[Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

[ROGER PIHLAJA]

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I’m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I’ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I’ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
> 
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>> 
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>> 
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>> 
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>> 
>> Thanks, all.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn’s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Allyn,
>>> 
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>