From mitchpadl at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 21:32:21 2021 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 21:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] OC Rhodes Message-ID: <45F9509D-CF7B-457C-AC55-5740712AF501@gmail.com> Wondering if anyone knows the owner of this nice looking R22 I saw in north Ocean City, Maryland today? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 131752 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From bmg18 at me.com Thu Sep 2 18:27:40 2021 From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 18:27:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motor mount vibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, I have a Yamaha 9.9 with a Yamaha remote control set up similar to what I understand is Roger?s. My prior R22 had the manual motor lift and I had no problem with clearances. My current boat has the electric lift with the motor tiller connection which works fine except the wiring from the throttle to the motor prevents the motor from turning properly so I have just disconnected it. The mechanics always complain about the tight turns required of the cables but they work. Without the tiller motor connection the lift and throttle work fine. I have vibration but it comes from the hardware on the electric winch in the transom which I have tried to cushion but not with a lot of success. Bruce Greenwald S/V Ruach Shelter Island NY > On Aug 31, 2021, at 3:33 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Jeff, > > Fortunately, the throttle and shifter on my Honda 8hp Extra long shaft outboard are separate. I?m using a Honda 9.9 hp remote control mounted on the port side gunnel. The Honda remote control is a single lever shifter + throttle with a separate warm-up throttle lever. If it?s necessary, I still have to operate the choke at the engine. In the attached photo, you can see the single engine control lever sticking up above the port side gunnel. The lever is inside of it?s blue UV protective sock. Note how the throttle and shifter cables have a spiral bend in them. This enables them to accommodate the vertical, side to side, and tilting motions of the motor mount and engine itself. I can only tilt the motor up to the 2nd detent. But, when the motor mount is fully raised, the 2nd tilt detent allows the lower unit to clear the water unless the port rail is in the water. i.e. 99+ % of the time. & remember, I have an extra long shaft engine. > > You have to try having the engine remote controls in your left hand and the tiller in your right hand while you stand at the helm station to appreciate how nice this setup is for close quarter?s maneuvering and docking! Your visibility is great, you have total engine throttle/engine shift/rudder steering control, you can pass dock lines to/from the boat, and you have access to the engine?s tiller if you need to do something fancy with the engine?s thrust. > > The GBI motor mount puts the engine cowling at about the normal distance from the transom. The Honda Engine/Remote Unit works just fine. It?s hard to believe a Yamaha outboard couldn?t be made to work. I would get a 2nd opinion. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D79E7D.8281BC40] > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Jeff Smith Photo > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:19 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motor mount vibration > > The local Yamaha Dealer said they could not install remote controls on my > Yamaha T8ELH because the motor was too close to the transom. I'm still > trying to get used to operating the throttle and shifter towards the end > of my second season. > I would love to dismount the motor for long trailering in order to add to > the tongue weight, but it is too much of a pain to do so. I will carry my > uninflated dinghy in the V berth (whether I end up inflating it or not) to > increase tongue weight. > The noise of the motor annoyed me so I installed a double layer of KILMAT > on the inside of the cowl, but an iPhone decibel meter didn't show much > difference. I still have a bunch left, if someone wants to stop by or pay > postage. > Whe WM transom matt has poor reviews, so I looked on McMaster-Carr and saw > these choices. > < > https://www.mcmaster.com/rubber/rubber/multipurpose-neoprene-rubber-sheets-and-strips/ >> > McMaster is a great resource for DIY-ers. > Best regards, > Jeff Smith > w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > Cell: 732-236-1368 > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 690C3CE697E44A38A943326774C58538.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 195397 bytes > Desc: 690C3CE697E44A38A943326774C58538.jpg > URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 07:56:04 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 14:56:04 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Message-ID: Attached is an "ad" I have been sending out to people who were interested in buying Enosis. A lot were people in various groups who requested a bit more information. So the "ad" just provides the basics. If they are still interested then I can send them all the specifications. Anyway it has a good picture Alice took just before lunch at the entrance to the old Rhodes harbor here in Greece. What follows niex has probably never been written before in its entirety. It is all true and factual. I am a homophonephile. I rowed my Rhodes into Rhodes roads, where we anchored on 3 strand rode, and where we road out the Meltemi. (grin) or groan. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: For Sale in Rhodes Greece.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 3266574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 08:54:54 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 07:54:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great photo! To continue your theme, I'm hitting the road tomorrow to go to Milford where I hope to meet up with your son Nick. Perhaps we'll have a couple of Rhodes on rodes on the lake. Looking forward to hearing more about your current adventures! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:56 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Attached is an "ad" I have been sending out to people who were interested > in buying Enosis. A lot were people in various groups who requested a bit > more information. So the "ad" just provides the basics. If they are still > interested then I can send them all the specifications. Anyway it has a > good picture Alice took just before lunch at the entrance to the old Rhodes > harbor here in Greece. What follows niex has probably never been written > before in its entirety. It is all true and factual. I am a homophonephile. > I rowed my Rhodes into Rhodes roads, where we anchored on 3 strand rode, > and where we road out the Meltemi. (grin) or groan. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: For Sale in Rhodes Greece.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 3266574 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210903/c1f5b9f8/attachment.pdf > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 10:47:37 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 17:47:37 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Send pictures! On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:55 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Great photo! To continue your theme, I'm hitting the road tomorrow to go > to Milford where I hope to meet up with your son Nick. Perhaps we'll have > a couple of Rhodes on rodes on the lake. Looking forward to hearing more > about your current adventures! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:56 AM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Attached is an "ad" I have been sending out to people who were interested > > in buying Enosis. A lot were people in various groups who requested a > bit > > more information. So the "ad" just provides the basics. If they are > still > > interested then I can send them all the specifications. Anyway it has a > > good picture Alice took just before lunch at the entrance to the old > Rhodes > > harbor here in Greece. What follows niex has probably never been written > > before in its entirety. It is all true and factual. I am a > homophonephile. > > I rowed my Rhodes into Rhodes roads, where we anchored on 3 strand rode, > > and where we road out the Meltemi. (grin) or groan. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: For Sale in Rhodes Greece.pdf > > Type: application/pdf > > Size: 3266574 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210903/c1f5b9f8/attachment.pdf > > > > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 12:08:38 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 11:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard motor handling In-Reply-To: <2132879089.244604.1630411496908@connect.xfinity.com> References: <2132879089.244604.1630411496908@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I used a 10? 4X4 as a lever and a step ladder as the fulcrum. I rigged up a block and tackle to hoist the motor off the transom, pivoted over and lowered to the stand I made with 2X4s. Used a two wheel hand truck to move it around on the stand. My wife helped by rotating the motor to the right position to lower the clamps on the stand ? and the reverse to put it back on the boat ? but the rig took all the weight. Thank you Archimedes! On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 7:05 AM WILLIAM MORRIS wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lever2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 171383 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lever1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 145952 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 4 15:19:52 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:19:52 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard motor handling Message-ID: Ah, physics. And much less expensive than a tractor and front end loader. ?Peter > On 2021-09-04, at 12:08:38 EDT, Steven Alm wrote: > > I used a 10? 4X4 as a lever and a step ladder as the fulcrum. I rigged up a > block and tackle to hoist the motor off the transom, pivoted over and lowered to > the stand I made with 2X4s. Used a two wheel hand truck to move it around on the > stand. > > My wife helped by rotating the motor to the right position to lower the clamps > on the stand ? and the reverse to put it back on the boat ? but the rig took all > the weight. Thank you Archimedes! > > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210904/c113ac0d/attachment.jpeg" > target="_blank">Lever2.jpeg > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210904/c113ac0d/attachment-0001.jpeg" > target="_blank">Lever1.jpeg > From bmg18 at me.com Mon Sep 6 13:22:28 2021 From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 13:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer winch Message-ID: <8F5ECB3F-8DCC-4BD3-897B-CA2A208C8DAF@me.com> My winch strap has failed near the end with the hook - not sure what happened - maybe just exposure. I have been using the trailer for the last few years to just move the boat around the boatyard. I?m not sure the winch itself needs replacing - it has a lot of rust but seems solid and is functioning ok. Can someone provide the specs for the winch strap - I have no idea how they are sized/rated and, in the event I decide to replace the winch itself, the specs for the winch? I have written Triad but no response so far. Bruce Greenwald S/V Ruach Shelter Island NY From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 16:11:33 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 16:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer winch Message-ID: <004930AD-B5DF-49F3-A25D-AA6509FA06BB@gmail.com> ?I?m not sure about the specs, but here?s a relevant article from the current issue of BoatUS magazine. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have written Triad but no response so far. > > Bruce Greenwald > S/V Ruach > Shelter Island NY From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Sep 6 16:28:23 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer winch Message-ID: My strap failed near the hook the last time I pulled the boat out of the water. Based on the faded color of the exposed portion of the strap, my guess is degradation due to UV exposure. There was 20' of strap on the drum, but I never use more than a few feet. I cut off the section that showed any sign of faded color (12 - 18"), and my wife sewed a new loop on the end for the hook. Good as new. You can find replacement straps at Defender (search for 'winch strap'). Several choices, $17 - $22. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2021-09-06, at 13:22:28 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote: > > My winch strap has failed near the end with the hook - not sure what happened - > maybe just exposure. I have been using the trailer for the last few years to > just move the boat around the boatyard. I?m not sure the winch itself needs > replacing - it has a lot of rust but seems solid and is functioning ok. Can > someone provide the specs for the winch strap - I have no idea how they are > sized/rated and, in the event I decide to replace the winch itself, the specs > for the winch? I have written Triad but no response so far. > > Bruce Greenwald > S/V Ruach > Shelter Island NY > From bmg18 at me.com Mon Sep 6 17:17:58 2021 From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 17:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer winch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter. any special equipment, thread or technique involved in resewing the strap? Bruce Greenwald S/V Ruach Shelter Island NY > On Sep 6, 2021, at 4:28 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > My strap failed near the hook the last time I pulled the boat out of the water. Based on the faded color of the exposed portion of the strap, my guess is degradation due to UV exposure. There was 20' of strap on the drum, but I never use more than a few feet. I cut off the section that showed any sign of faded color (12 - 18"), and my wife sewed a new loop on the end for the hook. Good as new. > > You can find replacement straps at Defender (search for 'winch strap'). Several choices, $17 - $22. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On 2021-09-06, at 13:22:28 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote: >> >> My winch strap has failed near the end with the hook - not sure what happened - >> maybe just exposure. I have been using the trailer for the last few years to >> just move the boat around the boatyard. I?m not sure the winch itself needs >> replacing - it has a lot of rust but seems solid and is functioning ok. Can >> someone provide the specs for the winch strap - I have no idea how they are >> sized/rated and, in the event I decide to replace the winch itself, the specs >> for the winch? I have written Triad but no response so far. >> >> Bruce Greenwald >> S/V Ruach >> Shelter Island NY >> > From lpagliaro at me.com Mon Sep 6 20:43:17 2021 From: lpagliaro at me.com (Lynn Pagliaro) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Repair Parts Source Message-ID: I need advice on current options for Rhodes 22 repair parts. Thanks for any info. Lynn Lynn Pagliaro lpagliaro at me.com 843-209-8247 From tavares0947 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 07:04:36 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 07:04:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Repair Parts Source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lynn, The factory has a customer loyalty program where owners or holders of a Rhodes Owner's Certificate can get parts. If you do not have one of these certificates, you may possibly get parts when supplies permit, but you'll pay a premium price. Many parts are unique and unavailable from the usual marine supply outlets. You could call General Boats and inquire about the loyalty program, but be prepared for a shock if you did not purchase your boat from the factory or get a loyalty certificate from the secondhand seller. Other than that, post your needs here on "da list" and you'll get lots of help and suggestions from other owners. Todd T. On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 8:43 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I need advice on current options for Rhodes 22 repair parts. Thanks for > any info. > > Lynn > > Lynn Pagliaro > lpagliaro at me.com > 843-209-8247 From mark at whipplefamily.com Tue Sep 7 09:54:45 2021 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Repair Parts Source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lynn, It really depends on the parts you need. I'd encourage you to try to source your parts from marine suppliers like Defender.com whenever possible or look for a used marine parts store near you. Those of us who have been to the General Boats plant in recent months have seen that things are moving much more slowly there than in the past. Stan is in his 90's and he does his best but he doesn't have enough help. I paid for the Rhodes Owner's Certificate and all I'll say is even with the ROC you'll need to have lots of patience when purchasing parts from GB. FYI Stan is more likely to respond to email than phone calls. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *Sold!* On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 8:43 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I need advice on current options for Rhodes 22 repair parts. Thanks for > any info. > > Lynn > > Lynn Pagliaro > lpagliaro at me.com > 843-209-8247 From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 7 14:28:09 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 11:28:09 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer winch Message-ID: Nothing special according to my wife, just lots and lots of stitching. --Peter > On 2021-09-06, at 17:17:58 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote: > > Thanks Peter. any special equipment, thread or technique involved in resewing > the strap? > > Bruce Greenwald > S/V Ruach > Shelter Island NY > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve even used Flex Tape along the full length to help seal the cables which get splashed just at the water line and seal all open ends with silicone before cinching down with nylon ties. What have others done both in routing and sealing the cables? Jay Friedland S/V Wanderlust ?97 Rhodes 22 Long Beach Island, NJ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 22:34:00 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 21:34:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trip to Milford Lake in Kansas, mini R22 meetup Message-ID: Hi everyone, my friend Nate and I used the long labor day weekend to take Zephyr down to Milford Lake in Kansas where we got to meet up with Nick Geankoplis. We had a great time and plan to meet up for future adventures. The trip and photos are documented in the attached PDF. That document also goes into some details about towing weights in case you are interested. Chris, thanks for getting me in touch with Nick! 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That > document also goes into some details about towing weights in case you are > interested. Chris, thanks for getting me in touch with Nick! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2021MilfordLake.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 1497418 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210908/722d8ac5/attachment.pdf > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 18:42:34 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 18:42:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Removing Mast from Boat Message-ID: Thanks Peter Nyberg for your video on pulling the IMF assembly from the mast resting on sawhorses. I will soon be removing my old ripped main and installing a new Doyle IMF main. My question to the group is how do you lower the mast from the boat on to the saw horses? Unfortunately, I don't have a John Deer with a front end loader... I can probably enlist a neighbor to help. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 23:05:10 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 23:05:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Removing Mast from Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The mast isn?t that heavy. Two people can easily carry it. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > > ?Thanks Peter Nyberg for your video on pulling the IMF assembly from the > mast resting on sawhorses. I will soon be removing my old ripped main and > installing a new Doyle IMF main. > My question to the group is how do you lower the mast from the boat on to > the saw horses? Unfortunately, I don't have a John Deer with a front end > loader... > I can probably enlist a neighbor to help. > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Fri Sep 10 08:50:10 2021 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:50:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Removing Mast from Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <348eab1e-a005-0935-c07a-a43133a850dc@atlanticbb.net> We were able to do it with just the two of us. I am short and not particularly strong so it can be done with two people. If I recall correctly (it was a number of years ago) we lowered the mast, set the bow end on the pulpit and then lifted the aft end out of the crutch and set it on the stern pulpit. We then set up two step ladders one each next to the bow and stern and then moved the mast to the top of the step ladders. I seem to remember one person having to hold the other end in place while moving it over or something similar. We were then able to move it from the top of the stepladders to the sawhorses. Take care and good luck. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 9/9/2021 6:42 PM, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > Thanks Peter Nyberg for your video on pulling the IMF assembly from the > mast resting on sawhorses. I will soon be removing my old ripped main and > installing a new Doyle IMF main. > My question to the group is how do you lower the mast from the boat on to > the saw horses? Unfortunately, I don't have a John Deer with a front end > loader... > I can probably enlist a neighbor to help. > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 09:30:49 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Removing Mast from Boat In-Reply-To: <348eab1e-a005-0935-c07a-a43133a850dc@atlanticbb.net> References: <348eab1e-a005-0935-c07a-a43133a850dc@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, I remove my sails to store inside each winter and have adjusted the technique that I use over the last couple of years to make it a bit easier than my initial process. I used to get a couple of friends to help me lift the whole mast + jib furler to the ground but that was a handful. A couple of notes before getting into the steps: - My boat came with the mast raising system which is extremely helpful - My boat has the GB in-house jib furler so I have to take the furler down to remove the sail. I know other jib furlers allow you to raise or lower the sail while the mast is up. - The process I use doesn't remove the mast from the boat. Here's my current approach for removing sails at the end of the season: - Lower the mast so the top rests on the mast crutch attached to the stern rail - Unbolt the base of the mast and move the base of mast to bow pulpit where it attaches - Unpin the forestay at the top of the mast so the furler and jib can be removed separately and taken off the boat. I set this on the ground and will come back to it later. I find it easier to handle the mast or forestay separately rather than one big bundle. - Put a towel on the forepeak - Move the base of the mast so that it rests on the forepeak between the bow pulpit attachments. You can secure the base of the mast in this position by tying it down. At this point it is angled down and you can slide out the furling unit with the mast still on the boat. You'll need quite a bit of room in front of the boat for this step. - Set the IMF furling unit on the ground. - Now that both furling units are on the ground, you can unfurl and remove sails from this position and it doesn't stress the furling units. - When you're done, you can slide the mainsail furling unit back in the main and re-attach the jib furler. For your purposes, you could just leave the furling unit attached and move that along with the mast. I hope that helps. Good luck! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 7:50 AM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > We were able to do it with just the two of us. I am short and not > particularly strong so it can be done with two people. > > If I recall correctly (it was a number of years ago) we lowered the > mast, set the bow end on the pulpit and then lifted the aft end out of > the crutch and set it on the stern pulpit. > > We then set up two step ladders one each next to the bow and stern and > then moved the mast to the top of the step ladders. I seem to remember > one person having to hold the other end in place while moving it over or > something similar. > > We were then able to move it from the top of the stepladders to the > sawhorses. > > Take care and good luck. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > Rock Hall, MD > > On 9/9/2021 6:42 PM, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > > Thanks Peter Nyberg for your video on pulling the IMF assembly from the > > mast resting on sawhorses. I will soon be removing my old ripped main > and > > installing a new Doyle IMF main. > > My question to the group is how do you lower the mast from the boat on to > > the saw horses? Unfortunately, I don't have a John Deer with a front end > > loader... > > I can probably enlist a neighbor to help. > > > > Best Regards > > Jeff Smith > > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > > 732-236-1368 > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From lgioia at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 20:05:53 2021 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 crew shirt References: Message-ID: My daughters had this crew shirt made for me by Marley on etsy: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will go forward with a lot more confidence. Anyone have tips on bending on the new mainsail? Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From rehabmedicine at aol.com Sun Sep 12 14:23:54 2021 From: rehabmedicine at aol.com (rehabmedicine) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 18:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furling system References: <1829684908.738484.1631471034173.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1829684908.738484.1631471034173@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I?m new to the Rhodes group as I just recently purchased a 2010 Rhodes 22. According to Stan, I have a CDI furling system. I pulled down my new 135 jib in prep for Hurricane Henri and I now can?t get it back up. It appears that the (very short) halyard is on the opposite side from the jib track and I can?t get the jib all the way up. Anyone have experience with the CDI system and can walk me through how to raise the jib. Thanks, Craig Rs/v Ramblin? Rose From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sun Sep 12 19:19:55 2021 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furling system In-Reply-To: <1829684908.738484.1631471034173@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1829684908.738484.1631471034173.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1829684908.738484.1631471034173@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19ee51d1-dc18-5737-1728-a2d681f1464d@atlanticbb.net> This might be helpful. It's on the Rhodes owners website. http://www.rhodes22.org/documents/CDI-FlexibleFurlerModel2-Manual.pdf It's also on the CDI website. http://www.sailcdi.com/flexiblefurlers Good luck. Maybe one of the owners who have that unit will chime in. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 On 9/12/2021 2:23 PM, rehabmedicine via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Hi all, I?m new to the Rhodes group as I just recently purchased a 2010 Rhodes 22. According to Stan, I have a CDI furling system. I pulled down my new 135 jib in prep for Hurricane Henri and I now can?t get it back up. It appears that the (very short) halyard is on the opposite side from the jib track and I can?t get the jib all the way up. Anyone have experience with the CDI system and can walk me through how to raise the jib. Thanks, > Craig Rs/v Ramblin? Rose -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mark at whipplefamily.com Mon Sep 13 10:36:26 2021 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Apparel In-Reply-To: <00e401d79ac0$abea3410$03be9c30$@hughes.net> References: <00e401d79ac0$abea3410$03be9c30$@hughes.net> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I'm a little late to the game, but I'd take a navy XXL polo (65/35) and a navy hat (without the stitching on the back). Once you have the minimum order, let me know how best to submit payment. Mark On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 5:23 PM Joe Dempsey wrote: > ATTENTON ALL RHODIES! > > > > A while back there was talk of Rhodie Wear. I have been working with a shop > that will embroider Rhodes 22 designs on hats, shirts, etc. However, the > lady will only take full payment from a single source and doesn't ship > unlike the Burgee.com shop. We will have to place a minimum order of 10 > items at a time for her to produce what we want, which is not too > unreasonable. Payment will have to come to me via PayPal. The turnaround > time is pretty reasonable at one week or less plus shipping time which > should add about a week. It ain't Amazon, but we'll have a nice cap and > shirt. If the photos don't come through on the List email, I will resend > them as .jpg images. There is an order form at the bottom of this email. > Just complete and send in. Payment is by Pay Pal via a return invoice that > will be sent to you with payment instructions. Since these will be coming > into my primary email address, please type "RHODES 22 WEAR ORDER" in the > Subject line. > > > > Ball Caps: > > SHOW PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP OF THE CLASSIC RHODES 22 SLOOP. THE BALL CAP IS > MADE > OF COTTON FABRIC WITH ADJUSTABLE STRAP AND BUCKLE ON THE REAR. > > EMBROIDERED WITH THE RHODES 22 BURGEE AND TEXT "RHODES 22". > > AVAILABLE IN NAVY OR WHITE, ONE SIZE FITS ALL. > $23.00 Plus $10.00 shipping.* > > ADDITIONAL TEXT ON REAR AS SHOWN: ADD > $12.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Polo Shirts: > > CHOICE OF 65/35 5 oz. POLY/COTTON 3 BUTTON CLASSIC POLO SHIRT IN NAVY OR > WHITE. > > SIZES SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, X-LARGE OR XX-LARGE with RHODES 22 BURGEE LOGO > ON LEFT BREAST. > > $30.00 + SHIPPING > > 100% COTTON SHIRT AVAILABLE: ADD $4.00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ORDER VIA EMAIL: > > > > Subject: RHODES 22 WEAR > > TO: joedempsey at hughes.net > > > > > > Qty______ Ball Cap (s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) > @ $23.00 each > > > > INDICATE ADDITIONAL TEXT ON BALL CAP: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ if desired. > @ > $12.00 > > > > > > Qty______ POLY/COTTON Polo shirt(s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) Size > ______ > @ $30.00 each > > Small, > Medium, Large, X-Large, XX-Large > > > > Qty______ 100% COTTON Polo shirt(s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) Size > ______ > @ $34.00 each > > > > YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS:_________________________________________ > > > > > > You will receive an Invoice from PayPal to complete and make payment with a > credit card. > > Once payment is received by PayPal, your order will be completed and > shipped. Allow about 10 days. > > > > *Shipping is estimated around $10.00 and any reduction will be refunded to > your PayPal account. 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Last year I got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest. The video and photos came out well. We also have match racing on Santana 20s and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for that. The video has some great drone footage. I'm hoping my friend Shelby can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon. Video by Shelby https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc Photos from Saturday from Ken: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp=sharing Photos from Sunday from Lukas: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp=sharing Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 09:42:07 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:42:07 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A great sail in Boston Harbor In-Reply-To: References: <2B7F3D87-4024-43BE-81AE-D926E7F65023@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh that looks great! On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:20 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Looks fun, thanks for sharing! Will be curious to hear how the > modifications go if you proceed. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 6:20 PM Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > I just moved to Boston for the summer and asked Mark Whipple if I could > > see his boat (he?s got a Hoyt Boom that I?m thinking of adding to my > boat). > > Happily he said yes and we had a glorious day sailing in the Harbor. > That?s > > Mark doing a great job (Oh yes, his boat has a wheel too) > > Reuben > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1585.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 122798 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1589.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 93515 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1590.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 93335 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 09:52:22 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:52:22 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome! On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake. Last year I > got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on > the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest. The > video and photos came out well. We also have match racing on Santana 20s > and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for > that. The video has some great drone footage. I'm hoping my friend Shelby > can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon. > > Video by Shelby > https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc > > Photos from Saturday from Ken: > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp=sharing > > Photos from Sunday from Lukas: > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp=sharing > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 15:59:54 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? Best regards, Jeff JeffSmithPhoto.Net w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net Cell: 732-236-1368 Atlantic Highlands, NJ From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 16:06:52 2021 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They say that the board will guide the boat onto the trailer. In hauling it myself for 17 years I always loaded the boat onto the trailer with the board up and never had any issues with getting it centered on the trailer properly. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *Needham, MA* On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:00 PM Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? > Best regards, > Jeff > JeffSmithPhoto.Net > w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > Cell: 732-236-1368 > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 14 16:27:46 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f@Spark> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract??and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: > The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? > Best regards, > Jeff > JeffSmithPhoto.Net > w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > Cell: 732-236-1368 > Atlantic Highlands, NJ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Sep 14 16:48:18 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f@Spark> References: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f@Spark> Message-ID: <88FCDDAB-AD97-4E16-A920-D1F7D197ABDD@stottarchitecture.com> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. Ric Dadventure ?84 Continental HBNY Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > > You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. > On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >> Best regards, >> Jeff >> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >> Cell: 732-236-1368 >> Atlantic Highlands, NJ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 05:19:25 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 05:21:50 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa Message-ID: Great still and video coverage! Looks like a blast! Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 15 08:02:17 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:02:17 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, What if you installed a tongue mounted spare tire carrier like the attached image from West Marine? [cid:image002.png at 01D7AA07.FF2E0CE0] Then, you could move the boat all the way forward, have the weight of the spare tire as far forward on the tongue as possible, and not have to carry the spare in your tow vehicle, a weight distribution win/win! I have a spare tire carrier like this on my RIB?s trailer. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:19 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 3289A40160684D89AA87FA1178FE4147.png Type: image/png Size: 124258 bytes Desc: 3289A40160684D89AA87FA1178FE4147.png URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 15 08:31:07 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:31:07 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: <88FCDDAB-AD97-4E16-A920-D1F7D197ABDD@stottarchitecture.com> References: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f@Spark> <88FCDDAB-AD97-4E16-A920-D1F7D197ABDD@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hi All, The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Ric Stott Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. Ric Dadventure ?84 Continental HBNY Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > > You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. > On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >> Best regards, >> Jeff >> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >> Cell: 732-236-1368 >> Atlantic Highlands, NJ From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 14:53:19 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:53:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: <00c601d7aa62$f367c4e0$da374ea0$@gmail.com> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? _____ Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. From bobfcohen at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 17:21:29 2021 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002b01d7aa77$a718ced0$f54a6c70$@gmail.com> Jesse - Nice photos. It looked like fun. Bob Cohen Silver Bay -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:50 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake. Last year I got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest. The video and photos came out well. We also have match racing on Santana 20s and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for that. The video has some great drone footage. I'm hoping my friend Shelby can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon. Video by Shelby https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc Photos from Saturday from Ken: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp=sharing Photos from Sunday from Lukas: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp=sharing Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From bgarrant at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 19:06:36 2021 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:06:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff It sounds like you?re close to my neighborhood on the Chester. We?ll have to check that out. Bob Garrant Sail la Vie 2900/2017 Kent Island On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 5:19 AM Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! > Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up > for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my > other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the > boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last > time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I > could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as > possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Sep 16 06:33:32 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 03:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: Michael, I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. Peter > On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: > > The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum > (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 07:23:14 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Hi Roger, Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small price to pay. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368rh From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 16 08:14:19 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:14:19 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, Why do you have to remove the spare tire when using the tongue extension? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 7:23 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Hi Roger, Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small price to pay. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368rh From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 10:54:44 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A4D1C8-05C6-4CF6-9878-9008CAB01E93@gmail.com> The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some priceless info there. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Michael, > > I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. > > Peter > >> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum >> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 11:15:13 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? In-Reply-To: <41A4D1C8-05C6-4CF6-9878-9008CAB01E93@gmail.com> References: <41A4D1C8-05C6-4CF6-9878-9008CAB01E93@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael, You can also search the archives (through Google) on the new website that Peter built. http://rhodes22.org/ Todd T. On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:54 AM Michael McKay wrote: > The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some > priceless info there. > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > ?Michael, > > > > I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link > that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, > but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it > pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. > > > > Peter > > > >> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum > >> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? > >> > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 12:22:25 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:22:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of the vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer. That put it on the pin which keeps the tongue extension locked. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Sep 16 13:22:49 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Off-list question - Is General Boats still in business? Message-ID: <000c01d7ab1f$7a961130$6fc23390$@ebsmed.com> STAN, Are you there? Mike Scott needs a trailer. This was posted to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group webmaster email (see below). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: c.mike.scott at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:32 PM To: webmaster at rhodes22.org Subject: Message for the rhodes22.org webmaster Is the company, General Boats still in business? They don't answer my emails. I need a trailer for my Rhodes. From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 23:51:13 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> Roger, I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. > > All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. > I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. > Ric > Dadventure > ?84 Continental > HBNY > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>> Best regards, >>> Jeff >>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 17 08:11:13 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:11:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> References: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael, It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael McKay Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Roger, I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. > > All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. > I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. > Ric > Dadventure > ?84 Continental > HBNY > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>> Best regards, >>> Jeff >>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 17 08:31:18 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:31:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, I have the same Fulton spare tire mount that I sent you the picture of. It?s designed to be mounted either vertically or horizontally and strong enough; that, the spare tire doesn?t need to rest on anything. The spare tire on my RIB?s trailer ( 15 X 205-70 R tire + steel wheel ) has been hanging out on this Fulton spare tire mount with no other means of support since 2012. If you remove the constraint about the spare tire needing to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer, is there a place on your trailer?s tongue where the mount and spare tire would fit without obstructing anything? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:22 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of the vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer. That put it on the pin which keeps the tongue extension locked. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 09:17:19 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:17:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Michael, > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Michael McKay > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > Roger, > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. >> >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: Ric Stott >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? >> >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. >> Ric >> Dadventure >> ?84 Continental >> HBNY >> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> ric at stottarchitecture.com >> O -631-283-1777 >> C- 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >>> >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>>> Best regards, >>>> Jeff >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ >> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 09:39:24 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mike, On a trip over Labor Day weekend, I checked my tongue weight (with rudder in the v-berth) and stopped at a certified scale to weigh the trailer and overall rig. It weighed more than I anticipated but it towed smoothly. I had a cover made for the rudder to make it easier to handle moving into the cabin. I went into some details about this and my towing setup at the top of the second page in the attached document which you might find helpful for reference. http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210908/722d8ac5/attachment.pdf Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:17 AM Michael McKay wrote: > Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > ?Michael, > > > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The > transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the > mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; > that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder > on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for > years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off > for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue > weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all > up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, > etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted > on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list > archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s > tongue weight. > > > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that > protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of > the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast > carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, > whichever is furthest aft. > > > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt > to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue > weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you > have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s > blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the > transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you > can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the > rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > From: Michael McKay > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > > > > Roger, > > > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next > weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the > rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary > or a reasonable precaution? > > > > Michael McKay > > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi All, > >> > >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you > motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide > the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about > half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot > get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop > down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V > Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down > since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel > line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to > be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in > the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer > and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > >> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, > centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards > would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. > Try it with the board about half way down. > >> > >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing > up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder > blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is > most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous > leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into > something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole > in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when > backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it > operator error. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > Windows > >> > >> From: Ric Stott > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > >> > >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade > style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less > susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do > not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to > sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and > Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the > whole thing once. > >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with > new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in > reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it > can be catastrophic, I promise. > >> Ric > >> Dadventure > >> ?84 Continental > >> HBNY > >> > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >> O -631-283-1777 > >> C- 516-965-3164 > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > >>> > >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross > current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant > to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the > uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you > back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the > centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard > cap. That will ruin your whole day. > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo < > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote: > >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - > right? > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Jeff > >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net > >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 > >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > >> > > > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 10:17:00 2021 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010601d7abce$aeca38a0$0c5ea9e0$@gmail.com> Jesse, this is a fantastic article! Your towing kit is virtually identical to mine except my Grand Cherokee is a 2020 I bought in April specifically so I could tow my Rhodes. I like the idea of the rudder cover since the ablative paint comes off rather easily. I have an old sail bag that I think will work well for that. Thanks for documenting this and what sounds like a great adventure. ~Mike -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:39 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Hi Mike, On a trip over Labor Day weekend, I checked my tongue weight (with rudder in the v-berth) and stopped at a certified scale to weigh the trailer and overall rig. It weighed more than I anticipated but it towed smoothly. I had a cover made for the rudder to make it easier to handle moving into the cabin. I went into some details about this and my towing setup at the top of the second page in the attached document which you might find helpful for reference. http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210908/722d8ac5/attachment.pdf Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:17 AM Michael McKay wrote: > Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > ?Michael, > > > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The > transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the > mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; > that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder > on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for > years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off > for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue > weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all > up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, > etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted > on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list > archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s > tongue weight. > > > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that > protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of > the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast > carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, > whichever is furthest aft. > > > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt > to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue > weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you > have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s > blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the > transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you > can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the > rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > From: Michael McKay > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > > > > Roger, > > > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next > weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the > rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary > or a reasonable precaution? > > > > Michael McKay > > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi All, > >> > >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you > motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide > the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about > half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot > get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop > down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V > Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down > since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel > line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to > be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in > the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer > and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > >> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, > centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards > would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. > Try it with the board about half way down. > >> > >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing > up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder > blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is > most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous > leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into > something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole > in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when > backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it > operator error. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > Windows > >> > >> From: Ric Stott > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > >> > >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade > style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less > susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do > not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to > sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and > Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the > whole thing once. > >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with > new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in > reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it > can be catastrophic, I promise. > >> Ric > >> Dadventure > >> ?84 Continental > >> HBNY > >> > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >> O -631-283-1777 > >> C- 516-965-3164 > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > >>> > >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross > current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant > to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the > uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you > back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the > centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard > cap. That will ruin your whole day. > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo < > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote: > >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - > right? > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Jeff > >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net > >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 > >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > >> > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 11:08:26 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: <010601d7abce$aeca38a0$0c5ea9e0$@gmail.com> References: <010601d7abce$aeca38a0$0c5ea9e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I'm glad you found that helpful. As you saw, I didn't go for the bigger engine, but the factory tow package was on my list of requirements when picking a vehicle. Fortunately, I had plenty of power and I'm happy with the vehicle selection. Good luck towing and sailing! Jesse On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:17 AM wrote: > Jesse, this is a fantastic article! Your towing kit is virtually > identical to mine except my Grand Cherokee is a 2020 I bought in April > specifically so I could tow my Rhodes. I like the idea of the rudder cover > since the ablative paint comes off rather easily. I have an old sail bag > that I think will work well for that. > > Thanks for documenting this and what sounds like a great adventure. > > ~Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:39 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > > Hi Mike, > > On a trip over Labor Day weekend, I checked my tongue weight (with rudder > in the v-berth) and stopped at a certified scale to weigh the trailer and > overall rig. It weighed more than I anticipated but it towed smoothly. I > had a cover made for the rudder to make it easier to handle moving into the > cabin. I went into some details about this and my towing setup at the top > of the second page in the attached document which you might find helpful > for reference. > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210908/722d8ac5/attachment.pdf > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:17 AM Michael McKay wrote: > > > Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. > > > > Michael McKay > > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Michael, > > > > > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The > > transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the > > mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue > weight; > > that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the > rudder > > on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for > > years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off > > for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue > > weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the > all > > up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, > > etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard > mounted > > on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list > > archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s > > tongue weight. > > > > > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that > > protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of > > the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and > mast > > carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, > > whichever is furthest aft. > > > > > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt > > to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more > tongue > > weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If > you > > have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s > > blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > > > > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the > > transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you > > can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the > > rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > > > > > From: Michael McKay > > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > > Motoring on to Trailer? > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next > > weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the > > rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary > > or a reasonable precaution? > > > > > > Michael McKay > > > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Hi All, > > >> > > >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you > > motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide > > the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard > about > > half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot > > get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop > > down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving > S/V > > Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down > > since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel > > line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to > > be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in > > the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always > trailer > > and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > >> > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, > > centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards > > would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the > trailer. > > Try it with the board about half way down. > > >> > > >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing > > up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder > > blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is > > most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous > > leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into > > something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big > hole > > in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when > > backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it > > operator error. > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > >> > > >> From: Ric Stott > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > > Motoring on to Trailer? > > >> > > >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > > >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade > > style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less > > susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I > do > > not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to > > sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and > > Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > > >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the > > whole thing once. > > >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging > with > > new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > > >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in > > reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > > >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it > > can be catastrophic, I promise. > > >> Ric > > >> Dadventure > > >> ?84 Continental > > >> HBNY > > >> > > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com > > >> O -631-283-1777 > > >> C- 516-965-3164 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > > >>> > > >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross > > current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am > reluctant > > to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the > > uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you > > back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as > the > > centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the > centreboard > > cap. That will ruin your whole day. > > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo < > > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote: > > >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - > > right? > > >>>> Best regards, > > >>>> Jeff > > >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net > > >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > > >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 > > >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > >> > > > > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Sep 17 11:45:36 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spare Tire on Tongue Message-ID: <00fe01d7abdb$153bd830$3fb38890$@hughes.net> You shouldn't have a problem with removing the tire and still have enough tongue weight. I don't know what the "factory" spare tire bracket looks like but I made my own with treated 2x4s. Un-bolt the lug nuts and roll the spare off of the tongue. Joe Dempsey S/V Respite Deltaville, VA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:17 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4379, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org You can reach the person managing the list at rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: A great sail in Boston Harbor (Chris Geankoplis) 2. Re: racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (Chris Geankoplis) 3. [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo) 4. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Stephen Staum) 5. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Graham) 6. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Ric Stott) 7. [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo) 8. racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (Jeff Smith Photo) 9. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA) 10. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA) 11. Is the Nabble forum gone? (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) 12. Re: racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (bobfcohen at gmail.com) 13. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Bob Garrant) 14. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Peter Nyberg) 15. Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo) 16. Re: Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA) 17. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Michael McKay) 18. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Todd Tavares) 19. Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo) 20. Off-list question - Is General Boats still in business? (Michael D. Weisner) 21. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Michael McKay) 22. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA) 23. Re: Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA) 24. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Michael McKay) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:42:07 +0300 From: Chris Geankoplis To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A great sail in Boston Harbor Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oh that looks great! On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:20 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Looks fun, thanks for sharing! Will be curious to hear how the > modifications go if you proceed. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 6:20 PM Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > I just moved to Boston for the summer and asked Mark Whipple if I could > > see his boat (he?s got a Hoyt Boom that I?m thinking of adding to my > boat). > > Happily he said yes and we had a glorious day sailing in the Harbor. > That?s > > Mark doing a great job (Oh yes, his boat has a wheel too) > > Reuben > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1585.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 122798 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/at tachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1589.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 93515 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1590.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 93335 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210913/54a67c53/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:52:22 +0300 From: Chris Geankoplis To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Awesome! On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake. Last year I > got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on > the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest. The > video and photos came out well. We also have match racing on Santana 20s > and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for > that. The video has some great drone footage. I'm hoping my friend Shelby > can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon. > > Video by Shelby > https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc > > Photos from Saturday from Ken: > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp =sharing > > Photos from Sunday from Lukas: > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp =sharing > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:59:54 -0400 From: Jeff Smith Photo To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? Best regards, Jeff JeffSmithPhoto.Net w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net Cell: 732-236-1368 Atlantic Highlands, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:06:52 -0400 From: Stephen Staum To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" They say that the board will guide the boat onto the trailer. In hauling it myself for 17 years I always loaded the boat onto the trailer with the board up and never had any issues with getting it centered on the trailer properly. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *Needham, MA* On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:00 PM Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? > Best regards, > Jeff > JeffSmithPhoto.Net > w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > Cell: 732-236-1368 > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:27:46 -0400 From: Graham To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f at Spark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract??and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: > The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? > Best regards, > Jeff > JeffSmithPhoto.Net > w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > Cell: 732-236-1368 > Atlantic Highlands, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:48:18 -0400 From: Ric Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: <88FCDDAB-AD97-4E16-A920-D1F7D197ABDD at stottarchitecture.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. Ric Dadventure ?84 Continental HBNY Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > > You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. > On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >> Best regards, >> Jeff >> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >> Cell: 732-236-1368 >> Atlantic Highlands, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:19:25 -0400 From: Jeff Smith Photo To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:21:50 -0400 From: Jeff Smith Photo To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Great still and video coverage! Looks like a blast! Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:02:17 +0000 From: ROGER PIHLAJA To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Jeff, What if you installed a tongue mounted spare tire carrier like the attached image from West Marine? [cid:image002.png at 01D7AA07.FF2E0CE0] Then, you could move the boat all the way forward, have the weight of the spare tire as far forward on the tongue as possible, and not have to carry the spare in your tow vehicle, a weight distribution win/win! I have a spare tire carrier like this on my RIB?s trailer. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:19 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Ric Stott Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. Ric Dadventure ?84 Continental HBNY Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > > You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. > On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >> Best regards, >> Jeff >> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >> Cell: 732-236-1368 >> Atlantic Highlands, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:53:19 -0400 From: To: "Rhodes 22 Email List" Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: <00c601d7aa62$f367c4e0$da374ea0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? _____ Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:21:29 -0400 From: To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa Message-ID: <002b01d7aa77$a718ced0$f54a6c70$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jesse - Nice photos. It looked like fun. Bob Cohen Silver Bay -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:50 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake. Last year I got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest. The video and photos came out well. We also have match racing on Santana 20s and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for that. The video has some great drone footage. I'm hoping my friend Shelby can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon. Video by Shelby https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc Photos from Saturday from Ken: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp =sharing Photos from Sunday from Lukas: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp =sharing Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:06:36 -0400 From: Bob Garrant To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Jeff It sounds like you?re close to my neighborhood on the Chester. We?ll have to check that out. Bob Garrant Sail la Vie 2900/2017 Kent Island On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 5:19 AM Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks! > Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up > for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my > other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the > boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last > time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I > could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as > possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 03:33:32 -0700 From: Peter Nyberg To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Michael, I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. Peter > On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: > > The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum > (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:23:14 -0400 From: Jeff Smith Photo To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Roger, Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small price to pay. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368rh ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:14:19 +0000 From: ROGER PIHLAJA To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff, Why do you have to remove the spare tire when using the tongue extension? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 7:23 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Hi Roger, Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small price to pay. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368rh ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:54:44 -0400 From: Michael McKay To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: <41A4D1C8-05C6-4CF6-9878-9008CAB01E93 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some priceless info there. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Michael, > > I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. > > Peter > >> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum >> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? >> > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:13 -0400 From: Todd Tavares To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michael, You can also search the archives (through Google) on the new website that Peter built. http://rhodes22.org/ Todd T. On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:54 AM Michael McKay wrote: > The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some > priceless info there. > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > ?Michael, > > > > I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link > that?s on my home computer. Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there, > but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it > pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether. > > > > Peter > > > >> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum > >> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore. Is it gone? > >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:22:25 -0400 From: Jeff Smith Photo To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of the vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer. That put it on the pin which keeps the tongue extension locked. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:22:49 -0400 From: "Michael D. Weisner" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Cc: c.mike.scott at gmail.com Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Off-list question - Is General Boats still in business? Message-ID: <000c01d7ab1f$7a961130$6fc23390$@ebsmed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" STAN, Are you there? Mike Scott needs a trailer. This was posted to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group webmaster email (see below). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: c.mike.scott at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:32 PM To: webmaster at rhodes22.org Subject: Message for the rhodes22.org webmaster Is the company, General Boats still in business? They don't answer my emails. I need a trailer for my Rhodes. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:51:13 -0400 From: Michael McKay To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Roger, I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. > > All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. > I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. > Ric > Dadventure > ?84 Continental > HBNY > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>> Best regards, >>> Jeff >>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:11:13 +0000 From: ROGER PIHLAJA To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michael, It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael McKay Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Roger, I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. > > All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. > I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. > Ric > Dadventure > ?84 Continental > HBNY > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>> Best regards, >>> Jeff >>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:31:18 +0000 From: ROGER PIHLAJA To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Jeff, I have the same Fulton spare tire mount that I sent you the picture of. It?s designed to be mounted either vertically or horizontally and strong enough; that, the spare tire doesn?t need to rest on anything. The spare tire on my RIB?s trailer ( 15 X 205-70 R tire + steel wheel ) has been hanging out on this Fulton spare tire mount with no other means of support since 2012. If you remove the constraint about the spare tire needing to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer, is there a place on your trailer?s tongue where the mount and spare tire would fit without obstructing anything? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jeff Smith Photo Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:22 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of the vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer. That put it on the pin which keeps the tongue extension locked. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:17:19 -0400 From: Michael McKay To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Michael, > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Michael McKay > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > Roger, > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. >> >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: Ric Stott >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? >> >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. >> Ric >> Dadventure >> ?84 Continental >> HBNY >> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> ric at stottarchitecture.com >> O -631-283-1777 >> C- 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >>> >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>>> Best regards, >>>> Jeff >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ >> > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4379, Issue 1 ********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20201114_1603311.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 291603 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Weisner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:58:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d7ac17$94dee5a0$be9cb0e0$@ebsmed.com> Why not store the rudder in the cabin, on the v-berth? With the exception of my 2.5 mile trip between the Nissequogue River and my home, I have always stored the rudder in the boat. I remove the single bolt & wing nut holding the tiller and store the tiller. I then unknot the control lines and remove the single bolt and fastener holding the rudder blade, storing it forward in the cabin. Lastly I unclip the pins and store the cheek assembly. The heaviest component is the blade which I have occasionally left attached to the cheek assembly so that I need not remove the lines. It is just a bit more unruly to handle. Handling the entire tiller to blade assembly is just crazy due to weight and length. I fail to see why anyone would risk losing or damaging the rudder on a trip. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Michael, It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael McKay Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? Roger, I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. > > All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. > I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. > Ric > Dadventure > ?84 Continental > HBNY > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >> >> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>> Best regards, >>> Jeff >>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Sep 17 19:02:14 2021 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:02:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003e01d7ac18$0ee76fc0$2cb64f40$@ebsmed.com> Chris, I'm not sure why your attachment was sent as a bin file. It should be renamed as a jpg file. I did so and attached it to this email for convenience. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:30 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med My apologies for not posting anything about the trip. This being the last time we will sail our Rhodes in the Med in all probability, so there is a bitter sweet atmosphere as we approach the end of this trip. I assure you all I will eventually post the trip in my usual pedantic format. 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Jesse On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 6:02 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Chris, > > I'm not sure why your attachment was sent as a bin file. It should be > renamed as a jpg file. I did so and attached it to this email for > convenience. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:30 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med > > My apologies for not posting anything about the trip. This being the last > time we will sail our Rhodes in the Med in all probability, so there is a > bitter sweet atmosphere as we approach the end of this trip. I assure you > all I will eventually post the trip in my usual pedantic format. 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Hope that you are both doing well. Fair winds vicariously! Mary and Rod Ellner Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?Chris, thanks for sharing the nice sunset photo. Hope the trip is going > well and we look forward to reading all about it! > > Mike, thanks for the file conversion. > > Jesse > >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 6:02 PM Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> I'm not sure why your attachment was sent as a bin file. It should be >> renamed as a jpg file. I did so and attached it to this email for >> convenience. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Chris Geankoplis >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:30 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med >> >> My apologies for not posting anything about the trip. This being the last >> time we will sail our Rhodes in the Med in all probability, so there is a >> bitter sweet atmosphere as we approach the end of this trip. I assure you >> all I will eventually post the trip in my usual pedantic format. 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Anyway, I appreciate you catching it. Chris ENOSIS On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 2:02 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Chris, > > I'm not sure why your attachment was sent as a bin file. It should be > renamed as a jpg file. I did so and attached it to this email for > convenience. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:30 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med > > My apologies for not posting anything about the trip. This being the last > time we will sail our Rhodes in the Med in all probability, so there is a > bitter sweet atmosphere as we approach the end of this trip. I assure you > all I will eventually post the trip in my usual pedantic format. 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In-Reply-To: <003d01d7ac17$94dee5a0$be9cb0e0$@ebsmed.com> References: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> <003d01d7ac17$94dee5a0$be9cb0e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Michael, There are enough other tasks to rig/unrig a Rhodes 22 without having to mess with the rudder. As long as it doesn?t affect the trailer stability because of tongue weight, the reason to leave the rudder on the transom is because you can. Leaving it in place gets you on the water more quickly and on the road more quickly. The rudder is in no more danger of being lost or damaged when trailering down the road vs on the water. Would the rudder be safer in the cabin ? sure it would. The boat is safer when the trailer is parked in the driveway or tied up to a dock too. But, we still take the trailer out on the road or sail away from the dock because we have adventures to experience and places to go. The Rhodes 22 is a tough little boat and you don?t have to baby it. I take my tiller and rudder assembly apart, as per your description, for varnishing and painting. It?s a royal PITA! I wouldn?t want to do it every time I trailer the boat. I?ve been trailering my boat with the outboard and rudder on the transom since 1987, thousands of miles. But, now I?m curious. What do other owners do with their rudders and outboards when they trailer? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?Why not store the rudder in the cabin, on the v-berth? With the exception of my 2.5 mile trip between the Nissequogue River and my home, I have always stored the rudder in the boat. I remove the single bolt & wing nut holding the tiller and store the tiller. I then unknot the control lines and remove the single bolt and fastener holding the rudder blade, storing it forward in the cabin. Lastly I unclip the pins and store the cheek assembly. The heaviest component is the blade which I have occasionally left attached to the cheek assembly so that I need not remove the lines. It is just a bit more unruly to handle. Handling the entire tiller to blade assembly is just crazy due to weight and length. > > I fail to see why anyone would risk losing or damaging the rudder on a trip. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:11 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > Michael, > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight. > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is furthest aft. > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Michael McKay > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? > > Roger, > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable precaution? > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. Try it with the board about half way down. >> >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it operator error. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: Ric Stott >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? >> >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole thing once. >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be catastrophic, I promise. >> Ric >> Dadventure >> ?84 Continental >> HBNY >> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> ric at stottarchitecture.com >> O -631-283-1777 >> C- 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: >>> >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard cap. That will ruin your whole day. >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo , wrote: >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right? >>>> Best regards, >>>> Jeff >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ >> > > From mike at traildesign.com Sat Sep 18 13:06:24 2021 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:06:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? In-Reply-To: References: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3@gmail.com> <003d01d7ac17$94dee5a0$be9cb0e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I?m in the same boat with Roger (pardon the pun). I trailer sail exclusively and never remove the rudder or motor. The only exception would be when I?m trailering somewhere overnight and don?t want to leave the motor on while we?re at a hotel. I do tie both the rudder blade and the motor to the stern rail as a secondary means of support. I learned this from GB as part of the tutorial I received when I picked up the boat at the factory a few years ago. Mike Riter SV EmmaB On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 6:18 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Michael, > > There are enough other tasks to rig/unrig a Rhodes 22 without having to > mess with the rudder. As long as it doesn?t affect the trailer stability > because of tongue weight, the reason to leave the rudder on the transom is > because you can. Leaving it in place gets you on the water more quickly > and on the road more quickly. The rudder is in no more danger of being lost > or damaged when trailering down the road vs on the water. Would the rudder > be safer in the cabin ? sure it would. The boat is safer when the trailer > is parked in the driveway or tied up to a dock too. But, we still take the > trailer out on the road or sail away from the dock because we have > adventures to experience and places to go. The Rhodes 22 is a tough little > boat and you don?t have to baby it. > > I take my tiller and rudder assembly apart, as per your description, for > varnishing and painting. It?s a royal PITA! I wouldn?t want to do it > every time I trailer the boat. > > I?ve been trailering my boat with the outboard and rudder on the transom > since 1987, thousands of miles. But, now I?m curious. What do other > owners do with their rudders and outboards when they trailer? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > > ?Why not store the rudder in the cabin, on the v-berth? With the > exception of my 2.5 mile trip between the Nissequogue River and my home, I > have always stored the rudder in the boat. I remove the single bolt & wing > nut holding the tiller and store the tiller. I then unknot the control > lines and remove the single bolt and fastener holding the rudder blade, > storing it forward in the cabin. Lastly I unclip the pins and store the > cheek assembly. The heaviest component is the blade which I have > occasionally left attached to the cheek assembly so that I need not remove > the lines. It is just a bit more unruly to handle. Handling the entire > tiller to blade assembly is just crazy due to weight and length. > > > > I fail to see why anyone would risk losing or damaging the rudder on a > trip. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:11 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > > > > Michael, > > > > It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer. The > transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the > mounted rudder going down the road. So, if you have enough tongue weight; > that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder > on the transom. I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for > years. I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off > for more ground clearance. The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue > weight needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all > up weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, > etc). Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted > on the transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs. Check the list > archives for a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s > tongue weight. > > > > With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that > protrudes furthest aft past the transom. I put a red flag on the end of > the mast so the police won?t ticket me. Depending on your trailer and mast > carrier, you might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, > whichever is furthest aft. > > > > Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt > to unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit. If you need more tongue > weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth. If you > have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s > blanket to protect the V-berth?s cushions. > > > > If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the > transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something. & you > can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors! I always kick the > rudder blade up all the way before backing up. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > From: Michael McKay > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > > > > Roger, > > > > I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next > weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the > rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport. Is that step unnecessary > or a reasonable precaution? > > > > Michael McKay > > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi All, > >> > >> The centerboard is not a digital device. You will find; that, if you > motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide > the boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim. With the centerboard about > half way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot > get snarled up. If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop > down until the pennant catches it, no harm done. I?ve been retrieving S/V > Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down > since 1987. After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel > line from the engine. While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to > be used up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off. Then, I pull in > the rest of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off. So, I always trailer > and launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off. > >> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil, > centerboard. But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards > would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer. > Try it with the board about half way down. > >> > >> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing > up. This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder > blade! I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is > most likely to hit something 1st when backing up. There is tremendous > leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into > something. Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole > in the transom! Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade down when > backing up is hazardous at best. If you hit something, I would call it > operator error. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > Windows > >> > >> From: Ric Stott > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When > Motoring on to Trailer? > >> > >> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. > >> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade > style Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less > susceptible to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do > not know how it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to > sell me a Diamond board because it takes significant intervention and > Fiberglass work to reset the pivot point. > >> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the > whole thing once. > >> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with > new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them. > >> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in > reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap. > >> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it > can be catastrophic, I promise. > >> Ric > >> Dadventure > >> ?84 Continental > >> HBNY > >> > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >> O -631-283-1777 > >> C- 516-965-3164 > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham wrote: > >>> > >>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross > current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant > to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract and cinch the > uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you > back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the > centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard > cap. That will ruin your whole day. > >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo < > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote: > >>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - > right? > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Jeff > >>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net > >>>> w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net > >>>> Cell: 732-236-1368 > >>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ > >> > > > > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 16:30:47 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:30:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chesapeake Bay Cruise Message-ID: Wife Emily and and I plan to trailer from Atlantic Highlands, NJ to the Franklin St Ramp in Cambridge on September 23rd and launch on the 24th. We will then cruise around, getting to St. Michael's on the 27, where we will meet friends. Then back to Cambridge to haul on October 3rd. We would love to meet up with R22-ers during the cruise! Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 21 07:56:26 2021 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 11:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Message-ID: Hi All, This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Here are some photos from the trip: [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Adam & Tyler Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Adam Hoisting The Mainsail [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Unfurling The 130% Roller Furling Genoa [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was Grinning Like This All Afternoon [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! 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That?s a big catamaran, I assume you need 2 people minimum to sail it? Larry > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! > > [cid:image018.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > The Troop Hanging Out On The Foredeck Just Before We Ducked Behind Spoils Island > > [cid:image020.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Flying The Flag Set @ Anchor > > [cid:image023.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > It?s The Most Fun You Can Have @ < 10 MPH! > > [cid:image026.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Tyler & Adrian Aboard A Really Big ?Trailerable Boat? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132619 bytes > Desc: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 171584 bytes > Desc: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132315 bytes > Desc: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138454 bytes > Desc: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 141083 bytes > Desc: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 168341 bytes > Desc: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 144893 bytes > Desc: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146870 bytes > Desc: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 133279 bytes > Desc: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 08:23:42 2021 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 07:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy birthday Roger! ?May you always be willing and able to paddle your own canoe.? ?Troop 19 Eagle slogan. Slim Fandango On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I > have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V > Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay > in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and > Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for > RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed > here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive > campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to > have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, > camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of > the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, > pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the > boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in > it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 > knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full > mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 > knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. > Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast > also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and > retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be > helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel > until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the > so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island > is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of > dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to > maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the > island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple > members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years > old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired > anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took > the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the > birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang > Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had > cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly > stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed > back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored > about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in > our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler Ready > To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam > Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller > Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m > Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! > > [cid:image018.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > The Troop Hanging Out On > The Foredeck Just Before We Ducked Behind Spoils Island > > [cid:image020.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Flying The Flag > Set @ Anchor > > [cid:image023.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > It?s The Most Fun You Can Have @ < 10 > MPH! > > [cid:image026.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Tyler & Adrian Aboard A Really Big ?Trailerable Boat? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132619 bytes > Desc: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 171584 bytes > Desc: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132315 bytes > Desc: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138454 bytes > Desc: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0003.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 141083 bytes > Desc: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0004.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 168341 bytes > Desc: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0005.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 144893 bytes > Desc: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0006.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146870 bytes > Desc: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0007.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 133279 bytes > Desc: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0008.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 08:28:28 2021 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 07:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like it was a great adventure, thanks for sharing! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 7:23 AM Steven Alm wrote: > Happy birthday Roger! > ?May you always be willing and able to paddle your own canoe.? > ?Troop 19 Eagle slogan. > > Slim > Fandango > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. > I > > have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran > (S/V > > Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw > Bay > > in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and > > Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly > for > > RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed > > here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive > > campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to > > have friends in low places! > > > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday > afternoon, > > camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of > > the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, > > pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve > the > > boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in > > it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 > > knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her > full > > mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged > ~7 > > knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded > properly. > > Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast > > also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set > and > > retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be > > helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel > > until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the > > so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils > Island > > is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of > > dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order > to > > maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the > > island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple > > members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years > > old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired > > anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I > took > > the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All > the > > birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop > sang > > Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had > > cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly > > stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and > sailed > > back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, > motored > > about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night > in > > our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Adam & Tyler Ready > > To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > > Adam > > Hoisting The Mainsail > > > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Unfurling The 130% Roller > > Furling Genoa > > > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m > > Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! > > > > [cid:image018.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > The Troop Hanging Out On > > The Foredeck Just Before We Ducked Behind Spoils Island > > > > [cid:image020.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Flying The Flag > > Set @ Anchor > > > > [cid:image023.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > It?s The Most Fun You Can Have @ < 10 > > MPH! > > > > [cid:image026.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > > > Tyler & Adrian Aboard A Really Big ?Trailerable Boat? > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132619 bytes > > Desc: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 171584 bytes > > Desc: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132315 bytes > > Desc: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 138454 bytes > > Desc: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 141083 bytes > > Desc: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0004.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 168341 bytes > > Desc: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0005.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 144893 bytes > > Desc: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0006.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 146870 bytes > > Desc: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0007.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 133279 bytes > > Desc: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0008.jpg > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 21 08:32:31 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 12:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry, We try to go out at least once per season, either a weekend camping/sailing trip like this or an evening day sail. I think it?s the best Scouting event of the year; but, of course I?m somewhat biased! This time, we had two new Scouting families whose youth were a little hesitant until their parents took them aside and told them, ?Are you nuts? Do you know what an opportunity this is? We?re all going!? They all had a great time. One youth got a little sea sick; but, didn?t throw up. As soon as we got him back on dry land, he perked right up. He ate two bowls of turkey chili at dinner, so I assumed he was OK. Dan & I have double handed the S/V Now What for hundreds of Great Lakes miles in all kinds of weather. It was originally custom built in Florida and served for ~10 years in charter service in the Caribbean. LOA: 42 ft, Beam: 23 ft, Draft CB?s Up/Down: 30 inches/6.5 ft, Two 25 bhp Outboard Engines, Vertical Clearance: 53 ft. For a catamaran, I think it?s a pretty boat, much better looking than the floating condos the cat makers are building these days. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.png at 01D7AEC3.360F0A10] S/V Now What Lying At Anchor Sent from Mail for Windows From: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Looks like a lot of fun, and what a nice experience for the scouts! They?ll remember it forever. And thanks for the great description & pics - I feel like I was there! That?s a big catamaran, I assume you need 2 people minimum to sail it? Larry > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! > > [cid:image018.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > The Troop Hanging Out On The Foredeck Just Before We Ducked Behind Spoils Island > > [cid:image020.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Flying The Flag Set @ Anchor > > [cid:image023.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > It?s The Most Fun You Can Have @ < 10 MPH! > > [cid:image026.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Tyler & Adrian Aboard A Really Big ?Trailerable Boat? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132619 bytes > Desc: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 171584 bytes > Desc: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132315 bytes > Desc: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138454 bytes > Desc: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 141083 bytes > Desc: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 168341 bytes > Desc: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 144893 bytes > Desc: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146870 bytes > Desc: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 133279 bytes > Desc: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He still has it hanging on the wall of his office. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:23 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Happy birthday Roger! ?May you always be willing and able to paddle your own canoe.? ?Troop 19 Eagle slogan. Slim Fandango On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:56 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I > have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V > Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay > in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and > Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for > RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed > here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive > campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to > have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, > camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of > the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, > pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the > boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in > it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 > knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full > mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 > knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. > Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast > also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and > retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be > helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel > until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the > so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island > is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of > dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to > maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the > island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple > members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years > old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired > anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took > the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the > birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang > Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had > cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly > stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed > back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored > about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in > our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler Ready > To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam > Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller > Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. I?m > Not Scared Of His Driving, It?s just That Rough, So I Have To Hang On! > > [cid:image018.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > The Troop Hanging Out On > The Foredeck Just Before We Ducked Behind Spoils Island > > [cid:image020.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Flying The Flag > Set @ Anchor > > [cid:image023.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > It?s The Most Fun You Can Have @ < 10 > MPH! > > [cid:image026.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Tyler & Adrian Aboard A Really Big ?Trailerable Boat? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132619 bytes > Desc: 790055C2CD7B4B1B93ABA456A5B6948B.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 171584 bytes > Desc: 7A1469BF82E94433B4B1605604F3F1C0.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132315 bytes > Desc: 44280BE785EA432392C407FA09AA931B.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138454 bytes > Desc: FE24E39B324F49E8A0BA784660BED551.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0003.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 141083 bytes > Desc: 4D385F6530D84212ADC1EF92D6A00BD6.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0004.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 168341 bytes > Desc: CBB46A7D6A244C9D95B6BB36BED66B94.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0005.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 144893 bytes > Desc: 13AA7B8AE4094A8F989B2485F596257D.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0006.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146870 bytes > Desc: 2C3E97C5B65D468184978F489BF95BFD.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0007.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 133279 bytes > Desc: A3C520979DD6490F82CB1EE4A9F76D5E.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210921/1f3be2d9/attachment-0008.jpg > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Sep 21 08:55:29 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F8D06AA-30DE-493E-8362-6B9EB4F7A364@stottarchitecture.com> Love those stories. Love Da List. Sail-on. Ric Adventure ?84 Continental HBNY Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. 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Weisner) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ed01d7aef4$ffb9aa10$ff2cfe30$@ebsmed.com> Roger, A 23' beam on a car trailer! No wonder I cannot see the wheels. How was it transported from Florida? Wide load? It looks like it could be a lot of fun! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:33 AM To: Larry Gioia ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Larry, We try to go out at least once per season, either a weekend camping/sailing trip like this or an evening day sail. I think it?s the best Scouting event of the year; but, of course I?m somewhat biased! This time, we had two new Scouting families whose youth were a little hesitant until their parents took them aside and told them, ?Are you nuts? Do you know what an opportunity this is? We?re all going!? They all had a great time. One youth got a little sea sick; but, didn?t throw up. As soon as we got him back on dry land, he perked right up. He ate two bowls of turkey chili at dinner, so I assumed he was OK. Dan & I have double handed the S/V Now What for hundreds of Great Lakes miles in all kinds of weather. It was originally custom built in Florida and served for ~10 years in charter service in the Caribbean. LOA: 42 ft, Beam: 23 ft, Draft CB?s Up/Down: 30 inches/6.5 ft, Two 25 bhp Outboard Engines, Vertical Clearance: 53 ft. For a catamaran, I think it?s a pretty boat, much better looking than the floating condos the cat makers are building these days. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.png at 01D7AEC3.360F0A10] S/V Now What Lying At Anchor Sent from Mail for Windows From: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Looks like a lot of fun, and what a nice experience for the scouts! They?ll remember it forever. And thanks for the great description & pics - I feel like I was there! That?s a big catamaran, I assume you need 2 people minimum to sail it? Larry > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler > Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The > Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller > Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. 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The campground is mostly for RV's. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We've stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we're a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It's good to have friends in low places! We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat's water system, retrieve the boat onto it's custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it's winter storage spot in the Marina's storage yard. The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called "Spoils Island" at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it's an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I'm 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial "birthday anchor light". I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili - YUM! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Here are some photos from the trip: [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Adam & Tyler Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The Mainsail) [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Adam Hoisting The Mainsail [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Unfurling The 130% Roller Furling Genoa [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! 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Linwood Marina has a 4 lane launch ramp and we have to use the middle 2 lanes. As you might expect, it takes longer than the average trailerable boat to launch or retrieve S/V Now What. But, it?s a good show and we always draw a crowd! I don?t know if it would even be possible to get the necessary extra wide load permits to drive something like this on the road. I?m sure it would require a police escort and road closures at bare minimum Roger Pihlaja [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEDA.41683190] S/V Now What Approaching It?s Trailer. Just put the two hulls between the fiberglass poles ? easy peasy! [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEDA.41683190] Checking To Be Certain S/V Now What Is Sitting Properly on It?s Trailer Before Coming The Rest Of The Way Out Of The Water Note Adian coming down the bow stairway ? In calm weather S/V Now What can be beached and you can step off the boat onto the beach. It also makes for a really nice SCUBA diving support boat. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael D. Weisner Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:29 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Roger, A 23' beam on a car trailer! No wonder I cannot see the wheels. How was it transported from Florida? Wide load? It looks like it could be a lot of fun! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:33 AM To: Larry Gioia ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Larry, We try to go out at least once per season, either a weekend camping/sailing trip like this or an evening day sail. I think it?s the best Scouting event of the year; but, of course I?m somewhat biased! This time, we had two new Scouting families whose youth were a little hesitant until their parents took them aside and told them, ?Are you nuts? Do you know what an opportunity this is? We?re all going!? They all had a great time. One youth got a little sea sick; but, didn?t throw up. As soon as we got him back on dry land, he perked right up. He ate two bowls of turkey chili at dinner, so I assumed he was OK. Dan & I have double handed the S/V Now What for hundreds of Great Lakes miles in all kinds of weather. It was originally custom built in Florida and served for ~10 years in charter service in the Caribbean. LOA: 42 ft, Beam: 23 ft, Draft CB?s Up/Down: 30 inches/6.5 ft, Two 25 bhp Outboard Engines, Vertical Clearance: 53 ft. For a catamaran, I think it?s a pretty boat, much better looking than the floating condos the cat makers are building these days. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.png at 01D7AEC3.360F0A10] S/V Now What Lying At Anchor Sent from Mail for Windows From: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop Looks like a lot of fun, and what a nice experience for the scouts! They?ll remember it forever. And thanks for the great description & pics - I feel like I was there! That?s a big catamaran, I assume you need 2 people minimum to sail it? Larry > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to have friends in low places! > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Adam & Tyler > Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The > Mainsail) > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Unfurling The 130% Roller > Furling Genoa > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. 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On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 6:17 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Mike, > > The boat was sailed up the Intercoastal Waterway to New York, up the > Hudson River, thru the Erie Canal, and into the Great Lakes. > > The trailer is a much modified house moving trailer. It has 8 wheels. > Like all good toys, there is some assembly and adjustment of the outriggers > required before each use. All folded up, the trailer can be towed empty > down the road. Here?s a photo of the boat approaching the trailer on the > launch ramp and another with the boat on the trailer; but, still in the > water. Linwood Marina has a 4 lane launch ramp and we have to use the > middle 2 lanes. As you might expect, it takes longer than the average > trailerable boat to launch or retrieve S/V Now What. But, it?s a good show > and we always draw a crowd! > > I don?t know if it would even be possible to get the necessary extra wide > load permits to drive something like this on the road. I?m sure it would > require a police escort and road closures at bare minimum > > Roger Pihlaja > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEDA.41683190] > S/V Now What Approaching It?s Trailer. > Just put the two hulls between the fiberglass poles ? easy peasy! > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEDA.41683190] > Checking To Be Certain S/V Now What Is Sitting Properly > on It?s Trailer Before Coming The Rest Of The Way Out Of The Water > Note Adian coming down the bow stairway ? In calm > weather S/V Now What can be beached and you can step off the boat onto the > beach. > It also makes for a really nice SCUBA diving support > boat. > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Michael D. Weisner > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:29 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop > > Roger, > > A 23' beam on a car trailer! No wonder I cannot see the wheels. How was it > transported from Florida? Wide load? > > It looks like it could be a lot of fun! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:33 AM > To: Larry Gioia ; The Rhodes 22 Email List < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop > > Larry, > > We try to go out at least once per season, either a weekend > camping/sailing trip like this or an evening day sail. I think it?s the > best Scouting event of the year; but, of course I?m somewhat biased! This > time, we had two new Scouting families whose youth were a little hesitant > until their parents took them aside and told them, ?Are you nuts? Do you > know what an opportunity this is? We?re all going!? They all had a great > time. One youth got a little sea sick; but, didn?t throw up. As soon as > we got him back on dry land, he perked right up. He ate two bowls of > turkey chili at dinner, so I assumed he was OK. > > Dan & I have double handed the S/V Now What for hundreds of Great Lakes > miles in all kinds of weather. It was originally custom built in Florida > and served for ~10 years in charter service in the Caribbean. LOA: 42 ft, > Beam: 23 ft, Draft CB?s Up/Down: 30 inches/6.5 ft, Two 25 bhp Outboard > Engines, Vertical Clearance: 53 ft. For a catamaran, I think it?s a pretty > boat, much better looking than the floating condos the cat makers are > building these days. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.png at 01D7AEC3.360F0A10] > S/V Now What Lying At Anchor Sent from Mail< > https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows > > From: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Camping/Sailing Trip With My Boy Scout Troop > > Looks like a lot of fun, and what a nice experience for the scouts! > They?ll remember it forever. And thanks for the great description & pics - > I feel like I was there! That?s a big catamaran, I assume you need 2 > people minimum to sail it? > > Larry > > > On Sep 21, 2021, at 7:56 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > ?Hi All, > > > > This past weekend, I took my Boy Scout Troop on a camping/sailing trip. > I have a friend, Dan Schweitzer, that has a 42 ft LOA sailing catamaran > (S/V Now What). He keeps it at Linwood Beach Marina & Campground on > Saginaw Bay in Linwood, MI. Linwood is about halfway between Bay City, MI > and Pinconning, MI on the W side of Saginaw Bay. The campground is mostly > for RV?s. But, they have 6 primitive sites for tent campers. We?ve stayed > here in previous years and they always donate the use of the primitive > campsites because we?re a Boy Scout Troop and they know me. It?s good to > have friends in low places! > > > > We arrived Friday night and set up camp. We sailed on Saturday > afternoon, camped Saturday night, and most of the troop left Sunday > morning. Two of the Scouts and myself stayed behind to help Dan unrig and > fold the sails, pump out the holding tank, winterize the boat?s water > system, retrieve the boat onto it?s custom made trailer, and then park the > boat & trailer in it?s winter storage spot in the Marina?s storage yard. > > > > The sailing conditions were great: sunny, temp 75 deg F, wind N @ 10-15 > knots, waves 2-3 ft! S/V Now What was sailing a beam reach flying her full > mainsail and 130% genoa with neither centerboard lowered. We averaged ~7 > knots, hitting 9-10 knots in the gusts if the helmsman responded properly. > Some of the youth were better at steering than others. A boat this fast > also slows down quickly if the helmsman screws up. > > > > All the Scouts got to hoist and trim sails, handle the dock lines, set > and retrieve the anchor. Everyone that wanted to steer got a chance to be > helmsman. After motoring out of the marina and down the dredged channel > until the water got deep enough, we hoisted sail and sailed ~ 9 nm to the > so-called ?Spoils Island? at the mouth of the Saginaw River. Spoils Island > is so named because it?s an artificial island created by decades of > dredging in the Saginaw River by the US Army Corps of Engineers in order to > maintain a commercial ship channel. We went around the S side of the > island to get out of the wind and waves and anchored. We had multiple > members of the troop having birthdays, including myself (I?m 68 years > old). We had a birthday party at anchor. I brought my kerosene fired > anchor light, so it became the ceremonial ?birthday anchor light?. I took > the Fresnel lens assembly off so it was just the oil lamp & wick. All the > birthday boys stood around the lit lantern while the rest of the troop sang > Happy Birthday and then we all blew out the wick together. Then, we had > cupcakes and lemonade. After the party, when everything was properly > stowed away, we hoisted anchor, stowed the flags, raised sails, and sailed > back to Linwood. All told, we were on the water about 3-1/2 hours, motored > about 4 nm and sailed about 18 nm. Dan joined us for dinner that night in > our campsite, turkey chili ? YUM! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Here are some photos from the trip: > > > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Adam & Tyler > > Ready To Hoist The Mainsail @ The Marina (Note The Lazy Jacks On The > > Mainsail) > > > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > > > Adam Hoisting The Mainsail > > > > [cid:image008.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Unfurling The 130% Roller > > Furling Genoa > > > > [cid:image011.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Not All Helmsmen Were As Happy As Sam! He Was > > Grinning Like This All Afternoon > > > > [cid:image014.jpg at 01D7AEBE.25885570] > > Roger Giving Henry His 1st Driving Lesson. 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I've been getting better at keeping the boat up near the stop when retrieving, which does indeed reduce the tendency for fishtailing, but the potential issue with the spare tire never occurred to me. I checked yesterday, and sure enough, I cannot get the spare free. I guess I'll be ordering one of those Fulton brand tire mounts that Roger recommended. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1955/2016) > On 2021-09-15, at 05:19:25 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > > ... my other Q involves the spare > tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the boat as forward as possible to have > adequate tongue weight and the last time it was so close that the tire could not > be removed. So I figured I could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the > boat as far forward as possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight... > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Sep 22 16:26:13 2021 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 20:26:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Edenville and Sanford Dam Failures Message-ID: This is mainly addressed to Roger, but some others maybe interested. As a civil engineer, it certainly is of interest to me. The American Society of Civil Engineers recently release their report on the dam failures at Edenville and Sanford. A couple of stories on their findings. https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/09/static-liquefaction-likely-caused-edenville-dam-failure-report-says https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/article/2021/09/22/failures-at-edenville-and-sanford-raise-concerns-about-other-us-dams?utm_medium=email&utm_source=rasa_io&PostID=38199516&MessageRunDetailID=6486574554 Seems like the plausible root cause was uncompacted sand used in the dam while the specifications called for the sand to be compacted. Non-compacted sand allowed it to liquify when the water pressure on the soil got too high. A video shows the initial failure. I had not seen this video until I read this report. Notice the dam fails from inside the dam and then the water breaks through. The dam was not overtopped as originally thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3u_CHVHJ8 Some of these earthen dams are over 100 years old and were built before engineers understood the engineering properties of soils. We would never build a dam like this today. Rob From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Sep 22 18:00:54 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Edenville and Sanford Dam Failures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "we would never build a damn like this today" How would the monolithic have done it? A tease, Tom On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 3:26 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > This is mainly addressed to Roger, but some others maybe interested. As a > civil engineer, it certainly is of interest to me. > > The American Society of Civil Engineers recently release their report on > the dam failures at Edenville and Sanford. A couple of stories on their > findings. > > > https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/09/static-liquefaction-likely-caused-edenville-dam-failure-report-says > > > https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/article/2021/09/22/failures-at-edenville-and-sanford-raise-concerns-about-other-us-dams?utm_medium=email&utm_source=rasa_io&PostID=38199516&MessageRunDetailID=6486574554 > > Seems like the plausible root cause was uncompacted sand used in the dam > while the specifications called for the sand to be compacted. > > Non-compacted sand allowed it to liquify when the water pressure on the > soil got too high. A video shows the initial failure. I had not seen this > video until I read this report. Notice the dam fails from inside the dam > and then the water breaks through. The dam was not overtopped as > originally thought. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3u_CHVHJ8 > > Some of these earthen dams are over 100 years old and were built before > engineers understood the engineering properties of soils. We would never > build a dam like this today. > > Rob > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Sep 22 18:01:34 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Edenville and Sanford Dam Failures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I meant megoalthic... On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > "we would never build a damn like this today" > > How would the monolithic have done it? > > A tease, > Tom > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 3:26 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> This is mainly addressed to Roger, but some others maybe interested. As >> a civil engineer, it certainly is of interest to me. >> >> The American Society of Civil Engineers recently release their report on >> the dam failures at Edenville and Sanford. A couple of stories on their >> findings. >> >> >> https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/09/static-liquefaction-likely-caused-edenville-dam-failure-report-says >> >> >> https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/article/2021/09/22/failures-at-edenville-and-sanford-raise-concerns-about-other-us-dams?utm_medium=email&utm_source=rasa_io&PostID=38199516&MessageRunDetailID=6486574554 >> >> Seems like the plausible root cause was uncompacted sand used in the dam >> while the specifications called for the sand to be compacted. >> >> Non-compacted sand allowed it to liquify when the water pressure on the >> soil got too high. A video shows the initial failure. I had not seen this >> video until I read this report. Notice the dam fails from inside the dam >> and then the water breaks through. The dam was not overtopped as >> originally thought. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3u_CHVHJ8 >> >> Some of these earthen dams are over 100 years old and were built before >> engineers understood the engineering properties of soils. We would never >> build a dam like this today. >> >> Rob >> >> From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 19:36:27 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 19:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spare Tire on Triad Trailer Message-ID: I tried sending pic but too large. The set up of the spare seems OK. I used a crutch tip which I carved out a little bit to cover the pull pin to avoid damage to the tire which was probably overkill. I got a simple spare bracket from a local boat store which did the job for $15. After getting ready for vacation I?m really gonna need a vacation. A week and a half ago we had a Derecho (SP?)or a microburst or something which was worse than any hurricane that we have been through here. Since the boat didn?t part the mooring I figured that all was well. But when I got on board I found out that there was a foot of salt water over the floorboards. Rolling and pitching I guess. So for the past week and a half we have been cleaning the boat and its contents. Also installing a new main sail. And extra biz work! Anyway, we are going to place the rudder in a contractor bag in the forepeak along with the defeated inflatable. Take that tounge weight! -- Best regards, Jeff JeffSmithPhoto.Net w ww.jeffsmithphoto.net Cell: 732-236-1368 Atlantic Highlands, NJ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 23 07:52:43 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Edenville and Sanford Dam Failures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, I read this report. One thing they will do differently when they rebuild the dams is drive steel sheet pilings thru the center of the earth berm the entire length of the dam. This will prevent static fluidization of the sand particles, which was the primary failure mechanism. There will also be much more armoring of the wetted faces of the earth berm with rip rap to make it more resistant to erosion from high water and overtopping. The new flood gates will have > 2X the flow capacity vs. the old flood gates to prevent the lake levels from getting so high. But, there were also human errors that contributed to the dam failures. The investigation into these human errors is ongoing. The final report is due in about 8 months. Our class action lawsuit is stalled out awaiting this report since it will assign liability. There is a bill going thru the Michigan State Legislature to provide ~ M$500 for dam safety. Of that, ~M$300 would be earmarked for repair/replacement of the 4 dams. The rest of the funds would go towards more rigorous and frequent dam safety inspections and regulations. The bill is currently stalled out in committee. If it were to pass in its current form, my property taxes wouldn?t increase by 4X. But, at the moment, I?m looking out my dining room window at the Tittabawassee River and a mud flat where my lake used to be and waiting for a massive property tax bill next year. If I were convinced there is going to be a lake again, I would have to spend ~K$19 to replace my dock, steps, and seawall to bring it back to preflood condition. But, who wants to spend thousands of dollars to have a dock overlooking a mud flat? Thanks for forwarding the report. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:01 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Edenville and Sanford Dam Failures I meant megoalthic... On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 5:00 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > "we would never build a damn like this today" > > How would the monolithic have done it? > > A tease, > Tom > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 3:26 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> This is mainly addressed to Roger, but some others maybe interested. As >> a civil engineer, it certainly is of interest to me. >> >> The American Society of Civil Engineers recently release their report on >> the dam failures at Edenville and Sanford. A couple of stories on their >> findings. >> >> >> https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/09/static-liquefaction-likely-caused-edenville-dam-failure-report-says >> >> >> https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/article/2021/09/22/failures-at-edenville-and-sanford-raise-concerns-about-other-us-dams?utm_medium=email&utm_source=rasa_io&PostID=38199516&MessageRunDetailID=6486574554 >> >> Seems like the plausible root cause was uncompacted sand used in the dam >> while the specifications called for the sand to be compacted. >> >> Non-compacted sand allowed it to liquify when the water pressure on the >> soil got too high. A video shows the initial failure. I had not seen this >> video until I read this report. Notice the dam fails from inside the dam >> and then the water breaks through. The dam was not overtopped as >> originally thought. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3u_CHVHJ8 >> >> Some of these earthen dams are over 100 years old and were built before >> engineers understood the engineering properties of soils. We would never >> build a dam like this today. >> >> Rob >> >> From borderfolle at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 13:04:59 2021 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and tied off to the trailer.? This works reasonably well, but living in the northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than just a few seasons.? Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a reasonable cost?? Perhaps canvas vs poly?? Thanks for any suggestions. Don SimonsIthaca, NY From cjlowe at sssnet.com Thu Sep 23 19:15:53 2021 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54587.24.140.30.102.1632438953.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I did the same thing for ten years, I feel your pain. Five years ago I had an Amish tarp shop make a canvas cover for Country Rhodes. What a game changer. No more flapping noise in high winds, no more new tarp every year(and they aren't getting any cheaper). I can put it on in less than 10 minutes , and I'm 66 years old. Mine has a draw string all the way around the whole bottom and 7 tie downs. I had him put a zippered door above the swim ladder, for access between seasons. I wish I had done this the first year. Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over thein mast and > tied off to the trailer.?? This works reasonably well, but living in the > northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than > just a few seasons.?? Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a > reasonable cost??? Perhaps canvas vs poly??? Thanks for any suggestions. > Don SimonsIthaca, NY > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Sep 23 19:44:06 2021 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:44:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <54587.24.140.30.102.1632438953.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <54587.24.140.30.102.1632438953.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Can you share that shop?s contact info? Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:15 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: > > ?I did the same thing for ten years, I feel your pain. Five years ago I had > an Amish tarp shop make a canvas cover for Country Rhodes. What a game > changer. No more flapping noise in high winds, no more new tarp every > year(and they aren't getting any cheaper). I can put it on in less than 10 > minutes , and I'm 66 years old. Mine has a draw string all the way around > the whole bottom and 7 tie downs. I had him put a zippered door above the > swim ladder, for access between seasons. I wish I had done this the first > year. > > Jerry Lowe > S/V Country Rhodes > > > > > Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over thein mast and >> tied off to the trailer. This works reasonably well, but living in the >> northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than >> just a few seasons. Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a >> reasonable cost? Perhaps canvas vs poly? Thanks for any suggestions. >> Don SimonsIthaca, NY >> > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Sep 23 21:48:40 2021 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 21:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> I have several shelters that I use for my boats where I needed to replace tarps almost annually. Nothing seemed to last. I found a place that sells billboard vinl in large sheets. Some pieces are used and have advertising on one side but they also sell large sheets of new vinyl as well. Panels can be joined or sleves made using vinyl adhesive. The vinyl is heavy duty and lasts much longer than even the heavy duty poly tarps. I expect to get about 5 years out of mine - one has already lasted 4 years and should get me through next year. See: https://billboardtarps.com/ I have attached a picture of the shelter with the vinyl cover that I use for my Rhodes Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and tied off to the trailer. This works reasonably well, but living in the northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than just a few seasons. Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a reasonable cost? Perhaps canvas vs poly? Thanks for any suggestions. Don SimonsIthaca, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sailboat shelter.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 277870 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Fri Sep 24 00:48:50 2021 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 00:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: References: <54587.24.140.30.102.1632438953.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <55330.24.140.30.102.1632458930.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I can but I don't think it would do you any good. He does custom work, you drop off your boat and he makes a custom cover for it.I don't think he keeps his patterns. Being Amish, I don't think he has a phone, but ill find out tomorrow. I have a walkin basement, so I can store my mast and sails in the basement. I made a support out of two by fours to hold the top of the cover, sohe couldn't use my cover for a pattern, as it's much shorter than the mast. My cover was $550 five years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is double that now. I'd be willing to go see him for a price and if he has time to make it. In three weeks I could use my boat for a pattern. If there is multiple interest, we might be able to get a discount, since the rest would be just mark, cut, and sew. Jerry Lowe. Can you share that shop???s contact info? > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:15 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: >> >> ???I did the same thing for ten years, I feel your pain. Five years ago >> I had >> an Amish tarp shop make a canvas cover for Country Rhodes. What a game >> changer. No more flapping noise in high winds, no more new tarp every >> year(and they aren't getting any cheaper). I can put it on in less than >> 10 >> minutes , and I'm 66 years old. Mine has a draw string all the way >> around >> the whole bottom and 7 tie downs. I had him put a zippered door above >> the >> swim ladder, for access between seasons. I wish I had done this the >> first >> year. >> >> Jerry Lowe >> S/V Country Rhodes >> >> >> >> >> Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over thein mast >> and >>> tied off to the trailer. This works reasonably well, but living in the >>> northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more >>> than >>> just a few seasons. Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a >>> reasonable cost? Perhaps canvas vs poly? Thanks for any suggestions. >>> Don SimonsIthaca, NY >>> >> >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 25 20:25:38 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Life rail loose? Message-ID: Hi fam, So my life rail has come loose. Ideas? It's rebuilt in 2017 on a 2011. Basically the bolt is sitting in a cup/channel from where the toe rail bolts through. Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideas? > It's rebuilt in 2017 on a 2011. > > Basically the bolt is sitting in a cup/channel from where the toe rail > bolts through. > > Thanks, > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20210925_154222.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4320284 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 25 21:09:03 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Life rail loose? In-Reply-To: <3B5508B0-FE70-4582-9BAE-50F428EBDE78@verizon.net> References: <3B5508B0-FE70-4582-9BAE-50F428EBDE78@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hmmm. So a t shape? interesting. How would you access that from below without removing the deck altogether? I am not familiar with how the stanchions were installed.... On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 7:34 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Mine are a bit loose. I was thinking of having a small flange welded so it > could be through bolted like the stanchions were. > Scott 86? Rhodes22 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hi fam, > > So my life rail has come loose. Ideas? > > It's rebuilt in 2017 on a 2011. > > > > Basically the bolt is sitting in a cup/channel from where the toe rail > > bolts through. > > > > Thanks, > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20210925_154222.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4320284 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210925/38363daf/attachment.jpg > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Sep 25 21:16:56 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:16:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Life rail loose? In-Reply-To: <3B5508B0-FE70-4582-9BAE-50F428EBDE78@verizon.net> References: <3B5508B0-FE70-4582-9BAE-50F428EBDE78@verizon.net> Message-ID: Scott, The way the mounting flange has shifted relative to the caulk makes me wonder if the screw has sheared off under the flange. Or maybe the hole has become sloppy. Have you tried removing the screw? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Mine are a bit loose. I was thinking of having a small flange welded so it could be through bolted like the stanchions were. > Scott 86? Rhodes22 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> ?Hi fam, >> So my life rail has come loose. Ideas? >> It's rebuilt in 2017 on a 2011. >> >> Basically the bolt is sitting in a cup/channel from where the toe rail >> bolts through. >> >> Thanks, >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_20210925_154222.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4320284 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 25 21:39:02 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:39:02 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Life rail loose? Message-ID: >From the picture, it seems the life rail is attached by horizontal bolts through the toe rail. If so, either the bolt has sheared, or the toe rail has disintegrated. I think the latter more likely. The first step has to be to remove the life rail entirely to see what's going on. --Peter > On 2021-09-25, at 20:25:38 EDT, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Hi fam, > So my life rail has come loose. Ideas? > It's rebuilt in 2017 on a 2011. > > Basically the bolt is sitting in a cup/channel from where the toe rail bolts > through. > > Thanks, > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210925/38363daf/attachment.jpg" > target="_blank">IMG_20210925_154222.jpg > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 10:16:50 2021 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> Message-ID: <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> Graham, Thank-you for the suggestion of the billboard vinyl.? That may be a great option.? Over 10 yrs ago I purchased a Sailrite sewing machine and sewed a bimini for our Rhodes.? I just started looking at Sailrite's video of how to sew a winter cover:??https://www.sailrite.com/How-to-Make-a-Winter-Sailboat-Cover?.? Over the years I have had a great experience with Sailrite. Since I am interested in a cover that sits on the mast using the GBI crutch, sewing this cover may be a viable option. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 09:48:48 PM EDT, Graham Stewart wrote: I have several shelters that I use for my boats where I needed to replace tarps almost annually. Nothing seemed to last. I found a place that sells billboard vinl in large sheets. Some pieces are used and have advertising on one side but they also sell large sheets of new vinyl as well. Panels can be joined or sleves made using vinyl adhesive. The vinyl is heavy duty and lasts much longer than even the heavy duty poly tarps. I expect to get about 5 years out of mine - one has already lasted 4 years and should get me through next year. See: https://billboardtarps.com/ I have attached a picture of the shelter with the vinyl cover that I use for my Rhodes Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and tied off to the trailer.? This works reasonably well, but living in the northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than just a few seasons.? Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a reasonable cost?? Perhaps canvas vs poly?? Thanks for any suggestions. Don SimonsIthaca, NY From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Sep 26 11:25:01 2021 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:25:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Don, Before you start sewing, you should check your local county fairgrounds. My local Midland Co Fairgrounds offers off season storage for boats,RV?s, cars, motorcycles, etc in their animal and vender exhibit buildings. It?s indoor storage with fences and guards security. As a Midland county resident, I can store S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for 6 months for $600. I used to tarp my boat for the winter until this option became available. Indoor winter storage is a big reason why S/V Dynamic Equilibrium still looks so good after 45 years. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ? Graham, > Thank-you for the suggestion of the billboard vinyl. That may be a great option. Over 10 yrs ago I purchased a Sailrite sewing machine and sewed a bimini for our Rhodes. I just started looking at Sailrite's video of how to sew a winter cover: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sailrite.com%2FHow-to-Make-a-Winter-Sailboat-Cover&data=04%7C01%7C%7C500341d215484c57154208d980f84c70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637682626191153571%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LoizbgjwBSV%2BvqVeTSLmRJ9blWr3QNeCA4JtiQ%2B2ahw%3D&reserved=0 . Over the years I have had a great experience with Sailrite. > Since I am interested in a cover that sits on the mast using the GBI crutch, sewing this cover may be a viable option. > > Don Simons, > Ithaca, NY > On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 09:48:48 PM EDT, Graham Stewart wrote: > > I have several shelters that I use for my boats where I needed to replace tarps almost annually. Nothing seemed to last. I found a place that sells billboard vinl in large sheets. Some pieces are used and have advertising on one side but they also sell large sheets of new vinyl as well. Panels can be joined or sleves made using vinyl adhesive. The vinyl is heavy duty and lasts much longer than even the heavy duty poly tarps. I expect to get about 5 years out of mine - one has already lasted 4 years and should get me through next year. > See: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbillboardtarps.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C500341d215484c57154208d980f84c70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637682626191163524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=vBcnS%2B3gxDhMjyHT56UghVb8xIF%2BKHDb7AKOdLCuksg%3D&reserved=0 > I have attached a picture of the shelter with the vinyl cover that I use for my Rhodes > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:05 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover > > Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and tied off to the trailer. This works reasonably well, but living in the northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than just a few seasons. Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a reasonable cost? Perhaps canvas vs poly? Thanks for any suggestions. > Don SimonsIthaca, NY > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 27 00:58:15 2021 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57086.24.140.30.102.1632718695.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> You might want to rethink using the mast crutch, that's going to add a lot more canvas tu the project. If you remove the crutch and rest the mast on he stern rail, it will greatly reduce the material and cut down the wind resistance. Jerry Lowe Graham, > Thank-you for the suggestion of the billboard vinyl.?? That may be a great > option.?? Over 10 yrs ago I purchased a Sailrite sewing machine and sewed > a bimini for our Rhodes.?? I just started looking at Sailrite's video of > how to sew a winter > cover:????https://www.sailrite.com/How-to-Make-a-Winter-Sailboat-Cover??.?? > Over the years I have had a great experience with Sailrite. > Since I am interested in a cover that sits on the mast using the GBI > crutch, sewing this cover may be a viable option. > > Don Simons, > Ithaca, NY > On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 09:48:48 PM EDT, Graham Stewart > wrote: > > I have several shelters that I use for my boats where I needed to replace > tarps almost annually. Nothing seemed to last. I found a place that sells > billboard vinl in large sheets. Some pieces are used and have advertising > on one side but they also sell large sheets of new vinyl as well. Panels > can be joined or sleves made using vinyl adhesive. The vinyl is heavy > duty and lasts much longer than even the heavy duty poly tarps. I expect > to get about 5 years out of mine - one has already lasted 4 years and > should get me through next year. > See: https://billboardtarps.com/ > I have attached a picture of the shelter with the vinyl cover that I use > for my Rhodes > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:05 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover > > Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and > tied off to the trailer.?? This works reasonably well, but living in the > northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than > just a few seasons.?? Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a > reasonable cost??? Perhaps canvas vs poly??? Thanks for any suggestions. > Don SimonsIthaca, NY > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu Sep 23 18:39:50 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 18:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES GEAR Message-ID: <00be01d7b3ae$263f4100$72bdc300$@hughes.net> The first shipments of Rhodes 22 caps and shirts have gone out. They look pretty good. Hope the guys that ordered like them! There are a few caps remaining for immediate shipment. Cost is $23.00 + $5.00 shipping (Instead of $10!) $29.00. If we get more than 10, I can order another supply. If you wish to order, email me offline with item (cap or polo), quantity, and color (White or Navy) ORDER VIA EMAIL: Subject: RHODES 22 WEAR TO: joedempsey at hughes.net Qty______ Ball Cap (s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) @ $23.00 each INDICATE ADDITIONAL TEXT ON BALL CAP: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ if desired. $12.00 Once ordered, I'll send you an invoice thru PayPal. Please include your shipping address and vessel name. From jayf401 at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 11:03:46 2021 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:03:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES GEAR In-Reply-To: <00be01d7b3ae$263f4100$72bdc300$@hughes.net> References: <00be01d7b3ae$263f4100$72bdc300$@hughes.net> Message-ID: <405BC140-7F1E-44B3-A88E-A58567704A1D@gmail.com> Joe, I had a couple of questions. I didn?t catch if there were any photos of the caps. I?m interested in a Navy, and would be interested if the back can be embroidered with my boat ?Wanderlust? in script font. Let me know & What else you need to place the order. Thanks. Jay Friedland Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > ?The first shipments of Rhodes 22 caps and shirts have gone out. They look > pretty good. > > Hope the guys that ordered like them! There are a few caps remaining for > immediate shipment. Cost is $23.00 + $5.00 shipping (Instead of $10!) > $29.00. If we get more than 10, I can order another supply. > > If you wish to order, email me offline with item (cap or polo), quantity, > and color (White or Navy) > > > > ORDER VIA EMAIL: > > > > > > Subject: RHODES 22 WEAR > > > > TO: joedempsey at > hughes.net > > > > Qty______ Ball Cap (s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) > > @ $23.00 each > > > > > > INDICATE ADDITIONAL TEXT ON BALL CAP: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ if desired. > > $12.00 > > > > Once ordered, I'll send you an invoice thru PayPal. Please include your > shipping address and vessel name. > > > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 11:35:01 2021 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover In-Reply-To: <57086.24.140.30.102.1632718695.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <2040686360.452911.1632416699879.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2040686360.452911.1632416699879@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d7b0e6$4f318110$ed948330$@ca> <980153740.926356.1632665810074@mail.yahoo.com> <57086.24.140.30.102.1632718695.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1081339389.1104152.1632756901933@mail.yahoo.com> Although the crutch uses more material, it results in a steep cover angle so that snow tends to slide off.? I usually brush off any significant snow accumulation with a broom. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Monday, September 27, 2021, 12:58:23 AM EDT, wrote: You might want to rethink using the mast crutch, that's going to add a lot more canvas tu the project. If you remove the crutch and rest the mast on he stern rail, it will greatly reduce the material and cut down the wind resistance. Jerry Lowe ? Graham, > Thank-you for the suggestion of the billboard vinyl.?? That may be a great > option.?? Over 10 yrs ago I purchased a Sailrite sewing machine and sewed > a bimini for our Rhodes.?? I just started looking at Sailrite's video of > how to sew a winter > cover:????https://www.sailrite.com/How-to-Make-a-Winter-Sailboat-Cover??.?? > Over the years I have had a great experience with Sailrite. > Since I am interested in a cover that sits on the mast using the GBI > crutch, sewing this cover may be a viable option. > > Don Simons, > Ithaca, NY >? ? On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 09:48:48 PM EDT, Graham Stewart > wrote: > >? I have several shelters that I use for my boats where I needed to replace > tarps almost annually. Nothing seemed to last. I found a place that sells > billboard vinl in large sheets. Some pieces are used and have advertising > on one side but they also sell large sheets of new vinyl as well. Panels > can be joined or sleves made using vinyl adhesive. The vinyl is heavy > duty and lasts much longer than even the heavy duty poly tarps. I expect > to get about 5 years out of mine - one has already lasted 4 years and > should get me through next year. > See: https://billboardtarps.com/ > I have attached a picture of the shelter with the vinyl cover that I use > for my Rhodes > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 1:05 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Cover > > Over the years I store our Rhodes outside with a tarp over the mast and > tied off to the trailer.?? This works reasonably well, but living in the > northeast I find the silver tarps from Harbor Freight don't last more than > just a few seasons.?? Has anyone found a source for quality tarps at a > reasonable cost??? Perhaps canvas vs poly??? Thanks for any suggestions. > Don SimonsIthaca, NY > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 10:06:02 2021 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Broken Gooseneck Message-ID: At the beginning of the season I noticed that all parts of the gooseneck were badly bent. I straightened out the boom piece and replaced the rest with what looked like an equivalent small boat gooseneck. It had a 1/4" rod which I threaded and bolted through the black slider. Yesterday that rod broke from the U fitting. We had been on a broad reach in 20 knts with a heavily reefed main and the boom vang on. All jibes were controlled. Repair will have to wait until we return from the Chesapeake to NJ. Has anyone else had a problem with their gooseneck? Does anyone have a spare they would sell? I may ask a machinist to fabricate a beefed up version. How does one search the current list? I did it a lot on a Nabble. Best Regards Jeff Smith Radiant, Hull 101 '09/16 www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 28 12:57:12 2021 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Broken Gooseneck Message-ID: Jeff, I too found that I had overloaded my gooseneck and reduced it to bits of tangled metal. I rebuilt mine using heavier duty parts that I ordered from Dwyer (dwyermast.com). I made a YouTube video in which I talk about the parts used for the rebuild and how to find them on the Dwyer website (in excruciating detail). I did a quick check, and the parts still seem to be available. You can find the video here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2021-09-28, at 10:06:02 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > > At the beginning of the season I noticed that all parts of the gooseneck were > badly bent. I straightened out the boom piece and replaced the rest with what > looked like an equivalent small boat gooseneck. It had a 1/4" rod which I > threaded and bolted through the black slider. Yesterday that rod broke from the > U fitting. We had been on a broad reach in 20 knts with a heavily reefed main > and the boom vang on. All jibes were controlled. Repair will have to wait until > we return from the Chesapeake to NJ. Has anyone else had a problem with their > gooseneck? > Does anyone have a spare they would sell? > I may ask a machinist to fabricate a beefed up version. > How does one search the current list? I did it a lot on a Nabble. > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > Radiant, Hull 101 '09/16 > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Sep 29 11:01:23 2021 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:01:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR Message-ID: <023601d7b543$2ecd1ef0$8c675cd0$@hughes.net> Jay, I just picked this up. Here are ordering instructions and some photos. The way it works is you tell me what you want and I will email you (offline) an invoice thru PayPal. Once you have paid PayPal, I will send your hat. Since you've already said what you want, I'll go ahead and send you the PayPal invoice tonight. It may take two weeks to get the hat to you, but I'll do my best. RHODES 22 WEAR Caps and Polo Shirts for Rhodes' Owners and Crew Ball Caps: SHOW PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP OF THE CLASSIC RHODES 22 SLOOP. THE BALL CAP IS MADE OF COTTON FABRIC WITH ADJUSTABLE STRAP AND BUCKLE ON THE REAR. EMBROIDERED WITH THE RHODES 22 BURGEE AND TEXT "RHODES 22". AVAILABLE IN NAVY OR WHITE, ONE SIZE FITS ALL. $23.00 Plus $10.00 shipping.* ADDITIONAL TEXT ON REAR AS SHOWN: ADD $12.00 Polo Shirts: CHOICE OF 65/35 5 oz. POLY/COTTON 3 BUTTON CLASSIC POLO SHIRT IN NAVY OR WHITE. SIZES SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, X-LARGE OR XX-LARGE with RHODES 22 BURGEE LOGO ON LEFT BREAST. $30.00 + SHIPPING 100% COTTON SHIRT AVAILABLE: ADD $4.00 ORDER VIA EMAIL: Subject: RHODES 22 WEAR TO: joedempsey at hughes.net Qty______ Ball Cap (s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) @ $23.00 each INDICATE ADDITIONAL TEXT ON BALL CAP: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ if desired. @ $12.00 Qty______ POLY/COTTON Polo shirt(s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) Size ______ @ $30.00 each Small, Medium, Large, X-Large, XX-Large Qty______ 100% COTTON Polo shirt(s) Color ______ (NAVY OR WHITE) Size ______ @ $34.00 each You will receive an Invoice from PayPal to complete and make payment with a credit card. 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Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4752 bytes Desc: not available URL: From koatimundi100 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 13:37:39 2021 From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:37:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need R22 Cradle Specs Message-ID: I need a drawing and specs for the R22 cradle. I'm having a new dock and lift installed, and I'd like to have the cradle built and installed while the lift goes in. Catch-22: my dock company won't take measurements off my Triad trailer while Aeolia is on it, and Aeolia must stay on it until I have a usable lift. I don't have or want bottom paint. I know from experience that In Florida stuff starts growing on the hull in a week. I hope someone can provide a drawing with dimensions. I've contacted Mike Orro and he's sending a very very old drawing: he says that the Triad R22 cradle is built from memory! An alternative would be to find a trailer near me (Palmetto, Florida) and take dimensions from that. Many thanks -- *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu Sep 30 14:00:48 2021 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need R22 Cradle Specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter... I have one for sale/templating. Reach me off list to discuss. On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 12:37 PM peter klappert wrote: > I need a drawing and specs for the R22 cradle. I'm having a new dock and > lift installed, and I'd like to have the cradle built and installed while > the lift goes in. > > Catch-22: my dock company won't take measurements off my Triad trailer > while Aeolia is on it, and Aeolia must stay on it until I have a usable > lift. I don't have or want bottom paint. I know from experience that In > Florida stuff starts growing on the hull in a week. > > I hope someone can provide a drawing with dimensions. I've contacted Mike > Orro and he's sending a very very old drawing: he says that the Triad R22 > cradle is built from memory! > > An alternative would be to find a trailer near me (Palmetto, Florida) and > take dimensions from that. > > Many thanks > > -- > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 15:11:59 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need R22 Cradle Specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are dimensioned sketches of the Traid trailer in the archives, that could be referenced to build yourself a cradle. They were originally posted about Feb 2003. Todd T. On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:01 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Peter... I have one for sale/templating. Reach me off list to discuss. > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 12:37 PM peter klappert > wrote: > > > I need a drawing and specs for the R22 cradle. I'm having a new dock and > > lift installed, and I'd like to have the cradle built and installed while > > the lift goes in. > > > > Catch-22: my dock company won't take measurements off my Triad trailer > > while Aeolia is on it, and Aeolia must stay on it until I have a usable > > lift. I don't have or want bottom paint. I know from experience that In > > Florida stuff starts growing on the hull in a week. > > > > I hope someone can provide a drawing with dimensions. I've contacted Mike > > Orro and he's sending a very very old drawing: he says that the Triad R22 > > cradle is built from memory! > > > > An alternative would be to find a trailer near me (Palmetto, Florida) and > > take dimensions from that. > > > > Many thanks > > > > -- > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 15:14:05 2021 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:14:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need R22 Cradle Specs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2004-April/014046.html On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 3:11 PM Todd Tavares wrote: > There are dimensioned sketches of the Traid trailer in the archives, that > could be referenced to build yourself a cradle. > They were originally posted about Feb 2003. > > Todd T. > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 2:01 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >> Peter... I have one for sale/templating. Reach me off list to discuss. >> >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 12:37 PM peter klappert >> wrote: >> >> > I need a drawing and specs for the R22 cradle. I'm having a new dock and >> > lift installed, and I'd like to have the cradle built and installed >> while >> > the lift goes in. >> > >> > Catch-22: my dock company won't take measurements off my Triad trailer >> > while Aeolia is on it, and Aeolia must stay on it until I have a usable >> > lift. I don't have or want bottom paint. I know from experience that In >> > Florida stuff starts growing on the hull in a week. >> > >> > I hope someone can provide a drawing with dimensions. I've contacted >> Mike >> > Orro and he's sending a very very old drawing: he says that the Triad >> R22 >> > cradle is built from memory! >> > >> > An alternative would be to find a trailer near me (Palmetto, Florida) >> and >> > take dimensions from that. >> > >> > Many thanks >> > >> > -- >> > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* >> > >> > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* >> > >> > From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 22:34:35 2021 From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So excited! References: <49374885-FDF2-4318-923D-3082E14AD3F0.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49374885-FDF2-4318-923D-3082E14AD3F0@yahoo.com> Going for prepurchase inspection and sea trial Tuesday morning. The more I read about the R22 the more I feel like I?ve made the right choice. I?ve tried remain objective but mostly just really excited. Unless it sinks I?ll be proud owner of 2002 R22! Sent from my iPhone From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 23:59:50 2021 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 06:59:50 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So excited! In-Reply-To: <49374885-FDF2-4318-923D-3082E14AD3F0@yahoo.com> References: <49374885-FDF2-4318-923D-3082E14AD3F0.ref@yahoo.com> <49374885-FDF2-4318-923D-3082E14AD3F0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Wilson! You have indeed made a great choice. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS, Kos, Greece On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:34, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Going for prepurchase inspection and sea trial Tuesday morning. The more I > read about the R22 the more I feel like I?ve made the right choice. I?ve > tried remain objective but mostly just really excited. Unless it sinks I?ll > be proud owner of 2002 R22! > > Sent from my iPhone >