[Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation

[Curtis Ruck]

I now have two bilge pumps.  One in stern locker and one in the actual
bilge.  The stern locker is for when it sits on the slopes shore parking
area, under trees that continually clog the cockpit drains and the water
then overflows into the stern locker.

The bilge one is to pump out the 1" of additional water I took on while
sailing for 4 hours.  Based on what I can tell, the water is a slow straw's
worth of water coming in from under the cockpit somewhere, when sitting
flat in the water.  It is not coming from the stern locker either, nor any
of the through hulls in the stern.  The centerboard cap is also sealed and
dry.

Of related interesting note, I accidentally put a loop in my bilge lines,
because I hadn't found a good check valve yet.  This thread makes me
realize my loops are probably better than a check valve.

This does ensure I will probably never stay out overnight or keep the boat
slipped...

- Curtis
s/v Ruck It - 1978

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 22:14 Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure.
>
> Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal.  It’s probably
> the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have not
> also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat.
>
> As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a
> Rhodes 22.  In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while it
> is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day.
> Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with a
> sponge, or you’ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, and
> then the boat sinks anyway.
>
> As to the halyard, I’ve been bitten by this myself.  In my case it was to
> starboard as well.  Maybe moving it to port would be better.  What I did
> was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck
> mounted block out towards the hand rail.  Since that repositioning, I’ve
> never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> >
> > Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears
> that
> > someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You
> might
> > ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose
> > without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before
> I
> > bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem
> when
> > you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I
> > originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to
> > physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone)
> because
> > mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above
> > the waterline, but read on.
> >
> > The rest of the story:
> >
> > Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in
> Manhattan,
> > and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and
> > we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A
> > good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail
> > "thrilling" moments.
> >
> > Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts
> > under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over
> about
> > 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under
> power.
> > There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We
> > would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed
> > that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water
> in
> > the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time.
> >
> > While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I
> > wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard
> to
> > roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the
> problem
> > until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I
> have
> > for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in
> > half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose
> > enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to
> > try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's
> > pretty taught.
> >
> > When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the
> > cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was
> still
> > struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants
> > secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a
> > flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to
> keep
> > clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while
> we
> > were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of
> > the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife
> on
> > Cape Cod (I know, such problems).
> >
> > My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or
> > more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in
> > through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the
> > waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't
> the
> > person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end
> > up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little
> > more urgent.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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