[Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Tue Sep 15 09:48:27 EDT 2020

Graham,

I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom scale under the tongue jack.

Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on tongue weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom.  Just this one change would get you pretty close to where you should be.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Roger:
I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see what
the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor and
trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at least
320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me.

If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others if
they post it to da list.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca

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ROGER PIHLAJA
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Graham,

Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting
your bunks need to be moved forward.  It doesn't need to be much, probably
only a couple of inches.  By any chance, could you move the bunk supports
from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side?  If the
bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you
will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the
bunks forward.  The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of
the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability.  Your trailer is
way short of that.  My wife won't let me have the excitement of having the
boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway!

Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing
the outboard and stowing it on the tongue.  You could always tow with a full
water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the
V-berth.  But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging
and unrigging.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems
that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

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Graham Stewart
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I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently
forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow
eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I
can't pull the boat in all the way.

After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up
putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain
on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the
winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also
weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be
heavier that 140 lbs.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

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Lowe, Rob
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM
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Tom,
First off, sorry about your mishaps.   I've done the same thing sort of.
Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one.

Your need to get the support welded.  Make sure they weld it at the same
angle as it was.  I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine
made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards.
I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would
fit.

Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom.
Leave your centerboard down when retrieving.  The centerboard will help
guide the boat into position on the trailer.  Once centered and winched in ,
PULL THE BOARD BACK UP.  Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for
me.

Rob

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Van Heule
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our
boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the
aft port window centered above the axle.  Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the
back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle.

Now see where the aft port is related to the axle.
We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better.

You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then?
We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :(

Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a
lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive.

I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch
full retracted worked perfect.
Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor
pull...

Hope everyone had a great weekend.
Tom
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