[Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications - another alternative

Fri Mar 26 13:13:58 EDT 2021

Graham,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium needed a new backstay at the time anyway.  So, I took the opportunity to order a new double backstay assembly from GBI with the traveler bar sockets attached.  The traveler bar sockets are simply pieces of 1-1/4” OD X 0.120” Wall Thickness (1.010” ID) X 2” Long 316 SS seamless tubing that have been drilled for the backstay cable and fast pin.  Assuming you either order the sockets from Stan or build them yourself, the backstays could be assembled by any competent rigging shop.  Remember, you would also need the blocks for the backstay adjuster if you a building a new backstay.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications - another alternative

Rob: No, my boat did not have anything attached to the back stays that would
attach to a traveler. I thought that those with the end cups were specially
made. Otherwise, how were the cups attached?

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca

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Lowe, Rob
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications -
another alternative

Graham,
My first boat was a 1976 and had the traveler bar mounted between two 'bar
end cups' that attached to the back stays.  Is your boat not similarity
equipped? I don't think there was anything special about the backstays.  -
Rob

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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications -
another alternative

I have been interested in the traveler discussion. My boat (1976) didn't
have a traveler when I got it and the mainsheet was simply attached to the
table base in the cockpit. My backstays are not equipped to install a
traveler and replacing the stays with new ones seemed cost prohibitive to
me. Initially I installed a traveler between the lazerette and the cockpit
seats. That worked well enough but made movement around the cockpit awkward.

My latest version was to mount the traveler track to a 1" stainless steel
tube and fasten that to my stern rail where it would seem to work in a
manner similar to those attached to the back stays. The rail does not flex
like the backstays would but I don't know if that is a good thing or not.
While this system seems very strong to me I am no engineer or otherwise
qualified to know.

For those who are reluctant to pay the cost of both the backstay replacement
plus the cost of the new traveler this arrangement might be worth
considering.

I like that the traveler being close to the stern rail means I don't have an
additional barrier to reaching over the stern rail to lift the motor and
that it is out of the way when sailing. I don't like the fact the it is
awkward to reach the lee traveler line. Any thought on improvements or
worries about this installation would be welcome.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

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Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications

Hmm, i'll jump in and throw my two cents in, with my 1976 R22.

When i'm racing in gusty 15+ knots... i am typically sitting on the side
rails above the seat, with one hand on the tiller extension and my other
fully gloved hand is holding the mainsheet uncleated, and i use that hand
to either let slip the mainsheet in a strong gust, or i give and take a
little with my hand holding the mainsheet from flying loose.  I have a
harken 3:1 windward sheeting traveler rail mounted on the back stays.  I
try to get the mainsheet as flat as possible.  I would never use my
traveler to try controlling the main for gusting, holding the uncleated
mainsheet just feels natural, a little give, a little take, lets me feel
like i'm riding with the wind, and it allows instant response.  Though on
long races my arms feel it.

BTW, my traveler setup in the picture.  I mounted the harken traveler rail
on a 1" OD Fiberglass tube with stainless 316 mounts on each end that the
backstays run through.  Mounts are attached to the backstay with a small
stainless tube slightly larger than the backstay diameter to reduce the
friction wear on the backstays.  I love the setup, but sometimes wish I had
a fixed traveler rail that wasn't floating.

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Curtis

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:38 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh boy, a match race! Much more enjoyable than the obscene, but
> fascinating, America's Cup races I just watched.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo (1986/2010)
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 1:49 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I learned to sail and race by taking a college physical education class
> > over 50 years ago.  I've raced dinghies through keel boats, including
the
> > R22, and as skipper, have a few blue flags to show for it.
> >
> > I accept your challenge to match race R22's with the IMF and diamond
> board.
> >
> > I challenge you to produce the videos you said are so common
> demonstrating
> > using the traveller on small sloops to dump wind during gusts
> > that overpower while close hauled.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 2:44 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > We were having a discussion of mainsail trim and traveler use in heavy
> > air
> > > wherein the rig needs to be depowered in gusts and then quickly
brought
> > > back on line after the gust has passed.  Mainsail shape for <= 10
knots
> > is
> > > considered light air and is a different subject.  As you noted, the
> > optimum
> > > light air mainsail shape is achieved with a different traveler car
> > position
> > > and mainsheet tension vs heavy air.  In light air, it is also much
less
> > > likely the rig will need to be depowered as per the original
> discussion.
> > >
> > > It is beyond the scope of my job description to give tutorials on sail
> > > trim in all possible conditions. I suggest you take a class or go
> racing.
> > >
> > > Stan,
> > >
> > > I give up!  I've tried to explain the merits of your GBI 29 Traveler
to
> > > the best of my ability.  But, it's not working.  If you want to jump
> into
> > > this discussion, go ahead.  But, I'm done.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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