From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jul  1 17:18:00 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:18:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
Message-ID: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>

If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.

In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has broken.  Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages created in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.

I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people preferred the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to communicate with the list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.

Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not being supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.

I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this situation.

For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.

?Peter

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul  1 18:08:43 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
In-Reply-To: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>

It seems that nabble is converting to a simple forum and dropping the email posting ability. In the process, they are losing functionality and now content!

This is a serious change for them and many of their list clients (like us) are having significant issues such as:
     1. "Contents Deleted" - entire lists are disappearing! 
          http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html
     2. Mailing Lists will be update to regular forums ...
          http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html#a7609600

>From what I can see on the nabble support site, no one is really sure what is happening. I am so happy that the Rhodes22.org list has been independently maintained. We have only lost items that were not cross posted from nabble such as the "old.nabble.com" images. Many of the major nabble lists are in big trouble since they totally rely on nabble and have no other alternative.

After some prodding from me (I saw the value of nabble but was afraid to trust their leadership with our content again), Peter Nyberg developed a website structure that permits a web based forum for posting to our list. I am in the process of looking to port the capability to our server. It provides all of the convenience of a web based posting forum like nabble while maintaining our security and independence.

Please be patient as we evolve. We've come a long way in the last 6 to 12 months, much of it the result of Peter's efforts and abilities. Please raise a glass of your favorite libation to Peter Nyberg, virtually.

Have a safe and happy 4th!

Let's go sailing!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Website Admin
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:18 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken

If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.

In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has broken.  Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages created in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.

I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people preferred the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to communicate with the list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.

Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not being supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.

I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this situation.

For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.

?Peter=


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Jul  1 19:34:40 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:34:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
In-Reply-To: <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
 <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY46kkyYTzwW+qB=KeF7f1L_KRLO31S=GX16o+fnk2BfZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, et all,
I have a web server, our own hardware, in a  Chicago data center.
If you'd need I can , and happy to, do all the hosting. (I do not run an
email server)
I much prefer a micro service design, but that's a huge project to retain
all the history....

Hope you have a safe and fun weekend.


On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 5:08 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> It seems that nabble is converting to a simple forum and dropping the
> email posting ability. In the process, they are losing functionality and
> now content!
>
> This is a serious change for them and many of their list clients (like us)
> are having significant issues such as:
>      1. "Contents Deleted" - entire lists are disappearing!
>           http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html
>      2. Mailing Lists will be update to regular forums ...
>
> http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html#a7609600
>
> From what I can see on the nabble support site, no one is really sure what
> is happening. I am so happy that the Rhodes22.org list has been
> independently maintained. We have only lost items that were not cross
> posted from nabble such as the "old.nabble.com" images. Many of the major
> nabble lists are in big trouble since they totally rely on nabble and have
> no other alternative.
>
> After some prodding from me (I saw the value of nabble but was afraid to
> trust their leadership with our content again), Peter Nyberg developed a
> website structure that permits a web based forum for posting to our list. I
> am in the process of looking to port the capability to our server. It
> provides all of the convenience of a web based posting forum like nabble
> while maintaining our security and independence.
>
> Please be patient as we evolve. We've come a long way in the last 6 to 12
> months, much of it the result of Peter's efforts and abilities. Please
> raise a glass of your favorite libation to Peter Nyberg, virtually.
>
> Have a safe and happy 4th!
>
> Let's go sailing!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Website Admin
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:18 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
>
> If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.
>
> In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble
> forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has broken.
> Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages created
> in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.
>
> I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people preferred
> the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to communicate with the
> list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.
>
> Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not being
> supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.
>
> I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this situation.
>
> For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.
>
> ?Peter=
>
>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 06:41:45 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Migrating from Nabble to List TEST
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmLeKoaV-_gUj8kxuxp7nT6nqVXdv9e2Z8SqXmPrvgPuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Testing

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 06:56:48 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST2
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkjthd-LX7=UCsN95TvMPYJmCpE=GXVLFG_WQRPnGmdEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 07:04:51 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 07:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST3
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnbqexXJg3zK5smQz900iesDHAxPojhG=H+C9Aer09z_A@mail.gmail.com>

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 07:08:19 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 07:08:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST4
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmhFvONiFOUdrGBuxP=JJmLPd1WKXWeDWAqVjhn-SpCrA@mail.gmail.com>

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jul  2 09:50:43 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 06:50:43 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email Attachments and Macintosh Computers
Message-ID: <E1lzJZ5-00AphK-76@s152.servername.online>

On the off chance that what Jeff has been testing is sending attachments (e.g. photos) to the list while using a Mac, I'm sorry to say that this does not work. The attachments are stripped out.

I know Mike has looked into this and was unable to find a cause other than there must be something about how the native email client ('Mail') formats the attachment that the list software (Mailman) doesn't like.

 As a Mac user myself, I've used several work-arounds for this issue.

My ISP offers a web interface for my email service, and attachments sent to the list through that interface come through.

I've used an alternate email client on my Mac.  Specifically, 'Spark', which is free for personal use and available in the App Store.  I only use this for the specific purpose of sending attachments to the list, and otherwise continue to use the native email client.

As Mike mentioned, I've developed a web interface for posting to the list that will eventually be part of the rhodes22.org website.  When this update is made available, it offer another way for Mac users (and everybody else) to send attachments to the list.

Your patience is appreciated.

--Peter

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jul  2 12:32:01 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY46kkyYTzwW+qB=KeF7f1L_KRLO31S=GX16o+fnk2BfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
 <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAEqJHY46kkyYTzwW+qB=KeF7f1L_KRLO31S=GX16o+fnk2BfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d76f5f$c9c9a290$5d5ce7b0$@ebsmed.com>

Tom,

 

Thank you for the generous offer to host the Rhodes22.org site.

 

In 2016, when I assumed the hosting responsibility for Rhodes22.org & the GNU Mailman email list, I wanted to make sure that we would not need to move from a "borrowed" or "loaned" server again. Each time a member who provided hosting moved on, changed jobs, or retired, we had to scramble for a new home. I also wanted to be sure that we would not lose our content due to a hardware failure or management change (look at our history or just nabble, again).

 

I chose AWS, a subsidiary of Amazon, to provide the environment, virtually. The hardware is pretty much bullet proof and I do not think that AWS is going anywhere as long as the bill is paid. A big thanks to those who have donated to the cause.

 

I also wanted the transition to a new hosting member as simple as possible. AWS is a stable and transferrable platform, making it easy for a new hosting member to assume the role. I also have provided a method that manages the transition if I am unable to continue as hosting member. It took quite a bit to construct this safe way to host the rhodes22.org and I do not wish to make changes at this time.

 

Thanks, again, for the offer.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing ?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 7:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken

 

Mike, et all,

I have a web server, our own hardware, in a  Chicago data center.

If you'd need I can , and happy to, do all the hosting. (I do not run an email server) I much prefer a micro service design, but that's a huge project to retain all the history....

 

Hope you have a safe and fun weekend.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 5:08 PM Michael D. Weisner < <mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com> mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

 

> It seems that nabble is converting to a simple forum and dropping the 

> email posting ability. In the process, they are losing functionality 

> and now content!

> 

> This is a serious change for them and many of their list clients (like 

> us) are having significant issues such as:

>      1. "Contents Deleted" - entire lists are disappearing!

>            <http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html> http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html

>      2. Mailing Lists will be update to regular forums ...

> 

>  <http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-for> http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-for

> ums-next-week-td7609458.html#a7609600

> 

> From what I can see on the nabble support site, no one is really sure 

> what is happening. I am so happy that the Rhodes22.org list has been 

> independently maintained. We have only lost items that were not cross 

> posted from nabble such as the "old.nabble.com" images. Many of the 

> major nabble lists are in big trouble since they totally rely on 

> nabble and have no other alternative.

> 

> After some prodding from me (I saw the value of nabble but was afraid 

> to trust their leadership with our content again), Peter Nyberg 

> developed a website structure that permits a web based forum for 

> posting to our list. I am in the process of looking to port the 

> capability to our server. It provides all of the convenience of a web 

> based posting forum like nabble while maintaining our security and independence.

> 

> Please be patient as we evolve. We've come a long way in the last 6 to 

> 12 months, much of it the result of Peter's efforts and abilities. 

> Please raise a glass of your favorite libation to Peter Nyberg, virtually.

> 

> Have a safe and happy 4th!

> 

> Let's go sailing!

> 

> Mike

> s/v Wind Lass ('91)

> Website Admin

> Nissequogue River, NY

> I?d rather be sailing :~)

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 

> Peter Nyberg

> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:18 PM

> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>

> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken

> 

> If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.

> 

> In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble 

> forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has broken.

> Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages 

> created in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.

> 

> I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people 

> preferred the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to communicate with the

> list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.

> 

> Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not 

> being supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.

> 

> I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this situation.

> 

> For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.

> 

> ?Peter=

> 

> 

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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jul  2 18:17:20 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
In-Reply-To: <000601d76f5f$c9c9a290$5d5ce7b0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
 <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAEqJHY46kkyYTzwW+qB=KeF7f1L_KRLO31S=GX16o+fnk2BfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000601d76f5f$c9c9a290$5d5ce7b0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6nxq9txMUeezrLxLah8vpS71gV-JPXkpDJRbEu_Au25w@mail.gmail.com>

That's no problem at all.  I wish I was 24 and learning microservice
architecture, alas I have years of "legacy infrastructure" experience.

I agree on all fronts and concerns. Good work

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 11:32 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Tom,
>
>
>
> Thank you for the generous offer to host the Rhodes22.org site.
>
>
>
> In 2016, when I assumed the hosting responsibility for Rhodes22.org & the
> GNU Mailman email list, I wanted to make sure that we would not need to
> move from a "borrowed" or "loaned" server again. Each time a member who
> provided hosting moved on, changed jobs, or retired, we had to scramble for
> a new home. I also wanted to be sure that we would not lose our content due
> to a hardware failure or management change (look at our history or just
> nabble, again).
>
>
>
> I chose AWS, a subsidiary of Amazon, to provide the environment,
> virtually. The hardware is pretty much bullet proof and I do not think that
> AWS is going anywhere as long as the bill is paid. A big thanks to those
> who have donated to the cause.
>
>
>
> I also wanted the transition to a new hosting member as simple as
> possible. AWS is a stable and transferrable platform, making it easy for a
> new hosting member to assume the role. I also have provided a method that
> manages the transition if I am unable to continue as hosting member. It
> took quite a bit to construct this safe way to host the rhodes22.org and
> I do not wish to make changes at this time.
>
>
>
> Thanks, again, for the offer.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing ?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom
> Van Heule
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 7:35 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
>
>
>
> Mike, et all,
>
> I have a web server, our own hardware, in a  Chicago data center.
>
> If you'd need I can , and happy to, do all the hosting. (I do not run an
> email server) I much prefer a micro service design, but that's a huge
> project to retain all the history....
>
>
>
> Hope you have a safe and fun weekend.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 5:08 PM Michael D. Weisner < <mailto:
> mweisner at ebsmed.com> mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It seems that nabble is converting to a simple forum and dropping the
>
> > email posting ability. In the process, they are losing functionality
>
> > and now content!
>
> >
>
> > This is a serious change for them and many of their list clients (like
>
> > us) are having significant issues such as:
>
> >      1. "Contents Deleted" - entire lists are disappearing!
>
> >            <http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html>
> http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html
>
> >      2. Mailing Lists will be update to regular forums ...
>
> >
>
> >  <http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-for>
> http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-for
>
> > ums-next-week-td7609458.html#a7609600
>
> >
>
> > From what I can see on the nabble support site, no one is really sure
>
> > what is happening. I am so happy that the Rhodes22.org list has been
>
> > independently maintained. We have only lost items that were not cross
>
> > posted from nabble such as the "old.nabble.com" images. Many of the
>
> > major nabble lists are in big trouble since they totally rely on
>
> > nabble and have no other alternative.
>
> >
>
> > After some prodding from me (I saw the value of nabble but was afraid
>
> > to trust their leadership with our content again), Peter Nyberg
>
> > developed a website structure that permits a web based forum for
>
> > posting to our list. I am in the process of looking to port the
>
> > capability to our server. It provides all of the convenience of a web
>
> > based posting forum like nabble while maintaining our security and
> independence.
>
> >
>
> > Please be patient as we evolve. We've come a long way in the last 6 to
>
> > 12 months, much of it the result of Peter's efforts and abilities.
>
> > Please raise a glass of your favorite libation to Peter Nyberg,
> virtually.
>
> >
>
> > Have a safe and happy 4th!
>
> >
>
> > Let's go sailing!
>
> >
>
> > Mike
>
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> > Website Admin
>
> > Nissequogue River, NY
>
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>
> > Peter Nyberg
>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:18 PM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
>
> >
>
> > If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.
>
> >
>
> > In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble
>
> > forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has
> broken.
>
> > Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages
>
> > created in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.
>
> >
>
> > I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people
>
> > preferred the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to
> communicate with the
>
> > list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.
>
> >
>
> > Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not
>
> > being supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.
>
> >
>
> > I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this
> situation.
>
> >
>
> > For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.
>
> >
>
> > ?Peter=
>
> >
>
> >
>
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> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210701/b114962a/attachment.jpg
> >
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 20:28:39 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email Attachments and Macintosh Computers
In-Reply-To: <E1lzJZ5-00AphK-76@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lzJZ5-00AphK-76@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWmkOy3rz=cJX5eB+PRr-UnTSa4yVMO1wncUm73PWiGPg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter!
Chris Geankoplis

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 8:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> On the off chance that what Jeff has been testing is sending attachments
> (e.g. photos) to the list while using a Mac, I'm sorry to say that this
> does not work. The attachments are stripped out.
>
> I know Mike has looked into this and was unable to find a cause other than
> there must be something about how the native email client ('Mail') formats
> the attachment that the list software (Mailman) doesn't like.
>
>  As a Mac user myself, I've used several work-arounds for this issue.
>
> My ISP offers a web interface for my email service, and attachments sent
> to the list through that interface come through.
>
> I've used an alternate email client on my Mac.  Specifically, 'Spark',
> which is free for personal use and available in the App Store.  I only use
> this for the specific purpose of sending attachments to the list, and
> otherwise continue to use the native email client.
>
> As Mike mentioned, I've developed a web interface for posting to the list
> that will eventually be part of the rhodes22.org website.  When this
> update is made available, it offer another way for Mac users (and everybody
> else) to send attachments to the list.
>
> Your patience is appreciated.
>
> --Peter
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 16:42:18 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
In-Reply-To: <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1CE54C3A-7289-470B-B5FE-9DD197CDD486@sunnybeeches.com>
 <008001d76ec5$a8617190$f92454b0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqnpApp_F--Sz1oGxov4712n=3zE=ObDw2VXVV6wSwEVA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter and Mike, thanks for all your work with the website and the list!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:08 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> It seems that nabble is converting to a simple forum and dropping the
> email posting ability. In the process, they are losing functionality and
> now content!
>
> This is a serious change for them and many of their list clients (like us)
> are having significant issues such as:
>      1. "Contents Deleted" - entire lists are disappearing!
>           http://support.nabble.com/CONTENTS-DELETED-td7609604.html
>      2. Mailing Lists will be update to regular forums ...
>
> http://support.nabble.com/Mailing-Lists-will-be-updated-to-regular-forums-next-week-td7609458.html#a7609600
>
> From what I can see on the nabble support site, no one is really sure what
> is happening. I am so happy that the Rhodes22.org list has been
> independently maintained. We have only lost items that were not cross
> posted from nabble such as the "old.nabble.com" images. Many of the major
> nabble lists are in big trouble since they totally rely on nabble and have
> no other alternative.
>
> After some prodding from me (I saw the value of nabble but was afraid to
> trust their leadership with our content again), Peter Nyberg developed a
> website structure that permits a web based forum for posting to our list. I
> am in the process of looking to port the capability to our server. It
> provides all of the convenience of a web based posting forum like nabble
> while maintaining our security and independence.
>
> Please be patient as we evolve. We've come a long way in the last 6 to 12
> months, much of it the result of Peter's efforts and abilities. Please
> raise a glass of your favorite libation to Peter Nyberg, virtually.
>
> Have a safe and happy 4th!
>
> Let's go sailing!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Website Admin
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:18 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Link to Nabble IS broken
>
> If you don?t use Rhodes 22 forum on Nabble, you can ignore this message.
>
> In checking recent activity both on the email list, and on the Nabble
> forum, it has become clear that the connection between the two has broken.
> Posts to the email list are not appearing on Nabble, and messages created
> in the Nabble forum are not being posted to the list.
>
> I haven?t been a user of Nabble myself, but clearly some people preferred
> the web interface Nabble provided over using emails to communicate with the
> list.   I hope we won?t lose the participation of those members.
>
> Nabble is totally outside of our control, and I think that it?s not being
> supported anymore, so a fix is probably unlikely.
>
> I posted a message on the Nabble forum to warn people about this situation.
>
> For all those using email to interact with the list, nothing has changed.
>
> ?Peter=
>
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 15:35:23 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.  Both
would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v battery
that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.

Has anyone adopted either of these options?

Regards,

Rick Lange

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 08:13:47 2021
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84929E37-E2B0-4E11-BF2E-8422F7ECF2FB@gmail.com>

Epropulsion is best

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.  Both
> would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v battery
> that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.
> 
> Has anyone adopted either of these options?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon Jul 12 09:57:46 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:57:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
In-Reply-To: <84929E37-E2B0-4E11-BF2E-8422F7ECF2FB@gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <84929E37-E2B0-4E11-BF2E-8422F7ECF2FB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6gLn3-tyzqxbO8CE4-CKMad=sZ8td4x_BuhqdjMbkCLA@mail.gmail.com>

Isnt the 4stroke 8hp 75lbs plus, add the gas tank(s)... Probably at 100
already.

I would prefer more details on the saildrive, although that's a big design
change.

I recall some folks had the smaller portable electrics, but we're only on
inland water, where the 4hp equivalent was recommended.

150+ pounds of thrust should be fine, 1hp=22lbs....

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:13 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Epropulsion is best
>
> > On Jul 11, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.  Both
> > would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v
> battery
> > that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.
> >
> > Has anyone adopted either of these options?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 16:18:27 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:18:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6gLn3-tyzqxbO8CE4-CKMad=sZ8td4x_BuhqdjMbkCLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <84929E37-E2B0-4E11-BF2E-8422F7ECF2FB@gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY6gLn3-tyzqxbO8CE4-CKMad=sZ8td4x_BuhqdjMbkCLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36b-JR6jzJbRQM5LE3Yg=EJVJDArVRj9jhih79evB5szDw@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Good point.  The Elco uses a 6' battery cable so that should get the
battery as far forward in the cockpit as gas tanks are.  Elco also doesn't
require one of their dealers to install it.

The ePropulsion saildrive would be hard to steer backing up.   I've asked
whether 2 of their 3hp equiv saildrives would give me the thrust I need as
they have a nice dual throttle controller.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:58 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Isnt the 4stroke 8hp 75lbs plus, add the gas tank(s)... Probably at 100
> already.
>
> I would prefer more details on the saildrive, although that's a big design
> change.
>
> I recall some folks had the smaller portable electrics, but we're only on
> inland water, where the 4hp equivalent was recommended.
>
> 150+ pounds of thrust should be fine, 1hp=22lbs....
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:13 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Epropulsion is best
> >
> > > On Jul 11, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.
> Both
> > > would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v
> > battery
> > > that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.
> > >
> > > Has anyone adopted either of these options?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> >
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon Jul 12 17:32:40 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36b-JR6jzJbRQM5LE3Yg=EJVJDArVRj9jhih79evB5szDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <84929E37-E2B0-4E11-BF2E-8422F7ECF2FB@gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY6gLn3-tyzqxbO8CE4-CKMad=sZ8td4x_BuhqdjMbkCLA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36b-JR6jzJbRQM5LE3Yg=EJVJDArVRj9jhih79evB5szDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7-JdemYDvZP0mbiegK+G5Qx-tfoSbmP78uYeTVT7bZ1A@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't consider reverse.... Although I am lucky enough to push off the
dock instead of reverse.  We only use forward 99 percnt of the time.

I might need a service , but my throttle is too lazy sensitive to use for
fine throttle adjustment.  Hence I'd like electric, aside/ontop the
environmental stuff.

What I don't like is having to hook up the tiller<> motor linkage if I whim
to drop in the outboard.  It would be fancy, admittedly, to only have to
juice the throttle smoothly. Dropping the motor takes time too. (Read
engineering challenge for an adjustable linkage to the tiller for dropping
the motor)

Alas we have zero problems with the 8hp 4 stroke functioning, it could be
smoother.

HTH, or is fun to read,
Tom

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 3:19 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Good point.  The Elco uses a 6' battery cable so that should get the
> battery as far forward in the cockpit as gas tanks are.  Elco also doesn't
> require one of their dealers to install it.
>
> The ePropulsion saildrive would be hard to steer backing up.   I've asked
> whether 2 of their 3hp equiv saildrives would give me the thrust I need as
> they have a nice dual throttle controller.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:58 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Isnt the 4stroke 8hp 75lbs plus, add the gas tank(s)... Probably at 100
> > already.
> >
> > I would prefer more details on the saildrive, although that's a big
> design
> > change.
> >
> > I recall some folks had the smaller portable electrics, but we're only on
> > inland water, where the 4hp equivalent was recommended.
> >
> > 150+ pounds of thrust should be fine, 1hp=22lbs....
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 7:13 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Epropulsion is best
> > >
> > > > On Jul 11, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.
> > Both
> > > > would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v
> > > battery
> > > > that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone adopted either of these options?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rick Lange
> > >
> >
>

From bmg18 at me.com  Mon Jul 12 18:20:29 2021
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric 9.9hp outboards
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZYK5F5Q0eNVrGrep-JQOcvtqGSkMqrmDbUOk4O22ApZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE974E0-DFE4-4085-861A-046C816E0102@me.com>

My Yamaha 9.9, without the battery or the tank, weighs in at a little over 100#

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at two possibilities:  the Elco 9.9 and the Navy 6.0.  Both
> would be 100# of transom weight including the smallest lithium 48v battery
> that would last a few hours.  That seems pretty heavy for the R22.
> 
> Has anyone adopted either of these options?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 12:27:20 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 12:27:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Questions
Message-ID: <CAB-twMN=mzQK48bLJrQSPEa7ku9cSY9Az3t+q885W5GGMA6XEg@mail.gmail.com>

I have some general questions about the IMF system. I have a standard mast
and mainsail, so I am not familiar at alll with the IMF, and I generally
bypass IMF discussions.
There were discussions about IMFs on another sailing forum which made me
curious. One sailor said his boat has a ZSpar brand IMF which has a slot he
can feed the mainsail bolt rope into and he raises it with a halyard like a
normal sail or furling headsail.

Can the Rhodes 22 IMF sail be installed without dropping the mast?
Does the Rhodes 22 IMF furler have a slot for a bolt rope or slugs and a
halyard?
I always thought the sail was fixed to the furling tube, like the old GB
genoa tube arrangement and had to be installed as a complete assembly from
the bottom of the mast.

I assume there is some way to raise or lower the sail on the furler because
there is an upper boom position. How is the Rhodes 22 IMF sail raised and
lowered? How is the luff tensioned?

Todd T

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Jul 14 14:47:33 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 14:47:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMN=mzQK48bLJrQSPEa7ku9cSY9Az3t+q885W5GGMA6XEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMN=mzQK48bLJrQSPEa7ku9cSY9Az3t+q885W5GGMA6XEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d7f57a0a-a27d-701d-76df-c8191d1d1357@atlanticbb.net>

Answers below. I've attached pictures that I've posted before from the 
time we replaced Fretless's mainsail

On 7/14/2021 12:27 PM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> I have some general questions about the IMF system. I have a standard mast
> and mainsail, so I am not familiar at alll with the IMF, and I generally
> bypass IMF discussions.
> There were discussions about IMFs on another sailing forum which made me
> curious. One sailor said his boat has a ZSpar brand IMF which has a slot he
> can feed the mainsail bolt rope into and he raises it with a halyard like a
> normal sail or furling headsail
The GB IMF is a proprietary design and is different from all other IMF 
systems. It would not work well on a much larger boat but it is almost 
bulletproof in its simplicity.
> Can the Rhodes 22 IMF sail be installed without dropping the mast?
No
> Does the Rhodes 22 IMF furler have a slot for a bolt rope or slugs and a
> halyard?
The furling tube has a slot for a boltrope which you slide into the tube 
by hand. It's a snug fit and the sail has a loop top and bottom which is 
attached to an eye at the top and another at the bottom which is how you 
tension the luff.
> I always thought the sail was fixed to the furling tube, like the old GB
> genoa tube arrangement and had to be installed as a complete assembly from
> the bottom of the mast.

Yes you are correct

> I assume there is some way to raise or lower the sail on the furler because
> there is an upper boom position. How is the Rhodes 22 IMF sail raised and
> lowered? How is the luff tensioned?
When you raise the sail to the upper position the whole furling tube 
with the sail affixed moves up and down within the mast. The sail itself 
can only be lowered by sliding it out of the furling tube which has to 
be done with the mast down. The luff is tensioned by stretching it as 
you attach it to the eye straps top and bottom. It's only done when you 
install the sail.


Hope this is helpful,

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Tara
Rock Hall, MD


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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 18:06:27 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:06:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Questions
In-Reply-To: <d7f57a0a-a27d-701d-76df-c8191d1d1357@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CAB-twMN=mzQK48bLJrQSPEa7ku9cSY9Az3t+q885W5GGMA6XEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMNVLe5U7FX87qn3-0xRnDVwX=HzzXQMibCWD2Yu=Q0HTw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mary Lou

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 2:48 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Answers below. I've attached pictures that I've posted before from the
> time we replaced Fretless's mainsail
>
> On 7/14/2021 12:27 PM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> > I have some general questions about the IMF system. I have a standard
> mast
> > and mainsail, so I am not familiar at alll with the IMF, and I generally
> > bypass IMF discussions.
> > There were discussions about IMFs on another sailing forum which made me
> > curious. One sailor said his boat has a ZSpar brand IMF which has a slot
> he
> > can feed the mainsail bolt rope into and he raises it with a halyard
> like a
> > normal sail or furling headsail
> The GB IMF is a proprietary design and is different from all other IMF
> systems. It would not work well on a much larger boat but it is almost
> bulletproof in its simplicity.
> > Can the Rhodes 22 IMF sail be installed without dropping the mast?
> No
> > Does the Rhodes 22 IMF furler have a slot for a bolt rope or slugs and a
> > halyard?
> The furling tube has a slot for a boltrope which you slide into the tube
> by hand. It's a snug fit and the sail has a loop top and bottom which is
> attached to an eye at the top and another at the bottom which is how you
> tension the luff.
> > I always thought the sail was fixed to the furling tube, like the old GB
> > genoa tube arrangement and had to be installed as a complete assembly
> from
> > the bottom of the mast.
>
> Yes you are correct
>
> > I assume there is some way to raise or lower the sail on the furler
> because
> > there is an upper boom position. How is the Rhodes 22 IMF sail raised and
> > lowered? How is the luff tensioned?
> When you raise the sail to the upper position the whole furling tube
> with the sail affixed moves up and down within the mast. The sail itself
> can only be lowered by sliding it out of the furling tube which has to
> be done with the mast down. The luff is tensioned by stretching it as
> you attach it to the eye straps top and bottom. It's only done when you
> install the sail.
>
>
> Hope this is helpful,
>
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
> --
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jul 14 18:29:08 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY76+un2Hzs54cqx=3BUxgVp8hty=gAkBLj28gnjk4E-EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Mike, great meeting you and Traci today.
I'm glad the takeaways were helpful, and you can start the hunt!

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 1:20 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Nope. See if you can contact me more direct and we can coordinate.
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 10:02 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, would love to come see it,  at your convenience. Think the rain
>> breaks this weekend, does Sunday or Monday work for you?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:50 AM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike, I am in Milwaukee.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just
>> north
>> > > Chicago. Any one in driving range?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Mom
>> > > > Where are you located?
>> > > > I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most
>> > amazing
>> > > > yacht ever.
>> > > > Bob
>> > > > Sail la Vie
>> > > > Kent Island, MD
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <
>> > mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids
>> gone
>> > > > > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my
>> partner
>> > an
>> > > > > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really
>> > help
>> > > > sell
>> > > > > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mjm
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 05:05:41 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:05:41 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test
Message-ID: <E1m3xJN-00GHom-IJ@s152.servername.online>

Earlier I started a new thread and it never showed up. This is a test to see if this list shows up.

George Morgan

From jamcando126 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 05:09:57 2021
From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:09:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test
In-Reply-To: <E1m3xJN-00GHom-IJ@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1m3xJN-00GHom-IJ@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <DM6PR03MB362560F0C3B6B33985AB3118A4129@DM6PR03MB3625.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Got it?.your up a little early:)

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 5:05:41 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test

Earlier I started a new thread and it never showed up. This is a test to see if this list shows up.

George Morgan

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 05:22:36 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test
Message-ID: <E1m3xZk-00GR02-P8@s152.servername.online>

You too!

I started a thread with photos about how my new spreader boots and rollers appear to solve the problem of my 175 Genoa hanging up on the spreaders.

For some reason it never showed up. 

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 07:08:14 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:08:14 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader End Boots and Rollers
Message-ID: <E1m3zDy-00H73D-1h@s152.servername.online>

On June 18 I posted about a problem I had with my 175 Genoa getting hung up on the tips of my spreaders when tacking. In that post I included photos of new spreader boots and rollers I installed in hopes of fixing this problem. I had a chance to try all this out recently and it appears to be working.

Earlier today I tried starting a thread about this and added photos, but it never showed up. I?m reposting without the photos in hopes this post shows up. If anyone wants to see photos go to my post of June 18.

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 07:28:38 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions
Message-ID: <E1m3zXi-00HDka-Mp@s152.servername.online>

I posted  on July 1 using Nabble and I don?t think it made it to this forum. I?m reposting below from with photos.
______________________________________________________________________________

I?ve always thought the fold up support for the bed cushions was just in the way for as seldom as I use it to sleep on the boat. 

I?ve taken it off and created a new removable piece which I only pull out from its storage place under the galley when I might want to make a bed. 

I did have to add two extra little supports for the ledger board which is screwed to the main board. 
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 07:34:42 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions
Message-ID: <E1m3zda-00HH2K-QF@s152.servername.online>

I?m still trying to learn how to use this forum. The original post a few minutes ago left out an explanation which I copied and pasted.

Here is what should have been included:

I?ve always thought the fold up support for the bed cushions was just in the way for as seldom as I use it to sleep on the boat. 

I?ve taken it off and created a new removable piece which I only pull out from its storage place under the galley when I might want to make a bed. 

I did have to add two extra little supports for the ledger board which is screwed to the main board. 

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jul 15 08:05:24 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:05:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions
In-Reply-To: <E1m3zXi-00HDka-Mp@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1m3zXi-00HDka-Mp@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698564981AF4557D4C2AAFCFC1129@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

George,
I believe I saw someone post the Nabble interface is not working at the moment and you should post directly to the list.  Your photos did come through. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions

I posted  on July 1 using Nabble and I don?t think it made it to this forum. I?m reposting below from with photos.
______________________________________________________________________________

I?ve always thought the fold up support for the bed cushions was just in the way for as seldom as I use it to sleep on the boat.

I?ve taken it off and created a new removable piece which I only pull out from its storage place under the galley when I might want to make a bed.

I did have to add two extra little supports for the ledger board which is screwed to the main board.
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From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Thu Jul 15 09:00:25 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:00:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY67Z9RcJfgmTVBaOv8QQEc6kMCa6fZ+C4CPZVEbEna3EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH-6moTXSGOPZeSm0K+BTihS1iiNPvKeZRJOHyiArnr1g0uPvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the demo, very appreciated and you are a great host. Tracy
was very impressed, to the point she wants me to find one. Now if Stan
would reply to email and call, he might sell a boat ?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 5:29 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Hey Mike, great meeting you and Traci today.
> I'm glad the takeaways were helpful, and you can start the hunt!
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 1:20 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Nope. See if you can contact me more direct and we can coordinate.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 10:02 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, would love to come see it,  at your convenience. Think the
> rain
> >> breaks this weekend, does Sunday or Monday work for you?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:50 AM Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike, I am in Milwaukee.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just
> >> north
> >> > > Chicago. Any one in driving range?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Mom
> >> > > > Where are you located?
> >> > > > I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most
> >> > amazing
> >> > > > yacht ever.
> >> > > > Bob
> >> > > > Sail la Vie
> >> > > > Kent Island, MD
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <
> >> > mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids
> >> gone
> >> > > > > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my
> >> partner
> >> > an
> >> > > > > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would
> really
> >> > help
> >> > > > sell
> >> > > > > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Mjm
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 09:56:23 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:56:23 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions
Message-ID: <E1m41qh-000lqd-VH@s152.servername.online>

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the response. When I open my post with a time of 07:28 the photos show up. 

George

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 14:48:25 2021
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 13:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
Message-ID: <CANtNeFCpCQ_Q1WQP4cRehm6q1efkzdXCQLvY_bYDnC7i+d4PJQ@mail.gmail.com>

By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and its
simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with the
tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever to
make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off completely.
I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on the
transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of the
way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped out
of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:   https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/

Slim
Fandango
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 15:28:29 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 15:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFCpCQ_Q1WQP4cRehm6q1efkzdXCQLvY_bYDnC7i+d4PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFCpCQ_Q1WQP4cRehm6q1efkzdXCQLvY_bYDnC7i+d4PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2E8C1B6-17BA-41AA-AF12-D707EE28EF4D@gmail.com>

I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety. 

Highly recommended!

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and its
> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with the
> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever to
> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off completely.
> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on the
> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of the
> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped out
> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:   https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
> 
> Slim
> Fandango
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Jul 17 16:19:54 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:19:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <B2E8C1B6-17BA-41AA-AF12-D707EE28EF4D@gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFCpCQ_Q1WQP4cRehm6q1efkzdXCQLvY_bYDnC7i+d4PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <B2E8C1B6-17BA-41AA-AF12-D707EE28EF4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>

Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush 
mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.? The trombone 
fine adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller 
sailing with great precision.? Are you saying your boat does not have 
this feature or that it does and you prefer a different one you have 
tried and like better?

The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you 
sent to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you 
were responding to from Steven.? The point I want to make here is that 
if anyone needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.? 
I did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back 
and forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his 
interest in getting back into a Rhodes.? I only know of this MM thread 
because it was forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may 
know as the creator of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes 
IMF easier to use and provides better pointing performance.? Ask Graham 
Parker.? So I shouldn't waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready 
for this great upgrade, email Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

stan


On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
>
> Highly recommended!
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and its
>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with the
>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever to
>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off completely.
>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on the
>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of the
>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped out
>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:   https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>>
>> Slim
>> Fandango
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Jul 17 17:09:18 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.

Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 20:19:18 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:19:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>
References: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CE2A12F0-F639-44E2-9D6E-46E5121E071D@gmail.com>

Hi Stan,

I am aware of the hiking stick lock box, but with all due respect, the Tiller Clutch is a more refined solution that I know you would appreciate. 

It allows you to lock or unlock the tiller with the click of a finger from either side of the cockpit. Had you known of it I have no doubt that you would have made it a standard configuration for the Rhodes given your relentless pursuit of perfection!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone fine adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller sailing with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this feature or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and like better?
> 
> The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you sent to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you were responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if anyone needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.  I did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade, email Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
>> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
>> 
>> Highly recommended!
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
>>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and its
>>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
>>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with the
>>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
>>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever to
>>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off completely.
>>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
>>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on the
>>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of the
>>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped out
>>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
>>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:   https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> Fandango
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>> .
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 20:21:36 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>
References: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CDC04E46-396E-441F-9F7F-C956595AC193@gmail.com>

I should go on to say that I recently upgraded to Charles Gabriel?s new outhaul car and it is a major improvement. So far it has worked flawlessly for me. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone fine adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller sailing with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this feature or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and like better?
> 
> The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you sent to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you were responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if anyone needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.  I did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade, email Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
>> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
>> 
>> Highly recommended!
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
>>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and its
>>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
>>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with the
>>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
>>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever to
>>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off completely.
>>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
>>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on the
>>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of the
>>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped out
>>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
>>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:   https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> Fandango
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>> .
> 

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:01:13 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 08:01:13 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVB0KP0C=JM6gSeLySmvTm_pJ9ZGwjYLM6S1ZuJ-yyC7w@mail.gmail.com>

Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on the
hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have a
few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
over.

The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It would
be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
$5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently, Barcelona
to Greece.

I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.

Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS
Prevesa, Greece

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 11:04:29 2021
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <CDC04E46-396E-441F-9F7F-C956595AC193@gmail.com>
References: <eb437bc3-8962-8312-3585-8480ccec7dc3@generalboats.com>
 <CDC04E46-396E-441F-9F7F-C956595AC193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANtNeFCSxwtoH06U-v=V5v9OcEHWSPUX06coq2mgLOFnKyBbnQ@mail.gmail.com>

As you can see in the pics, I do have the hiking stick and the broom pole
clips mounted on the vertical rails of my stern pulpit that came as
original equipment on my 1990 boat. I use it to secure the tiller when
putting the boat ?to bed? at the dock and also for trailering. I use a
short length of line to tie the stick into the rail clip so it?s very
secure. As for using it when sailing, I?ve only done that maybe two or
three times in the 25 years I?ve had the boat. It?s rather clumsy and I?ve
never liked it. The tiller clutch has that beat hands down. Wherever you?re
sitting or standing you have one hand on the tiller already, and right at
your fingertips you have complete and immediate control of the locking
mechanism. When tacking, you push the helm hard over and it stays there
while you handle the jib sheets or traveler. After she?s about you center
it and it stays there while you make further adjustments. You can?t do that
with the hiking stick nearly as easily if for no other reason than it takes
two hands to play the trombone ? and as a brass player myself, I know of
which I speak. Now, let?s say you have a sandwich in one hand?

Slim
Fandango

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:21 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I should go on to say that I recently upgraded to Charles Gabriel?s new
> outhaul car and it is a major improvement. So far it has worked flawlessly
> for me.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush
> mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone
> fine adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller
> sailing with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this
> feature or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and
> like better?
> >
> > The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you
> sent to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you
> were responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if
> anyone needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> > since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.
> I did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and
> forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in
> getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was
> forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator
> of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and
> provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't
> waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade, email
> Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
> >> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my
> Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and
> loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
> >>
> >> Highly recommended!
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> s/v Liber
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so
> I
> >>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and
> its
> >>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
> >>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with
> the
> >>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
> >>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little
> lever to
> >>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off
> completely.
> >>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
> >>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably
> on the
> >>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of
> the
> >>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily
> slipped out
> >>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
> >>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:
> https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>> Fandango
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >
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> >
> >> .
> >
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 21:37:27 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:37:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBKxzFNiPXEw6QhT=_SN_-5iWY5_0B0aBiNdk2D7KHTXw@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,
Looks terrific.
Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire configuration
a custom build?
Bob G


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
>
> Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 18 22:06:31 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:06:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBBKxzFNiPXEw6QhT=_SN_-5iWY5_0B0aBiNdk2D7KHTXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBKxzFNiPXEw6QhT=_SN_-5iWY5_0B0aBiNdk2D7KHTXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5oCwzY2ztdfnRYUsZ8q2C4eJ_bRcgj5kW=dv+i8-Cd_g@mail.gmail.com>

Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...

Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is also
free to adjust as needed.

It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get out.
Just like the trailer.

If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the files.
For now I only have the parts.

All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> Looks terrific.
> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire configuration
> a custom build?
> Bob G
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
> >
> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > >
> >
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul 19 08:58:13 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVB0KP0C=JM6gSeLySmvTm_pJ9ZGwjYLM6S1ZuJ-yyC7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVB0KP0C=JM6gSeLySmvTm_pJ9ZGwjYLM6S1ZuJ-yyC7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e9a176-f861-a13f-5649-ef1d00876c6c@atlanticbb.net>

Chris,
So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice 
has an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months 
aboard. I'll be looking forward to your journals.

Mary Lou

On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on the
> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have a
> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
> over.
>
> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It would
> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently, Barcelona
> to Greece.
>
> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V ENOSIS
> Prevesa, Greece


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From rodellner at mac.com  Mon Jul 19 12:53:18 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:53:18 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
In-Reply-To: <18e9a176-f861-a13f-5649-ef1d00876c6c@atlanticbb.net>
References: <18e9a176-f861-a13f-5649-ef1d00876c6c@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <52FEC81B-663B-4CCB-801D-31EED7141F1B@mac.com>

Chris

Glad to hear that Enosis weathered the Covid forced stay over well.  Fair Winds as you sail.   Hope that Alice has an uneventful trip to join up with you.    We?re looking forward to your journals and pictures.  Sailing vicariously through you!

Rod and Mary
..now in CO..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Chris,
> So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice has an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months aboard. I'll be looking forward to your journals.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
>> On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on the
>> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have a
>> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
>> over.
>> 
>> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
>> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
>> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
>> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It would
>> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
>> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
>> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently, Barcelona
>> to Greece.
>> 
>> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
>> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> S/V ENOSIS
>> Prevesa, Greece
> 
> 
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 15:19:45 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:19:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger?
In-Reply-To: <1621632775802-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1621632775802-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <072c01d77cd3$08d17f50$1a747df0$@gmail.com>

Hi Jeff, Did you get any replies to this? I checked Nabble but didn't see
anything there. I agree that it would be a nice feature which can probably
utilize some of the pop top enclosure snaps. Thanks, Mike McKay s/v Liber
Allatoona Lake Acworth, GA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On
Behalf Of JeffSmith Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM To:
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger? Has anyone
built a spray dodger for the pop top in the raised position? It could be a
plus for inclement weather, but less complicated than the full enclosure.
----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal
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From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Mon Jul 19 17:55:20 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger?
In-Reply-To: <072c01d77cd3$08d17f50$1a747df0$@gmail.com>
References: <1621632775802-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <072c01d77cd3$08d17f50$1a747df0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moT077LYePcJFkFc3Lr3mXZNaTx5o6OQ3-zq=X=e7z6yqA@mail.gmail.com>

I assume I wrong, but in any condition with enough  wind to get around the
hull shape, the last thing I would want is the poptop up, blocking view,
grabbing more wind.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 2:19 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, Did you get any replies to this? I checked Nabble but didn't see
> anything there. I agree that it would be a nice feature which can probably
> utilize some of the pop top enclosure snaps. Thanks, Mike McKay s/v Liber
> Allatoona Lake Acworth, GA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list
> On
> Behalf Of JeffSmith Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM To:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger? Has
> anyone
> built a spray dodger for the pop top in the raised position? It could be a
> plus for inclement weather, but less complicated than the full enclosure.
> ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal
> Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from:
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>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 11:40:44 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:40:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
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The only thing that can't be weathered is how customers is going to react
to a boat that is technically overstayed its permit by 7 months.  I'm
working some angles and will know in a couple of days if I will be sending
you pics of Ionian sailing or a Greek jail.  Just kidding ( I hope).
Chris

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 12:53 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris
>
> Glad to hear that Enosis weathered the Covid forced stay over well.  Fair
> Winds as you sail.   Hope that Alice has an uneventful trip to join up with
> you.    We?re looking forward to your journals and pictures.  Sailing
> vicariously through you!
>
> Rod and Mary
> ..now in CO..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 19, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Chris,
> > So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice
> has an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months aboard.
> I'll be looking forward to your journals.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> >> On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> >> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on
> the
> >> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I
> have a
> >> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice
> comes
> >> over.
> >>
> >> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
> >> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
> >> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a
> Rhodes,
> >> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It
> would
> >> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or
> for
> >> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
> >> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently,
> Barcelona
> >> to Greece.
> >>
> >> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
> >> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> S/V ENOSIS
> >> Prevesa, Greece
> >
> >
> > --
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 16:50:12 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
Message-ID: <08ab01d77da8$d613d280$823b7780$@gmail.com>

Hi All,

 

The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard galley
position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in its
carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are your
recommendations? 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Mike McKay

s/v Liber (2006/2018)

Allatoona Lake

Acworth, GA

 

 


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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 17:02:43 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:02:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
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I think it?s safer & more convenient to use mounted in the galley.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 4:50 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard galley
> position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
> condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
> whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in its
> carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are your
> recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike McKay
>
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Allatoona Lake
>
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Jul 20 17:36:53 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:36:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjeKBnNAkxGtGqjqWoa0nKxm4e46rdH4D2UtXa+fQ0L+xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree, you should figure a mount and could conver the shelf for such
use... You can option to take it elsewhere...  The exact model,.I recall is
about 30 bucks, maybe it wasn't available

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 4:02 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it?s safer & more convenient to use mounted in the galley.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 4:50 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard galley
> > position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
> > condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
> > whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in its
> > carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are
> your
> > recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> >
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> >
> > Allatoona Lake
> >
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> >
> > <
> >
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> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 06:27:28 2021
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:27:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used IMF mainsail wanted
Message-ID: <46277467-B314-48CA-9C82-06C25B811A18@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone in the list have a used mainsail (in reasonable condition) for sale? It?d have to be compatible with GB?s IMF. 

Thanks

Jose

S/V Steady State
Rose Haven, MD

From robert at pamayared.com  Wed Jul 21 06:52:41 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:52:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
Message-ID: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed
batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch that
mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built brand
that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes to
drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
Thanks for your help

From cknell at vt.edu  Wed Jul 21 11:14:28 2021
From: cknell at vt.edu (Christopher Knell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
Message-ID: <CAJVrjzzRAWKBWSP_KXHR3FkoXCnEXCg5Jgu2pvDfqGsRY69BAA@mail.gmail.com>

 Steven,

Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
hardware?

Thanks,
Chris

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 11:48:28 2021
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:48:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <CAJVrjzzRAWKBWSP_KXHR3FkoXCnEXCg5Jgu2pvDfqGsRY69BAA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Chris. Mine came with 12? but it?s just a length of 3/16? Sta Set so you
can modify as you wish. It also came with two mounting screws and that?s
all you need. Pete Crawford is the guy who sells them and he?s very
responsive to any questions.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:14 AM Christopher Knell <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:

>  Steven,
>
> Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
> or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
> hardware?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jul 21 11:49:01 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5oCwzY2ztdfnRYUsZ8q2C4eJ_bRcgj5kW=dv+i8-Cd_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBKxzFNiPXEw6QhT=_SN_-5iWY5_0B0aBiNdk2D7KHTXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4m6v2JqcZcRGBpHUpH8C4hP5SHGi8oY0Dr3p=+PQPNnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a bit
dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
quality...
You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
adjust to match the angles.

You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as a
step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.

Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
>
> Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
> The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is also
> free to adjust as needed.
>
> It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get out.
> Just like the trailer.
>
> If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the files.
> For now I only have the parts.
>
> All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>> Looks terrific.
>> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
>> configuration
>> a custom build?
>> Bob G
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
>> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
>> >
>> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:19:05 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:19:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4m6v2JqcZcRGBpHUpH8C4hP5SHGi8oY0Dr3p=+PQPNnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I posted
in the archives probably 10+ years ago.

It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a bit
> dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
> quality...
> You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
> adjust to match the angles.
>
> You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
> parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as a
> step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
>
> Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> >
> > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
> > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is also
> > free to adjust as needed.
> >
> > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get out.
> > Just like the trailer.
> >
> > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> files.
> > For now I only have the parts.
> >
> > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >> Looks terrific.
> >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> >> configuration
> >> a custom build?
> >> Bob G
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> stable.
> >> >
> >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
> >> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >> >
> >>
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> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jul 21 22:15:42 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMM_FL6QH1Vu6hEsxMyjKLz45nss_0_i41orkWwmVMaqmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7hOKAjjm+f=t3_7BhLkW=NbnzUfaPnFk7_MKcEnADNgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBKxzFNiPXEw6QhT=_SN_-5iWY5_0B0aBiNdk2D7KHTXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY5oCwzY2ztdfnRYUsZ8q2C4eJ_bRcgj5kW=dv+i8-Cd_g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6K-bA+JgQPHoKekhe0+MdCHy6GCxQ=2ngKjn8=HLjjYA@mail.gmail.com>

Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.

I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
> owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I posted
> in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
>
> It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
> compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
>
> Todd T.
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a
> bit
> > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
> > quality...
> > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
> > adjust to match the angles.
> >
> > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
> > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as a
> > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> >
> > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > >
> > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
> > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is
> also
> > > free to adjust as needed.
> > >
> > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get
> out.
> > > Just like the trailer.
> > >
> > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> > files.
> > > For now I only have the parts.
> > >
> > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >> Looks terrific.
> > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > >> configuration
> > >> a custom build?
> > >> Bob G
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > stable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> together?
> > >> > -------------- next part --------------
> > >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> > Name: IMG_20200828_204852_03.jpg
> > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > >> > Size: 113934 bytes
> > >> > Desc: not available
> > >> > URL: <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210717/4244a4ef/attachment.jpg
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 05:18:40 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 05:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
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Its in the Archives circa 2004?. I'll have to search for it on the new
website.

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:15 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.
>
> I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
> > owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I posted
> > in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
> >
> > It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
> > compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a
> > bit
> > > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to
> the
> > > quality...
> > > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
> > > adjust to match the angles.
> > >
> > > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
> > > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act
> as a
> > > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> > >
> > > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > > >
> > > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the
> yolk.
> > > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is
> > also
> > > > free to adjust as needed.
> > > >
> > > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get
> > out.
> > > > Just like the trailer.
> > > >
> > > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> > > files.
> > > > For now I only have the parts.
> > > >
> > > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Tom,
> > > >> Looks terrific.
> > > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > > >> configuration
> > > >> a custom build?
> > > >> Bob G
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into
> any
> > > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > > stable.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> > together?
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> >
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From stevenalm at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 08:59:31 2021
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 07:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
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Todd, as I recall he lived on a canal in Florida and built the lift
symmetrically so that the boat could enter from either end, and presumably
exit going forward either direction  ? so therefore no V shaped centerboard
catcher and just side bunks.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its in the Archives circa 2004?. I'll have to search for it on the new
> website.
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:15 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.
> >
> > I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes
> 22
> > > owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I
> posted
> > > in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
> > >
> > > It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
> > > compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
> > >
> > > Todd T.
> > >
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.
> It's a
> > > bit
> > > > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to
> > the
> > > > quality...
> > > > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up
> and
> > > > adjust to match the angles.
> > > >
> > > > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the
> long
> > > > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act
> > as a
> > > > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> > > >
> > > > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > > > >
> > > > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the
> > yolk.
> > > > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width
> is
> > > also
> > > > > free to adjust as needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and
> get
> > > out.
> > > > > Just like the trailer.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> > > > files.
> > > > > For now I only have the parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Tom,
> > > > >> Looks terrific.
> > > > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > > > >> configuration
> > > > >> a custom build?
> > > > >> Bob G
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into
> > any
> > > > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > > > stable.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> > > together?
> > > > >> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > > > >> >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul 22 10:49:12 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:49:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
In-Reply-To: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011c01d77f08$bd013d80$3703b880$@ebsmed.com>

Several Rhodies have fixed or replaced their winches and/or components.

I suggest that you start by taking a look at the archives, particularly the following threads:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083504.html
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083767.html
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-January/086910.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message-----

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Robert@ Pamaya Red
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch

Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch that mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built brand that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes to drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
Thanks for your help


From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Thu Jul 22 11:15:07 2021
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:15:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
Message-ID: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I see others on this list are racing their R22.

We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake Sunapee Cruising Fleet).

Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that makes me ask some questions.

Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
If so, I would love to talk more.

Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on bow, pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away from land in time.
Furled the Genoa before collision.
Unable to furl the IMF main.
12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un cleat and furl the IMF main.
My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only option.
(NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).

Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.

Damaged:
Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
Skippers (pride).

Question:
Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the headsail?

Happy Sailing everyone!
Be safe,

Bob



From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Thu Jul 22 12:32:01 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 11:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>

10-12 is very norminal conditions, I think what happened, you founds out
any any sail boat has no streeting control with out water passing over the
rudder, i.e you lost all your speed and went broad side to the wind while
trying to get your sails down. That might have not been the best move. Btw
you still need to go into the wind with IMF to get the pressure off and
line up the slot. You should have been at hull speed when this started so
tack/jive early er(leave room for non perfection, something breaks), we all
blown it from time to time, drop the motor quick if you do not have the
room, try anchor but hard to do that with out practice.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester <
C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> I see others on this list are racing their R22.
>
> We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake
> Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
>
> Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that makes
> me ask some questions.
>
> Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
> If so, I would love to talk more.
>
> Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on bow,
> pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away from land
> in time.
> Furled the Genoa before collision.
> Unable to furl the IMF main.
> 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un
> cleat and furl the IMF main.
> My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only
> option.
> (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
>
> Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
>
> Damaged:
> Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
> Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
> Skippers (pride).
>
> Question:
> Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily
> operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the
> headsail?
>
> Happy Sailing everyone!
> Be safe,
>
> Bob
>
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 13:02:46 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:02:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Bob, sorry to hear about the incident.  I think Mike's notes are right
on point.

Regarding your questions about rigging for IMF, I copied Peter's rigging
changes to run the rigging and outhaul lines to the cabin top which I find
easier than the under-boom setup.  Here's a writeup on that:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/2bf83996/attachment.pdf


I used to race the Rhodes 22 a bit, but there is a performance hit for the
IMF so I decided to focus on other boats for racing and enjoy the R22 for
cruising.  I love the convenience of the IMF.  I know others on the list,
such as Roger, have had good racing success on a Rhodes with a traditional
mainsail.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:32 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> 10-12 is very norminal conditions, I think what happened, you founds out
> any any sail boat has no streeting control with out water passing over the
> rudder, i.e you lost all your speed and went broad side to the wind while
> trying to get your sails down. That might have not been the best move. Btw
> you still need to go into the wind with IMF to get the pressure off and
> line up the slot. You should have been at hull speed when this started so
> tack/jive early er(leave room for non perfection, something breaks), we all
> blown it from time to time, drop the motor quick if you do not have the
> room, try anchor but hard to do that with out practice.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > I see others on this list are racing their R22.
> >
> > We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake
> > Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
> >
> > Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that makes
> > me ask some questions.
> >
> > Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
> > If so, I would love to talk more.
> >
> > Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on bow,
> > pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away from
> land
> > in time.
> > Furled the Genoa before collision.
> > Unable to furl the IMF main.
> > 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un
> > cleat and furl the IMF main.
> > My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only
> > option.
> > (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
> >
> > Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
> >
> > Damaged:
> > Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
> > Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
> > Skippers (pride).
> >
> > Question:
> > Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily
> > operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the
> > headsail?
> >
> > Happy Sailing everyone!
> > Be safe,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 13:10:45 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF0D0B7B-4AF5-4392-8427-15EC4DD1209B@gmail.com>

I race on a lake regularly?usually wishing the winds would be stronger (central Georgia is known for having little wind in the summer).   I agree with Michael?s assessment.  If you are racing in what would be a gentle to moderate breeze on the Beaufort Scale, you might try lowering the boom and sail to the bottom position.  This lowers the Center of Effort and reduces heeling giving you more speed.   If you?re still heeling beyond about 15-20 degrees it?s time to reef.  It?s usually best to reef both main and Genoa to maintain proper balance.  

The main needs to be reefed into the wind, the Genoa can be reefed on a broad reach also. 

I am planning on adding a clam cleat to my boom for the furling line since I find the horn cleats awkward to use, especially when the wind is up. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2021, at 12:32 PM, michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?10-12 is very norminal conditions, I think what happened, you founds out
> any any sail boat has no streeting control with out water passing over the
> rudder, i.e you lost all your speed and went broad side to the wind while
> trying to get your sails down. That might have not been the best move. Btw
> you still need to go into the wind with IMF to get the pressure off and
> line up the slot. You should have been at hull speed when this started so
> tack/jive early er(leave room for non perfection, something breaks), we all
> blown it from time to time, drop the motor quick if you do not have the
> room, try anchor but hard to do that with out practice.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I see others on this list are racing their R22.
>> 
>> We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake
>> Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
>> 
>> Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that makes
>> me ask some questions.
>> 
>> Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
>> If so, I would love to talk more.
>> 
>> Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on bow,
>> pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away from land
>> in time.
>> Furled the Genoa before collision.
>> Unable to furl the IMF main.
>> 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un
>> cleat and furl the IMF main.
>> My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only
>> option.
>> (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
>> 
>> Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
>> 
>> Damaged:
>> Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
>> Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
>> Skippers (pride).
>> 
>> Question:
>> Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily
>> operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the
>> headsail?
>> 
>> Happy Sailing everyone!
>> Be safe,
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> 

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 13:57:07 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCP+y6vQB8wAPEni-Sn3ry2a+BcedWg3kEh+opTq4f8sg@mail.gmail.com>

I typically single hand my Rhodes 22 on the Chester River off Kent Island.
I prefer 7-12 kts but I?ve sailed in 18-22 kts at times, with 1-2 waves.
Because I am so close to the Chesapeake Bay the wind and waves can change
quickly. I extended the inhaul line for the IMF so I could easily reach it
from the stern and maintain tiller and mainsheet control.
Bob G
s/v Sail la Vie
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM C. Robert Lester <
C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> I see others on this list are racing their R22.
>
> We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake
> Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
>
> Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that makes
> me ask some questions.
>
> Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
> If so, I would love to talk more.
>
> Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on bow,
> pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away from land
> in time.
> Furled the Genoa before collision.
> Unable to furl the IMF main.
> 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un
> cleat and furl the IMF main.
> My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only
> option.
> (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
>
> Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
>
> Damaged:
> Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
> Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
> Skippers (pride).
>
> Question:
> Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily
> operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the
> headsail?
>
> Happy Sailing everyone!
> Be safe,
>
> Bob
>
>
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 13:59:57 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
In-Reply-To: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBB=xTNo68fjbYud0bjyC8GsjBi7hNMsKgV4YnPqiV+PSw@mail.gmail.com>

I had the same issues with my remote as well. I replaced it with a two
button switch on the transom near the outboard. Simplified things
immensely. I am currently traveling but I can send pictures when I get back
to Kent Island. I will ask the Marina service department for the part
numbers for the switch .
Bob G

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:52 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
wrote:

> Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed
> batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
> Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch that
> mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built brand
> that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes to
> drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
> Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
> Thanks for your help
>

From robert at pamayared.com  Thu Jul 22 14:10:15 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:10:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
In-Reply-To: <011c01d77f08$bd013d80$3703b880$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <011c01d77f08$bd013d80$3703b880$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAJM+vrvSesLDwo0NhVOLDFv-KnqqkVZBwg_1U2qgx-GHRNjsDA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you.


On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Several Rhodies have fixed or replaced their winches and/or components.
>
> I suggest that you start by taking a look at the archives, particularly
> the following threads:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083504.html
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083767.html
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-January/086910.html
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Robert@ Pamaya Red
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
>
> Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed
> batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
> Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch
> that mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built
> brand that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes
> to drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
> Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
> Thanks for your help
>
>

From robert at pamayared.com  Thu Jul 22 14:10:40 2021
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBB=xTNo68fjbYud0bjyC8GsjBi7hNMsKgV4YnPqiV+PSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBB=xTNo68fjbYud0bjyC8GsjBi7hNMsKgV4YnPqiV+PSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJM+vrsmKpLsHxZVbrKmDrUW-c7gL5nAWuXpCQUPMuFsjH+22g@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you. I'd appreciate the pics

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 2:00 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had the same issues with my remote as well. I replaced it with a two
> button switch on the transom near the outboard. Simplified things
> immensely. I am currently traveling but I can send pictures when I get back
> to Kent Island. I will ask the Marina service department for the part
> numbers for the switch .
> Bob G
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:52 AM Robert@ Pamaya Red <robert at pamayared.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed
> > batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
> > Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch
> that
> > mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built
> brand
> > that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes to
> > drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
> > Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
> > Thanks for your help
> >
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Jul 22 16:06:35 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4366, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1495.1626958784.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1495.1626958784.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <015901d77f35$1a2a8f30$4e7fad90$@hughes.net>

I agree with Mike. If you're in that kind of blow, you'd want the pop-top
down. A dodger with the pop-top in the lower position would be suitable.
Snapped to the front and sides of the pop-top itself but can't see an
ability to lower the boom to the lower setting with a dodger.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template (Tom Van Heule)
   2. Re: Tiller Clutch (Michael McKay)
   3. Re: Tiller Clutch (Michael McKay)
   4. Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021 (Chris Geankoplis)
   5. Re: Tiller Clutch (Steven Alm)
   6. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template (Bob Garrant)
   7. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
      (Tom Van Heule)
   8. Re: Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021 (Mary Lou Troy)
   9. Re: Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021 (Rod Ellner)
  10. Re: Spray Dodger? (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  11. Re: Spray Dodger? (michael meltzer)
  12. Re: Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021 (Chris Geankoplis)
  13. Where to put the burner? (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  14. Re: Where to put the burner? (Stephen Staum)
  15. Re: Where to put the burner? (Tom Van Heule)
  16. Used IMF mainsail wanted (Jose Faraldo-Gomez)
  17. Trouble with remote control for outboard winch
      (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
  18. Tiller Clutch (Christopher Knell)
  19. Re: Tiller Clutch (Steven Alm)
  20. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
      (Tom Van Heule)
  21. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template (Todd Tavares)
  22. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template
      (Tom Van Heule)
  23. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template (Todd Tavares)
  24. Re: Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift template (Steven Alm)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:09:18 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
	template
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I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.

Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:19:18 -0400
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
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Hi Stan,

I am aware of the hiking stick lock box, but with all due respect, the
Tiller Clutch is a more refined solution that I know you would appreciate. 

It allows you to lock or unlock the tiller with the click of a finger from
either side of the cockpit. Had you known of it I have no doubt that you
would have made it a standard configuration for the Rhodes given your
relentless pursuit of perfection!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush
mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone fine
adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller sailing
with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this feature
or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and like
better?
> 
> The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you sent
to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you were
responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if anyone
needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.  I
did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and
forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in
getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was
forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator
of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and
provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't
waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade, email
Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
>> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my
Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and
loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
>> 
>> Highly recommended!
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
>>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and
its
>>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
>>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with
the
>>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
>>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever
to
>>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off
completely.
>>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
>>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on
the
>>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of
the
>>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped
out
>>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
>>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:
https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> Fandango
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:21:36 -0400
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
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I should go on to say that I recently upgraded to Charles Gabriel?s new
outhaul car and it is a major improvement. So far it has worked flawlessly
for me. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush
mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone fine
adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller sailing
with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this feature
or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and like
better?
> 
> The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you sent
to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you were
responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if anyone
needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.  I
did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and
forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in
getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was
forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator
of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and
provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't
waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade, email
Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
>> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my
Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and
loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
>> 
>> Highly recommended!
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so I
>>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and
its
>>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig. I
>>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with
the
>>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
>>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little lever
to
>>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off
completely.
>>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
>>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably on
the
>>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of
the
>>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily slipped
out
>>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on in
>>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:
https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> Fandango
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 08:01:13 +0300
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, stan
	<stan at generalboats.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
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Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on the
hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have a
few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
over.

The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It would
be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
$5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently, Barcelona
to Greece.

I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.

Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS
Prevesa, Greece

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:04:29 -0500
From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
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As you can see in the pics, I do have the hiking stick and the broom pole
clips mounted on the vertical rails of my stern pulpit that came as
original equipment on my 1990 boat. I use it to secure the tiller when
putting the boat ?to bed? at the dock and also for trailering. I use a
short length of line to tie the stick into the rail clip so it?s very
secure. As for using it when sailing, I?ve only done that maybe two or
three times in the 25 years I?ve had the boat. It?s rather clumsy and I?ve
never liked it. The tiller clutch has that beat hands down. Wherever you?re
sitting or standing you have one hand on the tiller already, and right at
your fingertips you have complete and immediate control of the locking
mechanism. When tacking, you push the helm hard over and it stays there
while you handle the jib sheets or traveler. After she?s about you center
it and it stays there while you make further adjustments. You can?t do that
with the hiking stick nearly as easily if for no other reason than it takes
two hands to play the trombone ? and as a brass player myself, I know of
which I speak. Now, let?s say you have a sandwich in one hand?

Slim
Fandango

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:21 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I should go on to say that I recently upgraded to Charles Gabriel?s new
> outhaul car and it is a major improvement. So far it has worked flawlessly
> for me.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Michael, the boat you bought should have come with a Forespar flush
> mounted hiking stick locking box in the starboard gunnel.  The trombone
> fine adjustment of the hiking stick lets you set no hands on the tiller
> sailing with great precision.  Are you saying your boat does not have this
> feature or that it does and you prefer a different one you have tried and
> like better?
> >
> > The other interesting thing to me is that I got to see your email you
> sent to the list just now but do not see others such as the one that you
> were responding to from Steven.  The point I want to make here is that if
> anyone needs to contact me please do so via stan at generlboats.com
> > since I only am now getting to see List emails by some lottery formula.
> I did not get a single email of the recent thread of emails going back and
> forth between Michael Meltzer and several List members re his interest in
> getting back into a Rhodes.  I only know of this MM thread because it was
> forwarded to me by Charles Gabriel who some of you may know as the creator
> of the fabulous IMF restyled outhaul car that makes IMF easier to use and
> provides better pointing performance.  Ask Graham Parker.  So I shouldn't
> waste a selling opportunity, if you are ready for this great upgrade,
email
> Charles at: <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >> On 7/17/21 3:28 PM, Michael McKay wrote:
> >> I totally agree with Steven?the first thing I did after acquiring my
> Rhodes was to install a Tiller Clutch. I had one on my previous boat and
> loved it. It greatly simplifies single handing and improves safety.
> >>
> >> Highly recommended!
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> s/v Liber
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 17, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?By happenstance I ran across this product, bought it, and love it, so
> I
> >>> thought I'd share: The Tiller Clutch is very well built and sturdy and
> its
> >>> simplicity, ease, and immediacy makes for a great addition to my rig.
I
> >>> installed it yesterday and sailed hands free most of the day and with
> the
> >>> tiller locked in place I had fun steering the boat by just shifting my
> >>> weight port to starboard. It couldn't be easier to grab its little
> lever to
> >>> make small adjustments, or with a little flick, it clicks off
> completely.
> >>> I'm still experimenting with the placement of the control line but
> >>> eventually I'll install dedicated cam cleats or V type jams probably
> on the
> >>> transom ? something that can be immediately released to get it out of
> the
> >>> way quickly if in some urgent situation. The line can be easily
> slipped out
> >>> of the clutch and stowed when not in use and can be threaded back on
in
> >>> seconds. (see two pics) Check it out at:
> https://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>> Fandango
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:37:27 -0400
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Tom,
Looks terrific.
Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire configuration
a custom build?
Bob G


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
>
> Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:06:31 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...

Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is also
free to adjust as needed.

It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get out.
Just like the trailer.

If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the files.
For now I only have the parts.

All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> Looks terrific.
> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
configuration
> a custom build?
> Bob G
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
> >
> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > >
> >
>

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:58:13 -0400
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
Message-ID: <18e9a176-f861-a13f-5649-ef1d00876c6c at atlanticbb.net>
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Chris,
So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice 
has an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months 
aboard. I'll be looking forward to your journals.

Mary Lou

On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on the
> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have a
> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
> over.
>
> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It would
> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently, Barcelona
> to Greece.
>
> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V ENOSIS
> Prevesa, Greece


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:53:18 -0600
From: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
Message-ID: <52FEC81B-663B-4CCB-801D-31EED7141F1B at mac.com>
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Chris

Glad to hear that Enosis weathered the Covid forced stay over well.  Fair
Winds as you sail.   Hope that Alice has an uneventful trip to join up with
you.    We?re looking forward to your journals and pictures.  Sailing
vicariously through you!

Rod and Mary
..now in CO..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Chris,
> So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice has
an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months aboard. I'll
be looking forward to your journals.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
>> On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on
the
>> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I have
a
>> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice comes
>> over.
>> 
>> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be our
>> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
>> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a Rhodes,
>> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It
would
>> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or for
>> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
>> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently,
Barcelona
>> to Greece.
>> 
>> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
>> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> S/V ENOSIS
>> Prevesa, Greece
> 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:19:45 -0400
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger?
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Hi Jeff, Did you get any replies to this? I checked Nabble but didn't see
anything there. I agree that it would be a nice feature which can probably
utilize some of the pop top enclosure snaps. Thanks, Mike McKay s/v Liber
Allatoona Lake Acworth, GA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On
Behalf Of JeffSmith Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM To:
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger? Has anyone
built a spray dodger for the pop top in the raised position? It could be a
plus for inclement weather, but less complicated than the full enclosure.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:55:20 -0500
From: michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger?
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I assume I wrong, but in any condition with enough  wind to get around the
hull shape, the last thing I would want is the poptop up, blocking view,
grabbing more wind.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 2:19 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, Did you get any replies to this? I checked Nabble but didn't see
> anything there. I agree that it would be a nice feature which can probably
> utilize some of the pop top enclosure snaps. Thanks, Mike McKay s/v Liber
> Allatoona Lake Acworth, GA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list
> On
> Behalf Of JeffSmith Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM To:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger? Has
> anyone
> built a spray dodger for the pop top in the raised position? It could be a
> plus for inclement weather, but less complicated than the full enclosure.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:40:44 -0400
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med in a Rhodes 2021
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The only thing that can't be weathered is how customers is going to react
to a boat that is technically overstayed its permit by 7 months.  I'm
working some angles and will know in a couple of days if I will be sending
you pics of Ionian sailing or a Greek jail.  Just kidding ( I hope).
Chris

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 12:53 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris
>
> Glad to hear that Enosis weathered the Covid forced stay over well.  Fair
> Winds as you sail.   Hope that Alice has an uneventful trip to join up
with
> you.    We?re looking forward to your journals and pictures.  Sailing
> vicariously through you!
>
> Rod and Mary
> ..now in CO..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 19, 2021, at 6:58 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Chris,
> > So glad to hear Enosis is in great shape after the lay-off. Hope Alice
> has an easy trip over. Best wishes for a couple of wonderful months
aboard.
> I'll be looking forward to your journals.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> >> On 7/18/2021 1:01 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> >> Easy trip over to Corfu, just a bit more paperwork. After two years on
> the
> >> hard under tarps, no water inside, everything mold free and dry!  I
> have a
> >> few more days of work and then ?sea trials? for a week before Alice
> comes
> >> over.
> >>
> >> The travel time has become an issue for Alice, so sadly this will be
our
> >> last season in the Med. if anyone out there, individually or as a small
> >> group, is interested in experiencing the eastern Med on your on a
> Rhodes,
> >> let me know.  I think $4500 would be fair for anyone on the list. It
> would
> >> be available after October 1st in the water in Rhodes (naturally). Or
> for
> >> $5500 in the following spring.  If you are new to the list check out my
> >> previous postings on Enosis in Canada, Mexico and most recently,
> Barcelona
> >> to Greece.
> >>
> >> I?ll be posting the journals in a few weeks or sooner. Until then, fair
> >> winds, following seas and a couple of shots of Ouzo.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> S/V ENOSIS
> >> Prevesa, Greece
> >
> >
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:12 -0400
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
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Hi All,

 

The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard galley
position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in its
carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are your
recommendations? 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Mike McKay

s/v Liber (2006/2018)

Allatoona Lake

Acworth, GA

 

 


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:02:43 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
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I think it?s safer & more convenient to use mounted in the galley.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 4:50 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard galley
> position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
> condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
> whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in its
> carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are
your
> recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike McKay
>
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Allatoona Lake
>
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:36:53 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to put the burner?
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I agree, you should figure a mount and could conver the shelf for such
use... You can option to take it elsewhere...  The exact model,.I recall is
about 30 bucks, maybe it wasn't available

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 4:02 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it?s safer & more convenient to use mounted in the galley.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 4:50 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > The single burner stove of my Rhodes was installed in the standard
galley
> > position under the counter next to the sink.  Since the unit was in sad
> > condition I purchased a new burner to replace it, but now I am wondering
> > whether to reinstall it in the same place or just keep it portable in
its
> > carrying case for use in the cockpit or galley as preferred.  What are
> your
> > recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> >
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> >
> > Allatoona Lake
> >
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> >
> > <
> >
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:27:28 -0400
From: Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used IMF mainsail wanted
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Hi all,

Does anyone in the list have a used mainsail (in reasonable condition) for
sale? It?d have to be compatible with GB?s IMF. 

Thanks

Jose

S/V Steady State
Rose Haven, MD

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:52:41 -0400
From: "Robert@ Pamaya Red" <robert at pamayared.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trouble with remote control for outboard
	winch
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	<CAJM+vrtU4DTVRFJibg4Fub7UaDpvS=WX0g4gSCa03yTZuvOQeQ at mail.gmail.com>
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Having trouble with remote that raises and lowers outboard. Changed
batteries and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
Emailed Stan and he suggested to either switch to a rocker type switch that
mounts on the transom or replace the winch model with a better built brand
that has the same footprint as the one that's there so no new holes to
drill plus it comes standard with both a switch and a remote.
Stan doesn't know where to get these and suggested asking the list.
Thanks for your help

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:14:28 -0400
From: Christopher Knell <cknell at vt.edu>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
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 Steven,

Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
hardware?

Thanks,
Chris

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:48:28 -0500
From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
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Hi Chris. Mine came with 12? but it?s just a length of 3/16? Sta Set so you
can modify as you wish. It also came with two mounting screws and that?s
all you need. Pete Crawford is the guy who sells them and he?s very
responsive to any questions.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:14 AM Christopher Knell <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:

>  Steven,
>
> Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
> or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
> hardware?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:49:01 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a bit
dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
quality...
You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
adjust to match the angles.

You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as a
step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.

Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
>
> Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
> The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is also
> free to adjust as needed.
>
> It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get out.
> Just like the trailer.
>
> If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the files.
> For now I only have the parts.
>
> All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>> Looks terrific.
>> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
>> configuration
>> a custom build?
>> Bob G
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
>> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and stable.
>> >
>> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run together?
>> > -------------- next part --------------
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>> >
>>
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>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:19:05 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
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Tom,

The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I posted
in the archives probably 10+ years ago.

It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a
bit
> dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
> quality...
> You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
> adjust to match the angles.
>
> You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
> parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as a
> step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
>
> Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> >
> > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the yolk.
> > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is
also
> > free to adjust as needed.
> >
> > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get
out.
> > Just like the trailer.
> >
> > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> files.
> > For now I only have the parts.
> >
> > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >> Looks terrific.
> >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> >> configuration
> >> a custom build?
> >> Bob G
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> stable.
> >> >
> >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
together?
> >> > -------------- next part --------------
> >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >> > Size: 113934 bytes
> >> > Desc: not available
> >> > URL: <
> >> >
> >>
>
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210717/4244a4ef/at
tachment.jpg
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
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> >
>

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:15:42 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.

I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
> owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I posted
> in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
>
> It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
> compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
>
> Todd T.
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's a
> bit
> > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to the
> > quality...
> > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up and
> > adjust to match the angles.
> >
> > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the long
> > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act as
a
> > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> >
> > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > >
> > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the
yolk.
> > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is
> also
> > > free to adjust as needed.
> > >
> > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get
> out.
> > > Just like the trailer.
> > >
> > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> > files.
> > > For now I only have the parts.
> > >
> > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >> Looks terrific.
> > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > >> configuration
> > >> a custom build?
> > >> Bob G
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into any
> > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > stable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> together?
> > >> > -------------- next part --------------
> > >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> > Name: IMG_20200828_204852_03.jpg
> > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > >> > Size: 113934 bytes
> > >> > Desc: not available
> > >> > URL: <
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210717/4244a4ef/at
tachment.jpg
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > Type: image/jpeg
> > Size: 4883636 bytes
> > Desc: not available
> > URL: <
> >
>
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> > >
> >
>

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 05:18:40 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Its in the Archives circa 2004?. I'll have to search for it on the new
website.

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:15 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.
>
> I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes 22
> > owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I
posted
> > in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
> >
> > It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and dimensions
> > compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.  It's
a
> > bit
> > > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to
> the
> > > quality...
> > > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up
and
> > > adjust to match the angles.
> > >
> > > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the
long
> > > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act
> as a
> > > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> > >
> > > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > > >
> > > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the
> yolk.
> > > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width is
> > also
> > > > free to adjust as needed.
> > > >
> > > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and get
> > out.
> > > > Just like the trailer.
> > > >
> > > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up the
> > > files.
> > > > For now I only have the parts.
> > > >
> > > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Tom,
> > > >> Looks terrific.
> > > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > > >> configuration
> > > >> a custom build?
> > > >> Bob G
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into
> any
> > > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > > stable.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> > together?
> > > >> > -------------- next part --------------
> > > >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > >> > Name: IMG_20200828_204852_03.jpg
> > > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > > >> > Size: 113934 bytes
> > > >> > Desc: not available
> > > >> > URL: <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210717/4244a4ef/at
tachment.jpg
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > Type: image/jpeg
> > > Size: 4883636 bytes
> > > Desc: not available
> > > URL: <
> > >
> >
>
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tachment.jpg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 07:59:31 -0500
From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Feeling for interest in 2021 of a lift
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Todd, as I recall he lived on a canal in Florida and built the lift
symmetrically so that the boat could enter from either end, and presumably
exit going forward either direction  ? so therefore no V shaped centerboard
catcher and just side bunks.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:18 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its in the Archives circa 2004?. I'll have to search for it on the new
> website.
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:15 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Send me what you got Todd and I can compare.
> >
> > I wasn't here back then, but I'm here now!
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 8:19 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > The subject of boat lifts was discussed several years ago. One Rhodes
> 22
> > > owner made a lift cradle/structure based on the trailer sketches I
> posted
> > > in the archives probably 10+ years ago.
> > >
> > > It would certainly be intetesting to see how your set up and
dimensions
> > > compare to those original sketches I made from an old Triad trailer.
> > >
> > > Todd T.
> > >
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:49 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, attached is a pic, mocked up the parts near the trailer.
> It's a
> > > bit
> > > > dirty, but sat outside the last 3 years in northern MN, so speaks to
> > the
> > > > quality...
> > > > You can see it was modeled exactly off the trailer, it does bolt up
> and
> > > > adjust to match the angles.
> > > >
> > > > You'll have to imagine that the hull bunks are bolted up.  And the
> long
> > > > parking bumpers would be upright to guide you in easier, and can act
> > as a
> > > > step if you're trying to climb in without lowering.
> > > >
> > > > Then it's a slew of plates and u bolts onto the lift.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:06 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Standard lift from a 24ft pontoon...
> > > > >
> > > > > Obvs. Mileage may vary, so the critical points are static, eg the
> > yolk.
> > > > > The rest is semi adjustable at the legs for height, and the width
> is
> > > also
> > > > > free to adjust as needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > It catches the boat like a dream, no lines needed. Just park and
> get
> > > out.
> > > > > Just like the trailer.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there was interest in these being built I would take draw up
the
> > > > files.
> > > > > For now I only have the parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > All aluminium frames with marine treated bunks and carpet.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 8:37 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Tom,
> > > > >> Looks terrific.
> > > > >> Did you install the bunks on a standard lift or is the entire
> > > > >> configuration
> > > > >> a custom build?
> > > > >> Bob G
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I have the lift modeled off the trailer.  Smack this stuff into
> > any
> > > > >> > dockloader and you can raise out of the water to keep clean and
> > > > stable.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is there interest from the group in putting a production run
> > > together?
> > > > >> > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > >> > Name: IMG_20200828_204852_03.jpg
> > > > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > > > >> > Size: 113934 bytes
> > > > >> > Desc: not available
> > > > >> > URL: <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210717/4244a4ef/at
tachment.jpg
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 16:12:48 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:12:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFDyMOL=siXKKb7psFCQyW+sgrhoWGKCkR_tdFqdqONhNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFDyMOL=siXKKb7psFCQyW+sgrhoWGKCkR_tdFqdqONhNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F2643F1-51BE-4152-9953-3FFDC612CF08@gmail.com>

Peter does sell small V-cleats that work well with the tiller clutch-I had them on my last boat.  You attach them with screws into the coaming, but be very careful to match the hole size exactly to the screw size to avoid crushing the fiberglass .  There is very little stress on these.  The Tiller Clutch comes with precise instructions for how these cleats should be positioned relative to the tiller clutch position on the tiller for optimum control.  

I currently have my tiller clutch lines attached to the rear pulpit.  It?s not ideal but it works. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Chris. Mine came with 12? but it?s just a length of 3/16? Sta Set so you
> can modify as you wish. It also came with two mounting screws and that?s
> all you need. Pete Crawford is the guy who sells them and he?s very
> responsive to any questions.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:14 AM Christopher Knell <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Steven,
>> 
>> Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
>> or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
>> hardware?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>> 

From rweiss at siu.edu  Thu Jul 22 16:16:55 2021
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:16:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch
In-Reply-To: <0F2643F1-51BE-4152-9953-3FFDC612CF08@gmail.com>
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I just attached my line to the 2 cleats on the back of the boat. I put a bowline in one end so it slips easily over the cleat, run the line through the tiller clutch, and then do a simple figure 8 on the other cleat. Works great.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Clutch

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Peter does sell small V-cleats that work well with the tiller clutch-I had them on my last boat.  You attach them with screws into the coaming, but be very careful to match the hole size exactly to the screw size to avoid crushing the fiberglass .  There is very little stress on these.  The Tiller Clutch comes with precise instructions for how these cleats should be positioned relative to the tiller clutch position on the tiller for optimum control.

I currently have my tiller clutch lines attached to the rear pulpit.  It?s not ideal but it works.

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Chris. Mine came with 12? but it?s just a length of 3/16? Sta Set so you
> can modify as you wish. It also came with two mounting screws and that?s
> all you need. Pete Crawford is the guy who sells them and he?s very
> responsive to any questions.
>
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:14 AM Christopher Knell <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Steven,
>>
>> Which version of the tiller clutch did you purchase, the one with the 12'
>> or 16' control line? Also, did you find that you needed any additional
>> hardware?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 22 17:16:03 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 21:16:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used IMF mainsail wanted
In-Reply-To: <46277467-B314-48CA-9C82-06C25B811A18@gmail.com>
References: <46277467-B314-48CA-9C82-06C25B811A18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR04MB5430BEE3A51B312B4F0FEDB4D9E49@BYAPR04MB5430.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Jose
I don?t have a sail to sell, but wanted to warn you that there are at least 2 different ways the main attaches to the furling tube. Some have a sleeve in the sail for the tube to slide through and some have a rope sewn into the sail to feed through a slot in the furling tube. If the sail you get doesn?t match your furling tube, you will be going to a sail loft to have modifications made to match up. 

Don?t ask me how I know. :-)

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman


> On Jul 21, 2021, at 5:27 AM, Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone in the list have a used mainsail (in reasonable condition) for sale? It?d have to be compatible with GB?s IMF. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jose
> 
> S/V Steady State
> Rose Haven, MD

From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 18:03:21 2021
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:03:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used IMF mainsail wanted
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Thanks, Charles - that?s really helpful. What we?re looking for is the second type ie with a rope sewn into the sail along the luff.

Thanks!

Jose

> On Jul 22, 2021, at 5:16 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jose
> I don?t have a sail to sell, but wanted to warn you that there are at least 2 different ways the main attaches to the furling tube. Some have a sleeve in the sail for the tube to slide through and some have a rope sewn into the sail to feed through a slot in the furling tube. If the sail you get doesn?t match your furling tube, you will be going to a sail loft to have modifications made to match up. 
> 
> Don?t ask me how I know. :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Charles Nieman
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2021, at 5:27 AM, Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone in the list have a used mainsail (in reasonable condition) for sale? It?d have to be compatible with GB?s IMF. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jose
>> 
>> S/V Steady State
>> Rose Haven, MD

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Jul 22 19:06:30 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 19:06:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used IMF mainsail wanted
In-Reply-To: <60491908-7922-465D-872A-077922806129@gmail.com>
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 <60491908-7922-465D-872A-077922806129@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a3c3c01-77a4-aacb-d3f0-e528676256bf@generalboats.com>

There are only three explanations for Charles misinformation on a GB IMF 
furling tube and main sail:

1.??? He may be thinking of the genoa.? Early Rhodes' Genoas had a 
sleeve that went over a plain round tube.
That idea was junked when I was very young, in favor or making our own 
die to extrude a slotted furling tube that requires that the sail must 
wrap in the direction the extruded tube is designed to accommodates.

2.??? He has run across a fake IMF that was never made by GB.? Can you 
visualize what a messed up shape an IMF main would take on if it were 
only made fast on just the top end and bottom end of its furling tube 
and the sail was being used partly reefed.? If you ever run across an 
IMF sail the has a sleeve mounting design instead of a bolt rope, get me 
the name of the sailmaker and I will sue and split the award with you. and
3.??? Rhodies occasionally think I am wrong.? Admittedly I am not always 
right.? But I am never wrong.

Jose, I might be able to give you a used one to get you through what is 
left of your summer.? And of course it has a bolt rope as your boat 
requires.? Just appreciate what you get for nothing is usually worth 
just that, so plan on getting yourself a new one for next year.

stan

On 7/22/21 6:03 PM, Jose Faraldo-Gomez wrote:
> Thanks, Charles - that?s really helpful. What we?re looking for is the second type ie with a rope sewn into the sail along the luff.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021, at 5:16 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Jose
>> I don?t have a sail to sell, but wanted to warn you that there are at least 2 different ways the main attaches to the furling tube. Some have a sleeve in the sail for the tube to slide through and some have a rope sewn into the sail to feed through a slot in the furling tube. If the sail you get doesn?t match your furling tube, you will be going to a sail loft to have modifications made to match up.
>>
>> Don?t ask me how I know. :-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Charles Nieman
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2021, at 5:27 AM, Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi all,
>>>
>>> Does anyone in the list have a used mainsail (in reasonable condition) for sale? It?d have to be compatible with GB?s IMF.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jose
>>>
>>> S/V Steady State
>>> Rose Haven, MD
> .


From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 19:37:01 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
Message-ID: <90C4CC97-4B36-472C-986A-12B8BC2DAC43@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in the cabin. Are these batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has been off, yet my motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been running it off the cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running lights are dim. 
I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does that work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally recharge both batteries?

Thanks so much for your help,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II 
White Bear Lake, MN



Sent from my iPhone

From killarneylake at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 08:37:17 2021
From: killarneylake at gmail.com (Michael Dale)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:37:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Boltrope / Slot Dimension
Message-ID: <7E248C9A-378C-4FA0-B170-84BB60672738@hxcore.ol>


From mark at whipplefamily.com  Fri Jul 23 09:17:05 2021
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:17:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <90C4CC97-4B36-472C-986A-12B8BC2DAC43@gmail.com>
References: <90C4CC97-4B36-472C-986A-12B8BC2DAC43@gmail.com>
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Hi Matt,

I'd suggest that a few minutes with a hand-held voltage meter could answer
many of your questions. You could also experiment by removing one of the
cables from each battery in turn and seeing what happens. Tracing down the
wires that lead to the Blue Seas switch will help you conclusively
determine how the batteries are connected. Along the same lines, see if you
can identify the wires that lead from the solar panels. They would need to
be connected to the battery/batteries to provide a charge.

While we all have the same model of boat, there have been many changes over
the years to the boats leaving the factory. If you also consider changes
made by individual owners you can probably see that it's impossible to say
exactly how your particular boat is wired. A bit of troubleshooting will go
a long way towards a better understanding of your boat.

FYI, I plan to install a dual voltage meter to keep track of the charge
level of both of my batteries. In the meantime I make use of my volt meter
on a regular basis.

Good luck,

Mark Whipple

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:37 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is
> connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in
> the cabin. Are these batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has
> been off, yet my motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been
> running it off the cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running
> lights are dim.
> I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does
> that work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally
> recharge both batteries?
>
> Thanks so much for your help,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake, MN
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:55:23 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ASny6258U0M6x_wA2+rVPeg8i-h__5kbdZUCqZsJRhr+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5ASny6258U0M6x_wA2+rVPeg8i-h__5kbdZUCqZsJRhr+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E1F6AC7-66FD-44B4-964E-0D1C7472C378@gmail.com>

Here?s a cheap tip that works well for me on my Rhodes:  I have a 12v USB charger that also displays the voltage at the outlet (Amazon Jebsens 4.8A 24W Dual USB Car... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N00I4TM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share)

I can use the battery selector switch to see the voltage in either battery.  I?m mainly monitoring the house battery since the starter battery isn?t used much and is kept topped up by the solar panel. 

Michael McKay
s/v Liber
R22 2006/2018

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Matt,
> 
> I'd suggest that a few minutes with a hand-held voltage meter could answer
> many of your questions. You could also experiment by removing one of the
> cables from each battery in turn and seeing what happens. Tracing down the
> wires that lead to the Blue Seas switch will help you conclusively
> determine how the batteries are connected. Along the same lines, see if you
> can identify the wires that lead from the solar panels. They would need to
> be connected to the battery/batteries to provide a charge.
> 
> While we all have the same model of boat, there have been many changes over
> the years to the boats leaving the factory. If you also consider changes
> made by individual owners you can probably see that it's impossible to say
> exactly how your particular boat is wired. A bit of troubleshooting will go
> a long way towards a better understanding of your boat.
> 
> FYI, I plan to install a dual voltage meter to keep track of the charge
> level of both of my batteries. In the meantime I make use of my volt meter
> on a regular basis.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Mark Whipple
> 
> Boston, MA
> 
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:37 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is
>> connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in
>> the cabin. Are these batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has
>> been off, yet my motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been
>> running it off the cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running
>> lights are dim.
>> I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does
>> that work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally
>> recharge both batteries?
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your help,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake, MN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jul 23 10:46:19 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:46:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <90C4CC97-4B36-472C-986A-12B8BC2DAC43@gmail.com>
References: <90C4CC97-4B36-472C-986A-12B8BC2DAC43@gmail.com>
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Matt,
Is your motor electric start?  If so, it likely will have an alternator that will charge up the battery.  Do you have a battery selector switch?  With two batteries you should have a switch that says A/B/Both/Off on it, which allows you to switch what batteries are connected to the charging circuit.  Battery circuits on our boats are almost never the same as owners will change things around to suit their needs.  Very few of us have batteries in the laz as that adds to much weight in the stern.  My starting batteriy is under the port settee, although I'm planning on moving it to the starboard side to improve the weight distribution.  A quick examination of your electrical system by someone who understands the basics might be helpful, have a sailing buddy who might take a look?  There is a wiring diagram that Chris Cowie created for his boat which is pretty standard for a two-battery layout.  A search of the of archives might find it, or perhaps someone can repost it.  - Rob


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question

Hey everyone,

I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in the cabin. Are these batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has been off, yet my motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been running it off the cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running lights are dim.
I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does that work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally recharge both batteries?

Thanks so much for your help,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN



Sent from my iPhone

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jul 23 10:52:17 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 10:52:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985530818541D0F90EFD586C1E59@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1499.1627051950.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

The wiring diagrams were referenced in the archives at:http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.htmlMike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
-------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> Date: 7/23/21  10:46 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question Matt,Is your motor electric start?? If so, it likely will have an alternator that will charge up the battery.? Do you have a battery selector switch?? With two batteries you should have a switch that says A/B/Both/Off on it, which allows you to switch what batteries are connected to the charging circuit.? Battery circuits on our boats are almost never the same as owners will change things around to suit their needs.? Very few of us have batteries in the laz as that adds to much weight in the stern.? My starting batteriy is under the port settee, although I'm planning on moving it to the starboard side to improve the weight distribution.? A quick examination of your electrical system by someone who understands the basics might be helpful, have a sailing buddy who might take a look?? There is a wiring diagram that Chris Cowie created for his boat which is pretty standard for a two-battery layout.? A search of the of archives might find it, or perhaps someone can repost it.? - Rob________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:37 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery QuestionHey everyone,I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in the cabin. Are these batteries connected?? The lazarette battery switch has been off, yet my motor has started just fine.? Does that mean I have been running it off the cabin battery?? If so perhaps that?s why my running lights are dim.I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.? Does that work to keep the system topped off?? Do I still need to occasionally recharge both batteries?Thanks so much for your help,Matt WilsonHornblower IIWhite Bear Lake, MNSent from my iPhone

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jul 23 10:57:23 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1499.1627051950.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <DM6PR05MB6985530818541D0F90EFD586C1E59@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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Thanks Mike, I knew they were there someone.  The overall layout is best shown in this diagram.

http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20191029/0b16627c/attachment-0004.jpg



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 10:52 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question

The wiring diagrams were referenced in the archives at:http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.htmlMike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
-------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> Date: 7/23/21  10:46 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question Matt,Is your motor electric start?  If so, it likely will have an alternator that will charge up the battery.  Do you have a battery selector switch?  With two batteries you should have a switch that says A/B/Both/Off on it, which allows you to switch what batteries are connected to the charging circuit.  Battery circuits on our boats are almost never the same as owners will change things around to suit their needs.  Very few of us have batteries in the laz as that adds to much weight in the stern.  My starting batteriy is under the port settee, although I'm planning on moving it to the starboard side to improve the weight distribution.  A quick examination of your electrical system by someone who understands the basics might be helpful, have a sailing buddy who might take a look?  There is a wiring diagram that Chris Cowie created for his boat which is pretty standard for a two-battery layout.  A search of the of archives might find it, or perhaps someone can repost it.  - Rob________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:37 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery QuestionHey everyone,I have a 1990 Rhodes with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is connected to a blue sea systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in the cabin. Are these batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has been off, yet my motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been running it off the cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running lights are dim.I also have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does that work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally recharge both batteries?Thanks so much for your help,Matt WilsonHornblower IIWhite Bear Lake, MNSent from my iPhone

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 18:57:11 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 17:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
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Thanks so much.  That diagram is very helpful!

Matt

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:57 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Thanks Mike, I knew they were there someone.  The overall layout is best
> shown in this diagram.
>
>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20191029/0b16627c/attachment-0004.jpg
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 10:52 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question
>
> The wiring diagrams were referenced in the archives at:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.htmlMike
> s/v
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.htmlMikes/v>
> Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> -------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> Date:
> 7/23/21  10:46 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject:
> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery Question Matt,Is your motor electric
> start?  If so, it likely will have an alternator that will charge up the
> battery.  Do you have a battery selector switch?  With two batteries you
> should have a switch that says A/B/Both/Off on it, which allows you to
> switch what batteries are connected to the charging circuit.  Battery
> circuits on our boats are almost never the same as owners will change
> things around to suit their needs.  Very few of us have batteries in the
> laz as that adds to much weight in the stern.  My starting batteriy is
> under the port settee, although I'm planning on moving it to the starboard
> side to improve the weight distribution.  A quick examination of your
> electrical system by someone who understands the basics might be helpful,
> have a sailing buddy who might take a look?  There is a wiring diagram that
> Chris Cowie created for his boat which is pretty standard for a two-battery
> layout.  A search of the of archives might find it, or perhaps someone can
> repost it.  - Rob________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <
> mwhornblower at gmail.com>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:37 PMTo:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject:
> [Rhodes22-list] Quick Battery QuestionHey everyone,I have a 1990 Rhodes
> with deep cycle battery in the lazarette that is connected to a blue sea
> systems switch. I also have a deep cycle battery in the cabin. Are these
> batteries connected?  The lazarette battery switch has been off, yet my
> motor has started just fine.  Does that mean I have been running it off the
> cabin battery?  If so perhaps that?s why my running lights are dim.I also
> have a small solar panel that can be set on top of the cabin.  Does that
> work to keep the system topped off?  Do I still need to occasionally
> recharge both batteries?Thanks so much for your help,Matt WilsonHornblower
> IIWhite Bear Lake, MNSent from my iPhone
>

From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Fri Jul 23 23:15:59 2021
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
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Hi Jesse - This is both informative and thought provoking.
VERY helpful, thank you,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 1:03 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH

Hi Bob, sorry to hear about the incident.  I think Mike's notes are right on point.

Regarding your questions about rigging for IMF, I copied Peter's rigging changes to run the rigging and outhaul lines to the cabin top which I find easier than the under-boom setup.  Here's a writeup on that:
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20210519%2F2bf83996%2Fattachment.pdf&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C81d4723cb92a4a4d7deb08d94d32901e%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C637625701827633973%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=D%2BBVt5FEx4zZShwFmUTrYd2JUYwjWvQL2Aq%2F%2FDqsDWo%3D&amp;reserved=0


I used to race the Rhodes 22 a bit, but there is a performance hit for the IMF so I decided to focus on other boats for racing and enjoy the R22 for cruising.  I love the convenience of the IMF.  I know others on the list, such as Roger, have had good racing success on a Rhodes with a traditional mainsail.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:32 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> 10-12 is very norminal conditions, I think what happened, you founds 
> out any any sail boat has no streeting control with out water passing 
> over the rudder, i.e you lost all your speed and went broad side to 
> the wind while trying to get your sails down. That might have not been 
> the best move. Btw you still need to go into the wind with IMF to get 
> the pressure off and line up the slot. You should have been at hull 
> speed when this started so tack/jive early er(leave room for non 
> perfection, something breaks), we all blown it from time to time, drop 
> the motor quick if you do not have the room, try anchor but hard to do that with out practice.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < 
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > I see others on this list are racing their R22.
> >
> > We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake 
> > Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
> >
> > Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that 
> > makes me ask some questions.
> >
> > Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
> > If so, I would love to talk more.
> >
> > Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on 
> > bow, pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor 
> > away from
> land
> > in time.
> > Furled the Genoa before collision.
> > Unable to furl the IMF main.
> > 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT 
> > un cleat and furl the IMF main.
> > My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only 
> > option.
> > (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
> >
> > Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
> >
> > Damaged:
> > Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
> > Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
> > Skippers (pride).
> >
> > Question:
> > Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily 
> > operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the 
> > headsail?
> >
> > Happy Sailing everyone!
> > Be safe,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
>

From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Fri Jul 23 23:23:28 2021
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:23:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB615600AA55A8B584A9BEB92CAEE49@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH-6moQCL=2Bd0ypNuMWXMMBVrMNGbLDTjVjxsLK3tZvPK2hKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Good point on the anchor!
I will add that to my Oh-Crap plan next time.
Yes the tack that didn't happen all the way through took us into a dark place.
By the way, the 7-10 mph winds were recorded at 15-20 Gusts.
Most Div1 sailors on their Sonar 23's said, "not worth it".
We learn more every time we sail, don't we?
Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of michael meltzer
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 12:32 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Fleet | Sunapee NH

10-12 is very norminal conditions, I think what happened, you founds out any any sail boat has no streeting control with out water passing over the rudder, i.e you lost all your speed and went broad side to the wind while trying to get your sails down. That might have not been the best move. Btw you still need to go into the wind with IMF to get the pressure off and line up the slot. You should have been at hull speed when this started so tack/jive early er(leave room for non perfection, something breaks), we all blown it from time to time, drop the motor quick if you do not have the room, try anchor but hard to do that with out practice.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> I see others on this list are racing their R22.
>
> We're currently racing our '84 R22 (Orion) in DIV II with LSCF (Lake 
> Sunapee Cruising Fleet).
>
> Last nights race proved to be an important learning experience that 
> makes me ask some questions.
>
> Has anyone sailed in 12-15 MPH winds on a gusty, fresh water lake?
> If so, I would love to talk more.
>
> Last night we found ourselves on a port tack, colliding with land on 
> bow, pier on stbd, as we were unable to jive, tack or even motor away 
> from land in time.
> Furled the Genoa before collision.
> Unable to furl the IMF main.
> 12-15 MPH wind put the boom at a broad reach, to where we COULD NOT un 
> cleat and furl the IMF main.
> My 1st mate jumped onto the pier to reach the boom cleat as the only 
> option.
> (NOTE: the pier was under construction and there was NO DECKING).
>
> Raised centerboard and motored out of the situation and back to the slip.
>
> Damaged:
> Fiberglass, where bow collided with rocks.
> Stbd Side, scuffs from dock collision.
> Skippers (pride).
>
> Question:
> Has anyone rigged their main halyard as such that it can be easily 
> operated from the center of the boat, as in the furling line for the 
> headsail?
>
> Happy Sailing everyone!
> Be safe,
>
> Bob
>
>
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 11:02:18 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
References: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>

Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.  

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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 11:09:30 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:09:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>
References: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26.ref@aol.com>
 <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas,

Would you prefer gelcoat damage?

Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 11:16:51 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:16:51 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any sailing,
sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in exotic
locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I

From prunicki at icloud.com  Sun Jul 25 11:17:15 2021
From: prunicki at icloud.com (Michael Pruchnicki)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 10:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
Message-ID: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>

Hello

    I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of sailboats but am now interested in the R22.

   I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.  I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.

   The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now, even to see.

    Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.

    Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.  

Thanks

Mike

515-229-5242

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 11:46:52 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26.ref@aol.com>
 <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>
 <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>

Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.

But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.

Todd T.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>
> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
> > added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
> >
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> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 11:57:18 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:57:18 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
References: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mike there are a couple of Rhodes owners in IA. My son and have one on
Milford lake near Manhatten KS.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hello
>
>     I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
> sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
>
>    I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.
> I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
>
>    The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
> even to see.
>
>     Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would
> be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
>
>     Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 515-229-5242

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 12:00:51 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:00:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86B8B492-7B00-4442-8C7D-BA9212EE1BFD@aol.com>

I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> 
> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>> 
>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Rick Lange
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>> 
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>> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 12:01:58 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38700705-CBAF-4B5F-96BD-2E673EDA73D8@aol.com>

I guess I assumed incorrectly that there would be a backing plate under the track. 

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> 
> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.  
>> 
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 12:15:45 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
 <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpo6ZiTosDCjyC+fHp_YGztRbwn_u4-0+kLseOT0UVUDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

I live in Omaha and sail at Lake Manawa in Council Bluffs.  I would be
happy to take you out for a sail if you are up for the drive.

Last summer I took my R22 to Rathbun Lake southeast of Des Moines and I saw
two R22's there: one from early 2000s and another one that older.  The
owners were not around so I didn't get to meet them.  When I was
contemplating buying a R22 I stopped by Saylorville Lake and saw that there
was an R22 there.  It was the offseason so it was up on stands at the time.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:57 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Mike there are a couple of Rhodes owners in IA. My son and have one on
> Milford lake near Manhatten KS.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> >     I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
> > sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
> >
> >    I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.
> > I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
> >
> >    The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
> > even to see.
> >
> >     Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would
> > be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
> >
> >     Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 515-229-5242
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 25 12:17:07 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459621C8-524A-493C-AF52-90D9A38C83B5@verizon.net>

There are two at North East Maryland 
Scott 86? Rhodes 22

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Mike there are a couple of Rhodes owners in IA. My son and have one on
> Milford lake near Manhatten KS.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>>    I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
>> sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
>> 
>>   I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.
>> I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
>> 
>>   The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
>> even to see.
>> 
>>    Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would
>> be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
>> 
>>    Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 515-229-5242


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 12:18:15 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
 <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foErzmOv5gMiG9dh1kqk0x2gEgsvtusyvCJpQM26OkbDg@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, I just spoke with your son Nick about meeting up in Milford over
labor day weekend and I'm looking forward to a mini Rhodes meetup in the
midwest!

Jesse

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:57 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Mike there are a couple of Rhodes owners in IA. My son and have one on
> Milford lake near Manhatten KS.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> >     I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
> > sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
> >
> >    I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.
> > I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
> >
> >    The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
> > even to see.
> >
> >     Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would
> > be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
> >
> >     Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 515-229-5242
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 12:20:54 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frGGhYmkW-JDdNuoVpbn-80yoDgyh5KhojKfg-6_7G2hw@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, good to hear prep work is moving along.  We're looking forward to
hearing more about the upcoming adventures!

Jesse

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:17 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any sailing,
> sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in exotic
> locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis I
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 25 12:45:18 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY628tO==nW=AUm8==iNwPGz3D5n2c3h5nwLHQA+TiW4rA@mail.gmail.com>

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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 12:56:24 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:56:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY628tO==nW=AUm8==iNwPGz3D5n2c3h5nwLHQA+TiW4rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY628tO==nW=AUm8==iNwPGz3D5n2c3h5nwLHQA+TiW4rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDLAfZ0fLwdACS2_eSMpvheKaF0SVc31dR7ui0oAHbxmw@mail.gmail.com>

Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks for
sharing

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 13:00:31 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:00:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
References: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAXzYtqHNCK5nRdqP-n4RPkY=9q9UmNpQLM2g64EYAtpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
I would be happy to show you my Rhodes and I invite you to go sailing as
well, should the wind gods smile upon us.
I live on Kent Island, directly across the Chesapeake Bay from Annapolis.
It?s about 45 miles or about a 1-hour drive from downtown DC.
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000/2017
Kent Island, MD

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:17 AM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hello
>
>     I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
> sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
>
>    I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a R22.
> I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
>
>    The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
> even to see.
>
>     Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I would
> be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
>
>     Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 515-229-5242

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 14:20:30 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:20:30 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3frGGhYmkW-JDdNuoVpbn-80yoDgyh5KhojKfg-6_7G2hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiUYKzOpAKJT5au1jSK_xNkDqiKvtUbv7BLe5hc__Lk-Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, me too. I?ll spend the night anchored off the yard and leave for Paxo
at daybreak. About 40 no to the NW. wind springs up around 1 or 2 from NW.
so want as much birthing as I can get.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:21 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, good to hear prep work is moving along.  We're looking forward to
> hearing more about the upcoming adventures!
>
> Jesse
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:17 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any sailing,
> > sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in
> exotic
> > locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> > below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis I
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 14:21:34 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:21:34 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDLAfZ0fLwdACS2_eSMpvheKaF0SVc31dR7ui0oAHbxmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY628tO==nW=AUm8==iNwPGz3D5n2c3h5nwLHQA+TiW4rA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiV8VksZzBdScADz7P-_TND5giQwpSJ0xnrShyPw1-9mkQ@mail.gmail.com>

That is great.
Chris G.
Enosis

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks for
> sharing
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Nice 10-15 from the northwest.
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 14:25:00 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:25:00 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] DC visit week of Aug 1-6 Would like to see a R22
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3foErzmOv5gMiG9dh1kqk0x2gEgsvtusyvCJpQM26OkbDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E80EE72E-D828-4FFE-90CA-677741535781@icloud.com>
 <CADNTwiXC7yjF45coT6YQoQgfM9=cZiNAGr3pVj=RH9NRRTKd=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc-3foErzmOv5gMiG9dh1kqk0x2gEgsvtusyvCJpQM26OkbDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX5U5=N0nAmQnHc0y-wzbZct_3JBNPSdd+pTLxF4mTS4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, that is great. Just watch out for all the crazies on the lake then.
Never figured out which was crazier, Memorial Day or Labor. Still always
better than the office.
Chris G

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:18 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, I just spoke with your son Nick about meeting up in Milford over
> labor day weekend and I'm looking forward to a mini Rhodes meetup in the
> midwest!
>
> Jesse
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:57 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Mike there are a couple of Rhodes owners in IA. My son and have one
> on
> > Milford lake near Manhatten KS.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > ENOSIS
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > >     I just subscribed to the Rhodes 22 list.  I have owned a number of
> > > sailboats but am now interested in the R22.
> > >
> > >    I will be in the DC area Aug 1-6 and would love to actually see a
> R22.
> > > I would be OK traveling anywhere within 4 hrs or so.
> > >
> > >    The General Boats factory doesn?t have anything available right now,
> > > even to see.
> > >
> > >     Anyway, if anyone would like to share their love of the R22, I
> would
> > > be happy to purchase them several cold beverages as compensation.
> > >
> > >     Also, I live in Des Moines, IA?in case anyone near here has a R22.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > 515-229-5242
> >
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 25 15:23:54 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiV8VksZzBdScADz7P-_TND5giQwpSJ0xnrShyPw1-9mkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY628tO==nW=AUm8==iNwPGz3D5n2c3h5nwLHQA+TiW4rA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wait, this one is better.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That is great.
> Chris G.
> Enosis
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks for
> > sharing
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nice 10-15 from the northwest.
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From eandsmoore at hughes.net  Sun Jul 25 17:17:25 2021
From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:17:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <38700705-CBAF-4B5F-96BD-2E673EDA73D8@aol.com>
References: <CABkv36aZkD=dOZOYAWgwF_2DDAAJmbdme_ptSmg2sjwPuG21LQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9A4F8828-E8EF-4BFE-9966-09250577789A@hughes.net>

The track was intended to be loaded at nearly 90 degrees. They work fine that way. That added cleat, especially at the end of
track, yanked those screws right out.

Sam Moore ?77 Rhodes Continental 
 
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:01 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I guess I assumed incorrectly that there would be a backing plate under the track. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>> 
>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Rick Lange
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.  
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 25 17:42:26 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 16:42:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUYKzOpAKJT5au1jSK_xNkDqiKvtUbv7BLe5hc__Lk-Fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6GjxeAkFvhw0gOC1HwagqdDeH6AaSQRTMr6efCNi5d7A@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, thank you for making these journals. I really enjoy them.

Boats looking good! Enjoy the labor and your upcoming passage.

Just goes to show how much relationship building matters....  I remember
having to buy a dinner for a customs agent whose oldest just graduated
college, first in the family.  It was corruption at its finest definition,
but the $175 meal got $200k of network gear into manilla. (It was all legit
gear, fwiw)

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yep, me too. I?ll spend the night anchored off the yard and leave for Paxo
> at daybreak. About 40 no to the NW. wind springs up around 1 or 2 from NW.
> so want as much birthing as I can get.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:21 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris, good to hear prep work is moving along.  We're looking forward to
> > hearing more about the upcoming adventures!
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:17 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any
> sailing,
> > > sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in
> > exotic
> > > locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> > > below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis I
> > >
> >
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jul 25 18:10:29 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:10:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031e89d1-cdb3-41f7-faa1-bf4c78fd760e@atlanticbb.net>

Chris,
As always, your descriptions of your time in Greece are magical. Thanks 
for taking us all along.

Mary Loy

On 7/25/2021 11:16 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any sailing,
> sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in exotic
> locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis I


-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 18:17:37 2021
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E653C53B-FCDD-451E-B331-83FD7AED7BE4@gmail.com>

One good wing on wing deserves another.  From Portage Lake, Michigan. 
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> On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Wait, this one is better.
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is great.
>> Chris G.
>> Enosis
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks for
>>> sharing
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Jul 25 18:47:31 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <86B8B492-7B00-4442-8C7D-BA9212EE1BFD@aol.com>
References: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6e6a6b3e-2320-f62c-7d4b-2c614fd8f408@generalboats.com>

My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes 
engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.

In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track 
pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of 
the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of 
machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the _shear_ loading placed 
on them.? Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the 
gel coat.? But I think his comment that /"I've found more than a few 
questionable//things which needed to be properly "re"engineered."/ is 
gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind 
would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if 
those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through 
the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, 
those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa 
tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust.

If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go.

stan



On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation.
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>
>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>
>> Todd T.
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>
>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Lange
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 19:33:22 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <6e6a6b3e-2320-f62c-7d4b-2c614fd8f408@generalboats.com>
References: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>
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That?s a beautiful picture of a Rhodes 22 suspended in mid-air!

Frank

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> 
> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the _shear_ loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that /"I've found more than a few questionable//things which needed to be properly "re"engineered."/ is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust.
> 
> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation.
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>> 
>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>> 
>>> Todd T.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>> 
>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>> 
>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rick Lange
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>> 
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 25 19:55:04 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 18:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <71A3CCA6-4620-4872-AEA8-A716B31946D4@gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMOGPgQrzK=DD07135u8re6GSt-azkdpQ96Ex+a8nH9=dg@mail.gmail.com>
 <86B8B492-7B00-4442-8C7D-BA9212EE1BFD@aol.com>
 <6e6a6b3e-2320-f62c-7d4b-2c614fd8f408@generalboats.com>
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Is that a diamond board, vs. what we saw from Chris earlier today?

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 6:33 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That?s a beautiful picture of a Rhodes 22 suspended in mid-air!
>
> Frank
>
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes
> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> >
> > In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track
> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the
> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine
> screws; more than sufficient to carry the _shear_ loading placed on them.
> Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But
> I think his comment that /"I've found more than a few questionable//things
> which needed to be properly "re"engineered."/ is gratuitously disingenuous.
> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount
> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough
> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had
> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or
> even impossible to adjust.
> >
> > If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You
> want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a
> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no
> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold
> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not
> invited to go.
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone
> else had a similar situation.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut
> plates
> >>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> >>>
> >>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded
> into
> >>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few
> questionable
> >>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
> >>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> >>>
> >>> Todd T.
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> >>>>
> >>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.
> I
> >>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
> >>>>>
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 20:02:27 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:02:27 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <E653C53B-FCDD-451E-B331-83FD7AED7BE4@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Rob:
That?s a  long furling line.
Cheers,
Shawn
s/ v Sweet Baboo

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 3:18 PM Robert Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:

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> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Wait, this one is better.
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> That is great.
> >> Chris G.
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks
> for
> >>> sharing
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>>
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jul 25 20:35:39 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:35:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNzeDynfVWeEvj-z6wNPJ3V6B=iuc9we0BXDvgAuOwXPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Eh? Please elaborate? It's our 2nd year with the r22.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 7:02 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rob:
> That?s a  long furling line.
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 3:18 PM Robert Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One good wing on wing deserves another.  From Portage Lake, Michigan.
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> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Wait, this one is better.
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That is great.
> > >> Chris G.
> > >> Enosis
> > >>
> > >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks
> > for
> > >>> sharing
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Nice 10-15 from the northwest.
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> > >>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 21:10:34 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:10:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fold Up Support for Bed Cushions
In-Reply-To: <E1m3zXi-00HDka-Mp@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1m3zXi-00HDka-Mp@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fq3Akn52PWJ+N-pppOLdPtzrUh-+Rk-r76U9m5DxJ7hQw@mail.gmail.com>

George, nice work on that.  It seems like a good solution to stow that when
not in use since that would open things up quite a bit.  Thanks for sharing.

My solution to keep that piece up when I want to was to add an eye on the
bottom of the wood, and another to the trim behind the seat cushions and
then I attach a bungee to connect them.  The bungee hangs down between the
two forward cushions when not in use.  The wood was starting to delaminate
so I added some reinforcement underneath.   I attached a photo.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 6:29 AM George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I posted  on July 1 using Nabble and I don?t think it made it to this
> forum. I?m reposting below from with photos.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> I?ve always thought the fold up support for the bed cushions was just in
> the way for as seldom as I use it to sleep on the boat.
>
> I?ve taken it off and created a new removable piece which I only pull out
> from its storage place under the galley when I might want to make a bed.
>
> I did have to add two extra little supports for the ledger board which is
> screwed to the main board.
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 21:27:02 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:27:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <6e6a6b3e-2320-f62c-7d4b-2c614fd8f408@generalboats.com>
References: <6e6a6b3e-2320-f62c-7d4b-2c614fd8f408@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <0A695418-04F2-4684-AAC7-3B5CDF81D1E9@aol.com>

I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
> 
> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>> 
>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>> .
> 
> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 21:30:11 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:30:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <E653C53B-FCDD-451E-B331-83FD7AED7BE4@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E653C53B-FCDD-451E-B331-83FD7AED7BE4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqmj+vAC9DTeGMWrvUjUG=T72i6GSymjufQTNGFTgKJyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Great photos Tom and Bob!

Jesse

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 5:18 PM Robert Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:

> One good wing on wing deserves another.  From Portage Lake, Michigan.
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>
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Wait, this one is better.
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> That is great.
> >> Chris G.
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails. Thanks
> for
> >>> sharing
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nice 10-15 from the northwest.
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 22:40:41 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:40:41 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wing on wing today
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7CwjSStgzGoRbdcRiubM7JTfMgXiLvuRD5oDTH8h8Acw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7QspZNTNEYRttYN=zdDvxfuEw-g68maEnfW=Zj3dGTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E653C53B-FCDD-451E-B331-83FD7AED7BE4@gmail.com>
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Hi Rob:

On my R22, (1986/2010) unfurling the main increases the length of the
furling line at the aft end of the boom not the boom end .  When fully
deployed, the excess aft line is wrapped around the boom cleats. The line
in the boom slot is  usually just long enough to pull  when furling. (after
you have released the cam cleat. ?????.)  Thus, I assumed you have a lot
of line.

Everybody- Is that what is going on?

Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:35 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Eh? Please elaborate? It's our 2nd year with the r22.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 7:02 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob:
> > That?s a  long furling line.
> > Cheers,
> > Shawn
> > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 3:18 PM Robert Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > One good wing on wing deserves another.  From Portage Lake, Michigan.
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> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 25, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Wait, this one is better.
> > > >
> > > >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> That is great.
> > > >> Chris G.
> > > >> Enosis
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:56 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Great shot. You can hear the wind from the shape of the sails.
> Thanks
> > > for
> > > >>> sharing
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:45 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Nice 10-15 from the northwest.
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> > > >>
> > >
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 03:31:10 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:31:10 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6GjxeAkFvhw0gOC1HwagqdDeH6AaSQRTMr6efCNi5d7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc-3frGGhYmkW-JDdNuoVpbn-80yoDgyh5KhojKfg-6_7G2hw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiVFhO_EjT5aRK8r3TK4h5=KjtDyPa_JBQgapEDFmAoptQ@mail.gmail.com>

Love to hear others tribulations. Nice to know I?m not alone.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 12:42 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Chris, thank you for making these journals. I really enjoy them.
>
> Boats looking good! Enjoy the labor and your upcoming passage.
>
> Just goes to show how much relationship building matters....  I remember
> having to buy a dinner for a customs agent whose oldest just graduated
> college, first in the family.  It was corruption at its finest definition,
> but the $175 meal got $200k of network gear into manilla. (It was all legit
> gear, fwiw)
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yep, me too. I?ll spend the night anchored off the yard and leave for
> Paxo
> > at daybreak. About 40 no to the NW. wind springs up around 1 or 2 from
> NW.
> > so want as much birthing as I can get.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:21 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chris, good to hear prep work is moving along.  We're looking forward
> to
> > > hearing more about the upcoming adventures!
> > >
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:17 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any
> > sailing,
> > > > sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in
> > > exotic
> > > > locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> > > > below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or
> two.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > Enosis I
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 03:33:30 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:33:30 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Pre.
In-Reply-To: <031e89d1-cdb3-41f7-faa1-bf4c78fd760e@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CADNTwiX6VqduBnL6=++FoynfOEr-2jdQ27ySv=a7MB=iDmER3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiWL78EAOc7O0P12tYd1DMTmyUo7X0TW2XWWJRWzrwQkHw@mail.gmail.com>

Well I am aware that the boat is full of good friends in spirit. So you see
I must share. It feels good knowing it makes a bit of a difference in a
positive way.
Chris G
Enosis

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:10 AM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Chris,
> As always, your descriptions of your time in Greece are magical. Thanks
> for taking us all along.
>
> Mary Loy
>
> On 7/25/2021 11:16 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> > Well tomorrow we go in the water.  Though there is yet to be any sailing,
> > sometimes some insight on what it is like to do boat maintenance in
> exotic
> > locations is fun.  For a short description, you can click on the link
> > below.  Enjoy! I hope to give you some sailing stuff in a week or two.
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11YYDkBTMQo7LZLk4P4eXPRbd8Lc6pZNY/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis I
>
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

From lewin at mail.com  Mon Jul 26 09:50:17 2021
From: lewin at mail.com (Lewin)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <0A695418-04F2-4684-AAC7-3B5CDF81D1E9@aol.com>
References: <0A695418-04F2-4684-AAC7-3B5CDF81D1E9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>

If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines would it be less likely to fail?

------------------
Bernard


On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
> 
> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>> 
>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>> 
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>> .
> 
> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 10:27:47 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>
References: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>
Message-ID: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>

It was being used as a spring line when it broke track 

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines would it be less likely to fail?
> 
> ------------------
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
>> 
>> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
>> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
>>>>>> Desc: not available
>>>>>> URL: <
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c07b3fde/attachment.jpg
>>> .
>> 
>> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> 


From lewin at mail.com  Mon Jul 26 10:32:16 2021
From: lewin at mail.com (Lewin)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:32:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
References: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7CDA09E3-A2BC-4E0A-88A1-4FB460A42240@mail.com>

So I take it that mounting regular deck cleats mid boat and through bolted with a backing plate will be a better choice if I want cleats there. 

------------------
Bernard 


On Jul 26, 2021, at 10:27 AM, THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:

?It was being used as a spring line when it broke track 

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines would it be less likely to fail?
> 
> ------------------
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
>> 
>> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
>> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut plates
>>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded into
>>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few questionable
>>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I
>>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg
>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
>>>>>> Desc: not available
>>>>>> URL: <
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c07b3fde/attachment.jpg
>>> .
>> 
>> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> 



From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 10:32:53 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
References: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>
 <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Y6JUDLr-1hyK==hTEqyuj-MEit0z4jZUuaC6T2+6gyKA@mail.gmail.com>

Use your winch for the spring line.  It is strong and the line goes on and
off easily.


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 10:28 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track
>
> > On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines
> would it be less likely to fail?
> >
> > ------------------
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats
> on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything
> about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and
> wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying
> everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will
> continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat.
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes
> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> >>
> >> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track
> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the
> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine
> screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of
> course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I
> think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things
> which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.
> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount
> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough
> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had
> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or
> even impossible to adjust.
> >> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper.
> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a
> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no
> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold
> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not
> invited to go.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone
> else had a similar situation.
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut
> plates
> >>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded
> into
> >>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few
> questionable
> >>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
> >>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Todd T.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without
> bolts.  I
> >>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
> >>>>>> Desc: not available
> >>>>>> URL: <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c07b3fde/attachment.jpg
> >>> .
> >>
> >> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jul 26 10:48:26 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
References: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>
 <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <017901d7822d$4bf55ef0$e3e01cd0$@ebsmed.com>

I agree with Stan.

The track was designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces experienced in such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track is secured properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or docking, exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the track is not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to the track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant force is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a design flaw.

By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my mast crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces using a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force that is applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection process. This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck mounted docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral (horizontal) forces when docked or moored.

Please do not assume that any fixture will withstand forces outside of its design parameters and remember to account for changes due to age of the device and boat.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM
To: Lewin <lewin at mail.com>
Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

It was being used as a spring line when it broke track 

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines would it be less likely to fail?
> 
> ------------------
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
>> 
>> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
>> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut 
>>>>> plates embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just 
>>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more 
>>>>> than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list 
>>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without 
>>>>>> bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> scrubbed...
>>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg
>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
>>>>>> Desc: not available
>>>>>> URL: <
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c
>>>>> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg
>>> .
>> 
>> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jul 26 11:01:25 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 11:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <7CDA09E3-A2BC-4E0A-88A1-4FB460A42240@mail.com>
References: <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
 <7CDA09E3-A2BC-4E0A-88A1-4FB460A42240@mail.com>
Message-ID: <017c01d7822f$1be427d0$53ac7770$@ebsmed.com>

Care should taken when securing your craft using a midship line. As the tide changes in the LI Sound / Nissequogue River by 8 feet twice daily, the tidal currents can become fairly strong. I have had to recover several personal water craft that were tied to our dock via a midship line and forced the dock to roll on top of and trap the craft as a result.

The first time I tried to service my mooring ball, many years ago, I had a friend use a boat hook to snag the chain and pull the mooring ball up to the side of the cockpit as I handled the engine and tiller so that we could work on tangled mooring lines. The Rhodes was not at all stable when secured to the mooring in this manner. She constantly fought the river current and eventually my friend released the hook to prevent being pulled overboard. Since then, I only use fore and aft mooring attachments to prevent such action.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lewin
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

So I take it that mounting regular deck cleats mid boat and through bolted with a backing plate will be a better choice if I want cleats there. 

------------------
Bernard 


On Jul 26, 2021, at 10:27 AM, THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:

?It was being used as a spring line when it broke track 

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines would it be less likely to fail?
> 
> ------------------
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.  
>> 
>> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous. Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or even impossible to adjust. 
>> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not invited to go. 
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone else had a similar situation. 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut 
>>>>> plates embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just 
>>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more 
>>>>> than a few questionable things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
>>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list 
>>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without 
>>>>>> bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
>>>>>> scrubbed...
>>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg
>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
>>>>>> Desc: not available
>>>>>> URL: <
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c
>>>>> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg
>>> .
>> 
>> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> 



From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 11:28:16 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <017901d7822d$4bf55ef0$e3e01cd0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <82BC4810-6AE9-4A26-8D16-90B6968A851C@mail.com>
 <7100F12C-828E-464E-8D14-6007BB00499D@aol.com>
 <017901d7822d$4bf55ef0$e3e01cd0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fq=f11Uce8ahh7OZM=s6kegnHSWCTAuLuuUDMz7uN7rtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious for those that have added backing plates in certain scenarios,
what material have you used for this?

I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with an
angle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint before
installation.  I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the hardware
store or home improvement stores.  I don't recall the gauge/thickness that
I used.  I also used fender washers on top of the backing plates.  I've
added backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks that I installed towards
the bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed, as well as the through
bolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so good.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Stan.
>
> The track was designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces
> experienced in such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track
> is secured properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or
> docking, exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the
> track is not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to
> the track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant
> force is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a
> design flaw.
>
> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my mast
> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces using
> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force that is
> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection process.
> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck mounted
> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral (horizontal)
> forces when docked or moored.
>
> Please do not assume that any fixture will withstand forces outside of its
> design parameters and remember to account for changes due to age of the
> device and boat.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM
> To: Lewin <lewin at mail.com>
> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
>
> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track
>
> > On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines
> would it be less likely to fail?
> >
> > ------------------
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats
> on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything
> about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and
> wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying
> everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will
> continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat.
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes
> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> >>
> >> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track
> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the
> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine
> screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of
> course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I
> think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things
> which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.
> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount
> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough
> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had
> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or
> even impossible to adjust.
> >> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper.
> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a
> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no
> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold
> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not
> invited to go.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone
> else had a similar situation.
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut
> >>>>> plates embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just
> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more
> >>>>> than a few questionable things which needed to be properly
> "re"engineered.
> >>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Todd T.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without
> >>>>>> bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> >>>>>> scrubbed...
> >>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg
> >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes
> >>>>>> Desc: not available
> >>>>>> URL: <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c
> >>>>> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg
> >>> .
> >>
> >> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE 3.jpg>
> >
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jul 26 12:02:18 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 12:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>
References: <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26.ref@aol.com>
 <547C45F5-8A21-4A21-8BA0-BF4551A33A26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005801d78237$9f06bcb0$dd143610$@ca>

When I rebuilt my 1976 R22 I discovered that the genoa tracks were attached
with bolts screwed directly into the fiberglass without nuts or washers on
the underside. I thought at the time that this was the work of some early
substandard contractors who were used to build early boats. In spite of the
fact that the tracks had stayed in place for 40 years without problems I
re-drilled all of the holes and attached the tracks with bolts, washers and
locknuts. 

I subsequently learned that this method of fastening was exactly what Stan
intended and so my refit was another unnecessary "repair" that I made. That
said, the fact that the bolts screwed directly into the fiberglass resulted
in spider web cracks in the gel coat around each hole (mostly hiffen under
the track) and since I was refinishing the deck at the time I grinding out
and re-glassing all cracks anyway and wanted to ensure that the cracks
didn't return.

It probably would have been sufficient to simply countersink the holes to
eliminate future cracks - which I did anyway - but whether necessary or not
I just feel more comfortable with the nuts and washers installed.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 11:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.  I added
cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.  

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From killarneylake at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 09:19:59 2021
From: killarneylake at gmail.com (Michael Dale)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:19:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bow Eye Dimensions
Message-ID: <99CD232F-61C7-4BCC-96B9-D2296DFA2B83@hxcore.ol>


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 27 11:25:37 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:25:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fq=f11Uce8ahh7OZM=s6kegnHSWCTAuLuuUDMz7uN7rtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1505.1627399547.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size varies depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12" x 12" sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily found source is McMaster Carr (https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/). An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider the environment before printing this email.
-------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date: 7/26/21  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Just curious for those that have added backing plates in certain scenarios,what material have you used for this?I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with anangle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint beforeinstallation.? I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the hardwarestore or home improvement stores.? I don't recall the gauge/thickness thatI used.? I also used fender washers on top of the backing plates.? I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed, as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The track was designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces> experienced in such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track> is secured properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or> docking, exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the> track is not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to> the track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant> force is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a> design flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my mast> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces using> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force that is> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection process.> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck mounted> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume that any fixture will withstand forces outside of its> design parameters and remember to account for changes due to age of the> device and boat.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To: Lewin <lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>> > On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would it be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.? I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.? Of> course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.? But I> think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things> which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.? You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not> invited to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone> else had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut> >>>>> plates embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>> than a few questionable things which needed to be properly> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>> bolts.? 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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 11:33:08 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:33:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
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Mike, 316 s/s is very difficult to drill. What tools do you have to cut and
drill 1/4 inch of the 316 stainless steel?
Just curious. This info could give some of us hope.
Cary
S/V Whisper '86

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:25 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size varies
> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12" x 12"
> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily found
> source is McMaster Carr (
> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).
> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider the
> environment before printing this email.
> -------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date: 7/26/21  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Just curious for those that have added
> backing plates in certain scenarios,what material have you used for
> this?I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with
> anangle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint
> beforeinstallation.  I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the
> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.  I don't recall the
> gauge/thickness thatI used.  I also used fender washers on top of the
> backing plates.  I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks
> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed,
> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so
> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D.
> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The track was
> designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces> experienced in
> such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track> is secured
> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or> docking,
> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the> track is
> not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to> the
> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant> force
> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a> design
> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my
> mast> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces
> using> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force
> that is> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection
> process.> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck
> mounted> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral
> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume that any
> fixture will withstand forces outside of its> design parameters and
> remember to account for changes due to age of the> device and boat.>> Mike>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>> -----Original Message----->
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>
> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:
> Lewin <lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22
> Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>> >
> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If a
> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would it
> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On Jul
> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there
> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no
> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.  I know now, the
> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others
> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat.
> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate
> everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,
> at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I
> am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get
> pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes 50
> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when used
> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175 genoa
> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws; more
> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of> course Todd
> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I> think his
> comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things> which needed
> to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally
> my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount> docking
> cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw
> passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender
> washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would>
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore
> or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats,
> mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it
> for a docking cleat.  You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a
> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little docking eyes. See
> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just stop putting moving
> docking cleats where they are not> invited to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>
> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I
> found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone> else
> had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd
> Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine
> screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut> >>>>> plates embedded in
> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if
> the machine screws were just> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded
> into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>> than a few questionable things which
> needed to be properly> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find
> once you dig into this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On
> Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>
> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat
> damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a
> backing plate.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via
> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>
> bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes> >>>>>> Desc: not available> >>>>>> URL: <>
> >>>>>>> >>>>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c> >>>>>
> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg> >>> .> >>> >> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 11:48:35 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1505.1627399547.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
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Mike, thanks for the details.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size varies
> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12" x 12"
> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily found
> source is McMaster Carr (
> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).
> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider the
> environment before printing this email.
> -------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date: 7/26/21  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Just curious for those that have added
> backing plates in certain scenarios,what material have you used for
> this?I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with
> anangle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint
> beforeinstallation.  I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the
> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.  I don't recall the
> gauge/thickness thatI used.  I also used fender washers on top of the
> backing plates.  I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks
> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed,
> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so
> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D.
> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The track was
> designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces> experienced in
> such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track> is secured
> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or> docking,
> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the> track is
> not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to> the
> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant> force
> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a> design
> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my
> mast> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces
> using> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force
> that is> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection
> process.> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck
> mounted> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral
> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume that any
> fixture will withstand forces outside of its> design parameters and
> remember to account for changes due to age of the> device and boat.>> Mike>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>> -----Original Message----->
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>
> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:
> Lewin <lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22
> Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>> >
> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If a
> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would it
> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On Jul
> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there
> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no
> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.  I know now, the
> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others
> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat.
> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate
> everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,
> at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I
> am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get
> pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes 50
> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when used
> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175 genoa
> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws; more
> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of> course Todd
> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I> think his
> comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things> which needed
> to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally
> my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount> docking
> cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw
> passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender
> washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would>
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore
> or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats,
> mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it
> for a docking cleat.  You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a
> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little docking eyes. See
> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just stop putting moving
> docking cleats where they are not> invited to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>
> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I
> found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone> else
> had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd
> Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine
> screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut> >>>>> plates embedded in
> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if
> the machine screws were just> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded
> into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>> than a few questionable things which
> needed to be properly> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find
> once you dig into this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On
> Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>
> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat
> damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a
> backing plate.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via
> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>
> bolts.  I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes> >>>>>> Desc: not available> >>>>>> URL: <>
> >>>>>>> >>>>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c> >>>>>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 27 11:50:12 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:50:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
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-------- Original message --------From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> Date: 7/27/21  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Mike, 316 s/s is very difficult to drill. What tools do you have to cut anddrill 1/4 inch of the 316 stainless steel?Just curious. This info could give some of us hope.CaryS/V Whisper '86On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:25 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size varies> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12" x 12"> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily found> source is McMaster Carr (> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider the> environment before printing this email.> -------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date: 7/26/21? 11:28 AM? (GMT-05:00) To:> The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Just curious for those that have added> backing plates in certain scenarios,what material have you used for> this?I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with> anangle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint> beforeinstallation.? I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.? I don't recall the> gauge/thickness thatI used.? I also used fender washers on top of the> backing plates.? I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed,> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D.> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The track was> designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces> experienced in> such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track> is secured> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or> docking,> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the> track is> not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to> the> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant> force> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a> design> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my> mast> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces> using> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force> that is> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection> process.> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck> mounted> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume that any> fixture will withstand forces outside of its> design parameters and> remember to account for changes due to age of the> device and boat.>> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:> Lewin <lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22> Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>> >> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If a> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would it> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On Jul> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.? I know now, the> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat.> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate> everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,> at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I> am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get> pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes 50> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when used> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175 genoa> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws; more> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.? Of> course Todd> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.? But I> think his> comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things> which needed> to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally> my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount> docking> cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw> passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender> washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would>> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore> or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats,> mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it> for a docking cleat.? You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little docking eyes. See> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just stop putting moving> docking cleats where they are not> invited to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I> found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone> else> had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd> Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine> screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut> >>>>> plates embedded in> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if> the machine screws were just> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded> into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>> than a few questionable things which> needed to be properly> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find> once you dig into this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On> Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat> damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a> backing plate.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>> bolts.? I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was>> >>>>>> scrubbed...> >>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg> >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg>> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes> >>>>>> Desc: not available> >>>>>> URL: <>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c> >>>>>> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg> >>> .> >>> >> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE> 3.jpg>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: Screenshot_20210727-111606_Chrome.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 339078 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210727/ad515376/attachment.jpg> >>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 27 11:59:54 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:59:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
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I use SHARP cobalt (Kobalt) bits in a drill press turning 1600 RPM, max, WITH cutting oil. Go slowly, keep the drill at right angles to the material and peck regularly (withdraw to clean flutes). If you really have trouble with 316, buy 303/304 stainless and save $$ on the material and drills (use HSS bits). 316 is recommended in marine environments for corrosion resistance but if it is typically inside the cabin or lazarette it will help.Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?
-------- Original message --------From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> Date: 7/27/21  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Mike, 316 s/s is very difficult to drill. What tools do you have to cut anddrill 1/4 inch of the 316 stainless steel?Just curious. This info could give some of us hope.CaryS/V Whisper '86On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:25 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size varies> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12" x 12"> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily found> source is McMaster Carr (> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider the> environment before printing this email.> -------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date: 7/26/21? 11:28 AM? (GMT-05:00) To:> The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Just curious for those that have added> backing plates in certain scenarios,what material have you used for> this?I've used steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with> anangle grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint> beforeinstallation.? I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.? I don't recall the> gauge/thickness thatI used.? I also used fender washers on top of the> backing plates.? I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two chocks> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I installed,> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so far so> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM Michael D.> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The track was> designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces> experienced in> such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the track> is secured> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line or> docking,> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which the> track is> not well suited. Such applications will likely result in damage to> the> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if significant> force> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a necessarily a> design> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted docking cleat as part of my> mast> crane system. I have through bolted and spread the transmitted forces> using> a backing plate to accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force> that is> applied by the winch at the start and end of the mast erection> process.> This is quite different than the original purpose of the deck> mounted> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume that any> fixture will withstand forces outside of its> design parameters and> remember to account for changes due to age of the> device and boat.>> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:> Lewin <lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22> Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>> >> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If a> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would it> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On Jul> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.? I know now, the> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat.> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate> everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,> at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I> am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get> pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes 50> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when used> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175 genoa> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws; more> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.? Of> course Todd> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.? But I> think his> comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things> which needed> to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally> my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount> docking> cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw> passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender> washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would>> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore> or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats,> mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it> for a docking cleat.? You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little docking eyes. See> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just stop putting moving> docking cleats where they are not> invited to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I> found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone> else> had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd> Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine> screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut> >>>>> plates embedded in> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if> the machine screws were just> >>>>> threaded into wood or even threaded> into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>> than a few questionable things which> needed to be properly> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find> once you dig into this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On> Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat> damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a> backing plate.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>> bolts.? I added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was>> >>>>>> scrubbed...> >>>>>> Name: IMG_0041.jpg> >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg>> >>>>>> Size: 763976 bytes> >>>>>> Desc: not available> >>>>>> URL: <>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210725/c> >>>>>> 07b3fde/attachment.jpg> >>> .> >>> >> <6221802_20170501145922633_1_XLARGE> 3.jpg>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: Screenshot_20210727-111606_Chrome.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 339078 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210727/ad515376/attachment.jpg> >>
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From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Jul 27 12:33:44 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
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Would not AL plate work?  Just a little thicker. Always see masts with SS
and AL together so metals seem ok together. Alot simpler to work with. Am I
incorrect?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 11:00 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> I use SHARP cobalt (Kobalt) bits in a drill press turning 1600 RPM, max,
> WITH cutting oil. Go slowly, keep the drill at right angles to the material
> and peck regularly (withdraw to clean flutes). If you really have trouble
> with 316, buy 303/304 stainless and save $$ on the material and drills (use
> HSS bits). 316 is recommended in marine environments for corrosion
> resistance but if it is typically inside the cabin or lazarette it will
> help.Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?
> -------- Original message --------From: Cary Tolbert <
> retiredtoby at gmail.com> Date: 7/27/21  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Mike, 316 s/s is very difficult to drill.
> What tools do you have to cut anddrill 1/4 inch of the 316 stainless
> steel?Just curious. This info could give some of us hope.CaryS/V Whisper
> '86On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:25 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless steel sheets. The size
> varies> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12"
> x 12"> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One easily
> found> source is McMaster Carr (>
> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).>
> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.> Mike> s/v Wind
> Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please consider
> the> environment before printing this email.> -------- Original message
> --------From: Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date:
> 7/26/21  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:> The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
> Just curious for those that have added> backing plates in certain
> scenarios,what material have you used for> this?I've used steel sheet metal
> from Home Depot that I cut to size with> anangle grinder and painted with
> Rustoleum primer and paint> beforeinstallation.  I didn't find stainless
> steel sheet metal at the> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.  I
> don't recall the> gauge/thickness thatI used.  I also used fender washers
> on top of the> backing plates.  I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat,
> two chocks> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that I
> installed,> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller mount... so
> far so> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:48 AM
> Michael D.> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree with Stan.>> The
> track was> designed to support the stresses of the jib car. The forces>
> experienced in> such use are directed more fore and aft, for which the
> track> is secured> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring line
> or> docking,> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for which
> the> track is> not well suited. Such applications will likely result in
> damage to> the> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail if
> significant> force> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a
> necessarily a> design> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted
> docking cleat as part of my> mast> crane system. I have through bolted and
> spread the transmitted forces> using> a backing plate to accommodate the
> nearly 500 lbs of vertical force> that is> applied by the winch at the
> start and end of the mast erection> process.> This is quite different than
> the original purpose of the deck> mounted> docking cleat which was designed
> to sustain mostly lateral> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>>
> Please do not assume that any> fixture will withstand forces outside of
> its> design parameters and> remember to account for changes due to age of
> the> device and boat.>> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>>
> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>> THOMAS POLISE via
> Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:> Lewin <
> lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22> Email
> List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]>
> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track>>
> >> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > ?If
> a> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> would
> it> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> > On
> Jul> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there>
> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no>
> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.  I know now, the>
> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make others>
> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything about the boat.>
> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> continue to appreciate>
> everything you did to create this incredible boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,>
> at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I>
> am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get>
> pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes
> 50> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - when
> used> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175
> genoa> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> screws;
> more> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of>
> course Todd> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I>
> think his> comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things>
> which needed> to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously
> disingenuous.> Personally> my over the hill engineering mind would think it
> silly to mount> docking> cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had
> long enough> machine screw> passing all the way through the outerside of
> the hull and had> fender> washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable
> docking cleats would>> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making
> the genoa cars a chore> or> even impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to
> put on docking cleats,> mount them to the boat proper.> You want a spring
> line cleat, don't use it> for a docking cleat.  You want a> boat engineered
> for docking? Have I got a> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just
> three little docking eyes. See> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any
> winds. Just stop putting moving> docking cleats where they are not> invited
> to go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via
> Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I> found that there are no nuts or nut plates,
> just curious if anyone> else> had a similar situation.> >>>> >>>>> On Jul
> 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd> Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:>
> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine> screws. There should be nuts underneath or
> nut> >>>>> plates embedded in> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> >>>>>
> But it wouldn't surprise me if> the machine screws were just> >>>>>
> threaded into wood or even threaded> into epoxy. I've found more> >>>>>
> than a few questionable things which> needed to be properly>
> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find> once you dig into this
> problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On> Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10
> AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi
> Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat> damage?> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a> backing plate.> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun,
> Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else notice
> that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>> bolts.  I added cleat to
> track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> --------------
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 27 14:11:20 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:11:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track
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Aluminum would work. It should be "passivated" if used in a marine environment to prevent corrosion and oxidation. I have used brushed & anodized aluminum without issue.

Some have taken the trouble to paint the backing plate white to match the gel coat of the interior. There are many paint products that are compatible with aluminum. You will probably need to use the proper primer.

I just prefer the clean look of stainless.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of michael meltzer
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

Would not AL plate work?  Just a little thicker. Always see masts with SS and AL together so metals seem ok together. Alot simpler to work with. Am I incorrect?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 11:00 AM mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> I use SHARP cobalt (Kobalt) bits in a drill press turning 1600 RPM, 
> max, WITH cutting oil. Go slowly, keep the drill at right angles to 
> the material and peck regularly (withdraw to clean flutes). If you 
> really have trouble with 316, buy 303/304 stainless and save $$ on the 
> material and drills (use HSS bits). 316 is recommended in marine 
> environments for corrosion resistance but if it is typically inside 
> the cabin or lazarette it will help.Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) 
> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?
> -------- Original message --------From: Cary Tolbert < 
> retiredtoby at gmail.com> Date: 7/27/21  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The 
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track Mike, 316 s/s is very difficult to drill.
> What tools do you have to cut anddrill 1/4 inch of the 316 stainless 
> steel?Just curious. This info could give some of us hope.CaryS/V 
> Whisper '86On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:25 AM mweisner 
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:> I typically use 1/4" thick 316 stainless 
> steel sheets. The size
> varies> depending on the load from 1" x 2" strips for small hardware to 12"
> x 12"> sheet stock ($130 at McMaster) for the mast crane cleat. One 
> easily
> found> source is McMaster Carr (>
> https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/stainless-steel/shape~sheet-and-bar/co
> rrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/thickness~1-4/).>
> An image of the link is attached at the end of the email.> Mike> s/v 
> Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing ?Please 
> consider
> the> environment before printing this email.> -------- Original 
> the> message
> --------From: Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> Date:
> 7/26/21  11:28 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:> The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Unbolted 
> track Just curious for those that have added> backing plates in 
> certain scenarios,what material have you used for> this?I've used 
> steel sheet metal from Home Depot that I cut to size with> anangle 
> grinder and painted with Rustoleum primer and paint> 
> beforeinstallation.  I didn't find stainless steel sheet metal at the> 
> hardwarestore or home improvement stores.  I don't recall the> 
> gauge/thickness thatI used.  I also used fender washers on top of the> 
> backing plates.  I'veadded backing plates for the bow cleat, two 
> chocks> that I installed towardsthe bow, a flip up midship cleat that 
> I installed,> as well as the throughbolts for the anchor roller 
> mount... so far so> good.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Mon, Jul 26, 2021 
> at 9:48 AM Michael D.> Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:> I agree 
> with Stan.>> The track was> designed to support the stresses of the 
> jib car. The forces> experienced in> such use are directed more fore 
> and aft, for which the
> track> is secured> properly. A track mounted cleat, whether for spring 
> track> line
> or> docking,> exerts significant forces upward and side to side, for 
> or> which
> the> track is> not well suited. Such applications will likely result 
> the> in
> damage to> the> track, as you have found. Lastly, the track may fail 
> if
> significant> force> is applied, simply due to its age, which is not a
> necessarily a> design> flaw.>> By the way, I use the foredeck mounted 
> docking cleat as part of my> mast> crane system. I have through bolted 
> and spread the transmitted forces> using> a backing plate to 
> accommodate the nearly 500 lbs of vertical force> that is> applied by 
> the winch at the start and end of the mast erection> process.> This is 
> quite different than the original purpose of the deck> mounted> 
> docking cleat which was designed to sustain mostly lateral> 
> (horizontal)> forces when docked or moored.>> Please do not assume 
> that any> fixture will withstand forces outside of
> its> design parameters and> remember to account for changes due to age 
> its> of
> the> device and boat.>> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, 
> the> NY>>
> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list < 
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>> THOMAS POLISE via
> Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:28 AM> To:> Lewin <
> lewin at mail.com>> Cc: stan <stan at generalboats.com>; The Rhodes 22> 
> Email List <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: 
> [Rhodes22-list]> Unbolted track>> It was being used as a spring line 
> when it broke track>>
> >> On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:> >> > 
> >> ?If
> a> track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines> 
> a> would
> it> be less likely to fail?> >> > ------------------> > Bernard> >> >> 
> it> > On
> Jul> 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <>>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >> > ?I only posted because there> 
> were previous posts about mounting cleats> on the track. I have no> 
> complaints about the boat and enjoy everything> about it.  I know now, 
> the> hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and> wanted to make 
> others> aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying> everything 
> about the boat.> No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will> 
> continue to appreciate> everything you did to create this incredible 
> boat.> >> >> On Jul 25, 2021,> at 6:47 PM, stan 
> <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >>> >> ?> >> My O my, I> am flattered 
> when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes> engineering get> pleasure 
> out of finding what they think is a flaw.> >>> >> In the Rhodes
> 50> plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track> pull off - 
> 50> when
> used> for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the> giant 175
> genoa> sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine> 
> genoa> screws;
> more> than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of>
> course Todd> did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  
> But I> think his> comment that "I've found more than a few 
> questionable things> which needed> to be properly "re"engineered." is 
> gratuitously disingenuous.> Personally> my over the hill engineering 
> mind would think it silly to mount> docking> cleats to genoa tracks. 
> Even if those tracks had long enough> machine screw> passing all the 
> way through the outerside of the hull and had> fender> washers and 
> lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would>> distort the 
> thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore> or> even 
> impossible to adjust.> >> If you want to put on docking cleats,> mount 
> them to the boat proper.> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it> 
> for a docking cleat.  You want a> boat engineered for docking? Have I 
> got a> boat to sell you. No hands, no> straps, just three little 
> docking eyes. See> attachment. Guaranteed to hold> for any winds. Just 
> stop putting moving> docking cleats where they are not> invited to 
> go.> >>> >> stan> >>> >>>> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via 
> Rhodes22-list wrote:> >>> I> found that there are no nuts or nut 
> plates, just curious if anyone> else> had a similar situation.> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd> Tavares 
> <tavares0947 at gmail.com>> wrote:>
> >>>>>> >>>>> ?Those are machine> screws. There should be nuts 
> >>>>>> >>>>> underneath or
> nut> >>>>> plates embedded in> the rail under the gelcoat.> >>>>>> 
> nut> >>>>> >>>>>
> But it wouldn't surprise me if> the machine screws were just> >>>>> 
> threaded into wood or even threaded> into epoxy. I've found more> 
> >>>>> than a few questionable things which> needed to be properly> 
> "re"engineered.> >>>>> Let us know what you find> once you dig into 
> this problem.> >>>>>> >>>>> Todd T.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On> Sun, Jul 25, 
> 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat> damage?> 
> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a> backing 
> plate.> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 
> >>>>>> Sun,
> Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via> Rhodes22-list> >>>>>> < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else notice 
> that the jib track is just put in without> >>>>>>> bolts.  I added 
> cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> 
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From prunicki at icloud.com  Thu Jul 29 12:19:57 2021
From: prunicki at icloud.com (Michael Pruchnicki)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in Florida
Message-ID: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>

All

     I am looking for a Rhodes 22 to keep in FL and sail there in the winter.  If anyone is interested in selling and lives kinda close to FL, please let me know.

Thanks

Mike

515-229-5242

Sent from my iPad

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 17:30:11 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in Florida
In-Reply-To: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
References: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mtQEcboMRA0Cvt5jzDbzNwwLhMneQBt+X0Bu_25Z4udGg@mail.gmail.com>

i keep my Rhodes 22 in Sarasota and sail it in the winter but I'm North now
(in Boston as of mid-August). I'll be returning to Sarasota in early
November and will be there through April and I'd be happy to go for a sail
anytime in that period. But I"m not interested in selling
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:20 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> All
>
>      I am looking for a Rhodes 22 to keep in FL and sail there in the
> winter.  If anyone is interested in selling and lives kinda close to FL,
> please let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 515-229-5242
>
> Sent from my iPad

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Jul 29 17:52:01 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in Florida
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mtQEcboMRA0Cvt5jzDbzNwwLhMneQBt+X0Bu_25Z4udGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
 <CAHrO9mtQEcboMRA0Cvt5jzDbzNwwLhMneQBt+X0Bu_25Z4udGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5gwjR-DaRP6ju0osL5fpaj5Ld_J9dM7+PSLsPnHWWEGg@mail.gmail.com>

There was a turquoise boat called "sea sick" that has been for sale a while
on the public forums....  My uncle saw it said it was a beautiful boat.
 West coast of Florida....  They were asking 40k IIRC

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 4:30 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> i keep my Rhodes 22 in Sarasota and sail it in the winter but I'm North now
> (in Boston as of mid-August). I'll be returning to Sarasota in early
> November and will be there through April and I'd be happy to go for a sail
> anytime in that period. But I"m not interested in selling
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore
> Cell: 410-499-8922
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:20 PM Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > All
> >
> >      I am looking for a Rhodes 22 to keep in FL and sail there in the
> > winter.  If anyone is interested in selling and lives kinda close to FL,
> > please let me know.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 515-229-5242
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
>

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 10:41:38 2021
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 10:41:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in Florida
In-Reply-To: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
References: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1528CA45-DDC9-4F24-B43A-CFEC7399BD93@gmail.com>

I have a fixer upper i had listed for $2500
I would let it go for $1500 with the trailer.
It all needs work. But its a solid boat. 

Bob

> On Jul 29, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?All
> 
>     I am looking for a Rhodes 22 to keep in FL and sail there in the winter.  If anyone is interested in selling and lives kinda close to FL, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike
> 
> 515-229-5242
> 
> Sent from my iPad

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Jul 31 11:33:58 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 11:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in Florida
In-Reply-To: <1528CA45-DDC9-4F24-B43A-CFEC7399BD93@gmail.com>
References: <875F9D47-85B6-4934-A99B-ADA6667AFB52@icloud.com>
 <1528CA45-DDC9-4F24-B43A-CFEC7399BD93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C2FEA85-866D-42D9-9B4D-8B8BF8EABD1A@stottarchitecture.com>

IMF rig or Continental?
Ric 
Dadventure 
HB NY

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jul 31, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a fixer upper i had listed for $2500
> I would let it go for $1500 with the trailer.
> It all needs work. But its a solid boat. 
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Michael Pruchnicki via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?All
>> 
>>    I am looking for a Rhodes 22 to keep in FL and sail there in the winter.  If anyone is interested in selling and lives kinda close to FL, please let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 515-229-5242
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad