[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Thu Oct 1 16:09:30 EDT 2020
We all have had days like that. No worry as long as it is just the titles
that are missing.
My problem is that I know exactly where my boat is AND I AM NOT ON IT often
enough.
Check your Dept of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent) for lost title
replacements.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
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Thompson
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What an Idiot I am, I missed out the most important item. It's the titles I
am missing...
Tommy
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HI Everyone,
For the life of me, I can't find my boat/trailer. Does the home
office/facility keep copies?
Tommy
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman)
2. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule)
3. Re: Newbie question 1 (stan)
4. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews)
5. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman)
6. Re: Newbie question 1 (Ric Stott)
7. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews)
8. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mitch Mitchell)
9. Re: Newbie questions (Peter Nyberg)
10. Re: Newbie questions (Matt Berman)
11. Re: Newbie questions (Frank Goldsmith)
12. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark)
13. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule)
14. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman)
15. Re: Newbie question 1 (Gmorganflier)
16. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark)
17. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman)
18. Re: JIB Furling Line (Joe Dempsey)
19. Re: Newbie question 1 (Joe Dempsey)
20. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman)
21. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mary Lou Troy)
22. Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76)
23. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Rick Lange)
24. Re: Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76)
25. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Lowe, Rob)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:47:31 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
Message-ID: <DE43CB21-035E-4C6B-8D08-65F7B280645D at mattmail.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette.
Or do you just stick them under the seats?
Thanks,
--Matt
s/v Pantalaimon
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule
<tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube.
>
> I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This
is
> my first sailboat in 25 years.
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>
>> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a
>> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have
sailed.
>> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly
>> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may
be
>> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the
>> cabin, but, even so ...
>>
>> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing
>> the Rhodes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
Message-ID:
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Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets.
The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does
spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have
the captain. Seats.
Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1
rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something
wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then
things are very easy again.
Hth,
Tom
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
> Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the
> lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Matt
> s/v Pantalaimon
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube.
> >
> > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This
> is
> > my first sailboat in 25 years.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
> >
> >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has
> a
> >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have
> sailed.
> >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly
> >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it
> may be
> >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the
> >> cabin, but, even so ...
> >>
> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while
> sailing
> >> the Rhodes?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Matt,
We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes
recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than
is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we
have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so
far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of
satisfaction, only your annoying issues.
The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases
of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or
alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from
General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not,
GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions.
Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here:
One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take
advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled
category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new
recycled Rhodes.
The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone
purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his
or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of
this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we
will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice.
Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I
thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am
I mistaken.
The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on
this boat.
stan
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400
From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right
Headsail for Your Sailboat.
Scott A.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Matt:
>
> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am
> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go
> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come
> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a
> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center
> shrouds.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this
>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a
>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed.
Here's
>> the first:
>>
>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could
>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary
>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and
>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing.
>>
>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that
the
>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on
it
>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and
sawing
>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go.
>>
>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to
>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try
a
>> jibe.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE at mattmail.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Dear Stan,
I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my
intention.
I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the
Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with
many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have
support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of
owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum
where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought
that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and
will in future direct my questions to you privately.
For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you.
My sincere apologies,
--Matt
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>
> Matt,
>
> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes
recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is
normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been
bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly
suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your
annoying issues.
>
> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of
used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations
made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats
where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the
more logical source for addressing initial questions.
>
> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here:
> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take
advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled
category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new
recycled Rhodes.
> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing
a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we
take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are
not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit
and take the boat back without prejudice.
>
> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought
we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken.
> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on
this boat.
>
> stan
>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400
From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID:
<96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69 at stottarchitecture.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate.
I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers
roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle.
I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without
complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the
conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - -
But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a
continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the
Genoa.
I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be
overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds
up to 20 kts.
My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then
choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and
sail plan.
Ric sv Dadventure
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>
> ?I'll give backfilling a try next time.
>
> I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before
each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line
and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also
some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs.
clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an
ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for
the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Matt
>
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule
<tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down.
>>
>> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled.
>> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works.
>> Ymmv of course.
>> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front
>> cabin stay.
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems
>>> like a pretty serious one.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then
>>> release it so it comes across faster.
>>>>
>>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr.
>>>> Director of Music
>>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL
>>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>>>> ________________________________
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400
From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense
and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right
Headsail for Your Sailboat.
> Scott A.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Matt:
>>
>> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am
>> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to
go
>> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come
>> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a
>> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center
>> shrouds.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Shawn
>> s/v Sweet Baboo
>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22
this
>>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a
>>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed.
Here's
>>> the first:
>>>
>>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could
>>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary
>>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and
>>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing.
>>>
>>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that
the
>>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on
it
>>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and
sawing
>>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go.
>>>
>>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to
>>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even
try a
>>> jibe.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400
From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID:
<CAFTyJNWApaRT3NjA4aFEizfM7e-96st+rjg8YT+hUp6ynOGxhA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would
like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and
turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it
centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks!
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense
> and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right
> Headsail for Your Sailboat.
> > Scott A.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi Matt:
> >>
> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am
> >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to
> go
> >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it
> come
> >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a
> >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center
> >> shrouds.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Shawn
> >> s/v Sweet Baboo
> >>
> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22
> this
> >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a
> >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed.
> Here's
> >>> the first:
> >>>
> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it
could
> >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor,
momentary
> >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and
> >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing.
> >>>
> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that
> the
> >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing
> on it
> >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and
> sawing
> >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go.
> >>>
> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa
> to
> >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even
> try a
> >>> jibe.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> --Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions
Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3 at sunnybeeches.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Matt,
No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you
may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List
rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing,
are are free to submit questions to the List.
To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a
?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of
people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about
buying a Rhodes 22.
So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard.
Out of curiosity, where do you sail?
Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Stan,
>
> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not
my intention.
>
> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the
Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with
many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have
support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of
owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum
where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought
that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and
will in future direct my questions to you privately.
>
> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to
you.
>
> My sincere apologies,
>
> --Matt
>
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes
recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is
normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been
bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly
suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your
annoying issues.
>>
>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of
used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations
made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats
where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the
more logical source for addressing initial questions.
>>
>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here:
>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take
advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled
category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new
recycled Rhodes.
>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing
a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we
take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are
not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit
and take the boat back without prejudice.
>>
>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I
thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I
mistaken.
>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on
this boat.
>>
>> stan
>>
>
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions
Message-ID: <D41348CB-9B93-42A4-B892-09B29F0C6C20 at mattmail.net>
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I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome!
--Matt
s/v Pantalaimon
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much
you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List
rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing,
are are free to submit questions to the List.
>
> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not
a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection
of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking
about buying a Rhodes 22.
>
> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard.
>
> Out of curiosity, where do you sail?
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Stan,
>>
>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not
my intention.
>>
>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the
Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with
many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have
support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of
owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum
where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought
that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and
will in future direct my questions to you privately.
>>
>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to
you.
>>
>> My sincere apologies,
>>
>> --Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes
recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is
normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been
bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly
suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your
annoying issues.
>>>
>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases
of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations
made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats
where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the
more logical source for addressing initial questions.
>>>
>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here:
>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take
advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled
category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new
recycled Rhodes.
>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone
purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or
her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is
that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return
your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice.
>>>
>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I
thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I
mistaken.
>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on
this boat.
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
>>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400
From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions
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Hi, Matt,
Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville
area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to
tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it
backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib
sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to
put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them.
(I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll
probably put them back on.
Frank
Frank Goldsmith
Fairview, NC
S/V ?Mary Bess?
Lake Keowee, SC
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>
> I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome!
>
>
> --Matt
> s/v Pantalaimon
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much
you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List
rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing,
are are free to submit questions to the List.
>>
>> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s
not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a
collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are
thinking about buying a Rhodes 22.
>>
>> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, where do you sail?
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Stan,
>>>
>>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not
my intention.
>>>
>>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the
Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with
many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have
support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of
owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum
where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought
that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and
will in future direct my questions to you privately.
>>>
>>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to
you.
>>>
>>> My sincere apologies,
>>>
>>> --Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt,
>>>>
>>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes
recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is
normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been
bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly
suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your
annoying issues.
>>>>
>>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases
of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations
made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats
where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the
more logical source for addressing initial questions.
>>>>
>>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here:
>>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take
advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled
category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new
recycled Rhodes.
>>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone
purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or
her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is
that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return
your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice.
>>>>
>>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I
thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I
mistaken.
>>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on
this boat.
>>>>
>>>> stan
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
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What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone.
My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running
downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in
the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom
height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the
lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally
keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair.
The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross
cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I
tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I
found myself not bothering to cross cleat.
The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the
side of the cabin.
The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side.
The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom.
My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and
looped over itself on the pushpit.
Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I
never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used
to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or
single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss
the extra sail area.
Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady)
wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to
the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess
outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a
starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will
pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the
starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl
the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off.
Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the
motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time
the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina.
Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website.
-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
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Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down
for chasing you with a camera.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone.
>
> My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position
> running
> downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in
> the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom
> height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the
> lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally
> keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's
> chair.
>
> The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross
> cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long
> I
> tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I
> found myself not bothering to cross cleat.
>
> The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the
> side of the cabin.
>
> The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side.
>
> The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom.
>
> My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled
> and
> looped over itself on the pushpit.
>
> Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate.
I
> never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used
> to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or
> single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't
> miss
> the extra sail area.
>
>
> Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady)
> wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to
> the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess
> outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a
> starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will
> pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the
> starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl
> the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall
> off.
> Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the
> motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time
> the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina.
> Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
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Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great.
--Matt
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone.
>
> My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position
running
> downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in
> the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom
> height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the
> lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally
> keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's
chair.
>
> The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross
> cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long
I
> tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I
> found myself not bothering to cross cleat.
>
> The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the
> side of the cabin.
>
> The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side.
>
> The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom.
>
> My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled
and
> looped over itself on the pushpit.
>
> Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate.
I
> never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used
> to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or
> single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't
miss
> the extra sail area.
>
>
> Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady)
> wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to
> the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess
> outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a
> starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will
> pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the
> starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl
> the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall
off.
> Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the
> motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time
> the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina.
> Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
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Welcome to the list Matt,
I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been
out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big
genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then
that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit.
I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses
pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1?
diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4?
pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big
enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex
and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with
the shroud wire and it?s threaded end.
The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some
slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I
used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I
used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc.
The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning.
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005
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D9134D9460.png>
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2
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My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I
described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning
ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the
inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize
sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard
encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier
winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I
enjoyed a sunset lap.
I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I
wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and
another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed
in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock
just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened
around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where
he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a
quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a
couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed
my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was
happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely
made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk
compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained
well clear of other traffic.
-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <C45D2849-3D6C-4FFC-BA23-BF1BBC2BE92C at mattmail.net>
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Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics.
--Matt
> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Welcome to the list Matt,
>
> I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been
> out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big
> genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then
> that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit.
>
> I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition
uses
> pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1?
> diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4?
> pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big
> enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4?
pex
> and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with
> the shroud wire and it?s threaded end.
>
> The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some
> slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I
> used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then
I
> used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc.
>
> The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning.
>
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005
>
>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/DE71CBA5-15A8-4CFD-9365-C9
D9134D9460.png>
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line
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Peter,
Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I
read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a
1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow
the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I
really do dislike the small furler lines.
-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST)
From: Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
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Matt,
I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the
Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light
air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had
mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the
PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait
for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if
not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this
helps.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Respite_After_Launch_Sprin
g_2018.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Departing_Fl_R_8_Outbound.
jpg>
-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400
From: Matt Berman <matt at mattmail.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64 at mattmail.net>
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Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with
backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to
work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so.
Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that.
Thanks,
--Matt
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>
> Matt,
> I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the
> Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light
> air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I
had
> mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained
the
> PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait
> for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if
> not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this
> helps.
>
>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Respite_After_Launch_Sprin
g_2018.jpg>
>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Departing_Fl_R_8_Outbound.
jpg>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Joe Dempsey
> s/v Respite
> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> Deltaville,VA
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1
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For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check
frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's
particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or
damp salt air.
When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the
shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the
bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between
the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A
few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the
end of the season.
Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote:
> Welcome to the list Matt,
>
> I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been
> out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big
> genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then
> that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit.
>
> I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition
uses
> pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1?
> diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4?
> pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big
> enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4?
pex
> and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with
> the shroud wire and it?s threaded end.
>
> The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some
> slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I
> used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then
I
> used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc.
>
> The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning.
>
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005
>
>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/DE71CBA5-15A8-4CFD-9365-C9
D9134D9460.png>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST)
From: NewIn76 <bferguson at jcu.edu>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects
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All,
The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What
makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging
on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s?
I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to
figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience.
Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system.
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Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400
From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
To: NewIn76 <bferguson at jcu.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects
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Hi Brian,
Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail
along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway.
Regards,
Rick Lange
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> All,
> The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler.
What
> makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet
> rigging
> on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina
> 22s?
> I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying
to
> figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience.
>
> Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system.
>
>
>
> -----
> Brian
> 1976 Rhodes 22
> Cleveland
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST)
From: NewIn76 <bferguson at jcu.edu>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects
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I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum
bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a
Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get
an idea of why I need a traveler.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t918/Traveler_pic.jpg>
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Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: NewIn76 <bferguson at jcu.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects
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Brain,
Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this
before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler.
- rob
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects
I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum
bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a
Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get
an idea of why I need a traveler.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t918/Traveler_pic.jpg>
-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
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