[Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Wed May 19 17:05:30 EDT 2021
Roger,
Maybe we should work on a "back-on" trailer. In that case, the engine will add to the tongue weight. ;-)
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I’d rather be sailing :~)
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 5:02 PM
To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Fwd: Trailer
Hi All,
When I look at all the boats going down the road with their outboards firmly clamped onto their transoms, I find the notion that we have to remove our outboard to be pretty outrageous! What a ridiculous work around - fix the underlying problem. Nobody expects a boat the size of an R-22 to not have an engine. Manhandling that engine on and off the mount every time is not an acceptable solution for me. Sometimes, I’m simply stunned by what people will put up with.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 19, 2021, at 4:16 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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> If anyone has a Triad trailer and would like to chime in.
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>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Date: May 19, 2021 at 12:19:39 PM EDT
>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
>>
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>> Hello Tom,
>>
>> Thank for the note. Honestly, you’re the first person that has told me about a tongue weight issue with the trailer. Jesse Shumaker said below “ I'm still a novice when it comes to towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my 2011 Triad single axle trailer”
>> I’m not sure how much your motor weighs however, what ever that weight is, it’s stealing it from the trailer tongue. I didn’t see anyone below speak of lack of tongue weight, just that they added a 2nd axle.
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>> I read the notes below. I’m not sure what you’d like me to comment on. It is true that if you place the center of the 2 axle where the center of a single axle trailer is you will get the same tongue weight. The person that simply added a 2nd axle, without repositioning the 1st axle, has now moved the center of effort from the center of the front axle to the center of the two axles. This would have pushed the center of gravity of the two axle back around 17 inches. That is a huge difference in axle position, and I imagine they have an excess amount of tongue weight.
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>> Perhaps I’ve missed something below. If I have, please let me know.
>> Thank you, Mike Orro
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Mike Orro
>> Triad Trailers LLC
>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>> Raleigh NC 27617
>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com
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>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:02 AM
>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Subject: Fwd: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
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>> Mike,
>> A lot of Rhodes owners seem to be having the same problems I am. Care to weigh in?
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>> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> Date: May 19, 2021 at 9:33:13 AM EDT
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>> Roger:
>> A technical question about adding an axel: I can see how moving the front axle forward so that the existing pivot point is midway between the axles would maintain the existing pivot point. However, you say that adding an axle to the trailer without moving the first axle would "move the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels". Is not adding the second axle and wheels also adding weight behind the pivot point thereby reducing the weight on the tongue? I am wondering how one would calculate where the new pivot point is in this scenario.
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>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
>>
>> Slim,
>>
>> So, your shop effectively moved the pitch radius from the original center of the single axle back to ~ halfway between the centers of the tandem wheels. This will increase the tongue weight, fortunately in your case not enough to be dangerous. I bet if you were to measure the tire loading, you would find your two front wheels are carrying considerable more load vs. the two back wheels. Again, as long as you don’t exceed the tire load rating, this is not dangerous. Have you noticed more tread wear on the front tires vs. the rear tires? My four tires wear pretty evenly and I don’t rotate them or anything like that. In fact, I tend to have to replace trailer tires most often due to cracking in the sidewalls due to oxygen and UV exposure after several years. I have had a blowout and a steel wheel failure on my boat trailer in the 34 years I’ve owned it. In both cases, I was extremely glad I had a tandem axle trailer!
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>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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>> From: Steven Alm<mailto:stevenalm at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:37 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Trailer
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>> When I added the second axle to my trailer I did not reposition the
>> first axle. The second one was put on behind it. I did not do this
>> work myself. I checked with several shops in my area until I found
>> one who I felt would do it right. They also fabricated new fenders
>> over the wheels — single long fenders covering both wheels. I don’t
>> know what the tongue weight is but it weighs down the back of the
>> vehicle about two inches, so at least a couple hundred pounds,
>> probably more. They added electric breaks to the front wheels and
>> installed the controller up next to the steering column. In the last
>> 25 years I’ve owned four different tow vehicles ranging from a 3/4
>> ton Ford E250 to a 6 cylinder Toyota 4Runner. All towed it fine without any issues.
>>
>> Slim
>> Fandango
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>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I leave my Tohatsu 9.8 motor on the transom while trailering because
>> it is heavy. However, I take my rudder off and put that in the
>> v-berth since that helps put more weight forward and takes stress off
>> the transom. I help support my motor with 3 separate straps that hang off the stern rail.
>>
>> My most recent process is to remove the tiller and connector to the
>> motor so it's easy to handle the components rather than the whole
>> assembly. I had a cover made for the rudder so it's easy to maneuver
>> through the cabin without scraping anything. The cover is made such
>> that I can put on and take it off while the rudder is mounted on the boat.
>>
>> The ramp at the lake where I sail is quite gradual so it's easy to
>> get the boat far enough forward. I'm still a novice when it comes to
>> towing but haven't had any issues when towing around 60 MPH on my
>> 2011 Triad single axle trailer.
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:10 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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>> I have very little weight on my hitch and inquired to Triad trailer with
>> the response that I needed to remove motor. Has anyone else had this
>> problem and resolved without having to take motor off?
>>
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Date: April 28, 2021 at 3:16:51 PM EDT
>> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> Subject: RE: Polise trailer
>>
>>
>> Hello Mr. Polise,
>>
>> Thank you for this information and for the measurements. According to
>> the measurements, the trailer is built correctly. I’ve attached a
>> photograph of a Rhodes 22 sitting on her Triad Trailer. The boats
>> appear
>> to be loaded in the same spot. It looks like you have a motor
>> hanging off the back of the boat. Do you? If so, that motor needs
>> to be loaded in the
>> boat as far forward as possible. Other than this, I’m not sure what’s
>> going on. I’m surprised they can’t move the boat a bit more forward
>> on the trailer.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Mike Orro
>> Triad Trailers LLC
>> 5831 Triangle Drive
>> Raleigh NC 27617
>> Phone: 919.782.6007
>> Fax: 919.782.6009
>> email: Mike at TriadTrailers.com
>> Web: www.TriadTrailers.com<http://www.TriadTrailers.com>
>>
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>> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:13 PM
>> To: Michael Orro <mike at triadtrailers.com>
>> Subject: Polise trailer
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