[Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

[Tom Van Heule]

Is that a diamond board, vs. what we saw from Chris earlier today?

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 6:33 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That’s a beautiful picture of a Rhodes 22 suspended in mid-air!
>
> Frank
>
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes
> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> >
> > In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track
> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the
> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine
> screws; more than sufficient to carry the _shear_ loading placed on them.
> Of course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But
> I think his comment that /"I've found more than a few questionable//things
> which needed to be properly "re"engineered."/ is gratuitously disingenuous.
> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount
> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough
> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had
> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or
> even impossible to adjust.
> >
> > If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper. You
> want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a
> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no
> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold
> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not
> invited to go.
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone
> else had a similar situation.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut
> plates
> >>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> >>>
> >>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded
> into
> >>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few
> questionable
> >>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
> >>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> >>>
> >>> Todd T.
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> >>>>
> >>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without bolts.
> I
> >>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
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