From lgioia at yahoo.com Sat May 1 00:02:17 2021 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 00:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dockage Fees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F189F44-9ECE-49D7-AA66-10F1E8C0320E@yahoo.com> Wouldn?t it be cheaper to just keep it on a Triad trailer? I?d keep an eye on the tongue weight. Larry ?14 R22 Language of Love ?86 R22 still unnamed (LOL II?) > On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Michael Corley wrote: > > ?I don't feel so bad about my marina fees now after seeing the contract > below for dockage of the old Ex-Enterprise. Assuming it is a yearly > contract that is about $627,513 per month or about $660 per foot at 950 > ft. > > "Huntington Ingalls Inc., Newport News Shipbuilding, Newport News, > Virginia, is awarded a $7,530,161 cost-plus-fixed-fee modification to > previously-awarded contract N00024-13-C-2112 for continued storage of > EX-USS Enterprise (EX-CVN 65) at Huntington Ingalls Inc., Newport News > Shipbuilding. Work will be performed in Newport News, Virginia, and is > expected to be completed by September 2021." > > Mike Corley > s/v Ranger > Hampton Roads From cjlowe at sssnet.com Sat May 1 01:17:24 2021 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . Jerry Lowe Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer???is that > correct? > > Michael McKay > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> >> ???Makes sense. Thanks! >> >> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>> >>> Mitch, >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>> >>> Jerry Lowe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If that???s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>> stopper? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ???I???ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ???bow bumper???. >>>>> I???ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>> still >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled >>>>> out >>>>> of the water, the space between the ???bow bumper??? and the boat >>>>> will >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving >>>>> the ???bow bumper??? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>> the >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep >>>>>> it >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>> water, >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>> It???s >>>>>> tricky, and I???ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> Charles >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > From sea20 at verizon.net Sat May 1 12:36:12 2021 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 12:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I met Stan I was so impressed, particularly with his ability to make you feel welcome and comfortable. Class in it?s truest form. And the boat I bought from him was launched a few days ago. She was very forgiving of my novice ability, and my jaw was sore from smiling. Thanks Stan, Scott Andrews 86? Rhodes 22 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?I spent a great morning with Stan a week ago. What a joy. We are so lucky > to have Stan around. Stan would consider it lucky too. Best to you Stan. > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > >> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:55 PM Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >> In fact it was just on Wednesday of this week that Stan told me that >> engaging (literally) story of his early sailing date with Rose, after he, >> in the manner of the engineer that he was and is, had determined that she >> checked all the boxes on his engineer?s checklist for a first mate, save a >> commitment to sailing. After that maiden voyage, she checked off that one, >> too, and the rest is history. A beautiful, long-enduring history. >> >> If any of you are lucky enough to find yourself in Edenton, NC, one >> afternoon and Stan says he?s available for a visit, there are many more >> stories he can tell, all captivating. Besides, Edenton is a charming >> town. >> >> Frank >> >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>> Stan you should wright the story of your early date ,sailing adventure >> with Rose. Connie and I liked hearing you tell it . I imagine it would be >> in style of Hemmingway crossed with Mel Brooks .Or your life story The >> First 100 Years >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Garrant >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sorry >>> >>> Stan, >>> I appreciate all of your emails and insights as crafty word smithing. >>> Please carry on with fair seas and a following breeze, though a breeze >>> slightly off the beam is more my style. >>> Bob >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jerry Thompson >> wrote: >>> >>>> I totally agree Frank. Stan is the Samual Clemens of copy in my >> opinion. >>>> >>>> Jerry >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:25 AM Frank Goldsmith >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I, for one, never mind getting a cleverly crafted Stan-ism in my >> mailbox. >>>>> No apology needed. >>>>> >>>>> Frank >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:21 AM, stan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I see that I am even older than I admit to. I meant my email to >> Eric >>>>> to only be going to Eric. All others forgetaboutit. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> stan >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> From liznray15 at gmail.com Sat May 1 15:47:06 2021 From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 15:47:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale Message-ID: She is equipped for day sail, cruising, or travel. Boom Room, ST2000 tiller pilot, Sea Talk hand held autopilot, Capitan's Chairs, GB Certificate of Support, Triad Trailer, and many more items. Email liznray15 at gmail.com for inventory list. $21,000 From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat May 1 15:53:19 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 15:53:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72E352BC-B170-434A-B7D2-F573609DE7C4@sunnybeeches.com> Just a small point? Unless I?ve totally misunderstood the program, the GB Certificate of Support is not transferable, Every owner has to buy their own. That?s kind of the point. Good luck with your sale. ?Peter > On May 1, 2021, at 3:47 PM, Liz and Ray wrote: > > She is equipped for day sail, cruising, or travel. Boom Room, ST2000 tiller > pilot, > Sea Talk hand held autopilot, Capitan's Chairs, GB Certificate of Support, > Triad Trailer, and many more items. Email liznray15 at gmail.com for inventory > list. > $21,000 From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat May 1 18:10:24 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 18:10:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: <72E352BC-B170-434A-B7D2-F573609DE7C4@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Not to mention that the COS is now called the ROC (Rhodes Owner's Cooperative (www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html).Mikes/v Windlass ('91)?Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 5/1/21 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale Just a small point?Unless I?ve totally misunderstood the program, the GB Certificate of Support is not transferable,? Every owner has to buy their own.? That?s kind of the point.Good luck with your sale.?Peter> On May 1, 2021, at 3:47 PM, Liz and Ray wrote:> > She is equipped for day sail, cruising, or travel. Boom Room, ST2000 tiller> pilot,> Sea Talk hand held autopilot, Capitan's Chairs, GB Certificate of Support,> Triad Trailer, and many more items. Email liznray15 at gmail.com for inventory> list.> $21,000 From zooba72 at hotmail.com Sun May 2 00:28:35 2021 From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (JimIggy) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 21:28:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Message-ID: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed by one of the trailer rollers. The line that controls the centerboard looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these common sources for leaks ? Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, I just see foam. Is that normal ? Behind the access panel (old table mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or something covering that to prevent clogs. I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics Thank you in advance. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tavares0947 at gmail.com Sun May 2 07:56:47 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:56:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jim, everything looks normal. The trunk cover in the cabin is how you would access the centerboard for line replacement. That cover can be a source of leaks but it is not a common leak point. Todd T On Sun, May 2, 2021, 12:28 AM JimIggy wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing > the > condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been > sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in > descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is > currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the > cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable > to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed > by one of the trailer rollers. The line that controls the centerboard > looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to > replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these > common sources for leaks ? > > Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the > table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, > I just see foam. Is that normal ? Behind the access panel (old table > mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached > that > runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal > and > that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or > something covering that to prevent clogs. > > I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related > PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there > is > a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any > information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 2 08:54:27 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 12:54:27 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I added my replies in red to your original post. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JimIggy Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:28 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed by one of the trailer rollers. Yes, the line is called the ?centerboard pennant?. The line that controls the centerboard looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these common sources for leaks ? The centerboard hangs down ~3 ft below the keel when it is lowered. If the trailer didn?t hold it up, it would drag on the road! In addition, when retrieving the boat onto the trailer, it is very helpful to leave the centerboard down about a foot. The centerboard will engage with the trailer keel rollers, thus helping to center the boat on the trailer. The trailer rollers will cause the centerboard to retract at the appropriate point in the retrieval operation as the boat comes up onto the trailer. It?s very slick! The centerboard pennant runs in a block on the trailing edge of the center- board. The run is very fair and the pennant is protected from the elements by the centerboard well. Inspect the part of the pennant that you can see. As long as it?s not fraying, it?s very unlikely the unseen part of the pennant has an issue. I would try launching the boat and lowering the centerboard to see whether it operates smoothly before I just replaced it. When the centerboard is lowered, you should dive under the boat and check the side-to-side play in the centerboard. Excess side-to-side play indicates a worn centerboard pivot. Fixing this issue will require removing the centerboard. Replacing the pennant or removing the center- board involves removing about 24 screws on the cap to gain access to the centerboard well. There should be a gasket; but, on some boats, the cap may be sealed with silicone RTV. Whether your boat has a gasket or silicone RTV, it is very important you get the cap sealed when you put it back together. This cap is below the waterline and you will get a leak into the bilge if it?s not properly sealed. It?s enough of a royal PITA; that, I wouldn?t mess with it unless I had more evidence. Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, I just see foam. Is that normal ? Yes, there is floatation foam under the cockpit and that inspection port is located where there should be a table mount. Behind the access panel (old table mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or something covering that to prevent clogs. NO! You don?t want a screen or anything else that might get clogged and slow down the cockpit drain. I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics Thank you in advance. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Sun May 2 09:31:08 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 09:31:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights Problem Message-ID: Dear All, I wonder if anyone has a suggestion on how to deal with my inoperable navigation lights. This is my newly acquitted 1990 Rhodes 22 (refurbed in 2016). It has the electric panel above the galley counter and it is a larger panel than my previous Rhodes. The previous owner said the nav lights stopped working last season after he had the panel opened up. He thought a wire had broken or come loose. Sure enough, there is a broken wire connector on the 3rd position breaker which is marked nav lights. After pulling the panel out twice, including removing the side panel yesterday for a better view, I cannot find the broken piece of wire to reattach! I cannot imagine where that wire is or has gone. There are still 2 black wires connected to that breaker but none of the 3 nav lights work. Any suggestions? *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *s/v Carol Lee 2 (for sale)* *Needham, MA* From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun May 2 13:02:53 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 13:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <011801d73f74$fed7a2e0$fc86e8a0$@ca> Welcome to the list and Rhodes ownership. Your boat looks great. Problems with the centerboard leakage can develop but I would not start taking the cap off unless you have actually identified problems. There is a very good likelihood that everything is fine and removing the cap is a PITA that you want to avoid until it is clearly necessary. Put the boat in the water and check the bilge for any leaks. If there are no leaks just go sailing. The weight of the centerboard on the tether is only about 45 lbs so unless the line is seriously worn it is very unlikely that it will break in normal use. The roller on the trailer is intended to hold the centerboard in place. When on the trailer I like to tension the painter a bit to stabilize the centerboard but not lift it off the roller. The boat is built with positive flotation under the V-birth and under the cockpit sole. It is comforting to have a boat that won't sink. The inspection cover in the cockpit was added by a previous owner for reasons only he would know. He put the inspection port where there was a mounting bracket for the table pedestal. It would be identical to the one in the cabin floor. The intention was to allow you to use the table in the cockpit when not sailing. I found that I didn't use mine and the floor mount was a nuisance at times so when I rebuilt my boat I filled the screw holes and left it off. Now that the section of the floor has been removed, you would have to rebuild the sole before one could be installed and I doubt that would be worth the trouble. Make sure the inspection port is water tight. These things come in two types, inspection ports and deck plates, which look identical in pictures. As the names imply deck plates are much stronger, form a better seal are intended for situations like yours where there is an opening in the deck. An inspection port is light duty and intended for interior or vertical surfaces. It is also a lot cheaper so it would not be surprising to see an inspection ports where a deck plates would be more appropriate. If yours is just an inspection plate I would keep an eye on it and if there is any indication of leaking replace it with a deck plate. The drain in the cockpit floor allows water that might come into the cockpit to drain quickly for obvious reasons. A screen would only collect debris and slow the drain. Leave it open and unobstructed. You might also check the other drains to make sure they are clear especially if they are only 1/2 inch drains. Don't worry about asking questions. It is much better to ask a stupid question than to make a stupid mistake. We have all done that on multiple occasions and know that can be costly. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of JimIggy Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:29 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed by one of the trailer rollers. The line that controls the centerboard looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these common sources for leaks ? Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, I just see foam. Is that normal ? Behind the access panel (old table mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or something covering that to prevent clogs. I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics Thank you in advance. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 2 15:58:25 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 19:58:25 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stephan, Usually, when several things on the same circuit don?t work, the cause is either a bad +12 VDC feed to the breaker, bad breaker, or bad ground. I suspect the ?loose/missing wire? you mentioned was the +12 VDC feed to that circuit breaker. Try hot wiring a known +12 VDC to the input side of the breaker. If the nav lights come on; then, your missing wire is the problem. If the nav lights don?t come on; then, you may have a bad breaker. Try hot wiring +12 VDC to the output side of the breaker. If the nav lights come on; then, you have a bad breaker. If the nav lights still don?t come on; then, you probably have a bad ground. Find the ground bus bar and see if any of the connections are bad and check continuity to the -12 VDC side of the battery. One of these will almost certainly solve your problem. If I were a betting man, I?d bet on a missing 12 VDC feed to the breaker. Good Luck! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Stephen Staum Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:31 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights Problem Dear All, I wonder if anyone has a suggestion on how to deal with my inoperable navigation lights. This is my newly acquitted 1990 Rhodes 22 (refurbed in 2016). It has the electric panel above the galley counter and it is a larger panel than my previous Rhodes. The previous owner said the nav lights stopped working last season after he had the panel opened up. He thought a wire had broken or come loose. Sure enough, there is a broken wire connector on the 3rd position breaker which is marked nav lights. After pulling the panel out twice, including removing the side panel yesterday for a better view, I cannot find the broken piece of wire to reattach! I cannot imagine where that wire is or has gone. There are still 2 black wires connected to that breaker but none of the 3 nav lights work. Any suggestions? *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *s/v Carol Lee 2 (for sale)* *Needham, MA* From zooba72 at hotmail.com Sun May 2 22:55:05 2021 From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (JimIggy) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 19:55:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620010505073-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I really appreciate everyone taking the time to answer my questions. The information provided is very helpful. Thank you very much ! -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon May 3 00:04:59 2021 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1620010505073-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620010505073-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50875.24.140.30.102.1620014699.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I would suggest taking the boat to a small lake and launch it with the mast down and the bilge access uncovered. Just motor around for an hour or two, checking the bilge and checking the hoses in the lazerette for leaks. If no water intrusion, rig and enjoy your new toy. Rookie tip... make sure the center board pendent is cleated before launch, or there is a real good chance you will get to visit that center board rebuild. Jerry Lowe I really appreciate everyone taking the time to answer my questions. The > information provided is very helpful. > > Thank you very much ! > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 3 09:26:26 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 13:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Roger, I'm not seeing your replies to Jim's post?? - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 8:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hi Jim, I added my replies in red to your original post. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JimIggy Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:28 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed by one of the trailer rollers. Yes, the line is called the ?centerboard pennant?. The line that controls the centerboard looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these common sources for leaks ? The centerboard hangs down ~3 ft below the keel when it is lowered. If the trailer didn?t hold it up, it would drag on the road! In addition, when retrieving the boat onto the trailer, it is very helpful to leave the centerboard down about a foot. The centerboard will engage with the trailer keel rollers, thus helping to center the boat on the trailer. The trailer rollers will cause the centerboard to retract at the appropriate point in the retrieval operation as the boat comes up onto the trailer. It?s very slick! The centerboard pennant runs in a block on the trailing edge of the center- board. The run is very fair and the pennant is protected from the elements by the centerboard well. Inspect the part of the pennant that you can see. As long as it?s not fraying, it?s very unlikely the unseen part of the pennant has an issue. I would try launching the boat and lowering the centerboard to see whether it operates smoothly before I just replaced it. When the centerboard is lowered, you should dive under the boat and check the side-to-side play in the centerboard. Excess side-to-side play indicates a worn centerboard pivot. Fixing this issue will require removing the centerboard. Replacing the pennant or removing the center- board involves removing about 24 screws on the cap to gain access to the centerboard well. There should be a gasket; but, on some boats, the cap may be sealed with silicone RTV. Whether your boat has a gasket or silicone RTV, it is very important you get the cap sealed when you put it back together. This cap is below the waterline and you will get a leak into the bilge if it?s not properly sealed. It?s enough of a royal PITA; that, I wouldn?t mess with it unless I had more evidence. Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, I just see foam. Is that normal ? Yes, there is floatation foam under the cockpit and that inspection port is located where there should be a table mount. Behind the access panel (old table mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or something covering that to prevent clogs. NO! You don?t want a screen or anything else that might get clogged and slow down the cockpit drain. I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics Thank you in advance. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 3 09:30:23 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 13:30:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, , Message-ID: I'm sorry Roger. Your replies are there, i was just looking for red and the color formatting got stripped out. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:26 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Roger, I'm not seeing your replies to Jim's post?? - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 8:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hi Jim, I added my replies in red to your original post. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JimIggy Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:28 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed by one of the trailer rollers. Yes, the line is called the ?centerboard pennant?. The line that controls the centerboard looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these common sources for leaks ? The centerboard hangs down ~3 ft below the keel when it is lowered. If the trailer didn?t hold it up, it would drag on the road! In addition, when retrieving the boat onto the trailer, it is very helpful to leave the centerboard down about a foot. The centerboard will engage with the trailer keel rollers, thus helping to center the boat on the trailer. The trailer rollers will cause the centerboard to retract at the appropriate point in the retrieval operation as the boat comes up onto the trailer. It?s very slick! The centerboard pennant runs in a block on the trailing edge of the center- board. The run is very fair and the pennant is protected from the elements by the centerboard well. Inspect the part of the pennant that you can see. As long as it?s not fraying, it?s very unlikely the unseen part of the pennant has an issue. I would try launching the boat and lowering the centerboard to see whether it operates smoothly before I just replaced it. When the centerboard is lowered, you should dive under the boat and check the side-to-side play in the centerboard. Excess side-to-side play indicates a worn centerboard pivot. Fixing this issue will require removing the centerboard. Replacing the pennant or removing the center- board involves removing about 24 screws on the cap to gain access to the centerboard well. There should be a gasket; but, on some boats, the cap may be sealed with silicone RTV. Whether your boat has a gasket or silicone RTV, it is very important you get the cap sealed when you put it back together. This cap is below the waterline and you will get a leak into the bilge if it?s not properly sealed. It?s enough of a royal PITA; that, I wouldn?t mess with it unless I had more evidence. Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, I just see foam. Is that normal ? Yes, there is floatation foam under the cockpit and that inspection port is located where there should be a table mount. Behind the access panel (old table mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or something covering that to prevent clogs. NO! You don?t want a screen or anything else that might get clogged and slow down the cockpit drain. I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics Thank you in advance. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon May 3 10:01:18 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 14:01:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, , Message-ID: Rob, It looks like the server stripped out my bold red text replies and substituted plain text. My replies are mixed in with the original post; but, not highlighted in any way. It certainly makes it hard to read. I won?t try that again! It?s kind of a shame because I?ve found responding to multiple questions in a different color in the same document is very easy and effective. But, apparently our server doesn?t support it. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 3, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Roger, > I'm not seeing your replies to Jim's post?? - Rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 8:54 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hi Jim, > > I added my replies in red to your original post. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: JimIggy > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:28 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hello Everyone, > > I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing the > condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been > sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in > descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is > currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the > cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m unable > to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being obstructed > by one of the trailer rollers. Yes, the line is called the ?centerboard pennant?. > The line that controls the centerboard > looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin to > replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these > common sources for leaks ? The centerboard hangs down ~3 ft below the keel > when it is lowered. If the trailer didn?t hold it up, it would drag on the road! > In addition, when retrieving the boat onto the trailer, it is very helpful to leave > the centerboard down about a foot. The centerboard will engage with the > trailer keel rollers, thus helping to center the boat on the trailer. The trailer > rollers will cause the centerboard to retract at the appropriate point in the > retrieval operation as the boat comes up onto the trailer. It?s very slick! > The centerboard pennant runs in a block on the trailing edge of the center- > board. The run is very fair and the pennant is protected from the elements by the > centerboard well. Inspect the part of the pennant that you can see. As long > as it?s not fraying, it?s very unlikely the unseen part of the pennant has an issue. > I would try launching the boat and lowering the centerboard to see whether it > operates smoothly before I just replaced it. When the centerboard is lowered, > you should dive under the boat and check the side-to-side play in the centerboard. > Excess side-to-side play indicates a worn centerboard pivot. Fixing this issue will > require removing the centerboard. Replacing the pennant or removing the center- > board involves removing about 24 screws on the cap to gain access to the > centerboard well. There should be a gasket; but, on some boats, the cap may be > sealed with silicone RTV. Whether your boat has a gasket or silicone RTV, it is very > important you get the cap sealed when you put it back together. This cap is below > the waterline and you will get a leak into the bilge if it?s not properly sealed. It?s > enough of a royal PITA; that, I wouldn?t mess with it unless I had more evidence. > > Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that the > table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open that, > I just see foam. Is that normal ? Yes, there is floatation foam under the cockpit > and that inspection port is located where there should be a table mount. > Behind the access panel (old table > mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached that > runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal and > that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or > something covering that to prevent clogs. NO! You don?t want a screen or anything > else that might get clogged and slow down the cockpit drain. > > I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related > PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if there is > a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any > information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From koatimundi100 at gmail.com Mon May 3 10:15:29 2021 From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 10:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Joining the Stan Spitzer Chorus Message-ID: Hi Stan? Just chitchat but sending via the list in case any Rhodes have info or advice about electric outboards. Great to see all the news and praise of Stan. Aeolia is NOT for sale, but I?ll certainly want you to sell her when she is. Say sometime after 2031. She?s been on her trailer for a few years, alas, because I had to rebuild my seawall (which meant building a new one around the old one) and that meant pulling the dock. I learned the seawall was leaking soil into the canal because my pool was sinking and cracked?it had cracked once before, something the grifters I bought the house from didn?t reveal. As you know?it was your advice?Aeolia doesn?t have bottom paint. In Florida stuff starts growing on the bottom in about 5 days. Had I foreseen it would take me this long to recover from pool & seawall expenses, I?d have added bottom paint and rented a slip. The good news is a new dock & lift go in later this year. Many more $$$$$, because I?m also accommodating a power pocket cruiser on a lift. Yup, my personality has split after nearly 8 decades and 1/2 is going over the the dark side. I?m committed to electric propulsion and currently lean toward the C-Dory TomCat, a 25.5? outboard-powered catamaran. Problem is finding and outboard (the TomCat takes 2, usually 120hp ea) with enough hp. Chris G just alerted me to a new one made in Norway by Evoy. Not yet on the market, but I?ll wait. I?m also going to get rid of the troublesome Merc BigFoot on Aeolia and get the Tohatsu 9.9-equivalent electric. Jeepers, I hope I don?t have to sell my dogs to pay for all this. Would love to drive by and catch-up. If I?m anywhere near Edenton, I certainly will. Meanwhile, stay as young and healthy as you are?we all need you! Peter S/V Aeolia (2012) -- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<* *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* From snstaum at gmail.com Mon May 3 10:18:07 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 10:18:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, The missing wire is on the right side of the block where most of the wires are black. I will check with a meter which is the hot side. Stay tuned & thanks for your help. Stephen On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 3:58 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Stephan, > > Usually, when several things on the same circuit don?t work, the cause is > either a bad +12 VDC feed to the breaker, bad breaker, or bad ground. I > suspect the ?loose/missing wire? you mentioned was the +12 VDC feed to that > circuit breaker. Try hot wiring a known +12 VDC to the input side of the > breaker. If the nav lights come on; then, your missing wire is the > problem. If the nav lights don?t come on; then, you may have a bad > breaker. Try hot wiring +12 VDC to the output side of the breaker. If the > nav lights come on; then, you have a bad breaker. If the nav lights still > don?t come on; then, you probably have a bad ground. Find the ground bus > bar and see if any of the connections are bad and check continuity to the > -12 VDC side of the battery. One of these will almost certainly solve your > problem. If I were a betting man, I?d bet on a missing 12 VDC feed to the > breaker. Good Luck! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Stephen Staum > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:31 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights Problem > > Dear All, > > I wonder if anyone has a suggestion on how to deal with my inoperable > navigation lights. This is my newly acquitted 1990 Rhodes 22 (refurbed in > 2016). It has the electric panel above the galley counter and it is a > larger panel than my previous Rhodes. The previous owner said the nav > lights stopped working last season after he had the panel opened up. He > thought a wire had broken or come loose. Sure enough, there is a broken > wire connector on the 3rd position breaker which is marked nav lights. > After pulling the panel out twice, including removing the side panel > yesterday for a better view, I cannot find the broken piece of wire to > reattach! I cannot imagine where that wire is or has gone. There are > still 2 black wires connected to that breaker but none of the 3 nav lights > work. > > Any suggestions? > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Pinafore* > *s/v Carol Lee 2 (for sale)* > > *Needham, MA* > > -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon May 3 11:30:29 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:30:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I see Rogers reply in black to the quoted email text in red... Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, May 3, 2021, 10:01 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Rob, > > It looks like the server stripped out my bold red text replies and > substituted plain text. My replies are mixed in with the original post; > but, not highlighted in any way. It certainly makes it hard to read. I > won?t try that again! It?s kind of a shame because I?ve found responding > to multiple questions in a different color in the same document is very > easy and effective. But, apparently our server doesn?t support it. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 3, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Roger, > > I'm not seeing your replies to Jim's post?? - Rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 8:54 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I added my replies in red to your original post. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: JimIggy > > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:28 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, and I?m in the process of assessing > the > > condition and identifying requirements for launching. The boat has been > > sitting for about 8 years ? It was shrink wrapped and appears to be in > > descent condition. The boat is on a trailer, and my centerboard is > > currently retracted. From the cockpit, there is a line in front of the > > cabin entrance that I?m assuming raises and lowers the board. I?m > unable > > to verify this because it appears that the centerboard is being > obstructed > > by one of the trailer rollers. Yes, the line is called the ?centerboard > pennant?. > > The line that controls the centerboard > > looks kind of old, but I?m not sure whether I should dismantle the cabin > to > > replace it ? My primary concern is the cap seal and gasket. Are these > > common sources for leaks ? The centerboard hangs down ~3 ft below the > keel > > when it is lowered. If the trailer didn?t hold it up, it would drag on > the road! > > In addition, when retrieving the boat onto the trailer, it is very > helpful to leave > > the centerboard down about a foot. The centerboard will engage with the > > trailer keel rollers, thus helping to center the boat on the trailer. > The trailer > > rollers will cause the centerboard to retract at the appropriate point > in the > > retrieval operation as the boat comes up onto the trailer. It?s very > slick! > > The centerboard pennant runs in a block on the trailing edge of the > center- > > board. The run is very fair and the pennant is protected from the > elements by the > > centerboard well. Inspect the part of the pennant that you can see. As > long > > as it?s not fraying, it?s very unlikely the unseen part of the pennant > has an issue. > > I would try launching the boat and lowering the centerboard to see > whether it > > operates smoothly before I just replaced it. When the centerboard is > lowered, > > you should dive under the boat and check the side-to-side play in the > centerboard. > > Excess side-to-side play indicates a worn centerboard pivot. Fixing > this issue will > > require removing the centerboard. Replacing the pennant or removing the > center- > > board involves removing about 24 screws on the cap to gain access to the > > centerboard well. There should be a gasket; but, on some boats, the cap > may be > > sealed with silicone RTV. Whether your boat has a gasket or silicone > RTV, it is very > > important you get the cap sealed when you put it back together. This > cap is below > > the waterline and you will get a leak into the bilge if it?s not > properly sealed. It?s > > enough of a royal PITA; that, I wouldn?t mess with it unless I had more > evidence. > > > > Another question if someone has time - In the cockpit, it appears that > the > > table mount has been replaced with a round access hatch. When I open > that, > > I just see foam. Is that normal ? Yes, there is floatation foam > under the cockpit > > and that inspection port is located where there should be a table mount. > > Behind the access panel (old table > > mount), in the rear of the cockpit is a drain which has a hose attached > that > > runs out the bottom of the boat. I just want confirmation that?s normal > and > > that I?m not missing any parts ? I would think I would want a screen or > > something covering that to prevent clogs. NO! You don?t want a screen > or anything > > else that might get clogged and slow down the cockpit drain. > > > > I?ve got a ton of questions - I?ve downloaded every Rhodes related > > PDF/Document that I can find on the Internet. Does anyone know if > there is > > a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any > > information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon May 3 13:39:06 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The list is plain text In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <585A80A8-032E-4C31-A131-1EBF34FA28A0@sunnybeeches.com> I?m not sure what Todd is seeing or why, but the list software stores and send emails in plain text It?s always been this way, with the possible exception of very early days back in 2002. If you look at the source for the web page for Roger?s post (http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-May/087903.html), you can see that in the message itself, while there is some escaping of special characters going on (e.g. apostrophes are escaped to '’?), there?s no html, and therefor no way to support formatting like bold text or colors. But, the message is within
html tags, so spaces, tabs, and new-lines should be preserved from the original. Different email client applications may handle quoted text differently, which may explain why Todd is seeing quoted text in red. While on the subject of email clients, they also may their own decisions about what constitutes a ?thread?. I?ve created this post as a reply to Todd, but I?ve changed the subject. I?m pretty sure that Mailman will consider this a continuation of the ?Centerboard Question? thread, while my email client will consider it the start of a new thread. So, what I see as an email thread on my computer may look different on yours. ?Peter > On May 3, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > I see Rogers reply in black to the quoted email text in red... > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon May 3 15:15:12 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 12:15:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620069312371-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Jim, I didn't bother reading all of the other replies. If your problem has been solved, then you can stop reading now. I replaced my Centerboard gasket, pendant and blocks a couple of years ago. The flooring comes up quite easlily but it's helpful to remove the settee at the same time. Depending on condition, plan on replacing the sub-floor. I found that it was not marine grade and there was considerable mold and rot. If you do replace, I'd advise getting a good soaking of wood preservative on it before replacing. I purchased a gasket from the GBI plant. Stan will sell you one for about $100. It is neoprene rubber. It will need to be cut and you have your old one for a template. The key here are the hole locations. There are over 50 and they MUST be correct to line up with the FG flange on the CB trunk so you don't end up with any buckling of the gasket. If you're not comfortable doing it yourself (which I wasn't) and you are in the southern Virginia-Carolina area, take your Rhodes to the plant and have them install the gasket. (Email Stan first: stan at generalboats.com for an appointment) They will do it correctly. If you're in the DC/Maryland/Virginia area, Voilier Yachts specializes in Rhodes. Contact Chris Cowie ccowie at voilieryachts.com (he's on the List). The pendant for the CB is fairly easy as well. In my case, I just had Voilier do it at the same time as they cut out the gasket. I installed the new gasket but found that somewhere along the line, and you will find this alot, a previous owner had skimped on the hardware. Plan now to purchase 316 grade stainless bolts, fender washers and lock nuts. Best source is McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com. You will need two fender washers for each bolt, one for either side of gasket/flange sandwich. These are a pain in the ass to install, especially if your joints don't work as good as they used to! I have big hands so getting underneath the flange to hold the lock nuts while starting the threads was the hard part. Do not tighten down real hard. Make them all good and snug but not full tight. The following is the article I wrote (which I try to do after each of my Rhodes projects). The photos would not transfer over so I cut and pasted the text. REPLACING CENTERBOARD GASKET AND PENDANT Needless to say, with the sole and sub-floor removed it was a good time to inspect the centerboard (CB) trunk. I had suspected the gasket as a source for much of the water and dampness in the bilge. Removing the CB Cover and Gasket is fairly easy. General Boats specification calls for a ?? x 1-1/4? -20 316 Stainless Steel Hex Bolt, locknut and 2 fender washers for each of 50+ holes. A previous owner had omitted the 100 fender washers. The gasket showed considerable dry rot and a hole in the middle of the gasket about 1? from the forward end of the cap. (Seen in the circular shaped stain in the top right photo). There were rust stains around most of the screws, so they may not have been 316 Stainless. To my amazement, I found that the SS fasteners that West Marine sells are 8-18 grade. They are really unsuitable for the marine environment. For a few cents more, you can get 316 grade if you look for it. I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. Upon removing the CB Cover. Remove the pendant tube and clamp. Lift the CB Cover and lay it upside down and take a photo of the pendant routing for reference when re-assembling. ?Respite?s? CB is the original design (same shape as rudder) and originally was configured with the 4 block lift mechanism. It was changed at some point to a single mini-block on the CB routed directly from the forward bale in the raised portion of the CB Cover, through the block to the 1? rod in the aft of the cover and through the hole leading to the pendant tube to the cockpit. (See Sketch). Whoever did this conversion did a pretty sloppy job leaving two of the original mini blocks in a cluster at the bale where the pendant is tied off. The pendant was in good shape but configuration of the pulley system had been changed, most likely during ?recycling? by General Boat. One of the original two mini blocks on the trailing edge of the CB had been eliminated and both of the two blocks in the trunk cap had been eliminated (although they were still present) I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, a Rhodie at VoilierYachts in White Plains, MD. I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse. I tightened the hex screws good and snug taking care not to over tighten. Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop! This is a good time to paint your bilge. I did so with Petit Bilge Paint. Be sure to completely clean, scrub and rub down the bilge with the solvent recommended by Petit. I used two coats allowing to dry according to the instructions. I hope this will help you. The Rhodes is a great boat and there are many, many great sources of information. You should contact Stan Spitzer at GBI and inquire about the Owner's Co-Op Program: http://www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html . He gets prickley if you didn't buy the boat from him, so you'll need to be in the program to get "factory support". Good luck. PS: It is helpful to List readers if members include a signature with Name, Location, Vessel Name and year(s). ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon May 3 15:26:48 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 12:26:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1620070008275-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Do we know who's selling? Vessel's name? ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ews1esq at yahoo.com Mon May 3 19:52:22 2021 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 19:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: <1620070008275-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620070008275-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, if you are potential buyer, you may contact me at 973 978 7994. I can fill you I on all details. Boat was factory renovated twice by General Boats in 2004 and again in 2016. Eric Smith Sent from my iPhone > On May 3, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > ?Do we know who's selling? Vessel's name? > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon May 3 22:00:42 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 22:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1620069312371-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620069312371-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01c101d74089$4b5d4560$e217d020$@ca> I found that when reinstalling the centerboard cap with bolts it is much easier to install the bolts from the bottom up and with the nuts on top. Make sure the bolts are not to long and will be cleared by the floor boards. You can hold the head of the bolt with a wrench and drive the nuts down from above with an electric screwdriver. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 3:15 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Jim, I didn't bother reading all of the other replies. If your problem has been solved, then you can stop reading now. I replaced my Centerboard gasket, pendant and blocks a couple of years ago. The flooring comes up quite easlily but it's helpful to remove the settee at the same time. Depending on condition, plan on replacing the sub-floor. I found that it was not marine grade and there was considerable mold and rot. If you do replace, I'd advise getting a good soaking of wood preservative on it before replacing. I purchased a gasket from the GBI plant. Stan will sell you one for about $100. It is neoprene rubber. It will need to be cut and you have your old one for a template. The key here are the hole locations. There are over 50 and they MUST be correct to line up with the FG flange on the CB trunk so you don't end up with any buckling of the gasket. If you're not comfortable doing it yourself (which I wasn't) and you are in the southern Virginia-Carolina area, take your Rhodes to the plant and have them install the gasket. (Email Stan first: stan at generalboats.com for an appointment) They will do it correctly. If you're in the DC/Maryland/Virginia area, Voilier Yachts specializes in Rhodes. Contact Chris Cowie ccowie at voilieryachts.com (he's on the List). The pendant for the CB is fairly easy as well. In my case, I just had Voilier do it at the same time as they cut out the gasket. I installed the new gasket but found that somewhere along the line, and you will find this alot, a previous owner had skimped on the hardware. Plan now to purchase 316 grade stainless bolts, fender washers and lock nuts. Best source is McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com. You will need two fender washers for each bolt, one for either side of gasket/flange sandwich. These are a pain in the ass to install, especially if your joints don't work as good as they used to! I have big hands so getting underneath the flange to hold the lock nuts while starting the threads was the hard part. Do not tighten down real hard. Make them all good and snug but not full tight. The following is the article I wrote (which I try to do after each of my Rhodes projects). The photos would not transfer over so I cut and pasted the text. REPLACING CENTERBOARD GASKET AND PENDANT Needless to say, with the sole and sub-floor removed it was a good time to inspect the centerboard (CB) trunk. I had suspected the gasket as a source for much of the water and dampness in the bilge. Removing the CB Cover and Gasket is fairly easy. General Boats specification calls for a ?? x 1-1/4? -20 316 Stainless Steel Hex Bolt, locknut and 2 fender washers for each of 50+ holes. A previous owner had omitted the 100 fender washers. The gasket showed considerable dry rot and a hole in the middle of the gasket about 1? from the forward end of the cap. (Seen in the circular shaped stain in the top right photo). There were rust stains around most of the screws, so they may not have been 316 Stainless. To my amazement, I found that the SS fasteners that West Marine sells are 8-18 grade. They are really unsuitable for the marine environment. For a few cents more, you can get 316 grade if you look for it. I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. Upon removing the CB Cover. Remove the pendant tube and clamp. Lift the CB Cover and lay it upside down and take a photo of the pendant routing for reference when re-assembling. ?Respite?s? CB is the original design (same shape as rudder) and originally was configured with the 4 block lift mechanism. It was changed at some point to a single mini-block on the CB routed directly from the forward bale in the raised portion of the CB Cover, through the block to the 1? rod in the aft of the cover and through the hole leading to the pendant tube to the cockpit. (See Sketch). Whoever did this conversion did a pretty sloppy job leaving two of the original mini blocks in a cluster at the bale where the pendant is tied off. The pendant was in good shape but configuration of the pulley system had been changed, most likely during ?recycling? by General Boat. One of the original two mini blocks on the trailing edge of the CB had been eliminated and both of the two blocks in the trunk cap had been eliminated (although they were still present) I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, a Rhodie at VoilierYachts in White Plains, MD. I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse. I tightened the hex screws good and snug taking care not to over tighten. Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop! This is a good time to paint your bilge. I did so with Petit Bilge Paint. Be sure to completely clean, scrub and rub down the bilge with the solvent recommended by Petit. I used two coats allowing to dry according to the instructions. I hope this will help you. The Rhodes is a great boat and there are many, many great sources of information. You should contact Stan Spitzer at GBI and inquire about the Owner's Co-Op Program: http://www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html . He gets prickley if you didn't buy the boat from him, so you'll need to be in the program to get "factory support". Good luck. PS: It is helpful to List readers if members include a signature with Name, Location, Vessel Name and year(s). ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tavares0947 at gmail.com Tue May 4 07:03:31 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 07:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The list is plain text In-Reply-To: <585A80A8-032E-4C31-A131-1EBF34FA28A0@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <585A80A8-032E-4C31-A131-1EBF34FA28A0@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, This is what I see on my phone through gmail (if it attaches) It appears as Roger inserted his answers into the quoted text of the other posters email. Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, May 3, 2021, 1:40 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > I?m not sure what Todd is seeing or why, but the list software stores and > send emails in plain text It?s always been this way, with the possible > exception of very early days back in 2002. > > If you look at the source for the web page for Roger?s post ( > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-May/087903.html), > you can see that in the message itself, while there is some escaping of > special characters going on (e.g. apostrophes are escaped to '’?), > there?s no html, and therefor no way to support formatting like bold text > or colors. But, the message is within
html tags, so spaces, > tabs, and new-lines should be preserved from the original. > > Different email client applications may handle quoted text differently, > which may explain why Todd is seeing quoted text in red. > > While on the subject of email clients, they also may their own decisions > about what constitutes a ?thread?. I?ve created this post as a reply to > Todd, but I?ve changed the subject. I?m pretty sure that Mailman will > consider this a continuation of the ?Centerboard Question? thread, while my > email client will consider it the start of a new thread. So, what I see as > an email thread on my computer may look different on yours. > > ?Peter > > > On May 3, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > I see Rogers reply in black to the quoted email text in red... > > > > Todd T. > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Sat, May 1, 2021, 6:10 PM Michael Weisner wrote: > Not to mention that the COS is now called the ROC (Rhodes Owner's > Cooperative (www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html).Mikes/v Windlass > ('91) Nissequogue River, NY > -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 5/1/21 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes > 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] > [rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale Just a small point?Unless I?ve > totally misunderstood the program, the GB Certificate of Support is not > transferable, Every owner has to buy their own. That?s kind of the > point.Good luck with your sale.?Peter> On May 1, 2021, at 3:47 PM, Liz and > Ray wrote:> > She is equipped for day sail, > cruising, or travel. Boom Room, ST2000 tiller> pilot,> Sea Talk hand held > autopilot, Capitan's Chairs, GB Certificate of Support,> Triad Trailer, and > many more items. Email liznray15 at gmail.com for inventory> list.> $21,000 > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue May 4 13:47:10 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 13:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000e01d7410d$8321f520$8965df60$@ebsmed.com> Jim, I have attached a link, from our archives, to a post that I added to "da list" in October 2019, including much of Chris Cowie's efforts to create a wiring diagram for the Rhodes 22. You may find it helpful at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.html Don't forget that the image links are at the end of the cited posting. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JimIggy Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:29 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hello Everyone, I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, ... {snip} ... Does anyone know if there is a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics From zooba72 at hotmail.com Fri May 7 15:22:44 2021 From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (JimIggy) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 12:22:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid doing anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, today I re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't draining properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around the Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in too ? This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might see a few drips -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tavares0947 at gmail.com Fri May 7 16:05:45 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 16:05:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jim, It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down through the centerboard pennant hole. Todd T. On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: > Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid doing > anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, today > I > re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't draining > properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around the > Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in > too > ? > > This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might see > a few drips > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 7 18:00:52 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 22:00:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Jim, I agree with Todd, it?s most likely just water draining from the cockpit seats thru the centerboard pennant hole. There are no nooks and crannies in the centerboard well. Thus, there is no place for water to accumulate in there to drain out when you shift the boat on the trailer. Likewise, if you had a crack in the centerboard, it?s very unlikely that shifting the boat on the trailer would cause water to dribble out. Let not your heart be troubled! Go sailing and be happy. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > ?Jim, > > It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down through > the centerboard pennant hole. > > Todd T. > >> On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: >> >> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid doing >> anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, today >> I >> re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't draining >> properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around the >> Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in >> too >> ? >> >> This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might see >> a few drips >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From retro53 at msn.com Fri May 7 21:53:59 2021 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 01:53:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, , Message-ID: Hi, Hate to throw water on anyone's' parade, but I had a similar issue, and it's not just water draining through the pennant hole in the cockpit. Each year that I have had the boat (4), about two inches of water accumulated in the bilge when the boat is in the water. I have installed two automatic bilge pumps on her, one under the raised head floor, and one in the lazarette. When I arrive, I would manually activate the forward one, and at different times, different amounts of water would emerge from the discharge (probably 0-5 gallons). The lazarette rarely had enough water in it to actually pump out - a sponge would do the trick. Over the ensuing years, while hoping it was rainwater, I pretty diligently searched for any likely entry pathways, both river and rain. All the usual suspects were checked, and any faults corrected: some leaky ports; put a gasket on the lazarette hatch; rebedded a few bits of hardware; tightened clamps on the cockpit drains; etc. Each fall the boat would be put on a trailer in a marina asphalt parking lot. All winter long, a drip of water would appear every few seconds at the front of the opening for the centerboard. (BTW, the boat was positioned stern down, so any water flowing into the pendant tube would not be flowing down the front of the centerboard trunk) When I crawled under the boat, things always looked ok, no cracks or holes, but the inside of the front of the trunk was always moist - even after months out of the water. However, this fall, I discovered a pretty sizable (6-8") crack in the front of the keel, running forward from the centerboard well. As I further examined it, I found that the area had sustained damage (hard grounding or hitting a submerged object?) previous to my ownership, and attempts had been made to repair the area with what appeared to be automotive body filler covered with some sort of rubbery material, then painted. In the spring, I decided to tackle this and worked from below and above. Inside the boat, I removed the floor in the cabin, and found several cracks in the top of the hull in front of the centerboard trunk. I decided not to remove the floor in the head area, but cut an 8" access port in it. In that area, aft of the concrete ballast, cracks were also seen. The wood stringers supporting the floor, as well as the bulkhead separating the main cabin from the forepeak were reinforced with pressure treated wood screwed and fiberglassed in place. The top of the inside of the hull where the cracks were was sanded and then covered with alternating layers of fiberglass mat & mesh. The same treatment was given to the entire area forward of and alongside the centerboard trunk up to the stringers on each side. Access was limited in the head area, and any crack that extended under the concrete ballast was inaccessible anyway, so I just ended up first pouring some fiberglass resin into the area, hoping that it may find its way into the cracks, then covering it up with some matting. Along the way, all of the centerboard trunk cover bolts were snugged up, and the pendant tube clamps replaced with new SS ones. Underneath the boat, I opened up the crack and drilled a shallow hole at the forward end of it to stop it from spreading. The entire area was then sanded, and repaired, again using layers of fiberglass mat and mesh. The repair area was then painted with an epoxy coat, then bottom paint. This spring, the boat was launched, and, while not completely dry, it seems to be much better, with just a little puddling visible in the bilge now. I can probably live with that in a 40-year-old boat, but will certainly keep an eye on things. Anyway, the point is that wishful thinking doesn't always pan out - it didn't for me. Best Regards, John Keyser 1980 R-22 "Deci-Belle" Philadelphia, Pa ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Jim, I agree with Todd, it?s most likely just water draining from the cockpit seats thru the centerboard pennant hole. There are no nooks and crannies in the centerboard well. Thus, there is no place for water to accumulate in there to drain out when you shift the boat on the trailer. Likewise, if you had a crack in the centerboard, it?s very unlikely that shifting the boat on the trailer would cause water to dribble out. Let not your heart be troubled! Go sailing and be happy. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > ?Jim, > > It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down through > the centerboard pennant hole. > > Todd T. > >> On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: >> >> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid doing >> anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, today >> I >> re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't draining >> properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around the >> Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in >> too >> ? >> >> This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might see >> a few drips >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From snstaum at gmail.com Sun May 9 09:32:14 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 09:32:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Message-ID: Rhodies, My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t have one? -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From snstaum at gmail.com Sun May 9 09:35:37 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 09:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rhodies, My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t have one? -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Needham, MA -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1148.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 531504 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun May 9 10:04:57 2021 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 10:04:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! That?s a bummer! Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > ?Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t > have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Pariser Industries, Inc. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1148.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 531504 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun May 9 10:29:36 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t > have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sun May 9 10:51:29 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 07:51:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1620571889704-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Cruising Designs, Selden and Doyle Sails all offer in mast systems. If Stan cannot help you out, you may be able to have the negligent yard replace the mast and mainsail... ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From borderfolle at yahoo.com Sun May 9 10:57:26 2021 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 14:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made.? Dwyer was the supplier for the standard rig.? Unfortunately, you will probably need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and possibly a sail repair.? So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can all be fixed. Don Simons,? Ithaca, NY On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote: Ouch.? I assume we're talking about an IMF mast.? I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ).? I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.? I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t > have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun May 9 11:07:02 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 11:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015c01d744e4$f852b0c0$e8f81240$@ebsmed.com> Well, at least the marina is insured, I hope. Some things just need to be replaced. There's no way to straighten that out. I was talking about the driver, but the statement applies equally to the mast assembly. Sorry that your season started on a sour note. Things can only get better. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Stephen Staum Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 9:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Rhodies, My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t have one? -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Needham, MA -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1148.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 531504 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zooba72 at hotmail.com Mon May 10 00:24:54 2021 From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (JimIggy) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 21:24:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620620694865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I'll make certain to update this thread once I have it in the water. I'm still at least several weeks away. Again, I really appreciate everyone who provided details on the centerboard repair - I'm hoping that I do not have to deal with it this year. It's definitely possible that the water originated from another location and found it's way to the keel/CB. There was water draining from the cockpit too. I have several other questions but I'm going to start new threads as they're unrelated to the Centerboard. 1988 Rhodes 22 Port Jefferson, NY Unnamed Vessel - is it bad luck to name an unnamed vessel ? I know it's bad luck to change the name - I'll have to figure that one out. Thank you -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From zooba72 at hotmail.com Mon May 10 00:43:04 2021 From: zooba72 at hotmail.com (JimIggy) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 21:43:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be very helpful given where I want to launch. Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you 1988 Rhodes 22 Port Jefferson NY -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon May 10 07:11:23 2021 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 04:11:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1620645083269-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Even when kept well greased, my extension is very hard to move by hand due to rust in the square tube the extension slides in. My solution is to use a come-along to position the extension back and forth. Works well for me. ----- George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 Lake Waccamaw NC -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon May 10 08:42:52 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 07:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1620645083269-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620645083269-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I used a 5lb hammer at the end... It had to go in a little more to come back out. On Mon, May 10, 2021, 6:11 AM Gmorganflier wrote: > Even when kept well greased, my extension is very hard to move by hand due > to > rust in the square tube the extension slides in. > My solution is to use a come-along to position the extension back and > forth. > Works well for me. > > > > ----- > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > Lake Waccamaw NC > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 10 09:15:05 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 13:15:05 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Stephen, Oh no, that's heartbreaking. A gorgeous boat, already to go, and then disaster strikes. Hard to imagine how that must feel. I hope you hear from Stan very quickly! - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Stephen Staum Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 9:35 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Rhodies, My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t have one? -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Needham, MA -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That?s a bummer! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > >> > >> ?Rhodies, > >> > >> My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > >> ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > >> > >> I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t > >> have one? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks and Stay Well, > >> Stephen Staum > >> Needham, MA > >> -- > >> Thanks and Stay Well, > >> Stephen Staum > >> Pariser Industries, Inc. > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_1148.jpeg > >> Type: image/jpg > >> Size: 531504 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210509/c0290aaf/attachment.jpg > > > > > ? > > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 10 11:55:42 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 15:55:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every day. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can all be fixed. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote: Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > ?forgot? he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he doesn?t > have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon May 10 12:12:54 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 12:12:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com> I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF mast. Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. See the archives at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every day. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can all be fixed. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote: Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he > doesn't have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon May 10 12:28:55 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 16:28:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com> References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> , <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi All, So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to believe. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael D. Weisner Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF mast. Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. See the archives at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every day. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can all be fixed. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote: Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he > doesn't have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 10 13:00:18 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 17:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> , <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Roger, Good question. Last time I was at the plant there were a ton of masts round back. Some in good shape and some, not so. I wonder how many GB goes through? Probably haven't made any new boats in years land most of the recycle boats already have masts? - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Hi All, So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to believe. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael D. Weisner Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF mast. Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. See the archives at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every day. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can all be fixed. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote: Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they may have no idea what you're even talking about. If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could sell you something suitable. Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Rhodies, > > My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > > I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he > doesn't have one? > > > -- > Thanks and Stay Well, > Stephen Staum > Needham, MA > -- From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon May 10 15:42:03 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 19:42:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> , <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com>, , Message-ID: Rob, Do IMF masts wear out with use? Are IMF masts more susceptible to getting bent? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Roger, > Good question. Last time I was at the plant there were a ton of masts round back. Some in good shape and some, not so. I wonder how many GB goes through? Probably haven't made any new boats in years land most of the recycle boats already have masts? - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > Hi All, > > So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to believe. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Michael D. Weisner > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF > mast. > > Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by > the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. > > See the archives at: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, > Rob > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every > day. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald > Simons via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned > exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer > was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably > need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and > possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can > all be fixed. > Don Simons, Ithaca, NY > On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that > these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com > ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it > wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, > since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they > may have no idea what you're even talking about. > > If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could > sell you something suitable. > > Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> Rhodies, >> >> My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver >> "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! >> >> I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he >> doesn't have one? >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and Stay Well, >> Stephen Staum >> Needham, MA >> -- > > From snstaum at gmail.com Mon May 10 16:12:15 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 16:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: He slammed it into the top crossbar on the travel lift. Any mast would have bent with that force up high. It bent above the spreaders. Check the picture. Stephen. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 3:42 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Rob, > > Do IMF masts wear out with use? Are IMF masts more susceptible to getting > bent? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Roger, > > Good question. Last time I was at the plant there were a ton of masts > round back. Some in good shape and some, not so. I wonder how many GB goes > through? Probably haven't made any new boats in years land most of the > recycle boats already have masts? - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > Hi All, > > > > So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have > been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the > world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years > without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to > believe. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Michael D. Weisner > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF > > mast. > > > > Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by > > the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. > > > > See the archives at: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lowe, > > Rob > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every > > day. - rob > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Donald > > Simons via Rhodes22-list > > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned > > exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer > > was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably > > need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and > > possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this > can > > all be fixed. > > Don Simons, Ithaca, NY > > On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed > that > > these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com > > ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it > > wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed > ownership, > > since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they > > may have no idea what you're even talking about. > > > > If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer > could > > sell you something suitable. > > > > Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > >> > >> Rhodies, > >> > >> My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > >> "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > >> > >> I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he > >> doesn't have one? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks and Stay Well, > >> Stephen Staum > >> Needham, MA > >> -- > > > > > -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 10 16:53:40 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 20:53:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: , <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> , <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com>, , , Message-ID: Roger, I would say no and no. Which means he may have a lifetime supply on hand. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 3:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Rob, Do IMF masts wear out with use? Are IMF masts more susceptible to getting bent? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Roger, > Good question. Last time I was at the plant there were a ton of masts round back. Some in good shape and some, not so. I wonder how many GB goes through? Probably haven't made any new boats in years land most of the recycle boats already have masts? - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > Hi All, > > So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to believe. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Michael D. Weisner > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF > mast. > > Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by > the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. > > See the archives at: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, > Rob > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every > day. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Donald > Simons via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned > exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer > was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably > need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and > possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this can > all be fixed. > Don Simons, Ithaca, NY > On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed that > these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com > ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it > wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed ownership, > since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they > may have no idea what you're even talking about. > > If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer could > sell you something suitable. > > Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> Rhodies, >> >> My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver >> "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! >> >> I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he >> doesn't have one? >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and Stay Well, >> Stephen Staum >> Needham, MA >> -- > > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 10 17:01:20 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 21:01:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: <1704276519.1042623.1620572246794@mail.yahoo.com> <004801d745b7$566facd0$034f0670$@ebsmed.com> , Message-ID: Stephen, That had to be hard to watch. I can't even imagine. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Stephen Staum Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 4:12 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed He slammed it into the top crossbar on the travel lift. Any mast would have bent with that force up high. It bent above the spreaders. Check the picture. Stephen. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 3:42 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Rob, > > Do IMF masts wear out with use? Are IMF masts more susceptible to getting > bent? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Roger, > > Good question. Last time I was at the plant there were a ton of masts > round back. Some in good shape and some, not so. I wonder how many GB goes > through? Probably haven't made any new boats in years land most of the > recycle boats already have masts? - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > Hi All, > > > > So, according to the date stamp on that archived message, there have > been no new IMF masts produced at least since August, 2008? How in the > world has Stan been able to stay in business for another 12-1/2 + years > without production on such a critical component? This story is hard to > believe. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Michael D. Weisner > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:13 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > I believe that Stan had said that he owned the extrusion die for the IMF > > mast. > > > > Unfortunately, I also remember a discussion that the die had been lost by > > the manufacturer and there are no more IMF masts being produced. > > > > See the archives at: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052766.html > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lowe, > > Rob > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:56 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Donald Simons > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > I don't think I knew Stan owned the IMF extrusion. Learn something every > > day. - rob > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Donald > > Simons via Rhodes22-list > > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 10:57 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > > > Contacting Stan is the only way to go since the IMF extrusion is owned > > exclusively by Stan and he is the only one who has the masts made. Dwyer > > was the supplier for the standard rig. Unfortunately, you will probably > > need a number of items including the tube that the sail attaches to and > > possibly a sail repair. So sorry for the damage, but fortunately, this > can > > all be fixed. > > Don Simons, Ithaca, NY > > On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:30:32 AM EDT, Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > Ouch. I assume we're talking about an IMF mast. I've always assumed > that > > these were manufactured by Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com > > ). I doubt they can sell you one, but it > > wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm guessing the company recently changed > ownership, > > since they moved from Connecticut to Bristol, RI, so if you do call, they > > may have no idea what you're even talking about. > > > > If you're forced to go with a non-IMF mast, then I'm pretty sure Dwyer > could > > sell you something suitable. > > > > Please keep the group informed about how this turns out. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On May 9, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > >> > >> Rhodies, > >> > >> My marina had an accident yesterday launching my new boat. The driver > >> "forgot" he was launching a sailboat and backed into the travel lift! > >> > >> I already have an email in to Stan. Anybody have any ideas if he > >> doesn't have one? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks and Stay Well, > >> Stephen Staum > >> Needham, MA > >> -- > > > > > -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From Marc at babineauins.com Mon May 10 17:33:13 2021 From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 14:33:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1620682393585-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stephen If you can get a replacement, but find yourself in a position where you will have to wait a long time, you can borrow my IMF mast assembly. Our boat is in storage for the season and we're located in central MA . ----- Marc B. s/v Baby Steps Westminster MA Sailing Narragansett Bay -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon May 10 18:04:50 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 18:04:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: <1620682393585-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620682393585-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <008101d745e8$803d7700$80b86500$@ebsmed.com> Marc, What a great offer! This is why we have "da list"! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mrbabs Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 5:33 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed Stephen If you can get a replacement, but find yourself in a position where you will have to wait a long time, you can borrow my IMF mast assembly. Our boat is in storage for the season and we're located in central MA . ----- Marc B. s/v Baby Steps Westminster MA Sailing Narragansett Bay -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Mon May 10 18:07:22 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 18:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed In-Reply-To: <008101d745e8$803d7700$80b86500$@ebsmed.com> References: <1620682393585-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <008101d745e8$803d7700$80b86500$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thanks Marc. As it stands now we are launching our ?83 Rhodes which has not sold yet. Stay tuned... Stephen On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 6:04 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Marc, > > What a great offer! This is why we have "da list"! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Mrbabs > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 5:33 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast Assembly Needed > > Stephen > > If you can get a replacement, but find yourself in a position where you > will > have to wait a long time, you can borrow my IMF mast assembly. Our boat is > in storage for the season and we're located in central MA . > > > > ----- > Marc B. > s/v Baby Steps > Westminster MA > Sailing Narragansett Bay > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 11 08:59:59 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 08:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002901d74665$adec6170$09c52450$@ca> I had a similar problem when yhr extension had not been used for a number of years. I got ot free buy putting tension on the extension and the going along the lenth of the outer housing applying solid taps with a small sledge hammer. After a while it let go. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of JimIggy Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be very helpful given where I want to launch. Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you 1988 Rhodes 22 Port Jefferson NY -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 11 08:59:59 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 08:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003401d74665$b28104c0$17830e40$@ca> I too had a badly cracked sole on the keel. In fact, the crack extended almost entirely around the base of the keel. I think it was caused by the previous owner placing a board between the keel plate and the trailer. I continued with that for some years as it looked sensible enough. The only way to see the crack was to get the boat suspended off the trailer so I could get right under the keel and look up. I learned through the list that the keel should not rest on anything when on the trailer. The boat is only supported by the bunks. Because it was not visible the crack went unnoticed for years and probably was exacerbated by freezing. Material inside the keel was also washed out including what looked like flakes of metal which I think might have been some form of lead ballast. As a result there were large voids in the keel which needed to be filled - not a trivial job as resin needed to be injects higher up and through the cabin floor. The moral to this story is 1, don?t place anything under the keel when the boat is on the trailer, and 2, occasionally get right under the keel and inspect it for cracks - especially if you have had and hard grounding or the boat has come down hard on anything. This is obviously something that you don't want to delay fixing. I have attached a picture of the keel with the crack showing. Repairing the crack was a major effort. If anyone has the same problem and is interested in what I did just let me know. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Keyser Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 9:54 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Hi, Hate to throw water on anyone's' parade, but I had a similar issue, and it's not just water draining through the pennant hole in the cockpit. Each year that I have had the boat (4), about two inches of water accumulated in the bilge when the boat is in the water. I have installed two automatic bilge pumps on her, one under the raised head floor, and one in the lazarette. When I arrive, I would manually activate the forward one, and at different times, different amounts of water would emerge from the discharge (probably 0-5 gallons). The lazarette rarely had enough water in it to actually pump out - a sponge would do the trick. Over the ensuing years, while hoping it was rainwater, I pretty diligently searched for any likely entry pathways, both river and rain. All the usual suspects were checked, and any faults corrected: some leaky ports; put a gasket on the lazarette hatch; rebedded a few bits of hardware; tightened clamps on the cockpit drains; etc. Each fall the boat would be put on a trailer in a marina asphalt parking lot. All winter long, a drip of water would appear every few seconds at the front of the opening for the centerboard. (BTW, the boat was positioned stern down, so any water flowing into the pendant tube would not be flowing down the front of the centerboard trunk) When I crawled under the boat, things always looked ok, no cracks or holes, but the inside of the front of the trunk was always moist - even after months out of the water. However, this fall, I discovered a pretty sizable (6-8") crack in the front of the keel, running forward from the centerboard well. As I further examined it, I found that the area had sustained damage (hard grounding or hitting a submerged object?) previous to my ownership, and attempts had been made to repair the area with what appeared to be automotive body filler covered with some sort of rubbery material, then painted. In the spring, I decided to tackle this and worked from below and above. Inside the boat, I removed the floor in the cabin, and found several cracks in the top of the hull in front of the centerboard trunk. I decided not to remove the floor in the head area, but cut an 8" access port in it. In that area, aft of the concrete ballast, cracks were also seen. The wood stringers supporting the floor, as well as the bulkhead separating the main cabin from the forepeak were reinforced with pressure treated wood screwed and fiberglassed in place. The top of the inside of the hull where the cracks were was sanded and then covered with alternating layers of fiberglass mat & mesh. The same treatment was given to the entire area forward of and alongside the centerboard trunk up to the stringers on each side. Access was limited in the head area, and any crack that extended under the concrete ballast was inaccessible anyway, so I just ended up first pouring some fiberglass resin into the area, hoping that it may find its way into the cracks, then covering it up with some matting. Along the way, all of the centerboard trunk cover bolts were snugged up, and the pendant tube clamps replaced with new SS ones. Underneath the boat, I opened up the crack and drilled a shallow hole at the forward end of it to stop it from spreading. The entire area was then sanded, and repaired, again using layers of fiberglass mat and mesh. The repair area was then painted with an epoxy coat, then bottom paint. This spring, the boat was launched, and, while not completely dry, it seems to be much better, with just a little puddling visible in the bilge now. I can probably live with that in a 40-year-old boat, but will certainly keep an eye on things. Anyway, the point is that wishful thinking doesn't always pan out - it didn't for me. Best Regards, John Keyser 1980 R-22 "Deci-Belle" Philadelphia, Pa ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Jim, I agree with Todd, it?s most likely just water draining from the cockpit seats thru the centerboard pennant hole. There are no nooks and crannies in the centerboard well. Thus, there is no place for water to accumulate in there to drain out when you shift the boat on the trailer. Likewise, if you had a crack in the centerboard, it?s very unlikely that shifting the boat on the trailer would cause water to dribble out. Let not your heart be troubled! Go sailing and be happy. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > ?Jim, > > It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down through > the centerboard pennant hole. > > Todd T. > >> On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: >> >> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid doing >> anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, today >> I >> re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't draining >> properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around the >> Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in >> too >> ? >> >> This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might see >> a few drips >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cracks in keel b.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 138985 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 11 10:28:45 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 09:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <003401d74665$b28104c0$17830e40$@ca> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003401d74665$b28104c0$17830e40$@ca> Message-ID: Dang graham . I thought mine was bad... I just marinetexd it. IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg On Tue, May 11, 2021, 8:01 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > I too had a badly cracked sole on the keel. In fact, the crack extended > almost entirely around the base of the keel. I think it was caused by the > previous owner placing a board between the keel plate and the trailer. I > continued with that for some years as it looked sensible enough. The only > way to see the crack was to get the boat suspended off the trailer so I > could get right under the keel and look up. > > I learned through the list that the keel should not rest on anything when > on the trailer. The boat is only supported by the bunks. > > Because it was not visible the crack went unnoticed for years and probably > was exacerbated by freezing. Material inside the keel was also washed out > including what looked like flakes of metal which I think might have been > some form of lead ballast. As a result there were large voids in the keel > which needed to be filled - not a trivial job as resin needed to be injects > higher up and through the cabin floor. > > The moral to this story is 1, don?t place anything under the keel when the > boat is on the trailer, and 2, occasionally get right under the keel and > inspect it for cracks - especially if you have had and hard grounding or > the boat has come down hard on anything. This is obviously something that > you don't want to delay fixing. > > I have attached a picture of the keel with the crack showing. > > Repairing the crack was a major effort. If anyone has the same problem and > is interested in what I did just let me know. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of John Keyser > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 9:54 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hi, > > Hate to throw water on anyone's' parade, but I had a similar issue, and > it's not just water draining through the pennant hole in the cockpit. Each > year that I have had the boat (4), about two inches of water accumulated in > the bilge when the boat is in the water. I have installed two automatic > bilge pumps on her, one under the raised head floor, and one in the > lazarette. When I arrive, I would manually activate the forward one, and > at different times, different amounts of water would emerge from the > discharge (probably 0-5 gallons). The lazarette rarely had enough water in > it to actually pump out - a sponge would do the trick. Over the ensuing > years, while hoping it was rainwater, I pretty diligently searched for any > likely entry pathways, both river and rain. All the usual suspects were > checked, and any faults corrected: some leaky ports; put a gasket on the > lazarette hatch; rebedded a few bits of hardware; tightened clamps on the > cockpit drains; etc. > > Each fall the boat would be put on a trailer in a marina asphalt parking > lot. All winter long, a drip of water would appear every few seconds at the > front of the opening for the centerboard. (BTW, the boat was positioned > stern down, so any water flowing into the pendant tube would not be flowing > down the front of the centerboard trunk) When I crawled under the boat, > things always looked ok, no cracks or holes, but the inside of the front of > the trunk was always moist - even after months out of the water. > > However, this fall, I discovered a pretty sizable (6-8") crack in the > front of the keel, running forward from the centerboard well. As I further > examined it, I found that the area had sustained damage (hard grounding or > hitting a submerged object?) previous to my ownership, and attempts had > been made to repair the area with what appeared to be automotive body > filler covered with some sort of rubbery material, then painted. > > In the spring, I decided to tackle this and worked from below and above. > > Inside the boat, I removed the floor in the cabin, and found several > cracks in the top of the hull in front of the centerboard trunk. I decided > not to remove the floor in the head area, but cut an 8" access port in it. > In that area, aft of the concrete ballast, cracks were also seen. The wood > stringers supporting the floor, as well as the bulkhead separating the main > cabin from the forepeak were reinforced with pressure treated wood screwed > and fiberglassed in place. The top of the inside of the hull where the > cracks were was sanded and then covered with alternating layers of > fiberglass mat & mesh. The same treatment was given to the entire area > forward of and alongside the centerboard trunk up to the stringers on each > side. > > Access was limited in the head area, and any crack that extended under > the concrete ballast was inaccessible anyway, so I just ended up first > pouring some fiberglass resin into the area, hoping that it may find its > way into the cracks, then covering it up with some matting. Along the way, > all of the centerboard trunk cover bolts were snugged up, and the pendant > tube clamps replaced with new SS ones. > > Underneath the boat, I opened up the crack and drilled a shallow hole at > the forward end of it to stop it from spreading. The entire area was then > sanded, and repaired, again using layers of fiberglass mat and mesh. The > repair area was then painted with an epoxy coat, then bottom paint. > > This spring, the boat was launched, and, while not completely dry, it > seems to be much better, with just a little puddling visible in the bilge > now. I can probably live with that in a 40-year-old boat, but will > certainly keep an eye on things. > > Anyway, the point is that wishful thinking doesn't always pan out - it > didn't for me. > > Best Regards, > John Keyser > 1980 R-22 "Deci-Belle" > Philadelphia, Pa > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Jim, > > I agree with Todd, it?s most likely just water draining from the cockpit > seats thru the centerboard pennant hole. There are no nooks and crannies > in the centerboard well. Thus, there is no place for water to accumulate > in there to drain out when you shift the boat on the trailer. Likewise, if > you had a crack in the centerboard, it?s very unlikely that shifting the > boat on the trailer would cause water to dribble out. Let not your heart > be troubled! Go sailing and be happy. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > ?Jim, > > > > It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down > through > > the centerboard pennant hole. > > > > Todd T. > > > >> On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: > >> > >> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid > doing > >> anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, > today > >> I > >> re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't > draining > >> properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around > the > >> Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in > >> too > >> ? > >> > >> This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might > see > >> a few drips > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: cracks in keel b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138985 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210511/ef4f354b/attachment.jpg > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 11 11:02:46 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 11:02:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620415364356-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003401d74665$b28104c0$17830e40$@ca> Message-ID: <005901d74676$b50a5f00$1f1f1d00$@ca> I don't want my experience with a cracked keel sole to overly alarm others. First, my boat is a 1976 which means it was made by outside contractors which means the skin is much thinner than boats built by Stan. Second, the problem was probably getting worse for years because of the freeze thaw cycles in Ontario before I even notices it, and 3, the boat was sitting on a board under the keel for years before I realized that was a no, no. I just wanted people to know that leaks are possible and should not be overlooked. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:29 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Dang graham . I thought mine was bad... I just marinetexd it. IMG_20200731_164032557.jpg On Tue, May 11, 2021, 8:01 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > I too had a badly cracked sole on the keel. In fact, the crack extended > almost entirely around the base of the keel. I think it was caused by the > previous owner placing a board between the keel plate and the trailer. I > continued with that for some years as it looked sensible enough. The only > way to see the crack was to get the boat suspended off the trailer so I > could get right under the keel and look up. > > I learned through the list that the keel should not rest on anything when > on the trailer. The boat is only supported by the bunks. > > Because it was not visible the crack went unnoticed for years and probably > was exacerbated by freezing. Material inside the keel was also washed out > including what looked like flakes of metal which I think might have been > some form of lead ballast. As a result there were large voids in the keel > which needed to be filled - not a trivial job as resin needed to be injects > higher up and through the cabin floor. > > The moral to this story is 1, don?t place anything under the keel when the > boat is on the trailer, and 2, occasionally get right under the keel and > inspect it for cracks - especially if you have had and hard grounding or > the boat has come down hard on anything. This is obviously something that > you don't want to delay fixing. > > I have attached a picture of the keel with the crack showing. > > Repairing the crack was a major effort. If anyone has the same problem and > is interested in what I did just let me know. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of John Keyser > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 9:54 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hi, > > Hate to throw water on anyone's' parade, but I had a similar issue, and > it's not just water draining through the pennant hole in the cockpit. Each > year that I have had the boat (4), about two inches of water accumulated in > the bilge when the boat is in the water. I have installed two automatic > bilge pumps on her, one under the raised head floor, and one in the > lazarette. When I arrive, I would manually activate the forward one, and > at different times, different amounts of water would emerge from the > discharge (probably 0-5 gallons). The lazarette rarely had enough water in > it to actually pump out - a sponge would do the trick. Over the ensuing > years, while hoping it was rainwater, I pretty diligently searched for any > likely entry pathways, both river and rain. All the usual suspects were > checked, and any faults corrected: some leaky ports; put a gasket on the > lazarette hatch; rebedded a few bits of hardware; tightened clamps on the > cockpit drains; etc. > > Each fall the boat would be put on a trailer in a marina asphalt parking > lot. All winter long, a drip of water would appear every few seconds at the > front of the opening for the centerboard. (BTW, the boat was positioned > stern down, so any water flowing into the pendant tube would not be flowing > down the front of the centerboard trunk) When I crawled under the boat, > things always looked ok, no cracks or holes, but the inside of the front of > the trunk was always moist - even after months out of the water. > > However, this fall, I discovered a pretty sizable (6-8") crack in the > front of the keel, running forward from the centerboard well. As I further > examined it, I found that the area had sustained damage (hard grounding or > hitting a submerged object?) previous to my ownership, and attempts had > been made to repair the area with what appeared to be automotive body > filler covered with some sort of rubbery material, then painted. > > In the spring, I decided to tackle this and worked from below and above. > > Inside the boat, I removed the floor in the cabin, and found several > cracks in the top of the hull in front of the centerboard trunk. I decided > not to remove the floor in the head area, but cut an 8" access port in it. > In that area, aft of the concrete ballast, cracks were also seen. The wood > stringers supporting the floor, as well as the bulkhead separating the main > cabin from the forepeak were reinforced with pressure treated wood screwed > and fiberglassed in place. The top of the inside of the hull where the > cracks were was sanded and then covered with alternating layers of > fiberglass mat & mesh. The same treatment was given to the entire area > forward of and alongside the centerboard trunk up to the stringers on each > side. > > Access was limited in the head area, and any crack that extended under > the concrete ballast was inaccessible anyway, so I just ended up first > pouring some fiberglass resin into the area, hoping that it may find its > way into the cracks, then covering it up with some matting. Along the way, > all of the centerboard trunk cover bolts were snugged up, and the pendant > tube clamps replaced with new SS ones. > > Underneath the boat, I opened up the crack and drilled a shallow hole at > the forward end of it to stop it from spreading. The entire area was then > sanded, and repaired, again using layers of fiberglass mat and mesh. The > repair area was then painted with an epoxy coat, then bottom paint. > > This spring, the boat was launched, and, while not completely dry, it > seems to be much better, with just a little puddling visible in the bilge > now. I can probably live with that in a 40-year-old boat, but will > certainly keep an eye on things. > > Anyway, the point is that wishful thinking doesn't always pan out - it > didn't for me. > > Best Regards, > John Keyser > 1980 R-22 "Deci-Belle" > Philadelphia, Pa > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Jim, > > I agree with Todd, it?s most likely just water draining from the cockpit > seats thru the centerboard pennant hole. There are no nooks and crannies > in the centerboard well. Thus, there is no place for water to accumulate > in there to drain out when you shift the boat on the trailer. Likewise, if > you had a crack in the centerboard, it?s very unlikely that shifting the > boat on the trailer would cause water to dribble out. Let not your heart > be troubled! Go sailing and be happy. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > ?Jim, > > > > It could just be water draining from the cockpit seat gutters down > through > > the centerboard pennant hole. > > > > Todd T. > > > >> On Fri, May 7, 2021, 3:22 PM JimIggy wrote: > >> > >> Again, I really appreciate the information. I was hoping to avoid > doing > >> anything with the Centerboad prior to doing a test launch. However, > today > >> I > >> re positioned the trailer because it was not level and it wasn't > draining > >> properly. Once I got it level, I noticed water dripping out from around > the > >> Centerboard. Is it safe to assume that if water escapes, it will get in > >> too > >> ? > >> > >> This pic failed the capture the water leaking but I tried and you might > see > >> a few drips > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: cracks in keel b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138985 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210511/ef4f354b/attachment.jpg > > > From forg3d at gmail.com Tue May 11 15:53:22 2021 From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 14:53:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: <000e01d7410d$8321f520$8965df60$@ebsmed.com> References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000e01d7410d$8321f520$8965df60$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thank you! This was very helpful as I am starting to replace wiring in my 22 > On May 4, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Jim, > > I have attached a link, from our archives, to a post that I added to "da list" in October 2019, including much of Chris Cowie's efforts to create a wiring diagram for the Rhodes 22. You may find it helpful at: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.html > > Don't forget that the image links are at the end of the cited posting. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JimIggy > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:29 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hello Everyone, > > I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, ... {snip} ... Does anyone know if there is > a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any > information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue May 11 16:07:21 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 16:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question In-Reply-To: References: <1619929715660-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000e01d7410d$8321f520$8965df60$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <007901d746a1$41123430$c3369c90$@ebsmed.com> Jeffrey, You are most welcome, but, the "thank you" goes to the creator of the diagrams, Chris Cowie. We have so much good stuff in the archives! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jeffrey Camiel Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 3:53 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question Thank you! This was very helpful as I am starting to replace wiring in my 22 > On May 4, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Jim, > > I have attached a link, from our archives, to a post that I added to "da list" in October 2019, including much of Chris Cowie's efforts to create a wiring diagram for the Rhodes 22. You may find it helpful at: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-October/083687.html > > Don't forget that the image links are at the end of the cited posting. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JimIggy > Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:29 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Question > > Hello Everyone, > > I?m a new owner of a 1988 Rhodes 22, ... {snip} ... Does anyone know if there is > a schematic available for the boat ? or a full parts list ? Any > information, suggestions would be most welcomed. Attaching a few pics > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed May 12 11:25:09 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> Hi Jim, If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles down the road. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JimIggy Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be very helpful given where I want to launch. Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you 1988 Rhodes 22 Port Jefferson NY -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed May 12 15:09:19 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 19:09:19 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Jim, I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to suggest. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Hi Jim, > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles down > the road. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > JimIggy > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the > pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely > rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous > sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From talmorin at hotmail.com Wed May 12 16:09:54 2021 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 20:09:54 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Any time you have something seized because of rust or other bonding, the two best ways to break it loose is thermal expansion and shock. Since heating the entire length of the extension is impractical, shock is probably your best bet. That being said, two methods are almost always better than one in cases like these, so getting some tension on it with the tow vehicle, then firmly banging on the extension from all 4 sides several times, working your way down the extension until it breaks loose, may be the most effective method. Tom S/V Just Bent ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 2:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement Jim, I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to suggest. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Hi Jim, > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles down > the road. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > JimIggy > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the > pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely > rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous > sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed May 12 19:50:38 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Note there is only a small bit towards the axle that is encased, and then only about 2.5ft (on my trailer) by the tounge. Mine is now stuck.... Lol On Wed, May 12, 2021, 3:09 PM Thomas s wrote: > Any time you have something seized because of rust or other bonding, the > two best ways to break it loose is thermal expansion and shock. > Since heating the entire length of the extension is impractical, shock is > probably your best bet. > > That being said, two methods are almost always better than one in cases > like these, so getting some tension on it with the tow vehicle, then firmly > banging on the extension from all 4 sides several times, working your way > down the extension until it breaks loose, may be the most effective method. > > Tom > S/V Just Bent > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 2:09 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > Jim, > > I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so > they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow > vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at > home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several > times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to > suggest. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Hi Jim, > > > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles > down > > the road. > > > > Mike > > s/v Windlass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > JimIggy > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous > owner, > > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with > the > > pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is > definitely > > rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous > > sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. > I'm > > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From forg3d at gmail.com Wed May 12 23:18:50 2021 From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 22:18:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Used that method on Chrysler 22 trailer that had the same extension. First injected the trailer extensions frame with large amount of PB blaster. Elevated the trailer extension to get the Blaster to soak. Left it over night. Then in the morning, tapped the extension housing all over with a small sledge hammer to stay to break rust in the housing (sides and both ends).Then tied the trailer axle to a thick tree with tow straps (first pulling out the pin holding the extension in the housing). Had one person watching watching the trailer axle and another watching the extension, put truck in low and slowly pulled, rolled back, etc. finally the rust broke and the exertion pulled free. Thoughts. 1. Worried about the axle pulling off frame. But felt the axle was much less likely to bend than the frame. 2. Would have loved to back up against something to the push back the extension against to work the rust, but couldn?t really figure out how to do that. > On May 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Jim, > > I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to suggest. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: >> >> ?Hi Jim, >> >> If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles down >> the road. >> >> Mike >> s/v Windlass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> JimIggy >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement >> >> I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the >> trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. >> >> I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, >> the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two >> pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the >> pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely >> rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous >> sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm >> considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be >> very helpful given where I want to launch. >> >> Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you >> >> 1988 Rhodes 22 >> Port Jefferson NY >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 13 07:19:12 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 11:19:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Jim, I would expect the wheels on the tow vehicle to slip before the trailer axle would move or break! The other suggestions about soaking in rust buster overnight, banging with a hammer, etc are good. If ever got the tongue extension loose; then, I would find a way to flush the loose rust out of the channel while it?s extended. Then, I would scrape and paint the tongue extension with Rust-O-Leum and run a rag soaked in gun oil thru the channel to stop the future rust. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 3:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement Jim, I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to suggest. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Hi Jim, > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles down > the road. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > JimIggy > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with the > pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is definitely > rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous > sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stevenalm at gmail.com Thu May 13 09:01:24 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 08:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Take the pins out and put one of them through the hole near the other end. Use a short length of chain to make some sort of loop connection to it. Use either a come-along or block and tackle between that and the winch post. Mine was stuck solid and a 6:1 block and tackle moved it easily. On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 6:19 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jim, > > I would expect the wheels on the tow vehicle to slip before the trailer > axle would move or break! The other suggestions about soaking in rust > buster overnight, banging with a hammer, etc are good. If ever got the > tongue extension loose; then, I would find a way to flush the loose rust > out of the channel while it?s extended. Then, I would scrape and paint the > tongue extension with Rust-O-Leum and run a rag soaked in gun oil thru the > channel to stop the future rust. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 3:09 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > Jim, > > I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so > they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow > vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at > home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several > times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to > suggest. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Hi Jim, > > > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few miles > down > > the road. > > > > Mike > > s/v Windlass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > JimIggy > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous > owner, > > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer with > the > > pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. There is > definitely > > rust where the extension passes through the receiver. I used numerous > > sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. > I'm > > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Thu May 13 13:12:55 2021 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 13:12:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Price Estimate Message-ID: A question for the list. How can I estimate the boat value in dollars? The boat is a 1984 without IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need to have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new jib as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is bent at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of the trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before it was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came off as it it is supposed to do. It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the battery charged. It has a bimini in good condition. Anyway, I need to sell as I?m planning to move out of the country. Regards, Luis A. Guzm?n S/V Aquetxali From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 13 14:20:33 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: <001b01d74824$aa44d820$fece8860$@ebsmed.com> Please be careful with the lubricants used on the trailer. I have always used bearing buddies with covers so that the grease does not leak into the water during launch. I try to use "dry lubricants" on the sliding parts. The local town police as well as the Coast Guard are instructed to look for oil contaminants in the waterways. A few years ago, I assisted a young man who became pinned between his personal watercraft and the floating finger pier, due to a strong tidal current, as he was trying to climb off. The watercraft overturned and was trapped under the finger. A small oil slick was visible but we righted the craft quickly, minimizing any environmental impact. Once he was able to recover the craft on to its trailer, the police asked the young man if he required an ambulance which he declined. He was then presented with a ticket for polluting the waterway. I hear that they are very expensive, possibly a thousand dollars or more! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 7:19 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement Jim, I would expect the wheels on the tow vehicle to slip before the trailer axle would move or break! The other suggestions about soaking in rust buster overnight, banging with a hammer, etc are good. If ever got the tongue extension loose; then, I would find a way to flush the loose rust out of the channel while it?s extended. Then, I would scrape and paint the tongue extension with Rust-O-Leum and run a rag soaked in gun oil thru the channel to stop the future rust. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 3:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement Jim, I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to suggest. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Hi Jim, > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few > miles down the road. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > JimIggy > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous owner, > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer > with the pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. > There is definitely rust where the extension passes through the > receiver. I used numerous sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free it up. No luck thus far. I'm > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 13 16:00:43 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 15:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <001b01d74824$aa44d820$fece8860$@ebsmed.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1620621784825-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <006801d74742$ff93d110$febb7330$@ebsmed.com> <001b01d74824$aa44d820$fece8860$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hey all. So as I mentioned my extension was stuck.... Guess what?! After I towed the boat to the launch it broke itself loose. Ymmv. On Thu, May 13, 2021, 1:20 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Please be careful with the lubricants used on the trailer. I have always > used bearing buddies with covers so that the grease does not leak into the > water during launch. I try to use "dry lubricants" on the sliding parts. > The local town police as well as the Coast Guard are instructed to look for > oil contaminants in the waterways. > > A few years ago, I assisted a young man who became pinned between his > personal watercraft and the floating finger pier, due to a strong tidal > current, as he was trying to climb off. The watercraft overturned and was > trapped under the finger. A small oil slick was visible but we righted the > craft quickly, minimizing any environmental impact. Once he was able to > recover the craft on to its trailer, the police asked the young man if he > required an ambulance which he declined. He was then presented with a > ticket for polluting the waterway. I hear that they are very expensive, > possibly a thousand dollars or more! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 7:19 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > Jim, > > I would expect the wheels on the tow vehicle to slip before the trailer > axle would move or break! The other suggestions about soaking in rust > buster overnight, banging with a hammer, etc are good. If ever got the > tongue extension loose; then, I would find a way to flush the loose rust > out of the channel while it?s extended. Then, I would scrape and paint the > tongue extension with Rust-O-Leum and run a rag soaked in gun oil thru the > channel to stop the future rust. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 3:09 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > Jim, > > I?m wondering what would happen if you blocked the trailer?s wheels so > they couldn?t move and then pulled on the hitch extension with your tow > vehicle. This seems like the maximum amount of force you could apply at > home. You could even try repeatedly backing up and going forward several > times. If that doesn?t break the rust loose, I don?t know what else to > suggest. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 12, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Hi Jim, > > > > If you need any physical help, just ask. I'm in Kings Park, a few > > miles down the road. > > > > Mike > > s/v Windlass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > JimIggy > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:43 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement > > > > I'm wondering if I can hijack this thread to ask a question about the > > trailer extension. I can start a new one if necessary. > > > > I recently acquired a Rhodes 22 w-trailer. According to the previous > owner, > > the boat/trailer has been sitting for about 10 years. I removed the two > > pins, but the extension will not move. I tried pulling the trailer > > with the pins removed and the extension is still stuck in place. > > There is definitely rust where the extension passes through the > > receiver. I used numerous sprays, and a 5lb mallet in an effort to free > it up. No luck thus far. I'm > > considering using heat or perhaps an air hammer. The extension would be > > very helpful given where I want to launch. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this ? Should I start a new thread ? Thank you > > > > 1988 Rhodes 22 > > Port Jefferson NY > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 13 16:05:44 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 15:05:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. Message-ID: First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees 5-10kts. As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? Hopefully it works this weekend. What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle control... Anyways! See you soon, Tom and Lea -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3169103 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 13 16:19:28 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 16:19:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> Tom, Congratulations on launching. She looks great! Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the winter. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees 5-10kts. As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? Hopefully it works this weekend. What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle control... Anyways! See you soon, Tom and Lea -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3169103 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 13 16:29:16 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 15:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mike! Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min. It did good on the main passage around the marina then died. Your most likely correct it got clogged. The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably wouldn't have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Tom, > > Congratulations on launching. She looks great! > > Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You > will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I > purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. > > Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the > winter. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom > Van Heule > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. > > First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. > > It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees > 5-10kts. > As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running > slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? > > Hopefully it works this weekend. > > What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , > when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really > strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle > control... > > Anyways! See you soon, > Tom and Lea > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3169103 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edfd8db/attachment.jpg > > > > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Thu May 13 22:19:07 2021 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 22:19:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing Message-ID: <438929D6-423C-407C-A396-A86345590E9A@gmail.com> My posts do not seem to be going through Sent from my iPhone From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Thu May 13 22:21:50 2021 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 22:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <438929D6-423C-407C-A396-A86345590E9A@gmail.com> References: <438929D6-423C-407C-A396-A86345590E9A@gmail.com> Message-ID: This one did. And I think I saw one earlier today. Frank Sent from my iPad > On May 13, 2021, at 10:19 PM, Luis Guzman wrote: > > ?My posts do not seem to be going through > > Sent from my iPhone From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 13 23:44:03 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 23:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing In-Reply-To: <438929D6-423C-407C-A396-A86345590E9A@gmail.com> References: <438929D6-423C-407C-A396-A86345590E9A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009d01d74873$63b6eb10$2b24c130$@ca> I got it. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 10:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing My posts do not seem to be going through Sent from my iPhone From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 14 07:05:07 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 11:05:07 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Tom, Congratulations on getting the boat launched! Mike is right about having to clean out carburetor. There are lots of tiny pieces/parts to drop, so don?t do it on the water. There are 3 things you can do to stop this sort of thing in the future: 1. Only use ?Rec Gas?. Today?s gasoline/alcohol blends are notorious for poor stability in storage. Rec Gas has no alcohol in it and is much more shelf stable. 2. Every time you are finished with your motor for the day, disconnect the fuel hose from the engine with it running. Let it run until the engine stalls from lack of fuel. A carburetor that?s empty can?t get gunked up with bad fuel. 3. Any time you are not going to use the boat for a long period of time, like over the winter, take the fuel tank home and use up the gas. I usually burn the old gas in my snow blower over the winter. Use fresh Rec Gas in the spring. With these 3 precautions, it?s been many years since I had any issues with bad fuel or my outboard reliability. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Thanks Mike! > > Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min. It did good on the > main passage around the marina then died. Your most likely correct it got > clogged. > > The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably wouldn't > have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... > Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . > > > > > >> On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> Congratulations on launching. She looks great! >> >> Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You >> will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I >> purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. >> >> Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the >> winter. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom >> Van Heule >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. >> >> First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. >> >> It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees >> 5-10kts. >> As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running >> slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? >> >> Hopefully it works this weekend. >> >> What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , >> when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really >> strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle >> control... >> >> Anyways! 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The boat needs a new curler for the jib as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is bent at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of the trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before it was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came off as it it is supposed to do. It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the battery charged. It has a bimini in good condition. I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the house. 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Name: Photo Mar 11, 9 43 45 PM.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 20492 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri May 14 08:45:37 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 05:45:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings Message-ID: <1620996337255-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Do you hate messing with clevis pins and then having to insert a split ring or a "safety pin" to secure the rigging? I have 2 hacks which make life easier: Quick Release Pin Bimini Top Pin 1/4 Inch Full 316 Stainless Steel (4 pack) I bought 3 packs Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" (assorted colors) The pins are 1.5" overall, which is too long for my taste so I cut them down and drilled a new hole in the shorter version and pop riveted a 6" length of the hook and loop tape to the included ring. The cut pins now have a 3/4" usable space. They are secured 2 ways: by the ball at the end of the pin and the tape wraped around the pin and chain plate. Very easy to insert and remove by the included large split ring. You can buy individual Quick Release Pins in yor required size (some with 2 balls at the end), but the 4 pack is much less expensive. The second hack is to make pins to keep the shrouds from twisting by pinning the turnbuckles. 18 Pack of 1/16'x1" SS cotter pins from West Marine (Model # 257956) under $10.00 Same Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" Punch a small hole 3/16" from the end of a 3" length of tape and slide one side of the cotter pin through the hole. clip one side of the cotter pin even with the end of the tape and the other side 1/4" longer. C. Sherman Johnson makes a commercial version, but they are $14.00 a pair. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri May 14 08:47:21 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 05:47:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings Message-ID: <1620996441603-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Do you hate messing with clevis pins and then having to insert a split ring or a "safety pin" to secure the rigging? I have 2 hacks which make life easier: Quick Release Pin Bimini Top Pin 1/4 Inch Full 316 Stainless Steel (4 pack) I bought 3 packs Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" (assorted colors) The pins are 1.5" overall, which is too long for my taste so I cut them down and drilled a new hole in the shorter version and pop riveted a 6" length of the hook and loop tape to the included ring. The cut pins now have a 3/4" usable space. They are secured 2 ways: by the ball at the end of the pin and the tape wraped around the pin and chain plate. Very easy to insert and remove by the included large split ring. You can buy individual Quick Release Pins in yor required size (some with 2 balls at the end), but the 4 pack is much less expensive. The second hack is to make pins to keep the shrouds from twisting by pinning the turnbuckles. 18 Pack of 1/16'x1" SS cotter pins from West Marine (Model # 257956) under $10.00 Same Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" Punch a small hole 3/16" from the end of a 3" length of tape and slide one side of the cotter pin through the hole. clip one side of the cotter pin even with the end of the tape and the other side 1/4" longer. C. Sherman Johnson makes a commercial version, but they are $14.00 a pair. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri May 14 08:49:37 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 05:49:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings Message-ID: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Do you hate messing with clevis pins and then having to insert a split ring or a "safety pin" to secure the rigging? I have 2 hacks which make life easier: Quick Release Pin Bimini Top Pin 1/4 Inch Full 316 Stainless Steel (4 pack) I bought 3 packs Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" (assorted colors) The pins are 1.5" overall, which is too long for my taste so I cut them down and drilled a new hole in the shorter version and pop riveted a 6" length of the hook and loop tape to the included ring. The cut pins now have a 3/4" usable space. They are secured 2 ways: by the ball at the end of the pin and the tape wraped around the pin and chain plate. Very easy to insert and remove by the included large split ring. You can buy individual Quick Release Pins in yor required size (some with 2 balls at the end), but the 4 pack is much less expensive. The second hack is to make pins to keep the shrouds from twisting by pinning the turnbuckles. 18 Pack of 1/16'x1" SS cotter pins from West Marine (Model # 257956) under $10.00 Same Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" Punch a small hole 3/16" from the end of a 3" length of tape and slide one side of the cotter pin through the hole. clip one side of the cotter pin even with the end of the tape and the other side 1/4" longer. C. Sherman Johnson makes a commercial version, but they are $14.00 a pair. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri May 14 10:18:36 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 10:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I like these, too. One thing the longer pin does is keep in place the stay tube protecting your jib sheet. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:49 AM JeffSmith wrote: > Do you hate messing with clevis pins and then having to insert a split ring > or a "safety pin" to secure the rigging? > I have 2 hacks which make life easier: > > Quick Release Pin Bimini Top Pin 1/4 Inch Full 316 Stainless Steel (4 pack) > I bought 3 packs > Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" (assorted colors) > > The pins are 1.5" overall, which is too long for my taste so I cut them > down > and drilled a new hole in the shorter version and pop riveted a 6" length > of > the hook and loop tape to the included ring. The cut pins now have a 3/4" > usable space. They are secured 2 ways: by the ball at the end of the pin > and > the tape wraped around the pin and chain plate. Very easy to insert and > remove by the included large split ring. You can buy individual Quick > Release Pins in yor required size (some with 2 balls at the end), but the 4 > pack is much less expensive. > > The second hack is to make pins to keep the shrouds from twisting by > pinning > the turnbuckles. > > 18 Pack of 1/16'x1" SS cotter pins from West Marine (Model # 257956) under > $10.00 > Same Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" > > Punch a small hole 3/16" from the end of a 3" length of tape and slide one > side of the cotter pin through the hole. clip one side of the cotter pin > even with the end of the tape and the other side 1/4" longer. C. Sherman > Johnson makes a commercial version, but they are $14.00 a pair. > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t903/300EDEA3-2E65-4A41-B6DC-85E6C5C91C10.jpg> > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t903/42A0DAC7-2607-4D8A-B0FD-8C701D377FFE.jpg> > > > > > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Fri May 14 12:13:56 2021 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> Roger is correct.? Although more expensive, alcohol-free gas is the only way to go in marine engines.? It's also helpful to use it in lawn/garden equipment as well. Don Simons,??Ithaca, NY On Friday, May 14, 2021, 07:05:11 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Tom, Congratulations on getting the boat launched!? Mike is right about having to clean out carburetor.? There are lots of tiny pieces/parts to drop, so don?t do it on the water. There are 3 things you can do to stop this sort of thing in the future: 1. Only use ?Rec Gas?.? Today?s gasoline/alcohol blends are notorious for poor stability in storage.? Rec Gas has no alcohol in it and is much more shelf stable. 2. Every time you are finished with your motor for the day, disconnect the fuel hose from the engine with it running.? Let it run until the engine stalls from lack of fuel.? A carburetor that?s empty can?t get gunked up with bad fuel. 3.? Any time you are not going to use the boat for a long period of time, like over the winter, take the fuel tank home and use up the gas.? I usually burn the old gas in my snow blower over the winter.? Use fresh Rec Gas in the spring. With these 3 precautions, it?s been many years since I had any issues with bad fuel or my outboard reliability. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Thanks Mike! > > Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min.? It did good on the > main passage around the marina then died.? Your most likely correct it got > clogged. > > The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably wouldn't > have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... > Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . > > > > > >> On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> Congratulations on launching. She looks great! >> >> Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You >> will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I >> purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. >> >> Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the >> winter. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom >> Van Heule >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. >> >> First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. >> >> It was all going nice and smoothly.? We picked a great day 70 degrees >> 5-10kts. >> As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running >> slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? >> >> Hopefully it works this weekend. >> >> What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich?? Seems like , >> when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really >> strengthens the want for an electric.? Much more granular throttle >> control... >> >> Anyways! See you soon, >> Tom and Lea >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 3169103 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edfd8db/attachment.jpg >>> >> >> From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Fri May 14 12:21:52 2021 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 12:21:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And non-ethanol gas is very hard to find if you are in the mid-Atlantic region. We use it in our outboard and all small motors. This website is kept up to date and is very helpful for find ethanol-free gas. https://www.pure-gas.org/ Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall,MD On 5/14/2021 12:13 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Roger is correct.? Although more expensive, alcohol-free gas is the only way to go in marine engines.? It's also helpful to use it in lawn/garden equipment as well. > Don Simons,??Ithaca, NY > On Friday, May 14, 2021, 07:05:11 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Tom, > > Congratulations on getting the boat launched!? Mike is right about having to clean out carburetor.? There are lots of tiny pieces/parts to drop, so don?t do it on the water. > > There are 3 things you can do to stop this sort of thing in the future: > > 1. Only use ?Rec Gas?.? Today?s gasoline/alcohol blends are notorious for poor stability in storage.? Rec Gas has no alcohol in it and is much more shelf stable. > > 2. Every time you are finished with your motor for the day, disconnect the fuel hose from the engine with it running.? Let it run until the engine stalls from lack of fuel.? A carburetor that?s empty can?t get gunked up with bad fuel. > > 3.? Any time you are not going to use the boat for a long period of time, like over the winter, take the fuel tank home and use up the gas.? I usually burn the old gas in my snow blower over the winter.? Use fresh Rec Gas in the spring. > > With these 3 precautions, it?s been many years since I had any issues with bad fuel or my outboard reliability. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> ?Thanks Mike! >> >> Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min.? It did good on the >> main passage around the marina then died.? Your most likely correct it got >> clogged. >> >> The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably wouldn't >> have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... >> Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner >>> wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> Congratulations on launching. She looks great! >>> >>> Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You >>> will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I >>> purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. >>> >>> Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the >>> winter. >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> I?d rather be sailing :~) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom >>> Van Heule >>> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. >>> >>> First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. >>> >>> It was all going nice and smoothly.? We picked a great day 70 degrees >>> 5-10kts. >>> As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running >>> slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? >>> >>> Hopefully it works this weekend. >>> >>> What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich?? Seems like , >>> when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really >>> strengthens the want for an electric.? Much more granular throttle >>> control... >>> >>> Anyways! See you soon, >>> Tom and Lea >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 3169103 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edfd8db/attachment.jpg >>> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Fri May 14 12:37:47 2021 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 12:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That?s a helpful website ? thanks. I also use non-ethanol in my outboard (running it dry each time as Roger suggests). For my car, I try to buy ?Top Tier? gasoline. (https://www.toptiergas.com.) I don?t know whether that makes a difference in outboards, but I figure it can?t hurt, so I try to buy those brands (Shell, etc.) when I can. Frank Goldsmith s/v Mary Bess (1985 Rhodes, refurbished 2001) Asheville, NC and Lake Keowee, SC > On May 14, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > And non-ethanol gas is very hard to find if you are in the mid-Atlantic region. We use it in our outboard and all small motors. > > This website is kept up to date and is very helpful for find ethanol-free gas. > https://www.pure-gas.org/ > > Mary Lou > ex R22 > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > Rock Hall,MD > > On 5/14/2021 12:13 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> Roger is correct. Although more expensive, alcohol-free gas is the only way to go in marine engines. It's also helpful to use it in lawn/garden equipment as well. >> Don Simons, Ithaca, NY >> On Friday, May 14, 2021, 07:05:11 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> Tom, >> >> Congratulations on getting the boat launched! Mike is right about having to clean out carburetor. There are lots of tiny pieces/parts to drop, so don?t do it on the water. >> >> There are 3 things you can do to stop this sort of thing in the future: >> >> 1. Only use ?Rec Gas?. Today?s gasoline/alcohol blends are notorious for poor stability in storage. Rec Gas has no alcohol in it and is much more shelf stable. >> >> 2. Every time you are finished with your motor for the day, disconnect the fuel hose from the engine with it running. Let it run until the engine stalls from lack of fuel. A carburetor that?s empty can?t get gunked up with bad fuel. >> >> 3. Any time you are not going to use the boat for a long period of time, like over the winter, take the fuel tank home and use up the gas. I usually burn the old gas in my snow blower over the winter. Use fresh Rec Gas in the spring. >> >> With these 3 precautions, it?s been many years since I had any issues with bad fuel or my outboard reliability. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>> >>> ?Thanks Mike! >>> >>> Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min. It did good on the >>> main passage around the marina then died. Your most likely correct it got >>> clogged. >>> >>> The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably wouldn't >>> have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... >>> Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Tom, >>>> >>>> Congratulations on launching. She looks great! >>>> >>>> Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You >>>> will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I >>>> purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. >>>> >>>> Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the >>>> winter. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>> I?d rather be sailing :~) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom >>>> Van Heule >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. >>>> >>>> First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. >>>> >>>> It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees >>>> 5-10kts. >>>> As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running >>>> slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? >>>> >>>> Hopefully it works this weekend. >>>> >>>> What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , >>>> when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really >>>> strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle >>>> control... >>>> >>>> Anyways! See you soon, >>>> Tom and Lea >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 3169103 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edfd8db/attachment.jpg >>>> >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 14 13:35:17 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 13:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> <12160192.350193.1621008836733@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01d748e7$828d9100$87a8b300$@ebsmed.com> I prefer electricity in my lawn equipment. Battery power if available. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 12:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. Roger is correct. Although more expensive, alcohol-free gas is the only way to go in marine engines. It's also helpful to use it in lawn/garden equipment as well. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Friday, May 14, 2021, 07:05:11 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Tom, Congratulations on getting the boat launched! Mike is right about having to clean out carburetor. There are lots of tiny pieces/parts to drop, so don?t do it on the water. There are 3 things you can do to stop this sort of thing in the future: 1. Only use ?Rec Gas?. Today?s gasoline/alcohol blends are notorious for poor stability in storage. Rec Gas has no alcohol in it and is much more shelf stable. 2. Every time you are finished with your motor for the day, disconnect the fuel hose from the engine with it running. Let it run until the engine stalls from lack of fuel. A carburetor that?s empty can?t get gunked up with bad fuel. 3. Any time you are not going to use the boat for a long period of time, like over the winter, take the fuel tank home and use up the gas. I usually burn the old gas in my snow blower over the winter. Use fresh Rec Gas in the spring. With these 3 precautions, it?s been many years since I had any issues with bad fuel or my outboard reliability. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Thanks Mike! > > Yeah it did good on the hose during prep for 15 min. It did good on > the main passage around the marina then died. Your most likely > correct it got clogged. > > The best part was that I immediately thought of Stan, who probably > wouldn't have been caught dead with a motor on his boat. At least years ago.... > Just wiggled that massive rudder and finished it in. LoL . > > > > > >> On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner >> >> wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> Congratulations on launching. She looks great! >> >> Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. >> You will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the >> water. I purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. >> >> Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over >> the winter. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Tom Van Heule >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. >> >> First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. >> >> It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees >> 5-10kts. >> As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like >> running slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? >> >> Hopefully it works this weekend. >> >> What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems >> like , when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? >> It really strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular >> throttle control... >> >> Anyways! See you soon, >> Tom and Lea >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 3169103 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edf >> d8db/attachment.jpg >>> >> >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri May 14 14:38:16 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 13:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Luis , I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck on your move. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman wrote: > I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m going > to miss it. > > It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had > time, I would ask for more money. > > I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl > > It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need to > have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the jib > as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is bent > at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already > took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of the > trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before it > was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came off > as it it is supposed to do. > > It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The > motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the battery > charged. > > It has a bimini in good condition. > > I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a > marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for > $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area > with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. > > House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the house. > Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. > > Having mixed feelings while writing this. > > Regards, > > Luis A. 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Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Hey Luis , > I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail > your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck > on your move. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman >> wrote: >> >> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m going >> to miss it. >> >> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had >> time, I would ask for more money. >> >> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl >> >> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need to >> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the jib >> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is bent >> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already >> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of the >> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before it >> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came off >> as it it is supposed to do. >> >> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The >> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the battery >> charged. >> >> It has a bimini in good condition. >> >> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a >> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for >> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area >> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. >> >> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the house. >> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. >> >> Having mixed feelings while writing this. >> >> Regards, >> >> Luis A. 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Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Hey Luis , > I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail > your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck > on your move. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman >> wrote: >> >> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m going >> to miss it. >> >> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had >> time, I would ask for more money. >> >> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl >> >> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need to >> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the jib >> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is bent >> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already >> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of the >> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before it >> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came off >> as it it is supposed to do. >> >> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The >> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the battery >> charged. >> >> It has a bimini in good condition. >> >> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a >> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for >> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area >> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. >> >> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the house. >> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. >> >> Having mixed feelings while writing this. >> >> Regards, >> >> Luis A. 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We have a lot within Club de Golf San Gil which is east of Queretaro, right outside of San Juan del Rio. My father in law is from Guascuaro, Mich which is a tiny town just south of Zamora, On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 3:59 PM Luis Guzman wrote: > Chris, I?m headed to Guadalajara, Mexico. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > ?Hey Luis , > > I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail > > your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck > > on your move. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman > >> wrote: > >> > >> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m > going > >> to miss it. > >> > >> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had > >> time, I would ask for more money. > >> > >> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl > >> > >> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need > to > >> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the > jib > >> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is > bent > >> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already > >> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of > the > >> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before > it > >> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came > off > >> as it it is supposed to do. > >> > >> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The > >> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the > battery > >> charged. > >> > >> It has a bimini in good condition. > >> > >> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a > >> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for > >> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area > >> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. > >> > >> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the > house. > >> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. > >> > >> Having mixed feelings while writing this. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Luis A. 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Available from West marine and elsewhere. On Fri, May 14, 2021, 5:45 AM JeffSmith wrote: > > Do you hate messing with clevis pins and then having to insert a split ring > or a "safety pin" to secure the rigging? > I have 2 hacks which make life easier: > > Quick Release Pin Bimini Top Pin 1/4 Inch Full 316 Stainless Steel (4 pack) > I bought 3 packs > Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" (assorted colors) > > The pins are 1.5" overall, which is too long for my taste so I cut them > down > and drilled a new hole in the shorter version and pop riveted a 6" length > of > the hook and loop tape to the included ring. The cut pins now have a 3/4" > usable space. They are secured 2 ways: by the ball at the end of the pin > and > the tape wraped around the pin and chain plate. Very easy to insert and > remove by the included large split ring. You can buy individual Quick > Release Pins in yor required size (some with 2 balls at the end), but the 4 > pack is much less expensive. > > The second hack is to make pins to keep the shrouds from twisting by > pinning > the turnbuckles. > > 18 Pack of 1/16'x1" SS cotter pins from West Marine (Model # 257956) under > $10.00 > Same Oldhill Fastening Tapes Hook and Loop 1/2" > > Punch a small hole 3/16" from the end of a 3" length of tape and slide one > side of the cotter pin through the hole. clip one side of the cotter pin > even with the end of the tape and the other side 1/4" longer. C. Sherman > Johnson makes a commercial version, but they are $14.00 a pair. > > > > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From koatimundi100 at gmail.com Fri May 14 16:54:55 2021 From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 16:54:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale Message-ID: I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable at 202-821-2679. Peter Klappert s/v Aeolia (2012) *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri May 14 19:50:21 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 18:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale In-Reply-To: <4499CEA2-7D02-4183-B4DD-EA6BD83C7C83@gmail.com> References: <4499CEA2-7D02-4183-B4DD-EA6BD83C7C83@gmail.com> Message-ID: I hope the move is good for you, the sea coast isn?t so far away, so you can still go sailing sometimes. Wish you the best of luck. Chris GeankoplisEnosis On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:58 PM Luis Guzman wrote: > Chris, I?m headed to Guadalajara, Mexico. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > ?Hey Luis , > > I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail > > your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck > > on your move. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman > >> wrote: > >> > >> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m > going > >> to miss it. > >> > >> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had > >> time, I would ask for more money. > >> > >> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl > >> > >> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need > to > >> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the > jib > >> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is > bent > >> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already > >> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of > the > >> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before > it > >> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came > off > >> as it it is supposed to do. > >> > >> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The > >> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the > battery > >> charged. > >> > >> It has a bimini in good condition. > >> > >> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a > >> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for > >> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area > >> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. > >> > >> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the > house. > >> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. > >> > >> Having mixed feelings while writing this. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Luis A. 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We have a lot within Club de Golf > San Gil which is east of Queretaro, right outside of San Juan del Rio. My > father in law is from Guascuaro, Mich which is a tiny town just south of > Zamora, > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 3:59 PM Luis Guzman >> wrote: >> >> Chris, I?m headed to Guadalajara, Mexico. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis >> wrote: >>> >>> ?Hey Luis , >>> I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail >>> your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck >>> on your move. >>> >>> Chris Geankoplis >>> Enosis >>> >>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m >> going >>>> to miss it. >>>> >>>> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had >>>> time, I would ask for more money. >>>> >>>> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl >>>> >>>> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need >> to >>>> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the >> jib >>>> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is >> bent >>>> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already >>>> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of >> the >>>> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before >> it >>>> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came >> off >>>> as it it is supposed to do. >>>> >>>> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The >>>> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the >> battery >>>> charged. >>>> >>>> It has a bimini in good condition. >>>> >>>> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a >>>> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for >>>> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area >>>> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. >>>> >>>> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the >> house. >>>> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. >>>> >>>> Having mixed feelings while writing this. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Luis A. 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Mine, a 3hp equivalent, is underpowered for anything other than leaving and returning to the dock. It was $2k and I am spending $1k for a new battery (that I should have ordered earlier this year ?) that is purported to have more power. They are German built, bullet proof, and have more powerful models. Stan, aka GB, installed a saildrive model in an R22! Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, May 14, 2021, 1:55 PM peter klappert wrote: > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable at > 202-821-2679. > > Peter Klappert > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > From jose.faraldo at gmail.com Fri May 14 20:45:07 2021 From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 20:45:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68F1DB45-47E5-4FC5-8776-EB0967833EB1@gmail.com> Hi Peter, We?ve had a Torqeedo Cruise 4.0R 8 HP for a few years and in terms of power I can?t tell it apart from the Yamaha T9.9 we had before. Evidently it doesn?t compare in terms of range - but on any given day we rarely motor for more than 2-3 hours in total, and there?s plenty of battery to spare after that (I have no numbers to back up that up, sorry). Our chargers are mounted in the galley under the sink and plug plug into 12V sockets identical to the others in the boat. Batteries are under the step as you enter the cabin. Only other con I can see, aside from a more limited range, is upfront cost - especially the batteries, which are heavy too. But maintenance is minimal, and the whole system is extremely dependable. The tiller-motor linkage that Stan provides can be adapted too. In summary, if could go back - I would?ve gotten it sooner. Hope this helps. Jose s/v Steady State > On May 14, 2021, at 8:09 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Peter: > > I have used a Torqeedo 1003 long for the last 10 years on an inland lake. > Mine, a 3hp equivalent, is underpowered for anything other than leaving > and returning to the dock. It was $2k and I am spending $1k for a new > battery (that I should have ordered earlier this year ?) that is purported > to have more power. > > They are German built, bullet proof, and have more powerful models. Stan, > aka GB, installed a saildrive model in an R22! > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021, 1:55 PM peter klappert >> wrote: >> >> I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. >> Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. >> >> I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a >> minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable at >> 202-821-2679. >> >> Peter Klappert >> s/v Aeolia (2012) >> >> >> *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* >> >> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* >> From stan at generalboats.com Fri May 14 20:48:36 2021 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 20:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> Hi Peter, You remember Doc Reuben from Sarasota who tried to hitch a test sail with you.? He ended up with an epropulsion outboard we installed on his Rhodes.? I never got a chance to try it. But by now he knows the good and the bad. You have his email address in your computer.? Can't think of a better reviewer to send you to.? When I told him the best doctors I have run across got an engineering degree first, he raised me by saying he got three engineering degrees before going for his MD. There may be some fodder there for a fresh poem if you are still at it. stan On 5/14/21 4:54 PM, peter klappert wrote: > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable at > 202-821-2679. > > Peter Klappert > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sat May 15 07:49:22 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 04:49:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Can't find Scar Pin on WM search. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat May 15 10:19:54 2021 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 07:19:54 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jeff - For some reason on WM they are called wrap pins. Try a Google search for "scar pin turnbuckle" - smb On Sat, May 15, 2021, 4:49 AM JeffSmith wrote: > Can't find Scar Pin on WM search. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat May 15 10:29:05 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 09:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I think this may be what you are looking for: https://www.westmarine.com/buy/c-sherman-johnson--wrap-pins-for-1-4-turnbuckles-package-of-20--P010071934 They are not cheap but I use them on my boat and they definitely speed up the rigging process. I put PVC pipes over my turnbuckles to prevent the sheets and clue of the genoa getting caught on the stays, and I think it helps make the velcro last longer since it's not exposed to the sun. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 9:20 AM Shawn Boles wrote: > Jeff - For some reason on WM they are called wrap pins. Try a Google > search for "scar pin turnbuckle" - smb > > On Sat, May 15, 2021, 4:49 AM JeffSmith wrote: > > > Can't find Scar Pin on WM search. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Jeff Smith > > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From daysails at aol.com Sat May 15 16:05:55 2021 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 20:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler References: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the right or to the left? Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, May 15, 2021, 3:08 PM daysails--- via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the > right or to the left? > Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3210478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210515/ad13100f/attachment.jpeg > > > From stan at generalboats.com Sat May 15 16:23:40 2021 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 16:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler In-Reply-To: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <078fd9bf-09e9-e027-eaf3-ef5da36eb862@generalboats.com> Joe, it you are standing on the dock, to the right.?? If you are sitting in the boat, to the left.? Anyone with two left hands should know that.? If you are standing (rather than sitting) and bent over looking through your spread legs, then all bets are off. stan On 5/15/21 4:05 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the right or to the left? > Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3210478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From joedempsey at hughes.net Sat May 15 16:26:48 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 13:26:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler In-Reply-To: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1621110408186-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Left. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat May 15 17:18:45 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 14:18:45 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler Message-ID: I agree with Joe. The longest bow of the bimini slopes aft, so the bow of the boat should be to the left. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2021-05-15, at 16:26:48 EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Left. > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: href="http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/">http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat May 15 17:37:22 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 16:37:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler In-Reply-To: <078fd9bf-09e9-e027-eaf3-ef5da36eb862@generalboats.com> References: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> <078fd9bf-09e9-e027-eaf3-ef5da36eb862@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Too funny, Stan. On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:23 PM stan wrote: > > Joe, it you are standing on the dock, to the right. If you are sitting > in the boat, to the left. Anyone with two left hands should know that. > If you are standing (rather than sitting) and bent over looking through > your spread legs, then all bets are off. > > stan > > On 5/15/21 4:05 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the > right or to the left? > > Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3210478 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210515/ad13100f/attachment.jpeg > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 15 19:56:17 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 18:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mike, as I research and for the relevance.... It's easy enough to work on a carb, and it's also 2021.... I do not want to or condone, spilling. And will take much inconvenience to meet this goal. I swapped and serviced carbs on many mowers, chainsaws, power washer, bikes.... I only got.to.do.gear/assembly work at the boat shop, 15 years ago.... Is there some fundamental difference? Parts and features look the same, but I'm only knowledgeable by reading. And I rebuilt many (30+) outboard lowers... Just never did the carb work... I'd think I can NOT spill gas, WHILE cleaning it out. It's a 2017 with probably 15hrs... Indoor heated storage off boat. (And probably a year on its side ). Should not be needing a full service. Really appreciate your input, as well as everyone. Fair winds! Either way we're going to sit on the boat all weekend and move in. On Thu, May 13, 2021, 3:19 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Tom, > > Congratulations on launching. She looks great! > > Outboards that don't like to idle generally have clogged idle jets. You > will need to clean and rebuild the carb, not recommended on the water. I > purchased a spare carb on ebay so that I can easily swap them. > > Even if you run the engine dry in the fall, they tend to gum up over the > winter. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom > Van Heule > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:06 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. > > First time in a slip, first time driving a boat around a marina. > > It was all going nice and smoothly. We picked a great day 70 degrees > 5-10kts. > As I turned down my dock isle the outboard decided it doesn't like running > slow... Maybe it's flooded, maybe last year's gas isn't good? > > Hopefully it works this weekend. > > What do you all do to prevent your 8hp from running to rich? Seems like , > when you don't have any currents to fight, 8hp is a bit much? It really > strengthens the want for an electric. Much more granular throttle > control... > > Anyways! See you soon, > Tom and Lea > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210513_132256.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3169103 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210513/4edfd8db/attachment.jpg > > > > From sea20 at verizon.net Sun May 16 08:00:33 2021 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 08:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <091EC2F0-A510-4E6D-88F6-54B6E3E236A7@verizon.net> A great morning laugh! Thanks Stan Also another of my questions answered that I was reluctant to ask, Scott & Rebecca Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Too funny, Stan. > >> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:23 PM stan wrote: >> >> >> Joe, it you are standing on the dock, to the right. If you are sitting >> in the boat, to the left. Anyone with two left hands should know that. >> If you are standing (rather than sitting) and bent over looking through >> your spread legs, then all bets are off. >> >> stan >> >>> On 5/15/21 4:05 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: >>> Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the >> right or to the left? >>> Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 3210478 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210515/ad13100f/attachment.jpeg >>> >> >> From daysails at aol.com Sun May 16 08:06:30 2021 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 12:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes 22 puzzler In-Reply-To: <078fd9bf-09e9-e027-eaf3-ef5da36eb862@generalboats.com> References: <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2120719313.1145992.1621109156411@mail.yahoo.com> <078fd9bf-09e9-e027-eaf3-ef5da36eb862@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <664377079.1241990.1621166790693@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Stan,You made my eyes water. ?You should start a ?boat talk? show similar to the ?car talk? show that used to be on NPR. ? Thanks for solving the puzzler, the laughs, ?and of course the boat. The new jib you sent looks awesome and is working great! Joes/v Second Wind On Saturday, May 15, 2021, 04:23:42 PM EDT, stan wrote: Joe, it you are standing on the dock, to the right.?? If you are sitting in the boat, to the left.? Anyone with two left hands should know that.? If you are standing (rather than sitting) and bent over looking through your spread legs, then all bets are off. stan On 5/15/21 4:05 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the right or to the left? > Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3210478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Sun May 16 10:30:59 2021 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 10:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, There is a huge lake close by: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chapala It has a Yacht Club and there are quite a few sailboats there. The problem is sending the boat there. I do not have a place there yet as I?m buying some land and having a house built. I did have a house there, and I just sold it. I guess I have to do more research. If nobody buys it in the couple of months, I?ll fix it it up and see if I can send it or maybe tr?iler it there myself. If I sell it, I know that down the road, after the house is ready, I?m going to be looking fir another sailboat. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?I hope the move is good for you, the sea coast isn?t so far away, so you > can still go sailing sometimes. Wish you the best of luck. > Chris GeankoplisEnosis > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:58 PM Luis Guzman >> wrote: >> >> Chris, I?m headed to Guadalajara, Mexico. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis >> wrote: >>> >>> ?Hey Luis , >>> I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to sail >>> your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good luck >>> on your move. >>> >>> Chris Geankoplis >>> Enosis >>> >>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m >> going >>>> to miss it. >>>> >>>> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If had >>>> time, I would ask for more money. >>>> >>>> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl >>>> >>>> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need >> to >>>> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the >> jib >>>> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is >> bent >>>> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I already >>>> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside of >> the >>>> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before >> it >>>> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came >> off >>>> as it it is supposed to do. >>>> >>>> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The >>>> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the >> battery >>>> charged. >>>> >>>> It has a bimini in good condition. >>>> >>>> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has a >>>> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for >>>> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work area >>>> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. >>>> >>>> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the >> house. >>>> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. >>>> >>>> Having mixed feelings while writing this. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Luis A. 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Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2021, at 4:23 PM, stan wrote: > > ? > Joe, it you are standing on the dock, to the right. If you are sitting in the boat, to the left. Anyone with two left hands should know that. If you are standing (rather than sitting) and bent over looking through your spread legs, then all bets are off. > > stan > >> On 5/15/21 4:05 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> Based on this view of the Bimini, should the bow of the boat be to the right or to the left? >> Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 89C2FA02-73C6-4F1B-BB7C-74E2AA524D35.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 3210478 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun May 16 11:10:31 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 10:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I googled earthed the area. From Houston to the lake is maybe 17 hours, around 1100 miles. I often trailered my boat on a single axle trailer from Oregon to Guaymas which was a 24 hour drive. We did it in 2 or 3 days most of the time. I hope you can find a way to keep your boat. Building a new home is a big project so good thoughts toward that endeavor. Chris On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:31 AM Luis Guzman wrote: > Chris, > > > There is a huge lake close by: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chapala > > It has a Yacht Club and there are quite a few sailboats there. The problem > is sending the boat there. I do not have a place there yet as I?m buying > some land and having a house built. I did have a house there, and I just > sold it. > > I guess I have to do more research. If nobody buys it in the couple of > months, I?ll fix it it up and see if I can send it or maybe tr?iler it > there myself. > > If I sell it, I know that down the road, after the house is ready, I?m > going to be looking fir another sailboat. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > ?I hope the move is good for you, the sea coast isn?t so far away, so you > > can still go sailing sometimes. Wish you the best of luck. > > Chris GeankoplisEnosis > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:58 PM Luis Guzman > >> wrote: > >> > >> Chris, I?m headed to Guadalajara, Mexico. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 14, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Hey Luis , > >>> I?m sorry to see you leave the list. I?m glad you had the chance to > sail > >>> your boat, it is a nice sailing area. Where are you headed to? Good > luck > >>> on your move. > >>> > >>> Chris Geankoplis > >>> Enosis > >>> > >>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM Luis Guzman > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I have my boat for sale. $7K. I?m moving out of the country, and I?m > >> going > >>>> to miss it. > >>>> > >>>> It needs some minor work. I do not have the time do do the work, If > had > >>>> time, I would ask for more money. > >>>> > >>>> I?m Located in Bradenton, Fl > >>>> > >>>> It does not have IMF. It has a trailer in good condition. It does need > >> to > >>>> have the wheel bearings replaced. The boat needs a new curler for the > >> jib > >>>> as the tubes of the furling mechanism cracked, and the steel cable is > >> bent > >>>> at the top. It needs bottom paint (I do have the paint ), and I > already > >>>> took off the centerboard cap to paint the centerboard and the inside > of > >> the > >>>> trunk. The last time the mast went down, my helper let go of it before > >> it > >>>> was disconnected, and the bracket that holds the mast to the boat came > >> off > >>>> as it it is supposed to do. > >>>> > >>>> It has a 9HP electric start with battery charger and manual start. The > >>>> motor only has a few hours. It also has a solar panel to keep the > >> battery > >>>> charged. > >>>> > >>>> It has a bimini in good condition. > >>>> > >>>> I?m also selling the house and everything in it. The neighborhood has > a > >>>> marina 1 mile from the house where residents can get a wet slip for > >>>> $3/foot. So, it is $66/month for a Rhodes 22. The marina has a work > area > >>>> with A frames and stands for those who like to work on their own boat. > >>>> > >>>> House is 1400 sql living/1700 sql under roof. asking $320K for the > >> house. > >>>> Just in case somebody wants a Florida home to play in the winter. > >>>> > >>>> Having mixed feelings while writing this. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Luis A. 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07:14:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. Steve ?Slim? Alm S/V Fandango On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that > > correct? > > > > Michael McKay > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >> > >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Mitch, > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>> stopper? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>> still > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled > >>>>> out > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>> will > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>> the > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>> water, > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>> It?s > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Charles > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Mon May 17 08:21:25 2021 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 08:21:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64500475-126A-49A1-B16A-1B4DD2E19E9B@aol.com> Thanks > On May 17, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Steven Alm wrote: > > ?Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for > the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly > and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and > lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward > as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would > lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts > to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind > knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I > know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > > Steve ?Slim? Alm > S/V Fandango >> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >> >> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " >> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >> >> >> Jerry Lowe >> >> >> >> >> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back >>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that >>> correct? >>> >>> Michael McKay >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mitch, >>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit >>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of >>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the >>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of >>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for >>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no >>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>> stopper? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving >>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, >>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>>>> water, >>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon May 17 11:30:11 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: > Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for > the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly > and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and > lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward > as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would > lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts > to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind > knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I > know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > > Steve ?Slim? Alm > S/V Fandango > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > > > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > that > > > correct? > > > > > > Michael McKay > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Mitch, > > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > hit > > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > of > > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > of > > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > for > > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > no > > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > > >>> > > >>> Jerry Lowe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > > >>>> stopper? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > > >>>>> still > > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > pulled > > >>>>> out > > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > > >>>>> will > > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > Moving > > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > > >>>>> Coventry, CT > > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thomas > > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > possible, > > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > out > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > > >>>>>> it > > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > > >>>>>> water, > > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > > >>>>>> It?s > > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Charles > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Mon May 17 11:41:31 2021 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> How can I move forward if bunks are fixed? > On May 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the > tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph > without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: >> >> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for >> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly >> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and >> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward >> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not >> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would >> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts >> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second >> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best >> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing >> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind >> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I >> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and >> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created >> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. >> >> Steve ?Slim? Alm >> S/V Fandango >>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " >>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >>> >>> >>> Jerry Lowe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back >>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is >> that >>>> correct? >>>> >>>> Michael McKay >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitch, >>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't >> hit >>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end >> of >>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the >>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow >> of >>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow >> for >>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is >> no >>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>>> stopper? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are >> pulled >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. >> Moving >>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as >> possible, >>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive >> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>>>>> water, >>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon May 17 11:48:19 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:48:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> References: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> Message-ID: <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> Thomas, This was asked before. The responses are in the rest of the email, below. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:42 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer How can I move forward if bunks are fixed? > On May 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the > tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph > without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: >> >> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed >> it for the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started >> fishtailing wildly and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! >> I took the motor off and lashed it to the trailer tongue and also >> loaded other gear as far forward as possible. That helped. But also, >> when the boat was in the yard (not connected to the vehicle) if I >> climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would lift up. I?m only 165 >> lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts to load the boat >> farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second axle to be >> added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best thousand >> bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing the >> motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind >> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull >> over. I know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine >> did not and others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. >> >> Steve ?Slim? Alm >> S/V Fandango >>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " >>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >>> >>> >>> Jerry Lowe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way >>> back >>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is >> that >>>> correct? >>>> >>>> Michael McKay >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitch, >>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't >> hit >>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull >>>>>> the trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of >>>>>> forward end >> of >>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above >>>>>> the back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and >>>>>> the bow >> of >>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the >>>>>> way back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the >>>>>> bow >> for >>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there >>>>>> is >> no >>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>>> stopper? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat >>>>>>>> is still in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and >>>>>>>> trailer are >> pulled >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>>> will increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a >>>>>>>> problem. >> Moving >>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just >>>>>>>> increases the likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as >> possible, >>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you >>>>>>>>> drive >> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to >>>>>>>>> keep it as close to the front as possible. After you get it >>>>>>>>> out of the water, then you slide the bow bumper back to the >>>>>>>>> boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon May 17 11:48:42 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:48:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> References: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> Message-ID: If you have the trailer Stan provides, it has a sliding bow crutch. If so, pull the crutch all the way forward and winch the boat until you get 100# on the tongue. Then snug the crutch to the bow and lock the crutch in place. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:41 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > How can I move forward if bunks are fixed? > > > On May 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > ?The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the > > tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph > > without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > >> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: > >> > >> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it > for > >> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing > wildly > >> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off > and > >> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far > forward > >> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > >> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue > would > >> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many > attempts > >> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > >> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > >> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > >> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of > mind > >> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull > over. I > >> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > >> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > >> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > >> > >> Steve ?Slim? Alm > >> S/V Fandango > >>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper > " > >>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > >>> > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way > back > >>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > >> that > >>>> correct? > >>>> > >>>> Michael McKay > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mitch, > >>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > >> hit > >>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > >> of > >>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above > the > >>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > >> of > >>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > >> for > >>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > >> no > >>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jerry Lowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>>>>> stopper? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com > >>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>>>>> still > >>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > >> pulled > >>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > >> Moving > >>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > >> possible, > >>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > >> out > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to > keep > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>>>>> water, > >>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>>>>> It?s > >>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Charles > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon May 17 13:20:12 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 10:20:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1621272012910-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Jessie, Do you use 1" PVC? How long? Do you need it primarily for the 175? And in conclusion - on all 6 shrouds? ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rodellner at mac.com Mon May 17 13:26:38 2021 From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 12:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi All We?re with Slim??..added tandem wheels to trailer ourselves (Mr Stan even approved when he saw them!! :) :) ) Made A WORLD of DIFFERENCE in towing to and from Kentucky Lake from Wisconsin! Fair Winds to ALL Rod and Mary Hudson/St Croix River > On May 17, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > > If you have the trailer Stan provides, it has a sliding bow crutch. If so, > pull the crutch all the way forward and winch the boat until you get 100# > on the tongue. Then snug the crutch to the bow and lock the crutch in > place. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:41 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> How can I move forward if bunks are fixed? >> >>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Rick Lange >> wrote: >>> >>> ?The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the >>> tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph >>> without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Rick Lange >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: >>>> >>>> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it >> for >>>> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing >> wildly >>>> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off >> and >>>> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far >> forward >>>> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not >>>> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue >> would >>>> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many >> attempts >>>> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second >>>> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best >>>> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing >>>> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of >> mind >>>> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull >> over. I >>>> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and >>>> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created >>>> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. >>>> >>>> Steve ?Slim? Alm >>>> S/V Fandango >>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper >> " >>>>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way >> back >>>>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is >>>> that >>>>>> correct? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael McKay >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mitch, >>>>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't >>>> hit >>>>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>>>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end >>>> of >>>>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above >> the >>>>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow >>>> of >>>>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>>>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow >>>> for >>>>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is >>>> no >>>>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>>>>> stopper? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg < >> peter at sunnybeeches.com >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are >>>> pulled >>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. >>>> Moving >>>>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as >>>> possible, >>>>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive >>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to >> keep >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>>>>>>> water, >>>>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Mon May 17 16:09:00 2021 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> References: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I apologize for the delay in responding to this thread, but I?ve been traveling (finally took advantage of being vaccinated and it's the first time we?ve seen the grandkids in over a year) As Stan indicated, I had an electric outboard installed on the Rhodes 22 that he rebuilt for me and which was delivered on Dec 22 to me in Sarasota by the team of Nick and Chris Geankoplis. I chose the ePropulsion Navy 3 engine, the E80 battery, a 20 amp charger, and a top mounted remote control (which Stan mounted on the port coming). The E80 battery (which weighs 100 lbs) was placed in the space normally occupied by the 15 gallon water tank and a smaller 5 gallon water tank shoehorned in next to the battery and its charger. This put the battery low and amidships for good weight distribution. The engine, which weighs about 54 lbs was mounted on the usual electric motor mount. I chose the ePropulsion over a Torqueedo because it had better specs at a lower cost for a more or less equivalent system. The ePropulsion Navy 3 is a 3kwatt engine, equivalent to a 6hp gas engine. It weighs 54 lbs and I chose the short shaft version because the distance from the propeller hub to the transom clamp is the same as that distance on a long shaft gasoline outboard. The battery stores ~4.1kwatt-hours and as I mentioned weights 100 lbs. The 20Amp charges will bully charge the battery in ~6 hours. They do sell a 40amp charger that will fully charge in 3 hours What follows are my thoughts after using the engine for about 4 months Pro?s There is little (actually so far no) maintenance. The unit has a brushless DC motor mounted in the pod at the bottom of the shaft where the propeller attaches so it is water cooled and there are no moving parts except the propeller. No fuel or oil is required. I keep the boat in a slip which has a 120 volt outlet nearby and so simply plug it in after each sail. You have to remember to unplug it before leaving the slip for a sail. There is good weight distribution with a 54 lb engine at the transom and a 100 lb battery low and amidships The engine will push the boat at hull speed -~6knots - at least in flat water without much wind. It seems to have reasonable range - about 5 hours at 4 knots. It will run longer at lower speeds or less at higher speed for an effective range of about 20 miles, about what you?d get with 3 gallons of gas on a gasoline outboard. But to be honest I have not actually tested the full range and I?m reporting what the computer in the remote throttle control reports I would get if I pushed it all the way. The remote throttle is a pleasure to use, nicely at hand and displays speed and time/distance remaining at the current speed. Cons It is expensive compared to a gasoline outboard. My total coast was a bit under $5,000 and it would have been worse but Stan passed on to me what the distributor charged him. The biggest problem is that service and support is non-existent. The company is based in China. There are no service personnel in the US. There is no parts depot in the US. The East Coast distributor is Mack-Boring, whose main business is distributing and servicing Yanmar diesel engines. I purchased my unit from Mastry, located in St. Petersburg, who also mostly deals in Yanmar engines but also handles ePropulsion and Torqueedo engines. The salespeople at both Mastry and Mack-Boring have been very nice and tried to answer some of my questions, but they are not service people and have no resources in terms of parts or engineering support. A few cables were missing in my original delivery and it took a month to have it shipped to me from China. I expect that as the ePropulsion equipment becomes more popular in this country they will start stocking parts in the US and perhaps even open a service office, but that's really just a hope on my part. There is no equivalent of a friction control to keep the engine from turning. When I?m using the Rhodes tiller to steer the boat I?d like the engine direction to be fixed (with the prop pointing aft) but there is no mechanism to do that. They do sell a ?locking arm? which is sort of a U-bolt, about 10? long that extends from the starboard side of the engine mount and does lock the engine but unfortunately it interferes with the rudder and limits its range?.its a very kludgy design. There is a tiller that can be attached to the engine but it can only angle up ~70 degrees from the horizontal and with the engine lowered it would have to angle up nearly 90 degrees to clear the transom. I plan to fix a tiller mount to the top of the engine, sort of how Stan affixes his rudder to outboard engine coupling, to give me better control of the engine direction..It would be particularly useful when trying to steer in reverse. The propeller has only two blades and there are no options for a 3 or 4 blade propellor. From my meager understanding of propellers I would think that the efficiency of the engine could be improved by a better propeller. The bottom line is that I don?t really think the company had sailboats in mind when they designed the engine. So...If I had it to do over again I don?t think I?d choose an electric outboard again. You can get a new 9.9hp gas outboard with electric start that weighs about 90 lbs for about $2,500 (e.g. Tohatsu). I would imagine the savings in the cost of the engine would pay for at least a few years worth of maintenance. Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota Cell: 410-499-8922 On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:48 PM stan wrote: > Hi Peter, You remember Doc Reuben from Sarasota who tried to hitch a > test sail with you. He ended up with an epropulsion outboard we > installed on his Rhodes. I never got a chance to try it. But by now he > knows the good and the bad. You have his email address in your > computer. Can't think of a better reviewer to send you to. When I told > him the best doctors I have run across got an engineering degree first, > he raised me by saying he got three engineering degrees before going for > his MD. There may be some fodder there for a fresh poem if you are still > at it. > > stan > > > On 5/14/21 4:54 PM, peter klappert wrote: > > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a > > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable > at > > 202-821-2679. > > > > Peter Klappert > > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > From tvpolise at aol.com Mon May 17 21:51:18 2021 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 21:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63955B8F-62FB-47D4-AEF7-245A3F46A1E5@aol.com> Did you do it yourself or bring to trailer outfit? > On May 17, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Hi All > > We?re with Slim??..added tandem wheels to trailer ourselves (Mr Stan even approved when he saw them!! :) :) ) Made A WORLD of DIFFERENCE in towing to and from Kentucky Lake from Wisconsin! > > Fair Winds to ALL > > Rod and Mary > > Hudson/St Croix River > >> On May 17, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Rick Lange wrote: >> >> If you have the trailer Stan provides, it has a sliding bow crutch. If so, >> pull the crutch all the way forward and winch the boat until you get 100# >> on the tongue. Then snug the crutch to the bow and lock the crutch in >> place. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick Lange >> >> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:41 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>> How can I move forward if bunks are fixed? >>> >>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Rick Lange >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?The boat needs to be forward enough on the trailer to put 100# on the >>>> tongue. That will allow a single axle trailer to be towed up to 65mph >>>> without fishtailing with a rear axle drive vehicle. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Rick Lange >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:14 AM Steven Alm wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it >>> for >>>>> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing >>> wildly >>>>> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off >>> and >>>>> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far >>> forward >>>>> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not >>>>> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue >>> would >>>>> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many >>> attempts >>>>> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second >>>>> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best >>>>> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing >>>>> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of >>> mind >>>>> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull >>> over. I >>>>> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and >>>>> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created >>>>> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. >>>>> >>>>> Steve ?Slim? Alm >>>>> S/V Fandango >>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper >>> " >>>>>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way >>> back >>>>>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is >>>>> that >>>>>>> correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael McKay >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mitch, >>>>>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't >>>>> hit >>>>>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>>>>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end >>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above >>> the >>>>>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow >>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>>>>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow >>>>> for >>>>>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is >>>>> no >>>>>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>>>>>> stopper? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg < >>> peter at sunnybeeches.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are >>>>> pulled >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. >>>>> Moving >>>>>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as >>>>> possible, >>>>>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive >>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to >>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>>>>>>>> water, >>>>>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 18 00:42:14 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 00:42:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need to be moved to achieve a proper balance? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steven Alm Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. Steve ?Slim? Alm S/V Fandango On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that > > correct? > > > > Michael McKay > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >> > >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Mitch, > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>> stopper? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>> still > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled > >>>>> out > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>> will > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>> the > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>> water, > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>> It?s > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Charles > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > From pbryanriley at gmail.com Tue May 18 08:15:07 2021 From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 08:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> Message-ID: I definitely want to hear the answer to Graham's question so standing by for that just adding my two cents. I have the same problem getting far enough forward. As said previously the stern floats freely then when you pull the trailer forward that rocks the bow up but also back away from the stop. I have found this is highly dependent on how steep the ramp is. Steeper ramp means more problems. Also, the carpet on my bunks is too sticky, once the boat lays down on it I can't pull it forward with the winch without fear of pulling out the bow eye. On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 1:05 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a > matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need > to be moved to achieve a proper balance? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Steven Alm > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for > the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly > and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and > lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward > as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would > lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts > to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind > knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I > know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > > Steve ?Slim? Alm > S/V Fandango > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > > > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > that > > > correct? > > > > > > Michael McKay > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Mitch, > > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > hit > > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > of > > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > of > > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > for > > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > no > > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > > >>> > > >>> Jerry Lowe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > > >>>> stopper? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > > >>>>> still > > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > pulled > > >>>>> out > > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > > >>>>> will > > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > Moving > > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > > >>>>> Coventry, CT > > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thomas > > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > possible, > > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > out > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > > >>>>>> it > > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > > >>>>>> water, > > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > > >>>>>> It?s > > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Charles > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > From forg3d at gmail.com Tue May 18 08:30:15 2021 From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 07:30:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under seat storage In-Reply-To: References: <1617218393088-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1617333488516-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9C2D968D-2BF1-44D5-8B37-544EEB0589B5@gmail.com> Very nice. > On Apr 2, 2021, at 7:25 PM, John Keyser wrote: > > Hi Mike, > I installed a set of retaining bars, and they've worked well so far. Just some PVC boards and SS screws. The PVC is flexible enough to take the curve of the cockpit floor. I ended up putting a quick release pin through each end to keep the bar in place. Here's a few pictures: > John > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike McKay > Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:18 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under seat storage > > Thanks Chris! > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108551 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119008 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144916.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 148269 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144916.jpg > URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue May 18 08:30:43 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:30:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> , <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, The position of the boat on the bunks isn?t going to change. The second axle, wheels, tires, and leaf springs only add a few hundred lbs and it?s mostly unsprung weight down low. Let?s define the trailer coupling ball as the center of rotation. Now, think about the radius of pitching (i.e. up & down) of the trailer wheels relative to the trailer coupling. In order to have the tongue weight like it is now, but with tandem wheels, that pitch radius needs to be the same. You also want the tandem wheels to share the load equally. Therefore, you want the centers of the tandem wheels to be equidistant ahead of and behind the location of the present single wheels with a few inches of tire separation clearance. Trailer brakes should go on the front wheels because the front wheels will tend to get more heavily loaded during a panic stop. If your present single axle trailer is not stable at highway speeds; then, now would be good time to add more tongue weight by shifting the axles aft slightly. Don?t go overboard here, a couple of inches would add a lot of tongue weight and make a huge difference. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 1:05 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need to be moved to achieve a proper balance? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steven Alm Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. Steve ?Slim? Alm S/V Fandango On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that > > correct? > > > > Michael McKay > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >> > >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Mitch, > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>> stopper? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>> still > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled > >>>>> out > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>> will > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>> the > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>> water, > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>> It?s > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Charles > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > From mark at whipplefamily.com Tue May 18 10:10:52 2021 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage Message-ID: The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? Thanks, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 10:34:21 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 09:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The container store has a weather sealed bin. I measured but don't recall. I get there of them to fit with foot room on the starboard side and 2 port. I dump them inside when locking up. I'll find the exact part.... On Tue, May 18, 2021, 9:11 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats reminded > me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone > mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I > can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, > 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 18 13:33:20 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 13:33:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b901d74c0b$e6b40e30$b41c2a90$@ca> That is what I use and have never seen the need for a restraining system. You can get three of then under each size and that provides a lot of dry storage. They stay in place even when heeled over as far as I would ever care to go. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? Thanks, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 13:34:05 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 18, 2021, 9:34 AM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > The container store has a weather sealed bin. I measured but don't recall. > I get there of them to fit with foot room on the starboard side and 2 > port. I dump them inside when locking up. > > I'll find the exact part.... > > On Tue, May 18, 2021, 9:11 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > >> The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats reminded >> me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone >> mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I >> can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, >> 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. >> >> What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> Boston, MA >> >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot_20210518-093947__01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 117287 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 18 13:43:00 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> Message-ID: <00ba01d74c0d$40457aa0$c0d06fe0$@ca> Re: PBR's comment: That is the same problem I have. When I come up the ramp the stern lowers and seems to put enormous pressure on the front of the bunks. My boat now has permanent "dents" in the hull where the front braces for the bunks are located. Stan says these older boats had very thn scantlings and that later boats built by him are much less suseptable to deforming. I have wondered about rigging something like tie down straps attached to the stern rings ans some place forward on the trailer where I might winch the boat forward those last few inches without using the bow efy and having a downward pressure on the bow. Has anyone done something like this? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of PBR Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer I definitely want to hear the answer to Graham's question so standing by for that just adding my two cents. I have the same problem getting far enough forward. As said previously the stern floats freely then when you pull the trailer forward that rocks the bow up but also back away from the stop. I have found this is highly dependent on how steep the ramp is. Steeper ramp means more problems. Also, the carpet on my bunks is too sticky, once the boat lays down on it I can't pull it forward with the winch without fear of pulling out the bow eye. On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 1:05 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a > matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need > to be moved to achieve a proper balance? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Steven Alm > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for > the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly > and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and > lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward > as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would > lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts > to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind > knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I > know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > > Steve ?Slim? Alm > S/V Fandango > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > > > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > that > > > correct? > > > > > > Michael McKay > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Mitch, > > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > hit > > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > of > > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > of > > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > for > > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > no > > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > > >>> > > >>> Jerry Lowe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > > >>>> stopper? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > > >>>>> still > > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > pulled > > >>>>> out > > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > > >>>>> will > > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > Moving > > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > > >>>>> Coventry, CT > > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thomas > > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > possible, > > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > out > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > > >>>>>> it > > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > > >>>>>> water, > > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > > >>>>>> It?s > > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Charles > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Tue May 18 14:23:32 2021 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:23:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <00ba01d74c0d$40457aa0$c0d06fe0$@ca> References: <00ba01d74c0d$40457aa0$c0d06fe0$@ca> Message-ID: Im wondering why an expensive ( i recently paid around $4500 for this) ?custom? trailer by Triad isn?t designed to work properly. I was told by Mike from Triad that everything is fine and that I shouldn?t be towing with engine on rear of boat. I have a 9.9 Yamaha and there is no way I?m easily moving that around. I was really disappointed with his response. > On May 18, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Re: PBR's comment: That is the same problem I have. When I come up the ramp the stern lowers and seems to put enormous pressure on the front of the bunks. My boat now has permanent "dents" in the hull where the front braces for the bunks are located. Stan says these older boats had very thn scantlings and that later boats built by him are much less suseptable to deforming. I have wondered about rigging something like tie down straps attached to the stern rings ans some place forward on the trailer where I might winch the boat forward those last few inches without using the bow efy and having a downward pressure on the bow. Has anyone done something like this? > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of PBR > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > I definitely want to hear the answer to Graham's question so standing by > for that just adding my two cents. > > I have the same problem getting far enough forward. As said previously the > stern floats freely then when you pull the trailer forward that rocks the > bow up but also back away from the stop. I have found this is highly > dependent on how steep the ramp is. Steeper ramp means more problems. > Also, the carpet on my bunks is too sticky, once the boat lays down on it I > can't pull it forward with the winch without fear of pulling out the bow > eye. > >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 1:05 AM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a >> matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need >> to be moved to achieve a proper balance? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of Steven Alm >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >> >> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for >> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly >> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and >> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward >> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not >> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would >> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts >> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second >> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best >> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing >> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind >> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I >> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and >> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created >> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. >> >> Steve ?Slim? Alm >> S/V Fandango >>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " >>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . >>> >>> >>> Jerry Lowe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back >>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is >> that >>>> correct? >>>> >>>> Michael McKay >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitch, >>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't >> hit >>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the >>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end >> of >>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the >>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow >> of >>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way >>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. >>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow >> for >>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is >> no >>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow >>>>>>> stopper? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. >>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are >> pulled >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. >> Moving >>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thomas >>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as >> possible, >>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive >> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the >>>>>>>>> water, >>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. >>>>>>>>> It?s >>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 14:23:52 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 13:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Thanks Reuben. Great write up/recount. To add fwiw... 6gal of gas is also about 45lbs. I'd prefer the gas be opposite the engine for the balance. (8hp 4.strike.is about 89lbs?) I personally like low maintenance, a lot. I am finding myself more energy/pollutant conscious as time goes on. I still grill steaks. Fair winds , all, On Mon, May 17, 2021, 3:09 PM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > I apologize for the delay in responding to this thread, but I?ve been > traveling (finally took advantage of being vaccinated and it's the first > time we?ve seen the grandkids in over a year) > > As Stan indicated, I had an electric outboard installed on the Rhodes 22 > that he rebuilt for me and which was delivered on Dec 22 to me in Sarasota > by the team of Nick and Chris Geankoplis. > > I chose the ePropulsion Navy 3 engine, the E80 battery, a 20 amp charger, > and a top mounted remote control (which Stan mounted on the port coming). > The E80 battery (which weighs 100 lbs) was placed in the space normally > occupied by the 15 gallon water tank and a smaller 5 gallon water tank > shoehorned in next to the battery and its charger. This put the battery low > and amidships for good weight distribution. The engine, which weighs about > 54 lbs was mounted on the usual electric motor mount. > > I chose the ePropulsion over a Torqueedo because it had better specs at a > lower cost for a more or less equivalent system. > > The ePropulsion Navy 3 is a 3kwatt engine, equivalent to a 6hp gas engine. > It weighs 54 lbs and I chose the short shaft version because the distance > from the propeller hub to the transom clamp is the same as that distance on > a long shaft gasoline outboard. The battery stores ~4.1kwatt-hours and as I > mentioned weights 100 lbs. The 20Amp charges will bully charge the battery > in ~6 hours. They do sell a 40amp charger that will fully charge in 3 hours > > What follows are my thoughts after using the engine for about 4 months > > Pro?s > > There is little (actually so far no) maintenance. The unit has a brushless > DC motor mounted in the pod at the bottom of the shaft where the propeller > attaches so it is water cooled and there are no moving parts except the > propeller. > > No fuel or oil is required. I keep the boat in a slip which has a 120 volt > outlet nearby and so simply plug it in after each sail. You have to > remember to unplug it before leaving the slip for a sail. > > There is good weight distribution with a 54 lb engine at the transom and a > 100 lb battery low and amidships > > The engine will push the boat at hull speed -~6knots - at least in flat > water without much wind. > > It seems to have reasonable range - about 5 hours at 4 knots. It will run > longer at lower speeds or less at higher speed for an effective range of > about 20 miles, about what you?d get with 3 gallons of gas on a gasoline > outboard. But to be honest I have not actually tested the full range and > I?m reporting what the computer in the remote throttle control reports I > would get if I pushed it all the way. > > The remote throttle is a pleasure to use, nicely at hand and displays speed > and time/distance remaining at the current speed. > > > Cons > > It is expensive compared to a gasoline outboard. My total coast was a bit > under $5,000 and it would have been worse but Stan passed on to me what the > distributor charged him. > > > The biggest problem is that service and support is non-existent. The > company is based in China. There are no service personnel in the US. There > is no parts depot in the US. The East Coast distributor is Mack-Boring, > whose main business is distributing and servicing Yanmar diesel engines. I > purchased my unit from Mastry, located in St. Petersburg, who also mostly > deals in Yanmar engines but also handles ePropulsion and Torqueedo > engines. The salespeople at both Mastry and Mack-Boring have been very nice > and tried to answer some of my questions, but they are not service people > and have no resources in terms of parts or engineering support. A few > cables were missing in my original delivery and it took a month to have it > shipped to me from China. I expect that as the ePropulsion equipment > becomes more popular in this country they will start stocking parts in the > US and perhaps even open a service office, but that's really just a hope on > my part. > > There is no equivalent of a friction control to keep the engine from > turning. When I?m using the Rhodes tiller to steer the boat I?d like the > engine direction to be fixed (with the prop pointing aft) but there is no > mechanism to do that. They do sell a ?locking arm? which is sort of a > U-bolt, about 10? long that extends from the starboard side of the engine > mount and does lock the engine but unfortunately it interferes with the > rudder and limits its range?.its a very kludgy design. > > There is a tiller that can be attached to the engine but it can only angle > up ~70 degrees from the horizontal and with the engine lowered it would > have to angle up nearly 90 degrees to clear the transom. I plan to fix a > tiller mount to the top of the engine, sort of how Stan affixes his rudder > to outboard engine coupling, to give me better control of the engine > direction..It would be particularly useful when trying to steer in reverse. > > The propeller has only two blades and there are no options for a 3 or 4 > blade propellor. From my meager understanding of propellers I would think > that the efficiency of the engine could be improved by a better propeller. > > The bottom line is that I don?t really think the company had sailboats in > mind when they designed the engine. > > So...If I had it to do over again I don?t think I?d choose an electric > outboard again. You can get a new 9.9hp gas outboard with electric start > that weighs about 90 lbs for about $2,500 (e.g. Tohatsu). I would imagine > the savings in the cost of the engine would pay for at least a few years > worth of maintenance. > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:48 PM stan wrote: > > > Hi Peter, You remember Doc Reuben from Sarasota who tried to hitch a > > test sail with you. He ended up with an epropulsion outboard we > > installed on his Rhodes. I never got a chance to try it. But by now he > > knows the good and the bad. You have his email address in your > > computer. Can't think of a better reviewer to send you to. When I told > > him the best doctors I have run across got an engineering degree first, > > he raised me by saying he got three engineering degrees before going for > > his MD. There may be some fodder there for a fresh poem if you are still > > at it. > > > > stan > > > > > > On 5/14/21 4:54 PM, peter klappert wrote: > > > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > > > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > > > > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it needs a > > > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and reachable > > at > > > 202-821-2679. > > > > > > Peter Klappert > > > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 14:28:23 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 13:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01d74c0d$40457aa0$c0d06fe0$@ca> Message-ID: Tom, I hear your frustrations. Keep in mind there are almost limitless engines that could be mounted... I guess that the trailer was designed with some/none weight on the transom. I had no issues last year when I got the boat far enough forward. And never any issues with the rudder and motor taken off. We did 75-85mph with no transom weight from OR to WI. I shoot for 300lbs of tounge.. I think my boat is "big boned" lol On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:23 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Im wondering why an expensive ( i recently paid around $4500 for this) > ?custom? trailer by Triad isn?t designed to work properly. I was told by > Mike from Triad that everything is fine and that I shouldn?t be towing with > engine on rear of boat. I have a 9.9 Yamaha and there is no way I?m easily > moving that around. I was really disappointed with his response. > > > On May 18, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > > > ?Re: PBR's comment: That is the same problem I have. When I come up the > ramp the stern lowers and seems to put enormous pressure on the front of > the bunks. My boat now has permanent "dents" in the hull where the front > braces for the bunks are located. Stan says these older boats had very thn > scantlings and that later boats built by him are much less suseptable to > deforming. I have wondered about rigging something like tie down straps > attached to the stern rings ans some place forward on the trailer where I > might winch the boat forward those last few inches without using the bow > efy and having a downward pressure on the bow. Has anyone done something > like this? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of PBR > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:15 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > I definitely want to hear the answer to Graham's question so standing by > > for that just adding my two cents. > > > > I have the same problem getting far enough forward. As said previously > the > > stern floats freely then when you pull the trailer forward that rocks the > > bow up but also back away from the stop. I have found this is highly > > dependent on how steep the ramp is. Steeper ramp means more problems. > > Also, the carpet on my bunks is too sticky, once the boat lays down on > it I > > can't pull it forward with the winch without fear of pulling out the bow > > eye. > > > >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 1:05 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > >> > >> I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a > >> matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels > need > >> to be moved to achieve a proper balance? > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >> Kingston Ontario > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > >> Of Steven Alm > >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >> > >> Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it > for > >> the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing > wildly > >> and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off > and > >> lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far > forward > >> as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > >> connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue > would > >> lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many > attempts > >> to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > >> axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > >> thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > >> the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of > mind > >> knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull > over. I > >> know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > >> others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > >> equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > >> > >> Steve ?Slim? Alm > >> S/V Fandango > >>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper > " > >>> arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > >>> > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way > back > >>>> you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > >> that > >>>> correct? > >>>> > >>>> Michael McKay > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mitch, > >>>>>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > >> hit > >>>>>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>>>>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > >> of > >>>>>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above > the > >>>>>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > >> of > >>>>>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>>>>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>>>>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > >> for > >>>>>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > >> no > >>>>>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jerry Lowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>>>>> stopper? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com > >>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>>>>> still > >>>>>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > >> pulled > >>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > >> Moving > >>>>>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > >> possible, > >>>>>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > >> out > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to > keep > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>>>>> water, > >>>>>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>>>>> It?s > >>>>>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Charles > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue May 18 14:40:37 2021 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:40:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:24 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Thanks Reuben. Great write up/recount. > To add fwiw... 6gal of gas is also about 45lbs. I'd prefer the gas be > opposite the engine for the balance. (8hp 4.strike.is about 89lbs?) > > I personally like low maintenance, a lot. > I am finding myself more energy/pollutant conscious as time goes on. I > still grill steaks. > > Fair winds , all, > > On Mon, May 17, 2021, 3:09 PM Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > I apologize for the delay in responding to this thread, but I?ve been > > traveling (finally took advantage of being vaccinated and it's the first > > time we?ve seen the grandkids in over a year) > > > > As Stan indicated, I had an electric outboard installed on the Rhodes 22 > > that he rebuilt for me and which was delivered on Dec 22 to me in > Sarasota > > by the team of Nick and Chris Geankoplis. > > > > I chose the ePropulsion Navy 3 engine, the E80 battery, a 20 amp charger, > > and a top mounted remote control (which Stan mounted on the port coming). > > The E80 battery (which weighs 100 lbs) was placed in the space normally > > occupied by the 15 gallon water tank and a smaller 5 gallon water tank > > shoehorned in next to the battery and its charger. This put the battery > low > > and amidships for good weight distribution. The engine, which weighs > about > > 54 lbs was mounted on the usual electric motor mount. > > > > I chose the ePropulsion over a Torqueedo because it had better specs at a > > lower cost for a more or less equivalent system. > > > > The ePropulsion Navy 3 is a 3kwatt engine, equivalent to a 6hp gas > engine. > > It weighs 54 lbs and I chose the short shaft version because the distance > > from the propeller hub to the transom clamp is the same as that distance > on > > a long shaft gasoline outboard. The battery stores ~4.1kwatt-hours and > as I > > mentioned weights 100 lbs. The 20Amp charges will bully charge the > battery > > in ~6 hours. They do sell a 40amp charger that will fully charge in 3 > hours > > > > What follows are my thoughts after using the engine for about 4 months > > > > Pro?s > > > > There is little (actually so far no) maintenance. The unit has a > brushless > > DC motor mounted in the pod at the bottom of the shaft where the > propeller > > attaches so it is water cooled and there are no moving parts except the > > propeller. > > > > No fuel or oil is required. I keep the boat in a slip which has a 120 > volt > > outlet nearby and so simply plug it in after each sail. You have to > > remember to unplug it before leaving the slip for a sail. > > > > There is good weight distribution with a 54 lb engine at the transom and > a > > 100 lb battery low and amidships > > > > The engine will push the boat at hull speed -~6knots - at least in flat > > water without much wind. > > > > It seems to have reasonable range - about 5 hours at 4 knots. It will run > > longer at lower speeds or less at higher speed for an effective range of > > about 20 miles, about what you?d get with 3 gallons of gas on a gasoline > > outboard. But to be honest I have not actually tested the full range and > > I?m reporting what the computer in the remote throttle control reports I > > would get if I pushed it all the way. > > > > The remote throttle is a pleasure to use, nicely at hand and displays > speed > > and time/distance remaining at the current speed. > > > > > > Cons > > > > It is expensive compared to a gasoline outboard. My total coast was a bit > > under $5,000 and it would have been worse but Stan passed on to me what > the > > distributor charged him. > > > > > > The biggest problem is that service and support is non-existent. The > > company is based in China. There are no service personnel in the US. > There > > is no parts depot in the US. The East Coast distributor is Mack-Boring, > > whose main business is distributing and servicing Yanmar diesel engines. > I > > purchased my unit from Mastry, located in St. Petersburg, who also mostly > > deals in Yanmar engines but also handles ePropulsion and Torqueedo > > engines. The salespeople at both Mastry and Mack-Boring have been very > nice > > and tried to answer some of my questions, but they are not service people > > and have no resources in terms of parts or engineering support. A few > > cables were missing in my original delivery and it took a month to have > it > > shipped to me from China. I expect that as the ePropulsion equipment > > becomes more popular in this country they will start stocking parts in > the > > US and perhaps even open a service office, but that's really just a hope > on > > my part. > > > > There is no equivalent of a friction control to keep the engine from > > turning. When I?m using the Rhodes tiller to steer the boat I?d like the > > engine direction to be fixed (with the prop pointing aft) but there is no > > mechanism to do that. They do sell a ?locking arm? which is sort of a > > U-bolt, about 10? long that extends from the starboard side of the engine > > mount and does lock the engine but unfortunately it interferes with the > > rudder and limits its range?.its a very kludgy design. > > > > There is a tiller that can be attached to the engine but it can only > angle > > up ~70 degrees from the horizontal and with the engine lowered it would > > have to angle up nearly 90 degrees to clear the transom. I plan to fix a > > tiller mount to the top of the engine, sort of how Stan affixes his > rudder > > to outboard engine coupling, to give me better control of the engine > > direction..It would be particularly useful when trying to steer in > reverse. > > > > The propeller has only two blades and there are no options for a 3 or 4 > > blade propellor. From my meager understanding of propellers I would think > > that the efficiency of the engine could be improved by a better > propeller. > > > > The bottom line is that I don?t really think the company had sailboats in > > mind when they designed the engine. > > > > So...If I had it to do over again I don?t think I?d choose an electric > > outboard again. You can get a new 9.9hp gas outboard with electric start > > that weighs about 90 lbs for about $2,500 (e.g. Tohatsu). I would imagine > > the savings in the cost of the engine would pay for at least a few years > > worth of maintenance. > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:48 PM stan wrote: > > > > > Hi Peter, You remember Doc Reuben from Sarasota who tried to hitch a > > > test sail with you. He ended up with an epropulsion outboard we > > > installed on his Rhodes. I never got a chance to try it. But by now he > > > knows the good and the bad. You have his email address in your > > > computer. Can't think of a better reviewer to send you to. When I > told > > > him the best doctors I have run across got an engineering degree first, > > > he raised me by saying he got three engineering degrees before going > for > > > his MD. There may be some fodder there for a fresh poem if you are > still > > > at it. > > > > > > stan > > > > > > > > > On 5/14/21 4:54 PM, peter klappert wrote: > > > > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > > > > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > > > > > > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it > needs a > > > > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and > reachable > > > at > > > > 202-821-2679. > > > > > > > > Peter Klappert > > > > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > > > > > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > > > > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 18 13:30:59 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 13:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> Message-ID: <00b801d74c0b$92891e90$b79b5bb0$@ca> Thanks Roger. That is very helpful. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:31 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Graham, The position of the boat on the bunks isn?t going to change. The second axle, wheels, tires, and leaf springs only add a few hundred lbs and it?s mostly unsprung weight down low. Let?s define the trailer coupling ball as the center of rotation. Now, think about the radius of pitching (i.e. up & down) of the trailer wheels relative to the trailer coupling. In order to have the tongue weight like it is now, but with tandem wheels, that pitch radius needs to be the same. You also want the tandem wheels to share the load equally. Therefore, you want the centers of the tandem wheels to be equidistant ahead of and behind the location of the present single wheels with a few inches of tire separation clearance. Trailer brakes should go on the front wheels because the front wheels will tend to get more heavily loaded during a panic stop. If your present single axle trailer is not stable at highway speeds; then, now would be good time to add more tongue weight by shifting the axles aft slightly. Don?t go overboard here, a couple of inches would add a lot of tongue weight and make a huge difference. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 1:05 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need to be moved to achieve a proper balance? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steven Alm Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. Steve ?Slim? Alm S/V Fandango On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is that > > correct? > > > > Michael McKay > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > >> > >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > >>> > >>> Mitch, > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't hit > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end of > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow of > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow for > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is no > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > >>> > >>> Jerry Lowe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > >>>> stopper? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > >>>>> still > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are pulled > >>>>> out > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > >>>>> will > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. Moving > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > >>>>> the > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thomas > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as possible, > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > >>>>>> water, > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > >>>>>> It?s > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Charles > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue May 18 15:06:52 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 15:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <00b801d74c0b$92891e90$b79b5bb0$@ca> References: <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <008f01d74ba0$2e13f770$8a3be650$@ca> <00b801d74c0b$92891e90$b79b5bb0$@ca> Message-ID: One thing about Stan's trailer is that it doesn't have a simple bow stopper, but a deep V-shaped bow crutch. The crutch keeps the bow in place when you hit a deep pothole or have a fender bender. Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:00 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Thanks Roger. That is very helpful. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:31 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Graham, > > The position of the boat on the bunks isn?t going to change. The second > axle, wheels, tires, and leaf springs only add a few hundred lbs and it?s > mostly unsprung weight down low. Let?s define the trailer coupling ball as > the center of rotation. Now, think about the radius of pitching (i.e. up & > down) of the trailer wheels relative to the trailer coupling. In order to > have the tongue weight like it is now, but with tandem wheels, that pitch > radius needs to be the same. You also want the tandem wheels to share the > load equally. Therefore, you want the centers of the tandem wheels to be > equidistant ahead of and behind the location of the present single wheels > with a few inches of tire separation clearance. Trailer brakes should go > on the front wheels because the front wheels will tend to get more heavily > loaded during a panic stop. If your present single axle trailer is not > stable at highway speeds; then, now would be good time to add more tongue > weight by shifting the axles aft slightly. Don?t go overboard here, a > couple of inches would add a lot of tongue weight and make a huge > difference. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 1:05 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > I am wondering what all is involved in adding another axel. Is it just a > matter of placing a secod axel behind the current one or do both axels need > to be moved to achieve a proper balance? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Steven Alm > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Thomas, when I first bought my boat a quarter century ago and towed it for > the first time, as soon as I hit 45mph the boat started fishtailing wildly > and jerking the vehicle like crazy. Scary as h*ll! I took the motor off and > lashed it to the trailer tongue and also loaded other gear as far forward > as possible. That helped. But also, when the boat was in the yard (not > connected to the vehicle) if I climbed the boarding ladder the tongue would > lift up. I?m only 165 lbs! After a couple years of this and many attempts > to load the boat farther up on the trailer I finally popped for a second > axle to be added to the trailer. I added electric breaks too. Best > thousand bucks I ever spent! It now tracks like a dream without removing > the motor, shifting gear or anything else. It also gives me peace of mind > knowing that if I blow a tire or burn a bearing I can safely pull over. I > know some R22s tow just fine on single axle rigs but mine did not and > others, like you have had the same problem. Not all trailers are created > equal. If you plan to do much trailering I highly recommend this fix. > > Steve ?Slim? Alm > S/V Fandango > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM wrote: > > > Yes, I can see how I could have worded it better. You want the stopper " > > arm" pushed all the way toward the tow vehicle . > > > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, when you say the bow stopper has to be all the way back > > > you mean it should be retracted towards the front of the trailer?is > that > > > correct? > > > > > > Michael McKay > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Makes sense. Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:16 AM wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Mitch, > > >>> The bow stopper has to be all the way back so the bow eye doesn't > hit > > >>> the stopper when pulling out of the water. As you start to pull the > > >>> trailer out of water, the boat is resting on the tip of forward end > of > > >>> the bunks and the aft end of the boat floats a foot or more above the > > >>> back end of bunks. As the boat comes out, it rocks back and the bow > of > > >>> the boat raises about a foot, if you don't have the stop all the way > > >>> back, you will rip off the bow eye pad, or worse. > > >>> I like to have the bow eye pad about two inches forward of the bow > for > > >>> travel. The boat will rock almost that much in transit and there is > no > > >>> sense in beating up the bow by putting them tight together. > > >>> > > >>> Jerry Lowe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> If that?s the case what would be the purpose of an adjustable bow > > >>>> stopper? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:50 PM, Peter Nyberg > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?I?ll disagree a bit here. I never move my ?bow bumper?. > > >>>>> I?ll put my bow as close to it as I can manage while the boat is > > >>>>> still > > >>>>> in the water. As Charles said, when the boat and trailer are > pulled > > >>>>> out > > >>>>> of the water, the space between the ?bow bumper? and the boat > > >>>>> will > > >>>>> increase. This is inevitable, and not necessarily a problem. > Moving > > >>>>> the ?bow bumper? closer to the boat at this point just increases > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> likelihood of damage to the boat in transit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Peter Nyberg > > >>>>> Coventry, CT > > >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Charles Nieman > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thomas > > >>>>>> You float the boat, slide the bow bumper as far forward as > possible, > > >>>>>> tighten the boat as far to the front as possible. When you drive > out > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> the water, the boat will shift to the stern, so the key is to keep > > >>>>>> it > > >>>>>> as close to the front as possible. After you get it out of the > > >>>>>> water, > > >>>>>> then you slide the bow bumper back to the boat to reduce bounce. > > >>>>>> It?s > > >>>>>> tricky, and I?ve had to retry a few times but it can be done. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Charles > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 15:37:32 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards for R22, Merc 9.9 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <0dc62f55-f096-2dec-437f-921b46a85a71@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the clarification!!! On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: > Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:24 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Reuben. Great write up/recount. > > To add fwiw... 6gal of gas is also about 45lbs. I'd prefer the gas be > > opposite the engine for the balance. (8hp 4.strike.is about 89lbs?) > > > > I personally like low maintenance, a lot. > > I am finding myself more energy/pollutant conscious as time goes on. I > > still grill steaks. > > > > Fair winds , all, > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021, 3:09 PM Reuben Mezrich > > wrote: > > > > > I apologize for the delay in responding to this thread, but I?ve been > > > traveling (finally took advantage of being vaccinated and it's the > first > > > time we?ve seen the grandkids in over a year) > > > > > > As Stan indicated, I had an electric outboard installed on the Rhodes > 22 > > > that he rebuilt for me and which was delivered on Dec 22 to me in > > Sarasota > > > by the team of Nick and Chris Geankoplis. > > > > > > I chose the ePropulsion Navy 3 engine, the E80 battery, a 20 amp > charger, > > > and a top mounted remote control (which Stan mounted on the port > coming). > > > The E80 battery (which weighs 100 lbs) was placed in the space normally > > > occupied by the 15 gallon water tank and a smaller 5 gallon water tank > > > shoehorned in next to the battery and its charger. This put the battery > > low > > > and amidships for good weight distribution. The engine, which weighs > > about > > > 54 lbs was mounted on the usual electric motor mount. > > > > > > I chose the ePropulsion over a Torqueedo because it had better specs > at a > > > lower cost for a more or less equivalent system. > > > > > > The ePropulsion Navy 3 is a 3kwatt engine, equivalent to a 6hp gas > > engine. > > > It weighs 54 lbs and I chose the short shaft version because the > distance > > > from the propeller hub to the transom clamp is the same as that > distance > > on > > > a long shaft gasoline outboard. The battery stores ~4.1kwatt-hours and > > as I > > > mentioned weights 100 lbs. The 20Amp charges will bully charge the > > battery > > > in ~6 hours. They do sell a 40amp charger that will fully charge in 3 > > hours > > > > > > What follows are my thoughts after using the engine for about 4 months > > > > > > Pro?s > > > > > > There is little (actually so far no) maintenance. The unit has a > > brushless > > > DC motor mounted in the pod at the bottom of the shaft where the > > propeller > > > attaches so it is water cooled and there are no moving parts except the > > > propeller. > > > > > > No fuel or oil is required. I keep the boat in a slip which has a 120 > > volt > > > outlet nearby and so simply plug it in after each sail. You have to > > > remember to unplug it before leaving the slip for a sail. > > > > > > There is good weight distribution with a 54 lb engine at the transom > and > > a > > > 100 lb battery low and amidships > > > > > > The engine will push the boat at hull speed -~6knots - at least in > flat > > > water without much wind. > > > > > > It seems to have reasonable range - about 5 hours at 4 knots. It will > run > > > longer at lower speeds or less at higher speed for an effective range > of > > > about 20 miles, about what you?d get with 3 gallons of gas on a > gasoline > > > outboard. But to be honest I have not actually tested the full range > and > > > I?m reporting what the computer in the remote throttle control reports > I > > > would get if I pushed it all the way. > > > > > > The remote throttle is a pleasure to use, nicely at hand and displays > > speed > > > and time/distance remaining at the current speed. > > > > > > > > > Cons > > > > > > It is expensive compared to a gasoline outboard. My total coast was a > bit > > > under $5,000 and it would have been worse but Stan passed on to me what > > the > > > distributor charged him. > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem is that service and support is non-existent. The > > > company is based in China. There are no service personnel in the US. > > There > > > is no parts depot in the US. The East Coast distributor is Mack-Boring, > > > whose main business is distributing and servicing Yanmar diesel > engines. > > I > > > purchased my unit from Mastry, located in St. Petersburg, who also > mostly > > > deals in Yanmar engines but also handles ePropulsion and Torqueedo > > > engines. The salespeople at both Mastry and Mack-Boring have been very > > nice > > > and tried to answer some of my questions, but they are not service > people > > > and have no resources in terms of parts or engineering support. A few > > > cables were missing in my original delivery and it took a month to have > > it > > > shipped to me from China. I expect that as the ePropulsion equipment > > > becomes more popular in this country they will start stocking parts in > > the > > > US and perhaps even open a service office, but that's really just a > hope > > on > > > my part. > > > > > > There is no equivalent of a friction control to keep the engine from > > > turning. When I?m using the Rhodes tiller to steer the boat I?d like > the > > > engine direction to be fixed (with the prop pointing aft) but there is > no > > > mechanism to do that. They do sell a ?locking arm? which is sort of a > > > U-bolt, about 10? long that extends from the starboard side of the > engine > > > mount and does lock the engine but unfortunately it interferes with the > > > rudder and limits its range?.its a very kludgy design. > > > > > > There is a tiller that can be attached to the engine but it can only > > angle > > > up ~70 degrees from the horizontal and with the engine lowered it would > > > have to angle up nearly 90 degrees to clear the transom. I plan to fix > a > > > tiller mount to the top of the engine, sort of how Stan affixes his > > rudder > > > to outboard engine coupling, to give me better control of the engine > > > direction..It would be particularly useful when trying to steer in > > reverse. > > > > > > The propeller has only two blades and there are no options for a 3 or 4 > > > blade propellor. From my meager understanding of propellers I would > think > > > that the efficiency of the engine could be improved by a better > > propeller. > > > > > > The bottom line is that I don?t really think the company had sailboats > in > > > mind when they designed the engine. > > > > > > So...If I had it to do over again I don?t think I?d choose an electric > > > outboard again. You can get a new 9.9hp gas outboard with electric > start > > > that weighs about 90 lbs for about $2,500 (e.g. Tohatsu). I would > imagine > > > the savings in the cost of the engine would pay for at least a few > years > > > worth of maintenance. > > > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota > > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 8:48 PM stan wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Peter, You remember Doc Reuben from Sarasota who tried to hitch a > > > > test sail with you. He ended up with an epropulsion outboard we > > > > installed on his Rhodes. I never got a chance to try it. But by now > he > > > > knows the good and the bad. You have his email address in your > > > > computer. Can't think of a better reviewer to send you to. When I > > told > > > > him the best doctors I have run across got an engineering degree > first, > > > > he raised me by saying he got three engineering degrees before going > > for > > > > his MD. There may be some fodder there for a fresh poem if you are > > still > > > > at it. > > > > > > > > stan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/14/21 4:54 PM, peter klappert wrote: > > > > > I'd be glad to hear from R22 skippers who use electric outboards. > > > > > Recommendations (pro & con) would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I'm also selling my Mercury 9.9 BigFoot. Very low hours, but it > > needs a > > > > > minor repair & professional tune-up. I'm in Palmetto, FL, and > > reachable > > > > at > > > > > 202-821-2679. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Klappert > > > > > s/v Aeolia (2012) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]* <<<<<<<<<* > > > > > > > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue May 18 16:40:16 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: <1621272012910-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621272012910-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Yes, I use 1" PVC to cover the turnbuckles. I used acetone to wipe off the red print that seems to be on all PVC. I cut the PVC for the outside shrouds taller than the ones for the front lower shrouds, but in retrospect I would have made them all a bit higher, maybe 30" or so since sometimes the sheets can catch just a bit on the lower front shrouds in low wind. There's not a need to cover the lower rear shrouds since the sheets aren't catching on those, but I do have those covered and I think it will help the velcro pins last longer. I have a 130 Genoa instead of the 175 and it works well for me and tacks well. By the way, I like your creative solutions. Thanks for sharing. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:20 PM JeffSmith wrote: > Hi Jessie, > Do you use 1" PVC? How long? Do you need it primarily for the 175? And in > conclusion - on all 6 shrouds? > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue May 18 16:42:25 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 16:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US Message-ID: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to me, so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs about 8.3 pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a couple of ways: 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not ?the world around?. 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh about 8 pounds. The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 pounds per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between water and gas was so wide. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the > clarification!!! > > On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: > >> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue May 18 16:53:42 2021 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 16:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US In-Reply-To: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> References: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <9DEDC73B-B476-40F1-A5FE-DE19C38F9D81@gmail.com> Those of us who are (or used to be) pilots are accustomed to using 6 lb/gal as the weight of fuel (gasoline) for light aircraft. It?s what the FAA weight and balance handbook uses. I had not thought about the weight of water, frankly, and like Peter, I?m a little surprised that gasoline is so much lighter. Frank > On May 18, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to me, so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs about 8.3 pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. > > I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a couple of ways: > > 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not ?the world around?. > > 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh about 8 pounds. > > The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 pounds per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between water and gas was so wide. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the >> clarification!!! >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: >> >>> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue May 18 17:04:58 2021 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 17:04:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US In-Reply-To: <9DEDC73B-B476-40F1-A5FE-DE19C38F9D81@gmail.com> References: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> <9DEDC73B-B476-40F1-A5FE-DE19C38F9D81@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's why I know it so well. Weight and Balance on a Cessna 172. Full fuel or full passengers, pick one, but not both, lol! On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:53 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Those of us who are (or used to be) pilots are accustomed to using 6 > lb/gal as the weight of fuel (gasoline) for light aircraft. It?s what the > FAA weight and balance handbook uses. I had not thought about the weight > of water, frankly, and like Peter, I?m a little surprised that gasoline is > so much lighter. > > Frank > > > On May 18, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to > me, so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs about > 8.3 pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. > > > > I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a > couple of ways: > > > > 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number > ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not > ?the world around?. > > > > 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. > This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings > outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh > about 8 pounds. > > > > The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a > quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 pounds > per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between > water and gas was so wide. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > >> On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >> > >> Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the > >> clarification!!! > >> > >> On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: > >> > >>> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue May 18 17:32:55 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 16:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> Message-ID: I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single axle trailer. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Michael Orro > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > ? > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats appear > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging off > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in the > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on the > trailer. > > > > Best wishes, > > Mike Orro > > Triad Trailers LLC > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > To: Michael Orro > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 118783 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146254 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image003.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 110770 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 472069 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue May 18 18:35:56 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 15:35:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621272012910-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1621377356250-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Jesse, And thanks for the kind words. Your answers are a big help! I just bought a 10' piece of 1" PVC and a roll of 3M blue electrical tape at HD - with which I will cover the white PVC. I used that same tape to cover the foam pipe insulation cushion over my 1" stern pulpit behind the Captains Chairs, It has held up for a year so far and still looks good. So would you say 30" or 36" for the rollers? ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue May 18 18:57:11 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 17:57:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Clevis Pins & Split Rings In-Reply-To: <1621377356250-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1620996577488-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621079362519-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621272012910-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1621377356250-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would recommend 36". Maybe start with one that way and try it out to see what you like then do the others accordingly. You can always cut shorter but the reverse means another trip to the store or buying extra up front. At least PVC is cheap. On Tue, May 18, 2021, 5:35 PM JeffSmith wrote: > Thanks Jesse, > And thanks for the kind words. > Your answers are a big help! I just bought a 10' piece of 1" PVC and a roll > of 3M blue electrical tape at HD - with which I will cover the white PVC. > I > used that same tape to cover the foam pipe insulation cushion over my 1" > stern pulpit behind the Captains Chairs, It has held up for a year so far > and still looks good. > So would you say 30" or 36" for the rollers? > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue May 18 19:37:38 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> Message-ID: When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. Slim Fandango On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > ? > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > > trailer. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Mike Orro > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > To: Michael Orro > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 118783 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image002.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146254 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image003.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 110770 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 472069 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0733.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 3797557 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 18 19:45:20 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US In-Reply-To: References: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> <9DEDC73B-B476-40F1-A5FE-DE19C38F9D81@gmail.com> Message-ID: I swear I am NOT a flat earther.... Poor at maths maybe... But I got the physics concepts!!! LoL (sorry Stan, I let you down) On Tue, May 18, 2021, 4:05 PM Hank wrote: > That's why I know it so well. Weight and Balance on a Cessna 172. Full > fuel or full passengers, pick one, but not both, lol! > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:53 PM Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > > > Those of us who are (or used to be) pilots are accustomed to using 6 > > lb/gal as the weight of fuel (gasoline) for light aircraft. It?s what > the > > FAA weight and balance handbook uses. I had not thought about the weight > > of water, frankly, and like Peter, I?m a little surprised that gasoline > is > > so much lighter. > > > > Frank > > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to > > me, so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs > about > > 8.3 pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. > > > > > > I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a > > couple of ways: > > > > > > 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number > > ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not > > ?the world around?. > > > > > > 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. > > This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings > > outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh > > about 8 pounds. > > > > > > The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a > > quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 > pounds > > per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between > > water and gas was so wide. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > > > > > >> On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the > > >> clarification!!! > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: > > >> > > >>> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed May 19 08:26:21 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 12:26:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> , Message-ID: Slim, So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. Slim Fandango On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > ? > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > > trailer. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Mike Orro > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > To: Michael Orro > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 118783 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image002.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146254 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image003.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 110770 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 472069 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0733.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 3797557 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed May 19 09:26:33 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 08:26:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> Message-ID: Hello Roger. I?ve replaced the front tires once, but they were the original pair from the previous owner. Although I?ve trailered around MN and WI a lot, most trips have been within an hour?s drive, although I?ve been up to the Apostle Islands on Lake Superior several times. That?s about three and a half hours. So I don?t put on that many miles compared to say Chris G. who, IIRC travels from Oregon to The Baja. Yes, the goal for adding the second axle was to increase the tongue weight enough to stop the trailer from fishtailing, which in my case was quite extreme and no amount of struggle to load the boat farther forward helped. In fact, no matter the degree of steepness of ramps or anything else, the boat always wound up in the same position on the trailer plus or minus an inch or two. With the trailer?s bow stop all the way forward I back in so just the front tips of the bunks are showing above water. Then the boat loads all the way up to the bow stop. As I pull out, the boat rocks back on the bunks and winds up about a foot and a half away from the bow stop. Then slide the stop back towards the boat for travel. The boat won?t load any farther forward and shouldn?t have to if the trailer is designed right. Mine wasn?t, or at least not without removing the motor and rudder etc. which to me is impractical. It was a Trailmaster, now it?s a Slimmaster! Slim Fandango On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:26 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Slim, > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any > issues. > > Slim > Fandango > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > is > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > rail. > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > cabin > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > the > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > > axle trailer. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > with > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > ? > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According > to > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > appear > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > > off > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > > the > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > > the > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Orro > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3797557 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed May 19 09:18:34 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 09:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Roger: A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Slim, So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. Slim Fandango On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > ? > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > > trailer. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Mike Orro > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > To: Michael Orro > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 118783 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image002.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146254 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image003.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 110770 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 472069 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0733.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 3797557 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed May 19 09:36:59 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 08:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> Message-ID: Incidentally, if you go to my Facebook page you?ll see my rather elaborate method of removing the motor using a giant lever and block and tackle. Stan?s sales pitch ?For lazy sailors with bad backs? speaks to me. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:26 AM Steven Alm wrote: > Hello Roger. I?ve replaced the front tires once, but they were the > original pair from the previous owner. Although I?ve trailered around MN > and WI a lot, most trips have been within an hour?s drive, although I?ve > been up to the Apostle Islands on Lake Superior several times. That?s about > three and a half hours. So I don?t put on that many miles compared to say > Chris G. who, IIRC travels from Oregon to The Baja. Yes, the goal for > adding the second axle was to increase the tongue weight enough to stop the > trailer from fishtailing, which in my case was quite extreme and no amount > of struggle to load the boat farther forward helped. In fact, no matter the > degree of steepness of ramps or anything else, the boat always wound up in > the same position on the trailer plus or minus an inch or two. With the > trailer?s bow stop all the way forward I back in so just the front tips of > the bunks are showing above water. Then the boat loads all the way up to > the bow stop. As I pull out, the boat rocks back on the bunks and winds up > about a foot and a half away from the bow stop. Then slide the stop back > towards the boat for travel. The boat won?t load any farther forward and > shouldn?t have to if the trailer is designed right. Mine wasn?t, or at > least not without removing the motor and rudder etc. which to me is > impractical. It was a Trailmaster, now it?s a Slimmaster! > > Slim > Fandango > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:26 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> Slim, >> >> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center >> of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem >> wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not >> enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you >> would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. >> the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load >> rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the >> front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I >> don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to >> replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to >> oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a >> steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In >> both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Steven Alm >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first >> axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. >> I >> checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would >> do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single >> long >> fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but >> it >> weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple >> hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front >> wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the >> last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 >> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without >> any >> issues. >> >> Slim >> Fandango >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it >> is >> > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since >> > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I >> > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern >> rail. >> > >> > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the >> motor >> > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I >> > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the >> cabin >> > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and >> > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. >> > >> > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get >> the >> > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but >> > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single >> > axle trailer. >> > >> > Jesse Shumaker >> > S/V Zephyr >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> > >> > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer >> with >> > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this >> > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? >> > > >> > > >> > > Begin forwarded message: >> > > >> > > > From: Michael Orro >> > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT >> > > > To: THOMAS POLISE >> > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer >> > > > >> > > > ? >> > > > Hello Mr. Polise, >> > > > >> > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. >> According to >> > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a >> > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats >> > appear >> > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging >> > off >> > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded >> in >> > the >> > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure >> what?s >> > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward >> on >> > the >> > > trailer. >> > > > >> > > > Best wishes, >> > > > Mike Orro >> > > > Triad Trailers LLC >> > > > 5831 Triangle Drive >> > > > Raleigh NC 27617 >> > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 >> > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 >> > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >> > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > From: THOMAS POLISE >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM >> > > > To: Michael Orro >> > > > Subject: Polise trailer >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > Name: image001.jpg >> > > Type: image/jpeg >> > > Size: 118783 bytes >> > > Desc: not available >> > > URL: < >> > > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg >> > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > Name: image002.jpg >> > > Type: image/jpeg >> > > Size: 146254 bytes >> > > Desc: not available >> > > URL: < >> > > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg >> > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > Name: image003.jpg >> > > Type: image/jpeg >> > > Size: 110770 bytes >> > > Desc: not available >> > > URL: < >> > > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg >> > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg >> > > Type: image/jpeg >> > > Size: 472069 bytes >> > > Desc: not available >> > > URL: < >> > > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg >> > > > >> > > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_0733.jpg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 3797557 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg >> > >> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed May 19 09:52:44 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 13:52:44 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> , <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s springs). The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do not contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load to be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting in more tongue weight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Roger: A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Slim, So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. Slim Fandango On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > ? > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > > trailer. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Mike Orro > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > To: Michael Orro > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 118783 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image002.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146254 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image003.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 110770 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 472069 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0733.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 3797557 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed May 19 10:49:11 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 10:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Message-ID: If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their axle positions and I edited the drawing. Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes the new center point for the double axles. Todd T. On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham, > If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you > raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that > are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s springs). > The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and > tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do not > contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the > second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load to > be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have > calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a > point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the > load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the > approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius > moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting in > more tongue weight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Roger: > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front > axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles > would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an > axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch > radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway > between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle > and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the > weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new > pivot point is in this scenario. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Slim, > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any > issues. > > Slim > Fandango > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > is > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > rail. > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > cabin > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > the > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > > axle trailer. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > with > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > ? > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According > to > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > appear > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > > off > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > > the > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > > the > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Orro > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3797557 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed May 19 10:55:07 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Message-ID: Roger, my assessment was that my original first axle was too far forward to begin with in the way my boat loads on my trailer. (Your milage may vary.) That would suggest my pitch radius with the second axle is somewhere near the sweet spot in between. The second axle does more than just add its own weight. It also serves as lever action to weigh down on the tongue. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham, > If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you > raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that > are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s springs). > The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and > tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do not > contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the > second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load to > be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have > calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a > point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the > load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the > approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius > moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting in > more tongue weight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Roger: > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front > axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles > would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an > axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch > radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway > between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle > and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the > weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new > pivot point is in this scenario. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Slim, > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any > issues. > > Slim > Fandango > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > is > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > rail. > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > cabin > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > the > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > > axle trailer. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > with > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > ? > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According > to > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > appear > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > > off > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > > the > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > > the > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Orro > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3797557 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed May 19 11:13:02 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 10:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new setup. I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also get to the document at the link below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view?usp=sharing Hope that helps... Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats reminded > me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone > mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I > can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, > 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 181177 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed May 19 11:15:56 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 11:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected content. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage Hi Mark, I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new setup. I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also get to the document at the link below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view?usp=sharing Hope that helps... Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back > where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin > but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention > of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 181177 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed May 19 11:17:58 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> References: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mike, I attached the document as well. Did it not come through? Also, I just changed the link to make it available. I thought I had done that but had not when I sent the email. Thanks, Jesse On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected > content. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > Hi Mark, > > I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I purchased > containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from others on the > list. Like others have mentioned, they make a weatherproof container that > works great to store the pop top enclosure. I also found some other > containers there such as two-tiered versions that work well. I also > emulated others on the list by installing bars to keep the containers in > place while heeling. As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my > lazarette organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with > the new setup. > > I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also get > to the document at the link below: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view?usp=sharing > > Hope that helps... > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > wrote: > > > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > > reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back > > where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin > > but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention > > of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web > site. > > > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 181177 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb084/attachment.pdf > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed May 19 11:32:37 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 11:32:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US In-Reply-To: References: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> <9DEDC73B-B476-40F1-A5FE-DE19C38F9D81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5722AD32-EA37-44CB-BEE4-4AEF08AB7465@stottarchitecture.com> So many pilots/x-pilots are sailors - huh! I got my pilots license in High school and wanted to make a career of it, but architecture stole me away. For both airplanes and Sailboats - ?form follows function? a famous architect's modernist chant. (Le Corbousie). Aesthetics are most powerful left simple and ornament is unnecessary; a fussy distraction from the purity of form. There ya go - my life in a paragraph. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays, NY > On May 18, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > I swear I am NOT a flat earther.... Poor at maths maybe... But I got the > physics concepts!!! LoL (sorry Stan, I let you down) > > On Tue, May 18, 2021, 4:05 PM Hank wrote: > >> That's why I know it so well. Weight and Balance on a Cessna 172. Full >> fuel or full passengers, pick one, but not both, lol! >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:53 PM Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> Those of us who are (or used to be) pilots are accustomed to using 6 >>> lb/gal as the weight of fuel (gasoline) for light aircraft. It?s what >> the >>> FAA weight and balance handbook uses. I had not thought about the weight >>> of water, frankly, and like Peter, I?m a little surprised that gasoline >> is >>> so much lighter. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>>> On May 18, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Peter Nyberg >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to >>> me, so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs >> about >>> 8.3 pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. >>>> >>>> I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a >>> couple of ways: >>>> >>>> 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number >>> ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not >>> ?the world around?. >>>> >>>> 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. >>> This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings >>> outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh >>> about 8 pounds. >>>> >>>> The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a >>> quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 >> pounds >>> per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between >>> water and gas was so wide. >>>> >>>> Peter Nyberg >>>> Coventry, CT >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule < >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the >>>>> clarification!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. >>> >>> >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed May 19 11:34:33 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 10:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A pint is a pound the world around - more or less, at least in the US In-Reply-To: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> References: <95F1352D-B598-4025-A0D2-F0208CFDB51F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: So, this is why the rest of the world except Yemen and Burma use the metric system. Nice to know which group we fall into. 1 liter weighs exactly 1 kilo and occupies exactly 1,000 cubic centimeters. No cave man units! Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:43 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom?s number for the weight of a gallon of water didn?t sound right to me, > so I Googled it. The internet says that a gallon of water weighs about 8.3 > pounds, and as we know, the internet is never wrong. > > I?ve always interpreted the saying in the subject of this post in a couple > of ways: > > 1) The number of ounces (weight) in a pound is the same as the number > ounces (fluid) in a pint (that is, 16). This is true in the US, but not > ?the world around?. > > 2) The weight of 16 fluid ounces or water (a US pint) is about a pound. > This is not exactly true, but generally close enough in most settings > outside of a laboratory. A gallon then, consisting of 8 pints would weigh > about 8 pounds. > > The internet also says that Hank is right about the weight of gas ( a > quick glance at search results shows weights ranging from 6.1 to 6.6 pounds > per gallon) . I never would have guessed that weight difference between > water and gas was so wide. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Well I know water is 7.4.... and fuel floats... But thanks for the > > clarification!!! > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:40 PM Hank wrote: > > > >> Actually, 6 gals is about 36 lbs as gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. > From koatimundi100 at gmail.com Wed May 19 11:58:45 2021 From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 11:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards, etc. Message-ID: Thanks Reuben and Stan. I remember when Reuben had his R22 built, and his reply is very detailed and helpful. When I?m closer to a decision, I?d like to drive down and see Reuben?s setup. I?ve been doing a lot of online research, because I?ve decided I also want a power pocket cruiser with 1 or 2 electric outboards. If you?re nuts or Bill Gates, and if you?ll settle for inboard, it?s not hard to spend $500k. (An aside: I currently lean toward the C-Dory TomCat. At 25.5 feet it?s an unfancy power catamaran with very shoal draft. Though C-Dory has built with Airheads instead of marine toilets, they haven't tried electric outboards. Because of my dock situation, I?ve got to stay under 30 feet. Toyota has an inboard hybrid, the Ponam 28v. It looks like just the boat I'd love, but it's not available in the US--I can?t even get a price or a reply to emails.) Electric propulsion is booming, though much of it hasn?t reached the US market or is pretty untested. Europe is way ahead of us. Were I younger, I?d wait a few years in both quests, electric on the R22 and the power cruiser. The best site I?ve found is plugboats.com, which has an extensive survey of electric outboards and loads of good links. When doing the research that led to my R22, I was impressed by the helpfulness and store of knowledge on the R22 list. Still am. What I didn?t allow for is this: I?m not much of a mechanic or DIYer. I thought that might change in retirement. Well, what ever happened to all that time and boredom I anticipated? Peter Klappert s/v Aeolia From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Wed May 19 12:36:23 2021 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 12:36:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter You are very welcome to come down to Sarasota for a sail or to motor about electrically. I've become a snowbird so I'm there from late October through late April...anytime in there is great --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota Cell: 410-499-8922 On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:59 AM peter klappert wrote: > Thanks Reuben and Stan. I remember when Reuben had his R22 built, and his > reply is very detailed and helpful. When I?m closer to a decision, I?d like > to drive down and see Reuben?s setup. > > I?ve been doing a lot of online research, because I?ve decided I also want > a power pocket cruiser with 1 or 2 electric outboards. If you?re nuts or > Bill Gates, and if you?ll settle for inboard, it?s not hard to spend $500k. > > (An aside: I currently lean toward the C-Dory TomCat. At 25.5 feet it?s an > unfancy power catamaran with very shoal draft. Though C-Dory has built > with Airheads instead of marine toilets, they haven't tried electric > outboards. Because of my dock situation, I?ve got to stay under 30 feet. > Toyota has an inboard hybrid, the Ponam 28v. It looks like just the boat > I'd love, but it's not available in the US--I can?t even get a price or a > reply to emails.) > > Electric propulsion is booming, though much of it hasn?t reached the US > market or is pretty untested. Europe is way ahead of us. Were I younger, > I?d wait a few years in both quests, electric on the R22 and the power > cruiser. > > The best site I?ve found is plugboats.com, which has an extensive survey > of > electric outboards and loads of good links. > > When doing the research that led to my R22, I was impressed by the > helpfulness and store of knowledge on the R22 list. Still am. What I didn?t > allow for is this: I?m not much of a mechanic or DIYer. I thought that > might change in retirement. Well, what ever happened to all that time and > boredom I anticipated? > > Peter Klappert > s/v Aeolia > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed May 19 12:46:16 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 12:46:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> Jesse, Thanks! I didn't look for the attachment. It looks great! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage Mike, I attached the document as well. Did it not come through? Also, I just changed the link to make it available. I thought I had done that but had not when I sent the email. Thanks, Jesse On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected > content. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > Hi Mark, > > I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I > purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from > others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a > weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top > enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as > two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the > list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. > As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette > organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new setup. > > I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also > get to the document at the link below: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view > ?usp=sharing > > Hope that helps... > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > wrote: > > > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > > reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back > > where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage > > bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a > > mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on > > the web > site. > > > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 181177 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb > 084/attachment.pdf > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed May 19 12:52:09 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 11:52:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> References: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mike, thanks for clarifying that the attachment came through and alerting me to the fact that I hadn't set the sharing correctly on the link. A typical multi-tasking failure on my part :) Jesse On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:46 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Jesse, > > Thanks! I didn't look for the attachment. It looks great! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > Mike, I attached the document as well. Did it not come through? > > Also, I just changed the link to make it available. I thought I had done > that but had not when I sent the email. > > Thanks, > Jesse > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected > > content. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I > > purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from > > others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a > > weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top > > enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as > > two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the > > list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. > > As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette > > organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new > setup. > > > > I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also > > get to the document at the link below: > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view > > ?usp=sharing > > > > Hope that helps... > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > > wrote: > > > > > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > > > reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back > > > where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage > > > bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a > > > mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on > > > the web > > site. > > > > > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > Boston, MA > > > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > > Type: application/pdf > > Size: 181177 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb > > 084/attachment.pdf > > > > > > > > > From sea20 at verizon.net Wed May 19 15:32:12 2021 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 15:32:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail dimensions References: Message-ID: Greetings all, while researching the list for IMF mainsail dimensions I saw one suggesting 22?7? x 9?3? I got a quote from Doyle claiming their specs call for 23.25 x 9.25. I am inclined to trust Doyle, has anyone had a similar experience? Scott & Rebecca 86? Rhodes22 Sent from my iPhone From tvpolise at aol.com Wed May 19 16:16:25 2021 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 16:16:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer References: Message-ID: <0F99EF80-683D-4930-A43B-7D09E0FBBE01@aol.com> If anyone has a Triad trailer and would like to chime in. Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Orro > Date: May 19, 2021 at 12:19:39 PM EDT > To: THOMAS POLISE > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > ? > Hello Tom, > > Thank for the note. Honestly, you?re the first person that has told me about a tongue weight issue with the trailer. Jesse Shumaker said below ? I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single axle trailer? > I?m not sure how much your motor weighs however, what ever that weight is, it?s stealing it from the trailer tongue. I didn?t see anyone below speak of lack of tongue weight, just that they added a 2nd axle. > > I read the notes below. I?m not sure what you?d like me to comment on. It is true that if you place the center of the 2 axle where the center of a single axle trailer is you will get the same tongue weight. The person that simply added a 2nd axle, without repositioning the 1st axle, has now moved the center of effort from the center of the front axle to the center of the two axles. This would have pushed the center of gravity of the two axle back around 17 inches. That is a huge difference in axle position, and I imagine they have an excess amount of tongue weight. > > Perhaps I?ve missed something below. If I have, please let me know. Thank you, Mike Orro > > Best wishes, > Mike Orro > Triad Trailers LLC > 5831 Triangle Drive > Raleigh NC 27617 > Phone: 919.782.6007 > Fax: 919.782.6009 > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:02 AM > To: Michael Orro > Subject: Fwd: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Mike, > A lot of Rhodes owners seem to be having the same problems I am. Care to weigh in? > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Graham Stewart > Date: May 19, 2021 at 9:33:13 AM EDT > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > ?Roger: > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Slim, > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any > issues. > > Slim > Fandango > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Michael Orro > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > To: THOMAS POLISE > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > ? > Hello Mr. Polise, > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > trailer. > > Best wishes, > Mike Orro > Triad Trailers LLC > 5831 Triangle Drive > Raleigh NC 27617 > Phone: 919.782.6007 > Fax: 919.782.6009 > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > To: Michael Orro > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 118783 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146254 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image003.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 110770 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 472069 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3797557 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed May 19 17:02:20 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <0F99EF80-683D-4930-A43B-7D09E0FBBE01@aol.com> References: , <0F99EF80-683D-4930-A43B-7D09E0FBBE01@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi All, When I look at all the boats going down the road with their outboards firmly clamped onto their transoms, I find the notion that we have to remove our outboard to be pretty outrageous! What a ridiculous work around - fix the underlying problem. Nobody expects a boat the size of an R-22 to not have an engine. Manhandling that engine on and off the mount every time is not an acceptable solution for me. Sometimes, I?m simply stunned by what people will put up with. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2021, at 4:16 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?If anyone has a Triad trailer and would like to chime in. > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Michael Orro >> Date: May 19, 2021 at 12:19:39 PM EDT >> To: THOMAS POLISE >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> ? >> Hello Tom, >> >> Thank for the note. Honestly, you?re the first person that has told me about a tongue weight issue with the trailer. Jesse Shumaker said below ? I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single axle trailer? >> I?m not sure how much your motor weighs however, what ever that weight is, it?s stealing it from the trailer tongue. I didn?t see anyone below speak of lack of tongue weight, just that they added a 2nd axle. >> >> I read the notes below. I?m not sure what you?d like me to comment on. It is true that if you place the center of the 2 axle where the center of a single axle trailer is you will get the same tongue weight. The person that simply added a 2nd axle, without repositioning the 1st axle, has now moved the center of effort from the center of the front axle to the center of the two axles. This would have pushed the center of gravity of the two axle back around 17 inches. That is a huge difference in axle position, and I imagine they have an excess amount of tongue weight. >> >> Perhaps I?ve missed something below. If I have, please let me know. Thank you, Mike Orro >> >> Best wishes, >> Mike Orro >> Triad Trailers LLC >> 5831 Triangle Drive >> Raleigh NC 27617 >> Phone: 919.782.6007 >> Fax: 919.782.6009 >> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com >> >> >> >> >> >> From: THOMAS POLISE >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:02 AM >> To: Michael Orro >> Subject: Fwd: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> Mike, >> A lot of Rhodes owners seem to be having the same problems I am. Care to weigh in? >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Date: May 19, 2021 at 9:33:13 AM EDT >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> >> ?Roger: >> A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> Slim, >> >> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Steven Alm >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first >> axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I >> checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would >> do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long >> fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it >> weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple >> hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front >> wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the >> last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 >> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any >> issues. >> >> Slim >> Fandango >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is >> heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since >> that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I >> help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. >> >> My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor >> so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I >> had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin >> without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and >> take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. >> >> The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the >> boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but >> haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single >> axle trailer. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with >> the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this >> problem and resolved without having to take motor off? >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Michael Orro >> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT >> To: THOMAS POLISE >> Subject: RE: Polise trailer >> >> ? >> Hello Mr. Polise, >> >> Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to >> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a >> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats >> appear >> to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging >> off >> the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in >> the >> boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s >> going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on >> the >> trailer. >> >> Best wishes, >> Mike Orro >> Triad Trailers LLC >> 5831 Triangle Drive >> Raleigh NC 27617 >> Phone: 919.782.6007 >> Fax: 919.782.6009 >> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com >> >> >> >> From: THOMAS POLISE >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM >> To: Michael Orro >> Subject: Polise trailer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image001.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 118783 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image002.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 146254 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image003.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 110770 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_4205.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 472069 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_0733.jpg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 3797557 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed May 19 17:05:30 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 17:05:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: , <0F99EF80-683D-4930-A43B-7D09E0FBBE01@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501d74cf2$b3ee6260$1bcb2720$@ebsmed.com> Roger, Maybe we should work on a "back-on" trailer. In that case, the engine will add to the tongue weight. ;-) Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 5:02 PM To: THOMAS POLISE ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer Hi All, When I look at all the boats going down the road with their outboards firmly clamped onto their transoms, I find the notion that we have to remove our outboard to be pretty outrageous! What a ridiculous work around - fix the underlying problem. Nobody expects a boat the size of an R-22 to not have an engine. Manhandling that engine on and off the mount every time is not an acceptable solution for me. Sometimes, I?m simply stunned by what people will put up with. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2021, at 4:16 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?If anyone has a Triad trailer and would like to chime in. > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Michael Orro >> Date: May 19, 2021 at 12:19:39 PM EDT >> To: THOMAS POLISE >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> ? >> Hello Tom, >> >> Thank for the note. Honestly, you?re the first person that has told me about a tongue weight issue with the trailer. Jesse Shumaker said below ? I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single axle trailer? >> I?m not sure how much your motor weighs however, what ever that weight is, it?s stealing it from the trailer tongue. I didn?t see anyone below speak of lack of tongue weight, just that they added a 2nd axle. >> >> I read the notes below. I?m not sure what you?d like me to comment on. It is true that if you place the center of the 2 axle where the center of a single axle trailer is you will get the same tongue weight. The person that simply added a 2nd axle, without repositioning the 1st axle, has now moved the center of effort from the center of the front axle to the center of the two axles. This would have pushed the center of gravity of the two axle back around 17 inches. That is a huge difference in axle position, and I imagine they have an excess amount of tongue weight. >> >> Perhaps I?ve missed something below. If I have, please let me know. >> Thank you, Mike Orro >> >> Best wishes, >> Mike Orro >> Triad Trailers LLC >> 5831 Triangle Drive >> Raleigh NC 27617 >> Phone: 919.782.6007 >> Fax: 919.782.6009 >> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com >> >> >> >> >> >> From: THOMAS POLISE >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:02 AM >> To: Michael Orro >> Subject: Fwd: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> Mike, >> A lot of Rhodes owners seem to be having the same problems I am. Care to weigh in? >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Date: May 19, 2021 at 9:33:13 AM EDT >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> >> ?Roger: >> A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> Slim, >> >> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Steven Alm >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the >> first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this >> work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found >> one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders >> over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t >> know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the >> vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, >> probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and >> installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last >> 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 >> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. >> >> Slim >> Fandango >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because >> it is heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the >> v-berth since that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off >> the transom. I help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. >> >> My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the >> motor so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole >> assembly. I had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver >> through the cabin without scraping anything. The cover is made such >> that I can put on and take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. >> >> The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to >> get the boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to >> towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my >> 2011 Triad single axle trailer. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with >> the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this >> problem and resolved without having to take motor off? >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Michael Orro >> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT >> To: THOMAS POLISE >> Subject: RE: Polise trailer >> >> ? >> Hello Mr. Polise, >> >> Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to >> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a >> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats >> appear >> to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor >> hanging off the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs >> to be loaded in the >> boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s >> going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward >> on the trailer. >> >> Best wishes, >> Mike Orro >> Triad Trailers LLC >> 5831 Triangle Drive >> Raleigh NC 27617 >> Phone: 919.782.6007 >> Fax: 919.782.6009 >> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com >> >> >> >> From: THOMAS POLISE >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM >> To: Michael Orro >> Subject: Polise trailer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: image001.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 118783 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67d >> d07a/attachment.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: image002.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 146254 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67d >> d07a/attachment-0001.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: image003.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 110770 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67d >> d07a/attachment-0002.jpg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_4205.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 472069 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67d >> d07a/attachment-0003.jpg >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_0733.jpg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 3797557 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> From forg3d at gmail.com Wed May 19 17:12:44 2021 From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 16:12:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> References: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Very nice. > On May 19, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Jesse, > > Thanks! I didn't look for the attachment. It looks great! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > Mike, I attached the document as well. Did it not come through? > > Also, I just changed the link to make it available. I thought I had done that but had not when I sent the email. > > Thanks, > Jesse > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > >> Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected >> content. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Jesse Shumaker >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I >> purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from >> others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a >> weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top >> enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as >> two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the >> list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. >> As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette >> organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new setup. >> >> I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also >> get to the document at the link below: >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view >> ?usp=sharing >> >> Hope that helps... >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple >> wrote: >> >>> The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats >>> reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back >>> where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage >>> bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a >>> mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on >>> the web >> site. >>> >>> What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mark >>> >>> Boston, MA >>> >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>> 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 181177 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb >> 084/attachment.pdf >>> >> >> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed May 19 18:06:51 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 17:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter Message-ID: I liked the rigging changes that Peter made to S/V Silverheels in episode 30 (https://youtu.be/YS1MIEcvkPs) of his youtube videos. He went further than I did, but over the winter I made similar changes for the IMF outhaul and furler on Zephyr. Now that I was able to try it out I put together some photos and a couple of short videos in case others might want to try this. I'm happy with how it turned out. It makes a convenient process even easier! I know there's a performance penalty for IMF compared to traditional mainsail but I primarily enjoy my R22 for relaxing. One other note: after going out in high winds at the end of last season, my mainsail had started to tear where it joins the sunbrella fabric. I think there had been some UV damage when a bit of the white portion of the mainsail was left exposed by the prior owner. I had a local sailmaker add extra sunbrella fabric as a patch and that seems to work well. I roll a small bit of the sunbrella portion into the mast. Link to the document: (it's also attached) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wnx9wIExMgZliuu67VgtYRByzYyod3Gp/view?usp=sharing Video of outhaul is at https://youtu.be/rnlbU_VqKyk Video of furling is at https://youtu.be/dAeTd1EeC4c Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ZephyrIMFRiggingUpdates.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 311084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed May 19 22:46:39 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 22:46:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Message-ID: <00f801d74d22$5d34d7d0$179e8770$@ca> Roger: Thanks for the explanation. That addresses a false notion that I had in mind. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:53 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Graham, If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s springs). The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do not contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load to be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting in more tongue weight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Roger: A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Slim, So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues. Slim Fandango On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it is > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail. > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the cabin > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get the > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > axle trailer. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > ? > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > appear > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > off > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > the > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > the > > trailer. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Mike Orro > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > To: Michael Orro > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image001.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 118783 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image002.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146254 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image003.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 110770 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 472069 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0733.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 3797557 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed May 19 23:16:03 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 23:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> Message-ID: <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> Does anyone know what the "ideal" distance from the ball to the axle would be on the RC trailer? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Todd Tavares Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their axle positions and I edited the drawing. Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes the new center point for the double axles. Todd T. On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham, > If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you > raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that > are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s springs). > The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and > tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do not > contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the > second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load to > be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have > calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a > point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the > load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the > approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius > moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting in > more tongue weight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Roger: > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front > axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles > would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an > axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch > radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway > between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle > and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the > weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new > pivot point is in this scenario. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > Slim, > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work myself. I > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single long > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but it > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any > issues. > > Slim > Fandango > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > is > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > rail. > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the motor > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. I > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > cabin > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on and > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > the > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single > > axle trailer. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > with > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > ? > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According > to > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > appear > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor hanging > > off > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded in > > the > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure what?s > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward on > > the > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Orro > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3797557 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed May 19 23:40:20 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 22:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, the exact weight will dictate.... Hard to give any general answer other than the calculation... Which I am only a computer engineer... On Wed, May 19, 2021, 10:16 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Does anyone know what the "ideal" distance from the ball to the axle would > be on the RC trailer? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Todd Tavares > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single > axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully > retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was > moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the > list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the > archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I > don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their > trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from > Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their > axle positions and I edited the drawing. > Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time > could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than > possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single > axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes > the new center point for the double axles. > > Todd T. > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Graham, > > If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you > > raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that > > are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s > springs). > > The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and > > tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do > not > > contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the > > second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load > to > > be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have > > calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a > > point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the > > load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the > > approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius > > moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting > in > > more tongue weight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > Roger: > > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front > > axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles > > would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an > > axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch > > radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway > > between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle > > and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the > > weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the > new > > pivot point is in this scenario. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > Slim, > > > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case > not > > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, > you > > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Steven Alm > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work > myself. I > > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single > long > > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but > it > > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a > couple > > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In > the > > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without > any > > issues. > > > > Slim > > Fandango > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > > is > > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > > rail. > > > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the > motor > > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. > I > > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > > cabin > > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on > and > > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > > the > > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing > but > > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad > single > > > axle trailer. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > > with > > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had > this > > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. > According > > to > > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > > appear > > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor > hanging > > > off > > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded > in > > > the > > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure > what?s > > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward > on > > > the > > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Mike Orro > > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > > Type: image/jpg > > Size: 3797557 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu May 20 07:01:48 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 07:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> Message-ID: There is a dimensioned drawing in the Archives. The axle position in the drawing was taken from several different Triad trailers which were the same. On some trailers the axle was a few inches forward. Todd Tavares. On Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:16 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Does anyone know what the "ideal" distance from the ball to the axle would > be on the RC trailer? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Todd Tavares > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single > axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully > retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was > moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the > list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the > archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I > don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their > trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from > Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their > axle positions and I edited the drawing. > Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time > could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than > possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single > axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes > the new center point for the double axles. > > Todd T. > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Graham, > > If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you > > raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that > > are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s > springs). > > The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and > > tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do > not > > contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the > > second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load > to > > be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have > > calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a > > point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the > > load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the > > approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius > > moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting > in > > more tongue weight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > Roger: > > A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front > > axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles > > would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an > > axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch > > radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway > > between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle > > and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the > > weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the > new > > pivot point is in this scenario. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > Slim, > > > > So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center > > of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem > > wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case > not > > enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, > you > > would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. > > the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load > > rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the > > front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I > > don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to > > replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to > > oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a > > steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In > > both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Steven Alm > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer > > > > When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first > > axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work > myself. I > > checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would > > do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single > long > > fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but > it > > weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a > couple > > hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front > > wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In > the > > last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 > > ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without > any > > issues. > > > > Slim > > Fandango > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it > > is > > > heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since > > > that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I > > > help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern > > rail. > > > > > > My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the > motor > > > so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. > I > > > had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the > > cabin > > > without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on > and > > > take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. > > > > > > The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get > > the > > > boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing > but > > > haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad > single > > > axle trailer. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer > > with > > > > the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had > this > > > > problem and resolved without having to take motor off? > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > From: Michael Orro > > > > > Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT > > > > > To: THOMAS POLISE > > > > > Subject: RE: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > Hello Mr. Polise, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for this information and for the measurements. > According > > to > > > > the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a > > > > photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats > > > appear > > > > to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor > hanging > > > off > > > > the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded > in > > > the > > > > boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure > what?s > > > > going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward > on > > > the > > > > trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Mike Orro > > > > > Triad Trailers LLC > > > > > 5831 Triangle Drive > > > > > Raleigh NC 27617 > > > > > Phone: 919.782.6007 > > > > > Fax: 919.782.6009 > > > > > email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com > > > > > Web: www.TriadTrailers.com > http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: THOMAS POLISE > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM > > > > > To: Michael Orro > > > > > Subject: Polise trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image001.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 118783 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image002.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 146254 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image003.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 110770 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_4205.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 472069 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_0733.jpg > > Type: image/jpg > > Size: 3797557 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu May 20 07:38:38 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 07:38:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> Message-ID: <8B183AD5-0506-4872-BFE8-33E72E8465AA@sunnybeeches.com> Todd?s post with the trailer diagrams is here: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2009-September/062414.html Peter Sent from my iPad > On May 20, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > There is a dimensioned drawing in the Archives. The axle position in the > drawing was taken from several different Triad trailers which were the > same. On some trailers the axle was a few inches forward. > > Todd Tavares. > >> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:16 PM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Does anyone know what the "ideal" distance from the ball to the axle would >> be on the RC trailer? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of Todd Tavares >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single >> axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully >> retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was >> moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the >> list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the >> archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I >> don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their >> trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from >> Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their >> axle positions and I edited the drawing. >> Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time >> could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than >> possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single >> axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes >> the new center point for the double axles. >> >> Todd T. >> >> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> >>> Graham, >>> If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you >>> raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that >>> are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s >> springs). >>> The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and >>> tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do >> not >>> contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the >>> second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load >> to >>> be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have >>> calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a >>> point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the >>> load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the >>> approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius >>> moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting >> in >>> more tongue weight. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graham Stewart >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> Roger: >>> A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front >>> axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles >>> would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an >>> axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch >>> radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway >>> between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle >>> and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the >>> weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the >> new >>> pivot point is in this scenario. >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> Slim, >>> >>> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center >>> of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem >>> wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case >> not >>> enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, >> you >>> would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. >>> the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load >>> rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the >>> front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I >>> don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to >>> replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to >>> oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a >>> steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In >>> both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Steven Alm >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first >>> axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work >> myself. I >>> checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would >>> do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single >> long >>> fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but >> it >>> weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a >> couple >>> hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front >>> wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In >> the >>> last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 >>> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without >> any >>> issues. >>> >>> Slim >>> Fandango >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it >>> is >>>> heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since >>>> that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I >>>> help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern >>> rail. >>>> >>>> My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the >> motor >>>> so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. >> I >>>> had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the >>> cabin >>>> without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on >> and >>>> take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. >>>> >>>> The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get >>> the >>>> boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing >> but >>>> haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad >> single >>>> axle trailer. >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer >>> with >>>>> the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had >> this >>>>> problem and resolved without having to take motor off? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Michael Orro >>>>>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT >>>>>> To: THOMAS POLISE >>>>>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Hello Mr. Polise, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements. >> According >>> to >>>>> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a >>>>> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats >>>> appear >>>>> to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor >> hanging >>>> off >>>>> the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded >> in >>>> the >>>>> boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure >> what?s >>>>> going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward >> on >>>> the >>>>> trailer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> Mike Orro >>>>>> Triad Trailers LLC >>>>>> 5831 Triangle Drive >>>>>> Raleigh NC 27617 >>>>>> Phone: 919.782.6007 >>>>>> Fax: 919.782.6009 >>>>>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >>>>>> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com>> http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: THOMAS POLISE >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM >>>>>> To: Michael Orro >>>>>> Subject: Polise trailer >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image001.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 118783 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image002.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 146254 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image003.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 110770 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: IMG_4205.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 472069 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_0733.jpg >>> Type: image/jpg >>> Size: 3797557 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 20 08:13:29 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 08:13:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: <8B183AD5-0506-4872-BFE8-33E72E8465AA@sunnybeeches.com> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <8B183AD5-0506-4872-BFE8-33E72E8465AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <00fd01d74d71$8c9b9a50$a5d2cef0$@ca> What terrific drawings. Thanks for finding these Peter. I am going to have to learn for to find things in the archives. Not sure where to start. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 7:39 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Todd?s post with the trailer diagrams is here: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2009-September/062414.html Peter Sent from my iPad > On May 20, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > There is a dimensioned drawing in the Archives. The axle position in the > drawing was taken from several different Triad trailers which were the > same. On some trailers the axle was a few inches forward. > > Todd Tavares. > >> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:16 PM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Does anyone know what the "ideal" distance from the ball to the axle would >> be on the RC trailer? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of Todd Tavares >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >> >> If I remember correctly, there were different axle positions on single >> axles over the years when measured from the center of the ball of the fully >> retracted extension (or fixed winch tower. The axle (spring mounts) was >> moved rearward more than a few inches. I remember this coming up in the >> list discussions after I made the dimensions trailer drawing now in the >> archives. Slim's axle may have been one that was too far forward....I >> don't recall, but Slim may have been one of the guys who measured their >> trailer for me. This measurement did differ from the trailer I bought from >> Lloyd Crowther later on. Some other members went out and measured their >> axle positions and I edited the drawing. >> Adding a second axle may help with the fishtailing but at the same time >> could be masking the original axle position problem and lead to lower than >> possible tongue weights. Even when adding a second axle, the correct single >> axle position (which sets tongue weight) is important because that becomes >> the new center point for the double axles. >> >> Todd T. >> >> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> >>> Graham, >>> If the additional weight were so-called ?sprung weight?, the issue you >>> raise would be valid. But, we?re talking about adding pieces/parts that >>> are mostly unsprung weight, (i.e. not supported by the trailer?s >> springs). >>> The weight of the axles, most of the leaf springs, wheels, brakes, and >>> tires is supported only by the tires. Therefore, these pieces/parts do >> not >>> contribute to tongue weight. In the case of Slim?s trailer, adding the >>> second axle behind the original axle caused a fraction of the total load >> to >>> be taken up by the new axle. In the case of tandem axles, you have >>> calculate the position of an imaginary radius of pitch rotation, i.e. a >>> point in space which defines the radius of the moment arm thru which the >>> load is applied. A rigorous calculation is quite involved; but, the >>> approximate solution is midway between the two axles. Since the radius >>> moved aft, more of the load is carried forward of the radius, resulting >> in >>> more tongue weight. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graham Stewart >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:33 AM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> Roger: >>> A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front >>> axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles >>> would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an >>> axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch >>> radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway >>> between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle >>> and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the >>> weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the >> new >>> pivot point is in this scenario. >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> Slim, >>> >>> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center >>> of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem >>> wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case >> not >>> enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, >> you >>> would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. >>> the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don?t exceed the tire load >>> rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the >>> front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I >>> don?t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to >>> replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to >>> oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a >>> steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I?ve owned it. In >>> both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer! >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Steven Alm >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer >>> >>> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the first >>> axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this work >> myself. I >>> checked with several shops in my area until I found one who I felt would >>> do it right. They also fabricated new fenders over the wheels ? single >> long >>> fenders covering both wheels. I don?t know what the tongue weight is but >> it >>> weighs down the back of the vehicle about two inches, so at least a >> couple >>> hundred pounds, probably more. They added electric breaks to the front >>> wheels and installed the controller up next to the steering column. In >> the >>> last 25 years I?ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4 >>> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without >> any >>> issues. >>> >>> Slim >>> Fandango >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because it >>> is >>>> heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the v-berth since >>>> that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off the transom. I >>>> help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern >>> rail. >>>> >>>> My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the >> motor >>>> so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole assembly. >> I >>>> had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver through the >>> cabin >>>> without scraping anything. The cover is made such that I can put on >> and >>>> take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat. >>>> >>>> The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to get >>> the >>>> boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to towing >> but >>>> haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad >> single >>>> axle trailer. >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer >>> with >>>>> the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had >> this >>>>> problem and resolved without having to take motor off? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Michael Orro >>>>>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT >>>>>> To: THOMAS POLISE >>>>>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Hello Mr. Polise, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements. >> According >>> to >>>>> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I?ve attached a >>>>> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats >>>> appear >>>>> to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor >> hanging >>>> off >>>>> the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs to be loaded >> in >>>> the >>>>> boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I?m not sure >> what?s >>>>> going on. I?m surprised they can?t move the boat a bit more forward >> on >>>> the >>>>> trailer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> Mike Orro >>>>>> Triad Trailers LLC >>>>>> 5831 Triangle Drive >>>>>> Raleigh NC 27617 >>>>>> Phone: 919.782.6007 >>>>>> Fax: 919.782.6009 >>>>>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com >>>>>> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com>> http://www.TriadTrailers.com%3chttp:/www.TriadTrailers.com>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: THOMAS POLISE >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM >>>>>> To: Michael Orro >>>>>> Subject: Polise trailer >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image001.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 118783 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image002.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 146254 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: image003.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 110770 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: IMG_4205.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 472069 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210428/a67dd07a/attachment-0003.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_0733.jpg >>> Type: image/jpg >>> Size: 3797557 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210518/1df4a5a3/attachment.jpg >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 20 09:33:03 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 09:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> Message-ID: <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the drawings specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am wondering if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the difficulty. The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between older and newer iterations of the boat? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu May 20 09:44:09 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 06:44:09 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Message-ID: Graham, I'd hold off on spending time learning to search the archives. I 'cheated' to find Todd's documents by using some new rhodes22.org website features that are currently in development, but I hope will be implemented in the not-too-distant future. Specifically, in this case, all I had to do was scroll through a list of thumbnails of every attachment from Todd since the start of the list. No special search skill were required. This reply is being created using another new feature of the website. Let's see if this works correctly. Stay tuned... --Peter > On 2021-05-20, at 08:13:29 EDT, Graham Stewart wrote: > > What terrific drawings. Thanks for finding these Peter. I am going to have to > learn for to find things in the archives. Not sure where to start. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 20 10:07:23 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 10:07:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010601d74d81$762560c0$62702240$@ca> Thanks Peter. I got your response. I look forward to seeing these new features. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:44 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer Graham, I'd hold off on spending time learning to search the archives. I 'cheated' to find Todd's documents by using some new rhodes22.org website features that are currently in development, but I hope will be implemented in the not-too-distant future. Specifically, in this case, all I had to do was scroll through a list of thumbnails of every attachment from Todd since the start of the list. No special search skill were required. This reply is being created using another new feature of the website. Let's see if this works correctly. Stay tuned... --Peter > On 2021-05-20, at 08:13:29 EDT, Graham Stewart wrote: > > What terrific drawings. Thanks for finding these Peter. I am going to have to > learn for to find things in the archives. Not sure where to start. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu May 20 10:46:33 2021 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 10:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. Best of luck Cary On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the drawings > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am wondering > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the difficulty. > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between older > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 20 10:51:09 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 14:51:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> , <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, If the single axle on your boat trailer is 7 inches too far forward; then, that?s huge! This is undoubtedly the source of your problem. The previous statement about the boat ?looking? like it?s sitting in the right spot on the bunks is irrelevant. The fact that the tongue weight is too low when the engine is mounted on the transom is diagnostic of the boat being too far back on the trailer. It is completely reasonable for you to expect to be able to trailer your boat with the engine mounted. On my Lil Dude trailer, the position of the bow stop can be adjusted. On my trailer, this adjustment is made by loosening 3 U-Bolt clamps on the trailer tongue and sliding the base of the bow stop assembly fore and aft on the tongue. Once you?ve moved the bow stop forward, you also have to adjust the vertical position of the supports for the bunk boards. On my trailer, these vertical positions are also adjustable. Adjusting the vertical positions of the bunk board supports changes the shape of the bunk boards. You change the shape of the bunk boards such that the hull will sit more forward on the trailer. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium originally came with a 6 hp 2-cycle Evinrude outboard. When I upgraded to the current, heavier 8 hp 4 cycle Honda outboard, I moved the bow stop on my trailer forward about 2 inches to compensate for the extra weight on the transom. The adjustment to the bunk boards was minor. As I recall, only the front bunk supports (my trailer has 4 bunk supports on each side) had to be lowered a fraction of an inch. I would think that any boat dealer that sells trailerable boats could make these adjustments for you for a nominal fee. If you either can?t or don?t want to adjust the position of the boat; then, you could always consider adding more weight to the tongue. A few hundred lbs of pig iron would be cheap and easy to clamp onto the tongue. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:33 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the drawings specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am wondering if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the difficulty. The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between older and newer iterations of the boat? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 20 10:58:56 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: I got appx 74" from the rear to the center of the axle tube. The bunks extend another 3". It wasn't exactly a flat measurement: 3.5" from frame to dropaxle tube. My dad is all giddy about doing something this summer. I have a slight bend in my axle... Lots of camber... A pic of the specimen attached. On Thu, May 20, 2021, 9:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > Best of luck > Cary > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > drawings > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > wondering > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > difficulty. > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > older > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210520_095809.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5008489 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu May 20 11:11:33 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 11:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear bunk support is not the best reference. Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front (from horizontal). I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward measurements..but I do not know. Todd T. On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > Best of luck > Cary > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > drawings > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > wondering > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > difficulty. > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > older > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 20 11:31:28 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 10:31:28 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: I agree the forward measurements are more critical. I was scratch my head at 79" going, hey this is like 184".... LoL (wanted to measure ball to axle) On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:11 AM Todd Tavares wrote: > By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really > should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better > standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the > coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear > bunk support is not the best reference. > Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). > Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front > (from horizontal). > > I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward > dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward > measurements..but I do not know. > > Todd T. > > On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is > , > > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > replaced > > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > You > > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > > > Best of luck > > Cary > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > > drawings > > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > > wondering > > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > enough > > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > trailer > > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > difficulty. > > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > 77". > > > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > > older > > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Thu May 20 12:32:35 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 16:32:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> , Message-ID: I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing force is applied. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear bunk support is not the best reference. Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front (from horizontal). I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward measurements..but I do not know. Todd T. On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > Best of luck > Cary > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > drawings > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > wondering > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > difficulty. > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > older > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 20 12:50:01 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 12:50:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> Message-ID: <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different structure. The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is 172" Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing force is applied. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear bunk support is not the best reference. Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front (from horizontal). I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward measurements..but I do not know. Todd T. On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > Best of luck > Cary > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > drawings > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > wondering > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > difficulty. > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > older > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 20 16:54:55 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 20:54:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> , <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the trailer, or add weight to the tongue. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different structure. The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is 172" Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing force is applied. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear bunk support is not the best reference. Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front (from horizontal). I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward measurements..but I do not know. Todd T. On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is , > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar replaced > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. You > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > Best of luck > Cary > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > drawings > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > wondering > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far enough > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their trailer > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > difficulty. > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is 77". > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > older > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu May 20 16:58:31 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 16:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, Fill your water tank. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham, > > Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue > weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want > to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on > the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the > trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the > drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the > easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > structure. > > The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is > 172" > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball > socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing > force is applied. - Rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd > Tavares > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really > should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better > standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the > coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear > bunk support is not the best reference. > Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). > Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front > (from horizontal). > > I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward > dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward > measurements..but I do not know. > > Todd T. > > On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > > Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > > measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is > , > > DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. > > My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > replaced > > and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > > extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > > trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > You > > know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was > > manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > > > Best of luck > > Cary > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings > > > prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > > drawings > > > specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > > wondering > > > if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > enough > > > forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > trailer > > > to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > difficulty. > > > The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > 77". > > > > > > Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > > older > > > and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 20 17:20:10 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 21:20:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> , Message-ID: Graham, Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It certainly won?t hurt. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Graham, > > Fill your water tank. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different >> structure. >> >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is >> 172" >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing >> force is applied. - Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd >> Tavares >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. >> >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear >> bunk support is not the best reference. >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front >> (from horizontal). >> >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward >> measurements..but I do not know. >> >> Todd T. >> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is >> , >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar >> replaced >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. >> You >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. >>> >>> Best of luck >>> Cary >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the >>> drawings >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am >>> wondering >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far >> enough >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their >> trailer >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the >>> difficulty. >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is >> 77". >>>> >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between >>> older >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 20 21:59:15 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 21:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> Message-ID: <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It certainly won?t hurt. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Graham, > > Fill your water tank. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different >> structure. >> >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is >> 172" >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing >> force is applied. - Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd >> Tavares >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. >> >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear >> bunk support is not the best reference. >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front >> (from horizontal). >> >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward >> measurements..but I do not know. >> >> Todd T. >> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is >> , >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar >> replaced >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. >> You >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. >>> >>> Best of luck >>> Cary >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the >>> drawings >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am >>> wondering >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far >> enough >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their >> trailer >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the >>> difficulty. >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is >> 77". >>>> >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between >>> older >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 21 08:03:28 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 12:03:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> , <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering it down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat and single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it low enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on the frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your single axle needs to be moved to. By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water tank located? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It certainly won?t hurt. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Graham, > > Fill your water tank. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different >> structure. >> >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is >> 172" >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing >> force is applied. - Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd >> Tavares >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. >> >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear >> bunk support is not the best reference. >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front >> (from horizontal). >> >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward >> measurements..but I do not know. >> >> Todd T. >> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is >> , >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar >> replaced >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. >> You >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. >>> >>> Best of luck >>> Cary >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the >>> drawings >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am >>> wondering >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far >> enough >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their >> trailer >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the >>> difficulty. >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is >> 77". >>>> >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between >>> older >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri May 21 11:26:07 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 11:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> Message-ID: <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been obvious to me. My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a smaller poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. When I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given that my boat is docked in front of my house. Where is your water tank located? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering it down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat and single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it low enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on the frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your single axle needs to be moved to. By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water tank located? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It certainly won?t hurt. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Graham, > > Fill your water tank. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different >> structure. >> >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is >> 172" >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing >> force is applied. - Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd >> Tavares >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. >> >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear >> bunk support is not the best reference. >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front >> (from horizontal). >> >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward >> measurements..but I do not know. >> >> Todd T. >> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is >> , >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar >> replaced >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. >> You >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. >>> >>> Best of luck >>> Cary >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the >>> drawings >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am >>> wondering >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far >> enough >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their >> trailer >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the >>> difficulty. >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is >> 77". >>>> >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between >>> older >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> From mwhornblower at gmail.com Fri May 21 11:50:40 2021 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Hornblower) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 08:50:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard Message-ID: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello everyone, I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing on White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin Cities). I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my kids are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as much interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love to get some of your opinions. Thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Fri May 21 12:28:45 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 12:28:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Matt, I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing on > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin Cities). > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my kids > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as much > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love to > get some of your opinions. > > Thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stevenalm at gmail.com Fri May 21 12:49:57 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 11:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I went out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his drawing shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, wouldn't I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? That would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow stop slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. Slim Fandango On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been obvious > to me. > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a smaller > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. When > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > Where is your water tank located? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Graham, > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering it > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat and > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it low > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on the > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your > single axle needs to be moved to. > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water > tank located? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Graham, > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It > certainly won?t hurt. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > ?Graham, > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Graham, > >> > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your > tongue > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t > want > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Graham Stewart > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > >> structure. > >> > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing > is > >> 172" > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > >> Of > >> Lowe, Rob > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the > ball > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing > >> force is applied. - Rob > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd > >> Tavares > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark > really > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume > the > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > >> > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the > rear > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at > trig). > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the > front > >> (from horizontal). > >> > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > forward > >> measurements..but I do not know. > >> > >> Todd T. > >> > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >>> > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it > is > >> , > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > confusion.. > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > >> replaced > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > >> You > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer > was > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > >>> > >>> Best of luck > >>> Cary > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > drawings > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > >>> drawings > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > >>> wondering > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > >> enough > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > >> trailer > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > >>> difficulty. > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > >> 77". > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > >>> older > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Graham Stewart > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>>> Kingston Ontario > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 21 12:55:47 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> , <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, As I assumed for your boat in my previous post because it?s the same model year R-22, my 15 gallon water tank is permanently mounted amidships at the aft end of the V-berth between the flotation foam and the low V-berth bulkhead. My battery is mounted on the port side of the water tank and there is under V-berth storage on the starboard side next to the water tank. No problem about the trailer. I can imagine how frustrating it must be to suspect your trailer was built wrong and have people telling you that you couldn?t trailer your boat with the outboard mounted. What nonsense! I?m glad I was able to help you. Good Luck! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:26 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been obvious to me. My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a smaller poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. When I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given that my boat is docked in front of my house. Where is your water tank located? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering it down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat and single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it low enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on the frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your single axle needs to be moved to. By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water tank located? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Graham, Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It certainly won?t hurt. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Graham, > > Fill your water tank. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your tongue >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t want >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different >> structure. >> >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing is >> 172" >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the ball >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing >> force is applied. - Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd >> Tavares >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion >> >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark really >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume the >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. >> >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the rear >> bunk support is not the best reference. >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at trig). >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the front >> (from horizontal). >> >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the forward >> measurements..but I do not know. >> >> Todd T. >> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it is >> , >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the confusion.. >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar >> replaced >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. >> You >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer was >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. >>> >>> Best of luck >>> Cary >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the drawings >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the >>> drawings >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am >>> wondering >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far >> enough >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their >> trailer >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the >>> difficulty. >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is >> 77". >>>> >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between >>> older >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> From mwhornblower at gmail.com Fri May 21 13:04:38 2021 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 12:04:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Stephen, Any thoughts on how many total capacity including foredeck and cabin? On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:29 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > Matt, > > I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. > > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > *Needham, MA* > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > on > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > Cities). > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > kids > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > much > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > to > > get some of your opinions. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Fri May 21 13:13:54 2021 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:13:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05FE615F-4C40-41A4-A5E1-D2FE99608D77@gmail.com> I have managed to sail with myself and my wife, my daughter and her husband, and three grandchildren of various sizes scampering about (in PFDs, of course). Not sure I would want more, unless some were below deck. I do love the roomy cockpit of these boats. Frank Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > ?Thanks Stephen, > > Any thoughts on how many total capacity including foredeck and cabin? > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:29 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. >> >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Carol Lee 2* >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower >> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing >> on >>> White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin >> Cities). >>> I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my >> kids >>> are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as >> much >>> interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love >> to >>> get some of your opinions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Matt Wilson >>> Hornblower II >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> From bgarrant at gmail.com Fri May 21 13:24:30 2021 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: <05FE615F-4C40-41A4-A5E1-D2FE99608D77@gmail.com> References: <05FE615F-4C40-41A4-A5E1-D2FE99608D77@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please keep in mine that the boat is VERY responsive to heeling with weight shifts from side to side. Managing that between adults and kids might be a bit challenging. Having noted that, I?ve single-handed on the Chester River for much of the 400 miles that I?ve sailed in the last two years. I find the responsiveness fun and very effective. Just an amazing boat and sailing experience Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie 2000 Kent Island, MD On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:13 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > I have managed to sail with myself and my wife, my daughter and her > husband, and three grandchildren of various sizes scampering about (in > PFDs, of course). Not sure I would want more, unless some were below > deck. I do love the roomy cockpit of these boats. > > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 21, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > > > ?Thanks Stephen, > > > > Any thoughts on how many total capacity including foredeck and cabin? > > > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:29 AM Stephen Staum > wrote: > >> > >> Matt, > >> > >> I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. > >> > >> > >> *Thanks and Stay Well,* > >> > >> *Stephen Staum* > >> *s/v Carol Lee 2* > >> *Needham, MA* > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > >> on > >>> White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > >> Cities). > >>> I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > >> kids > >>> are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > >> much > >>> interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > >> to > >>> get some of your opinions. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Matt Wilson > >>> Hornblower II > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>> > >> > From dlet3 at aol.com Fri May 21 13:34:15 2021 From: dlet3 at aol.com (DANA LETENDRE) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 11:34:15 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: <05FE615F-4C40-41A4-A5E1-D2FE99608D77@gmail.com> References: <05FE615F-4C40-41A4-A5E1-D2FE99608D77@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CA61E18-51E7-4D80-BBE1-DD5338863659@aol.com> Hi Matt, For what it?s worth, the Belize Port Authority has set a maximum limit of 8 on my Rhodes (2 crew, six passengers). I find that if I have more than four adults in the cockpit I need to remember to put the plug in the self-bailing drain in the floor of the cockpit or water comes in instead of goes out. When we have had 8 on board there is usually at least one or two on the foredeck and one or more in the cabin. It?s very snug with eight people, but not so bad if some of them are kids. Also, I try to avoid a full boat when then wind is blowing, say over 18 knots or so, just because it gets a bit crowded when trying to handle the sheets. Dana LeTendre ?Caye Dreams? San Pedro, Belize Sent from my iPad ???????? On May 21, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: ?I have managed to sail with myself and my wife, my daughter and her husband, and three grandchildren of various sizes scampering about (in PFDs, of course). Not sure I would want more, unless some were below deck. I do love the roomy cockpit of these boats. Frank Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > ?Thanks Stephen, > > Any thoughts on how many total capacity including foredeck and cabin? > >>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:29 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. >> >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Carol Lee 2* >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower >> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing >> on >>> White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin >> Cities). >>> I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my >> kids >>> are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as >> much >>> interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love >> to >>> get some of your opinions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Matt Wilson >>> Hornblower II >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 21 14:26:18 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 18:26:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, >From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on Lake Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day sail. As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to sample them all. My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. But, you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all kids. More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the floor cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you might need the cockpit drain to work. When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t already have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A good stereo system also helps. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hornblower Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard Hello everyone, I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing on White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin Cities). I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my kids are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as much interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love to get some of your opinions. Thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 21 14:41:11 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 18:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca>, Message-ID: Slim, As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much fancier interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs when rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted on the transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it weighed to be certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight criteria for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, you have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a little. But, having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is terrifying! So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case scenarios are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing truck. The trailer might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into a bad wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of excitement! If the present tongue weight isn?t causing some other issue, like something rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the incentive for reducing the tongue weight? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steven Alm Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I went out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his drawing shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, wouldn't I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? That would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow stop slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. Slim Fandango On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been obvious > to me. > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a smaller > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. When > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > Where is your water tank located? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Graham, > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering it > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat and > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it low > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on the > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your > single axle needs to be moved to. > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water > tank located? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to justify > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to me > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so obviously > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Graham, > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see the > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels because > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on your > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It > certainly won?t hurt. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > ?Graham, > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Graham, > >> > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your > tongue > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t > want > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward on > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on the > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Graham Stewart > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched the > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was the > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > >> structure. > >> > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the drawing > is > >> 172" > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > >> Of > >> Lowe, Rob > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the > ball > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the towing > >> force is applied. - Rob > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd > >> Tavares > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > >> > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark > really > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have better > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to assume > the > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > >> > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the > rear > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at > trig). > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the > front > >> (from horizontal). > >> > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more rearward > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > forward > >> measurements..but I do not know. > >> > >> Todd T. > >> > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >>> > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is a > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it > is > >> , > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > confusion.. > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > >> replaced > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in the > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > >> You > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer > was > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > >>> > >>> Best of luck > >>> Cary > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > drawings > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > >>> drawings > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > >>> wondering > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > >> enough > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > >> trailer > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > >>> difficulty. > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > >> 77". > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > >>> older > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Graham Stewart > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>>> Kingston Ontario > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Fri May 21 15:00:26 2021 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the sway. Yeah, been there. Cary. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:41 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Slim, > > As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much fancier > interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs when > rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted on the > transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it weighed to be > certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight criteria > for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, you > have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a little. But, > having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is terrifying! > So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case scenarios > are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing truck. The trailer > might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into a bad > wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of excitement! If the > present tongue weight isn?t causing some other issue, like something > rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the incentive for reducing the > tongue weight? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I went > out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his drawing > shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me > wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom > scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, wouldn't > I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? That > would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow stop > slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. > > Slim > Fandango > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I > > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been > obvious > > to me. > > > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got > > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the > > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious > > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a > smaller > > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had > > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding > > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. > When > > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I > > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given > > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > > > Where is your water tank located? > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Graham, > > > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic > > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering > it > > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the > > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack > > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. > > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of > > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat > and > > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of > > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both > > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s > > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it > low > > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater > > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on > the > > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your > > single axle needs to be moved to. > > > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water > > tank located? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for > > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to > justify > > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to > me > > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both > > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the > > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so > obviously > > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will > > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Graham, > > > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the > > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be > > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the > > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see > the > > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and > > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue > > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels > because > > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on > your > > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It > > certainly won?t hurt. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Graham, > > >> > > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your > > tongue > > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t > > want > > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward > on > > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on > the > > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> > > >> From: Graham Stewart > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched > the > > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was > the > > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > > >> structure. > > >> > > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the > drawing > > is > > >> 172" > > >> > > >> Graham Stewart > > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > >> Of > > >> Lowe, Rob > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the > > ball > > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the > towing > > >> force is applied. - Rob > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Todd > > >> Tavares > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark > > really > > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have > better > > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to > assume > > the > > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > >> > > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the > > rear > > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at > > trig). > > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the > > front > > >> (from horizontal). > > >> > > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more > rearward > > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > > forward > > >> measurements..but I do not know. > > >> > > >> Todd T. > > >> > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is > a > > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it > > is > > >> , > > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > > confusion.. > > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > > >> replaced > > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in > the > > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > > >> You > > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer > > was > > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > >>> > > >>> Best of luck > > >>> Cary > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > > drawings > > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > > >>> drawings > > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > > >>> wondering > > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > > >> enough > > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > > >> trailer > > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > >>> difficulty. > > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > > >> 77". > > >>>> > > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > > >>> older > > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 21 15:21:09 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 19:21:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> , Message-ID: Cary, Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cary Tolbert Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the sway. Yeah, been there. Cary. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:41 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Slim, > > As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much fancier > interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs when > rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted on the > transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it weighed to be > certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight criteria > for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, you > have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a little. But, > having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is terrifying! > So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case scenarios > are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing truck. The trailer > might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into a bad > wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of excitement! If the > present tongue weight isn?t causing some other issue, like something > rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the incentive for reducing the > tongue weight? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I went > out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his drawing > shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me > wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom > scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, wouldn't > I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? That > would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow stop > slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. > > Slim > Fandango > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I > > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been > obvious > > to me. > > > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I got > > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the > > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any obvious > > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a > smaller > > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also had > > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding > > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. > When > > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I > > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given > > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > > > Where is your water tank located? > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Graham, > > > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic > > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for trailering > it > > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on the > > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a jack > > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the scale. > > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% of > > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat > and > > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs of > > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on both > > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s > > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it > low > > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be greater > > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on > the > > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your > > single axle needs to be moved to. > > > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your water > > tank located? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution for > > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to > justify > > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem to > me > > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is both > > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of the > > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so > obviously > > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will > > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Graham, > > > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the > > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would be > > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because the > > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see > the > > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and > > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue > > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels > because > > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on > your > > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It > > certainly won?t hurt. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Graham, > > >> > > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your > > tongue > > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you don?t > > want > > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle backward > on > > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on > the > > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> > > >> From: Graham Stewart > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched > the > > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was > the > > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > > >> structure. > > >> > > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the > drawing > > is > > >> 172" > > >> > > >> Graham Stewart > > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > >> Of > > >> Lowe, Rob > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of the > > ball > > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the > towing > > >> force is applied. - Rob > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Todd > > >> Tavares > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > >> > > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark > > really > > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have > better > > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to > assume > > the > > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > >> > > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or the > > rear > > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at > > trig). > > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. The > > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the > > front > > >> (from horizontal). > > >> > > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more > rearward > > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of the > > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > > forward > > >> measurements..but I do not know. > > >> > > >> Todd T. > > >> > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat is > a > > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I just > > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and it > > is > > >> , > > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > > confusion.. > > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > > >> replaced > > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of the > > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in > the > > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the years. > > >> You > > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my trailer > > was > > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > >>> > > >>> Best of luck > > >>> Cary > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > > drawings > > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > > >>> drawings > > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > > >>> wondering > > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > > >> enough > > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > > >> trailer > > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > >>> difficulty. > > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine is > > >> 77". > > >>>> > > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time between > > >>> older > > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 21 15:43:16 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:43:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> , Message-ID: <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The most important is: A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. Maintaining Proper Air Pressure A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. Load Carrying Capacity All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to excessive loading. If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight distribution. Service Life Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed for use until the tread is completely worn out. After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires strength is gone. It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the remaining tread looks good. Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect the tires if stored in direct sunlight. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Cary, Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cary Tolbert Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the sway. Yeah, been there. Cary. From stevenalm at gmail.com Fri May 21 15:47:49 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 14:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: Roger. Yes, Fandango is a "newer" 1990 with IMF. In calculating my 10% wouldn't I also include the trailer weight? In that case I'm probably up around 4000 or more. Do you happen to know if just anyone can pull into a truck weigh station on the interstate? I don't know where else I could weigh. On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:21 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Cary, > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Cary Tolbert > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the > sway. Yeah, been there. > Cary. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:41 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Slim, > > > > As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much > fancier > > interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs when > > rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted on the > > transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it weighed to > be > > certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight > criteria > > for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, you > > have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a little. But, > > having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is terrifying! > > So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case scenarios > > are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing truck. The > trailer > > might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into a bad > > wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of excitement! If the > > present tongue weight isn?t causing some other issue, like something > > rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the incentive for reducing the > > tongue weight? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Steven Alm > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I > went > > out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his > drawing > > shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me > > wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom > > scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, > wouldn't > > I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? That > > would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow > stop > > slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. > > > > Slim > > Fandango > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had imagined. I > > > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been > > obvious > > > to me. > > > > > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I > got > > > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind the > > > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any > obvious > > > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > > > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a > > smaller > > > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also > had > > > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my holding > > > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > > > > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > > > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. > > When > > > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I need. I > > > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank given > > > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > > > > > Where is your water tank located? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 hydraulic > > > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for > trailering > > it > > > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > > > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on > the > > > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a > jack > > > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the > scale. > > > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > > > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% > of > > > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your boat > > and > > > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 lbs > of > > > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on > both > > > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the trailer?s > > > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > > > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get it > > low > > > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be > greater > > > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot on > > the > > > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where your > > > single axle needs to be moved to. > > > > > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > > > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your > water > > > tank located? > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution > for > > > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to > > justify > > > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem > to > > me > > > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is > both > > > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of > the > > > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so > > obviously > > > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > > > > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I will > > > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > > > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of the > > > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight would > be > > > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because > the > > > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not see > > the > > > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > and > > > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of tongue > > > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels > > because > > > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on > > your > > > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. It > > > certainly won?t hurt. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Graham, > > > >> > > > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that your > > > tongue > > > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you > don?t > > > want > > > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle > backward > > on > > > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward on > > the > > > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > > >> > > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >> > > > >> Sent from Mail for > > > >> Windows 10 > > > >> > > > >> From: Graham Stewart > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > > > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions matched > > the > > > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it was > > the > > > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > > > >> structure. > > > >> > > > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where the > > > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the > > drawing > > > is > > > >> 172" > > > >> > > > >> Graham Stewart > > > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf > > > >> Of > > > >> Lowe, Rob > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of > the > > > ball > > > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the > > towing > > > >> force is applied. - Rob > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf > of > > > Todd > > > >> Tavares > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum point/benchmark > > > really > > > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have > > better > > > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to > > assume > > > the > > > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > > >> > > > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or > the > > > rear > > > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > > > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good at > > > trig). > > > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. > The > > > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in the > > > front > > > >> (from horizontal). > > > >> > > > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in axle > > > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more > > rearward > > > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of > the > > > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > > > forward > > > >> measurements..but I do not know. > > > >> > > > >> Todd T. > > > >> > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat > is > > a > > > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I > just > > > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle and > it > > > is > > > >> , > > > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > > > confusion.. > > > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension bar > > > >> replaced > > > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of > the > > > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation in > > the > > > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the > years. > > > >> You > > > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my > trailer > > > was > > > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > > >>> > > > >>> Best of luck > > > >>> Cary > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > > > drawings > > > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what the > > > >>> drawings > > > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I am > > > >>> wondering > > > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats far > > > >> enough > > > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of their > > > >> trailer > > > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > > >>> difficulty. > > > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine > is > > > >> 77". > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time > between > > > >>> older > > > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From talmorin at hotmail.com Fri May 21 15:51:02 2021 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 19:51:02 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> , , <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? Tom > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The most important is: > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > Load Carrying Capacity > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to excessive loading. > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight distribution. > > Service Life > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed for use until the tread is completely worn out. > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires strength is gone. > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the remaining tread looks good. > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Cary, > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Cary Tolbert > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the sway. Yeah, been there. > Cary. > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 21 15:53:53 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: <003401d74e7b$07bbefa0$1733cee0$@ebsmed.com> Town landfill or sanitation transfer stations have drive on scales. The local town landfill/recycling center folks always jokingly direct me to their personal vehicle as the point of recycling for a boat, when I weigh the trailer and boat. They don't charge any fee as long as I don't leave anything behind. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Steven Alm Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:48 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Roger. Yes, Fandango is a "newer" 1990 with IMF. In calculating my 10% wouldn't I also include the trailer weight? In that case I'm probably up around 4000 or more. Do you happen to know if just anyone can pull into a truck weigh station on the interstate? I don't know where else I could weigh. On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:21 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Cary, > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Cary Tolbert > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also > affect the sway. Yeah, been there. > Cary. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:41 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Slim, > > > > As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much > fancier > > interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs > > when rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted > > on the transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it > > weighed to > be > > certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight > criteria > > for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, > > you have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a > > little. But, having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is terrifying! > > So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case > > scenarios are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing > > truck. The > trailer > > might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into > > a bad wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of > > excitement! If the present tongue weight isn?t causing some other > > issue, like something rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the > > incentive for reducing the tongue weight? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Steven Alm > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing > > I > went > > out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his > drawing > > shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have > > me wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the > > bathroom scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. > > 310 lbs, > wouldn't > > I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? > > That would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning > > the bow > stop > > slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. > > > > Slim > > Fandango > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart > > > > wrote: > > > > > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had > > > imagined. I appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it > > > should have been > > obvious > > > to me. > > > > > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When > > > I > got > > > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind > > > the V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there > > > any > obvious > > > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After > > > my rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank > > > with a > > smaller > > > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I > > > also > had > > > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my > > > holding tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > > > > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the > > > sink midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in it. > > When > > > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I > > > need. I have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill > > > the tank given that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > > > > > Where is your water tank located? > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 > > > hydraulic bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have > > > it for > trailering > > it > > > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, > > > empty porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard > > > mounted on > the > > > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need > > > a > jack > > > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the > scale. > > > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a > > > tongue weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is > > > about 10% > of > > > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your > > > boat > > and > > > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 > > > lbs > of > > > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot > > > on > both > > > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the > > > trailer?s frame at approximately the same level as when it was > > > supported by the tires. Note that you will probably have to > > > remove the tires to get it > > low > > > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be > greater > > > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a > > > spot on > > the > > > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where > > > your single axle needs to be moved to. > > > > > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s > > > had porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is > > > your > water > > > tank located? > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best > > > solution > for > > > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to > > justify > > > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue > > > seem > to > > me > > > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward > > > is > both > > > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft > > > of > the > > > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so > > obviously > > > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > > > > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I > > > will have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might > > > determine that distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of > > > the V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional > > > weight would > be > > > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. > > > Because > the > > > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not > > > see > > the > > > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic > > > Equilibrium > and > > > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of > > > tongue weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer > > > wheels > > because > > > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation > > > on > > your > > > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. > > > It certainly won?t hurt. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Graham, > > > >> > > > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that > > > >> your > > > tongue > > > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If > > > >> you > don?t > > > want > > > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle > backward > > on > > > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat > > > >> forward on > > the > > > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > > >> > > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >> > > > >> Sent from Mail > > > >> for Windows 10 > > > >> > > > >> From: Graham Stewart > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > > > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email > > > >> List' > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions > > > >> matched > > the > > > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because > > > >> it was > > the > > > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a > > > >> different structure. > > > >> > > > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where > > > >> the extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on > > > >> the > > drawing > > > is > > > >> 172" > > > >> > > > >> Graham Stewart > > > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > > > >> On > > > Behalf > > > >> Of > > > >> Lowe, Rob > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center > > > >> of > the > > > ball > > > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where > > > >> the > > towing > > > >> force is applied. - Rob > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on > > > >> behalf > of > > > Todd > > > >> Tavares > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > >> > > > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum > > > >> point/benchmark > > > really > > > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would > > > >> have > > better > > > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have > > > >> to > > assume > > > the > > > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > > >> > > > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame > > > >> or > the > > > rear > > > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > > > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never > > > >> good at > > > trig). > > > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. > The > > > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in > > > >> the > > > front > > > >> (from horizontal). > > > >> > > > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in > > > >> axle positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the > > > >> more > > rearward > > > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings > > > >> of > the > > > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show > > > >> the > > > forward > > > >> measurements..but I do not know. > > > >> > > > >> Todd T. > > > >> > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert > > > >>> > > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the > > > >>> boat > is > > a > > > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. > > > >>> I > just > > > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle > > > >>> and > it > > > is > > > >> , > > > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > > > confusion.. > > > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension > > > >>> bar > > > >> replaced > > > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length > > > >>> of > the > > > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second > > > >>> generation in > > the > > > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the > years. > > > >> You > > > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my > trailer > > > was > > > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > > >>> > > > >>> Best of luck > > > >>> Cary > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to > > > >>>> the > > > drawings > > > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what > > > >>>> the > > > >>> drawings > > > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. > > > >>>> I am > > > >>> wondering > > > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats > > > >>>> far > > > >> enough > > > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of > > > >>>> their > > > >> trailer > > > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for > > > >>>> the > > > >>> difficulty. > > > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but > > > >>>> mine > is > > > >> 77". > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time > between > > > >>> older > > > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ruckc at yahoo.com Fri May 21 15:56:40 2021 From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:56:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> Message-ID: Speaking from experience weighing trailers for reimbursement on moving costs, there are alot more public scales around than you think. I weighed at pilot gas stations, places with dump trucks. Just google public scales on google maps. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 15:47 Steven Alm wrote: > Roger. Yes, Fandango is a "newer" 1990 with IMF. In calculating my 10% > wouldn't I also include the trailer weight? In that case I'm probably up > around 4000 or more. Do you happen to know if just anyone can pull into a > truck weigh station on the interstate? I don't know where else I could > weigh. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:21 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Cary, > > > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Cary Tolbert > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect > the > > sway. Yeah, been there. > > Cary. > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:41 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > > Slim, > > > > > > As I recall, Fandango is a newer R-22 with IMF mainsail and a much > > fancier > > > interior. Your boat and trailer probably weighs more than 3100 lbs > when > > > rigged for trailering with full tanks and the outboard mounted on the > > > transom. 3600 lbs wouldn?t surprise me; but, I would get it weighed to > > be > > > certain. Then, I would use the > 10% of the gross trailer weight > > criteria > > > for the minimum tongue weight. If it?s stable on the highway; then, > you > > > have enough tongue weight and might be able to back off a little. But, > > > having the trailer go into a death sway on the expressway is > terrifying! > > > So, be careful. On my boat/trailer combination, the worst case > scenarios > > > are strong crosswinds &/or the shockwave from a passing truck. The > > trailer > > > might be nominally stable only to fail an ?insult test? and go into a > bad > > > wobble. My wife won?t allow me to have that kind of excitement! If > the > > > present tongue weight isn?t causing some other issue, like something > > > rubbing or dragging on the ground, what?s the incentive for reducing > the > > > tongue weight? > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Steven Alm > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 12:50 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > This discussion has made me curious, and after seeing Todd's drawing I > > went > > > out and measured and yes, my front axle is 6" in front of what his > > drawing > > > shows, and my rear axle is 36" behind that. But Roger, you now have me > > > wondering if my tongue weight is too much. I haven't taken the bathroom > > > scale to it ? and I will ? but if it's more than approx. 310 lbs, > > wouldn't > > > I be able to achieve that by loading the boat a little farther back? > That > > > would be easy to do and I could be pretty exact by positioning the bow > > stop > > > slightly rearward when I load. Thanks. > > > > > > Slim > > > Fandango > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Perfect. Thanks Roger. That is much simpler than what I had > imagined. I > > > > appreciate your patience as now that I see it, it should have been > > > obvious > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > My boat has always had a full marine toilet and holding tank. When I > > got > > > > my boat about 26 years ago the holding tank was immediately behind > the > > > > V-birth and there was no water tank on the boat nor was there any > > obvious > > > > place where one had been even though there was a deck fill. After my > > > > rebuild I replaced the old metal, and leaking, holding tank with a > > > smaller > > > > poly tank in the same place as the previous tank had been but I also > > had > > > > room for my battery. Because I just day sail in recent years my > holding > > > > tank is empty all of the time - so no weight there to speak of. > > > > > > > > For water I am using a removable jerry can that stays below the sink > > > > midship on the starboard side. Again, there is rarely any water in > it. > > > When > > > > I need water I just take the can up to my house and fill what I > need. I > > > > have a deck fill installed but it is easier to just fill the tank > given > > > > that my boat is docked in front of my house. > > > > > > > > Where is your water tank located? > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 8:03 AM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > You will need a bathroom scale that reads up to 350 lbs and 2 > hydraulic > > > > bottle jacks. First load up the boat as you will have it for > > trailering > > > it > > > > down the road. In my case, that includes a full tank of fuel, empty > > > > porta-potti, full water tank, and of course, the outboard mounted on > > the > > > > transom. I assume you have a tongue jack? If not, you will need a > > jack > > > > stand or something to support the end of the tongue on top of the > > scale. > > > > Start by putting the tongue jack on top of the scale and get a tongue > > > > weight measurement. The rule of thumb for tongue weight is about 10% > > of > > > > the gross trailer weight in order to have stability. Figure your > boat > > > and > > > > single axle trailer weighs about 3100 lbs. So, you need about 310 > lbs > > of > > > > tongue weight. Now, jack the trailer frame up from the same spot on > > both > > > > sides. I would start immediately behind the tires. Get the > trailer?s > > > > frame at approximately the same level as when it was supported by the > > > > tires. Note that you will probably have to remove the tires to get > it > > > low > > > > enough. Now, measure the tongue weight as before. It should be > > greater > > > > than before. Keep moving the jack points aft until you find a spot > on > > > the > > > > frame that gives you about 310 lbs of tongue weight. That?s where > your > > > > single axle needs to be moved to. > > > > > > > > By the way, your R-22 is the same year as mine. The early R-22?s had > > > > porta-potti?s, not marine toilets and holding tanks. Where is your > > water > > > > tank located? > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:59 PM > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. It seems that the best solution > > for > > > > me would be to have the axle moved back. I don't trailer enough to > > > justify > > > > the second axle and the other option to add weight to the tongue seem > > to > > > me > > > > to be a workaround rather than a fix and moving the boat forward is > > both > > > > very difficult and damaging to the hull. The area immediately aft of > > the > > > > V-birth hold my holding tank and battery, not my water tank, so > > > obviously > > > > I am not going to keep my holding tank full permanently. > > > > > > > > The big question for me now is to determine exactly how far aft I > will > > > > have the axle moved. If anyone can suggest how I might determine that > > > > distance I would be grateful to hear your suggestions. > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:20 PM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > Assuming you have a 15 gallon water tank mounted at the aft end of > the > > > > V-berths, filling it would add ~125 lbs. This additional weight > would > > be > > > > located at about the front end of the bunks on the trailer. Because > > the > > > > weight is not located right on the end of the tongue, you will not > see > > > the > > > > full 125 lbs as additional tongue weight. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > and > > > > my Lil Dude trailer, filling the water tank adds about 48 lbs of > tongue > > > > weight. The rest of the 125 lbs is loaded onto the trailer wheels > > > because > > > > of the location of the water tank. If the tongue weight situation on > > > your > > > > trailer is causing marginal stability; this extra 48 lbs may help. > It > > > > certainly won?t hurt. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Rick Lange > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > > > Fill your water tank. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:54 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Graham, > > > > >> > > > > >> Whatever the reference point or the measurement, the fact that > your > > > > tongue > > > > >> weight is too low tells you everything you need to know. If you > > don?t > > > > want > > > > >> to just live with it, your options are: move the single axle > > backward > > > on > > > > >> the trailer, add a 2nd axle behind the 1st, move the boat forward > on > > > the > > > > >> trailer, or add weight to the tongue. > > > > >> > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > >> > > > > >> Sent from Mail > for > > > > >> Windows 10 > > > > >> > > > > >> From: Graham Stewart > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:50 PM > > > > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > > >> > > > > >> Sorry for the confusion. Because all of the other dimensions > matched > > > the > > > > >> drawing I used the distance from the axle to the back because it > was > > > the > > > > >> easiest measurement forgetting that others might have a different > > > > >> structure. > > > > >> > > > > >> The distance between the center of the axle and the point where > the > > > > >> extension enters the trailer is 165" while that distance on the > > > drawing > > > > is > > > > >> 172" > > > > >> > > > > >> Graham Stewart > > > > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > Behalf > > > > >> Of > > > > >> Lowe, Rob > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:33 PM > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > > >> > > > > >> I agree with Todd that the reference point should be the center of > > the > > > > ball > > > > >> socket. That's where the tongue weight is measure and where the > > > towing > > > > >> force is applied. - Rob > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ________________________________ > > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on > behalf > > of > > > > Todd > > > > >> Tavares > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:11 AM > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle locattion > > > > >> > > > > >> By looking at these old drawings, I guess the datum > point/benchmark > > > > really > > > > >> should have been the center of the ball socket, which would have > > > better > > > > >> standardized the tongue weight (and balance). That would have to > > > assume > > > > the > > > > >> coupler and extension lengths were somewhat uniform. > > > > >> > > > > >> Measuring the axle position from the rear of the trailer frame or > > the > > > > rear > > > > >> bunk support is not the best reference. > > > > >> Also, the angles of the bunks are a little off (I was never good > at > > > > trig). > > > > >> Thankfully my carpenter's calculator has a rise over run function. > > The > > > > >> angles for the bunks are closer to 22.5? in the rear and 37? in > the > > > > front > > > > >> (from horizontal). > > > > >> > > > > >> I seemed to remember there was approximately a 6" difference in > axle > > > > >> positions between owners' trailers, but most reported the more > > > rearward > > > > >> dimension so I changed the drawing. There may be early drawings of > > the > > > > >> trailer in the archives before I edited the drawing which show the > > > > forward > > > > >> measurements..but I do not know. > > > > >> > > > > >> Todd T. > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021, 10:46 AM Cary Tolbert < > retiredtoby at gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Graham, my boat is an '86 and the trailer that came with the boat > > is > > > a > > > > >>> Triad.. Therefore I must assume the trailer is an 86 as well. I > > just > > > > >>> measured from the end of the trailer to the center of the axle > and > > it > > > > is > > > > >> , > > > > >>> DRUM ROLL . . . . . . . . . 75 1/2 inch. Sorry to add to the > > > > confusion.. > > > > >>> My front end measurements may also be off. I had the extension > bar > > > > >> replaced > > > > >>> and last year added a braking system which added to the length of > > the > > > > >>> extension with a brake actuator. Mike is the second generation > in > > > the > > > > >>> trailer company and I am sure the trailer has evolved over the > > years. > > > > >> You > > > > >>> know that Stan is always tinkering with something. I think my > > trailer > > > > was > > > > >>> manufactured in Connecticut . The newer trailers are made in NC. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best of luck > > > > >>> Cary > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Graham Stewart < > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> I just measured the location of my axle and compared it to the > > > > drawings > > > > >>>> prepared by Todd and found that my axle is 7" forward of what > the > > > > >>> drawings > > > > >>>> specify. That strikes me as a pretty significant difference. I > am > > > > >>> wondering > > > > >>>> if the others who have found it impossible to get their boats > far > > > > >> enough > > > > >>>> forward might also measure the distance between the back of > their > > > > >> trailer > > > > >>>> to the center of the axle to see if this is the reason for the > > > > >>> difficulty. > > > > >>>> The drawing stipulates that this distance should be 70" but mine > > is > > > > >> 77". > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Does anyone know whether this dimension changed at some time > > between > > > > >>> older > > > > >>>> and newer iterations of the boat? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 21 15:59:32 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> , , <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <003501d74e7b$d1eaaa00$75bffe00$@ebsmed.com> I was always trained to jack up the trailer during storage. I use two additional trailer jacks, one on each side, rated for the weight, located just behind the wheels. This also prevents tipping when I climb up the boarding ladder after placing the battery in the stern. Tires should not be kept in contact with pavement as the oils from asphalt will damage the rubber. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Thomas s Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? Tom > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The most important is: > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > Load Carrying Capacity > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to excessive loading. > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight distribution. > > Service Life > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed for use until the tread is completely worn out. > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires strength is gone. > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the remaining tread looks good. > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Cary, > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Cary Tolbert > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect the sway. Yeah, been there. > Cary. > > > From mwhornblower at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:03:15 2021 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:03:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on Lake > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day sail. > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to > sample them all. > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. But, > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all kids. > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the floor > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you might > need the cockpit drain to work. > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t already > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A > good stereo system also helps. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Hornblower > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > Hello everyone, > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing on > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin Cities). > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my kids > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as much > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love to > get some of your opinions. > > Thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:13:04 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:13:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1621627984657-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Tom, My first and only outboard was a five year old 9.9 Mercury (Tohatsu) and I had similar problems with it. I read all this advice and thought hey I never did any of this stuff. Then I Googled it and all the advice is very sound. However, after immediately taking the outboard to a mechanic he told me to just use Startron or Stabil fuel additive. I used Starton for the nine years I had the outboard and never again had single problem. Maybe I was just lucky. Lee Soon to have a 1999 recycled Rhodes22 yet to be named Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 16:32:24 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: <003501d74e7b$d1eaaa00$75bffe00$@ebsmed.com> References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> <003501d74e7b$d1eaaa00$75bffe00$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Roger, you asked what's wrong with too much young weight. It risks your steering wheels (front of tow vehicle) lifting off the ground... Which means loss of control potentially. There is one haneous bump by our off ramp. I swear the front wheels lifted off. I was going too fast for the bump.... In a 35mph zone. And had over 400 on the tounge. It was when I was taking her to storage in the fall. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I was always trained to jack up the trailer during storage. I use two > additional trailer jacks, one on each side, rated for the weight, located > just behind the wheels. This also prevents tipping when I climb up the > boarding ladder after placing the battery in the stern. > > Tires should not be kept in contact with pavement as the oils from asphalt > will damage the rubber. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? > > Tom > > > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The > most important is: > > > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON > THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated > on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to > the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum > inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > > > Load Carrying Capacity > > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the > tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and > its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to > meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both > tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to > excessive loading. > > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue > height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight > distribution. > > > > Service Life > > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed > for use until the tread is completely worn out. > > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires > strength is gone. > > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the > remaining tread looks good. > > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, > or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a > cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire > and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect > the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Cary, > > > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Cary Tolbert > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect > the sway. Yeah, been there. > > Cary. > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 16:37:22 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 15:37:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: <1621627984657-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> <1621627984657-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Lee! Yes, added sta-bil and some of that fancy marinetech gas. Purring smoother than ever. Now to reroute the electrics I hooked up over instead of under... Tomorrow we are shooting for our maiden sail. Should be 8-15kts with 30% chance of rain in afternoon(I hate big zip codes lol)... Fair winds everyone, stay safe. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:13 PM Lee wrote: > Tom, > > My first and only outboard was a five year old 9.9 Mercury (Tohatsu) and I > had similar problems with it. I read all this advice and thought hey I > never did any of this stuff. Then I Googled it and all the advice is very > sound. > > However, after immediately taking the outboard to a mechanic he told me to > just use Startron or Stabil fuel additive. I used Starton for the nine > years I had the outboard and never again had single problem. Maybe I was > just lucky. > > Lee > Soon to have a 1999 recycled Rhodes22 yet to be named > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:44:21 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:44:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the Internet, and Stan. Looks like: 17-inch coupling height 2-inch ball 4-prong electrical connection safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could create a variety of handling and braking issues. Lee Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:44:23 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:44:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I had 2 families of four once for sailing. The children were all teenagers so it was crowded. I had 8 adults once just for drinks on the mooring and the cockpit drain went below water level. We were dressed for a Saturday night event at my old club & some got their dress shoes wet. Stephen On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:04 PM Matt Wilson wrote: > Thanks Stephen, > > Any thoughts on how many total capacity including foredeck and cabin? > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:29 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > > > Matt, > > > > I find that 5 persons in the cockpit is the practical limit for sailing. > > > > > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Hornblower > > wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > > on > > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > > Cities). > > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > > kids > > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > > much > > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > > to > > > get some of your opinions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt Wilson > > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:56:51 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:56:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Impressive! But when I went to Peter's youtube I got some guy telling me about testosterone and I thought this Peter dude is in really good shape. After the advertisement I got to see Peter's video. Also very impressive. His boat. Lee -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:17:04 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! Rick Lange On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson wrote: > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on Lake > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day sail. > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to > > sample them all. > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. > But, > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all kids. > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the > floor > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you might > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t already > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Hornblower > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > on > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > Cities). > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > kids > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > much > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > to > > get some of your opinions. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:18:36 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: The prongs depend on your car, not the trailer. Rick Lange On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:44 PM Lee wrote: > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > Internet, and Stan. > > Looks like: > > 17-inch coupling height > > 2-inch ball > > 4-prong electrical connection > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > Lee > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 21 17:25:17 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> Lee, Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or 500 lbs., not 50 lbs. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the Internet, and Stan. Looks like: 17-inch coupling height 2-inch ball 4-prong electrical connection safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could create a variety of handling and braking issues. Lee Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 17:26:32 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Lee.... You know all adds are targeted? Use your wife's PC and you'll, hopefully, get a bunch of handbags and craft shit. LoL. I'm curious even after watching peters #30, how Jessie has so many lines on deck. J, are you running dual anchors too? Or? I thought your boat was IMF. Good fun y'all I don't have that many....lol On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:56 PM Lee wrote: > Impressive! > > But when I went to Peter's youtube I got some guy telling me about > testosterone and I thought this Peter dude is in really good shape. After > the advertisement I got to see Peter's video. Also very impressive. His > boat. > > Lee > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 17:28:55 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:28:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: But I agree we are all mostly, closer to 5k than 3k. Loaded and ready to go On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:25 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Lee, > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or > 500 > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > Internet, and Stan. > > Looks like: > > 17-inch coupling height > > 2-inch ball > > 4-prong electrical connection > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > Lee > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:30:57 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:30:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I've a round female receiver on the vehicle. Won't I need an adapter to connect to Triad's male 4-prong trailer? Or are they both gender neutral? On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:18 PM Rick Lange wrote: > The prongs depend on your car, not the trailer. > > Rick Lange > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:44 PM Lee wrote: > > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > > Internet, and Stan. > > > > Looks like: > > > > 17-inch coupling height > > > > 2-inch ball > > > > 4-prong electrical connection > > > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > weight. I > > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > will > > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > could > > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > > > Lee > > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:32:55 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 14:32:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spray Dodger? Message-ID: <1621632775802-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Has anyone built a spray dodger for the pop top in the raised position? It could be a plus for inclement weather, but less complicated than the full enclosure. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:33:37 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:33:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Oops! Thanks. But how much does a gallon of water weigh? On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Lee, > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or > 500 > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > Internet, and Stan. > > Looks like: > > 17-inch coupling height > > 2-inch ball > > 4-prong electrical connection > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > Lee > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:56:55 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:56:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: References: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: LOL regarding Lee and Tom's ad comments. Here is a list of the lines on the cabin top starting from port and moving to starboard: *Port side* 1) Topping lift 2) Spare halyard - I don't use this for anything but if I got a spinnaker it could be used for that, or if I lost a stay and needed extra support 3) IMF Outhaul *Starboard side* 1) IMF Furling line 2) Short line holding an extra block that I added to run the furling line (it also goes twice around the deck organizer) for mechanical advantage. Turns out that I probably don't need this and may remove the extra block. 3) Headsail furling line Question for Peter: do you pull straight back on the IMF Furling line ran to the cabin top, or do you try a similar approach to what I illustrated in the video? Just curious. Regarding Tom's anchoring question: I did overhaul my anchoring setup over the winter, with a Mantus M2 13 lb on a bow roller and a Fortress FX-7 mounted on the front interior of the lazarette. I copied some of Peter's ideas for that project and added some of my own ideas as well. I tried out the new setup with the bow roller and it works well. I'll send another project recap on that later. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:26 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Lee.... You know all adds are targeted? Use your wife's PC and you'll, > hopefully, get a bunch of handbags and craft shit. LoL. > > I'm curious even after watching peters #30, how Jessie has so many lines on > deck. J, are you running dual anchors too? Or? I thought your boat was IMF. > > Good fun y'all > > I don't have that many....lol > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:56 PM Lee wrote: > > > Impressive! > > > > But when I went to Peter's youtube I got some guy telling me about > > testosterone and I thought this Peter dude is in really good shape. > After > > the advertisement I got to see Peter's video. Also very impressive. His > > boat. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:57:40 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:57:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On a light day or if under power, 5 adults including the skipper is comfortable, if you have the captains chairs add one more. If you?re sailing with the wind up, I think 4 adults is max. Michael McKay s/v Liber Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2021, at 2:26 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi Matt, > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on Lake Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day sail. As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to sample them all. > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. But, you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all kids. More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the floor cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you might need the cockpit drain to work. > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t already have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A good stereo system also helps. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Hornblower > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > Hello everyone, > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing on > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin Cities). > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my kids > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as much > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love to > get some of your opinions. > > Thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:59:50 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:59:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Rick, that sounds like more of a clown car maneuver than a boat! I've had 5 adults in the cockpit + 1 standing in the companionway with the pop top up for low wind sailing. Like everyone else mentioned, weight positioning is quite important once the wind picks up. The check valve I installed in the cockpit drain prevents backflow even with a lot of weight in the cockpit, but it also reduces draining capacity so that is a risk. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:17 PM Rick Lange wrote: > I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the > cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! > > Rick Lange > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson wrote: > > > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on > Lake > > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own > > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day > sail. > > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to > > > sample them all. > > > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. > > But, > > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all > kids. > > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the > > floor > > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you > might > > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the > > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. > > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t > already > > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A > > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Hornblower > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > > on > > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > > Cities). > > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > > kids > > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > > much > > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > > to > > > get some of your opinions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt Wilson > > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 18:37:04 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:37:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: References: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jessie, great recap. My imf outhaul/furler are shorter and all tied in the boom. Main sail is all operated from the boom. I keep the boom topp fastened to a cleat on the mast, port side. I have an open pulley on the mast head, may try to use it for flags. Else I run the jib sheets to the winches and one line for the furler. For now... Manually dropping the anchor from the pulpit mount, with the Rhode in the vberth basket. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:57 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > LOL regarding Lee and Tom's ad comments. > > Here is a list of the lines on the cabin top starting from port and moving > to starboard: > > *Port side* > 1) Topping lift > 2) Spare halyard - I don't use this for anything but if I got a spinnaker > it could be used for that, or if I lost a stay and needed extra support > 3) IMF Outhaul > > *Starboard side* > 1) IMF Furling line > 2) Short line holding an extra block that I added to run the furling line > (it also goes twice around the deck organizer) for mechanical advantage. > Turns out that I probably don't need this and may remove the extra block. > 3) Headsail furling line > > Question for Peter: do you pull straight back on the IMF Furling line ran > to the cabin top, or do you try a similar approach to what I illustrated in > the video? Just curious. > > Regarding Tom's anchoring question: I did overhaul my anchoring setup over > the winter, with a Mantus M2 13 lb on a bow roller and a Fortress FX-7 > mounted on the front interior of the lazarette. I copied some of Peter's > ideas for that project and added some of my own ideas as well. I tried out > the new setup with the bow roller and it works well. I'll send another > project recap on that later. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:26 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Lee.... You know all adds are targeted? Use your wife's PC and you'll, > > hopefully, get a bunch of handbags and craft shit. LoL. > > > > I'm curious even after watching peters #30, how Jessie has so many lines > on > > deck. J, are you running dual anchors too? Or? I thought your boat was > IMF. > > > > Good fun y'all > > > > I don't have that many....lol > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:56 PM Lee wrote: > > > > > Impressive! > > > > > > But when I went to Peter's youtube I got some guy telling me about > > > testosterone and I thought this Peter dude is in really good shape. > > After > > > the advertisement I got to see Peter's video. Also very impressive. > His > > > boat. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri May 21 18:39:02 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:39:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wait, you have a valve?! Deets?! I flushed a bunch of pine needles out of mine today. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:00 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Rick, that sounds like more of a clown car maneuver than a boat! > > I've had 5 adults in the cockpit + 1 standing in the companionway with the > pop top up for low wind sailing. Like everyone else mentioned, weight > positioning is quite important once the wind picks up. > > The check valve I installed in the cockpit drain prevents backflow even > with a lot of weight in the cockpit, but it also reduces draining capacity > so that is a risk. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:17 PM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the > > cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! > > > > Rick Lange > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson > wrote: > > > > > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on > > Lake > > > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s > own > > > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day > > sail. > > > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard > to > > > > sample them all. > > > > > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. > > > But, > > > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all > > kids. > > > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the > > > floor > > > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > > > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you > > might > > > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from > the > > > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and > starboard. > > > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t > > already > > > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim > sessions. A > > > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > From: Hornblower > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be > sailing > > > on > > > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > > > Cities). > > > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > > > kids > > > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are > as > > > much > > > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would > love > > > to > > > > get some of your opinions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt Wilson > > > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri May 21 18:55:50 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I documented the check valve installation on this thread: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/installation-of-inline-check-valve-for-cockpit-drain-td56504.html My boat seemed to be more stern heavy than typical so I often got a bit of water in the cockpit. It does a good job keeping the water from coming back up, but I do have to keep an eye on it and clear out debris if needed to keep it from clogging. If I was to do this over again, I might see if I could put a larger check valve in for higher throughput. If I was to get really bold, it would be helpful to have drains on the aft corners as well for more drain flow but I don't know if I have the courage to drill any more holes in the hull under the water line :) Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 5:39 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Wait, you have a valve?! Deets?! > I flushed a bunch of pine needles out of mine today. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:00 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Rick, that sounds like more of a clown car maneuver than a boat! > > > > I've had 5 adults in the cockpit + 1 standing in the companionway with > the > > pop top up for low wind sailing. Like everyone else mentioned, weight > > positioning is quite important once the wind picks up. > > > > The check valve I installed in the cockpit drain prevents backflow even > > with a lot of weight in the cockpit, but it also reduces draining > capacity > > so that is a risk. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:17 PM Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the > > > cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on > > > Lake > > > > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s > > own > > > > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day > > > sail. > > > > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard > > to > > > > > sample them all. > > > > > > > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 > guests. > > > > But, > > > > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all > > > kids. > > > > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up > the > > > > floor > > > > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into > the > > > > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you > > > might > > > > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > > > > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from > > the > > > > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and > > starboard. > > > > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t > > > already > > > > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim > > sessions. A > > > > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > From: Hornblower > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be > > sailing > > > > on > > > > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > > > > Cities). > > > > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as > my > > > > kids > > > > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are > > as > > > > much > > > > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would > > love > > > > to > > > > > get some of your opinions. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Matt Wilson > > > > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri May 21 21:09:09 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 21:09:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: References: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87BF4D04-CD90-480E-9917-29D338AB3D31@sunnybeeches.com> Jesse, I furl the main the same way you show in the video, by pulling down and back under the boom, then cleating off using the cam-cleat on the cabin top. I guess the line takes too many turns for pulling from the cabin top to work effectively. I still find it easier than having to cleat off on a dancing boom. One aspect of this approach for running outhaul and furling lines that really didn?t hit home until after I?d done it was the impact it has on being able to raise or lower the boom. When the outhaul and furling lines are cleated to the boom, it can be raised or lowered without affecting how the main is furled. Everything moves as a unit. With the outhaul and furling line cleated at the cabin top, if you lower the boom, you immediately introduce slack into both lines. Once I realized this, I reattached cleats to the boom, so that when I want to raise or lower the boom (which I don?t do often), I can shift the cleating points from the cabin top to the boom temporarily. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 21, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > > > Question for Peter: do you pull straight back on the IMF Furling line ran > to the cabin top, or do you try a similar approach to what I illustrated in > the video? Just curious. > > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri May 21 23:47:17 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 23:47:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <046a01d74ebd$2a9bfb90$7fd3f2b0$@ca> I can carry 12. Four in the cockpit and 8 waterskiing. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:17 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! Rick Lange On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson wrote: > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on Lake > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s own > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day sail. > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard to > > sample them all. > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. > But, > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all kids. > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the > floor > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you might > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from the > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and starboard. > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t already > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim sessions. A > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Hornblower > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be sailing > on > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > Cities). > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > kids > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are as > much > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would love > to > > get some of your opinions. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat May 22 06:23:14 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:23:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> <003501d74e7b$d1eaaa00$75bffe00$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Mike, The 3 attached links will take you to the photo archive for images of the rear trailer jacks on my boat trailer. As you can see, the rear trailer jacks pivot up for trailering, swing down to stabilize the back of the trailer for parking & using the boarding ladder, and are removable for launching/retrieving. They attach to a mount welded onto the trailer frame and lock in position with a quick release pin. For winter storage, they will take the weight off the trailer tires to prevent flat spots. As the 2nd picture shows, they will raise the trailer wheels high enough to change a tire. You can also use them, along with the tongue jack, to level out the boat if you ever want to use your R-22 as a travel trailer. Now, you can wake up in the morning and literally look down on your fellow campers! Plus, you are up high enough that your pop top camper is practically critter proof. I installed these back in 1995 and I?ve been very satisfied. Stan should make these a factory option. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image001.jpg at 01D74ED0.C1411130] [cid:image002.jpg at 01D74ED0.DC51C730] [cid:image003.jpg at 01D74ED0.FDB4D610] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Roger, you asked what's wrong with too much young weight. It risks your steering wheels (front of tow vehicle) lifting off the ground... Which means loss of control potentially. There is one haneous bump by our off ramp. I swear the front wheels lifted off. I was going too fast for the bump.... In a 35mph zone. And had over 400 on the tounge. It was when I was taking her to storage in the fall. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I was always trained to jack up the trailer during storage. I use two > additional trailer jacks, one on each side, rated for the weight, located > just behind the wheels. This also prevents tipping when I climb up the > boarding ladder after placing the battery in the stern. > > Tires should not be kept in contact with pavement as the oils from asphalt > will damage the rubber. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? > > Tom > > > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The > most important is: > > > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON > THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated > on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to > the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum > inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > > > Load Carrying Capacity > > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the > tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and > its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to > meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both > tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to > excessive loading. > > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue > height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight > distribution. > > > > Service Life > > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed > for use until the tread is completely worn out. > > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires > strength is gone. > > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the > remaining tread looks good. > > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, > or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a > cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire > and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect > the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Cary, > > > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Cary Tolbert > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect > the sway. Yeah, been there. > > Cary. > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location Roger, you asked what's wrong with too much young weight. It risks your steering wheels (front of tow vehicle) lifting off the ground... Which means loss of control potentially. There is one haneous bump by our off ramp. I swear the front wheels lifted off. I was going too fast for the bump.... In a 35mph zone. And had over 400 on the tounge. It was when I was taking her to storage in the fall. On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I was always trained to jack up the trailer during storage. I use two > additional trailer jacks, one on each side, rated for the weight, located > just behind the wheels. This also prevents tipping when I climb up the > boarding ladder after placing the battery in the stern. > > Tires should not be kept in contact with pavement as the oils from asphalt > will damage the rubber. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? > > Tom > > > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The > most important is: > > > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED ON > THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation designated > on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to > the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum > inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > > > Load Carrying Capacity > > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for the > tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer and > its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to > meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both > tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected to > excessive loading. > > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue > height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight > distribution. > > > > Service Life > > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed > for use until the tread is completely worn out. > > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires > strength is gone. > > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the > remaining tread looks good. > > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, > or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in a > cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the tire > and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect > the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > Cary, > > > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Cary Tolbert > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect > the sway. Yeah, been there. > > Cary. > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat May 22 08:44:35 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 07:44:35 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Update on IMF outhaul/furling running rigging changes made over the winter In-Reply-To: <87BF4D04-CD90-480E-9917-29D338AB3D31@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1621630611294-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <87BF4D04-CD90-480E-9917-29D338AB3D31@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, thanks for the notes. Like you said, I prefer the technique of having the lines run to the cabin top compared to the dancing boom. I left the cleats under the boom attached and I'll keep your tips in mind if I need to lower the boom while under sail. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 8:10 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > I furl the main the same way you show in the video, by pulling down and > back under the boom, then cleating off using the cam-cleat on the cabin > top. I guess the line takes too many turns for pulling from the cabin top > to work effectively. I still find it easier than having to cleat off on a > dancing boom. > > One aspect of this approach for running outhaul and furling lines that > really didn?t hit home until after I?d done it was the impact it has on > being able to raise or lower the boom. > > When the outhaul and furling lines are cleated to the boom, it can be > raised or lowered without affecting how the main is furled. Everything > moves as a unit. With the outhaul and furling line cleated at the cabin > top, if you lower the boom, you immediately introduce slack into both > lines. Once I realized this, I reattached cleats to the boom, so that when > I want to raise or lower the boom (which I don?t do often), I can shift the > cleating points from the cabin top to the boom temporarily. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On May 21, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Question for Peter: do you pull straight back on the IMF Furling line ran > > to the cabin top, or do you try a similar approach to what I illustrated > in > > the video? Just curious. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 22 08:44:52 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 07:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location In-Reply-To: References: <87EF5D44-BF3A-4F86-9A49-CA9D0CFFB460@aol.com> <00ce01d74cb1$79f3eb70$6ddbc250$@ca> <00f901d74d26$78ab0990$6a011cb0$@ca> <010501d74d7c$aa19f3f0$fe4ddbd0$@ca> <001201d74d98$2e4e4c50$8aeae4f0$@ca> <003001d74de4$e8bb9a10$ba32ce30$@ca> <004901d74e55$a04bfc40$e0e3f4c0$@ca> <002d01d74e79$8c4488b0$a4cd9a10$@ebsmed.com> <003501d74e7b$d1eaaa00$75bffe00$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Rodger, It was a 3mile move just down the road, so I used an underpowered vehicle. The 2500HD has bags and springs. On Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:30 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Tom, > > It sounds like you?ve got so much tongue weight that you need to consider > adding helper springs or air shocks to your rear suspension. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:32 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > Roger, you asked what's wrong with too much young weight. It risks your > steering wheels (front of tow vehicle) lifting off the ground... Which > means loss of control potentially. > > There is one haneous bump by our off ramp. I swear the front wheels lifted > off. > I was going too fast for the bump.... In a 35mph zone. And had over 400 on > the tounge. It was when I was taking her to storage in the fall. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:59 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > I was always trained to jack up the trailer during storage. I use two > > additional trailer jacks, one on each side, rated for the weight, located > > just behind the wheels. This also prevents tipping when I climb up the > > boarding ladder after placing the battery in the stern. > > > > Tires should not be kept in contact with pavement as the oils from > asphalt > > will damage the rubber. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Thomas s > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:51 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > What is the purpose of the plywood between the tire and pavement? > > > > Tom > > > > > On May 21, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Michael D. Weisner > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Below are some tire pressure recommendations from Discount Tire. The > > most important is: > > > > > > A TRAILER TIRE SHOULD BE INFLATED TO THE MAXIMUM INFLATION DESIGNATED > ON > > THE SIDEWALL OF THE TIRE TO PROVIDE THE FULL LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY. > > > > > > > > > Maintaining Proper Air Pressure > > > A trailer tire should be inflated to the maximum inflation > designated > > on the sidewall of the tire to provide the full load carrying capacity. > > > The best time to check the air pressure is when the tire is cool to > > the touch, and not right after the tire was in operation. > > > If the tire is warm from operation, add 3 psi over the maximum > > inflation to compensate for the increased pressure from heat buildup. > > > > > > Load Carrying Capacity > > > All tires should be identical in size, brand, model, and load for > the > > tires to properly manage the weight of the trailer. > > > In order to safely distribute and carry the weight of the trailer > and > > its contents, the tires must have the combined load carrying capacity to > > meet or exceed the weight of the trailer. > > > If a tire fails on a tandem axle trailer, you should replace both > > tires on that side. The remaining tire is likely to have been subjected > to > > excessive loading. > > > If the tires are replaced with tires of larger diameter, the tongue > > height of your trailer may need to be adjusted to maintain proper weight > > distribution. > > > > > > Service Life > > > Trailer tires are limited by time and use, instead of being designed > > for use until the tread is completely worn out. > > > After three years in service, approximately one third of the tires > > strength is gone. > > > It is best to replace your trailer tires every 3-4 years even if the > > remaining tread looks good. > > > Prior to each use, inspect the tires for any cuts, snags, punctures, > > or bulges, as well as ensuring each tire is properly inflated. > > > When trailer tires are not in use or are in storage try to store in > a > > cool, dark garage at maximum tire inflation with material between the > tire > > and pavement (like a thin piece of plywood). Tire covers can help protect > > the tires if stored in direct sunlight. > > > > > > Mike > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:21 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > Cary, > > > > > > Agreed! This is yet another reason to have a tandem axle trailer. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Cary Tolbert > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:00 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Axle location > > > > > > For what it is worth, LOW tire pressure on the trailer will also affect > > the sway. Yeah, been there. > > > Cary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From mark at whipplefamily.com Sat May 22 09:53:06 2021 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: <00d401d74cc1$deab3400$9c019c00$@ebsmed.com> <001901d74cce$7d4e0cc0$77ea2640$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I've been out of touch for a few days, but I wanted to thank everyone for the great cockpit storage descriptions and suggestions. Now I get to sort through this thread and figure out what's best for me! Thanks again, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *Sold!* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:12 PM Jeffrey Camiel wrote: > Very nice. > > > On May 19, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > Jesse, > > > > Thanks! I didn't look for the attachment. It looks great! > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > > > > Mike, I attached the document as well. Did it not come through? > > > > Also, I just changed the link to make it available. I thought I had > done that but had not when I sent the email. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael D. Weisner > > > wrote: > > > >> Please post the pdf directly as there is no access to your protected > >> content. > >> > >> Mike > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> Nissequogue River, NY > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:13 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage > >> > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I > >> purchased containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from > >> others on the list. Like others have mentioned, they make a > >> weatherproof container that works great to store the pop top > >> enclosure. I also found some other containers there such as > >> two-tiered versions that work well. I also emulated others on the > >> list by installing bars to keep the containers in place while heeling. > >> As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my lazarette > >> organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with the new > setup. > >> > >> I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also > >> get to the document at the link below: > >> > >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view > >> ?usp=sharing > >> > >> Hope that helps... > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > >> wrote: > >> > >>> The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > >>> reminded me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back > >>> where someone mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage > >>> bin but of course I can't find it now. The closest I've come is a > >>> mention of "10" high, 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on > >>> the web > >> site. > >>> > >>> What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> Boston, MA > >>> > >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >>> 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > >> Type: application/pdf > >> Size: 181177 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb > >> 084/attachment.pdf > >>> > >> > >> > > > > From snstaum at gmail.com Sat May 22 10:26:18 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:26:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jesse, What holds up your boards covering the footwell? *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I purchased > containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from others on the > list. Like others have mentioned, they make a weatherproof container that > works great to store the pop top enclosure. I also found some other > containers there such as two-tiered versions that work well. I also > emulated others on the list by installing bars to keep the containers in > place while heeling. As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my > lazarette organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with > the new setup. > > I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also get > to the document at the link below: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view?usp=sharing > > Hope that helps... > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > wrote: > > > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > reminded > > me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone > > mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course I > > can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, > > 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. > > > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 181177 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb084/attachment.pdf > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat May 22 13:51:33 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 13:51:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard In-Reply-To: References: <1621612240861-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I was ferrying crew back to overflow dockage at a nearby marina after regatta awards and imbibing. Motoring, not sailing. A wedge shaped rubber door stopper glued to the bottom with the wide end just in front of the cockpit drain hole creates enough suction to keep the cockpit dry while the boat is moving. It avoids the worry a valve can cause when it rains. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 6:00 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Rick, that sounds like more of a clown car maneuver than a boat! > > I've had 5 adults in the cockpit + 1 standing in the companionway with the > pop top up for low wind sailing. Like everyone else mentioned, weight > positioning is quite important once the wind picks up. > > The check valve I installed in the cockpit drain prevents backflow even > with a lot of weight in the cockpit, but it also reduces draining capacity > so that is a risk. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:17 PM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > I have carried as many as 11 people. Two on the bow deck, six in the > > cockpit, three in the cabin. And the boat did not sink! > > > > Rick Lange > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:03 PM Matt Wilson > wrote: > > > > > Thanks everyone! Very helpful perspectives. > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > > > From 2005 to 2012, I lived in Spring Park, MN and sailed my R-22 on > > Lake > > > > Minnetonka. My apartment complex was right on the water, with it?s > own > > > > marina. I trailered my R-22 over to White Bear Lake once for a day > > sail. > > > > As you know, there are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it?s hard > to > > > > sample them all. > > > > > > > > My 2 sons grew up with our R-22. The boat sails best with 4 guests. > > > But, > > > > you can get by with as many as 6 guests, especially if they are all > > kids. > > > > More than 4 big adults in the cockpit will require you to plug up the > > > floor > > > > cockpit drain at the back of the cockpit or water will drain into the > > > > boat. Obviously, you don?t want to do this in conditions where you > > might > > > > need the cockpit drain to work. > > > > > > > > When we would anchor out for a swim, I would string dock lines from > the > > > > bow cleats along the waterline to the stern cleats port and > starboard. > > > > This gives a tired swimmer something to grab onto. If you don?t > > already > > > > have a boarding ladder, you need to get one for these swim > sessions. A > > > > good stereo system also helps. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > From: Hornblower > > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 11:50 AM > > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Suggested max number of people aboard > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I just purchased a 1990 Rhodes here in MN and will primarily be > sailing > > > on > > > > White Bear Lake (a fairly good sized lake on the edge of the Twin > > > Cities). > > > > I am looking for your experiences with number of persons aboard as my > > > kids > > > > are pining to bring as many friends as possible per trip. They are > as > > > much > > > > interested in anchoring and swimming as they are sailing. I would > love > > > to > > > > get some of your opinions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt Wilson > > > > Hornblower II > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat May 22 14:06:45 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 14:06:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Message-ID: Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era traveler. [image: traveller.jpg] The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach from anywhere near the tiller. Regards, Rick Lange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: traveller.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1388851 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat May 22 14:45:29 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Smart. Practical On Sat, May 22, 2021, 2:07 PM Rick Lange wrote: > Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Sat May 22 16:34:47 2021 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 20:34:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick This looks great. Do you remember the part number and source for these. I need to upgrade mine. Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman > On May 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:47:09 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 16:47:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Charles, It was too long ago to remember, but many shops make cam cleats with swivel bases. Regards, Rick Lange On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Charles Nieman wrote: > Rick > This looks great. Do you remember the part number and source for these. I > need to upgrade mine. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > > > > On May 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > ?Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > > traveler. > > > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > > from anywhere near the tiller. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: traveller.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1388851 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 22 17:34:21 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 16:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff. In-Reply-To: References: <004801d74835$471f9e40$d55edac0$@ebsmed.com> <1621627984657-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 22, 2021, 4:33 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Hi all, > It was a wonderful day, 5-12kts. > > No drama, but maybe some nerves, as we took out into lake Michigan for our > first time. > Made it about 2 miles out, my most favorite part is how we didn't have to > tack to avoid shore every 5 min. > > Got some sea legs. Pics attached. > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:37 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Lee! >> Yes, added sta-bil and some of that fancy marinetech gas. Purring >> smoother than ever. >> >> Now to reroute the electrics I hooked up over instead of under... >> >> Tomorrow we are shooting for our maiden sail. Should be 8-15kts with 30% >> chance of rain in afternoon(I hate big zip codes lol)... >> >> Fair winds everyone, stay safe. >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:13 PM Lee wrote: >> >>> Tom, >>> >>> My first and only outboard was a five year old 9.9 Mercury (Tohatsu) and >>> I >>> had similar problems with it. I read all this advice and thought hey I >>> never did any of this stuff. Then I Googled it and all the advice is >>> very >>> sound. >>> >>> However, after immediately taking the outboard to a mechanic he told me >>> to >>> just use Startron or Stabil fuel additive. I used Starton for the nine >>> years I had the outboard and never again had single problem. Maybe I was >>> just lucky. >>> >>> Lee >>> Soon to have a 1999 recycled Rhodes22 yet to be named >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Rick Lange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: traveller.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1388851 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun May 23 08:55:12 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 07:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I have two rectangular shaped HDPE blocks secured to the recessed groove of the cockpit sole using Loctite PL Marine and there are HDPE blocks vertically mounted to those with L brackets. At the front of the cockpit, I screwed in (and also used adhesive again) two layers of HDPE blocks. At the aft side of the boards, I added two layers of HDPE blocks, secured to the sole with adhesive. I also used adhesive to mount an HDPE block between the coaming compartment and the hull, and then ran a shock cord between that and one of the lower blocks. I also ran shock cord from the HDPE block furthest forward to a hook further aft that I also use to mount another shock cord that helps secure the gas tanks. All the mounting points are outlined in bright green in the attached photo. This also includes an inset photo outlined in red for the HDPE block between the coaming and the hull. I think I used HDPE that was 3/4" thick for the mounts. The boards are very secure with this setup. It's nice to have them on the boat and out of the way. Just let me know if you have any additional questions. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:26 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > Jesse, > > What holds up your boards covering the footwell? > > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I changed up my cockpit storage setup during the off season. I purchased > > containers at The Container Store based on suggestions from others on the > > list. Like others have mentioned, they make a weatherproof container > that > > works great to store the pop top enclosure. I also found some other > > containers there such as two-tiered versions that work well. I also > > emulated others on the list by installing bars to keep the containers in > > place while heeling. As part of the storage overhaul, I also changed my > > lazarette organization but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm happy with > > the new setup. > > > > I attached a PDF with more details as well as photos and you can also get > > to the document at the link below: > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Hxc2YRFBp-3C3nfjrmKP60rRFTyznx8/view?usp=sharing > > > > Hope that helps... > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:11 AM Mark Whipple > > wrote: > > > > > The recent thread about retaining objects under the cockpit seats > > reminded > > > me I need to buy some bins. I recall a post a while back where someone > > > mentioned a specific make & model of plastic storage bin but of course > I > > > can't find it now. The closest I've come is a mention of "10" high, > > > 5-gallon Rubbermaid "Roughneck" containers" on the web site. > > > > > > What type of container do you use for cockpit under-seat storage? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > Boston, MA > > > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > 1987 Nimble 30 *SOLD!* > > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: ZephyCockpitUnderSeatStorage.pdf > > Type: application/pdf > > Size: 181177 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210519/1d7cb084/attachment.pdf > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2021, 4:33 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > It was a wonderful day, 5-12kts. > > > > No drama, but maybe some nerves, as we took out into lake Michigan for > our > > first time. > > Made it about 2 miles out, my most favorite part is how we didn't have to > > tack to avoid shore every 5 min. > > > > Got some sea legs. Pics attached. > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:37 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Lee! > >> Yes, added sta-bil and some of that fancy marinetech gas. Purring > >> smoother than ever. > >> > >> Now to reroute the electrics I hooked up over instead of under... > >> > >> Tomorrow we are shooting for our maiden sail. Should be 8-15kts with > 30% > >> chance of rain in afternoon(I hate big zip codes lol)... > >> > >> Fair winds everyone, stay safe. > >> > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:13 PM Lee wrote: > >> > >>> Tom, > >>> > >>> My first and only outboard was a five year old 9.9 Mercury (Tohatsu) > and > >>> I > >>> had similar problems with it. I read all this advice and thought hey I > >>> never did any of this stuff. Then I Googled it and all the advice is > >>> very > >>> sound. > >>> > >>> However, after immediately taking the outboard to a mechanic he told me > >>> to > >>> just use Startron or Stabil fuel additive. I used Starton for the nine > >>> years I had the outboard and never again had single problem. Maybe I > was > >>> just lucky. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> Soon to have a 1999 recycled Rhodes22 yet to be named > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210522_101151.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2580319 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/733503bf/attachment.jpg > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun May 23 09:25:11 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:25:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> References: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> Message-ID: Defender, West Marine and others carry cam cleats on swivel bases. Rick Lange On Sat, May 22, 2021, 10:27 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rick: Can you supply a link for the claam cleat and base? Looks > interesting but I can't quite make out how it works. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Rick Lange > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun May 23 09:38:06 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: References: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> Message-ID: <04b101d74fd8$de6bb590$9b4320b0$@ca> Rick: What I am not clear about is how the swivel cleat attached to the traveler bar. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:25 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Defender, West Marine and others carry cam cleats on swivel bases. Rick Lange On Sat, May 22, 2021, 10:27 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rick: Can you supply a link for the claam cleat and base? Looks > interesting but I can't quite make out how it works. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Rick Lange > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Sun May 23 09:44:07 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 13:44:07 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Oops! Thanks. But how much does a gallon of water weigh? On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Lee, > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or > 500 > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > Internet, and Stan. > > Looks like: > > 17-inch coupling height > > 2-inch ball > > 4-prong electrical connection > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue weight. I > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer will > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and could > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > Lee > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun May 23 09:55:07 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:55:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: <04b101d74fd8$de6bb590$9b4320b0$@ca> Message-ID: Hose clamp, in picture.Mikes/v Wind Lass, '91Nissequogue NY -------- Original message --------From: Graham Stewart Date: 5/23/21 9:38 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Rick: What I am not clear about is how the swivel cleat attached to the traveler bar.Graham StewartAgile, Rodes 22, 1976Kingston Ontario-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick LangeSent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:25 AMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email ListSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] TravelerDefender, West Marine and others carry cam cleats on swivel bases.Rick LangeOn Sat, May 22, 2021, 10:27 PM Graham Stewart wrote:> Rick: Can you supply a link for the claam cleat and base? Looks> interesting but I can't quite make out how it works.>> Graham Stewart> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976> Kingston Ontario>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf> Of Rick Lange> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:07 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler>> Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era> traveler.>> [image: traveller.jpg]>> The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are> automatic.? Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach> from anywhere near the tiller.>> Regards,>> Rick Lange> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: traveller.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 1388851 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg> >>> From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun May 23 09:58:58 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Rob, But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? Lee On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee > Kuhn > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Oops! Thanks. > > But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Lee, > > > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or > > 500 > > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lee > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > > Internet, and Stan. > > > > Looks like: > > > > 17-inch coupling height > > > > 2-inch ball > > > > 4-prong electrical connection > > > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > weight. I > > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > will > > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > could > > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > > > Lee > > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Sun May 23 10:07:31 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 14:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> , Message-ID: Lee, A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds per gallon. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rob, But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? Lee On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee > Kuhn > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Oops! Thanks. > > But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Lee, > > > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or > > 500 > > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lee > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the > > Internet, and Stan. > > > > Looks like: > > > > 17-inch coupling height > > > > 2-inch ball > > > > 4-prong electrical connection > > > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound > > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > weight. I > > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > will > > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > could > > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > > > Lee > > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun May 23 10:18:08 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <2A7D97C8-6FEE-4F40-AA08-59E410F08BA2@sunnybeeches.com> <58001.24.140.30.102.1619763388.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <3A5DBFF6-22B3-448C-BB85-BB69A8A1AE9C@gmail.com> <60185.24.140.30.102.1619846244.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <39F0DB8A-574E-4028-A0C7-23A4677DB7F9@aol.com> <008801d74b34$106c3af0$3144b0d0$@ebsmed.com> <1621629861541-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d74e87$cca66f50$65f34df0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Very good. Everyone knows that butane is lighter fluid. Sorry. On Sun, May 23, 2021, 10:07 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Lee, > A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds > per gallon. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee > Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Rob, > > But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > > Lee > > On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee > > Kuhn > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > Oops! Thanks. > > > > But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > > wrote: > > > > > Lee, > > > > > > Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. > or > > > 500 > > > lbs., not 50 lbs. > > > > > > Mike > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Lee > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > > > I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, > the > > > Internet, and Stan. > > > > > > Looks like: > > > > > > 17-inch coupling height > > > > > > 2-inch ball > > > > > > 4-prong electrical connection > > > > > > safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > > > > > > 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 > pound > > > boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > > weight. I > > > don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > > > recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > > will > > > fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > > could > > > create a variety of handling and braking issues. > > > > > > Lee > > > Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sun May 23 10:24:43 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> Fresh water and salt water are different. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Lee, > A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds per gallon. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Rob, > > But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > > Lee > >> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee >> Kuhn >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >> >> Oops! Thanks. >> >> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >>> Lee, >>> >>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or >>> 500 >>> lbs., not 50 lbs. >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> I'd rather be sailing :~) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Lee >>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >>> >>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the >>> Internet, and Stan. >>> >>> Looks like: >>> >>> 17-inch coupling height >>> >>> 2-inch ball >>> >>> 4-prong electrical connection >>> >>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) >>> >>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound >>> boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue >> weight. I >>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's >>> recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer >> will >>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and >> could >>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. >>> >>> Lee >>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >>> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 23 15:10:55 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 19:10:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> References: , <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water. All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water. But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors at room temperature: Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F) Methane: -259 Ethane: -128 Propane: -44 Isobutane: 11 n-Butane: 31 All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane. The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in varying amounts depending on the natural gas field. They are more valuable than methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent down the natural gas pipeline. Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature. For this reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel. n-Butane is much more valuable as a petrochemical feedstock. The 1 lb propane cylinders sold in hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt). But, because propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a steel pressure vessel. This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using the less dense fuel. The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so the stove will operate in cold temperatures. However, because isobutane and n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate. For this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt n-butane as a contaminant. Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain more n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning. This camp stove fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight savings. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ric Stott Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Fresh water and salt water are different. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Lee, > A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds per gallon. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Rob, > > But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > > Lee > >> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee >> Kuhn >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >> >> Oops! Thanks. >> >> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >>> Lee, >>> >>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. or >>> 500 >>> lbs., not 50 lbs. >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> I'd rather be sailing :~) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Lee >>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >>> >>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, the >>> Internet, and Stan. >>> >>> Looks like: >>> >>> 17-inch coupling height >>> >>> 2-inch ball >>> >>> 4-prong electrical connection >>> >>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) >>> >>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 pound >>> boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue >> weight. I >>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's >>> recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer >> will >>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and >> could >>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. >>> >>> Lee >>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >>> >> From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun May 23 16:22:08 2021 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 16:22:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Obviously wasn't my best joke. Butane is lighter fluid, as in cigarette lighter fluid. :) On Sun, May 23, 2021, 3:10 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water. > > All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water. > But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors at > room temperature: > Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F) > Methane: -259 > Ethane: -128 > Propane: -44 > Isobutane: 11 > n-Butane: 31 > > All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane. > The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in varying > amounts depending on the natural gas field. They are more valuable than > methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent down > the natural gas pipeline. > > Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature. For this > reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel. n-Butane is much more > valuable as a petrochemical feedstock. The 1 lb propane cylinders sold in > hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt). But, because > propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a steel > pressure vessel. This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using > the less dense fuel. The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for > camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so the > stove will operate in cold temperatures. However, because isobutane and > n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate. For > this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt > n-butane as a contaminant. Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain more > n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning. This camp stove > fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight > savings. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Fresh water and salt water are different. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Lee, > > A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds > per gallon. - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee Kuhn > > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > Rob, > > > > But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > > > > Lee > > > >> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> > >> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee > >> Kuhn > >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >> > >> Oops! Thanks. > >> > >> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > >> > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Lee, > >>> > >>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. > or > >>> 500 > >>> lbs., not 50 lbs. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >>> Nissequogue River, NY > >>> I'd rather be sailing :~) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Lee > >>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >>> > >>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, > the > >>> Internet, and Stan. > >>> > >>> Looks like: > >>> > >>> 17-inch coupling height > >>> > >>> 2-inch ball > >>> > >>> 4-prong electrical connection > >>> > >>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > >>> > >>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 > pound > >>> boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > >> weight. I > >>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > >>> recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > >> will > >>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > >> could > >>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>> > >>> > >> > > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun May 23 16:36:48 2021 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 16:36:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <60985895-C74C-4C5C-9146-FA0A6F16C1A8@gmail.com> Actually, the little stove I take on my boat is butane-powered, with cannisters. Works quite well. Frank > On May 23, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > Obviously wasn't my best joke. Butane is lighter fluid, as in cigarette > lighter fluid. :) > > > On Sun, May 23, 2021, 3:10 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water. >> >> All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water. >> But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors at >> room temperature: >> Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F) >> Methane: -259 >> Ethane: -128 >> Propane: -44 >> Isobutane: 11 >> n-Butane: 31 >> >> All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane. >> The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in varying >> amounts depending on the natural gas field. They are more valuable than >> methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent down >> the natural gas pipeline. >> >> Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature. For this >> reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel. n-Butane is much more >> valuable as a petrochemical feedstock. The 1 lb propane cylinders sold in >> hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt). But, because >> propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a steel >> pressure vessel. This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using >> the less dense fuel. The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for >> camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so the >> stove will operate in cold temperatures. However, because isobutane and >> n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate. For >> this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt >> n-butane as a contaminant. Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain more >> n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning. This camp stove >> fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight >> savings. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Ric Stott >> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >> >> Fresh water and salt water are different. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: >>> >>> ?Lee, >>> A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 pounds >> per gallon. - rob >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Lee Kuhn >>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >>> >>> Rob, >>> >>> But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? >>> >>> Lee >>> >>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >>>> >>>> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Lee >>>> Kuhn >>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >>>> >>>> Oops! Thanks. >>>> >>>> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lee, >>>>> >>>>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. >> or >>>>> 500 >>>>> lbs., not 50 lbs. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>>> I'd rather be sailing :~) >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>>> Lee >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM >>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer >>>>> >>>>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, >> the >>>>> Internet, and Stan. >>>>> >>>>> Looks like: >>>>> >>>>> 17-inch coupling height >>>>> >>>>> 2-inch ball >>>>> >>>>> 4-prong electrical connection >>>>> >>>>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) >>>>> >>>>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 >> pound >>>>> boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue >>>> weight. I >>>>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's >>>>> recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer >>>> will >>>>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and >>>> could >>>>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. >>>>> >>>>> Lee >>>>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 >>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> From mike at traildesign.com Sun May 23 17:34:48 2021 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 17:34:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: <60985895-C74C-4C5C-9146-FA0A6F16C1A8@gmail.com> References: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> <60985895-C74C-4C5C-9146-FA0A6F16C1A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't be the only one who thought Lee's joke was funny! Michael Riter SV Emma B On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 4:36 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Actually, the little stove I take on my boat is butane-powered, with > cannisters. Works quite well. > > Frank > > > On May 23, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > Obviously wasn't my best joke. Butane is lighter fluid, as in cigarette > > lighter fluid. :) > > > > > > On Sun, May 23, 2021, 3:10 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water. > >> > >> All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water. > >> But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors > at > >> room temperature: > >> Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F) > >> Methane: -259 > >> Ethane: -128 > >> Propane: -44 > >> Isobutane: 11 > >> n-Butane: 31 > >> > >> All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane. > >> The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in > varying > >> amounts depending on the natural gas field. They are more valuable than > >> methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent > down > >> the natural gas pipeline. > >> > >> Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature. For this > >> reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel. n-Butane is much > more > >> valuable as a petrochemical feedstock. The 1 lb propane cylinders sold > in > >> hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt). But, because > >> propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a > steel > >> pressure vessel. This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using > >> the less dense fuel. The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for > >> camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so > the > >> stove will operate in cold temperatures. However, because isobutane and > >> n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate. > For > >> this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt > >> n-butane as a contaminant. Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain > more > >> n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning. This camp > stove > >> fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight > >> savings. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Ric Stott > >> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >> > >> Fresh water and salt water are different. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Lee, > >>> A gallon of water will weigh more. Looks like butane is around 5 > pounds > >> per gallon. - rob > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Lee Kuhn > >>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >>> > >>> Rob, > >>> > >>> But what weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> > >>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Lee > >>>> Kuhn > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >>>> > >>>> Oops! Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Lee, > >>>>> > >>>>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. > >> or > >>>>> 500 > >>>>> lbs., not 50 lbs. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > >>>>> I'd rather be sailing :~) > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > Of > >>>> Lee > >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > >>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >>>>> > >>>>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, > >> the > >>>>> Internet, and Stan. > >>>>> > >>>>> Looks like: > >>>>> > >>>>> 17-inch coupling height > >>>>> > >>>>> 2-inch ball > >>>>> > >>>>> 4-prong electrical connection > >>>>> > >>>>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > >>>>> > >>>>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 > >> pound > >>>>> boat/trailer. Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > >>>> weight. I > >>>>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with > Stan's > >>>>> recommendation. Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > >>>> will > >>>>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > >>>> could > >>>>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. > >>>>> > >>>>> Lee > >>>>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > >>>>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > From markwynn at verizon.net Sun May 23 22:26:34 2021 From: markwynn at verizon.net (Mark Wynn) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 02:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: <9292EA51-FD94-4921-B6B0-22D207B8D770@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <555458939.2106862.1621823194114@mail.yahoo.com> I thought that it was very clever. Thx for the ?? Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Sunday, May 23, 2021, 4:22 PM, Lee Kuhn wrote: Obviously wasn't my best joke.? Butane is lighter fluid, as in cigarette lighter fluid. :) On Sun, May 23, 2021, 3:10 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water. > > All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water. > But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors at > room temperature: > Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F) > Methane: -259 > Ethane: -128 > Propane: -44 > Isobutane: 11 > n-Butane: 31 > > All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane. > The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in varying > amounts depending on the natural gas field.? They are more valuable than > methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent down > the natural gas pipeline. > > Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature.? For this > reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel.? n-Butane is much more > valuable as a petrochemical feedstock.? The 1 lb propane cylinders sold in > hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt).? But, because > propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a steel > pressure vessel.? This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using > the less dense fuel.? The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for > camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so the > stove will operate in cold temperatures.? However, because isobutane and > n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate.? For > this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt > n-butane as a contaminant.? Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain more > n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning.? This camp stove > fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight > savings. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > Fresh water and salt water are different. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Lee, > > A gallon of water will weigh more.? Looks like butane is around 5 pounds > per gallon. - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee Kuhn > > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > > > > Rob, > > > > But what weighs more?? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? > > > > Lee > > > >> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> > >> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee > >> Kuhn > >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >> > >> Oops!? Thanks. > >> > >> But how much does a gallon of water weigh? > >> > >> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Lee, > >>> > >>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs. > or > >>> 500 > >>> lbs., not 50 lbs. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >>> Nissequogue River, NY > >>> I'd rather be sailing :~) > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Lee > >>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer > >>> > >>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives, > the > >>> Internet, and Stan. > >>> > >>> Looks like: > >>> > >>> 17-inch coupling height > >>> > >>> 2-inch ball > >>> > >>> 4-prong electrical connection > >>> > >>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?) > >>> > >>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000 > pound > >>> boat/trailer.? Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue > >> weight.? I > >>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with Stan's > >>> recommendation.? Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer > >> will > >>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and > >> could > >>> create a variety of handling and braking issues. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22 > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>> > >>> > >> > > From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com Mon May 24 10:24:24 2021 From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (NewIn76) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 07:24:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Varying weights over time Message-ID: <1621866264435-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I think we're up to almost 100 replies on the trailer question, so I wanted to ask a similar question. I've seen a lot of posts stating the boats got heavier over time. Even in the archives, I've seen varying numbers. I have a '76, traditional mast, CB, no motor (currently). I'm going to trailer it tomorrow from OH to SC and am just curious on the tongue weight issue. Without rolling my boat across the Cat scales, any idea how much the older boats weigh? I My trailer weighs 680lbs empty so I have some room there on my current axle. I have a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel so that part of the equation is not an issue. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Sumter -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon May 24 10:39:57 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:39:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Varying weights over time In-Reply-To: <1621866264435-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1621866264435-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: IIRC the original weight was supposed to be around 2200. My trailer is 980, I have weighed it, pic attached. I go with 350-450 tongue weight. 2012 grand Cherokee V6 with airbags, non towp pkg, really really struggles. 2017 Duramax hasnt noticed the boat was there. HTH, On Mon, May 24, 2021, 9:24 AM NewIn76 wrote: > I think we're up to almost 100 replies on the trailer question, so I wanted > to ask a similar question. I've seen a lot of posts stating the boats got > heavier over time. Even in the archives, I've seen varying numbers. > > I have a '76, traditional mast, CB, no motor (currently). I'm going to > trailer it tomorrow from OH to SC and am just curious on the tongue weight > issue. Without rolling my boat across the Cat scales, any idea how much > the > older boats weigh? I > > My trailer weighs 680lbs empty so I have some room there on my current > axle. > I have a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel so that part of the equation is not an issue. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Sumter > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon May 24 10:40:56 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Varying weights over time In-Reply-To: References: <1621866264435-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 24, 2021, 9:39 AM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > IIRC the original weight was supposed to be around 2200. > > My trailer is 980, I have weighed it, pic attached. > > I go with 350-450 tongue weight. > 2012 grand Cherokee V6 with airbags, non towp pkg, really really struggles. > 2017 Duramax hasnt noticed the boat was there. > > HTH, > > On Mon, May 24, 2021, 9:24 AM NewIn76 > wrote: > >> I think we're up to almost 100 replies on the trailer question, so I >> wanted >> to ask a similar question. I've seen a lot of posts stating the boats got >> heavier over time. Even in the archives, I've seen varying numbers. >> >> I have a '76, traditional mast, CB, no motor (currently). I'm going to >> trailer it tomorrow from OH to SC and am just curious on the tongue weight >> issue. Without rolling my boat across the Cat scales, any idea how much >> the >> older boats weigh? I >> >> My trailer weighs 680lbs empty so I have some room there on my current >> axle. >> I have a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel so that part of the equation is not an >> issue. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Brian >> 1976 Rhodes 22 >> Sumter >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue May 25 12:50:52 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 11:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Intracoastal is infrastructure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gen 1 infrastructure. Before rails and roads.... On Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:30 AM PBR wrote: > I don't know why it took so long for this to occur to me but I did e-mail > my congressman and ask him to consider the subject line and provide some > funding for keeping waterways navigable in the "infrastructure" bill > (President Bidens "American Jobs Plan"). Since they are determined to > spend trillions we might as well ask. I know that boatUS is always > lobbying for intracoastal maintenance, but other than that there is > probably not much voice. > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue May 25 14:23:01 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:23:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hydropower dams are infrastructure? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: They don?t seem to be considering the 4 hydropower dams that failed here about a year ago as part of their infrastructure package either. We are currently on a path wherein the riparian property owners are going to see their property taxes go up by about 4X! Heck, when you?re spending trillions of dollars on infrastructure, ~$500 million for 4 hydropower dams is almost a rounding error. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Intracoastal is infrastructure Gen 1 infrastructure. Before rails and roads.... On Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:30 AM PBR wrote: > I don't know why it took so long for this to occur to me but I did e-mail > my congressman and ask him to consider the subject line and provide some > funding for keeping waterways navigable in the "infrastructure" bill > (President Bidens "American Jobs Plan"). Since they are determined to > spend trillions we might as well ask. I know that boatUS is always > lobbying for intracoastal maintenance, but other than that there is > probably not much voice. > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 26 14:26:05 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:26:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner Message-ID: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> To Mike Riter, Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing. Did the marketing part come to fruition? ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mike at traildesign.com Wed May 26 20:12:42 2021 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 20:12:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner In-Reply-To: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any products. I needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend of mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year now and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is having to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged. But it turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to re-tension after I set up the boat. I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one, but this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie with an overactive imagination. Michael Riter SV Emma B. On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith wrote: > To Mike Riter, > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing. Did > the > marketing part come to fruition? > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu May 27 08:18:43 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 08:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner In-Reply-To: References: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Since when is commerce of Rhodes 22s or Rhodes 22 related parts or products prohibited? In fact, I think the charter encourages "Shameless commerce". I didn't see the pics of your furler, or tensioner. Mike, can you post the pics again? Thanks. Todd T. On Wed, May 26, 2021, 8:13 PM Mike Riter wrote: > Hi Jeff. > I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any products. I > needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend of > mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed > everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year now > and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is having > to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged. But it > turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to re-tension > after I set up the boat. > > I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one, but > this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie with > an overactive imagination. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B. > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith > wrote: > > > To Mike Riter, > > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing. Did > > the > > marketing part come to fruition? > > > > > > > > ----- > > Jeff Smith > > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu May 27 08:27:05 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 07:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner In-Reply-To: References: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Mike, the tensioner is a great idea. I suspect many of us might be interested if your friend would be up for doing a bulk run of those. Would just need to know what the cost would be (I'm guessing that would depend on the volume). What size line do you use for the furler? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:13 PM Mike Riter wrote: > Hi Jeff. > I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any products. I > needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend of > mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed > everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year now > and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is having > to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged. But it > turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to re-tension > after I set up the boat. > > I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one, but > this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie with > an overactive imagination. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B. > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith > wrote: > > > To Mike Riter, > > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing. Did > > the > > marketing part come to fruition? > > > > > > > > ----- > > Jeff Smith > > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Thu May 27 10:37:45 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Running Rigging Message-ID: Hi all. It's time to replace my roller furling line and topping lift. Does anybody know what type of lines these are? These two are different types. The topping lift is the same stuff as the rudder up and downhaul and same as the centerboard uphaul. It's stiffer and presumably more abrasion-resistant. The furling line might best be double braid polypropylene or nylon (?) (although that's not what's on there now ? don't know what it is) and may require some of its length to be de-cored so it all fits on the roller. Any suggestions? Slim Fandango From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 27 10:44:01 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 14:44:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner In-Reply-To: References: <1622053565402-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , Message-ID: Hi All, I have used a homemade roller furler control line tensioner solution for 25+ years. The 1st image is from www.defendercom : [cid:image002.png at 01D752E5.314346C0] This off-the-shelf piece of hardware is a C.S. Johnson Roller Furling Bail (Johnson P/N: 40-505). It?s designed to be mounted on the base of the lifeline stanchions, just above the toe rail. You mount one on each stanchion from the bow back to the cockpit. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has 4 such stanchions. At the stanchion in the front of the cockpit, you replace the simple fairlead with this piece of off-the shelf hardware, (Harken P/N: 239) also available from www.defender.com [cid:image005.png at 01D752E5.314346C0] The following picture from the Rhodes-22 archives shows how my roller furling control line is routed thru a block on a stand-up spring and then along the toe rail back to the cockpit: [cid:image007.jpg at 01D752E3.64CB0700] Note how the block only changes the direction of the roller furler control line by a few degrees. Similarly, as the control line passes thru the fairleads on each lifeline stanchion, the curvature of the foredeck causes the control line to change direction slightly at each stanchion. This slight change of direction at each fairlead is the key. Slightly changing direction 5 times introduces just enough friction into the system to absorb the kinetic energy and keep slight tension on the control line in order to prevent a snarl on the furling drum. When unfurling the genoa, you can literally just let go of the control line and this passive system will control the line tension all by itself! I haven?t had a snarled control line in over 25 years. It just works! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:27 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner Mike, the tensioner is a great idea. I suspect many of us might be interested if your friend would be up for doing a bulk run of those. Would just need to know what the cost would be (I'm guessing that would depend on the volume). What size line do you use for the furler? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:13 PM Mike Riter wrote: > Hi Jeff. > I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any products. I > needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend of > mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed > everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year now > and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is having > to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged. But it > turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to re-tension > after I set up the boat. > > I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one, but > this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie with > an overactive imagination. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B. > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith > wrote: > > > To Mike Riter, > > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing. 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It's stiffer and presumably more abrasion-resistant. The furling line might best be double braid polypropylene or nylon (?) (although that's not what's on there now ? don't know what it is) and may require some of its length to be de-cored so it all fits on the roller. Any suggestions? Slim Fandango From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu May 27 14:27:53 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 11:27:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Burgee Message-ID: <1622140073642-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Put my R22 burgee up last week. Already had a compliment from a passer by in the marina. As you can see its on a "pigstick' which helps it to clear vane and antenna. It also displays more freely than if just clipped to a halyard. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sea20 at verizon.net Thu May 27 15:13:45 2021 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Burgee In-Reply-To: <1622140073642-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1622140073642-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Looks great Joe Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > ?Put my R22 burgee up last week. Already had a compliment from a passer by in > the marina. As you can see its on a "pigstick' which helps it to clear vane > and antenna. 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I wasn't able to do any inspection under the conditions. But it spooled back into the mast with seemingly no problem. I'll go out tomorrow or Saturday (when the gale force advisory with 8-15ft waves off shore calms down) and assess any other issues. Thats lakeMI for ya.... On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:00 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Bummer,I had a similar experience. Different hardware though. Did the > mainsail survive? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 27, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free" > > > > "Ok I'll be there in 30" > > > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads..... We have had > 50mph > > gusts in the harbor today. > > > > Anyone have a part number? 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Weisner) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 17:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: <473E5753-CDEF-4818-9326-4DD9FC5F508F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001b01d7533f$6e960710$4bc21530$@ebsmed.com> It is for similar reasons that I bungee the furled Genoa. It spilled out one time and was able to lift my 250 lb. mooring! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:23 PM To: Scott Andrews ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! As far as I can tell, Scott, thanks! I wasn't able to do any inspection under the conditions. But it spooled back into the mast with seemingly no problem. I'll go out tomorrow or Saturday (when the gale force advisory with 8-15ft waves off shore calms down) and assess any other issues. Thats lakeMI for ya.... On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:00 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Bummer,I had a similar experience. Different hardware though. Did the > mainsail survive? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 27, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free" > > > > "Ok I'll be there in 30" > > > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads..... We have had > 50mph > > gusts in the harbor today. > > > > Anyone have a part number? 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, I don't get what the outhaul has to do with it. If your furling line is cleated with a lock loop, that will keep the sail furled securely in the mast. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:04 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free" > > "Ok I'll be there in 30" > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads..... We have had 50mph > gusts in the harbor today. > > Anyone have a part number? 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I'll check that out. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:55 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I think I use ?? OD StaSet X dacron double braid for both applications. > Now is a good time to color code these lines if you don?t minding paying a > few cents more per foot. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Steven Alm > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:38 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Running Rigging > > Hi all. It's time to replace my roller furling line and topping lift. Does > anybody know what type of lines these are? These two are different types. > The topping lift is the same stuff as the rudder up and downhaul and same > as the centerboard uphaul. It's stiffer and presumably more > abrasion-resistant. The furling line might best be double braid > polypropylene or nylon (?) (although that's not what's on there now ? don't > know what it is) and may require some of its length to be de-cored so it > all fits on the roller. Any suggestions? > > Slim > Fandango > > From cknell at vt.edu Thu May 27 17:39:43 2021 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 14:39:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <001b01d7533f$6e960710$4bc21530$@ebsmed.com> References: <473E5753-CDEF-4818-9326-4DD9FC5F508F@verizon.net> <001b01d7533f$6e960710$4bc21530$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1622151583008-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I, too, always put a tie around the genoa (every time we return). I also un-shackle the main from the outhaul car, wrap the exposed clew around the mast, and put a couple of ties around it if I'm going to be away for more than a day or if high wind conditions are expected. It only takes a minute ... and as a side benefit reduces windage. Chris ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 27 18:02:36 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 17:02:36 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <1622151583008-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <473E5753-CDEF-4818-9326-4DD9FC5F508F@verizon.net> <001b01d7533f$6e960710$4bc21530$@ebsmed.com> <1622151583008-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies, hopefully this helps the knowledge base.... The main sail, not the headsail/jib/Genoa/jenny, broke from the boom car. The sail in the IMF, running aft on the boom is what broke loose. The outhaul car shackle to the main sail clew (IMF rig) broke. My fix should be a new piece of SS to couple the sail clew to the outhaul car. Everything else seemed ok. On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:39 PM Chris on LBI wrote: > I, too, always put a tie around the genoa (every time we return). I also > un-shackle the main from the outhaul car, wrap the exposed clew around the > mast, and put a couple of ties around it if I'm going to be away for more > than a day or if high wind conditions are expected. It only takes a minute > ... and as a side benefit reduces windage. > Chris > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From cknell at vt.edu Thu May 27 18:03:05 2021 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:03:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I replaced my extension and learned a couple of things. 1) In another thread there has been a discussion about tongue weight. I had assumed that since I was successful at positioning the boat fully forward on the bunks for the first time (on the previous three retrievals, the bow was about 3" back from the bow-stop), that my tongue weight must have been too great, causing the extension to buckle. However, with the bow in contact with the bow-stop, my tongue weight is only 215 lbs. (so less than the ballpark 350 lbs. target weight). Excessive tongue weight did not cause the failure. 2) When I stood the old tongue extension on end and banged the rust out of the inside of the tube, I collected about 10 pounds of rust. Of course this was all rust that used to be part of the tube structure. Most of it seemed to come from the aft side of the tube; that is, the part that bears the tongue weight when extended. I conclude that I need to be sure to rinse the inside of the extension thoroughly each time I use it (twice a year) since we launch and retrieve in salt water. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 27 18:06:03 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 17:06:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Great input and food for thought. Keep it clean folks! On Thu, May 27, 2021, 5:03 PM Chris on LBI wrote: > I replaced my extension and learned a couple of things. > 1) In another thread there has been a discussion about tongue weight. I had > assumed that since I was successful at positioning the boat fully forward > on > the bunks for the first time (on the previous three retrievals, the bow was > about 3" back from the bow-stop), that my tongue weight must have been too > great, causing the extension to buckle. However, with the bow in contact > with the bow-stop, my tongue weight is only 215 lbs. (so less than the > ballpark 350 lbs. target weight). Excessive tongue weight did not cause the > failure. > 2) When I stood the old tongue extension on end and banged the rust out of > the inside of the tube, I collected about 10 pounds of rust. Of course this > was all rust that used to be part of the tube structure. Most of it seemed > to come from the aft side of the tube; that is, the part that bears the > tongue weight when extended. I conclude that I need to be sure to rinse the > inside of the extension thoroughly each time I use it (twice a year) since > we launch and retrieve in salt water. > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 27 18:27:53 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002901d75347$89925110$9cb6f330$@ebsmed.com> I just figure on replacing the extension tube every 20 years or so since it's not that expensive and I'm not sure that rinsing will help. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris on LBI Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:03 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement I replaced my extension and learned a couple of things. 1) In another thread there has been a discussion about tongue weight. I had assumed that since I was successful at positioning the boat fully forward on the bunks for the first time (on the previous three retrievals, the bow was about 3" back from the bow-stop), that my tongue weight must have been too great, causing the extension to buckle. However, with the bow in contact with the bow-stop, my tongue weight is only 215 lbs. (so less than the ballpark 350 lbs. target weight). Excessive tongue weight did not cause the failure. 2) When I stood the old tongue extension on end and banged the rust out of the inside of the tube, I collected about 10 pounds of rust. Of course this was all rust that used to be part of the tube structure. Most of it seemed to come from the aft side of the tube; that is, the part that bears the tongue weight when extended. I conclude that I need to be sure to rinse the inside of the extension thoroughly each time I use it (twice a year) since we launch and retrieve in salt water. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sea20 at verizon.net Thu May 27 19:21:43 2021 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> Unshackling and wrapping the clew sounds like a good idea. I plan to do that in the future. Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Thanks for the replies, hopefully this helps the knowledge base.... > > The main sail, not the headsail/jib/Genoa/jenny, broke from the boom car. > The sail in the IMF, running aft on the boom is what broke loose. The > outhaul car shackle to the main sail clew (IMF rig) broke. My fix should > be a new piece of SS to couple the sail clew to the outhaul car. > Everything else seemed ok. > > > >> On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:39 PM Chris on LBI wrote: >> >> I, too, always put a tie around the genoa (every time we return). I also >> un-shackle the main from the outhaul car, wrap the exposed clew around the >> mast, and put a couple of ties around it if I'm going to be away for more >> than a day or if high wind conditions are expected. It only takes a minute >> ... and as a side benefit reduces windage. >> Chris >> >> >> >> ----- >> Long Beach Island >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 27 19:27:44 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> References: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> Message-ID: Also to Mike's sentiment, I cleated and winched the jenny lines before I left. Ended up wrapping the main clew around the mast to hold it till calmer weather, and looping the car to the boom.... On Thu, May 27, 2021, 6:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Unshackling and wrapping the clew sounds like a good idea. I plan to do > that in the future. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 27, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Thanks for the replies, hopefully this helps the knowledge base.... > > > > The main sail, not the headsail/jib/Genoa/jenny, broke from the boom car. > > The sail in the IMF, running aft on the boom is what broke loose. The > > outhaul car shackle to the main sail clew (IMF rig) broke. My fix should > > be a new piece of SS to couple the sail clew to the outhaul car. > > Everything else seemed ok. > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:39 PM Chris on LBI wrote: > >> > >> I, too, always put a tie around the genoa (every time we return). I also > >> un-shackle the main from the outhaul car, wrap the exposed clew around > the > >> mast, and put a couple of ties around it if I'm going to be away for > more > >> than a day or if high wind conditions are expected. It only takes a > minute > >> ... and as a side benefit reduces windage. > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Long Beach Island > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Thu May 27 20:01:40 2021 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 00:01:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Burgee In-Reply-To: References: <1622140073642-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Joe Hiw does the ?pig stick? work???? Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman > On May 27, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Looks great Joe > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 27, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: >> >> ?Put my R22 burgee up last week. Already had a compliment from a passer by in >> the marina. As you can see its on a "pigstick' which helps it to clear vane >> and antenna. It also displays more freely than if just clipped to a >> halyard. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Joe Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >> Deltaville,VA >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Thu May 27 21:10:15 2021 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:10:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I?ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They?re easy to put around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. Having thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling during high winds. I did shorten them so there wasn?t so much excess strap to deal with. ----- George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 Lake Waccamaw NC -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu May 27 21:13:35 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:13:35 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks George! Highly recommend in the non-corrosive metal. Have 5 sets of the same for say to day use. On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:10 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > I?ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They?re easy to put > around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. Having > thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling during high > winds. I did shorten them so there wasn?t so much excess strap to deal > with. > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C740D583-53BC-4D54-8E4C-644B63E07727.png> > > > > > ----- > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > Lake Waccamaw NC > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stan at generalboats.com Thu May 27 23:39:50 2021 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB ADVERTISEMENT RE: Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> References: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7f8413aa-5e88-c754-392e-c7455ea7af32@generalboats.com> Go to:? www.rhodes22parts.com Open 'Newsy Stuff' page Scroll down to Outhaul Car section On 5/27/21 7:21 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Unshackling and wrapping the clew sounds like a good idea. I plan to do that in the future. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 27, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> ?Thanks for the replies, hopefully this helps the knowledge base.... >> >> The main sail, not the headsail/jib/Genoa/jenny, broke from the boom car. >> The sail in the IMF, running aft on the boom is what broke loose. The >> outhaul car shackle to the main sail clew (IMF rig) broke. My fix should >> be a new piece of SS to couple the sail clew to the outhaul car. >> Everything else seemed ok. >> >> From sbauman369 at gmail.com Fri May 28 07:35:48 2021 From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 07:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I just use a short piece of rope to secure each sail. I run the genoa one through the clew and tie it, and similar for the main. Steve On Thu, May 27, 2021, 9:13 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Thanks George! > > Highly recommend in the non-corrosive metal. Have 5 sets of the same for > say to day use. > > On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:10 PM Gmorganflier > wrote: > > > I?ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They?re easy to put > > around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. Having > > thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling during > high > > winds. I did shorten them so there wasn?t so much excess strap to deal > > with. > > > > < > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C740D583-53BC-4D54-8E4C-644B63E07727.png > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > George Morgan > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > Lake Waccamaw NC > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 28 07:49:05 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 11:49:05 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: <002901d75347$89925110$9cb6f330$@ebsmed.com> References: <1619038720467-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1622152985576-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <002901d75347$89925110$9cb6f330$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi All, The stiffness of a rectangular tube is proportional to the [Tube Wall Thickness]^3. That means the stiffness would be VERY sensitive to loss of material due to corrosion. The situation would be even worse if there was localized corrosion, say due to pitting or a low spot that caused salt water to pool. Besides flushing after every salt water immersion, you might want to consider running a rag soaked in a corrosion inhibiting oil, like gun oil, thru that tongue extension. When the tongue is extended, the tongue weight is much lower. For example, my trailer?s tongue weight is about 327 lbs with the tongue not extended. With the tongue extended, I?ve never measured it. But, it?s low enough; that, I can lift the tongue with one hand. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael D. Weisner Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:28 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement I just figure on replacing the extension tube every 20 years or so since it's not that expensive and I'm not sure that rinsing will help. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris on LBI Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:03 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement I replaced my extension and learned a couple of things. 1) In another thread there has been a discussion about tongue weight. I had assumed that since I was successful at positioning the boat fully forward on the bunks for the first time (on the previous three retrievals, the bow was about 3" back from the bow-stop), that my tongue weight must have been too great, causing the extension to buckle. However, with the bow in contact with the bow-stop, my tongue weight is only 215 lbs. (so less than the ballpark 350 lbs. target weight). Excessive tongue weight did not cause the failure. 2) When I stood the old tongue extension on end and banged the rust out of the inside of the tube, I collected about 10 pounds of rust. Of course this was all rust that used to be part of the tube structure. Most of it seemed to come from the aft side of the tube; that is, the part that bears the tongue weight when extended. I conclude that I need to be sure to rinse the inside of the extension thoroughly each time I use it (twice a year) since we launch and retrieve in salt water. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 28 08:53:06 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ?Give me a lever?long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue, NY -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA Date: 5/28/21 7:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension Replacement Hi All,The stiffness of a rectangular tube is proportional to the [Tube Wall Thickness]^3.? That means the stiffness would be VERY sensitive to loss of material due to corrosion.? The situation would be even worse if there was localized corrosion, say due to pitting or a low spot that caused salt water to pool.? Besides flushing after every salt water immersion, you might want to consider running a rag soaked in a corrosion inhibiting oil, like gun oil, thru that tongue extension.When the tongue is extended, the tongue weight is much lower.? For example, my trailer?s tongue weight is about 327 lbs with the tongue not extended.? With the tongue extended, I?ve never measured it.? But, it?s low enough; that, I can lift the tongue with one hand.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from Mail for Windows 10From: Michael D. WeisnerSent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:28 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension ReplacementI just figure on replacing the extension tube every 20 years or so sinceit's not that expensive and I'm not sure that rinsing will help.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI'd rather be sailing :~)-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chrison LBISent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:03 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Extension ReplacementI replaced my extension and learned a couple of things.1) In another thread there has been a discussion about tongue weight. I hadassumed that since I was successful at positioning the boat fully forward onthe bunks for the first time (on the previous three retrievals, the bow wasabout 3" back from the bow-stop), that my tongue weight must have been toogreat, causing the extension to buckle. However, with the bow in contactwith the bow-stop, my tongue weight is only 215 lbs. (so less than theballpark 350 lbs. target weight). Excessive tongue weight did not cause thefailure.2) When I stood the old tongue extension on end and banged the rust out ofthe inside of the tube, I collected about 10 pounds of rust. Of course thiswas all rust that used to be part of the tube structure. Most of it seemedto come from the aft side of the tube; that is, the part that bears thetongue weight when extended. I conclude that I need to be sure to rinse theinside of the extension thoroughly each time I use it (twice a year) sincewe launch and retrieve in salt water.-----Long Beach Island--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From allynb at adsne.com Fri May 28 11:19:40 2021 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 15:19:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Message-ID: We had a club race last Wednesday with 20+ mph winds and gusts well into the 30's. I was doing 6 knots going out to the starting point with only the main. The previous boat owner used a carabiner to hold up the boom when the sail was furled. The mail was riding high because of the wind, and I didn't realize the carabiner snagged the rear stay - although I did notice the boat wasn't behaving properly. I no more than saw the carabiner was snagged, when the top of the wire halyard for the CDI furler snapped (right where the threads start) and the headsail went into the water. I'm dropping the mast tomorrow morning, but I can't see exactly what's missing at the top. I see a hole where I believe something should attach. Does anyone have a picture of the top of the mast where the furler attaches? I'd like to compare what I have to something known good. Thanks - Allyn From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 28 13:05:01 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 17:05:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allyn, There are 3 things that might have happened: 1. The swaged terminal at the end of the forestay failed. 2. The pin thru the masthead casting either failed or fell out. i.e. cotter pin fell out 3. The masthead casting failed. Since you say you can see a ?hole? in the masthead casting, I?m thinking #2. Take a look at the top of the forestay. Is the swaged terminal still there? If not, see #1. If the swaged terminal is still there, is the pin still in the terminal? If not, see #2. If the pin is still there, then your masthead casting failed. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > ?We had a club race last Wednesday with 20+ mph winds and gusts well into the 30's. I was doing 6 knots going out to the starting point with only the main. The previous boat owner used a carabiner to hold up the boom when the sail was furled. The mail was riding high because of the wind, and I didn't realize the carabiner snagged the rear stay - although I did notice the boat wasn't behaving properly. I no more than saw the carabiner was snagged, when the top of the wire halyard for the CDI furler snapped (right where the threads start) and the headsail went into the water. > > I'm dropping the mast tomorrow morning, but I can't see exactly what's missing at the top. I see a hole where I believe something should attach. Does anyone have a picture of the top of the mast where the furler attaches? I'd like to compare what I have to something known good. > > Thanks - Allyn From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri May 28 16:09:15 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 13:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Message-ID: Allyn, I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and the fix. There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s Best of luck, Peter From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 28 16:50:22 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 20:50:22 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post. If Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area. We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle joints on the top of their forestays. From your U-Tube video, your failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. Such failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt water environment. They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing. Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner. All boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Allyn, > > I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and the fix. There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s > > Best of luck, > > Peter From chitakcheung at gmail.com Fri May 28 17:18:02 2021 From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 17:18:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> References: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I found the product, it is the C.S. Johnson Roller Furler Bail, Defender PN 614089. The two mounting holes are 1" center to center, tapped for 10-32 fasteners, with a 1/4" hole in the center. You can find a swivel base cam cleat to connect to this bail. I am considering doing this. patrick On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 10:27 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rick: Can you supply a link for the claam cleat and base? Looks > interesting but I can't quite make out how it works. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Rick Lange > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > > From stan at generalboats.com Fri May 28 19:42:19 2021 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 19:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Answer to Outhaul Car issues In-Reply-To: <7f8413aa-5e88-c754-392e-c7455ea7af32@generalboats.com> References: <86AEEB5E-34E1-4BA7-BADD-63A7AEB5C51D@verizon.net> <7f8413aa-5e88-c754-392e-c7455ea7af32@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <77eb2fd2-6fae-8d8e-74ba-798f3bc3957a@generalboats.com> On 5/27/21 11:39 PM, stan wrote: > Go to:? www.rhodes22parts.com > Open 'Newsy Stuff' page > Scroll down to Outhaul Car section > > > On 5/27/21 7:21 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> Unshackling and wrapping the clew sounds like a good idea. I plan to >> do that in the future. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 27, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Tom Van Heule >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?Thanks for the replies, hopefully this helps the knowledge base.... >>> >>> The main sail, not the headsail/jib/Genoa/jenny, broke from the boom >>> car. >>> The sail in the IMF, running aft on the boom is what broke loose.? The >>> outhaul car shackle to the main sail clew (IMF rig) broke.? My fix >>> should >>> be a new piece of SS to couple the sail clew to the outhaul car. >>> Everything else seemed ok. >>> >>> > From allynb at adsne.com Fri May 28 19:47:05 2021 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 23:47:05 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you know. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Allyn, There are 3 things that might have happened: 1. The swaged terminal at the end of the forestay failed. 2. The pin thru the masthead casting either failed or fell out. i.e. cotter pin fell out 3. The masthead casting failed. Since you say you can see a ?hole? in the masthead casting, I?m thinking #2. Take a look at the top of the forestay. Is the swaged terminal still there? If not, see #1. If the swaged terminal is still there, is the pin still in the terminal? If not, see #2. If the pin is still there, then your masthead casting failed. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > ?We had a club race last Wednesday with 20+ mph winds and gusts well into the 30's. I was doing 6 knots going out to the starting point with only the main. The previous boat owner used a carabiner to hold up the boom when the sail was furled. The mail was riding high because of the wind, and I didn't realize the carabiner snagged the rear stay - although I did notice the boat wasn't behaving properly. I no more than saw the carabiner was snagged, when the top of the wire halyard for the CDI furler snapped (right where the threads start) and the headsail went into the water. > > I'm dropping the mast tomorrow morning, but I can't see exactly what's missing at the top. I see a hole where I believe something should attach. Does anyone have a picture of the top of the mast where the furler attaches? I'd like to compare what I have to something known good. > > Thanks - Allyn From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri May 28 21:49:21 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 21:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: References: <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca> Message-ID: <060d01d7542c$d9cd65d0$8d683170$@ca> Patrick: Thanks for the part ID. If you proceed with the modification let us know how it works. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:18 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Hi Graham, I found the product, it is the C.S. Johnson Roller Furler Bail, Defender PN 614089. The two mounting holes are 1" center to center, tapped for 10-32 fasteners, with a 1/4" hole in the center. You can find a swivel base cam cleat to connect to this bail. I am considering doing this. patrick On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 10:27 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rick: Can you supply a link for the claam cleat and base? Looks > interesting but I can't quite make out how it works. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Rick Lange > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > Here's the clam cleat replacement with cam cleats on Stan's '90s era > traveler. > > [image: traveller.jpg] > > The cleats are mounted on swivel bases so locking and releasing are > automatic. Tying together the control line ends allows for an easy reach > from anywhere near the tiller. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: traveller.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1388851 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210522/5cb5f597/attachment.jpg > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat May 29 06:44:50 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 10:44:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Allyn, I went back and reread your post. When you say the top of the forestay snapped right where the threads start, that sounds exactly like what happened to Peter?s S/V Silverheels. Peter has posted an excellent U-Tube video of the issue and his fix. Unfortunately, you will have to replace your forestay just like he did. I?ve attached a copy of my post to Peter: Peter, S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post. If Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area. We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle joints on the top of their forestays. From your U-Tube video, your failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. Such failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt water environment. They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing. Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner. All boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Peter and Allyn, what year are your boats? You can tell from the W/C registration number on the transom. Do you know if the forestays have ever been replaced? I?m wondering if we have an issue with chloride stress cracking fatigue due to hours of use or perhaps a defective batch of swaged terminals? If your boats were made around the same time, we could have a defective batch of parts. In any case, it certainly wouldn?t hurt for everybody to take a close look at the toggle joint at the top of your forestay. A dye penetrant test would be best; but, at least look closely with a magnifying glass for tiny cracks &/or rusty reddish brown discoloration on or near the threads. If you see anything like this, I recommend you immediately replace at least the threaded component of the toggle joint, assuming you can get it apart. If you can?t get it apart; then, replace your whole forestay. Chloride stress cracking fatigue is one of those failure mechanisms that can proceed very rapidly from hardly anything visible to total failure. The failure will likely happen when your rig is heavily stressed ? i.e. just when you don?t need problems! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Allyn Baskerville Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you know. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Allyn, There are 3 things that might have happened: 1. The swaged terminal at the end of the forestay failed. 2. The pin thru the masthead casting either failed or fell out. i.e. cotter pin fell out 3. The masthead casting failed. Since you say you can see a ?hole? in the masthead casting, I?m thinking #2. Take a look at the top of the forestay. Is the swaged terminal still there? If not, see #1. If the swaged terminal is still there, is the pin still in the terminal? If not, see #2. If the pin is still there, then your masthead casting failed. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > ?We had a club race last Wednesday with 20+ mph winds and gusts well into the 30's. I was doing 6 knots going out to the starting point with only the main. The previous boat owner used a carabiner to hold up the boom when the sail was furled. The mail was riding high because of the wind, and I didn't realize the carabiner snagged the rear stay - although I did notice the boat wasn't behaving properly. I no more than saw the carabiner was snagged, when the top of the wire halyard for the CDI furler snapped (right where the threads start) and the headsail went into the water. > > I'm dropping the mast tomorrow morning, but I can't see exactly what's missing at the top. I see a hole where I believe something should attach. Does anyone have a picture of the top of the mast where the furler attaches? I'd like to compare what I have to something known good. > > Thanks - Allyn From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat May 29 09:20:42 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 06:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Message-ID: Roger, My boat was built in 1988. It seems unlikely that the failed forestay would have been original. The boat was last recycled by General Boats in 2016. There's no telling how many times it was recycled prior to that. I don't think year of manufacture will help us identify a defective batch of swaged terminals. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2021-05-29, at 06:44:50 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Peter and Allyn, what year are your boats? You can tell from the W/C > registration number on the transom. Do you know if the forestays have ever been > replaced? I?m wondering if we have an issue with chloride stress cracking > fatigue due to hours of use or perhaps a defective batch of swaged terminals? > If your boats were made around the same time, we could have a defective batch of > parts. In any case, it certainly wouldn?t hurt for everybody to take a close > look at the toggle joint at the top of your forestay. A dye penetrant test > would be best; but, at least look closely with a magnifying glass for tiny > cracks &/or rusty reddish brown discoloration on or near the threads. If > you see anything like this, I recommend you immediately replace at least the > threaded component of the toggle joint, assuming you can get it apart. If you > can?t get it apart; then, replace your whole forestay. Chloride stress cracking > fatigue is one of those failure mechanisms that can proceed very rapidly from > hardly anything visible to total failure. The failure will likely happen when > your rig is heavily stressed ? i.e. just when you don?t need problems! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > Sent from Mail< href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> > for Windows 10 > > From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto: href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">allynb at > adsne.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto: href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-list at > rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the > top? > > Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you know. > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat May 29 09:33:11 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 13:33:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, You are probably right. That leaves it up to individual owners to do their own inspection. We?re fortunate our boats have those forward lower forestays or this issue would bring down the rig. It?s bad enough to have your genoa go into the water. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Roger, > > My boat was built in 1988. It seems unlikely that the failed forestay would have been original. > > The boat was last recycled by General Boats in 2016. There's no telling how many times it was recycled prior to that. I don't think year of manufacture will help us identify a defective batch of swaged terminals. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On 2021-05-29, at 06:44:50 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Peter and Allyn, what year are your boats? You can tell from the W/C >> registration number on the transom. Do you know if the forestays have ever been >> replaced? I?m wondering if we have an issue with chloride stress cracking >> fatigue due to hours of use or perhaps a defective batch of swaged terminals? >> If your boats were made around the same time, we could have a defective batch of >> parts. In any case, it certainly wouldn?t hurt for everybody to take a close >> look at the toggle joint at the top of your forestay. A dye penetrant test >> would be best; but, at least look closely with a magnifying glass for tiny >> cracks &/or rusty reddish brown discoloration on or near the threads. If >> you see anything like this, I recommend you immediately replace at least the >> threaded component of the toggle joint, assuming you can get it apart. If you >> can?t get it apart; then, replace your whole forestay. Chloride stress cracking >> fatigue is one of those failure mechanisms that can proceed very rapidly from >> hardly anything visible to total failure. The failure will likely happen when >> your rig is heavily stressed ? i.e. just when you don?t need problems! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> Sent from Mail<> href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> >> for Windows 10 >> >> From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">allynb at >> adsne.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-list at >> rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the >> top? >> >> Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you know. >> >> > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat May 29 10:43:15 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 10:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001d75498$f61989f0$e24c9dd0$@ebsmed.com> I would like to add an additional caution to those who experience a rigging failure that causes a sail to deploy fully or partially. Please refurl the sail as well as possible and strap and secure it to the mast BEFORE attempting to lower the mast. A small amount of sail will catch the wind, espescially higher up the mast, and, could make the process of dropping the mast just that. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:33 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? Peter, You are probably right. That leaves it up to individual owners to do their own inspection. We?re fortunate our boats have those forward lower forestays or this issue would bring down the rig. It?s bad enough to have your genoa go into the water. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Roger, > > My boat was built in 1988. It seems unlikely that the failed forestay would have been original. > > The boat was last recycled by General Boats in 2016. There's no telling how many times it was recycled prior to that. I don't think year of manufacture will help us identify a defective batch of swaged terminals. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On 2021-05-29, at 06:44:50 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Peter and Allyn, what year are your boats? You can tell from the W/C >> registration number on the transom. Do you know if the forestays >> have ever been replaced? I?m wondering if we have an issue with >> chloride stress cracking fatigue due to hours of use or perhaps a defective batch of swaged terminals? >> If your boats were made around the same time, we could have a >> defective batch of parts. In any case, it certainly wouldn?t hurt >> for everybody to take a close look at the toggle joint at the top of >> your forestay. A dye penetrant test would be best; but, at least >> look closely with a magnifying glass for tiny cracks &/or rusty >> reddish brown discoloration on or near the threads. If you see >> anything like this, I recommend you immediately replace at least the >> threaded component of the toggle joint, assuming you can get it >> apart. If you can?t get it apart; then, replace your whole forestay. >> Chloride stress cracking fatigue is one of those failure mechanisms >> that can proceed very rapidly from hardly anything visible to total failure. The failure will likely happen when your rig is heavily stressed ? i.e. just when you don?t need problems! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> Sent from Mail<> href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">https://go.micr >> osoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> >> for Windows 10 >> >> From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">allynb at >> adsne.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-li >> st at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's >> at the top? >> >> Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you know. >> >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 29 10:45:39 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 09:45:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: <005001d75498$f61989f0$e24c9dd0$@ebsmed.com> References: <005001d75498$f61989f0$e24c9dd0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Great call Mike. In those "fun times" the little things can get overlooked making it worse. On Sat, May 29, 2021, 9:43 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I would like to add an additional caution to those who experience a > rigging failure that causes a sail to deploy fully or partially. Please > refurl the sail as well as possible and strap and secure it to the mast > BEFORE attempting to lower the mast. A small amount of sail will catch the > wind, espescially higher up the mast, and, could make the process of > dropping the mast just that. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:33 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at > the top? > > Peter, > > You are probably right. That leaves it up to individual owners to do > their own inspection. > > We?re fortunate our boats have those forward lower forestays or this issue > would bring down the rig. It?s bad enough to have your genoa go into the > water. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 29, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > ?Roger, > > > > My boat was built in 1988. It seems unlikely that the failed forestay > would have been original. > > > > The boat was last recycled by General Boats in 2016. There's no telling > how many times it was recycled prior to that. I don't think year of > manufacture will help us identify a defective batch of swaged terminals. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On 2021-05-29, at 06:44:50 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > >> > >> Peter and Allyn, what year are your boats? You can tell from the W/C > >> registration number on the transom. Do you know if the forestays > >> have ever been replaced? I?m wondering if we have an issue with > >> chloride stress cracking fatigue due to hours of use or perhaps a > defective batch of swaged terminals? > >> If your boats were made around the same time, we could have a > >> defective batch of parts. In any case, it certainly wouldn?t hurt > >> for everybody to take a close look at the toggle joint at the top of > >> your forestay. A dye penetrant test would be best; but, at least > >> look closely with a magnifying glass for tiny cracks &/or rusty > >> reddish brown discoloration on or near the threads. If you see > >> anything like this, I recommend you immediately replace at least the > >> threaded component of the toggle joint, assuming you can get it > >> apart. If you can?t get it apart; then, replace your whole forestay. > >> Chloride stress cracking fatigue is one of those failure mechanisms > >> that can proceed very rapidly from hardly anything visible to total > failure. The failure will likely happen when your rig is heavily stressed > ? i.e. just when you don?t need problems! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail< >> href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">https://go.micr > >> osoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> > >> for Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto: >> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">allynb at > >> adsne.com> > >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto: >> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-li > >> st at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's > >> at the top? > >> > >> Thanks, Roger. I'm dropping the mast in the morning and will let you > know. > >> > >> > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Sat May 29 14:07:46 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 11:07:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1622311666779-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I'm forwarding your experience to CDI. Their website is www.sailcdi.com. They have relocated from Homer, NY to Winnepeg. Joel Grouette there has been very helpful when I had to rebuild my FF2 furler. You can reach him at jgrouette at sailcdi.com or 204-896-1333. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sat May 29 17:48:21 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 14:48:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Burgee In-Reply-To: References: <1622140073642-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1622324901846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Charles, A pigstick is a wooden or aluminum pole to which a burgess can be attached and is hoisted up the mast via a halyard roved through a block at the peak. I've attached drawings and instructions that I used to fabricate my pigstick. It's fairly simple to do with available materials through your local hardware store and McMaster and Carr. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 29 18:51:57 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 17:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Updates. Happy holiday weekend, all, and extra shoutouts and respect to our service friends. So I went searching for some stainless steel. I call this piece "outhaul car linkage plate". I believe the fix is self explanatory... I thought about grinding off the sharper shoulder, but it doesn't seem to affect the function. Let me know what you think. Happy seas, Tom On Fri, May 28, 2021, 6:36 AM Steve Bauman wrote: > I just use a short piece of rope to secure each sail. I run the genoa one > through the clew and tie it, and similar for the main. > > Steve > > On Thu, May 27, 2021, 9:13 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Thanks George! > > > > Highly recommend in the non-corrosive metal. Have 5 sets of the same for > > say to day use. > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:10 PM Gmorganflier > > wrote: > > > > > I?ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They?re easy to > put > > > around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. > Having > > > thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling during > > high > > > winds. I did shorten them so there wasn?t so much excess strap to deal > > > with. > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C740D583-53BC-4D54-8E4C-644B63E07727.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > George Morgan > > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > Lake Waccamaw NC > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210529_142458.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2178014 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210529_133055.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2033154 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <58658.24.140.30.102.1622334121.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Nice way to avoid drilling and cutting. Stainless steel is hard to work with, using regular home tools. Jerry Lowe Updates. > Happy holiday weekend, all, and extra shoutouts and respect to our service > friends. > > So I went searching for some stainless steel. I call this piece "outhaul > car linkage plate". > > I believe the fix is self explanatory... > I thought about grinding off the sharper shoulder, but it doesn't seem to > affect the function. > > Let me know what you think. > Happy seas, > Tom > > On Fri, May 28, 2021, 6:36 AM Steve Bauman wrote: > >> I just use a short piece of rope to secure each sail. I run the genoa >> one >> through the clew and tie it, and similar for the main. >> >> Steve >> >> On Thu, May 27, 2021, 9:13 PM Tom Van Heule < >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >> >> > Thanks George! >> > >> > Highly recommend in the non-corrosive metal. Have 5 sets of the same >> for >> > say to day use. >> > >> > On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:10 PM Gmorganflier >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I???ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They???re >> easy to >> put >> > > around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. >> Having >> > > thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling >> during >> > high >> > > winds. I did shorten them so there wasn???t so much excess strap to >> deal >> > > with. >> > > >> > > < >> > > >> > >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C740D583-53BC-4D54-8E4C-644B63E07727.png >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- >> > > George Morgan >> > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 >> > > Lake Waccamaw NC >> > > -- >> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210529_142458.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2178014 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210529_133055.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2033154 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210529_104420.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2247445 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat May 29 21:27:09 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 20:27:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: <58658.24.140.30.102.1622334121.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <58658.24.140.30.102.1622334121.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Only in the spirit of the acronym, b.o.a.t., I did have to spend 14 bucks on the unit to only sacrifice the plate. I would ask.... I don't think it is advised to grind/machine these type of "off the shelf" parts.... They seem to be "sub grade" to the OG hardware, although it 60% thicker. If I ground them down I would risk failure if not pure SS. It didn't hang up at all even with the more square shoulders. Time will tell, Happy sails, Tom On Sat, May 29, 2021, 7:22 PM wrote: > > Nice way to avoid drilling and cutting. Stainless steel is hard to work > with, using regular home tools. > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > Updates. > > Happy holiday weekend, all, and extra shoutouts and respect to our > service > > friends. > > > > So I went searching for some stainless steel. I call this piece "outhaul > > car linkage plate". > > > > I believe the fix is self explanatory... > > I thought about grinding off the sharper shoulder, but it doesn't seem to > > affect the function. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy seas, > > Tom > > > > On Fri, May 28, 2021, 6:36 AM Steve Bauman wrote: > > > >> I just use a short piece of rope to secure each sail. I run the genoa > >> one > >> through the clew and tie it, and similar for the main. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> On Thu, May 27, 2021, 9:13 PM Tom Van Heule < > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks George! > >> > > >> > Highly recommend in the non-corrosive metal. Have 5 sets of the same > >> for > >> > say to day use. > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:10 PM Gmorganflier > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I?ve used these straps from Amazon for the last year. They?re > >> easy to > >> put > >> > > around the part of the main which is exposed and the furled Genoa. > >> Having > >> > > thes straps around my sails, I never worry about them unfurling > >> during > >> > high > >> > > winds. I did shorten them so there wasn?t so much excess strap to > >> deal > >> > > with. > >> > > > >> > > < > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C740D583-53BC-4D54-8E4C-644B63E07727.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ----- > >> > > George Morgan > >> > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > >> > > Lake Waccamaw NC > >> > > -- > >> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > > >> > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20210529_142458.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2178014 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210529/246323a5/attachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20210529_133055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2033154 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210529/246323a5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20210529_104420.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2247445 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210529/246323a5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 30 13:46:32 2021 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 17:46:32 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled Message-ID: Hi All, As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart. Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but, I insisted. in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely support my decision. There?s always next year, right? I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun May 30 14:02:06 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 14:02:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the Cleveland shoreline, my rigged boat just went through 52mph gusts without incident. The IMF furling line was loop locked on a boom horn cleat and the genny furling line had a stopper knot after the cam cleat. The old sailor saw that the calm before the storm is God's Grace still applies to us. In other words, furl both of the sails during the calm so the main goes all the way into the mast and the jib sheets wrap once or twice around the genny. Then lock your furling lines and nothing else is needed. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:04 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free" > > "Ok I'll be there in 30" > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads..... We have had 50mph > gusts in the harbor today. > > Anyone have a part number? 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing else is needed except to remember to breathe! Sounds safe but scary to this old guy. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sun, May 30, 2021, 11:02 AM Rick Lange wrote: > On the Cleveland shoreline, my rigged boat just went through 52mph gusts > without incident. The IMF furling line was loop locked on a boom horn > cleat and the genny furling line had a stopper knot after the cam cleat. > > The old sailor saw that the calm before the storm is God's Grace still > applies to us. In other words, furl both of the sails during the calm so > the main goes all the way into the mast and the jib sheets wrap once or > twice around the genny. Then lock your furling lines and nothing else is > needed. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:04 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free" > > > > "Ok I'll be there in 30" > > > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads..... We have had > 50mph > > gusts in the harbor today. > > > > Anyone have a part number? 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You can't take care of others if you can't take care of yourself. Good luck! Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take > a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We > were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks > in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used > to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to > back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do > something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the > middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on > my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day > stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up > to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping > my heart. > > Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This > is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in > the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in > the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They > also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical > team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is > inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any > congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, > plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling > your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day > in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a > similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a > nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in > order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance > to approve this; but, I insisted. > > in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident > in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned > at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely > support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had > a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the > hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun May 30 21:39:47 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 20:39:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Best thought and hopes Rodger. You're too good to go now, don't forget it!!! I'm excited to meet ya and do some Wisconsin costal shenanigans. On Sun, May 30, 2021, 8:20 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > Roger: > > Sounds complicated. You can't take care of others if you can't take care of > yourself. Good luck! > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to > take > > a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > > 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. > We > > were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea > kayaks > > in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be > used > > to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > > uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to > > back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > > Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We > do > > something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > > archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in > the > > middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > > > I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard > on > > my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > > better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > > heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > > isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day > > stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me > up > > to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > > establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without > stopping > > my heart. > > > > Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > > Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. > This > > is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision > in > > the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein > in > > the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. > They > > also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > > bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > > lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the > surgical > > team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is > > inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for > any > > congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve > problems, > > plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > > malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > > they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > > beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling > > your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > > fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > > would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day > > in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is > a > > similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > > them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a > > nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > > what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested > in > > order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical > insurance > > to approve this; but, I insisted. > > > > in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > > area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > > kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not > confident > > in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be > summoned > > at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > > If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > > and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they > completely > > support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > > > I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I > had > > a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the > > hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun May 30 23:07:34 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 22:07:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to go on many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes for a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the issue so you can get back in adventure shape soon! By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out and we had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to the class! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take > a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We > were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks > in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used > to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to > back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do > something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the > middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on > my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day > stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up > to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping > my heart. > > Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This > is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in > the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in > the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They > also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical > team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is > inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any > congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, > plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling > your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day > in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a > similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a > nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in > order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance > to approve this; but, I insisted. > > in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident > in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned > at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely > support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had > a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the > hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon May 31 06:52:11 2021 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (Roger Pihlaja Home) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 06:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jessie, Boy, you and your wife take more classes and charter more sailboats than about anyone I?ve ever known! Are you getting ready for some sort of great sailing escape? Deb and I spent some time in San Francisco for our 35th wedding anniversary. (August 6, 2021 will be #44!). We took the tour boat around Alcatraz Island. The big America?s Cup catamarans we?re out practicing on the bay. It was really amazing to see that kind of speed under sail! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPad > On May 30, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to go on > many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes for > a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the issue > so you can get back in adventure shape soon! > Oats > By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at Treasure > Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes > through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out and we > had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to the > class! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take >> a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, >> 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We >> were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks >> in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used >> to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many >> uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to >> back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High >> Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do >> something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 >> archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the >> middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. >> >> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on >> my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting >> better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid >> heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, >> isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day >> stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up >> to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to >> establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping >> my heart. >> >> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures >> Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This >> is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in >> the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in >> the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They >> also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the >> bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are >> lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical >> team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is >> inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any >> congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, >> plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even >> malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which >> they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it >> beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling >> your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can >> fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which >> would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day >> in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a >> similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing >> them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a >> nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out >> what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in >> order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance >> to approve this; but, I insisted. >> >> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote >> area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea >> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident >> in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned >> at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. >> If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous >> and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely >> support my decision. There?s always next year, right? >> >> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had >> a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the >> hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon May 31 06:53:50 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 03:53:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1622458430144-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stay Safe Roger! Da list needs your expertise. ----- Jeff Smith 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stevenalm at gmail.com Mon May 31 07:11:16 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 06:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, my dad had a heart attack and a complicated surgery 26 years ago and just yesterday celebrated his 93rd birthday and is going strong! The advances they?ve made since then are truly amazing. Best of luck with your procedure and speedy recovery. Keeping you my thoughts. On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to go on > many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes for > a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the issue > so you can get back in adventure shape soon! > > By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at Treasure > Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes > through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out and we > had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to the > class! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to > take > > a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > > 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. > We > > were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea > kayaks > > in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be > used > > to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > > uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to > > back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > > Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We > do > > something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > > archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in > the > > middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > > > I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard > on > > my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > > better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > > heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > > isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day > > stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me > up > > to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > > establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without > stopping > > my heart. > > > > Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > > Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. > This > > is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision > in > > the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein > in > > the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. > They > > also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > > bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > > lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the > surgical > > team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is > > inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for > any > > congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve > problems, > > plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > > malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > > they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > > beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling > > your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > > fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > > would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day > > in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is > a > > similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > > them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a > > nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > > what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested > in > > order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical > insurance > > to approve this; but, I insisted. > > > > in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > > area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > > kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not > confident > > in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be > summoned > > at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > > If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > > and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they > completely > > support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > > > I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I > had > > a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the > > hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon May 31 08:28:46 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 07:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger, When I learned how to sail in 2018, I was immediately hooked. I'm fortunate that we do have a club full of friendly and helpful sailors with am active racing group. Our local lake is quite small, and we love to travel anyway so trips to bigger water on big boats work out well. Due to the pandemic, the independence of sailing trips work out especially well, particularly the driving trips to the Great Lakes. I'm grateful that my wife likes to sail so it is something we can do together. Eventually we would like to liveaboard and go cruising. I enjoy the classes and would prefer to be as prepared as possible from experience on different boats in different places with different instructors. I learn a lot from you and the collective knowledge from da list! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, May 31, 2021, 3:52 AM Roger Pihlaja Home wrote: > Jessie, > > Boy, you and your wife take more classes and charter more sailboats than > about anyone I?ve ever known! Are you getting ready for some sort of great > sailing escape? > > Deb and I spent some time in San Francisco for our 35th wedding > anniversary. (August 6, 2021 will be #44!). We took the tour boat around > Alcatraz Island. The big America?s Cup catamarans we?re out practicing on > the bay. It was really amazing to see that kind of speed under sail! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPad > > > On May 30, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to go > on > > many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes > for > > a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the issue > > so you can get back in adventure shape soon! > > Oats > > By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at Treasure > > Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes > > through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out and > we > > had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to > the > > class! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to > take > >> a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > >> 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. > We > >> were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea > kayaks > >> in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be > used > >> to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > >> uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going > to > >> back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > >> Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We > do > >> something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > >> archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in > the > >> middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > >> > >> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard > on > >> my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > >> better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > >> heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > >> isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 > day > >> stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook > me up > >> to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > >> establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without > stopping > >> my heart. > >> > >> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > >> Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. > This > >> is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an > incision in > >> the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein > in > >> the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. > They > >> also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > >> bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > >> lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the > surgical > >> team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe > is > >> inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for > any > >> congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve > problems, > >> plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > >> malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > >> they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > >> beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like > overhauling > >> your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > >> fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > >> would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 > day > >> in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which > is a > >> similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > >> them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in > a > >> nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > >> what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested > in > >> order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical > insurance > >> to approve this; but, I insisted. > >> > >> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > >> area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > >> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not > confident > >> in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be > summoned > >> at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > >> If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > >> and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they > completely > >> support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > >> > >> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I > had > >> a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into > the > >> hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon May 31 08:31:30 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 08:31:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF0C157-148D-4D6D-8EAC-6FC44CD9B3D9@stottarchitecture.com> Roger In the years leading to 2008 I had a particularly stubborn A-fib issue that did not respond to any of the beta-blocker treatments available at the time. It caused some problems with my bi-lateral hip replacement and the surgery was stopped before it started because the anesthesiologist didn?t like my rhythm, my heart was playing the conga. Finally got the hips done but one of them failed and needed to be revised a year later. They would not fix the hip until my heart was behaving. The first ablation had the desired effect until I got the flu a month later. That caused a different kind of atrial flutter that I thought would be the end of me. A 2nd cardiac ablation, which was kind of rare at the time cured the A-fib and I?ve never had it again. I have a number of warranty replacement parts and repairs but still able to keep going. Dadventure should have been launched already but I moved both my office and home in the past two months, as usual, mostly single-handed. Although rhumatoid arthritis has slowed me down and made me grunt and groan, there are drugs for that too. Like my ?86 Rhodes, I need replacement parts and repairs from time to time, but with proper care and maintenance, have years of high performance practical use left. Unfortunately there is no ROC membership for life, and total makeovers are not available yet. I have faith you will take your trip next year and many more years after that. Best to you in health and healing. Pun intended. Ric Stott sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent fromiPhone > On May 31, 2021, at 7:11 AM, Steven Alm wrote: > > ?Roger, my dad had a heart attack and a complicated surgery 26 years ago and > just yesterday celebrated his 93rd birthday and is going strong! The > advances they?ve made since then are truly amazing. Best of luck with your > procedure and speedy recovery. Keeping you my thoughts. > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to go on >> many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes for >> a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the issue >> so you can get back in adventure shape soon! >> >> By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at Treasure >> Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes >> through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out and we >> had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to the >> class! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to >> take >>> a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, >>> 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. >> We >>> were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea >> kayaks >>> in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be >> used >>> to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many >>> uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to >>> back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High >>> Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We >> do >>> something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 >>> archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in >> the >>> middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. >>> >>> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard >> on >>> my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting >>> better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid >>> heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, >>> isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day >>> stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me >> up >>> to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to >>> establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without >> stopping >>> my heart. >>> >>> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures >>> Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. >> This >>> is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision >> in >>> the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein >> in >>> the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. >> They >>> also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the >>> bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are >>> lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the >> surgical >>> team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is >>> inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for >> any >>> congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve >> problems, >>> plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even >>> malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which >>> they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it >>> beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling >>> your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can >>> fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which >>> would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day >>> in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is >> a >>> similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing >>> them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a >>> nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out >>> what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested >> in >>> order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical >> insurance >>> to approve this; but, I insisted. >>> >>> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote >>> area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea >>> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not >> confident >>> in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be >> summoned >>> at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. >>> If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous >>> and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they >> completely >>> support my decision. There?s always next year, right? >>> >>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I >> had >>> a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the >>> hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> >> From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 31 10:05:13 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 14:05:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, Yeah, you are probably right. Not a good time to get away from medical care. Too bad. Sounds like the best thing to do is to get fixed up and plan for next year. Although the procedures they have lined up for you don't sound like any fun. It is amazing what they can do these days though. Hope they get you all figured out so you can be back on the water soon. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 1:46 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled Hi All, As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart. Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but, I insisted. in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely support my decision. There?s always next year, right? I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon May 31 10:17:58 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 09:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: <3FF0C157-148D-4D6D-8EAC-6FC44CD9B3D9@stottarchitecture.com> References: <3FF0C157-148D-4D6D-8EAC-6FC44CD9B3D9@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hey Roger, I went through a similar problem about 10 years ago. I did make the mistake of wanting to stay awake to watch. It was a bit uncomfortable but interesting to watch. 10 years later I?m doing fine. You can anticipate plenty of more miles under the keel. Keep us posted. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 7:31 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Roger > In the years leading to 2008 I had a particularly stubborn A-fib issue > that did not respond to any of the beta-blocker treatments available at the > time. It caused some problems with my bi-lateral hip replacement and the > surgery was stopped before it started because the anesthesiologist didn?t > like my rhythm, my heart was playing the conga. Finally got the hips done > but one of them failed and needed to be revised a year later. They would > not fix the hip until my heart was behaving. > The first ablation had the desired effect until I got the flu a month > later. That caused a different kind of atrial flutter that I thought would > be the end of me. A 2nd cardiac ablation, which was kind of rare at the > time cured the A-fib and I?ve never had it again. > I have a number of warranty replacement parts and repairs but still able > to keep going. > Dadventure should have been launched already but I moved both my office > and home in the past two months, as usual, mostly single-handed. > Although rhumatoid arthritis has slowed me down and made me grunt and > groan, there are drugs for that too. > Like my ?86 Rhodes, I need replacement parts and repairs from time to > time, but with proper care and maintenance, have years of high performance > practical use left. > Unfortunately there is no ROC membership for life, and total makeovers are > not available yet. > > I have faith you will take your trip next year and many more years after > that. > Best to you in health and healing. Pun intended. > Ric Stott > sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > > > Sent fromiPhone > > > On May 31, 2021, at 7:11 AM, Steven Alm wrote: > > > > ?Roger, my dad had a heart attack and a complicated surgery 26 years ago > and > > just yesterday celebrated his 93rd birthday and is going strong! The > > advances they?ve made since then are truly amazing. Best of luck with > your > > procedure and speedy recovery. Keeping you my thoughts. > > > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to > go on > >> many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes > for > >> a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the > issue > >> so you can get back in adventure shape soon! > >> > >> By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at > Treasure > >> Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes > >> through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out > and we > >> had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start to > the > >> class! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to > >> take > >>> a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > >>> 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. > >> We > >>> were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea > >> kayaks > >>> in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be > >> used > >>> to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > >>> uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going > to > >>> back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > >>> Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We > >> do > >>> something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > >>> archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in > >> the > >>> middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > >>> > >>> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard > >> on > >>> my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > >>> better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia > (rapid > >>> heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > >>> isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 > day > >>> stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook > me > >> up > >>> to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try > to > >>> establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without > >> stopping > >>> my heart. > >>> > >>> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > >>> Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. > >> This > >>> is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an > incision > >> in > >>> the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein > >> in > >>> the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. > >> They > >>> also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > >>> bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you > are > >>> lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the > >> surgical > >>> team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe > is > >>> inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for > >> any > >>> congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve > >> problems, > >>> plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and > even > >>> malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > >>> they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > >>> beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like > overhauling > >>> your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they > can > >>> fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > >>> would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 > day > >>> in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which > is > >> a > >>> similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe > causing > >>> them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, > in a > >>> nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > >>> what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested > >> in > >>> order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical > >> insurance > >>> to approve this; but, I insisted. > >>> > >>> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a > remote > >>> area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my > sea > >>> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not > >> confident > >>> in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be > >> summoned > >>> at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July > off. > >>> If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less > strenuous > >>> and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they > >> completely > >>> support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > >>> > >>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I > >> had > >>> a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into > the > >>> hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > >>> > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> > >>> > >> > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon May 31 12:09:05 2021 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 12:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: <3FF0C157-148D-4D6D-8EAC-6FC44CD9B3D9@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Like Chris, I was awake for 3 stents and a ream out. Most interesting if you can be awake. However, the nurse jokes about my junk being exposed, while well intentioned, didn't work that well for me. We're rooting for you, Rick Lange On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 10:18 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Roger, > I went through a similar problem about 10 years ago. I did make the mistake > of wanting to stay awake to watch. It was a bit uncomfortable but > interesting to watch. 10 years later I?m doing fine. You can anticipate > plenty of more miles under the keel. Keep us posted. > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 7:31 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Roger > > In the years leading to 2008 I had a particularly stubborn A-fib issue > > that did not respond to any of the beta-blocker treatments available at > the > > time. It caused some problems with my bi-lateral hip replacement and the > > surgery was stopped before it started because the anesthesiologist > didn?t > > like my rhythm, my heart was playing the conga. Finally got the hips > done > > but one of them failed and needed to be revised a year later. They would > > not fix the hip until my heart was behaving. > > The first ablation had the desired effect until I got the flu a month > > later. That caused a different kind of atrial flutter that I thought > would > > be the end of me. A 2nd cardiac ablation, which was kind of rare at the > > time cured the A-fib and I?ve never had it again. > > I have a number of warranty replacement parts and repairs but still able > > to keep going. > > Dadventure should have been launched already but I moved both my office > > and home in the past two months, as usual, mostly single-handed. > > Although rhumatoid arthritis has slowed me down and made me grunt and > > groan, there are drugs for that too. > > Like my ?86 Rhodes, I need replacement parts and repairs from time to > > time, but with proper care and maintenance, have years of high > performance > > practical use left. > > Unfortunately there is no ROC membership for life, and total makeovers > are > > not available yet. > > > > I have faith you will take your trip next year and many more years after > > that. > > Best to you in health and healing. Pun intended. > > Ric Stott > > sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > > > > > Sent fromiPhone > > > > > On May 31, 2021, at 7:11 AM, Steven Alm wrote: > > > > > > ?Roger, my dad had a heart attack and a complicated surgery 26 years > ago > > and > > > just yesterday celebrated his 93rd birthday and is going strong! The > > > advances they?ve made since then are truly amazing. Best of luck with > > your > > > procedure and speedy recovery. Keeping you my thoughts. > > > > > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Roger, so sorry to hear about the health issues. You've continued to > > go on > > >> many adventures that others would not take on at any age. Best wishes > > for > > >> a smooth procedure. Hopefully the doctors can find and address the > > issue > > >> so you can get back in adventure shape soon! > > >> > > >> By the way, I'm sending this from a Fountaine Pajot 35 docked at > > Treasure > > >> Island in San Francisco Bay where we're taking a few sailing classes > > >> through Afterguard Sailing Academy. Yesterday was the first day out > > and we > > >> had sustained 35 knot winds for over an hour. It was a lively start > to > > the > > >> class! > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > >> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:46 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi All, > > >>> > > >>> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to > > >> take > > >>> a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in > July, > > >>> 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking > trip. > > >> We > > >>> were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea > > >> kayaks > > >>> in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be > > >> used > > >>> to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > > >>> uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were > going > > to > > >>> back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These > High > > >>> Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. > We > > >> do > > >>> something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > > >>> archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island > in > > >> the > > >>> middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > >>> > > >>> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working > hard > > >> on > > >>> my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > > >>> better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia > > (rapid > > >>> heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, > Metoprolol, > > >>> isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 > > day > > >>> stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook > > me > > >> up > > >>> to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try > > to > > >>> establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without > > >> stopping > > >>> my heart. > > >>> > > >>> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive > Procedures > > >>> Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. > > >> This > > >>> is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an > > incision > > >> in > > >>> the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large > vein > > >> in > > >>> the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. > > >> They > > >>> also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > > >>> bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you > > are > > >>> lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the > > >> surgical > > >>> team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their > probe > > is > > >>> inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search > for > > >> any > > >>> congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve > > >> problems, > > >>> plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and > > even > > >>> malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor > which > > >>> they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as > it > > >>> beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like > > overhauling > > >>> your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they > > can > > >>> fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, > which > > >>> would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 > > day > > >>> in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which > > is > > >> a > > >>> similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe > > causing > > >>> them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, > > in a > > >>> nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure > out > > >>> what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I > requested > > >> in > > >>> order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical > > >> insurance > > >>> to approve this; but, I insisted. > > >>> > > >>> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a > > remote > > >>> area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my > > sea > > >>> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not > > >> confident > > >>> in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be > > >> summoned > > >>> at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July > > off. > > >>> If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less > > strenuous > > >>> and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they > > >> completely > > >>> support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > >>> > > >>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. > I > > >> had > > >>> a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into > > the > > >>> hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > >>> > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sent from Mail for > > >>> Windows 10 > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon May 31 14:25:14 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 14:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, I'm praying for your improved health and strong recovery. Todd Tavares tavares0947 at gmail.com On Sun, May 30, 2021, 1:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take > a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, > 2021. This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip. We > were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks > in order to cover the miles between islands. The sea kayaks would be used > to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many > uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago. We were going to > back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands. These High > Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years. We do > something different every year. There is an article in the Rhodes 22 > archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the > middle of Lake Michigan many years ago. > > I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on > my cardiac rehab. Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting > better. I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid > heat beat). Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, > isn?t working for me anymore. So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day > stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital. They are going to hook me up > to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn. They will try to > establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping > my heart. > > Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures > Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure. This > is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in > the right groin. They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in > the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart. They > also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the > bronchial tubes split off to each lung. On the operating table, you are > lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate. This gives the surgical > team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is > inside the heart. Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any > congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, > plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even > malignant tumors. The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which > they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it > beats. Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling > your car engine while it?s in the car and running! Some issues they can > fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which > would have to be scheduled in the future. This is supposed to be a 1 day > in & out procedure. But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a > similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing > them to keep me overnight. I was coughing up blood for a week! So, in a > nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out > what?s wrong with me. It will be a different doctor, which I requested in > order to get a second opinion. It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance > to approve this; but, I insisted. > > in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote > area like the Apostle Islands. I would need to be able to paddle my sea > kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident > in my ability to do that. Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned > at all, would be hours away. We all still have those days in July off. > If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous > and closer to home. Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely > support my decision. There?s always next year, right? > > I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend. I had > a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the > hospital next Tuesday. Stay tuned. Please keep me in your prayers. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From daysails at aol.com Mon May 31 23:31:18 2021 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 03:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <394536509.1448577.1622518278642@mail.yahoo.com> Hey Roger,I want to add my best wishes that this all becomes a story ?to dine out on? very soon. ?I look forward to your reading your next adventure episode.Joe RileySecond WindLake Hartwell?>>