[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Wed Oct 20 17:11:19 EDT 2021

Tom,

I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> F...
> 
> Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any resource
> that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something has
> covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some "super
> special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service doesn't?”
> I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd up.
> Pardon my french.
> 
> 
> I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me... And I
> try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
> expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> 
> Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> 
> I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> exposure to them.
> 
> Meltzer knows... Lol
> Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> 
> I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> 
> Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.
>> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or even
>> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
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>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> 
>> Ooooof...
>> 
>> 1. I silently paid and left.
>> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
>> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
>> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?
>> 
>> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
>> Michigan. Not every year.
>> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
>> messed it up?
>> 
>> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
>> by the buffing?
>> 
>> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
>> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
>> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> 
>>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>>> 
>>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
>>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
>> their
>>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to worry about
>> osmotic
>>> blisters!
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
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>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>>> 
>>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>>> 
>>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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