[Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications - another alternative

[Rick Lange]

Graham,

Maybe you can get in earlier, cheaper model from Stan. I have one that
works fine, just slower.

Rick Lange

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 10:11 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I have been interested in the traveler discussion. My boat (1976) didn't
> have a traveler when I got it and the mainsheet was simply attached to the
> table base in the cockpit. My backstays are not equipped to install a
> traveler and replacing the stays with new ones seemed cost prohibitive to
> me. Initially I installed a traveler between the lazerette and the cockpit
> seats. That worked well enough but made movement around the cockpit
> awkward.
>
> My latest version was to mount the traveler track to a 1" stainless steel
> tube and fasten that to my stern rail where it would seem to work in a
> manner similar to those attached to the back stays. The rail does not flex
> like the backstays would but I don't know if that is a good thing or not.
> While this system seems very strong to me I am no engineer or otherwise
> qualified to know.
>
> For those who are reluctant to pay the cost of both the backstay
> replacement plus the cost of the new traveler this arrangement might be
> worth considering.
>
> I like that the traveler being close to the stern rail means I don't have
> an additional barrier to reaching over the stern rail to lift the motor and
> that it is out of the way when sailing. I don't like the fact the it is
> awkward to reach the lee traveler line. Any thought on improvements or
> worries about this installation would be welcome.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:45 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications
>
> Hmm, i'll jump in and throw my two cents in, with my 1976 R22.
>
> When i'm racing in gusty 15+ knots... i am typically sitting on the side
> rails above the seat, with one hand on the tiller extension and my other
> fully gloved hand is holding the mainsheet uncleated, and i use that hand
> to either let slip the mainsheet in a strong gust, or i give and take a
> little with my hand holding the mainsheet from flying loose.  I have a
> harken 3:1 windward sheeting traveler rail mounted on the back stays.  I
> try to get the mainsheet as flat as possible.  I would never use my
> traveler to try controlling the main for gusting, holding the uncleated
> mainsheet just feels natural, a little give, a little take, lets me feel
> like i'm riding with the wind, and it allows instant response.  Though on
> long races my arms feel it.
>
> BTW, my traveler setup in the picture.  I mounted the harken traveler rail
> on a 1" OD Fiberglass tube with stainless 316 mounts on each end that the
> backstays run through.  Mounts are attached to the backstay with a small
> stainless tube slightly larger than the backstay diameter to reduce the
> friction wear on the backstays.  I love the setup, but sometimes wish I had
> a fixed traveler rail that wasn't floating.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:38 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Oh boy, a match race! Much more enjoyable than the obscene, but
> > fascinating, America's Cup races I just watched.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo (1986/2010)
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 1:49 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I learned to sail and race by taking a college physical education class
> > > over 50 years ago.  I've raced dinghies through keel boats, including
> the
> > > R22, and as skipper, have a few blue flags to show for it.
> > >
> > > I accept your challenge to match race R22's with the IMF and diamond
> > board.
> > >
> > > I challenge you to produce the videos you said are so common
> > demonstrating
> > > using the traveller on small sloops to dump wind during gusts
> > > that overpower while close hauled.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 2:44 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >
> > > > We were having a discussion of mainsail trim and traveler use in
> heavy
> > > air
> > > > wherein the rig needs to be depowered in gusts and then quickly
> brought
> > > > back on line after the gust has passed.  Mainsail shape for <= 10
> knots
> > > is
> > > > considered light air and is a different subject.  As you noted, the
> > > optimum
> > > > light air mainsail shape is achieved with a different traveler car
> > > position
> > > > and mainsheet tension vs heavy air.  In light air, it is also much
> less
> > > > likely the rig will need to be depowered as per the original
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > It is beyond the scope of my job description to give tutorials on
> sail
> > > > trim in all possible conditions. I suggest you take a class or go
> > racing.
> > > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > I give up!  I’ve tried to explain the merits of your GBI 29 Traveler
> to
> > > > the best of my ability.  But, it’s not working.  If you want to jump
> > into
> > > > this discussion, go ahead.  But, I’m done.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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