From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 23:18:08 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Mike McKay)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 20:18:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under seat storage
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Thanks Chris!



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From retro53 at msn.com  Fri Apr  2 20:25:28 2021
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under seat storage
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Hi Mike,
I installed a set of retaining bars, and they've worked well so far. Just some PVC boards and SS screws.  The PVC is flexible enough to take the curve of the cockpit floor.  I ended up putting a quick release pin through each end to keep the bar in place. Here's a few pictures:
John



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Thanks Chris!



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From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Apr  2 21:25:35 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 21:25:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself. 

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
> 
> Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
>                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
> 
> All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
> 
> 
> *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> **
> **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> simple adjustment.**
> **
> **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> the 'GB'.**
> **
> **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> Rhodes in place of our current system.
> **
> **thanks,
> 
> stan
> 
> ***
>> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> Rick,
>> 
>> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Roger,
>>> 
>>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
>>> ends tied together.
>>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Lange
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Rick,
>>>> 
>>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
>>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
>>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
>>>> response.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
>>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
>>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Apr  3 07:24:29 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:24:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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Hi Tom,

I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System

I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself.

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
>
> Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
>                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
>
> All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
>
>
> *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> **
> **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> simple adjustment.**
> **
> **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com%3chttp:/www.rhodes22parts.com>>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> the 'GB'.**
> **
> **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> Rhodes in place of our current system.
> **
> **thanks,
>
> stan
>
> ***
>> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> Rick,
>>
>> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Roger,
>>>
>>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
>>> ends tied together.
>>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Lange
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
>>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
>>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
>>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
>>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 07:41:34 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 04:41:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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The boat is in my driveway with the mast raised and I am still messing around
with the GB traveler. The 3/16" line that came with the boat was too short
to loosen up the traveler, so I used some hardware store line to play around
with. Even with plenty of slack in the line the traveler still seems kind of
stiff. 
The 5 to 1 ratio on the line is good for friction, but overkill (?) for
hauling the sail to weather. It also might make dumping slow. I realize that
a little ease can go a long way in righting the boat. So I'm going to try
rigging with a 3 to 1 purchase, but I would have to add a clam cleat to each
end to avoid slippage. 
After some on the water experience, I'll report back. 



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Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 08:49:19 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 08:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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The lines are really long, and will be a mess in the cockpit, but it will still be better than the old jam cleats that I always had a hard time with. I use the traveler a lot.  I?ll let you know. 

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:24 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Tom,
>  
> I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
>  
> I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself. 
> 
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Hi All,
> > 
> > The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
> > 
> > Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> > 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> > 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> > 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> > 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> > 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> > Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
> >                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
> > 
> > All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> > 
> > From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
> > 
> > 
> > *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> > operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> > car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> > **
> > **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> > control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> > simple adjustment.**
> > **
> > **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> > <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> > the 'GB'.**
> > **
> > **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> > questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> > purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> > "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> > you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> > its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> > very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> > it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> > Rhodes in place of our current system.
> > **
> > **thanks,
> > 
> > stan
> > 
> > ***
> >> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >> Rick,
> >> 
> >> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
> >> 
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> ?Roger,
> >>> 
> >>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
> >>> ends tied together.
> >>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Rick Lange
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>> 
> >>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
> >>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
> >>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
> >>>> response.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
> >>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
> >>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> >>>> Windows 10
> >>>> 
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From allynb at adsne.com  Sat Apr  3 09:21:33 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
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Thanks for the responses and information, and I?ll work through the calculations today. 

I?ve found some pictures and videos, and the one on YouTube where Peter picked up his boat was very insightful. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:25 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Allyn,
> 
> OK, I?m going to put on my engineer?s hat and do a safe load calculation for you.
> 
> Assumptions:
> 
>  1.  Model the tube as if we were buckling a theoretical column with the bottom end fixed and the top end free to move out of column
>  2.  The column can buckle in any direction
>  3.  D = 2.00 inch, t = 0.125 inch, L = 6.00 feet = 72.0 inch, [Pi] = 3.14159
>  4.  The MOC is 6061-T6 Al Alloy     [Modulus of Elasticity] = E = 10000 ksi = 10000000 psi
>  5.  [Safety Factor] = 3.0
>  6.  [Moment Of Inertia] For A Tube = Ix = Iy = ([Pi] / 64) * (([D] ^ 4 ? ([D] ? (2 * t) ^ 4)) = 0.3250 inch ^ 4
>  7.  Mast is moved slowly, so dynamic loads don?t need to be considered
> 
> With all these assumptions, the [Critical Axial Compressive Load] = [Pcr] = [Pi] ^ 2 * E * I / (4 * (L ^ 2)) = 1547 lbs
> 
> [Psafe] = [Pcr] / [Safety Factor] = 516 lbs in compression
> 
> You would need to do a statics calculation to determine the worst case compressive load on the column.  I don?t know your gin pole geometry, so I don?t have enough information to do that calculation.  My guess is, this is probably OK; but, its close enough that, I would do the calculation before I tried it.  Also, note that this is assuming failure by buckling under a pure compressive load.  If the aluminum tube moves out of column even a little; then, things will start to go crocked in a hurry!  I would want to see some sort of guy wires or a sacrificial assistant to hold the tube in column.
> 
> Hope this helps, good luck!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> From: Todd Tavares<mailto:tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:08 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> The .125 wall thickness aluminum tubes should be adequate if the diameter
> is large enough > 1.5 or so.
> Raising from the stern raised cradle using the GB mast raising system pole
> is much easier and less risky than raising from the bow using the boom as
> the gin pole.
> There are plenty of pictures of the GB mast raising system on the web and
> this list if you have the skill and desire to make a clone for yourself.
> The GB system uses a winch with friction brake, mounted to the top of the
> capitol mounted gin/crane pole. I use the trailer winch.
> I can post some pics if I can dig them up.
> 
> Todd T.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Allyn:
>> 
>> I assume that you have the standard mas. These older boats raise their
>> masts using the boom as you mentioned. I do that twice every year.
>> I have attached the manual for these older boats that explains, in Stan's
>> inimitable style, exactly how it is done.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:23 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
>> 
>> My boat, which was a tad over $2,000, didn?t come with a winch and cradle,
>> and genuine ones are most unfortunately out of my budget. I have access to
>> three 2? diameter x 6? length x .125? wall thickness aluminum tubes.
>> 
>> I have a question though. Is a 1/8? wall thickness adequate for the crane?
>> 
>> I?ve heard of people using their booms as gin poles to raise their masts,
>> so this is definitely thicker.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Allyn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Apr  3 09:44:39 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:44:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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Hi Tom,

What if you did a long splice on the traveler control lines?  Then, you?d have a continuous loop that wouldn?t make a mess in the cockpit.

By the way, besides the GP 29 Traveler, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a Harken 2-Speed Mainsheet System.  The attached .pdf file is a page from the Harken catalog illustrating the system.  Grab both lines and the mechanical advantage on the mainsheet tackle is 3:1 for quick response &/or light air.  Grab either line and the ratio is 6:1 for heavy air &/or fine trimming.  A long splice on the mainsheet enables the line to pass thru the blocks and minimizes mainsheet tangles/clutter in the cockpit.  I?ve used this system for ~15 years and its been quick, versatile, and bullet proof.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: THOMAS POLISE<mailto:tvpolise at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:49 AM
To: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System

The lines are really long, and will be a mess in the cockpit, but it will still be better than the old jam cleats that I always had a hard time with. I use the traveler a lot.  I?ll let you know.


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:24 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
?
Hi Tom,

I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System

I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself.

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
>
> Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
>                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
>
> All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
>
>
> *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> **
> **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> simple adjustment.**
> **
> **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com%3chttp:/www.rhodes22parts.com>>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> the 'GB'.**
> **
> **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> Rhodes in place of our current system.
> **
> **thanks,
>
> stan
>
> ***
>> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> Rick,
>>
>> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Roger,
>>>
>>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
>>> ends tied together.
>>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Lange
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
>>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
>>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
>>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
>>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 10:18:50 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:18:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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Thanks, Both great ideas!

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:44 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Tom,
>  
> What if you did a long splice on the traveler control lines?  Then, you?d have a continuous loop that wouldn?t make a mess in the cockpit.
>  
> By the way, besides the GP 29 Traveler, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a Harken 2-Speed Mainsheet System.  The attached .pdf file is a page from the Harken catalog illustrating the system.  Grab both lines and the mechanical advantage on the mainsheet tackle is 3:1 for quick response &/or light air.  Grab either line and the ratio is 6:1 for heavy air &/or fine trimming.  A long splice on the mainsheet enables the line to pass thru the blocks and minimizes mainsheet tangles/clutter in the cockpit.  I?ve used this system for ~15 years and its been quick, versatile, and bullet proof.
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE
> Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:49 AM
> To: ROGER PIHLAJA
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
>  
> The lines are really long, and will be a mess in the cockpit, but it will still be better than the old jam cleats that I always had a hard time with. I use the traveler a lot.  I?ll let you know. 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:24 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Tom,
>  
> I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
>  
> I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself. 
> 
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Hi All,
> > 
> > The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
> > 
> > Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> > 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> > 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> > 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> > 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> > 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> > Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
> >                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
> > 
> > All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> > 
> > From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
> > 
> > 
> > *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> > operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> > car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> > **
> > **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> > control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> > simple adjustment.**
> > **
> > **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> > <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> > the 'GB'.**
> > **
> > **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> > questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> > purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> > "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> > you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> > its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> > very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> > it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> > Rhodes in place of our current system.
> > **
> > **thanks,
> > 
> > stan
> > 
> > ***
> >> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >> Rick,
> >> 
> >> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
> >> 
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> ?Roger,
> >>> 
> >>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
> >>> ends tied together.
> >>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Rick Lange
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>> 
> >>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
> >>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
> >>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
> >>>> response.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
> >>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
> >>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> >>>> Windows 10
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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>  
>  
> <Harken 2-speed mainsheet systems.pdf>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 10:21:35 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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Are the mainsheet lines spliced together for a single loop?

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:44 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Tom,
>  
> What if you did a long splice on the traveler control lines?  Then, you?d have a continuous loop that wouldn?t make a mess in the cockpit.
>  
> By the way, besides the GP 29 Traveler, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a Harken 2-Speed Mainsheet System.  The attached .pdf file is a page from the Harken catalog illustrating the system.  Grab both lines and the mechanical advantage on the mainsheet tackle is 3:1 for quick response &/or light air.  Grab either line and the ratio is 6:1 for heavy air &/or fine trimming.  A long splice on the mainsheet enables the line to pass thru the blocks and minimizes mainsheet tangles/clutter in the cockpit.  I?ve used this system for ~15 years and its been quick, versatile, and bullet proof.
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE
> Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:49 AM
> To: ROGER PIHLAJA
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
>  
> The lines are really long, and will be a mess in the cockpit, but it will still be better than the old jam cleats that I always had a hard time with. I use the traveler a lot.  I?ll let you know. 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:24 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Tom,
>  
> I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
>  
> I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself. 
> 
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Hi All,
> > 
> > The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
> > 
> > Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> > 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> > 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> > 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> > 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> > 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> > Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> > Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
> >                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
> > 
> > All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> > 
> > From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
> > 
> > 
> > *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> > operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> > car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> > **
> > **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> > control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> > simple adjustment.**
> > **
> > **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> > <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> > the 'GB'.**
> > **
> > **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> > questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> > purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> > "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> > you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> > its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> > very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> > it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> > Rhodes in place of our current system.
> > **
> > **thanks,
> > 
> > stan
> > 
> > ***
> >> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >> Rick,
> >> 
> >> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
> >> 
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> ?Roger,
> >>> 
> >>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
> >>> ends tied together.
> >>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Rick Lange
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>> 
> >>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
> >>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
> >>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
> >>>> response.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
> >>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
> >>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> >>>> Windows 10
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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> 
>  
>  
> <Harken 2-speed mainsheet systems.pdf>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Apr  3 13:25:07 2021
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 17:25:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System
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Thomas,

I?ve done it both ways and I like it better with the long splice.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2021, at 10:21 AM, THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:

?
Are the mainsheet lines spliced together for a single loop?

On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:44 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

?
Hi Tom,

What if you did a long splice on the traveler control lines?  Then, you?d have a continuous loop that wouldn?t make a mess in the cockpit.

By the way, besides the GP 29 Traveler, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a Harken 2-Speed Mainsheet System.  The attached .pdf file is a page from the Harken catalog illustrating the system.  Grab both lines and the mechanical advantage on the mainsheet tackle is 3:1 for quick response &/or light air.  Grab either line and the ratio is 6:1 for heavy air &/or fine trimming.  A long splice on the mainsheet enables the line to pass thru the blocks and minimizes mainsheet tangles/clutter in the cockpit.  I?ve used this system for ~15 years and its been quick, versatile, and bullet proof.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: THOMAS POLISE<mailto:tvpolise at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:49 AM
To: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System

The lines are really long, and will be a mess in the cockpit, but it will still be better than the old jam cleats that I always had a hard time with. I use the traveler a lot.  I?ll let you know.


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:24 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
?
Hi Tom,

I just took a look on the Lewmar website.  If you got the NTR traveler car; then, the Lewmar system doesn?t look like a bad choice.  Although it won?t perform quite as well as a Harken Windward Sheeting System or a GB 29, it will be pretty close.  $450, if you got the NTR traveler car, is a pretty good price too.  Why the buyer?s remorse?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Estimated Cost Of A Harken Traveler System

I recently installed the Lewmar Size 1 mainsheet traveler kit for about $450.00.  I am getting ready to mount on backstays when I raise mast and I am already sorry I didn?t go with Stans system due to length of sheets, I didn?t trust the friction system.  Will let you all know how it works out but I?m already kicking myself.

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> The only other system I?m aware of that sort of matches the GB 29 Traveler is the Harken Windward Sheeting Traveler System.  For the sake of discussion, I have priced out the pieces/parts to build such a Harken system.  Note: This estimate assumes you have the old 2nd generation traveler so you can mount the Harken track onto the bar, have the mounting sockets on the backstays, and you have the necessary tools and skills to do the assembly yourself.
>
> Part No    # Reqd  Units   Description                                                                            Price/Unit    Total Price
> 2745             1        Each    Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car, 22 mm                     $575.75         $575.75
> 2740             1        Pair      Single Sheave Track End Controls, 22 mm                        $264.25         $264.25
> 2720.1.5M   1        Each    22 mm X 1.5 m Low-Beam Track                                          $97.60           $97.60
> 446                1       Pair      22 mm Low-Beam Line Sheading End Stop                         $13.20          $13.20
> 2722              1       Pair      22 mm Low Beam Track Trim Caps                                      $17.20           $17.20
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC X 1.25 316 SS, Flat Head Machine Screws       $0.54             $8.10
> Hardware    15      Each     #10-24UNC Barrel Nuts                                                            $1.40           $21.00
> Rope             20      Feet     5/16 Inch OD X 20 Ft Sta-Set Polyester Yacht Braid            $1.21           $24.20
>                                                                                  Total Not Including Tax, S&H, Or Assembly       $1021.30
>
> All of a sudden, Stan?s price of $495.00, fully assembled, for a GB 29 Traveler, starts to look pretty attractive!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: stan<mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Notice re the latest traveler system
>
>
> *Please note.  Re the new Rhodes traveler, which is a holistic designed
> operational system that functions in conjunction with the new outhaul
> car configuration and the proprietary cut IMF mainsail:**
> **
> **1.    Per attachment:  No knots.  No Cleats.  One simple continuous
> control line whose force needed to move it, is controllable with one
> simple adjustment.**
> **
> **2.    That the **_part number_**on the ROC parts site
> <www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com%3chttp:/www.rhodes22parts.com>>>  is  GB29  (there is no number or letter after
> the 'GB'.**
> **
> **If you purchased this version traveler from General Boats and have any
> questions, please contact me direct at <stan at generalboats.com>**  If you
> purchased your boat from another source that has had its traveler system
> "improved" by a prior owner, we are not in a position to be of help. If
> you have found another system, (i.e. Harken) that is*/less costly/*for
> its total needed parts and */simpler to install /and/handle/*, we would
> very much appreciate its part number and hearing your take on what makes
> it the better way to go, with an eye to using it with new and recycled
> Rhodes in place of our current system.
> **
> **thanks,
>
> stan
>
> ***
>> On 3/29/21 9:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> Rick,
>>
>> It?s hard to tell for sure from this photo.  But, I don?t think this is a GBI 29 Traveler.  My control lines don?t have any knots in them.  Do you have a close up picture of the traveler car?
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Roger,
>>>
>>> Here's some of it.  You can see a cleat and the knot of the control line
>>> ends tied together.
>>> [image: ATT00010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Lange
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> In all the dozens of posts in this thread, someone said they were busting
>>>> their knuckles on their traveler.  I don?t remember who.  I remember asking
>>>> what they were hitting their knuckles on.  I don?t think I ever got a
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post a picture of your traveler?  From your last post, it sounds
>>>> like you don?t have a GBI 29 Traveler.  Rather, you have a 2nd generation
>>>> traveler modified with cam cleats replacing the OEM standard jam cleats.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
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<Harken 2-speed mainsheet systems.pdf>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 15:33:15 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 12:33:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under seat storage
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Hi Mike,

My system may be more trouble than you want to go to, but it?s been working
for me.

I don?t know how to give you a link to my original post, but I posted my
design on July21, 2020. It?s basically an aluminum tube which slides up and
down in tracks and rests out of the way in notches at the top of the tracks. 

Here are a couple of photos. For more details you could go back to my post
back in July. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/AFF0E6B9-AD51-4175-8007-4154BB4E229A.jpeg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/2A78664E-A814-4B44-A6AE-F2334313B635.jpeg> 

George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Wacammaw NC



--
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 21:03:38 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
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Mark,
    I am game for a Rhodes gathering in the mid Atlantic area.  I was also
thinking about doing the Albemarle Loop this year.  Last did it about 6
years ago before the big fire in the Dismal Swamp.  Looking forward to
doing a series of short cruises on the Southern Chesapeake this year and a
lot of day sailing before the thunderstorms and heat set in.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Fairwinds 2  will cruise The  Albemarle Loop. then cruise up to Portsmouth
> Va. from Hertford Nc. for the Cock Island race, if They have it this year.
> It would be  nice to have R22 Fleet  Gathering in mid Atlantic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2021 9:47 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
>
> My cruising plan for this year is for week-long excursions on the coast of
> Maine launching from the public ramp in Rockland.
>
> There will be video.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Mar 28, 2021, at 6:12 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > Cmon man, we need more details than just one word!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?One word:  Maine!
> >>
> >> ?Peter
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:49 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> So, here we are on Palm Sunday, 2021.  What are everyone?s plans for a
> summer cruise?
> >>>
> >>
>
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 00:43:56 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 00:43:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
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I?m new to trailing, but would definitely be interested in a Chesapeake adventure. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mark,
>    I am game for a Rhodes gathering in the mid Atlantic area.  I was also
> thinking about doing the Albemarle Loop this year.  Last did it about 6
> years ago before the big fire in the Dismal Swamp.  Looking forward to
> doing a series of short cruises on the Southern Chesapeake this year and a
> lot of day sailing before the thunderstorms and heat set in.
> 
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Fairwinds 2  will cruise The  Albemarle Loop. then cruise up to Portsmouth
>> Va. from Hertford Nc. for the Cock Island race, if They have it this year.
>> It would be  nice to have R22 Fleet  Gathering in mid Atlantic
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2021 9:47 am
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
>> 
>> My cruising plan for this year is for week-long excursions on the coast of
>> Maine launching from the public ramp in Rockland.
>> 
>> There will be video.
>> 
>> ?Peter
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 6:12 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> Cmon man, we need more details than just one word!
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?One word:  Maine!
>>>> 
>>>> ?Peter
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:49 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here we are on Palm Sunday, 2021.  What are everyone?s plans for a
>> summer cruise?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Apr  5 01:32:02 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
Message-ID: <01ac01d729dd$024e5c00$06eb1400$@ebsmed.com>

Allyn,

My 1981 Rhodes never required a crane because I was twenty something and had a standard mast and main. My second Rhodes, a 1991 with IMF was quite a bit heavier, not to mention that I was forty years older. I decided to build my own mast crane and crutch because I was not happy with Stan's design which required a fixture forward of the mast to affix the crane. It was my choice to affix my crane close to the base of the mast, providing simpler mechanics and no permanent deck fixture.

I read about a design that used a wooden gin pole to raise a mast on a Catalina 22 (see mastraising.pdf attached). I was intrigued but I didn?t care to use wood for the gin pole. I purchased a 2"x2"x6' aluminum box tube for my gin pole. I machined the end to snuggly fit the curve of the front of the mast, added a nylon block with two dowel pins and drilled two holes in the mast, about 6" up the mast. This permitted a stable connection of the gin pole to the mast. I added two thin pieces of aluminum to anchor the gin pole to the mast, secured by the tabernacle mast bolt. The holes for these pieces were slotted to the edge so that the plates could be removed from the tabernacle bolt without removing the bolt. See attached image (Base of mast ...). I added a bidirectional winch and a pair of eyebolts to receive the forward baby stays to actually lift the mast. See attached image (Top of gin pole ...). Additional "helper" lines were added to keep the gin pole upright while setting up. Lines were tied to the side stays to permit "steering" the mast by varying the tension on the lines during raising or lowering, especially during windy days. See attached image (Ready to lift ...). Of course, to make the mechanical effort reasonable, a mast crutch was needed to raise the stern end of the mast. It was constructed out of 2" PVC pipe and fittings with a steel inner pipe for rigidity. The crutch simply straddles the stern while the weight of the mast is transferred to the rear cockpit area (rear of lazarette cover). The stern docklines are attached to the top of the crutch to prevent sideways movement. See the attached image (Mast crutch ...).

Before I tried my first lift, I computed the loads applied to all components, especially the winch line. The design and calculations are presented in the attached file mast_calc_PC.pdf. The loads should be similar to those in your design. The worst stresses are when you start lifting the mast or as you are close to the crutch when lowering. Be sure that the winch line is up to the task and is well secured to the bow deck cleat. The cleat must also be able to take the vertical load, not simply screwed into the deck with wood screws.

The design process is not for the faint of heart but the result is that one person can safely raise or lower the mast in a minute or two. A helper is always recommended in case lines snag or a problem occurs.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question

Thanks for the responses and information, and I?ll work through the calculations today. 

I?ve found some pictures and videos, and the one on YouTube where Peter picked up his boat was very insightful. 
 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Apr  5 01:32:26 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:32:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
Message-ID: <01b001d729dd$11207510$33615f30$@ebsmed.com>

Last two images didn't fit in the original email

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:26 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question

Allyn,

My 1981 Rhodes never required a crane because I was twenty something and had a standard mast and main. My second Rhodes, a 1991 with IMF was quite a bit heavier, not to mention that I was forty years older. I decided to build my own mast crane and crutch because I was not happy with Stan's design which required a fixture forward of the mast to affix the crane. It was my choice to affix my crane close to the base of the mast, providing simpler mechanics and no permanent deck fixture.

I read about a design that used a wooden gin pole to raise a mast on a Catalina 22 (see mastraising.pdf attached). I was intrigued but I didn?t care to use wood for the gin pole. I purchased a 2"x2"x6' aluminum box tube for my gin pole. I machined the end to snuggly fit the curve of the front of the mast, added a nylon block with two dowel pins and drilled two holes in the mast, about 6" up the mast. This permitted a stable connection of the gin pole to the mast. I added two thin pieces of aluminum to anchor the gin pole to the mast, secured by the tabernacle mast bolt. The holes for these pieces were slotted to the edge so that the plates could be removed from the tabernacle bolt without removing the bolt. See attached image (Base of mast ...). I added a bidirectional winch and a pair of eyebolts to receive the forward baby stays to actually lift the mast. See attached image (Top of gin pole ...). Additional "helper" lines were added to keep the gin pole upright while setting up. Lines were tied to the side stays to permit "steering" the mast by varying the tension on the lines during raising or lowering, especially during windy days. See attached image (Ready to lift ...). Of course, to make the mechanical effort reasonable, a mast crutch was needed to raise the stern end of the mast. It was constructed out of 2" PVC pipe and fittings with a steel inner pipe for rigidity. The crutch simply straddles the stern while the weight of the mast is transferred to the rear cockpit area (rear of lazarette cover). The stern docklines are attached to the top of the crutch to prevent sideways movement. See the attached image (Mast crutch ...).

Before I tried my first lift, I computed the loads applied to all components, especially the winch line. The design and calculations are presented in the attached file mast_calc_PC.pdf. The loads should be similar to those in your design. The worst stresses are when you start lifting the mast or as you are close to the crutch when lowering. Be sure that the winch line is up to the task and is well secured to the bow deck cleat. The cleat must also be able to take the vertical load, not simply screwed into the deck with wood screws.

The design process is not for the faint of heart but the result is that one person can safely raise or lower the mast in a minute or two. A helper is always recommended in case lines snag or a problem occurs.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question

Thanks for the responses and information, and I?ll work through the calculations today. 

I?ve found some pictures and videos, and the one on YouTube where Peter picked up his boat was very insightful. 
 
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 08:08:59 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 05:08:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
In-Reply-To: <C2890516-8580-402E-B4C6-A20785B86A11@gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920953765120E843A4D4259807F9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <8C4077B0-A764-47E1-AAB8-95124AE270A6@sunnybeeches.com>
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 <9D190611-A0E2-422C-B1F5-5C5E5BA95F9C@sunnybeeches.com>
 <306752139.850983.1617032857858@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CACSd1jJYd2sAFp6HOSH_K791U0mFLEx=tENPReGDTDkzDJ0bbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <C2890516-8580-402E-B4C6-A20785B86A11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1617624539600-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Also interested in Chesapeake adventure. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 08:16:21 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 05:16:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin top handrails leaking
Message-ID: <1617624981596-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The SS handrail bases have been chalked with butyl tape numerous times, but
continue to leak. I notice the bow pulpit has rubber(?) gaskets under each
base.
Has anyone successfully addressed the problem? 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Apr  5 11:19:26 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:19:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question
In-Reply-To: <01ac01d729dd$024e5c00$06eb1400$@ebsmed.com>
References: <01ac01d729dd$024e5c00$06eb1400$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698580B97501DEF05AF9320BC1779@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,
That's a pretty interesting set up.  Thanks for taking the time to explain and document your work.  I especially liked the calculations.  Several of the Catalinas at our marina use gin poles.  Nice to see one built for the Rhodes. - Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:32 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question

Allyn,

My 1981 Rhodes never required a crane because I was twenty something and had a standard mast and main. My second Rhodes, a 1991 with IMF was quite a bit heavier, not to mention that I was forty years older. I decided to build my own mast crane and crutch because I was not happy with Stan's design which required a fixture forward of the mast to affix the crane. It was my choice to affix my crane close to the base of the mast, providing simpler mechanics and no permanent deck fixture.

I read about a design that used a wooden gin pole to raise a mast on a Catalina 22 (see mastraising.pdf attached). I was intrigued but I didn?t care to use wood for the gin pole. I purchased a 2"x2"x6' aluminum box tube for my gin pole. I machined the end to snuggly fit the curve of the front of the mast, added a nylon block with two dowel pins and drilled two holes in the mast, about 6" up the mast. This permitted a stable connection of the gin pole to the mast. I added two thin pieces of aluminum to anchor the gin pole to the mast, secured by the tabernacle mast bolt. The holes for these pieces were slotted to the edge so that the plates could be removed from the tabernacle bolt without removing the bolt. See attached image (Base of mast ...). I added a bidirectional winch and a pair of eyebolts to receive the forward baby stays to actually lift the mast. See attached image (Top of gin pole ...). Additional "helper" lines were added to keep the gin pole upright while setting up. Lines were tied to the side stays to permit "steering" the mast by varying the tension on the lines during raising or lowering, especially during windy days. See attached image (Ready to lift ...). Of course, to make the mechanical effort reasonable, a mast crutch was needed to raise the stern end of the mast. It was constructed out of 2" PVC pipe and fittings with a steel inner pipe for rigidity. The crutch simply straddles the stern while the weight of the mast is transferred to the rear cockpit area (rear of lazarette cover). The stern docklines are attached to the top of the crutch to prevent sideways movement. See the attached image (Mast crutch ...).

Before I tried my first lift, I computed the loads applied to all components, especially the winch line. The design and calculations are presented in the attached file mast_calc_PC.pdf. The loads should be similar to those in your design. The worst stresses are when you start lifting the mast or as you are close to the crutch when lowering. Be sure that the winch line is up to the task and is well secured to the bow deck cleat. The cleat must also be able to take the vertical load, not simply screwed into the deck with wood screws.

The design process is not for the faint of heart but the result is that one person can safely raise or lower the mast in a minute or two. A helper is always recommended in case lines snag or a problem occurs.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crane question

Thanks for the responses and information, and I?ll work through the calculations today.

I?ve found some pictures and videos, and the one on YouTube where Peter picked up his boat was very insightful.

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From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Apr  5 15:20:55 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:20:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Summer 2021 Cruise Plans?
In-Reply-To: <1617624539600-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1617624539600-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <04E76340-40AB-4D83-8F95-A356C419BB7D@verizon.net>

I may be able to join a Chesapeake gathering.
Scott A.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:09 AM, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Also interested in Chesapeake adventure.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  7 16:01:27 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:01:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

A few years ago I bought from Stan (this was prior to non-Certificate holders being banned from doing business with General Boats). I shipped the motor cover for my Honda 4 Stoke to him, he attached the connection piece and shipped back the cover and the connector arm that I attached to my tiller head. It worked like a charm. A Great piece of engineering (like there would be anything else from Stan and General Boats).

Last year I got tired of the battle with that Honda, it would run good, but I couldn't get it to idle. Since I only sail on a smallish lake in Texas, I decided I didn't need very much horse power. I bought a Torquedo electric motor and LOVE it. Not too certain how much headway I can make into a strong wind, but I probably won't ever find out, I've become a pretty much fair weather sailor.

So now I am going to sell the Honda (unless you live in the DFW area of Texas, you don't really care) and the motor-tiller interconnector.  I don't really remember what I paid Stan for this beautiful engineering, but if you are interested, please send me a direct email at:   blue66corvette at hotmail.com  I am pretty certain we can strike a deal.

Charlie Nieman
s/v Daydream
98R22


From lucy.forrest at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 16:52:05 2021
From: lucy.forrest at gmail.com (Lucy)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7bjK-FwwZ_QXOixDMNSh2kMiiUt+wTOJdaOXw250kvA4b4pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charlie,

Congratulations on your Torqeedo!

You don?t mention what type of motor you bought, but you might consider
connecting it up to the tiller - we?ve managed to make it work for our
Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 RT, with a few modifications to Stan?s connector.

Lucy
s/v Steady State

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:01 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> A few years ago I bought from Stan (this was prior to non-Certificate
> holders being banned from doing business with General Boats). I shipped the
> motor cover for my Honda 4 Stoke to him, he attached the connection piece
> and shipped back the cover and the connector arm that I attached to my
> tiller head. It worked like a charm. A Great piece of engineering (like
> there would be anything else from Stan and General Boats).
>
> Last year I got tired of the battle with that Honda, it would run good,
> but I couldn't get it to idle. Since I only sail on a smallish lake in
> Texas, I decided I didn't need very much horse power. I bought a Torquedo
> electric motor and LOVE it. Not too certain how much headway I can make
> into a strong wind, but I probably won't ever find out, I've become a
> pretty much fair weather sailor.
>
> So now I am going to sell the Honda (unless you live in the DFW area of
> Texas, you don't really care) and the motor-tiller interconnector.  I don't
> really remember what I paid Stan for this beautiful engineering, but if you
> are interested, please send me a direct email at:
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com  I am pretty certain we can strike a deal.
>
> Charlie Nieman
> s/v Daydream
> 98R22
>
>

From cpg11566 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  7 17:37:56 2021
From: cpg11566 at yahoo.com (Charlie)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:37:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7bjK-FwwZ_QXOixDMNSh2kMiiUt+wTOJdaOXw250kvA4b4pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAJ7bjK-FwwZ_QXOixDMNSh2kMiiUt+wTOJdaOXw250kvA4b4pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E759A352-C5EE-4BEF-9CAC-DF9B56DC312F@yahoo.com>

Lucy
Could you sent a picture of the attachment to the Torqeedo
I?ll like to see that
Charlie G

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Lucy <lucy.forrest at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> Congratulations on your Torqeedo!
> 
> You don?t mention what type of motor you bought, but you might consider
> connecting it up to the tiller - we?ve managed to make it work for our
> Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 RT, with a few modifications to Stan?s connector.
> 
> Lucy
> s/v Steady State
> 
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:01 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> A few years ago I bought from Stan (this was prior to non-Certificate
>> holders being banned from doing business with General Boats). I shipped the
>> motor cover for my Honda 4 Stoke to him, he attached the connection piece
>> and shipped back the cover and the connector arm that I attached to my
>> tiller head. It worked like a charm. A Great piece of engineering (like
>> there would be anything else from Stan and General Boats).
>> 
>> Last year I got tired of the battle with that Honda, it would run good,
>> but I couldn't get it to idle. Since I only sail on a smallish lake in
>> Texas, I decided I didn't need very much horse power. I bought a Torquedo
>> electric motor and LOVE it. Not too certain how much headway I can make
>> into a strong wind, but I probably won't ever find out, I've become a
>> pretty much fair weather sailor.
>> 
>> So now I am going to sell the Honda (unless you live in the DFW area of
>> Texas, you don't really care) and the motor-tiller interconnector.  I don't
>> really remember what I paid Stan for this beautiful engineering, but if you
>> are interested, please send me a direct email at:
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com  I am pretty certain we can strike a deal.
>> 
>> Charlie Nieman
>> s/v Daydream
>> 98R22
>> 
>> 


From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  7 17:49:16 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:49:16 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7bjK-FwwZ_QXOixDMNSh2kMiiUt+wTOJdaOXw250kvA4b4pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CAJ7bjK-FwwZ_QXOixDMNSh2kMiiUt+wTOJdaOXw250kvA4b4pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB54387422927C5E10BA9953C2D9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Lucy
last year the motor you got was not available. I got the 1003. I had to remove the tiller control because when I lower it far enough to be in the water, the tiller is in a vertical position. I bought the remote controller and keep the motor lowered all the way. I don't really need to steer with the motor, the boat's tiller gives me more control than I used to have with the tiller linked with the gas outboard. Sounds like what you have works great for you and I am glad for that, but my set-up is all I need

so the interconnector is still for sale

Thanks
Charlie

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lucy <lucy.forrest at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector

Hi Charlie,

Congratulations on your Torqeedo!

You don?t mention what type of motor you bought, but you might consider
connecting it up to the tiller - we?ve managed to make it work for our
Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 RT, with a few modifications to Stan?s connector.

Lucy
s/v Steady State

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:01 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> A few years ago I bought from Stan (this was prior to non-Certificate
> holders being banned from doing business with General Boats). I shipped the
> motor cover for my Honda 4 Stoke to him, he attached the connection piece
> and shipped back the cover and the connector arm that I attached to my
> tiller head. It worked like a charm. A Great piece of engineering (like
> there would be anything else from Stan and General Boats).
>
> Last year I got tired of the battle with that Honda, it would run good,
> but I couldn't get it to idle. Since I only sail on a smallish lake in
> Texas, I decided I didn't need very much horse power. I bought a Torquedo
> electric motor and LOVE it. Not too certain how much headway I can make
> into a strong wind, but I probably won't ever find out, I've become a
> pretty much fair weather sailor.
>
> So now I am going to sell the Honda (unless you live in the DFW area of
> Texas, you don't really care) and the motor-tiller interconnector.  I don't
> really remember what I paid Stan for this beautiful engineering, but if you
> are interested, please send me a direct email at:
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com  I am pretty certain we can strike a deal.
>
> Charlie Nieman
> s/v Daydream
> 98R22
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Apr  8 11:04:55 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:04:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of April
	1, 2021
Message-ID: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>

I just came across some important information regarding boating safety and
the use of an ECOS (Engine Cut Off Switch). 

 

   "Effective April 1, 2021, the new law requires a vessel operator to use 

    either a helm or outboard lanyard or wireless ECOS on certain vessels 

    less than 26 feet when traveling on plane or above displacement speed. 

    These vessels include (1) boats that have a functioning engine cutoff 

    device installed at the helm or on an outboard engine or have wireless 

    ECOS, or (2) boats manufactured beginning January 2020. The Coast 

    Guard increased the number of boats required to have ECOS installed 

    after this date in an effort to reduce boating accidents and
fatalities."

 

   "Exceptions to the ECOS requirement include if the main helm of the 

    vessel is in an enclosed cabin or the vessel is not operating on plane 

    or at displacement speed. Low-speed activities such as fishing or 

    docking do not require use of an ECOS. The vessel operator is also 

    exempt if the boat's motor produces less than 115 lbs. of static thrust 

    - or about the size of a 2-hp engine."

 

The new regs require that if your boat was manufactured in 2020 or later
(does recycling count?), the boat/engine must be equipped with an ECOS and
the LANYARD MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE OPERATOR. This is a safety device in
case the operator is thrown from the craft to immediately stop the motor and
prevent prop injuries to the person(s) in the water. It makes sense from a
safety perspective.

 

Furthermore, according to the USCG (even if not required by date of
manufacture), "If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must be used."

 

For details, check out:

https://www.boatus.com/news-room/release/new-boat-engine-cutoff-switch-law-g
oes-into-e

 

or

https://uscgboating.org/recreational-boaters/engine-cut-off-switch-faq.php

 

The new rule started this month. Failure to obey the terms of the rule may
result in a civil penalty of $100.

 

My 2005 6 HP Yamaha has such a device. I need to engage the ECOS lanyard to
operate the engine. It is generally looped around the throttle when
underway. I mainly considered it a theft deterrent, like a key for an
ignition switch. It is kept in the locked cabin when we are not on the boat.
I do not attach the lanyard to me. As such, it would do little to minimize
risk in a situation in which I was thrown from the boat.

 

So, a review of the facts is as follows:

1.	Rhodes 22 - all manufactured before 2020 - no ECOS required.
2.	Rhodes 22 w/outboard maximum speed is 4 to 5 kts, less than 6 kt
displacement speed - no ECOS required. (hull speed or displacement speed
calculator for LWL=20',
https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/hull-speed-calcula
tor.php)
3.	2005 6HP Yamaha - If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must be
used.

 

Resolution:

I will attach the lanyard as often as possible when operating the engine,
especially while at maximum speed. If I need to go forward while under
power, I will designate an alternate helmsman who will attach the lanyard.
If I am single handling, I will engage my autopilot tiller control and
attach the lanyard to it.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Apr  8 11:38:26 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of
	April	1, 2021
In-Reply-To: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
References: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <02be01d72c8d$38726170$a9572450$@ebsmed.com>

Hopefully, this will be better formatted:

I just came across some important information regarding boating safety and
the use of an ECOS (Engine Cut Off Switch). 

   "Effective April 1, 2021, the new law requires a vessel operator to use 
    either a helm or outboard lanyard or wireless ECOS on certain vessels 
    less than 26 feet when traveling on plane or above displacement speed. 
    These vessels include (1) boats that have a functioning engine cutoff 
    device installed at the helm or on an outboard engine or have wireless 
    ECOS, or (2) boats manufactured beginning January 2020. The Coast 
    Guard increased the number of boats required to have ECOS installed 
    after this date in an effort to reduce boating accidents and
fatalities."

   "Exceptions to the ECOS requirement include if the main helm of the 
    vessel is in an enclosed cabin or the vessel is not operating on plane 
    or at displacement speed. Low-speed activities such as fishing or 
    docking do not require use of an ECOS. The vessel operator is also 
    exempt if the boat's motor produces less than 115 lbs. of static thrust 
    - or about the size of a 2-hp engine."

The new regs require that if your boat was manufactured in 2020 or later
(does recycling count?), the boat/engine must be equipped with an ECOS and
the LANYARD MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE OPERATOR. This is a safety device in
case the operator is thrown from the craft to immediately stop the motor and
prevent prop injuries to the person(s) in the water. It makes sense from a
safety perspective.

Furthermore, according to the USCG (even if not required by date of
manufacture), "If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must be used."

For details, check out:
https://www.boatus.com/news-room/release/new-boat-engine-cutoff-switch-law-g
oes-into-e

or
https://uscgboating.org/recreational-boaters/engine-cut-off-switch-faq.php

The new rule started this month. Failure to obey the terms of the rule may
result in a civil penalty of $100.

My 2005 6 HP Yamaha has such a device. I need to engage the ECOS lanyard to
operate the engine. It is generally looped around the throttle when
underway. I mainly considered it a theft deterrent, like a key for an
ignition switch. It is kept in the locked cabin when we are not on the boat.
I do not attach the lanyard to me. As such, it would do little to minimize
risk in a situation in which I was thrown from the boat.

So, a review of the facts is as follows:
1.	Rhodes 22 - all manufactured before 2020 - no ECOS required.
2.	Rhodes 22 w/outboard maximum speed is 4 to 5 kts, less than 6 kt
            displacement speed - no ECOS required. (hull speed or
displacement 
            speed calculator for LWL=20'
 
https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/hull-speed-calcula
tor.php)
3.	2005 6HP Yamaha - If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must be
used.

Resolution:
I will attach the lanyard as often as possible when operating the engine,
especially while at maximum speed. If I need to go forward while under
power, I will designate an alternate helmsman who will attach the lanyard.
If I am single handling, I will engage my autopilot tiller control and
attach the lanyard to it.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:05 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of April
1, 2021



From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 12:20:04 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:20:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of
 April 1, 2021
In-Reply-To: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
References: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36byjW+WB+DydGMnvPSAAxf1xEQ-xi5Ns51dQ6wnYsaS5Q@mail.gmail.com>

You have to add foils to get an r22 to plane.


Rick Lange

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021, 11:05 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> I just came across some important information regarding boating safety and
> the use of an ECOS (Engine Cut Off Switch).
>
>
>
>    "Effective April 1, 2021, the new law requires a vessel operator to use
>
>     either a helm or outboard lanyard or wireless ECOS on certain vessels
>
>     less than 26 feet when traveling on plane or above displacement speed.
>
>     These vessels include (1) boats that have a functioning engine cutoff
>
>     device installed at the helm or on an outboard engine or have wireless
>
>     ECOS, or (2) boats manufactured beginning January 2020. The Coast
>
>     Guard increased the number of boats required to have ECOS installed
>
>     after this date in an effort to reduce boating accidents and
> fatalities."
>
>
>
>    "Exceptions to the ECOS requirement include if the main helm of the
>
>     vessel is in an enclosed cabin or the vessel is not operating on plane
>
>     or at displacement speed. Low-speed activities such as fishing or
>
>     docking do not require use of an ECOS. The vessel operator is also
>
>     exempt if the boat's motor produces less than 115 lbs. of static
> thrust
>
>     - or about the size of a 2-hp engine."
>
>
>
> The new regs require that if your boat was manufactured in 2020 or later
> (does recycling count?), the boat/engine must be equipped with an ECOS and
> the LANYARD MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE OPERATOR. This is a safety device in
> case the operator is thrown from the craft to immediately stop the motor
> and
> prevent prop injuries to the person(s) in the water. It makes sense from a
> safety perspective.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, according to the USCG (even if not required by date of
> manufacture), "If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must be used."
>
>
>
> For details, check out:
>
>
> https://www.boatus.com/news-room/release/new-boat-engine-cutoff-switch-law-g
> oes-into-e
> <https://www.boatus.com/news-room/release/new-boat-engine-cutoff-switch-law-goes-into-e>
>
>
>
> or
>
> https://uscgboating.org/recreational-boaters/engine-cut-off-switch-faq.php
>
>
>
> The new rule started this month. Failure to obey the terms of the rule may
> result in a civil penalty of $100.
>
>
>
> My 2005 6 HP Yamaha has such a device. I need to engage the ECOS lanyard to
> operate the engine. It is generally looped around the throttle when
> underway. I mainly considered it a theft deterrent, like a key for an
> ignition switch. It is kept in the locked cabin when we are not on the
> boat.
> I do not attach the lanyard to me. As such, it would do little to minimize
> risk in a situation in which I was thrown from the boat.
>
>
>
> So, a review of the facts is as follows:
>
> 1.      Rhodes 22 - all manufactured before 2020 - no ECOS required.
> 2.      Rhodes 22 w/outboard maximum speed is 4 to 5 kts, less than 6 kt
> displacement speed - no ECOS required. (hull speed or displacement speed
> calculator for LWL=20',
>
> https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/hull-speed-calcula
> tor.php
> <https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/hull-speed-calculator.php>
> )
> 3.      2005 6HP Yamaha - If an engine cut-off switch is present, it must
> be
> used.
>
>
>
> Resolution:
>
> I will attach the lanyard as often as possible when operating the engine,
> especially while at maximum speed. If I need to go forward while under
> power, I will designate an alternate helmsman who will attach the lanyard.
> If I am single handling, I will engage my autopilot tiller control and
> attach the lanyard to it.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Apr  8 12:33:41 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:33:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of
	April 1, 2021
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36byjW+WB+DydGMnvPSAAxf1xEQ-xi5Ns51dQ6wnYsaS5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
 <CABkv36byjW+WB+DydGMnvPSAAxf1xEQ-xi5Ns51dQ6wnYsaS5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d72c94$f06dd230$d1497690$@ebsmed.com>

Rick,

Where do I add them? ;-)

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of April 1, 2021

You have to add foils to get an r22 to plane.


Rick Lange



From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 16:40:23 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 16:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of
 April 1, 2021
In-Reply-To: <001201d72c94$f06dd230$d1497690$@ebsmed.com>
References: <02b901d72c88$89fad310$9df07930$@ebsmed.com>
 <CABkv36byjW+WB+DydGMnvPSAAxf1xEQ-xi5Ns51dQ6wnYsaS5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <001201d72c94$f06dd230$d1497690$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36akpZXf6b_OjeQaF_Wum10rajT0wy-TGFt4p0N13wtQiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Only Stan can take on that challenge.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:33 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Where do I add them? ;-)
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rick Lange
> Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine Cut Off Switch - New regulations as of
> April 1, 2021
>
> You have to add foils to get an r22 to plane.
>
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Apr  8 18:56:46 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:56:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR04MB543856D9E5D51E9D8152182AD9759@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1617922606005-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

On the subject of the tiller to motor linkage, I originally had a Yamaha 9.9
fitted with what I later came to learn was Stan's linkage frame. The motor
was seized and I replaced with a Suzuki 9.9. My local boat works came up
with a much simpler alternative to the exterior frame. I think It is a
bronze 5/16" partially threaded hex bolt with the head cut off and filed
smooth and a nut and washer epoxied underneath. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Linkage_Pin_on_Cowl.jpg> 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Apr  8 18:59:23 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:59:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin top handrails leaking
In-Reply-To: <1617624981596-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1617624981596-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1617922763959-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Jeff,
Yes. I reset mine. It's quite easy. Pop the snap caps off from inside the
cabin and unscrew the nuts. Remove the rails, clean up the holes in the
cabin trunk and re-caulk with marine silicone. Took me maybe 45 minutes at
the most.



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 07:21:30 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 04:21:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin top handrails leaking
In-Reply-To: <1617922763959-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1617624981596-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1617922763959-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618053690174-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks, Joe. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Apr 10 15:40:27 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Marine tex , or need something more?
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4bJ9zxM06NUg2PURUZ973fH66CBuMECEOQciSKV1YeVw@mail.gmail.com>

Picked up our girl from hibernation yesterday...

I have 4oz of marine tex coming.... And a grinder...  Thoughts?

Happy spring,
Tom
  IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l0Utp-mj9wRoZRce7bl8S116rQ3Vxme/view?usp=drivesdk>

From zakster00 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 20:39:27 2021
From: zakster00 at gmail.com (Michael Scharpf)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:39:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2008 Rhodes 22 for sale $19000
Message-ID: <DEC9B230-F0E6-4EAD-A320-59B78B37FE7C@gmail.com>

My 2008 Rhodes 22  located in SW FL is for sale. Details on Sailboatlistings.com.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90638

Sent from my iPad

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Apr 10 20:46:59 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:46:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2008 Rhodes 22 for sale $19000
In-Reply-To: <DEC9B230-F0E6-4EAD-A320-59B78B37FE7C@gmail.com>
References: <DEC9B230-F0E6-4EAD-A320-59B78B37FE7C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5hBXXbarKPfTusqKke3wm4jrcQXna=bbh1mz63Qe8HvA@mail.gmail.com>

Good luck with the sale.  Priced to move for sure.

Don't forget we printed an extra 1.9T$ this year..... No one else had a
problem raising prices, don't sell short!

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 7:39 PM Michael Scharpf <zakster00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My 2008 Rhodes 22  located in SW FL is for sale. Details on
> Sailboatlistings.com.
>
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90638
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 20:56:21 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Marine tex , or need something more?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4bJ9zxM06NUg2PURUZ973fH66CBuMECEOQciSKV1YeVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4bJ9zxM06NUg2PURUZ973fH66CBuMECEOQciSKV1YeVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVtVTUfSG5iYtHNhX5SqNsbKR-5i7KpseTG-LWo34_EBg@mail.gmail.com>

Remember in ?Jaws? when the sharif said ? I think we need a bigger boat??
I think you are gonna need a bigger tube of Marine Tex.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:40 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Picked up our girl from hibernation yesterday...
>
> I have 4oz of marine tex coming.... And a grinder...  Thoughts?
>
> Happy spring,
> Tom
>   IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg
> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l0Utp-mj9wRoZRce7bl8S116rQ3Vxme/view?usp=drivesdk
> >
>

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 10 22:48:45 2021
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 22:48:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2008 Rhodes 22 for sale $19000
In-Reply-To: <DEC9B230-F0E6-4EAD-A320-59B78B37FE7C@gmail.com>
References: <DEC9B230-F0E6-4EAD-A320-59B78B37FE7C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5575E416-D371-4A8C-84C6-9CFA508718FB@yahoo.com>

Beautiful boat!  I bought a much older ?86 in St Pete a year ago and it?s fine but when I look at this one I think oh it?s great. 
  
Good luck with it!  The pic reminds me, my friend?s mom was on a canal in Punta Gorda  - he @ I visited for a few weeks in January of ?81 - 40 years ago, not many houses built at the time - we sailed up & down the canals & out to the bay on an AMF MiniFish. 
  
Larry

> On Apr 10, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Michael Scharpf <zakster00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My 2008 Rhodes 22  located in SW FL is for sale. Details on Sailboatlistings.com.
> 
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90638
> 
> Sent from my iPad


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Apr 10 23:15:47 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 22:15:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Marine tex , or need something more?
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVtVTUfSG5iYtHNhX5SqNsbKR-5i7KpseTG-LWo34_EBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4bJ9zxM06NUg2PURUZ973fH66CBuMECEOQciSKV1YeVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiVtVTUfSG5iYtHNhX5SqNsbKR-5i7KpseTG-LWo34_EBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7tC_muMs1iC8iz1mFe0atkOMUWN0LAaOdh5JgcH-r_ww@mail.gmail.com>

Haha. I.did order the scuplters kit...
Gonna test some before applying to me unders.

But taking your advice , chris, would you $uggest a "gauze up" the mass and
lay glass approach?

It was damage from before, but before she sits in the lake all season, this
needs a barrier IMHO.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 7:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Remember in ?Jaws? when the sharif said ? I think we need a bigger boat??
> I think you are gonna need a bigger tube of Marine Tex.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:40 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Picked up our girl from hibernation yesterday...
> >
> > I have 4oz of marine tex coming.... And a grinder...  Thoughts?
> >
> > Happy spring,
> > Tom
> >   IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg
> > <
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l0Utp-mj9wRoZRce7bl8S116rQ3Vxme/view?usp=drivesdk
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 17:21:29 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 17:21:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Marine tex , or need something more?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7tC_muMs1iC8iz1mFe0atkOMUWN0LAaOdh5JgcH-r_ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4bJ9zxM06NUg2PURUZ973fH66CBuMECEOQciSKV1YeVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiVtVTUfSG5iYtHNhX5SqNsbKR-5i7KpseTG-LWo34_EBg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY7tC_muMs1iC8iz1mFe0atkOMUWN0LAaOdh5JgcH-r_ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVmpmb2-hwu23evcK9FWTKJh4L-qWjWxqJjF7m-kg+xPA@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,
I think you could grind out, clean and then saturate with some thinned
resin then regular resin and cloth with a sheet of polyethylene or
polypropylene to cover the wound so it won?t run out. Just tape it in place
and when cured it can be peeled  off leaving a smooth finish. Wash off the
ammine blush, sand, clean, and then coat with an epoxy barrier paint.  Not
a big job, I had similar damage and the fix is still good many years later.
Good luck!
Chris G.
Enosis

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:16 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Haha. I.did order the scuplters kit...
> Gonna test some before applying to me unders.
>
> But taking your advice , chris, would you $uggest a "gauze up" the mass and
> lay glass approach?
>
> It was damage from before, but before she sits in the lake all season, this
> needs a barrier IMHO.
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 7:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Remember in ?Jaws? when the sharif said ? I think we need a bigger boat??
> > I think you are gonna need a bigger tube of Marine Tex.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:40 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Picked up our girl from hibernation yesterday...
> > >
> > > I have 4oz of marine tex coming.... And a grinder...  Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Happy spring,
> > > Tom
> > >   IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l0Utp-mj9wRoZRce7bl8S116rQ3Vxme/view?usp=drivesdk
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Apr 11 17:34:28 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:34:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Marine tex , or need something more?
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVmpmb2-hwu23evcK9FWTKJh4L-qWjWxqJjF7m-kg+xPA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Chris,
Appreciate your input.

The damage looks much worse in the picture than IRL...

Yet, I didn't think 2x2oz would be enough, looking at it today.... it may
have been enough.  I still ordered a 14oz kit.  I have to grind yet...

Its more like bad curb rash you would get on a car wheel... But it's under
the waterline.?  ...

Marine tex sounds a bit fewer steps.
I'll snap another photo tomorrow.


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 4:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tom,
> I think you could grind out, clean and then saturate with some thinned
> resin then regular resin and cloth with a sheet of polyethylene or
> polypropylene to cover the wound so it won?t run out. Just tape it in place
> and when cured it can be peeled  off leaving a smooth finish. Wash off the
> ammine blush, sand, clean, and then coat with an epoxy barrier paint.  Not
> a big job, I had similar damage and the fix is still good many years later.
> Good luck!
> Chris G.
> Enosis
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:16 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Haha. I.did order the scuplters kit...
> > Gonna test some before applying to me unders.
> >
> > But taking your advice , chris, would you $uggest a "gauze up" the mass
> and
> > lay glass approach?
> >
> > It was damage from before, but before she sits in the lake all season,
> this
> > needs a barrier IMHO.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 7:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Remember in ?Jaws? when the sharif said ? I think we need a bigger
> boat??
> > > I think you are gonna need a bigger tube of Marine Tex.
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:40 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Picked up our girl from hibernation yesterday...
> > > >
> > > > I have 4oz of marine tex coming.... And a grinder...  Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Happy spring,
> > > > Tom
> > > >   IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16l0Utp-mj9wRoZRce7bl8S116rQ3Vxme/view?usp=drivesdk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From robert at pamayared.com  Tue Apr 13 22:25:28 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (robert51)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 19:25:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and the
two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far over
the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only take a
few minutes.



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Apr 13 22:56:35 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:56:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Are we talking about an IMF or a STD mast configuration?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
robert51
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 10:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and the
two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far over
the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only take a
few minutes.



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Apr 13 23:15:57 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 23:15:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Robert:
My wife and I have raised and lowered the mast according to Stan's
instructions for about 25 years and neither of us is particularly strong. I
stand on the foredeck and begin the lift manually and my wife is able to
haul the mast up with the mainsheet on her own. I just stabilize the mast on
the way up. You must be doing something wrong.

What do you mean when you say "it was pushed so far over the bow that it
stated to see saw". I don't understand what you are experiencing. 

My mast balances on the bow pulpit. I straddle and sit on the mast while I
inset the pin through the mast sep and mast after which is stays in place
while I rig the boom and set the shrouds etc.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
robert51
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 10:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and the
two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far over
the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only take a
few minutes.



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From john_carlson at mac.com  Tue Apr 13 23:18:41 2021
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <E91E5B11-CCC4-498A-B342-14E83CE6AA58@mac.com>

There's an older video on Sailing Texas which I converted. It was in a old codec and the quality isn't awesome. 

I've posted it here:

https://youtu.be/_mV12--7JDI <https://youtu.be/_mV12--7JDI>

John
--
Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas



> On Apr 13, 2021, at 9:25 PM, robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> 
> Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and the
> two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far over
> the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
> people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only take a
> few minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Apr 14 07:45:07 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (robert51)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 04:45:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <03c501d730d9$c9221710$5b664530$@ebsmed.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1618400707489-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

the IMF



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From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Apr 14 07:56:47 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (robert51)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 04:56:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <004c01d730dc$7dfd7560$79f86020$@ca>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1618401407072-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we went
to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising



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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 08:18:37 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618401407072-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Am I  missing something?
The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
see-sawing on the bow pulpit?

Todd T

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:

> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we
> went
> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 08:21:05 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMWJS+ZAO_Y6yDgs-USg6xVrjkqE5Ft02wgkpTJzn23Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Here is a YouTube video link. (if it stays embedded)

https://youtu.be/x99Q7RJGERM

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I  missing something?
> The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
> see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
>
> Todd T
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>
>> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we
>> went
>> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
>> pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
>> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 08:24:10 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:24:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618401407072-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Robert, I believe that if you do not have the mast raising system the only
way to raise the mast is from the bow. Stan told me that the "IMF mast can
be raised manually by one man" he then added that he has "yet to meet that
man". We do not have the mast raising system but have the standard mast and
it is still a pain to lift. Once we get the mast extended over the bow to
where it's about to seesaw my wife goes into the truck bed and we extend
the mast all the way to where the mast base can be connected. Then my wife
lifts the top of the mast up and sets it on the top of a step ladder to get
it as high as possible. I then lift from the bow pulpit and walk it up.
It's not pretty but getting the mast up as high as possible first it makes
lifting from the boat much easier. Last time I actually had someone
standing on the top of the truck cab who held the mast up from there which
made the lifting from the bow deck pretty easy. Hope that helps.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:

> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we
> went
> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Apr 14 08:49:50 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:49:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618400707489-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985595AE2F50603768D5747C14E9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

With the imf you're either need the mast raising system or get the yard to do it with a crane.  The imf mast is too heavy to man handle with two people, although I'm sure someone has done it.  - rob

________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:45 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

the IMF



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Apr 14 08:52:49 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:52:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618401407072-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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If you are using Stan's mast raising system, the top of the mast would be over the stern of the boat and would be supported on a mast crutch when you are ready yo raise it. - rob

________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:56 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we went
to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising



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From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Apr 14 08:59:01 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMWJS+ZAO_Y6yDgs-USg6xVrjkqE5Ft02wgkpTJzn23Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far as you
comfortably can.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I  missing something?
> The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
> see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
>
> Todd T
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>
> > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we
> > went
> > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> > pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top
> of
> > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Apr 14 09:03:43 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:03:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <CAJM+vruUT2ebEYUWYPVTn2AxyohoZ+DZJzXhh9Aw+HbuA7MUgw@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put your
mast down, last fall, backwards.

The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.

I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...

Best luck.



On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
wrote:

> Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far as you
> comfortably can.
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Am I  missing something?
> > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
> > see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we
> > > went
> > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> > > pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top
> > of
> > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Apr 14 09:15:12 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Robert:
The conventional mast (i.e., not the IMF with internal furling) raises from
the bow of the boat. This is a bit unconventional and completely different
from the IMF which raises from the stern.

I am wondering if you got Stan's original instructions which I posted last
week as they are very specific. In a nutshell, the mast is placed with the
foot on the mast step and the top of the mast hanging way over the bow
pulpit with the sail track facing up.You insert the pin to hold the mast in
place while you set up the rig for the lift. Don't tighten the pivot pin -
just remove excessive play.

Install the lower forward shrouds. The shrouds will be loose when the mast
is down but will tighten up as the mast raises. The mainsheet shrouds alone
will keep the mast vertical both side to side as well as front to back. 

You then need to attach the boom near the base of the mast. Make sure it is
secured in the track with pins or stops so that is will not slide along the
track. Use a halyard to attach the top of the boom to the top of the mast
and then attach the mainsheet between the stern of the boat and the top of
the mast. 

The boom then need to be supported with lines on either side to keep it
vertical. I. The ends of these support lines should be attached in line with
the pivot pin as otherwise they will either get looser or tighter as the rig
rotates. I have a padeye half way up the boom that I use to secure lines to
my cabin handrails

Pulling on the mainsheet pulls the boom back towards the cockpit and as the
end of the boom is attached to the top of the mast with a halyard the mast
will raise as the boom is pulled back and down. As the mast raises the
forward lower shrouds snug up so you need to stabilize it during the
raising. If the boat is in the water make sure the water is calm so the boat
doesn't rock. You can stabilize the mast directly with your hands for the
first part of the raising but as it gets higher and more top heavy you can
stabilize by holding the forestays and using your weight, gently, to keep
the mast centered. 

It is important to check and recheck all of the stays and lines to make sure
they will not snag on anything on the way up. I lay the forestay with jib
furling on the side deck being very careful to make sure nothing will snag
up during the raising. I drop the ends of the back stays into the cabin
through the sliding hatch. If you have a snag you will likely need to lower
the mast unless you have a third person available to fix the snag while you
hold the mast. 

Once the mast us pu use only enough tension on the mainsheet to stabilize
the rig. Don't put a lot of tensin on the mainsheet until you have attached
the forestay. Too much tension puts enormous tension of the lower shrouds
and will probably not leave anough slack to get the forestay attached. Once
the forestay is attached , then attach? the aft lower stays and the upper
stays. Take out any obvious slack but don't tighten the rig until you attach
the aft stays - which you do now. You can put tension on the mainsheet to
get more slack to attach the aftstays.

Now with all of the stays attached you can remove the mainsheet and boom
stays from the boom and proceed to tune the rig. 

This brief description is intended to give you an overview in the hope that
any misunderstanding about the process might be clarified.

I have attached a checklist that I made up and use when I raise the mast so
that I don't miss any steps - which I will inevitably do. Ig nore the
"measurements" section at the end as these are unique to my rig.

I hope this is helpful.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







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robert51
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We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When we went
to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the top of
the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Apr 14 09:20:49 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:20:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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In that case forget EVERYTHING I wrote. As it applies only to the standard
rig - which I thought you had.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







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the IMF



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From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Apr 14 09:45:09 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
of mast on bow pulpit

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put your
> mast down, last fall, backwards.
>
> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>
> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>
> Best luck.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far as
> you
> > comfortably can.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Am I  missing something?
> > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
> > > see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > >
> > > Todd T
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When
> we
> > > > went
> > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> > > > pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the
> top
> > > of
> > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Apr 14 09:57:07 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:57:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do not apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?  You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
of mast on bow pulpit

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put your
> mast down, last fall, backwards.
>
> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>
> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>
> Best luck.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far as
> you
> > comfortably can.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Am I  missing something?
> > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
> > > see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > >
> > > Todd T
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When
> we
> > > > went
> > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
> > > > pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the
> top
> > > of
> > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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From stan at generalboats.com  Wed Apr 14 10:32:37 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 10:32:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Just a reminder:?? Your instruction booklet says, "When it comes to 
anything Rhodes, beware of experts".? If you have any doubts as to all 
the damage they can do, watch in horror when one raises the pop top for 
you.


On 4/14/21 9:57 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do not apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?  You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
> of mast on bow pulpit
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put your
>> mast down, last fall, backwards.
>>
>> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>>
>> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>>
>> Best luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far as
>> you
>>> comfortably can.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Am I  missing something?
>>>> The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
>>>> crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it is
>>>> see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
>>>>
>>>> Todd T
>>>>
>>>> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. When
>> we
>>>>> went
>>>>> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the bow. So,
>>>>> pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow pulpet. Is the
>> top
>>>> of
>>>>> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>>>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Apr 14 10:42:39 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 10:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit. The
stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
heavier.

The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.

Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to raise
the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way out
in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If the
mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.

When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must be
free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly is
completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
once erected.

The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
(http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
%201988.pdf) are very instructive.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do not
apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
of mast on bow pulpit

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put 
> your mast down, last fall, backwards.
>
> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>
> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>
> Best luck.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red 
> <robert at pamayared.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far 
> > as
> you
> > comfortably can.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Am I  missing something?
> > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail 
> > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it 
> > > is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > >
> > > Todd T
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. 
> > > > When
> we
> > > > went
> > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the 
> > > > bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow 
> > > > pulpet. Is the
> top
> > > of
> > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 14 10:49:40 2021
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 10:49:40 -0400
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I have a conventional mast and only raise from the stern with a 2x4/pipe
homemade crutch and 2x4/truckbed winch pully system... i've done it mostly
single handed.  I'd never attempt to raise from the bow.
--
Curtis


On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit.
> The
> stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
> The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
> use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
> heavier.
>
> The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
> without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
> advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
> crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
> previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
> possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
> crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
>
> Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
> stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to
> raise
> the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way
> out
> in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If
> the
> mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
> attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
> mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
>
> When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
> lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
> base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
> to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must
> be
> free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
> securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
> also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
> to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
> reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly
> is
> completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
> once erected.
>
> The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
> (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
> %201988.pdf
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-%201988.pdf>)
> are very instructive.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do
> not
> apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
> top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
> You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
> Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
> of mast on bow pulpit
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put
> > your mast down, last fall, backwards.
> >
> > The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
> >
> > I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
> >
> > Best luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red
> > <robert at pamayared.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far
> > > as
> > you
> > > comfortably can.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I  missing something?
> > > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it
> > > > is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > > >
> > > > Todd T
> > > >
> > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it.
> > > > > When
> > we
> > > > > went
> > > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the
> > > > > bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow
> > > > > pulpet. Is the
> > top
> > > > of
> > > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Apr 14 11:04:31 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:04:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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When I had my standard main mast boat, I did the same.  Only I used the trailer winch hooked to the forward stay.  But I had a hank on jib and not the furling jib. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:49 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

I have a conventional mast and only raise from the stern with a 2x4/pipe
homemade crutch and 2x4/truckbed winch pully system... i've done it mostly
single handed.  I'd never attempt to raise from the bow.
--
Curtis


On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit.
> The
> stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
> The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
> use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
> heavier.
>
> The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
> without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
> advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
> crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
> previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
> possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
> crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
>
> Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
> stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to
> raise
> the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way
> out
> in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If
> the
> mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
> attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
> mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
>
> When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
> lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
> base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
> to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must
> be
> free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
> securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
> also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
> to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
> reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly
> is
> completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
> once erected.
>
> The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
> (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
> %201988.pdf
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-%201988.pdf>)
> are very instructive.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do
> not
> apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
> top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
> You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
> Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
> of mast on bow pulpit
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put
> > your mast down, last fall, backwards.
> >
> > The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
> >
> > I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
> >
> > Best luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red
> > <robert at pamayared.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far
> > > as
> > you
> > > comfortably can.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I  missing something?
> > > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it
> > > > is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > > >
> > > > Todd T
> > > >
> > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it.
> > > > > When
> > we
> > > > > went
> > > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the
> > > > > bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow
> > > > > pulpet. Is the
> > top
> > > > of
> > > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 12:46:45 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:46:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFfddbOA2RiNLLYPsCmWuVsMOyvJq46ctuCqJk037ZCfGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <67083452-61A5-4875-911E-8F1A73500B66@gmail.com>

Curtis, do you by any chance have any photos of your system?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a conventional mast and only raise from the stern with a 2x4/pipe
> homemade crutch and 2x4/truckbed winch pully system... i've done it mostly
> single handed.  I'd never attempt to raise from the bow.
> --
> Curtis
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit.
>> The
>> stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
>> The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
>> use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
>> heavier.
>> 
>> The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
>> without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
>> advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
>> crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
>> previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
>> possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
>> crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
>> 
>> Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
>> stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to
>> raise
>> the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way
>> out
>> in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If
>> the
>> mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
>> attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
>> mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
>> 
>> When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
>> lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
>> base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
>> to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must
>> be
>> free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
>> securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
>> also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
>> to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
>> reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly
>> is
>> completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
>> once erected.
>> 
>> The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
>> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
>> (
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
>> %201988.pdf
>> <http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-%201988.pdf>)
>> are very instructive.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Lowe,
>> Rob
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>> 
>> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do
>> not
>> apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
>> top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
>> You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
>> Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>> 
>> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
>> of mast on bow pulpit
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put
>>> your mast down, last fall, backwards.
>>> 
>>> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>>> 
>>> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>>> 
>>> Best luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red
>>> <robert at pamayared.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far
>>>> as
>>> you
>>>> comfortably can.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Am I  missing something?
>>>>> The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
>>>>> crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it
>>>>> is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T
>>>>> 
>>>>> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it.
>>>>>> When
>>> we
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the
>>>>>> bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow
>>>>>> pulpet. Is the
>>> top
>>>>> of
>>>>>> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Apr 14 16:12:28 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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Curtis:

Do you have a picture of the crutch and winch ? Where do you attach the winch to the boat?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:50 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising

I have a conventional mast and only raise from the stern with a 2x4/pipe
homemade crutch and 2x4/truckbed winch pully system... i've done it mostly
single handed.  I'd never attempt to raise from the bow.
--
Curtis


On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit.
> The
> stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
> The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
> use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
> heavier.
>
> The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
> without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
> advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
> crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
> previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
> possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
> crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
>
> Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
> stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to
> raise
> the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way
> out
> in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If
> the
> mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
> attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
> mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
>
> When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
> lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
> base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
> to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must
> be
> free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
> securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
> also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
> to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
> reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly
> is
> completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
> once erected.
>
> The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
> (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
> %201988.pdf
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-%201988.pdf>)
> are very instructive.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do
> not
> apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
> top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
> You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
> Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
> of mast on bow pulpit
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put
> > your mast down, last fall, backwards.
> >
> > The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
> >
> > I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
> >
> > Best luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red
> > <robert at pamayared.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far
> > > as
> > you
> > > comfortably can.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am I  missing something?
> > > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it
> > > > is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > > >
> > > > Todd T
> > > >
> > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it.
> > > > > When
> > we
> > > > > went
> > > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the
> > > > > bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow
> > > > > pulpet. Is the
> > top
> > > > of
> > > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 17:37:21 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:37:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1618367128737-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfQcOaHZvnpx+jhrrEAuEEU23a4VaPEYpE6ifs+-F1AGA@mail.gmail.com>

Robert,

I raised my IMF mast from the bow with my son for several years starting
when he was 15 years old. It?s a tough lift but can be done by 2 men. The
hard part was maintaining control from side to side as you step up onto the
cabin top from the bow. When my son left for college I bought the mast
raising system from Stan. 1 person can do it with his system.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:25 PM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:

> Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and the
> two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far over
> the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
> people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only take a
> few minutes.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
-- 
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 17:41:31 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
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By watching the quick motion YouTube video and by reading the instructions
on the owners group website, which is attached in this thread, you can get
enough info to see how the mast raising system is used.

There are plenty of publicly shared pictures of the mast raising system's
parts and pieces on the owners group website and in the List archives too.

If you wanted spend the time, you could find pictures and enough info to
build a similar system for your own use. I have gleaned several pictures
from the archives and made a trailer winch version for myself. I'd be happy
to share these pictures by private email if anyone wants them.

Todd T.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:12 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Curtis:
>
> Do you have a picture of the crutch and winch ? Where do you attach the
> winch to the boat?
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:50 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
>
> I have a conventional mast and only raise from the stern with a 2x4/pipe
> homemade crutch and 2x4/truckbed winch pully system... i've done it mostly
> single handed.  I'd never attempt to raise from the bow.
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit.
> > The
> > stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
> > The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on
> the
> > use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
> > heavier.
> >
> > The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast
> raising
> > without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
> > advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
> > crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
> > previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than
> is
> > possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by
> the
> > crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
> >
> > Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two
> side
> > stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to
> > raise
> > the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way
> > out
> > in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If
> > the
> > mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
> > attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
> > mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
> >
> > When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
> > lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from
> the
> > base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are
> connected
> > to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must
> > be
> > free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back
> stays
> > securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
> > also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points
> are
> > to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
> > reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly
> > is
> > completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily
> connected
> > once erected.
> >
> > The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
> > (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
> > (
> >
> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
> > %201988.pdf
> > <
> http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-%201988.pdf
> >)
> > are very instructive.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Lowe,
> > Rob
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
> >
> > Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do
> > not
> > apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has
> its
> > top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging
> too?
> > You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
> > Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
> >
> > Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with
> top
> > of mast on bow pulpit
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put
> > > your mast down, last fall, backwards.
> > >
> > > The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
> > >
> > > I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
> > >
> > > Best luck.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red
> > > <robert at pamayared.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far
> > > > as
> > > you
> > > > comfortably can.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Am I  missing something?
> > > > > The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail
> > > > > crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it
> > > > > is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd T
> > > > >
> > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it.
> > > > > > When
> > > we
> > > > > > went
> > > > > > to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the
> > > > > > bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow
> > > > > > pulpet. Is the
> > > top
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Apr 14 17:55:18 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:55:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjfQcOaHZvnpx+jhrrEAuEEU23a4VaPEYpE6ifs+-F1AGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060504204631.77234.qmail@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Thank you. Maybe have to try that

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:37 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert,
>
> I raised my IMF mast from the bow with my son for several years starting
> when he was 15 years old. It?s a tough lift but can be done by 2 men. The
> hard part was maintaining control from side to side as you step up onto the
> cabin top from the bow. When my son left for college I bought the mast
> raising system from Stan. 1 person can do it with his system.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:25 PM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>
> > Tried raising the mast today with a friend. Read all the directions and
> the
> > two of us were unable to lift it especially when it was pushed so far
> over
> > the bow that it stated to see saw. Are there any videos showing how two
> > people can lift the mast, boom and jib in what Stan says should only
> take a
> > few minutes.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> --
> Thanks and Stay Well,
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Apr 14 19:32:13 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:32:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
In-Reply-To: <001f01d7313c$6be7ef80$43b7ce80$@ebsmed.com>
References: <001f01d7313c$6be7ef80$43b7ce80$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <7C6C9B4B-9467-40CB-9A15-B5E8B30F8FB6@verizon.net>

Thanks all, I am also getting ready to raise the mast for my first time. The video was also  very helpful.
Scott,  86? Rhodes 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Either mast can be raised with the mast hanging out over the bow pulpit. The
> stays are arranged in the same manner for both the IMF and the STD masts.
> The reason that the IMF is generally raised from the stern is based on the
> use of the mast crane & crutch since the IMF assembly is quite a bit
> heavier.
> 
> The instructions that are at the bottom of this post apply to mast raising
> without the mast crane & crutch system. To produce the correct mechanical
> advantages, the top of the mast must be at the stern (supported by the
> crutch) when using the crane. As I showed in the spreadsheet posted
> previously, the stern crutch lifts the mast to a much higher point than is
> possible using the bow pulpit, thus reducing the forces experienced by the
> crane or gin pole when the mast is in the nearly horizontal position.
> 
> Regardless of the mast type or method used to erect the mast, the two side
> stays and two of the lower stays must be attached BEFORE attempting to raise
> the mast. If the mast is raised from the bow pulpit (top of the mast way out
> in front of the boat), the attached lower stays are the FRONT lowers. If the
> mast is raised from the stern crutch (top of mast towards the rear), the
> attached lower stays are the REAR lowers. These 4 stays will prevent the
> mast from falling over while the remaining stays are attached.
> 
> When raising from the bow pulpit, care must exercised that the loose rear
> lower stays are securely fastened to the mast, no more than 6 feet from the
> base of the mast. When using the crane, the front lower stays are connected
> to the crane to lift the mast. In all configurations, the side stays must be
> free of obstructions and the furling genoa assembly and the twin back stays
> securely fastened to the mast no more than 6 feet front the base. The IMF
> also requires that the boom is secured to the mast. All securing points are
> to be no more than 6 feet from the base of the mast so that they may be
> reached when the mast is vertical. Please be sure that the genoa assembly is
> completely on the front side of the mast so that it may be easily connected
> once erected.
> 
> The video by David Culp using the crane to raise the IMF
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI0) and the instructions
> (http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Rhodes%2022%20MastHoist%20-
> %201988.pdf) are very instructive.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:57 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
> 
> Someone correct me, but I believe those are for the standard mast and do not
> apply to the IMF, which is a much heavier beast.  If your IMF mast has its
> top resting on the bow pulpit, then they disconnected all your rigging too?
> You may have your work cut out for you.  Where do you live?  Any other
> Rhodies in the area that might give you a hand? - Rob
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising
> 
> Attached are the instructions and yes the marina put the mast down with top
> of mast on bow pulpit
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 9:03 AM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to see that instruction....  Sounds like the boat yard put 
>> your mast down, last fall, backwards.
>> 
>> The base of my mast is on the bow, for storage, the mast top is stern.
>> 
>> I bet they took off all your rigging too? That's nice...
>> 
>> Best luck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:59 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red 
>> <robert at pamayared.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Because the instructions say to push mast out over bow pulpit as far 
>>> as
>> you
>>> comfortably can.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 8:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Am I  missing something?
>>>> The mast raising is done up and forward from the stern rail 
>>>> crutch/cradle/carrier. Why or how are you raising the mast that it 
>>>> is see-sawing on the bow pulpit?
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T
>>>> 
>>>> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:56 AM robert51 <robert at pamayared.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> We didn't take the mast down in November. Had the marina do it. 
>>>>> When
>> we
>>>>> went
>>>>> to raise the mast the the top of the mast was resting on the 
>>>>> bow. So, pushing the mast forward brought it way over the bow 
>>>>> pulpet. Is the
>> top
>>>> of
>>>>> the mast supposed to be at the stern before raising
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 14:24:31 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:24:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope Luff Pad
Message-ID: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?m still so new to sailing, I keep noticing things on my boat I didn?t know
existed. 

When I took my Doyle 175 Genoa down to take it in for repairs I noticed a
rope in a pocket next to the luff. After a little research I?m guessing this
a rope luff pad and I think I know what a luff pad is supposed to do. But my
research seems to say the luff pad should be thicker in the middle of the
sail and smaller at the top and bottom. Many websites describing rope luff
pads mentioned 3 different length ropes to achieve the greater middle
thickness. 

I have one rope which runs almost the entire length of the luff to within
18? of the top and bottom. Is this how it?s done on Rhodes 22 175 Genoa?





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George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:19:52 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 17:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope Luff Pad
In-Reply-To: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfJxqeM78xowoxEasqv1ne2oqhB45WjS3_=yVcGgtHYQw@mail.gmail.com>

I have never seen a rope luff pad.  The one Doyle has put in the 2 Genoa's
that they made for me were both a cushion that was thicker in the middle.

Good luck.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*
*Needham, MA*

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m still so new to sailing, I keep noticing things on my boat I didn?t
> know
> existed.
>
> When I took my Doyle 175 Genoa down to take it in for repairs I noticed a
> rope in a pocket next to the luff. After a little research I?m guessing
> this
> a rope luff pad and I think I know what a luff pad is supposed to do. But
> my
> research seems to say the luff pad should be thicker in the middle of the
> sail and smaller at the top and bottom. Many websites describing rope luff
> pads mentioned 3 different length ropes to achieve the greater middle
> thickness.
>
> I have one rope which runs almost the entire length of the luff to within
> 18? of the top and bottom. Is this how it?s done on Rhodes 22 175 Genoa?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 06:37:18 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:37:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope Luff Pad
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjfJxqeM78xowoxEasqv1ne2oqhB45WjS3_=yVcGgtHYQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAOo_FjfJxqeM78xowoxEasqv1ne2oqhB45WjS3_=yVcGgtHYQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618569438676-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have seen the rope luff  pad before.  Ideally it would be in the middle
2/3rds of the luff to a have the same effect as a regular pad. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 16:49:41 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:49:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope Luff Pad
In-Reply-To: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618511071481-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618606181291-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I found the answer to my question. My sail had an emblem on it showing Doyle
offshore Barbados. I googled this name and it?s a sail loft in Barbados
which evidently makes sails for General Boats.

I emailed them and I?m posting their reply below:

Hi George
Yes. We did build the sail. We have been working with General boats on the
Rhodes 22 for many years. Your sail was designed to have only 1 rope in the
luff. The rope starts just below the bulk of the head reinforcing and stops
just above the top of the tack reinforcing. We do not suggest adding any
additional ropes. The single rope adds sufficient bulk to furl the middle of
the sail the correct amount. If you have any other questions about your
Doyle Sails feel free to contact me or my college Joanne Lammens. We are
happy to help.
Regards
Dana




-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
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From cp.boyce at comcast.net  Sat Apr 17 15:56:48 2021
From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:56:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Electric Rhodes Is FOR SALE
Message-ID: <1618689408914-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am very sad to say that we are putting our beautiful baby, Take Five, on
the market. This is the custom Electric Rhodes Stan created for us in the
summer of 2017. Lovingly cared for ever since.

Propulsion:  Torqeedo Electric Cruise 4.0 Pod equivalent to 10hp with two
lithium battery packs, dual lithium battery chargers
Backup Torqeedo electric outboard Travel 1003 with 4 batteries (which also
provide USB power). 
Stern lazarette houses the Torqeedo pod, which can be raised out of the
water when not in use.

All-weather enclosure 
Bimini
Two captain?s chairs mount to gunwales for comfortable ?hiking out.?
Fiberglass tiller steering with hiking stick and kick up rudder
Marine VHF radio included
No trailer
Anti-fouling paint August 2020

Currently docked in Olympia WA.

$49,900







-----
The Boyces
s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes)
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Sat Apr 17 18:50:48 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:50:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Electric Rhodes Is FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <1618689408914-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618689408914-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618699848155-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Is this a re-cycled Rhodes? If so, what is the original mfg. date?



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From cp.boyce at comcast.net  Sat Apr 17 19:05:29 2021
From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:05:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Electric Rhodes Is FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <1618699848155-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618689408914-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1618699848155-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618700729054-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Per Stan's paperwork 2017.



-----
The Boyces
s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes)
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 17 19:35:26 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:35:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
North Carolina.    
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg>
Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?    

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 17 19:40:34 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:40:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618702834631-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/30729C11-5785-4D71-9C96-EBDB9EBB9C0B.jpeg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/1B788946-AB57-4A04-AF01-85CF5C79460A.jpeg> 

More pictures.  The trailer now auto steers into the oncoming traffic.   



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Apr 17 21:27:24 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D44A6C59-0F59-4057-8AB7-98C55D648871@sunnybeeches.com>

Ouch! Good thing it was on the way BACK from launching.

I?m a belt and suspenders kind of guy, so I went with dual axles.  It?s peace of mind, but more expensive to buy and more expensive to maintain.

?Peter

> On Apr 17, 2021, at 7:35 PM, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.    
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg>
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?    
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sat Apr 17 23:12:51 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54592.24.140.30.102.1618715571.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>


Sorry to hear, but glad you didn't have the boat on. I went with the two
axles. I've had it for 16 years, love it. Time for brakes and tires, but
the only up keep was grease the bearings every trip. Pros of two axles....
you can walk around the boat on the trailer without the tow vehicle, with
out supporting the back end... two more wheels braking... half the weight
on each wheel... is a whole lot more forgiving if you don't get the boat
all the way forward... better roadhandeling and tracking.

    Jerry Lowe







> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I???ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg>
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>



From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 06:43:19 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 03:43:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <54592.24.140.30.102.1618715571.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <54592.24.140.30.102.1618715571.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <1618742599211-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

When asked, Stan thought 2 vs. 4 wheels was a toss up. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 11:31:30 2021
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>

Alex -
Because I had to buy two Rhodes 22's  in two years (after the first one was rear ended) I have a 1992 Trailmaster for sale.  It is located in Onekama, Michigan.
Bob Cohen 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:35 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer

I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
North Carolina.    
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg>
Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?    

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 12:47:22 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:47:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWwbAdgndXhNm3bamiZqjuWqYBBs5Nn3gUVz7AK9QOgrw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear the bad news. At least the boat wasn?t on the trailer. I?d
guess I?ve towed my various Rhodes well over 10K miles all on a single
axel. Easy to manually push around on flat driveway or pad. Never had a
flat. For what it is worth.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
> >
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 18 13:15:56 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:15:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?    

All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
factory hitch.    

I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.   
Alex





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Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From sbauman369 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 18:03:10 2021
From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>
 <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANnt4UAZB_q_17qzP8u_OQcTaQMd7EvaCGDh7t7oBGhcEhTm-A@mail.gmail.com>

I like my single axle trailer because it is MUCH easier to maneuver in
my backyard.  I also have a small power boat on a double axle trailer
that I have to turn 90 degrees to get it in and out of my garage
seasonally withOUT a tow vehicle because I don't have enough room for
that (so we use an electric trailer dolly) and it is a pain - it does
not want to turn.  However, I do not typically trailer either one any
substantial distance, so I can not comment on that aspect of it.

Steve Bauman, Sandusky Bay, Ohio

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 1:15 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?
>
> All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
> Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
> factory hitch.
>
> I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
> also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
> I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
> other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
> could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
> and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
> outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
> versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mike at traildesign.com  Sun Apr 18 19:05:19 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo9ASxu45Mr2UXvu9v4FKQ9C_O9+W76vHDTv2WTohWaG3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear about your trailer Alex. Glad you weren?t hurt.
I live in GA and trailer my boat all over from lake Winnebago in WI to the
FL keys. I have a single axle Triad. And while I really like Triad
trailers, I really wish mine was a tandem axle. If you?re just using it to
launch and recover once a season, then the single axle makes sense. But
over the road for any distance or frequency, tandem is the way to go.
They?re just more stable. Wear and tear is spread out over all four tires
so they tend to last longer especially if you can keep them out of the sun.

My .02

Mike
SV EmmaB


On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
> >
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sun Apr 18 22:25:24 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo9ASxu45Mr2UXvu9v4FKQ9C_O9+W76vHDTv2WTohWaG3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAAY+qo9ASxu45Mr2UXvu9v4FKQ9C_O9+W76vHDTv2WTohWaG3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49715.24.140.30.102.1618799124.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

I agree with Mike. I got a single axle trailer when I bought Country
Rhodes. It was probably came with the boat. I'm sure the trailers made now
are a lot better than that 86 , but I was a whole lot happier with the
2004 double axel. The single axle had to have the boat all the way forward
and didn't like to go faster than 60 mph. Even at sixty, a big bump could
have the tail wagging the dog in a hurry. With the boat six Inches back,
you can reduce that to 55 mph.
  I've been following your adventures, and if you plan to keep on
trailer-sailing like you have been, a double axel will serve you well. I
can cruise at 70 mph, with the boat six inches back of the sweet spot,
with the duel axel trailer. That is being pulled with the same vehicle,
a 2002 Toyota 4Runner sport, with a V-8.


    Jerry Lowe






> Sorry to hear about your trailer Alex. Glad you weren???t hurt.
> I live in GA and trailer my boat all over from lake Winnebago in WI to the
> FL keys. I have a single axle Triad. And while I really like Triad
> trailers, I really wish mine was a tandem axle. If you???re just using it
> to
> launch and recover once a season, then the single axle makes sense. But
> over the road for any distance or frequency, tandem is the way to go.
> They???re just more stable. Wear and tear is spread out over all four
> tires
> so they tend to last longer especially if you can keep them out of the
> sun.
>
> My .02
>
> Mike
> SV EmmaB
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent
>> and
>> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
>> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
>> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I???ll have to drive to
>> a
>> North Carolina.
>> <
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
>> >
>> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Alex Cole
>> S/V Lark
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>



From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 15:06:56 2021
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>
 <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <019e01d7354f$2b07f7f0$8117e7d0$@gmail.com>

Alex -I don't know how to answer that question because I am fundamentally ignorant about trailers.  I can tell you it has one axle and that it can carry a Rhodes 22.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:16 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer

Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?    

All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
factory hitch.    

I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.   
Alex





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Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From cgl817 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 16:29:16 2021
From: cgl817 at gmail.com (Charles Loftin)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:29:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.

 

Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823


From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 16:37:53 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpTSjJ9d6TGF14AyvfM-uwxSLQV9nQA_LYaD8odwBzPsmOPjg@mail.gmail.com>

I have two R22?s and 1 Island Packet 26 and would be willing to sell either
R22 or both.
I do not have a trailer for either.
You can call me to discuss either at 1-609-385-7039.
Tks
John

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
>

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 17:11:59 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:11:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
In-Reply-To: <019e01d7354f$2b07f7f0$8117e7d0$@gmail.com>
References: <1618702526624-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d001d73467$e7f5a3f0$b7e0ebd0$@gmail.com>
 <1618766156016-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <019e01d7354f$2b07f7f0$8117e7d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618953119798-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Bob
I'm still messing with insurance delays, they haven't found somebody to
appraise it.  They also think I should be able to find somebody to repair
it, but they don't actually know anybody.   It may be a while before I'm
actually in the position to replace (used or new).   You're almost as far
from me Raleigh.   In the mean time, what do you want for yours?   What is
needed to make it road worthy (tires, bearings, breaks, lights, etc).  I
assume the axle has six lug nuts?   
  
You can email me off list at Colealexander at hotmail.com

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Apr 21 10:24:55 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:24:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501d736ba$1a9fdba0$4fdf92e0$@ebsmed.com>

Hi Charles,

Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.

Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
invaluable, free advice is just that.

Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Charles Loftin
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.

 

Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Wed Apr 21 15:20:29 2021
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:20:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1619032829070-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have three boats for sale:

Boat 01: $20k as with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete
the restoration.  This was Lee's boat he sold to Susan who i purchased it
from and Gustavo has completed a partial restoration with new centerboard
gasket and seal, refurbished hull inside and out, all new interior carpentry
and finishes, new sink and pump and holding tank, new electric jabsco head
and holding tak, all new hoses, new bidge pump, all new electrical wiring
and electrical components including marine radio an navigation, all new
sails from Doyle, all new exterior hardware, new west marine standard motor
lift, outboard motor and more.  What is left to complete is to paint the
deck, replace the windows and assemble the hardware.  Lee has first dibs on
this boat.

Boat 02: $10k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $20k to
complete the restoration.  This is a 1980's vintage R22 ready for
restoration.

Boat 03:  $30k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Ellies boat that i purchased from her
that has a pedestal wheel and steering mechanism.  The current restoration
includes a complete refurbishing of the hull and deck inside an out, all new
interior, all new exterior hardware, new standing rigging by dwyer, new
sails by doyle, new pedestal compass, new marine electronics including
navigation and radio, electric windless, LED navigation and interior lights.
Restoration work left to complete includes some interior carpentry work.

If you have read this far and are interested in any of these boats please
send me an email at [hidden email]




-----

Christopher P. Cowie      

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
Washington DC, 20016
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]

 

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 21 16:51:51 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:51:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438627B0B1B9DF3479AC8D7D9479@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Welcome Charles 
I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington 

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman
98R22


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> New to the list and first post.
> 
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
> for sale.
> 
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
> right fit/price.
> 
> 
> 
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
> 

From cknell at vt.edu  Wed Apr 21 16:58:40 2021
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:58:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for the
previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of the
extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
cause the failure.

The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8" thick
steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would seem
to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?

So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm going
to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable class
3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar (rather
than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer). 

I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.

Thanks,
Chris



-----
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Apr 21 18:07:34 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:07:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Chris,

My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for the
> previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of the
> extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> cause the failure.
> 
> The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8" thick
> steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would seem
> to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
> 
> So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm going
> to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable class
> 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar (rather
> than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer). 
> 
> I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From cgl817 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 19:55:19 2021
From: cgl817 at gmail.com (Charles Loftin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:55:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <005501d736ba$1a9fdba0$4fdf92e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
 <005501d736ba$1a9fdba0$4fdf92e0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <18fd01d73709$c9bb7d20$5d327760$@gmail.com>

Michael,

Thank you.  Looking forward to learning more about the R22 as my search
continues.

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:25 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi Charles,

Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.

Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
invaluable, free advice is just that.

Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Charles Loftin
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.

 

Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823



From cgl817 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:00:10 2021
From: cgl817 at gmail.com (Charles Loftin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1619032829070-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
 <1619032829070-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <190001d7370a$76c128d0$64437a70$@gmail.com>

Chris,

Thank you. #2 is more inline with my budget. I'm learning about the recycled
variations and think that's a great idea. 

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris
Cowie
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 2:20 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

I have three boats for sale:

Boat 01: $20k as with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Lee's boat he sold to Susan who i
purchased it from and Gustavo has completed a partial restoration with new
centerboard gasket and seal, refurbished hull inside and out, all new
interior carpentry and finishes, new sink and pump and holding tank, new
electric jabsco head and holding tak, all new hoses, new bidge pump, all new
electrical wiring and electrical components including marine radio an
navigation, all new sails from Doyle, all new exterior hardware, new west
marine standard motor lift, outboard motor and more.  What is left to
complete is to paint the deck, replace the windows and assemble the
hardware.  Lee has first dibs on this boat.

Boat 02: $10k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $20k to
complete the restoration.  This is a 1980's vintage R22 ready for
restoration.

Boat 03:  $30k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Ellies boat that i purchased from her
that has a pedestal wheel and steering mechanism.  The current restoration
includes a complete refurbishing of the hull and deck inside an out, all new
interior, all new exterior hardware, new standing rigging by dwyer, new
sails by doyle, new pedestal compass, new marine electronics including
navigation and radio, electric windless, LED navigation and interior lights.
Restoration work left to complete includes some interior carpentry work.

If you have read this far and are interested in any of these boats please
send me an email at [hidden email]




-----

Christopher P. Cowie      

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
Washington DC, 20016
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]

 

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:00:36 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:00:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <18fd01d73709$c9bb7d20$5d327760$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
 <005501d736ba$1a9fdba0$4fdf92e0$@ebsmed.com>
 <18fd01d73709$c9bb7d20$5d327760$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpTSjLHWxNH47dQ3pp6N3GUPVZADEWqS_Poswuw1==g5G6hrA@mail.gmail.com>

Charles sorry I didn?t get a chance to take any pictures today but will get
to it tomorrow.

Tks
John


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 7:55 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Thank you.  Looking forward to learning more about the R22 as my search
> continues.
>
> Charles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael D. Weisner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:25 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
> interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.
>
> Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
> lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
> our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
> invaluable, free advice is just that.
>
> Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
> an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charles Loftin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
>
>

From cgl817 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:11:35 2021
From: cgl817 at gmail.com (Charles Loftin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:11:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB5438627B0B1B9DF3479AC8D7D9479@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
 <SN6PR04MB5438627B0B1B9DF3479AC8D7D9479@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>

Charlie,

Thank you.

Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
I noticed several on the map in Texas. 
Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and find one around here. 

Charles



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Welcome Charles
I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington 

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman
98R22


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> New to the list and first post.
> 
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in 
> finding one for sale.
> 
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location 
> for the right fit/price.
> 
> 
> 
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking 
> around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on 
> sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  
> Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and 
> see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this 
> and interested in selling let me know!
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
> 


From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 20:14:58 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:14:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
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 <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>
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I moved my boat from Va. to NC with my 23? power boat trailer. It has
rollers and worked fine on the trip down.


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:11 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Thank you.
>
> Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
> I noticed several on the map in Texas.
> Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
> I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will
> bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
> Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping
> it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and
> find one around here.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charles Nieman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Welcome Charles
> I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charlie Nieman
> 98R22
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi,
> >
> > New to the list and first post.
> >
> > I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in
> > finding one for sale.
> >
> > I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location
> > for the right fit/price.
> >
> >
> >
> > Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking
> > around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on
> > sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.
> > Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and
> > see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this
> > and interested in selling let me know!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
> >
>
>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 21 21:01:55 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:01:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
 <SN6PR04MB5438627B0B1B9DF3479AC8D7D9479@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
 <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB54382E661F43D32AC129609DD9469@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I bought my 1st recycled boat from Stan. Drove up to get and hauled it back. Single axle trailer, no problem. Bought my current boat used from 2nd or 3rd owner. He lived on Horseshoe Bend. Much shorter drive. 

Richard on this list does delivery from General Boats. I think his charge is reasonable, but I?ve never needed to find out firsthand. 

I thought I was on the Rhodes map, but haven?t checked lately 

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman


> On Apr 21, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Charlie,
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
> I noticed several on the map in Texas. 
> Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
> I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
> Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and find one around here. 
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
> 
> Welcome Charles
> I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Charlie Nieman
> 98R22
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi,
>> 
>> New to the list and first post.
>> 
>> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in 
>> finding one for sale.
>> 
>> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location 
>> for the right fit/price.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking 
>> around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on 
>> sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  
>> Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and 
>> see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this 
>> and interested in selling let me know!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>> 
> 

From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 21:32:10 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjepKc2bNmndQCF8uY2fH5h8_u_kkM4V+F6-4_fNrHQxgw@mail.gmail.com>

I have an ?83 R22 with IMF (furling) mainsail, 130 furling genoa, 12V
chiller to cool your beverages, 14 watt solar panel & very reliable Johnson
Sailmaster 9.9 hp outboard. Sails & standing rigging are recent.  This is
not a project boat. Add bottom paint & sail.  On a trailer in MA.  Asking
price is $6,500.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee2
Needham, MA

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
> --
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 07:02:43 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 07:02:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
not make it to the new website gallery.

Todd T.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square
> cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick
> square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the
> trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will
> slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very
> strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have
> dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> > severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> > The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for
> the
> > previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> > previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> > additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of
> the
> > extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> > cause the failure.
> >
> > The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8"
> thick
> > steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would
> seem
> > to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
> >
> > So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm
> going
> > to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable
> class
> > 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar
> (rather
> > than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).
> >
> > I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Long Beach Island
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From cknell at vt.edu  Thu Apr 22 08:14:57 2021
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 05:14:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1619093697877-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Roger,

Thank you. That is helpful. Does your extension have a class 2 or class 3
coupling?

Chris



-----
Long Beach Island
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Apr 22 08:15:31 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:15:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69204D5DF95B8171E1ADC43480469@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Todd,

I doubt I have pictures that old; but, I?ll look around.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Todd Tavares<mailto:tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 7:03 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement

Roger,

Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
not make it to the new website gallery.

Todd T.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square
> cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick
> square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the
> trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will
> slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very
> strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have
> dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> > severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> > The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for
> the
> > previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> > previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> > additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of
> the
> > extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> > cause the failure.
> >
> > The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8"
> thick
> > steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would
> seem
> > to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
> >
> > So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm
> going
> > to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable
> class
> > 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar
> (rather
> > than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).
> >
> > I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Long Beach Island
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Apr 22 08:16:47 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:16:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <1619093697877-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <1619093697877-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920401BB9C776E0E21283CF80469@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Use a Class 3 hitch, Class 2 would be marginal at best.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Chris on LBI<mailto:cknell at vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 8:15 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement

Roger,

Thank you. That is helpful. Does your extension have a class 2 or class 3
coupling?

Chris



-----
Long Beach Island
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Apr 22 09:48:29 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:48:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4508508E-3D61-40A6-B28A-FE8931149F1E@sunnybeeches.com>

Here are a couple of pics from the archives:

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200308/16/CopyofSternViewLabeled.jpg

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200308/16/CopyofStarboardBowViewLabeled.jpg

I was able to find these pretty easily due to some work I?m doing to make the archives more accessible.  It?s not ready to be released yet, but I think this test case shows that it will be useful. 

Was there something more?

?Peter

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 7:02 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> 
> Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
> front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
> not make it to the new website gallery.
> 
> Todd T.
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Apr 22 11:08:10 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:08:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
In-Reply-To: <4508508E-3D61-40A6-B28A-FE8931149F1E@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <4508508E-3D61-40A6-B28A-FE8931149F1E@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920C8AF25B9CAC9D1D41F9E80469@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

Nice work finding these photos!  The only other relevant photo I can think of would be a shot of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium all rigged and ready to launch on its trailer at Sandusky, OH (Lake Erie). In the picture, the trailer has its tongue extension deployed and the tow vehicle is a red 1989 Ford Aerostar minivan.

My Lil Dude tandem axle boat trailer did not originally come with a tongue extension.  As you can see from the photos, I built a couple of stand-offs welded onto the tongue.  The height of these stand-offs are designed to cause the tongue extension to run at a downward slope towards the tow vehicle.  The tongue extension just clears the surge brake master cylinder and then ends up at the original ride height of the standard tongue at the trailer coupling.  This design has the advantage of not having any flexible hydraulic lines to accommodate the tongue extension.  The tongue extension stores in a custom rack under the trailer next to the keel bunks when the trailer is going down the road.

Also note the tow bar stowed (backwards) in the aft stand-off. This tow bar provides a total of 6? of extra lift vs the over the road tow bar.  The extra 6? of lift raises the bow to a better angle for launch/retrieval.

So, conversion from over the road involves:
1. Uncouple the trailer coupling
2. Remove the over the road tow bar
3. Install the launch/retrieval tow bar
4. Drive the tow vehicle forward about 15?
5. Install the tongue extension 
6. Back up the tow vehicle and couple the trailer
    coupling to the launch/retrieval tow bar.

Note, there is so little tongue weight and so much leverage with the tongue extension; that, the trailer coupling is easy to hook up.  As long as the tow bar is maneuvered anywhere close to the trailer coupling, it can be easily moved by hand over the ball.  In the over the road configuration, my trailer has a tongue weight of about 350 lbs. Trailer hookup isn?t possible without the tongue jack and careful tow vehicle positioning.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 9:49 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Here are a couple of pics from the archives:
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200308/16/CopyofSternViewLabeled.jpg
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200308/16/CopyofStarboardBowViewLabeled.jpg
> 
> I was able to find these pretty easily due to some work I?m doing to make the archives more accessible.  It?s not ready to be released yet, but I think this test case shows that it will be useful. 
> 
> Was there something more?
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 7:02 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger,
>> 
>> Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
>> front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
>> not make it to the new website gallery.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 15:46:59 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Mike McKay)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:46:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
Message-ID: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.  

My questions are: 

1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.

2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?

Thank you,

Mike McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 16:35:55 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:35:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
In-Reply-To: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mvKFGewsCtNEG5EDsH+eUJXHwZ80utwr_pyke40pO2ULQ@mail.gmail.com>

The instructions that came with my unit that I installed a few months ago
were sparse. I found instructions for an earlier model (written by the
engineers at Nicro before the company was sold to Marinco) that suggested
silicone sealant on both sides of the gasket. Those earlier instructions
did not mention the larger gasket that came with the unit (and whose
purpose I don't understand) but you could use the same approach (sealant on
both sides).
Good luck
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 3:47 PM Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
> vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
> bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
> Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.
>
> 2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Apr 24 21:26:59 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:26:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
In-Reply-To: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <009e01d73972$18071010$48153030$@ca>

I use butyl tape for everything above the waterline that does not require an
adhesive wich is just about everything. It is easy to work with, never
hardens up or sets so you can take your time, gives a great seal and will
allow for easy removal. And, it doesn't contaminate the deck as is the case
with silicone.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Mike McKay
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 3:47 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation

I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.  

My questions are: 

1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.

2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?

Thank you,

Mike McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018




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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sat Apr 24 21:54:04 2021
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:54:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
In-Reply-To: <009e01d73972$18071010$48153030$@ca>
References: <1619293619771-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <009e01d73972$18071010$48153030$@ca>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5AQN=xjRkevGW129tZjTEUYyzEQwR2uGL+Po51ttCLDMng@mail.gmail.com>

What Graham said.

Mark Whipple
2000 R22
Nimble 30 yawl (under agreement!)
Com-Pac 16 (soon to be on the market)

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I use butyl tape for everything above the waterline that does not require
> an
> adhesive wich is just about everything. It is easy to work with, never
> hardens up or sets so you can take your time, gives a great seal and will
> allow for easy removal. And, it doesn't contaminate the deck as is the case
> with silicone.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Mike McKay
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 3:47 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
>
> I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
> vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
> bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
> Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.
>
> 2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From leonardojve at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 11:23:32 2021
From: leonardojve at yahoo.com (Leonardo J. Velazquez)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
References: <516A7580-9088-4551-BCD9-1503462A82CD.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516A7580-9088-4551-BCD9-1503462A82CD@yahoo.com>


Leonardo J. Velazquez

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From Leonardojve at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 11:38:13 2021
From: Leonardojve at yahoo.com (Leonardojve)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:38:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1619365093448-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello,

I am selling my 1988 Rhodes 22 located in Westport MASS. Let me know if you
would like more information.









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From John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 11:42:21 2021
From: John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com (JohnF)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:42:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <516A7580-9088-4551-BCD9-1503462A82CD@yahoo.com>
References: <516A7580-9088-4551-BCD9-1503462A82CD@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1619365341354-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Please send details to Jon.m.fowlkes at gmil.com 
Thanks,
John



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From John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 11:47:08 2021
From: John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com (John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:47:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <1560282027.597875.1619365628235.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>

Please send details on the boat and location. 
Thanks,
John


<quote author='Rhodes 22 mailing list'>

Leonardo J. Velazquez

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copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you received this
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From John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 11:47:24 2021
From: John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com (John.m.fowlkes at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:47:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <776056386.597889.1619365644912.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>

Please send details on the boat and location. 
Thanks,
John


<quote author='Rhodes 22 mailing list'>

Leonardo J. Velazquez

PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This document and the information contained
herein are confidential and protected from disclosure pursuant to Federal
law. This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may
contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the use, dissemination, or
copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you received this
communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its
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From Leonardojve at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 11:55:37 2021
From: Leonardojve at yahoo.com (Leonardojve at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:55:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale ($4,000) in Massachusetts
Message-ID: <95408492.597993.1619366137715.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>

I am selling my 1988 Rhodes 22, located in Westport, MA.

It comes with 2 good sails (the in-mast furling Main sail & the roller-furling 155 Genoa from Bacon Sails in Annapolis).

It was bottom painted then used only 1 short season.

The interior & cushions are in good shape.

I bought it with a 1978 Evinrude 6 hp long-shaft outboard. Alternatively, I can sell it with a very good Yamaha 2-stroke 6 hp long-shaft outboard for an additional $600.

It comes with a 1988 Long brand double-axle trailer.

Contact me by email if interested.




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From Leonardojve at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 13:50:06 2021
From: Leonardojve at yahoo.com (Leonardojve at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:50:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale in Massachusetts
Message-ID: <1316982070.604854.1619373006437.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>

It comes with 2 good sails (an in-mast furling Main sail & roller-furling 155 Genoa from Bacon Sails in Annapolis).

It was bottom painted then used only 1 short season.

The interior & cushions are in good shape.

I bought it with a 1978 Evinrude 6 hp long-shaft outboard. Alternatively, I can sell it with a very good Yamaha 2-stroke 6 hp long-shaft outboard for an additional $600.

It comes with a 1988 Long brand double-axle trailer.

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From Leonardojve at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 14:11:22 2021
From: Leonardojve at yahoo.com (Leonardojve)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:11:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <1560282027.597875.1619365628235.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1560282027.597875.1619365628235.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1619374282066-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am selling my 1988 Rhodes 22, located in Westport, MA. 

It comes with 2 good sails (the in-mast furling Main sail & the
roller-furling 155 Genoa from Bacon Sails in Annapolis). 

It was bottom painted then used only 1 short season. 

The interior & cushions are in good shape. 

I bought it with a 1978 Evinrude 6 hp long-shaft outboard. Alternatively, I
can sell it with a very good Yamaha 2-stroke 6 hp long-shaft outboard for an
additional $600. 

It comes with a 1988 Long brand double-axle trailer. 

Contact me by email if interested. 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t878/IMG_7013_%281%29.jpeg> 



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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 00:35:29 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 00:35:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AQN=xjRkevGW129tZjTEUYyzEQwR2uGL+Po51ttCLDMng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5AQN=xjRkevGW129tZjTEUYyzEQwR2uGL+Po51ttCLDMng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD3EF2B0-F30B-4F06-915D-43CE75E7F7B4@gmail.com>

Thanks for that advice?I am also a butyl tape fan but the manufacturer instructions recommended silicon which is why I asked.  Butyl tape it will be!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> ?What Graham said.
> 
> Mark Whipple
> 2000 R22
> Nimble 30 yawl (under agreement!)
> Com-Pac 16 (soon to be on the market)
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I use butyl tape for everything above the waterline that does not require
>> an
>> adhesive wich is just about everything. It is easy to work with, never
>> hardens up or sets so you can take your time, gives a great seal and will
>> allow for easy removal. And, it doesn't contaminate the deck as is the case
>> with silicone.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike McKay
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 3:47 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
>> 
>> I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
>> vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
>> bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 
>> 1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
>> Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.
>> 
>> 2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
>> 

From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 04:25:29 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 04:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I would like to post my 1988 Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <1619374282066-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1560282027.597875.1619365628235.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>
 <1619374282066-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANpTSjJ5a9svu9fPjZ9pwAjbeGhi7mdOpBkOdyVfNwY1-ode9Q@mail.gmail.com>

What are u asking for the boat?

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 2:11 PM Leonardojve via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I am selling my 1988 Rhodes 22, located in Westport, MA.
>
> It comes with 2 good sails (the in-mast furling Main sail & the
> roller-furling 155 Genoa from Bacon Sails in Annapolis).
>
> It was bottom painted then used only 1 short season.
>
> The interior & cushions are in good shape.
>
> I bought it with a 1978 Evinrude 6 hp long-shaft outboard. Alternatively, I
> can sell it with a very good Yamaha 2-stroke 6 hp long-shaft outboard for
> an
> additional $600.
>
> It comes with a 1988 Long brand double-axle trailer.
>
> Contact me by email if interested.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t878/IMG_7013_%281%29.jpeg>
>
>
>
> --
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>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Apr 26 15:38:02 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 15:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
In-Reply-To: <AD3EF2B0-F30B-4F06-915D-43CE75E7F7B4@gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5AQN=xjRkevGW129tZjTEUYyzEQwR2uGL+Po51ttCLDMng@mail.gmail.com>
 <AD3EF2B0-F30B-4F06-915D-43CE75E7F7B4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013d01d73ad3$ad77d0a0$086771e0$@ca>

Michael:
I am inclined to follow the manufacturer's instructions. My understanding is that silicone is specified with plastic as the other sealants can make the plastic brittle. I don't think that plastic is affected by butyl but you might want to confirm that with the manufacturer. One good thing about butyl is that if it leaks it is easy to remove and replace with silicone. Completely removing silicone, on the other hand, is almost impossible.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael McKay
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:35 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation

Thanks for that advice?I am also a butyl tape fan but the manufacturer instructions recommended silicon which is why I asked.  Butyl tape it will be!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> ?What Graham said.
> 
> Mark Whipple
> 2000 R22
> Nimble 30 yawl (under agreement!)
> Com-Pac 16 (soon to be on the market)
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I use butyl tape for everything above the waterline that does not require
>> an
>> adhesive wich is just about everything. It is easy to work with, never
>> hardens up or sets so you can take your time, gives a great seal and will
>> allow for easy removal. And, it doesn't contaminate the deck as is the case
>> with silicone.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike McKay
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 3:47 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar vent installation
>> 
>> I'm planning on installing a Marinco (formerly Nicro) solar vent.  Their 3"
>> vent requires a 3-3/4" hole which is exactly the size of the hole for the
>> bow anchor deck plate, making that seem to be a very simple installation.
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 
>> 1) What sealant or adhesive did you use?  I was planning on using 3M
>> Silicone Sealant unless advised otherwise.
>> 
>> 2) Do you have any caveats about the installation process?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
>> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Apr 26 17:40:36 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (peter at sunnybeeches.com)
Date: 26 Apr 2021 22:40:36 +0100
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <E1lb8yn-000SDr-AU@mx135.antispamcloud.com>


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Apr 26 17:55:10 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <E1lb8yn-000SDr-AU@mx135.antispamcloud.com>
References: <E1lb8yn-000SDr-AU@mx135.antispamcloud.com>
Message-ID: <CB607559-2563-4BF5-83DA-F0CCDDD20640@sunnybeeches.com>

And it failed spectacularly.  

I?m working on way for list members to be able to send messages to the list from the rhodes22.org website.  I was actually testing attachments, but even the text failed to make it through mailman.  If I send emails directly to myself it works...

Back to the drawing board.

?Peter

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:40 PM, peter at sunnybeeches.com wrote:
> 


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon Apr 26 19:18:44 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CB607559-2563-4BF5-83DA-F0CCDDD20640@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <E1lb8yn-000SDr-AU@mx135.antispamcloud.com>
 <CB607559-2563-4BF5-83DA-F0CCDDD20640@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6skWDkCsrsa8LBbOEAvz_hFATJ5xLt6ZZA+_-shNsfow@mail.gmail.com>

If this was an emergency this message would follow with instructions to
find safety.

This is the end of the test.

Thanks Peter.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 4:56 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> And it failed spectacularly.
>
> I?m working on way for list members to be able to send messages to the
> list from the rhodes22.org website.  I was actually testing attachments,
> but even the text failed to make it through mailman.  If I send emails
> directly to myself it works...
>
> Back to the drawing board.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:40 PM, peter at sunnybeeches.com wrote:
> >
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 21:05:30 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CB607559-2563-4BF5-83DA-F0CCDDD20640@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <E1lb8yn-000SDr-AU@mx135.antispamcloud.com>
 <CB607559-2563-4BF5-83DA-F0CCDDD20640@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU2-uN_X6_ekMRkY0f_gDFeeA3JHAG9TH3uMN7pLpPNzw@mail.gmail.com>

Keep the quest going.
Chris Geankoplis

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 4:56 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> And it failed spectacularly.
>
> I?m working on way for list members to be able to send messages to the
> list from the rhodes22.org website.  I was actually testing attachments,
> but even the text failed to make it through mailman.  If I send emails
> directly to myself it works...
>
> Back to the drawing board.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:40 PM, peter at sunnybeeches.com wrote:
> >
>
>

From zooba72 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 27 01:37:30 2021
From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (Jim Ignatowski)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:37:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Everyone !  I just recently purchased a Rhodes 22 and the trailer bunk brackets are badly rusted.   It looks like where the bunk attaches is actually welded - but I can't tell for sure.  Has anyone had any experience replacing the brackets or plates that attach to the wood bunks?   I'll try to attach a picture that illustrates what I'm referring to.

Any information / suggestions would be appreciated.  I have a lot of work ahead of me with this boat, but looking forward to getting it in the water.

Thank you !
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 05:56:46 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:56:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMZiB6=VNtv9ZxsrF2DR9s+wB=c7hYoa6sUfXNKbbsHnw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Reverend Iggy...lol,

The brackets are welded and they are slotted.

Todd T.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 1:37 AM Jim Ignatowski <zooba72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone !  I just recently purchased a Rhodes 22 and the trailer
> bunk brackets are badly rusted.   It looks like where the bunk attaches is
> actually welded - but I can't tell for sure.  Has anyone had any experience
> replacing the brackets or plates that attach to the wood bunks?   I'll try
> to attach a picture that illustrates what I'm referring to.
>
> Any information / suggestions would be appreciated.  I have a lot of work
> ahead of me with this boat, but looking forward to getting it in the water.
>
> Thank you !
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Apr 27 06:35:05 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:35:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69201087C45F0828E5D62AE580419@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim,

The bracket is welded to the upright; but, bolted to the wooden bunk.  The bolts are a special type called carriage bolts.  Carriage bolts have a wide, rounded head that is designed to bite into the wooden bunk substrate and spread the load without using a washer.  When the bolt is tightened, the design causes the head to be pulled down into the wood so it doesn?t protrude above the surface and cause a hard bump under the bunk carpeting.  In addition, the head is prevented from turning in the wood, so you can tighten/untighten the bolt with just a wrench on the nut.  That is, unless the wood around the carriage bolt holes is starting to rot.  Then, the carriage bolt will spin when a wrench is applied to the nut.  If this happens, you can?t trust the wooden substrate anymore and the bunk must be replaced.  There is a lot of surface rust; but, the bracket looks like it is still probably structurally sound.  You won?t know for sure until you take it apart, clean up the rust, and inspect it.  But, you certainly need to protect it or it won?t be long before it becomes structurally unsafe.  I like a penetrating oil called Kroil for breaking rusty bolts loose.  But, you need to have the boat off the trailer before you start messing about with the bolts that secure the bunks to the trailer.  Otherwise, your boat could be arrested for vagrancy ? no visible means of support!  ;-]

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Jim Ignatowski<mailto:zooba72 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:37 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets

Hello Everyone !  I just recently purchased a Rhodes 22 and the trailer bunk brackets are badly rusted.   It looks like where the bunk attaches is actually welded - but I can't tell for sure.  Has anyone had any experience replacing the brackets or plates that attach to the wood bunks?   I'll try to attach a picture that illustrates what I'm referring to.

Any information / suggestions would be appreciated.  I have a lot of work ahead of me with this boat, but looking forward to getting it in the water.

Thank you !
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Apr 27 07:41:17 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69201087C45F0828E5D62AE580419@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB79369344C978CC3195F27E89B3419@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69201087C45F0828E5D62AE580419@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5uyLgqj1gEGnTCFt28cp0q=EXg8PpD=JWqwxam39=znQ@mail.gmail.com>

Rodger summed it up.pretty well as I would have.

I dropped my boat square onto one of the guide bunks and broke it off...
 Grind, grind ,grind, weld, weld, paint paint, reassemble.

I used a 2x6 and ripped it to dimension for a new board.  Used the same
carpet.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:35 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> The bracket is welded to the upright; but, bolted to the wooden bunk.  The
> bolts are a special type called carriage bolts.  Carriage bolts have a
> wide, rounded head that is designed to bite into the wooden bunk substrate
> and spread the load without using a washer.  When the bolt is tightened,
> the design causes the head to be pulled down into the wood so it doesn?t
> protrude above the surface and cause a hard bump under the bunk carpeting.
> In addition, the head is prevented from turning in the wood, so you can
> tighten/untighten the bolt with just a wrench on the nut.  That is, unless
> the wood around the carriage bolt holes is starting to rot.  Then, the
> carriage bolt will spin when a wrench is applied to the nut.  If this
> happens, you can?t trust the wooden substrate anymore and the bunk must be
> replaced.  There is a lot of surface rust; but, the bracket looks like it
> is still probably structurally sound.  You won?t know for sure until you
> take it apart, clean up the rust, and inspect it.  But, you certainly need
> to protect it or it won?t be long before it becomes structurally unsafe.  I
> like a penetrating oil called Kroil for breaking rusty bolts loose.  But,
> you need to have the boat off the trailer before you start messing about
> with the bolts that secure the bunks to the trailer.  Otherwise, your boat
> could be arrested for vagrancy ? no visible means of support!  ;-]
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Jim Ignatowski<mailto:zooba72 at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:37 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
>
> Hello Everyone !  I just recently purchased a Rhodes 22 and the trailer
> bunk brackets are badly rusted.   It looks like where the bunk attaches is
> actually welded - but I can't tell for sure.  Has anyone had any experience
> replacing the brackets or plates that attach to the wood bunks?   I'll try
> to attach a picture that illustrates what I'm referring to.
>
> Any information / suggestions would be appreciated.  I have a lot of work
> ahead of me with this boat, but looking forward to getting it in the water.
>
> Thank you !
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Apr 27 10:24:08 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 07:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <E1lbOdE-009oWq-Ej@s152.servername.online>

Another try.  No attachment, just text for now. 
This is from PHP, the last test was from javascript.

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Apr 27 10:29:40 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <E1lbOdE-009oWq-Ej@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lbOdE-009oWq-Ej@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6eT3ttvXb0xSOS_+sab3P7M=qEi4e=skUr_StyJu09xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes received

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 9:24 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Another try.  No attachment, just text for now.
> This is from PHP, the last test was from javascript.
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Apr 27 15:00:53 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <E1lbSx3-00Bdcd-MK@s152.servername.online>

Another try.  No attachment, just text for now. 
This is from PHP, the last test was from javascript.

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 17:33:48 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6eT3ttvXb0xSOS_+sab3P7M=qEi4e=skUr_StyJu09xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lbOdE-009oWq-Ej@s152.servername.online>
 <CAEqJHY6eT3ttvXb0xSOS_+sab3P7M=qEi4e=skUr_StyJu09xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXCBczt0mYZ3KwYhm5Q_NfjHagSmoA2dWP0z82zkCYzaw@mail.gmail.com>

Yarp.  Got it.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosios

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:29 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Yes received
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 9:24 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> > Another try.  No attachment, just text for now.
> > This is from PHP, the last test was from javascript.
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 17:35:36 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <E1lbSx3-00Bdcd-MK@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lbSx3-00Bdcd-MK@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVW7v+jZ6up9r5q95+yz+ZVS4kuAeSs5aMX111dskf6nw@mail.gmail.com>

got this one too
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:01 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Another try.  No attachment, just text for now.
> This is from PHP, the last test was from javascript.
>

From liznray15 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 17:48:54 2021
From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:48:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
References: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQT4E8a6YSC5gy2mOMg5=3RSwciCTNhLCbFwXFmE4htm5gEHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Charles,

I have a 1995 for sale. This boat is set up for day and cruising. It may be
one of the best equipped Rhoads 22 available. I will reimburse for new
batteries.

Inventory list to my best recall is attached. Sold As is. $21,000.





On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
>

From zooba72 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 28 01:57:37 2021
From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (Jim Ignatowski)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:57:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB79365E577FC7F105E8126CB7B3409@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Everyone - I'm hoping that my reply finds its way back to the correct thread via the subject line.

I really appreciate the detailed responses.  I've replaced the bunks on my Load Rite trailer, but they use galvanized brackets which can be purchased, and they're not welded, I simply attach them to the frame via stainless steel bolts.   I'm curious where one might find the plate that is welded to the upright and attaches to the bunk?  Is that something that I need to have manufactured at a machine shop ?

I'm definitely working towards getting this launched so I can address the issues with the trailer.   I may try to locate some sailboat stands to provide support while I'm working on the boat.   I suspect that I'll be submitting multiple questions to this list regarding some other areas of the boat that need attention.   I really appreciate the help!  Thank you !

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 06:08:14 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 06:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB79365E577FC7F105E8126CB7B3409@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB79365E577FC7F105E8126CB7B3409@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOc6+-CSpHn-Kg+KJGYsxKQTdsMdRHsh9cRwwx7D+fzgw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I've found in the past that home improvement stores like Lowe's or Home
Depot carry big galvanized brackets for building and attaching floating
dock pontoons, that you can cut down and use. They also sell galvanized
steel brackets in the hardware section too.
You could also source trailer parts online. Champion Trailers is one such
source.
There are also drawings in the archives showing the trailer bracket and
some showing the approximate angles they are attached; based on a Triad
trailer. I think I drew them in terms of rise/run, but I can get my angle
guages and go out back and check if you need exact measurements. I dont use
the triad trailer. I bolted adjustable angle brackets on my other trailer
and locked the angle after loading the boat and getting the bunks flat
against the hull.

Todd T

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 1:57 AM Jim Ignatowski <zooba72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Everyone - I'm hoping that my reply finds its way back to the
> correct thread via the subject line.
>
> I really appreciate the detailed responses.  I've replaced the bunks on my
> Load Rite trailer, but they use galvanized brackets which can be purchased,
> and they're not welded, I simply attach them to the frame via stainless
> steel bolts.   I'm curious where one might find the plate that is welded to
> the upright and attaches to the bunk?  Is that something that I need to
> have manufactured at a machine shop ?
>
> I'm definitely working towards getting this launched so I can address the
> issues with the trailer.   I may try to locate some sailboat stands to
> provide support while I'm working on the boat.   I suspect that I'll be
> submitting multiple questions to this list regarding some other areas of
> the boat that need attention.   I really appreciate the help!  Thank you !
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Apr 28 10:06:30 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:06:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMOc6+-CSpHn-Kg+KJGYsxKQTdsMdRHsh9cRwwx7D+fzgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB79365E577FC7F105E8126CB7B3409@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CAB-twMOc6+-CSpHn-Kg+KJGYsxKQTdsMdRHsh9cRwwx7D+fzgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920A98ABBD9A0C3B7020B8D80409@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jim,

The part you want for your boat trailer is sold on-line at Defender Marine ( www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com> ) and West Marine ( www.westmarine.com<http://www.westmarine.com> ).  It?s called a Swivel Bolster Bracket Assembly, the MoC is galvanized steel, and it?s available in 3 different sizes to fit different trailers.  The cost per bracket will be $15 to $19 each, depending on the size.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Todd Tavares<mailto:tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 6:08 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets

Jim,
I've found in the past that home improvement stores like Lowe's or Home
Depot carry big galvanized brackets for building and attaching floating
dock pontoons, that you can cut down and use. They also sell galvanized
steel brackets in the hardware section too.
You could also source trailer parts online. Champion Trailers is one such
source.
There are also drawings in the archives showing the trailer bracket and
some showing the approximate angles they are attached; based on a Triad
trailer. I think I drew them in terms of rise/run, but I can get my angle
guages and go out back and check if you need exact measurements. I dont use
the triad trailer. I bolted adjustable angle brackets on my other trailer
and locked the angle after loading the boat and getting the bunks flat
against the hull.

Todd T

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 1:57 AM Jim Ignatowski <zooba72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Everyone - I'm hoping that my reply finds its way back to the
> correct thread via the subject line.
>
> I really appreciate the detailed responses.  I've replaced the bunks on my
> Load Rite trailer, but they use galvanized brackets which can be purchased,
> and they're not welded, I simply attach them to the frame via stainless
> steel bolts.   I'm curious where one might find the plate that is welded to
> the upright and attaches to the bunk?  Is that something that I need to
> have manufactured at a machine shop ?
>
> I'm definitely working towards getting this launched so I can address the
> issues with the trailer.   I may try to locate some sailboat stands to
> provide support while I'm working on the boat.   I suspect that I'll be
> submitting multiple questions to this list regarding some other areas of
> the boat that need attention.   I really appreciate the help!  Thank you !
>


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 14:02:33 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <E1lboW9-005sdP-AD@s152.servername.online>

Attempting an attachment again...

--Peter

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 17:35:16 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:35:16 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <6089d5149b5490.07871194@tcp://mail.sunnybeeches.com>

Another attempt to send an attachment...


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 17:48:17 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:48:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sending this from google mail just for comparison purposes...
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From cgl817 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 17:53:35 2021
From: cgl817 at gmail.com (Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <6089d568.1c69fb81.535f0.87c6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <6089d568.1c69fb81.535f0.87c6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A28E777C-062D-44D1-9E67-4008F4D79333@gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
Thank you but I just bought another boat.
The Rhodes are beautiful, you won?t have trouble selling it.

Charles

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another attempt to send an attachment...
> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Apr 28 18:00:09 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>

This one worked.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Sending this from google mail just for comparison purposes...
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> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 20:26:53 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 19:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVmdyQ1VMi5x0Ffso0aqKX8Fd_TNie+pYtPeo7z9in8Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Where did you get that picture of a handsome Rhodie?

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> This one worked.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> > Sending this from google mail just for comparison purposes...
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > Name: member_261.jpg
> > Type: image/jpeg
> > Size: 154981 bytes
> > Desc: not available
> > URL: <
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/7ac486e0/attachment.jpg
> > >
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 20:34:05 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVmdyQ1VMi5x0Ffso0aqKX8Fd_TNie+pYtPeo7z9in8Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiVmdyQ1VMi5x0Ffso0aqKX8Fd_TNie+pYtPeo7z9in8Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <664D2280-CBEA-453D-A137-E03816C56655@sunnybeeches.com>

Chris,

When you spend too much time stumbling around in the archives, you?ll trip over all kinds of junk.

Tom,

That one only worked because I sent it from gmail, not from the web site I?m trying to develop for Rhodes22.org.  I?m hoping it will help me discover why the attachments I send from the website don?t make it through Mailman.

?Peter

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Where did you get that picture of a handsome Rhodie?
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
>> This one worked.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sending this from google mail just for comparison purposes...
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>> Name: member_261.jpg
>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>> Size: 154981 bytes
>>> Desc: not available
>>> URL: <
>>> 
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 20:55:58 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVmdyQ1VMi5x0Ffso0aqKX8Fd_TNie+pYtPeo7z9in8Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>
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I thought I knew that pirate.
Shawn
s/ v Sweet Baboo




On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 5:27 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Where did you get that picture of a handsome Rhodie?
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > This one worked.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 21:03:53 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:03:53 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
Message-ID: <E1lbv5t-008W3g-Qw@s152.servername.online>

I've tweaked the headers a little bit.  Fingers crossed...



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 21:04:56 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
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This time I'll actually attach a file... 


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From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 21:10:35 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:10:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
References: <MN2PR17MB369397A896AADD02016CC743D3409@MN2PR17MB3693.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com>

I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
> 
> ?
> Hello Mr. Polise,
>  
> Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>  
> Best wishes,
> Mike Orro
> Triad Trailers LLC
> 5831 Triangle Drive
> Raleigh NC 27617
> Phone: 919.782.6007
> Fax: 919.782.6009
> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
> Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
> Subject: Polise trailer
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 21:10:51 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <E1lbv6u-008WKE-4Y@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lbv6u-008WKE-4Y@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CE8E857B-76E5-4E17-9828-CA811DDDFF93@sunnybeeches.com>

Well GOLLLY!  It actually worked!

And who is that handsome fellow?

Thanks for your patience.  There will be more testing later, but not tonight.

Progress continues.

?Peter

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 21:18:06 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com>
References: <MN2PR17MB369397A896AADD02016CC743D3409@MN2PR17MB3693.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
 <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A9807876-19B5-4755-B9B4-82FF5786E625@sunnybeeches.com>

Tom,

I do not remove my outboard when towing.  Your bow ?stop? is definitely further ?aft? than mine.  My boat?s stem is pretty close to the spare tire.  I can measure tomorrow if you?d like.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:10 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>> 
>> ?
>> Hello Mr. Polise,
>> 
>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Mike Orro
>> Triad Trailers LLC
>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>> Raleigh NC 27617
>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>> Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Subject: Polise trailer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From mike at traildesign.com  Wed Apr 28 21:23:13 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
In-Reply-To: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com>
References: <MN2PR17MB369397A896AADD02016CC743D3409@MN2PR17MB3693.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
 <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>

Thomas. I almost always tow with my motor still attached to the stern. I
have a special system of ratchet straps to hold it in place and take any
strain off the mount. Looking at your photos (good looking boat, by the
way!) and comparing to my boat on the same Triad trailer, mine sits about
10" -12" farther forward on the trailer than yours. I've spent quite a bit
of time moving the boat around to find the "sweet spot" and where I have it
seems to be just about right. I can measure from the upright that holds the
adjustable bow chock to the bow of the boat if that helps.


Michael Riter
SV EmmaB



On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with
> the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this
> problem and resolved without having to take motor off?
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
> > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
> > To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> > Subject: RE: Polise trailer
> >
> > ?
> > Hello Mr. Polise,
> >
> > Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to
> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a
> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear
> to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off
> the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the
> boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s
> going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the
> trailer.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Mike Orro
> > Triad Trailers LLC
> > 5831 Triangle Drive
> > Raleigh NC 27617
> > Phone: 919.782.6007
> > Fax: 919.782.6009
> > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
> > Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
> > To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
> > Subject: Polise trailer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Apr 28 21:57:34 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <A9807876-19B5-4755-B9B4-82FF5786E625@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <A9807876-19B5-4755-B9B4-82FF5786E625@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <4834CC8E-1490-44A9-9E35-32E76A564F03@verizon.net>

Stan moved the boat forward as much as possible plus I loaded gear in the V birth, I ended up with 200 plus pounds of tongue weight. I had no motor at the time so your situation might be different.
Scott 86? Rhodes 22

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Tom,
> 
> I do not remove my outboard when towing.  Your bow ?stop? is definitely further ?aft? than mine.  My boat?s stem is pretty close to the spare tire.  I can measure tomorrow if you?d like.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:10 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hello Mr. Polise,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Mike Orro
>>> Triad Trailers LLC
>>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>>> Raleigh NC 27617
>>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>>> Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>> Subject: Polise trailer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 22:12:21 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:12:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <4834CC8E-1490-44A9-9E35-32E76A564F03@verizon.net>
References: <4834CC8E-1490-44A9-9E35-32E76A564F03@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3106B42B-4BBF-42E1-88D5-AAB35C51525C@aol.com>

I don?t know how I would move boat forward as the bunks are fixed.  

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:57 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Stan moved the boat forward as much as possible plus I loaded gear in the V birth, I ended up with 200 plus pounds of tongue weight. I had no motor at the time so your situation might be different.
> Scott 86? Rhodes 22
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Tom,
>> 
>> I do not remove my outboard when towing.  Your bow ?stop? is definitely further ?aft? than mine.  My boat?s stem is pretty close to the spare tire.  I can measure tomorrow if you?d like.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:10 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>>>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hello Mr. Polise,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Mike Orro
>>>> Triad Trailers LLC
>>>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>>>> Raleigh NC 27617
>>>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>>>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>>>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>>>> Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>>>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>>> Subject: Polise trailer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 22:13:47 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0DF250-621E-4DE1-837C-620CF2EA2DBF@aol.com>

Thanks! But my bunks seem fixed, I don?t know I could move forward any further.  

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thomas. I almost always tow with my motor still attached to the stern. I have a special system of ratchet straps to hold it in place and take any strain off the mount. Looking at your photos (good looking boat, by the way!) and comparing to my boat on the same Triad trailer, mine sits about 10" -12" farther forward on the trailer than yours. I've spent quite a bit of time moving the boat around to find the "sweet spot" and where I have it seems to be just about right. I can measure from the upright that holds the adjustable bow chock to the bow of the boat if that helps. 
> 
> 
> Michael Riter
> SV EmmaB
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> > From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>> > To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> > Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>> > 
>> > ?
>> > Hello Mr. Polise,
>> >  
>> > Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>> >  
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Mike Orro
>> > Triad Trailers LLC
>> > 5831 Triangle Drive
>> > Raleigh NC 27617
>> > Phone: 919.782.6007
>> > Fax: 919.782.6009
>> > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>> > Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>> >  
>> >  
>> >  
>> > From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>> > To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> > Subject: Polise trailer
>> >  
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Apr 28 22:15:05 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
In-Reply-To: <4D0DF250-621E-4DE1-837C-620CF2EA2DBF@aol.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Thomas,

Pull the boat further forward on the bunks. The bunks do not need to be moved.

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:14 PM
To: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer

Thanks! But my bunks seem fixed, I don?t know I could move forward any further.  

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thomas. I almost always tow with my motor still attached to the stern. I have a special system of ratchet straps to hold it in place and take any strain off the mount. Looking at your photos (good looking boat, by the way!) and comparing to my boat on the same Triad trailer, mine sits about 10" -12" farther forward on the trailer than yours. I've spent quite a bit of time moving the boat around to find the "sweet spot" and where I have it seems to be just about right. I can measure from the upright that holds the adjustable bow chock to the bow of the boat if that helps. 
> 
> 
> Michael Riter
> SV EmmaB
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> > From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>> > To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> > Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>> > 
>> > ?
>> > Hello Mr. Polise,
>> >  
>> > Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>> >  
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Mike Orro
>> > Triad Trailers LLC
>> > 5831 Triangle Drive
>> > Raleigh NC 27617
>> > Phone: 919.782.6007
>> > Fax: 919.782.6009
>> > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>> > Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>> >  
>> >  
>> >  
>> > From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>> > To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> > Subject: Polise trailer
>> >  
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 28 22:29:29 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:29:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
In-Reply-To: <00d101d73c9d$79aad5d0$6d008170$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4D0DF250-621E-4DE1-837C-620CF2EA2DBF@aol.com>,
 <00d101d73c9d$79aad5d0$6d008170$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB54384D192C2D88CB609ADAE7D95F9@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thomas
You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water, then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:15 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> Pull the boat further forward on the bunks. The bunks do not need to be moved.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Windlass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:14 PM
> To: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
> 
> Thanks! But my bunks seem fixed, I don?t know I could move forward any further.  
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Thomas. I almost always tow with my motor still attached to the stern. I have a special system of ratchet straps to hold it in place and take any strain off the mount. Looking at your photos (good looking boat, by the way!) and comparing to my boat on the same Triad trailer, mine sits about 10" -12" farther forward on the trailer than yours. I've spent quite a bit of time moving the boat around to find the "sweet spot" and where I have it seems to be just about right. I can measure from the upright that holds the adjustable bow chock to the bow of the boat if that helps. 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Riter
>> SV EmmaB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with the response that I needed to remove motor.   Has anyone else had this problem and resolved without having to take motor off? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>>>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hello Mr. Polise,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements.   According to the measurements, the trailer is built correctly.   I?ve attached a photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer.   The boats appear to be loaded in the same spot.  It looks like you have a motor hanging off the back of the boat.  Do you?  If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the boat as far forward as possible.   Other than this, I?m not sure what?s going on.  I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the trailer. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Mike Orro
>>>> Triad Trailers LLC
>>>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>>>> Raleigh NC 27617
>>>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>>>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>>>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>>>> Web:  www.TriadTrailers.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>>>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>>>> Subject: Polise trailer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr 28 22:49:58 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB54384D192C2D88CB609ADAE7D95F9@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4D0DF250-621E-4DE1-837C-620CF2EA2DBF@aol.com>
 <00d101d73c9d$79aad5d0$6d008170$@ebsmed.com>
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Message-ID: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>

I?ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ?bow bumper?.  I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still in the water.  As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat will increase.  This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases the likelihood of damage to the boat in transit.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thomas
> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water, then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Charles 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 23:19:51 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuPixHUdDi+FK8+_GKGn65rz1B6dX+m5JwRRW40G+J_8Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB4B9=KT-H5-xxjvEzPgzmu_awKF2M73gcV_Lqz-CaYynyPQZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY5xOx6KkTw3_xXunkpFd2ALVRt4YcOkoU6zTt3nwA70oA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiV10zu5cCcU5wWDTSRT3hYncOhDxeUo4MiLyaekdZ0_7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Arrgh!

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:56 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I knew that pirate.
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 5:27 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Where did you get that picture of a handsome Rhodie?
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This one worked.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sending this from google mail just for comparison purposes...
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> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 23:21:51 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CE8E857B-76E5-4E17-9828-CA811DDDFF93@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <E1lbv6u-008WKE-4Y@s152.servername.online>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiXhwKTw4TESvWX92Ejh9jt+roym-ADQtY6+Sv+EmF81cw@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations!  Soon you can send us the file to 3D print a Rhodes.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:11 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Well GOLLLY!  It actually worked!
>
> And who is that handsome fellow?
>
> Thanks for your patience.  There will be more testing later, but not
> tonight.
>
> Progress continues.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This time I'll actually attach a file...
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> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Apr 28 23:24:20 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXhwKTw4TESvWX92Ejh9jt+roym-ADQtY6+Sv+EmF81cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lbv6u-008WKE-4Y@s152.servername.online>
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Message-ID: <00d801d73ca7$25abcca0$710365e0$@ebsmed.com>

Just don't forget to send in your 10% ROC fee for 3D printed craft ;-)

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This is a test...

Congratulations!  Soon you can send us the file to 3D print a Rhodes.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:11 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Well GOLLLY!  It actually worked!
>
> And who is that handsome fellow?
>
> Thanks for your patience.  There will be more testing later, but not 
> tonight.
>
> Progress continues.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This time I'll actually attach a file...
> >
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> >
>
>


From mike at traildesign.com  Wed Apr 28 23:47:53 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-3qeEb1vSWvpga6V7Ffu3YYkbj+j2iWY+ePk+gsg-+-w@mail.gmail.com>
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I 2ND What Peter said

Michael Riter
SV EmmaB




On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:50 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> I?ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ?bow bumper?.  I?ll put my bow
> as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still in the water.  As
> Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out of the water, the
> space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat will increase.  This is
> inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving the ?bow bumper? closer
> to the boat at this point just increases the likelihood of damage to the
> boat in transit.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thomas
> > You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible,
> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of the
> water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it as close
> to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water, then you slide
> the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s tricky, and I?ve had
> to retry a few times but it can be done.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
>
>

From zooba72 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 29 00:30:37 2021
From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (Jim Ignatowski)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:30:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Trailer Bunk Brackets
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1384.1619093808.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1384.1619093808.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB7936ED2AE85EA75C40CEEF2CB35F9@SN6PR07MB7936.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks again everyone !   I really appreciate the help

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   2. Re: Replacement trailer (S/V Lark)
   3. Re: Replacement trailer (Steve Bauman)
   4. Re: Replacement trailer (Mike Riter)
   5. Re: Replacement trailer (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
   6. Re: Replacement trailer (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
   7. R22 Wanted (Charles Loftin)
   8. Re: R22 Wanted (John McLaughlin)
   9. Re: Replacement trailer (S/V Lark)
  10. Re: R22 Wanted (Michael D. Weisner)
  11. Re: R22 Wanted (Chris Cowie)
  12. Re: R22 Wanted (Charles Nieman)
  13. Trailer Extension Replacement (Chris on LBI)
  14. Re: Trailer Extension Replacement (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  15. Re: R22 Wanted (Charles Loftin)
  16. Re: R22 Wanted (Charles Loftin)
  17. Re: R22 Wanted (John McLaughlin)
  18. Re: R22 Wanted (Charles Loftin)
  19. Re: R22 Wanted (John McLaughlin)
  20. Re: R22 Wanted (Charles Nieman)
  21. Re: R22 Wanted (Stephen Staum)
  22. Re: Trailer Extension Replacement (Todd Tavares)
  23. Re: Trailer Extension Replacement (Chris on LBI)
  24. Re: Trailer Extension Replacement (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  25. Re: Trailer Extension Replacement (ROGER PIHLAJA)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:47:22 -0400
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID:
        <CADNTwiWwbAdgndXhNm3bamiZqjuWqYBBs5Nn3gUVz7AK9QOgrw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Sorry to hear the bad news. At least the boat wasn?t on the trailer. I?d
guess I?ve towed my various Rhodes well over 10K miles all on a single
axel. Easy to manually push around on flat driveway or pad. Never had a
flat. For what it is worth.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
> >
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:15:56 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID: <1618766156016-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?

All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
factory hitch.

I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.
Alex





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Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:03:10 -0400
From: Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID:
        <CANnt4UAZB_q_17qzP8u_OQcTaQMd7EvaCGDh7t7oBGhcEhTm-A at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I like my single axle trailer because it is MUCH easier to maneuver in
my backyard.  I also have a small power boat on a double axle trailer
that I have to turn 90 degrees to get it in and out of my garage
seasonally withOUT a tow vehicle because I don't have enough room for
that (so we use an electric trailer dolly) and it is a pain - it does
not want to turn.  However, I do not typically trailer either one any
substantial distance, so I can not comment on that aspect of it.

Steve Bauman, Sandusky Bay, Ohio

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 1:15 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?
>
> All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
> Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
> factory hitch.
>
> I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
> also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
> I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
> other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
> could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
> and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
> outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
> versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:05:19 -0400
From: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID:
        <CAAY+qo9ASxu45Mr2UXvu9v4FKQ9C_O9+W76vHDTv2WTohWaG3Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Sorry to hear about your trailer Alex. Glad you weren?t hurt.
I live in GA and trailer my boat all over from lake Winnebago in WI to the
FL keys. I have a single axle Triad. And while I really like Triad
trailers, I really wish mine was a tandem axle. If you?re just using it to
launch and recover once a season, then the single axle makes sense. But
over the road for any distance or frequency, tandem is the way to go.
They?re just more stable. Wear and tear is spread out over all four tires
so they tend to last longer especially if you can keep them out of the sun.

My .02

Mike
SV EmmaB


On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent and
> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I?ll have to drive to a
> North Carolina.
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
> >
> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
--
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID:
        <49715.24.140.30.102.1618799124.squirrel at quickpop.sssnet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

I agree with Mike. I got a single axle trailer when I bought Country
Rhodes. It was probably came with the boat. I'm sure the trailers made now
are a lot better than that 86 , but I was a whole lot happier with the
2004 double axel. The single axle had to have the boat all the way forward
and didn't like to go faster than 60 mph. Even at sixty, a big bump could
have the tail wagging the dog in a hurry. With the boat six Inches back,
you can reduce that to 55 mph.
  I've been following your adventures, and if you plan to keep on
trailer-sailing like you have been, a double axel will serve you well. I
can cruise at 70 mph, with the boat six inches back of the sweet spot,
with the duel axel trailer. That is being pulled with the same vehicle,
a 2002 Toyota 4Runner sport, with a V-8.


    Jerry Lowe






> Sorry to hear about your trailer Alex. Glad you weren???t hurt.
> I live in GA and trailer my boat all over from lake Winnebago in WI to the
> FL keys. I have a single axle Triad. And while I really like Triad
> trailers, I really wish mine was a tandem axle. If you???re just using it
> to
> launch and recover once a season, then the single axle makes sense. But
> over the road for any distance or frequency, tandem is the way to go.
> They???re just more stable. Wear and tear is spread out over all four
> tires
> so they tend to last longer especially if you can keep them out of the
> sun.
>
> My .02
>
> Mike
> SV EmmaB
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:35 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I got rear ended on the way back from launching.   The trailer is bent
>> and
>> will likely be totaled.  The tow vehicle appears undamaged.   After
>> insurance gets finished depreciating a five year trailer (yea, I know, a
>> fresh water trailer will last decades) I suspect I???ll have to drive to
>> a
>> North Carolina.
>> <
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/3A76C8F2-20B2-469A-B647-2BEA1419DE06.jpeg
>> >
>> Any thoughts on one axle vs two for road trips?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Alex Cole
>> S/V Lark
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:06:56 -0400
From: <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID: <019e01d7354f$2b07f7f0$8117e7d0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"

Alex -I don't know how to answer that question because I am fundamentally ignorant about trailers.  I can tell you it has one axle and that it can carry a Rhodes 22.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:16 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer

Bob.  How does your trailer compare to the triad?

All.   Thanks for the thoughts.    I?m very glad I didn?t lose /Lark/.    My
Explorer also looks unscathed.  Hopefully there?s no hidden damage to the
factory hitch.

I?m close to GVWR with boat, passenger, food and baggage.   Tow capacity is
also close to boat, anchors, motor, fuel and trailer weight.   I?m not sure
I want the weight of an extra axle with my current tow vehicle.   On the
other hand, perfect boat balance is essential.   Loss of a tire at speed
could be ugly and top speed is limited to 63 mph depending on boat placement
and semi turbulence.   Barring accident, the replacement trailer will far
outlast my tow vehicle.  I was curious if anybody has towed both trailer
versions with the same vehicle to compare how the rig behaves.
Alex





-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:29:16 -0500
From: "Charles Loftin" <cgl817 at gmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <17da01d73623$d643c5c0$82cb5140$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.



Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!



Thank you,



Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:37:53 -0400
From: John McLaughlin <jamcando126 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <CANpTSjJ9d6TGF14AyvfM-uwxSLQV9nQA_LYaD8odwBzPsmOPjg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I have two R22?s and 1 Island Packet 26 and would be willing to sell either
R22 or both.
I do not have a trailer for either.
You can call me to discuss either at 1-609-385-7039.
Tks
John

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
>

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:11:59 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement trailer
Message-ID: <1618953119798-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Bob
I'm still messing with insurance delays, they haven't found somebody to
appraise it.  They also think I should be able to find somebody to repair
it, but they don't actually know anybody.   It may be a while before I'm
actually in the position to replace (used or new).   You're almost as far
from me Raleigh.   In the mean time, what do you want for yours?   What is
needed to make it road worthy (tires, bearings, breaks, lights, etc).  I
assume the axle has six lug nuts?

You can email me off list at Colealexander at hotmail.com

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:24:55 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <005501d736ba$1a9fdba0$4fdf92e0$@ebsmed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Hi Charles,

Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.

Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
invaluable, free advice is just that.

Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Charles Loftin
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.



Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!



Thank you,



Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:20:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <1619032829070-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I have three boats for sale:

Boat 01: $20k as with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete
the restoration.  This was Lee's boat he sold to Susan who i purchased it
from and Gustavo has completed a partial restoration with new centerboard
gasket and seal, refurbished hull inside and out, all new interior carpentry
and finishes, new sink and pump and holding tank, new electric jabsco head
and holding tak, all new hoses, new bidge pump, all new electrical wiring
and electrical components including marine radio an navigation, all new
sails from Doyle, all new exterior hardware, new west marine standard motor
lift, outboard motor and more.  What is left to complete is to paint the
deck, replace the windows and assemble the hardware.  Lee has first dibs on
this boat.

Boat 02: $10k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $20k to
complete the restoration.  This is a 1980's vintage R22 ready for
restoration.

Boat 03:  $30k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Ellies boat that i purchased from her
that has a pedestal wheel and steering mechanism.  The current restoration
includes a complete refurbishing of the hull and deck inside an out, all new
interior, all new exterior hardware, new standing rigging by dwyer, new
sails by doyle, new pedestal compass, new marine electronics including
navigation and radio, electric windless, LED navigation and interior lights.
Restoration work left to complete includes some interior carpentry work.

If you have read this far and are interested in any of these boats please
send me an email at [hidden email]




-----

Christopher P. Cowie

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
Washington DC, 20016
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:51:51 +0000
From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <SN6PR04MB5438627B0B1B9DF3479AC8D7D9479 at SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Welcome Charles
I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman
98R22


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:58:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID: <1619038720467-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for the
previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of the
extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
cause the failure.

The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8" thick
steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would seem
to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?

So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm going
to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable class
3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar (rather
than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).

I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.

Thanks,
Chris



-----
Long Beach Island
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:07:34 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID:
        <CH2PR02MB69204B4B52B333AD3794CB7080479 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Chris,

My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for the
> previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of the
> extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> cause the failure.
>
> The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8" thick
> steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would seem
> to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
>
> So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm going
> to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable class
> 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar (rather
> than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).
>
> I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:55:19 -0500
From: "Charles Loftin" <cgl817 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <18fd01d73709$c9bb7d20$5d327760$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Michael,

Thank you.  Looking forward to learning more about the R22 as my search
continues.

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:25 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi Charles,

Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.

Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
invaluable, free advice is just that.

Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Charles Loftin
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Hi,

New to the list and first post.

I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding one
for sale.

I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for the
right fit/price.



Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly, I
was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
me know!



Thank you,



Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:00:10 -0500
From: "Charles Loftin" <cgl817 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <190001d7370a$76c128d0$64437a70$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Chris,

Thank you. #2 is more inline with my budget. I'm learning about the recycled
variations and think that's a great idea.

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris
Cowie
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 2:20 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

I have three boats for sale:

Boat 01: $20k as with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Lee's boat he sold to Susan who i
purchased it from and Gustavo has completed a partial restoration with new
centerboard gasket and seal, refurbished hull inside and out, all new
interior carpentry and finishes, new sink and pump and holding tank, new
electric jabsco head and holding tak, all new hoses, new bidge pump, all new
electrical wiring and electrical components including marine radio an
navigation, all new sails from Doyle, all new exterior hardware, new west
marine standard motor lift, outboard motor and more.  What is left to
complete is to paint the deck, replace the windows and assemble the
hardware.  Lee has first dibs on this boat.

Boat 02: $10k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $20k to
complete the restoration.  This is a 1980's vintage R22 ready for
restoration.

Boat 03:  $30k as is with a suggested budget by the purchaser of $10k to
complete the restoration.  This was Ellies boat that i purchased from her
that has a pedestal wheel and steering mechanism.  The current restoration
includes a complete refurbishing of the hull and deck inside an out, all new
interior, all new exterior hardware, new standing rigging by dwyer, new
sails by doyle, new pedestal compass, new marine electronics including
navigation and radio, electric windless, LED navigation and interior lights.
Restoration work left to complete includes some interior carpentry work.

If you have read this far and are interested in any of these boats please
send me an email at [hidden email]




-----

Christopher P. Cowie

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
Washington DC, 20016
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:00:36 -0400
From: John McLaughlin <jamcando126 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <CANpTSjLHWxNH47dQ3pp6N3GUPVZADEWqS_Poswuw1==g5G6hrA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Charles sorry I didn?t get a chance to take any pictures today but will get
to it tomorrow.

Tks
John


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 7:55 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Thank you.  Looking forward to learning more about the R22 as my search
> continues.
>
> Charles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael D. Weisner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:25 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Welcome to the list! I'm glad to see that you found the location mapper of
> interest. Please continue to explore the website and the archives.
>
> Ask any questions here. When it comes to the Rhodes 22, we have doctors,
> lawyers, experts, know-it-alls, newbies and, of course, Stan of GBI among
> our members. Please remember that while the responses are usually fast and
> invaluable, free advice is just that.
>
> Oh yes, many of our members are available at all hours and may even extend
> an invitation to sail with them or offer to drop by and help you.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charles Loftin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:29 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
>
>

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:11:35 -0500
From: "Charles Loftin" <cgl817 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID: <190201d7370c$0f5a9990$2e0fccb0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"

Charlie,

Thank you.

Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
I noticed several on the map in Texas.
Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and find one around here.

Charles



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted

Welcome Charles
I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman
98R22


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in
> finding one for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location
> for the right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking
> around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on
> sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.
> Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and
> see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this
> and interested in selling let me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:14:58 -0400
From: John McLaughlin <jamcando126 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <CANpTSjKtsoN9Zm-RWdtjKpkY3+F7bp6Uv1DkkJJX9R-tM8j+vw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I moved my boat from Va. to NC with my 23? power boat trailer. It has
rollers and worked fine on the trip down.


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:11 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Thank you.
>
> Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
> I noticed several on the map in Texas.
> Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
> I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will
> bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
> Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping
> it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and
> find one around here.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charles Nieman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Welcome Charles
> I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charlie Nieman
> 98R22
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi,
> >
> > New to the list and first post.
> >
> > I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in
> > finding one for sale.
> >
> > I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location
> > for the right fit/price.
> >
> >
> >
> > Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking
> > around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on
> > sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.
> > Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and
> > see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this
> > and interested in selling let me know!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
> >
>
>

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:01:55 +0000
From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <SN6PR04MB54382E661F43D32AC129609DD9469 at SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I bought my 1st recycled boat from Stan. Drove up to get and hauled it back. Single axle trailer, no problem. Bought my current boat used from 2nd or 3rd owner. He lived on Horseshoe Bend. Much shorter drive.

Richard on this list does delivery from General Boats. I think his charge is reasonable, but I?ve never needed to find out firsthand.

I thought I was on the Rhodes map, but haven?t checked lately

Sent from my iPhone

Charlie Nieman


> On Apr 21, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Charlie,
>
> Thank you.
>
> Great to know there are a few R22's around here!
> I noticed several on the map in Texas.
> Did you buy yours out of state and ship it down or drive it?
> I found a site where truckers with empty loads on their return trips will bid on your shipment just to have some profit for the return trip.
> Here in Texas, it's hard to find a good sailboat in this size so shipping it or driving it down is about the only option unless you get lucky and find one around here.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Nieman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
>
> Welcome Charles
> I have an R22 on Joe Pool Lake in Arlington
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charlie Nieman
> 98R22
>
>
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi,
>>
>> New to the list and first post.
>>
>> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in
>> finding one for sale.
>>
>> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location
>> for the right fit/price.
>>
>>
>>
>> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking
>> around the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on
>> sitting at the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.
>> Interestingly, I was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and
>> see that the owner is on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this
>> and interested in selling let me know!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>>
>

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:32:10 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Wanted
Message-ID:
        <CAOo_FjepKc2bNmndQCF8uY2fH5h8_u_kkM4V+F6-4_fNrHQxgw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I have an ?83 R22 with IMF (furling) mainsail, 130 furling genoa, 12V
chiller to cool your beverages, 14 watt solar panel & very reliable Johnson
Sailmaster 9.9 hp outboard. Sails & standing rigging are recent.  This is
not a project boat. Add bottom paint & sail.  On a trailer in MA.  Asking
price is $6,500.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee2
Needham, MA

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Charles Loftin <cgl817 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to the list and first post.
>
> I've recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and am very interested in finding
> one
> for sale.
>
> I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas but willing to look at any location for
> the
> right fit/price.
>
>
>
> Side note, I discovered the R22 a couple of weeks ago while looking around
> the marina at Eagle Mountain Lake in Fort Worth and saw one on sitting at
> the dock. I snapped a photo of it and started my research.  Interestingly,
> I
> was looking at the R22 Location Map on this site and see that the owner is
> on this list, She's a buauty! If you see this and interested in selling let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Charles Loftin | 817-307-1823
>
> --
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 07:02:43 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID:
        <CAB-twMPgvunaBdub2VygE99XMSV5E89CWu+1vwPiiCXicGC5=g at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Roger,

Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
not make it to the new website gallery.

Todd T.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square
> cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick
> square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the
> trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will
> slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very
> strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have
> dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> > severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> > The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for
> the
> > previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> > previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> > additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of
> the
> > extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> > cause the failure.
> >
> > The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8"
> thick
> > steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would
> seem
> > to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
> >
> > So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm
> going
> > to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable
> class
> > 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar
> (rather
> > than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).
> >
> > I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Long Beach Island
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 05:14:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID: <1619093697877-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Roger,

Thank you. That is helpful. Does your extension have a class 2 or class 3
coupling?

Chris



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:15:31 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
Message-ID:
        <CH2PR02MB69204D5DF95B8171E1ADC43480469 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Todd,

I doubt I have pictures that old; but, I?ll look around.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Todd Tavares<mailto:tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 7:03 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement

Roger,

Do you still have the annotated pictures of your trailer? The ones of your
front and rear tie downs and one of your trailer tongue extension setup did
not make it to the new website gallery.

Todd T.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My homemade tongue extension uses 2-1/2? X 2-1/2? X 3/16? thick square
> cold rolled C-steel tubing.  I have a short stub of 3? X 3? X 3/16? thick
> square tubing welded onto the end to provide a mounting point for the
> trailer coupling.  The 3? square tubing with a 3/16? wall thickness will
> slip fit over the 2-1/2? square tubing.  You will be able to do a very
> strong overlapping weld joint.  I built mine like this in 1989 and have
> dozens of launch and retrievals on the system with zero issues.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ?While hauling out last fall, the square extension on the trailer bent
> > severely (kinked, really) due to the weight of the boat on the extension.
> > The boat was a little more forward on the trailer than it had been for
> the
> > previous 3 haul-outs; the bow was in contact with the stopper. On the
> > previous haul-outs, the bow was about 3" short of the stopper. This
> > additional weight forward combined with severe rust on the interior of
> the
> > extension and the change in incline of the ramp seem to have combined to
> > cause the failure.
> >
> > The extension that came with my used trailer is 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 1/8"
> thick
> > steel. The coupler is marked "Class 2". Does this seem right? It would
> seem
> > to me that Class 3 would be more appropriate for the Rhodes, no?
> >
> > So I need to replace this extension and coupler. I'm thinking that I'm
> going
> > to upgrade to 3/16" thick steel. But I can't seem to locate a suitable
> class
> > 3 coupler. It seems the class 3 couplers require a 3" extension bar
> (rather
> > than the 2 1/2" extension that fits the trailer).
> >
> > I'm interested to hear what the community thinks about this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Long Beach Island
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:16:47 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement
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        <CH2PR02MB6920401BB9C776E0E21283CF80469 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Use a Class 3 hitch, Class 2 would be marginal at best.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Chris on LBI<mailto:cknell at vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 8:15 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement

Roger,

Thank you. That is helpful. Does your extension have a class 2 or class 3
coupling?

Chris



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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 11:11:03 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:11:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>
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If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow stopper?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ?bow bumper?.  I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still in the water.  As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat will increase.  This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases the likelihood of damage to the boat in transit.  
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thomas
>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water, then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Charles 
>> 
> 

From ews1esq at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 20:13:24 2021
From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:13:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
References: <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85@yahoo.com>

Due to recent severe health issues, I am retiring from sailing. 

I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale. She has been factory renovated twice by General Boats, first in 2004 and again in 2016.  

The boat is in the water at a slip on South Hutchinson Island in Fort Pierce, Florida .  I will be happy to discuss by phone all aspects of the boat and the Triad trailer included. 

I do wish to sell soon, since I am not able to properly care for her or enjoy her. 

I prefer to provide details by phone, rather than responding to multiple texts or emails. 

Asking price is $15,000.

 If anyone is interested or knows of a prospective buyer, please call 973 978 7994 between 10AM and 6PM EDT. 

Thanks. 

Eric Smith

Sent from my iPhone

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Fri Apr 30 02:16:28 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <E7B3BFBF-E67D-4EF6-9B2A-D9C2BA43EFAA@gmail.com>
References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>
 <E7B3BFBF-E67D-4EF6-9B2A-D9C2BA43EFAA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Mitch,
  The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit
the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to  pull the
trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of
the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the
back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of
the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way
back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse.
 I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for
travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no
sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together.

Jerry Lowe




 If that???s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow
> stopper?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ???I???ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ???bow bumper???.
>> I???ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still
>> in the water.  As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out
>> of the water, the space between the ???bow bumper??? and the boat will
>> increase.  This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving
>> the ???bow bumper??? closer to the boat at this point just increases the
>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit.
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman
>>> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible,
>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of
>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it
>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water,
>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It???s
>>> tricky, and I???ve had to retry a few times but it can be done.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>
>



From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 06:41:36 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com>
 <E7B3BFBF-E67D-4EF6-9B2A-D9C2BA43EFAA@gmail.com>
 <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <CAFTyJNXhU8QmiOPfVbgfj8rqXnW9G8PnYpdz94_83CAUf2wwfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Makes sense. Thanks!


On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

> Mitch,
>   The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit
> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to  pull the
> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of
> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the
> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of
> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way
> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse.
>  I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for
> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no
> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together.
>
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>
>
>  If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow
> > stopper?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I?ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ?bow bumper?.
> >> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still
> >> in the water.  As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out
> >> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat will
> >> increase.  This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving
> >> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases the
> >> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit.
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman
> >>> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thomas
> >>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible,
> >>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of
> >>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it
> >>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water,
> >>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s
> >>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Fri Apr 30 08:08:48 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85@yahoo.com>
References: <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85.ref@yahoo.com>
 <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d8363e8c-5a94-1275-d4c2-89e2d38b9262@generalboats.com>

Eric,

At two thirds of a year shy of 96 I find myself having overwhelming 
empathy for Rhodes owners having to give up sailing for health reasons.? 
Even more for those who lost their first mates. Rose shared my health 
nut outlook.? She made it to 97.

If I could I would just buy your boat for the hell of it.? Would it work 
for you if I brokered it for the standard 10%. You would be setting the 
selling price so it could keep you at what you want to net.? And it 
would help keep me eating organic, which I do almost 100%.? With no 
double blind test, I don't know if it works or whether I have been 
fortunate, but not a single one of my friends I grew up with are left.
That part is not so fortunate. Sitting in this now empty house can get 
depressing; keeping the Rhodes continuing as a boat still in production 
as my therapy. I like knowing that that is one of the facts that helps 
maintain its higher resale value.

In addition to free second opinions, which are worth what they cost, 
email me if I can be of any help.

stan


On 4/29/21 8:13 PM, Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Due to recent severe health issues, I am retiring from sailing.
>
> I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale. She has been factory renovated twice by General Boats, first in 2004 and again in 2016.
>
> The boat is in the water at a slip on South Hutchinson Island in Fort Pierce, Florida .  I will be happy to discuss by phone all aspects of the boat and the Triad trailer included.
>
> I do wish to sell soon, since I am not able to properly care for her or enjoy her.
>
> I prefer to provide details by phone, rather than responding to multiple texts or emails.
>
> Asking price is $15,000.
>
>   If anyone is interested or knows of a prospective buyer, please call 973 978 7994 between 10AM and 6PM EDT.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eric Smith
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Fri Apr 30 08:21:01 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
Message-ID: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>

 ? I see that I am even older than I admit to.? I meant my email to Eric 
to only be going to Eric.? All others forgetaboutit.

thanks

stan

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 08:25:36 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>

I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my mailbox.  No apology needed.

Frank

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
>   I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to Eric to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> 
> thanks
> 
> stan


From trimsails at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 08:37:05 2021
From: trimsails at gmail.com (Jerry Thompson)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>

I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my opinion.

Jerry

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my mailbox.
> No apology needed.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >   I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to Eric
> to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > stan
>
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 09:13:36 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stan,
I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
slightly off the beam is more my style.
Bob

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my opinion.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my mailbox.
> > No apology needed.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >   I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to Eric
> > to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > stan
> >
> >
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Apr 30 09:31:22 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:31:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan? you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure with Rose. Connie and I liked? hearing you tell it . I imagine it would be in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your? life story The First 100 Years


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry

Stan,
I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
slightly off the beam is more my style.
Bob

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agree Frank.? Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my opinion.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my mailbox.
> > No apology needed.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >? I see that I am even older than I admit to.? I meant my email to Eric
> > to only be going to Eric.? All others forgetaboutit.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > stan
> >
> >
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 10:10:24 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:10:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmpuv-JPYHJy8sx8qVko54s3VhuDNzvJUSwYjOshbM7ew@mail.gmail.com>

My favorite was the story about the cops and mermaid at the nightclub.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22 TBD
Claytor Lake,  VA

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 9:31 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Stan  you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure
> with Rose. Connie and I liked  hearing you tell it . I imagine it would be
> in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your  life story The
> First 100 Years
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
>
> Stan,
> I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
> Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
> slightly off the beam is more my style.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my opinion.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my
> mailbox.
> > > No apology needed.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to
> Eric
> > > to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > stan
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Fri Apr 30 10:38:52 2021
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:38:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEmpuv-JPYHJy8sx8qVko54s3VhuDNzvJUSwYjOshbM7ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAPgvAEmpuv-JPYHJy8sx8qVko54s3VhuDNzvJUSwYjOshbM7ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ASpM9w6iYoid5CuB4uiQuVT8vMN0As4ZvSRA7-aPUx14A@mail.gmail.com>

Stan told me when I bought my boat that it had been owned by an eye doctor
who used a helicopter to transport the boat. I've been trying to get more
details ever since.

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
1987 Nimble 30 *Under Agreement!*
1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:10 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> My favorite was the story about the cops and mermaid at the nightclub.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 TBD
> Claytor Lake,  VA
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 9:31 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Stan  you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure
> > with Rose. Connie and I liked  hearing you tell it . I imagine it would
> be
> > in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your  life story The
> > First 100 Years
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
> >
> > Stan,
> > I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
> > Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
> > slightly off the beam is more my style.
> > Bob
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my
> opinion.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <
> goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my
> > mailbox.
> > > > No apology needed.
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to
> > Eric
> > > > to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > stan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 11:55:23 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNXhU8QmiOPfVbgfj8rqXnW9G8PnYpdz94_83CAUf2wwfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFTyJNXhU8QmiOPfVbgfj8rqXnW9G8PnYpdz94_83CAUf2wwfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com>

Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that correct?

Michael McKay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Makes sense. Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mitch,
>>  The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit
>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to  pull the
>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of
>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the
>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of
>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way
>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse.
>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for
>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no
>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together.
>> 
>> Jerry Lowe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow
>>> stopper?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here.  I never move my ?bow bumper?.
>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is still
>>>> in the water.  As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled out
>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat will
>>>> increase.  This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem.  Moving
>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases the
>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman
>>>>> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible,
>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out of
>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep it
>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the water,
>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. It?s
>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charles
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 15:55:23 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C96E0E88-45EE-4016-ABD7-20A24BF8658B@gmail.com>

In fact it was just on Wednesday of this week that Stan told me that engaging (literally) story of his early sailing date with Rose, after he, in the manner of the engineer that he was and is, had determined that she checked all the boxes on his engineer?s checklist for a first mate, save a commitment to sailing.  After that maiden voyage, she checked off that one, too, and the rest is history.  A beautiful, long-enduring history. 

If any of you are lucky enough to find yourself in Edenton, NC, one afternoon and Stan says he?s available for a visit, there are many more stories he can tell, all captivating.  Besides, Edenton is a charming town.  

Frank

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Stan  you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure with Rose. Connie and I liked  hearing you tell it . I imagine it would be in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your  life story The First 100 Years
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
> 
> Stan,
> I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
> Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
> slightly off the beam is more my style.
> Bob
> 
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my opinion.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my mailbox.
>>> No apology needed.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to Eric
>>> to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>> 
>>>> stan
>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 18:49:44 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:49:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dockage Fees
Message-ID: <CACSd1jJezprgob0bDWurUrCZ65M5GCwYcY_mFM853Xji5j0J_w@mail.gmail.com>

I don't feel so bad about my marina fees now after seeing the contract
below for dockage of the old Ex-Enterprise.  Assuming it is a yearly
contract that is about $627,513 per month or about $660 per foot at 950
ft.

"Huntington Ingalls Inc., Newport News Shipbuilding, Newport News,
Virginia, is awarded a $7,530,161 cost-plus-fixed-fee modification to
previously-awarded contract N00024-13-C-2112 for continued storage of
EX-USS Enterprise (EX-CVN 65) at Huntington Ingalls Inc., Newport News
Shipbuilding. Work will be performed in Newport News, Virginia, and is
expected to be completed by September 2021."

Mike Corley
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 22:34:44 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:34:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8363e8c-5a94-1275-d4c2-89e2d38b9262@generalboats.com>
References: <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85.ref@yahoo.com>
 <CE525F3C-FC31-4F58-A2AF-D01D48F59F85@yahoo.com>
 <d8363e8c-5a94-1275-d4c2-89e2d38b9262@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUty88opq4oAYyttYbPixU3gzwJBRySw2MU5FwCG1KKgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stan, I am sure Eric appreciates the thought. I?ll let you sell my Rhodes
(both of them when I retire from sailing. Deal?
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I
Red Rhodes

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:08 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> At two thirds of a year shy of 96 I find myself having overwhelming
> empathy for Rhodes owners having to give up sailing for health reasons.
> Even more for those who lost their first mates. Rose shared my health
> nut outlook.  She made it to 97.
>
> If I could I would just buy your boat for the hell of it.  Would it work
> for you if I brokered it for the standard 10%. You would be setting the
> selling price so it could keep you at what you want to net.  And it
> would help keep me eating organic, which I do almost 100%.  With no
> double blind test, I don't know if it works or whether I have been
> fortunate, but not a single one of my friends I grew up with are left.
> That part is not so fortunate. Sitting in this now empty house can get
> depressing; keeping the Rhodes continuing as a boat still in production
> as my therapy. I like knowing that that is one of the facts that helps
> maintain its higher resale value.
>
> In addition to free second opinions, which are worth what they cost,
> email me if I can be of any help.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 4/29/21 8:13 PM, Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > Due to recent severe health issues, I am retiring from sailing.
> >
> > I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale. She has been factory renovated twice
> by General Boats, first in 2004 and again in 2016.
> >
> > The boat is in the water at a slip on South Hutchinson Island in Fort
> Pierce, Florida .  I will be happy to discuss by phone all aspects of the
> boat and the Triad trailer included.
> >
> > I do wish to sell soon, since I am not able to properly care for her or
> enjoy her.
> >
> > I prefer to provide details by phone, rather than responding to multiple
> texts or emails.
> >
> > Asking price is $15,000.
> >
> >   If anyone is interested or knows of a prospective buyer, please call
> 973 978 7994 between 10AM and 6PM EDT.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Eric Smith
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 22:44:29 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
In-Reply-To: <C96E0E88-45EE-4016-ABD7-20A24BF8658B@gmail.com>
References: <5f83f735-e92f-4718-20c6-596f3958fa42@generalboats.com>
 <5E278582-4031-4319-99AF-68BAB27B1858@gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV6d4Di2cO_oeJCqAA5idFK+MQrQMaQ5B37dVb-EXJhq8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBAsa4EO4r0LZQwBJY0800VPV_V-8-3kQ_x7pQTXnWKwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434628952.65465.1619789482908@mail.yahoo.com>
 <C96E0E88-45EE-4016-ABD7-20A24BF8658B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV0vJ=D0ZjyXyUHJz4c7cqmxuC_x6L5kg=-4cy035hHkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I spent a great morning with Stan a week ago. What a joy. We are so lucky
to have Stan around. Stan would consider it lucky too. Best to you Stan.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:55 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In fact it was just on Wednesday of this week that Stan told me that
> engaging (literally) story of his early sailing date with Rose, after he,
> in the manner of the engineer that he was and is, had determined that she
> checked all the boxes on his engineer?s checklist for a first mate, save a
> commitment to sailing.  After that maiden voyage, she checked off that one,
> too, and the rest is history.  A beautiful, long-enduring history.
>
> If any of you are lucky enough to find yourself in Edenton, NC, one
> afternoon and Stan says he?s available for a visit, there are many more
> stories he can tell, all captivating.  Besides, Edenton is a charming
> town.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Stan  you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure
> with Rose. Connie and I liked  hearing you tell it . I imagine it would be
> in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your  life story The
> First 100 Years
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry
> >
> > Stan,
> > I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing.
> > Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze
> > slightly off the beam is more my style.
> > Bob
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson <trimsails at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I totally agree Frank.  Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my
> opinion.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my
> mailbox.
> >>> No apology needed.
> >>>
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   I see that I am even older than I admit to.  I meant my email to
> Eric
> >>> to only be going to Eric.  All others forgetaboutit.
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> stan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>