[Rhodes22-list] Trailer

[Mike Riter]

I can't be the only one who thought Lee's joke was funny!

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 4:36 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Actually, the little stove I take on my boat is butane-powered, with
> cannisters.  Works quite well.
>
> Frank
>
> > On May 23, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Obviously wasn't my best joke.  Butane is lighter fluid, as in cigarette
> > lighter fluid. :)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 23, 2021, 3:10 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Sea water is 8.55 lbs/gal, or about 2% more dense than fresh water.
> >>
> >> All the hydrocarbon liquids are about 10% less dense than fresh water.
> >> But, keep in mind that many of the commonly used fuel gases are vapors
> at
> >> room temperature:
> >> Boiling Point @ Sea Level (deg F)
> >> Methane: -259
> >> Ethane: -128
> >> Propane: -44
> >> Isobutane: 11
> >> n-Butane: 31
> >>
> >> All of these materials come from natural gas, which is mostly methane.
> >> The higher molecular weight hydrocarbons are naturally present in
> varying
> >> amounts depending on the natural gas field.  They are more valuable than
> >> methane and are usually separated out prior to the methane being sent
> down
> >> the natural gas pipeline.
> >>
> >> Note that n-butane is barely a vapor at room temperature.  For this
> >> reason, it is not considered a very good stove fuel.  n-Butane is much
> more
> >> valuable as a petrochemical feedstock.  The 1 lb propane cylinders sold
> in
> >> hardware stores contain nearly pure propane (98+ %wt).  But, because
> >> propane boils at -44 deg F, the cylinder it is sold in is actually a
> steel
> >> pressure vessel.  This cylinder adds more weight than was saved by using
> >> the less dense fuel.  The disposable gas cylinders commonly sold for
> >> camping stoves typically contain 80%wt propane and 20%wt isobutane so
> the
> >> stove will operate in cold temperatures.  However, because isobutane and
> >> n-butane are chemically similar, they are very difficult to separate.
> For
> >> this reason, commercial grade isobutane can typically contain 2-6%wt
> >> n-butane as a contaminant.  Low grade camp stove fuel tends to contain
> more
> >> n-butane and may not work in your stove on a cold morning.  This camp
> stove
> >> fuel must be sold in a steel pressure vessel, also reducing the weight
> >> savings.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> >> Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:24 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
> >>
> >> Fresh water and salt water are different.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 23, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Lee,
> >>> A gallon of water will weigh more.  Looks like butane is around 5
> pounds
> >> per gallon. - rob
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:58 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
> >>>
> >>> Rob,
> >>>
> >>> But what weighs more?  A gallon of water or a gallon of butane?
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021, 9:44 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Water is 8.34 pounds per gallon. - Rob
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Lee
> >>>> Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 5:33 PM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
> >>>>
> >>>> Oops!  Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> But how much does a gallon of water weigh?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 5:25 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Lee,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please check your math. The tongue weight should be 10% of 5,000 lbs.
> >> or
> >>>>> 500
> >>>>> lbs., not 50 lbs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Lee
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 4:44 PM
> >>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've never trailered anything before so I checked with the archives,
> >> the
> >>>>> Internet, and Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks like:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 17-inch coupling height
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2-inch ball
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4-prong electrical connection
> >>>>>
> >>>>> safety chains (do those come with the trailer?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 10 to 15% tongue weight which would be 50 to 75 pounds with a 5,000
> >> pound
> >>>>> boat/trailer.  Stan feels more comfortable with 100 pound tongue
> >>>> weight.  I
> >>>>> don't believe everything I read on the Internet so I'll go with
> Stan's
> >>>>> recommendation.  Apparently too little tongue weight and your trailer
> >>>> will
> >>>>> fishtail and too much tongue weight will overload your rear tires and
> >>>> could
> >>>>> create a variety of handling and braking issues.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lee
> >>>>> Soon to have a 1999 Rhodes22
> >>>>> Claytor Lake, VA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>