[Rhodes22-list] mooring

[Goodness]

I tie my bow eye to the mooring with a large stainless marine caribiner.   I feel it is less likely to saw through with wave action like chocks can.  I take a dinghy out to my mooring though and use it to clip on to the eye because i cant reach it easily from the deck.
So as i return to the mooring i pick up the painter with a boat hook and tie it to the deck bow cleat.  Then put everything away and do the switch as i am leaving in the dinghy. I have used the dingy painter to tie to both mooring and boat if the wind was up while doing the switch.

Mooring is a #150 mushroom jetted 5’ deep into the sand with a #60 section of 6’ ship chain attached to the 25’ galvanized mooring chain attached to the White/blue stripe mooring ball.  My painter is 25’ 3/4 inch nylon anchor rope with a small float and a 10’ floating poly line for pickup.  I do have a good bit of swing but its an empty mooring field that ranges from 8-12’ deep.

Bob (Palatka)

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Your forward crew can do the same on an R22.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 4:50 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone, I get it now. I was thinking of my experience with
>> smaller boats, thistles & flying Scots when forward crew could clip on the
>> ball.
>> Scott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:49 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Assuming you are using Peter’s below attached definitions for bow eye
>> and bow cleat, the only reason you would want to tie off to the bow eye vs
>> the bow cleat would be if you are anchoring on short scope or if the anchor
>> is set into a poor holding bottom.  Tying off to the bow eye reduces the
>> vertical distance from the tie off point to the anchor.  Remember, the
>> vertical distance is the water depth + height of the tie off point above
>> the water.  An example may make this more clear.  My bow eye is about 1.5
>> ft above the water and my bow cleats are about 3.0 ft above the water.
>> Suppose we are anchoring in 7 ft of water using 60 ft of anchor rode.
>> Tying off to the bow eye would yield a scope ratio of [60 ft] / [7 ft + 1.5
>> ft] = 60 / 8.5 = 7.1 .  Tying off to the bow cleat would yield a scope
>> ratio of
>>> [60 ft] / [7 ft + 3.0 ft] = 60 / 10 = 6.0 .  A scope ratio of 7.1 would
>> probably be OK for anchoring overnight.  A scope ratio of 6.0 would be
>> iffy.  So, if you are trying to anchor in a situation where there is
>> limited room to swing &/or a poor holding bottom; then, consider using the
>> bow eye vs the bow cleat to slightly improve your scope ratio.  Of course,
>> using the bow eye is much more trouble vs using the bow cleat.  A typical
>> mooring has a huge deeply set anchor that is unlikely to drag and so there
>> is usually no reason to use the bow eye vs the bow cleat on a mooring.
>>> 
>>> Having said that, I used my bow eye and stern eye at my slip very time I
>> docked at my home slip.  But, I was in a situation where I parked sideways
>> to a wharf and the boat was exposed to wave action from the side.  Rather
>> than depend upon fenders to absorb the wave action and keep the hull off
>> the dock, I had a pair of mooring whips.  Mooring whips look like HD
>> fishing poles attached to the dock.  I had my mooring whips setup to attach
>> to the bow eye and stern eye using quick release carabiners.  They held the
>> boat about 2 ft off the dock.  Of course all that gear was swept away along
>> with my dock during the May 19, 2020 dam failure and flood!
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Peter Nyberg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:00 AM
>>> To: sea20 at verizon.net; The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mooring
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure what you’re asking, and it may be a terminology issue.  Is
>> it possible that when you say ‘bow eye’ you mean ‘bow cleat’?  The bow
>> cleat would be attached to the deck, where as the bow eye is attached to
>> the stem of the hull.  You could in theory attach your mooring to the bow
>> eye, but I can’t see why you would want a second one.
>>> 
>>> Adding one or two more cleats at the bow is a pretty common project. You
>> would want it through-bolted, and you would want to avoid any possibility
>> of water finding it’s way into the deck core.  I’d recommend a
>> drill-fill-drill approach.  If you don’t know what that is, I can
>> elaborate.
>>> 
>>> —Peter
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Scott E Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings all,    I will likely be on a waiting list for a slip next
>> season and will be on a mooring. I have a couple questions regarding
>> painter and pendant attachment. I read MJM"s email regarding use of the bow
>> eye with chocks. Is the any reason not to add a second bow eye? Also, is
>> there a recomended pendant or painter length? Thanks everyone.
>>>> Scott AndrewsFirst year owner, Wilmington De
>>> 
>>> 
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