[Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System

[Jesse Shumaker]

Chris, just curious if you ended up using a seat belt for the motor lift
overhaul vs. a trailer winch strap and how that worked out.  It would be
good to know for future reference in case I need to replace mine some day.

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:10 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I’ll keep you all posted
>
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 21:08, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, I don't know about the seat belts, but I can confirm that the winch
> > strap that I used as a replacement on my trailer had a loop sewn in.  The
> > one I got for my trailer was $20, with a working load of 3300 lbs... more
> > than enough to handle the tension of a 100 lb motor.  Given the flurry of
> > activity on this list, I'm sure everyone would like to hear how your
> > project turns out.  Good luck!
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:48 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > capital Idea.  But I'll need the loop on one sewn in.  Do seat belts
> have
> > > that loop I wonder.
> > > Chris G
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:07 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by
> the
> > > > local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap
> > > > selection there.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Jesse,
> > > > > Thanks for the lead. I’ll check it out. I am also following one for
> > > seat
> > > > > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy.
> > > > > Chris G
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker <
> > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob.  Upon further
> > > > inspection I
> > > > > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you
> > > > > mentioned
> > > > > > - much better than cutting the webbing!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch
> > strap
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the
> trailer
> > > to
> > > > > pull
> > > > > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a
> > > replacement
> > > > > > part.  I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of
> my
> > > > > trailer
> > > > > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting
> from
> > > the
> > > > > bow
> > > > > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and
> slide
> > > > effort
> > > > > > to move the boat forward.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > S/V Zephyr
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it
> allows
> > > the
> > > > > > winch
> > > > > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve
> cutting
> > > the
> > > > > > > webbing.  Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement,
> it
> > > has
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the
> > pull
> > > > > > > through.  Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red
> > Rhodes
> > > > > file.
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > > > > Enosis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up
> > > late
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or
> > > > replace
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > winch.  Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this
> thread,
> > > I'm
> > > > > > glad I
> > > > > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch.  My
> back
> > > > gives
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8
> Tohatsu
> > > is
> > > > no
> > > > > > > > feather) could be problematic.  Also, it's best if my wife is
> > > > > > comfortable
> > > > > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a
> motor
> > > that
> > > > > > > weighs
> > > > > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be
> > > > feasible
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > her.  Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced
> it
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes.  That
> > > > project
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > summarized at
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the
> motor,
> > I
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > run
> > > > > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to
> > the
> > > > port
> > > > > > > winch
> > > > > > > > like Mike mentioned.  After getting that tensioned I could
> cut
> > > the
> > > > > belt
> > > > > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor
> > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > with the spare line.  Raising would be the same technique,
> only
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > not require cutting of the belt.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the
> way
> > > > down,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that
> > > > helps.
> > > > > > > All I
> > > > > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down
> if
> > it
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > stuck.  It never seems to be an issue on the way up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier <
> > > > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our
> > > manual
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > system. Please post some photos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra
> > resistance
> > > > and
> > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom
> or
> > > top
> > > > > > > stops,
> > > > > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it
> > > side
> > > > to
> > > > > > > side
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > there’s a lot of movement. There was even more when I
> bought
> > > the
> > > > > boat
> > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the
> slop.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on
> the
> > > > bottom
> > > > > > > tube.
> > > > > > > > > Maybe it’s not centered and it’s not pulling the motor up
> > > > straight
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it’s cocking the
> > > engine
> > > > > at
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I’ll
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > experiment with this.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > George Morgan
> > > > > > > > >
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