[Rhodes22-list] mooring

[Michael D. Weisner]

Twin bow cleats. Same deck. Same boat

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I’d rather be sailing :~)



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mooring

Mike, your technique sounds very similar to what I did with the Flying Scots. Particularly the use of two pendants as we had loose boats with only one. Do yours both attach to the same bow eye?
Scott
86’ Rhodes 22
Wilmington De.

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> On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> I have moored my Rhodes boats for over 30 years in the Nissequogue River.
> 
> Here are a few observations:
> 1. Use a swivel 10 feet below the float to prevent chain twisted bunching up which will reduce the scope.
> 2. Use a positive floatation buoy. The teardrop inflatables do not last and fail at inopportune times.
> 3. Attach the mooring pennant lines to the top of the buoy with a shackle through the thimble.
> 4. Use 2 mooring pennants, if possible (don't ask, I learned the hard way).
> 5. Use 12' mooring pennant(s) to accommodate impulse loads (stretch, give).
> 5. DO NOT USE CARABINERS!
>     While they may be rated for the needed strength, 
>     the spring latch is not a safe solution when unattended for long periods.
> 6. Foam "pool noodles" make excellent and cheap floatation sleeves for 
>    the mooring lines when the boat is out. With a little effort, they usually 
>    can be slid over the lines without cutting the foam.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Goodness
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:46 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mooring
> 
> I tie my bow eye to the mooring with a large stainless marine caribiner.   I feel it is less likely to saw through with wave action like chocks can.  I take a dinghy out to my mooring though and use it to clip on to the eye because i cant reach it easily from the deck.
> So as i return to the mooring i pick up the painter with a boat hook and tie it to the deck bow cleat.  Then put everything away and do the switch as i am leaving in the dinghy. I have used the dingy painter to tie to both mooring and boat if the wind was up while doing the switch.
> 
> Mooring is a #150 mushroom jetted 5’ deep into the sand with a #60 section of 6’ ship chain attached to the 25’ galvanized mooring chain attached to the White/blue stripe mooring ball.  My painter is 25’ 3/4 inch nylon anchor rope with a small float and a 10’ floating poly line for pickup.  I do have a good bit of swing but its an empty mooring field that ranges from 8-12’ deep.
> 
> Bob (Palatka)
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Your forward crew can do the same on an R22.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Rick Lange
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 4:50 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < 
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone, I get it now. I was thinking of my experience with 
>>> smaller boats, thistles & flying Scots when forward crew could clip 
>>> on the ball.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:49 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Assuming you are using Peter’s below attached definitions for bow 
>>>>> eye
>>> and bow cleat, the only reason you would want to tie off to the bow 
>>> eye vs the bow cleat would be if you are anchoring on short scope or 
>>> if the anchor is set into a poor holding bottom.  Tying off to the 
>>> bow eye reduces the vertical distance from the tie off point to the 
>>> anchor.  Remember, the vertical distance is the water depth + height 
>>> of the tie off point above the water.  An example may make this more 
>>> clear.  My bow eye is about 1.5 ft above the water and my bow cleats are about 3.0 ft above the water.
>>> Suppose we are anchoring in 7 ft of water using 60 ft of anchor rode.
>>> Tying off to the bow eye would yield a scope ratio of [60 ft] / [7 
>>> ft
>>> + 1.5 ft] = 60 / 8.5 = 7.1 .  Tying off to the bow cleat would yield
>>> a scope ratio of
>>>> [60 ft] / [7 ft + 3.0 ft] = 60 / 10 = 6.0 .  A scope ratio of 7.1 
>>>> would
>>> probably be OK for anchoring overnight.  A scope ratio of 6.0 would 
>>> be iffy.  So, if you are trying to anchor in a situation where there 
>>> is limited room to swing &/or a poor holding bottom; then, consider 
>>> using the bow eye vs the bow cleat to slightly improve your scope 
>>> ratio.  Of course, using the bow eye is much more trouble vs using 
>>> the bow cleat.  A typical mooring has a huge deeply set anchor that 
>>> is unlikely to drag and so there is usually no reason to use the bow eye vs the bow cleat on a mooring.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said that, I used my bow eye and stern eye at my slip very 
>>>> time I
>>> docked at my home slip.  But, I was in a situation where I parked 
>>> sideways to a wharf and the boat was exposed to wave action from the 
>>> side.  Rather than depend upon fenders to absorb the wave action and 
>>> keep the hull off the dock, I had a pair of mooring whips.  Mooring 
>>> whips look like HD fishing poles attached to the dock.  I had my 
>>> mooring whips setup to attach to the bow eye and stern eye using 
>>> quick release carabiners.  They held the boat about 2 ft off the 
>>> dock.  Of course all that gear was swept away along with my dock during the May 19, 2020 dam failure and flood!
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>> From: Peter Nyberg
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:00 AM
>>>> To: sea20 at verizon.net; The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mooring
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure what you’re asking, and it may be a terminology issue.  
>>>> Is
>>> it possible that when you say ‘bow eye’ you mean ‘bow cleat’?  The 
>>> bow cleat would be attached to the deck, where as the bow eye is 
>>> attached to the stem of the hull.  You could in theory attach your 
>>> mooring to the bow eye, but I can’t see why you would want a second one.
>>>> 
>>>> Adding one or two more cleats at the bow is a pretty common project. 
>>>> You
>>> would want it through-bolted, and you would want to avoid any 
>>> possibility of water finding it’s way into the deck core.  I’d 
>>> recommend a drill-fill-drill approach.  If you don’t know what that 
>>> is, I can elaborate.
>>>> 
>>>> —Peter
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Scott E Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings all,    I will likely be on a waiting list for a slip next
>>> season and will be on a mooring. I have a couple questions regarding 
>>> painter and pendant attachment. I read MJM"s email regarding use of 
>>> the bow eye with chocks. Is the any reason not to add a second bow 
>>> eye? Also, is there a recomended pendant or painter length? Thanks everyone.
>>>>> Scott AndrewsFirst year owner, Wilmington De
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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