[Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Thu Sep 17 07:28:11 EDT 2020

Tom,
       The custom job, was pretty primitive.  It's been 4 years but as I
recall, I put a small plywood triangle "deck on the frame near the winch
and using some "U" bolts attacked a cross piece of 2 X 4 to clamp the
engine.  Then a lot of line wrapped around the motor and the vertical part
of the trailer as an extra measure.  Since I would only use this for the
longer trips, it wasn't very convenient for day sailing.  I am sure a more
efficient method could be designed using the plywood "DECK" and some sort
of clamp.

Chris G
Enosis

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:34 AM Thomas s <talmorin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> How did you mount the motor on the tongue?
> Did you build some kind of a custom attachment?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
> S/V Just Bent
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:43 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
>
> I've towed my 2nd Rhodes from east coast to west coast then in and out of
> the Cascades several times a year, towed up to Canada several times from
> Oregon, and down to Mexico several times then back to the East coast.
> Definitely you need a minimum of 10% tongue weight.  I towed with more as
> my boat was full of VIC ( very important crap).  I always took the motor
> off and usually on all the long hauls, I mounted it up on the tongue
> upright and the rudder flat on the frame by the tongue.  Never had a
> problem in all that time.  I towed with a 6cyl F150 and Switched to an F250
> 6 litre diesel which was a dream.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob, thanks for the info.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Jesse,
> > > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow
> > > package rated at 5,000 pounds.  It's adequate. - Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > >
> > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing?
> > > What kind of engine / trim level do you have?  Eventually I may get a
> > used
> > > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates.  We
> > live
> > > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand
> Cherokee
> > > would probably fit better than a truck.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > S/V Zephyr
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone.
> > > >
> > > >  I wonder about the track geometry.  My trailer has a wider track
> than
> > > the
> > > > grand cherokee.  After about 55 I get some wagging.   But from the
> 10%
> > > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my
> great
> > > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the
> > > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited ,
> > > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the
> > > > outboard as the connections stand.
> > > >
> > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the
> > > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a
> cold
> > > > galvanized paint.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan’s
> next
> > > > month
> > > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven’t done any highway towing
> > > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds.
> > > Thanks all.
> > > > > Scott A.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital
> > > > > > bathroom
> > > > > scale under the tongue jack.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase
> on
> > > > tongue
> > > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom.  Just this one
> > > > change
> > > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for
> > > > > Windows 10
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM
> > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roger:
> > > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again
> > > > > > to see
> > > > > what
> > > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22,
> > > > > > motor
> > > > > and
> > > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be
> > > > > > at
> > > > > least
> > > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and
> > > > others
> > > > > if
> > > > > > they post it to da list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> On
> > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM
> > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with
> > > > suggesting
> > > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward.  It doesn't need to be much,
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > only a couple of inches.  By any chance, could you move the bunk
> > > > supports
> > > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side?
> > > > > > If
> > > > the
> > > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers;
> > > > > > then,
> > > > > you
> > > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to
> > > > > > move the bunks forward.  The general rule of thumb is that you
> > > > > > should have =>
> > > > 10%
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability.  Your
> > > > trailer
> > > > > is
> > > > > > way short of that.  My wife won't let me have the excitement of
> > > > > > having
> > > > > the
> > > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern,
> > > > > > like
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue.  You could always tow
> > > > > > with a
> > > > > full
> > > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to
> > > > > > the V-berth.  But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA
> > > > > > factor to
> > > > > rigging
> > > > > > and unrigging.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for
> > > > > Windows
> > > > > > 10
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian
> it
> > > > seems
> > > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I
> > thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > > > > Kingston Ontario
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> On
> > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM
> > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat
> > > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at
> > > > > > the launch ramp the
> > > > > bow
> > > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As
> a
> > > > > result I
> > > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow
> > > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I
> > > > > > relieve the
> > > > > strain
> > > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a
> > > > > > picture of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it
> > > > > > here. I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think
> it
> > > > > should be
> > > > > > heavier that 140 lbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > > > > Kingston Ontario
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> On
> > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > Lowe, Rob
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM
> > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps.   I've done the same thing
> > sort
> > > > of.
> > > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your need to get the support welded.  Make sure they weld it at
> > > > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > angle as it was.  I think they angle out a bit and the guy who
> > > > > > welded
> > > > > mine
> > > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between
> > > > > > the
> > > > > boards.
> > > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the
> > > > > > keel
> > > > > would
> > > > > > fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared
> > > > > > this
> > > > > wisdom.
> > > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving.  The centerboard
> will
> > > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer.  Once centered
> > > > > > and winched
> > > > > in ,
> > > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP.  Does anyone else do it this way? It sure
> > > > > > works
> > > > > for
> > > > > > me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
> Behalf
> > > > > > Of
> > > > > Tom
> > > > > > Van Heule
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM
> > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and
> > > > launching
> > > > > our
> > > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge
> > > > > > weight,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > aft port window centered above the axle.  Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke
> > > > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit.
> > > > > > Single
> > > > > axle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle.
> > > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly
> > better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then?
> > > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > see a
> > > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem
> > > > crotch
> > > > > > full retracted worked perfect.
> > > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not
> a
> > > > > tractor
> > > > > > pull...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend.
> > > > > > Tom
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