From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Jan  1 05:46:48 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:46:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
	cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <0cb901d7fe9c$6ca624e0$45f26ea0$@gmail.com>
References: <0cb901d7fe9c$6ca624e0$45f26ea0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BDAB4C8-9910-49B2-A223-76D0246B0D1B@stottarchitecture.com>

I simply screwed a 12? x 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 piece of mahogany to the deck. No thickening required  
I can still lift/slide. The tank over the retainer strip to pull it out. 
It works perfectly. 
HAPPY NEW YEAR RHODIES!!!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 11:16 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
> 
> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
> 
> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
> 
> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 06:33:12 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 06:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wikipedia Rhodes 22 Description
In-Reply-To: <E09BCA33-BA86-489C-907C-31A3DE97D8F5@me.com>
References: <E09BCA33-BA86-489C-907C-31A3DE97D8F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <81CEF66E-1D25-437C-9F46-9B71F3C30020@yahoo.com>

Mine was delivered new in May 2014.  Best $45k I ever spent.  
  
  
Wishing everyone fair winds & following seas in 2022!
  
  
Larry

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?My boat was delivered new in 2014 - not sure when the hull was laid.
> 
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> Shelter Island NY
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 3:56 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Mine was in 2006. I?m pretty sure he built a new hull for Bill Effort in 2011. Others may know of later ones.
>> 
>> Dave B
>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2021, at 5:22 PM, <Joedempsey at hughes.net> <Joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know when Stan laid down the last hull? 
>>> 
>> 


From lscott02 at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  1 10:02:28 2022
From: lscott02 at roadrunner.com (Linda Scott)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to thecockpit
 sole?
In-Reply-To: <1BDAB4C8-9910-49B2-A223-76D0246B0D1B@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <0cb901d7fe9c$6ca624e0$45f26ea0$@gmail.com>
 <1BDAB4C8-9910-49B2-A223-76D0246B0D1B@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1605.1641049350.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Mike,

To avoid any drilling or gluing, I simply attached two adhesive-backed tie-down rings to the sole, under the seat.  A strap thru the rings and around the gas tank has secured my tank for years.
I can?t remember where I got my tie-downs, but McMaster-Carr offers them, as does NRS.  I think a common use for these attachment points, or d-rings, is to secure gear on SUP boards.

Steve.
Granville, OH
2010 Rhodes 22



From: Ric Stott
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 5:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to thecockpit sole?

I simply screwed a 12? x 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 piece of mahogany to the deck. No thickening required  
I can still lift/slide. The tank over the retainer strip to pull it out. 
It works perfectly. 
HAPPY NEW YEAR RHODIES!!!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 11:16 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
> 
> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
> 
> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
> 
> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 10:23:14 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:23:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to thecockpit
	sole?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1605.1641049350.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1605.1641049350.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <829CF626-B58F-4E24-A46C-7DC6B49EA9B0@gmail.com>

Thanks Steve and Ric for the good suggestions. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 10:02 AM, Linda Scott <lscott02 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> To avoid any drilling or gluing, I simply attached two adhesive-backed tie-down rings to the sole, under the seat.  A strap thru the rings and around the gas tank has secured my tank for years.
> I can?t remember where I got my tie-downs, but McMaster-Carr offers them, as does NRS.  I think a common use for these attachment points, or d-rings, is to secure gear on SUP boards.
> 
> Steve.
> Granville, OH
> 2010 Rhodes 22
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ric Stott
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 5:46 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to thecockpit sole?
> 
> I simply screwed a 12? x 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 piece of mahogany to the deck. No thickening required  
> I can still lift/slide. The tank over the retainer strip to pull it out. 
> It works perfectly. 
> HAPPY NEW YEAR RHODIES!!!
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 11:16 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
>> 
>> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
>> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
>> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
>> 
>> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
>> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
>> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
>> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
>> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
>> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
>> 
>> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
>> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
>> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 09:24:07 2022
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
 cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <0cb901d7fe9c$6ca624e0$45f26ea0$@gmail.com>
References: <0cb901d7fe9c$6ca624e0$45f26ea0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CFEBC5B-4572-4B4C-9E60-080308BF223A@gmail.com>

Hi Mike. On my boat there is a GBI-installed strip of Starboard on the cockpit sole under the starboard seat that creates a ridge that matches a groove in the gas tank. There is a line and pin that sits in the groove on the top side of the tank and attaches to the Starboard on each end. I?ve never had a problem with the tank moving.

Dave Bradley
  

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
> 
> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
> 
> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
> 
> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 10:55:39 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
	cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <8CFEBC5B-4572-4B4C-9E60-080308BF223A@gmail.com>
References: <8CFEBC5B-4572-4B4C-9E60-080308BF223A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <730B5A4B-8E35-43D6-BF91-7B5E59DEC1F8@gmail.com>

Thanks Dave.  One question, aren?t  your tank and outboard on the port side of the boat?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 9:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mike. On my boat there is a GBI-installed strip of Starboard on the cockpit sole under the starboard seat that creates a ridge that matches a groove in the gas tank. There is a line and pin that sits in the groove on the top side of the tank and attaches to the Starboard on each end. I?ve never had a problem with the tank moving.
> 
> Dave Bradley
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
>> 
>> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
>> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
>> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
>> 
>> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
>> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
>> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
>> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
>> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
>> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
>> 
>> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
>> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
>> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 12:38:31 2022
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:38:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
 cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <730B5A4B-8E35-43D6-BF91-7B5E59DEC1F8@gmail.com>
References: <8CFEBC5B-4572-4B4C-9E60-080308BF223A@gmail.com>
 <730B5A4B-8E35-43D6-BF91-7B5E59DEC1F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <726B1301-B8B6-47C4-A237-A862984714E8@gmail.com>

You know what, yes, they are. So focused on not confusing Starboard the material with starboard the side that I neglected not to write starboard. Not my last mistake of 2022.

Dave

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:55 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave.  One question, aren?t  your tank and outboard on the port side of the boat?
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 9:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Mike. On my boat there is a GBI-installed strip of Starboard on the cockpit sole under the starboard seat that creates a ridge that matches a groove in the gas tank. There is a line and pin that sits in the groove on the top side of the tank and attaches to the Starboard on each end. I?ve never had a problem with the tank moving.
>> 
>> Dave Bradley
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
>>> 
>>> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
>>> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
>>> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
>>> 
>>> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
>>> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
>>> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
>>> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
>>> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
>>> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
>>> 
>>> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
>>> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
>>> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>> Allatoona Lake
>>> Acworth, GA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Jan  2 16:22:12 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
	cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <726B1301-B8B6-47C4-A237-A862984714E8@gmail.com>
References: <726B1301-B8B6-47C4-A237-A862984714E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <352B232C-4DD8-4E95-9451-8377FF60B7A7@verizon.net>

Mine is the same as David?s and has worked great.
Scott 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 12:38 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You know what, yes, they are. So focused on not confusing Starboard the material with starboard the side that I neglected not to write starboard. Not my last mistake of 2022.
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:55 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Dave.  One question, aren?t  your tank and outboard on the port side of the boat?
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 9:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi Mike. On my boat there is a GBI-installed strip of Starboard on the cockpit sole under the starboard seat that creates a ridge that matches a groove in the gas tank. There is a line and pin that sits in the groove on the top side of the tank and attaches to the Starboard on each end. I?ve never had a problem with the tank moving.
>>> 
>>> Dave Bradley
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
>>>> 
>>>> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
>>>> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
>>>> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
>>>> 
>>>> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
>>>> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
>>>> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
>>>> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
>>>> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
>>>> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
>>>> 
>>>> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
>>>> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
>>>> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike McKay
>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>> Acworth, GA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 16:39:47 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas tank retaining strip attached to the
	cockpit sole?
In-Reply-To: <352B232C-4DD8-4E95-9451-8377FF60B7A7@verizon.net>
References: <352B232C-4DD8-4E95-9451-8377FF60B7A7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C0A41784-3F2B-4AB6-8A25-118826B0A43D@gmail.com>

Thanks Scott. I?m going to try to replicate that. Any chance you or Dave could send me a picture?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Mine is the same as David?s and has worked great.
> Scott 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 12:38 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?You know what, yes, they are. So focused on not confusing Starboard the material with starboard the side that I neglected not to write starboard. Not my last mistake of 2022.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:55 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Dave.  One question, aren?t  your tank and outboard on the port side of the boat?
>>> 
>>> Michael McKay
>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2022, at 9:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Hi Mike. On my boat there is a GBI-installed strip of Starboard on the cockpit sole under the starboard seat that creates a ridge that matches a groove in the gas tank. There is a line and pin that sits in the groove on the top side of the tank and attaches to the Starboard on each end. I?ve never had a problem with the tank moving.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Bradley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy New Year fellow Rhodies!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have found that my gas tank has a tendency to slide out from under the
>>>>> seat when I'm heeling hard to starboard.  I want to install a retaining
>>>>> strip on the cockpit sole to prevent that.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am aware of the more sophisticated solutions that have been documented
>>>>> previously in the forum for installing a metal retaining rod under the
>>>>> seats--I had actually planned on doing that.  However, I subsequently found
>>>>> that the 30qt Weathertight Totes from the Container Store (Item # 10050818)
>>>>> don't slip out even when at maximum heal.  So I'd rather just install a
>>>>> simple retaining strip for the gas tank.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My plan is to first drill larger holes than needed, fill those with
>>>>> thickened epoxy, and then drill through the epoxy to attaching the retaining
>>>>> strip.  Does this sound reasonable?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike McKay
>>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>>> Acworth, GA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jan  5 17:08:57 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 17:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
Message-ID: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.

 

Does anyone know who she belongs to?

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)

 

 

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jan  5 18:33:37 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 23:33:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920CC9D76FAC338B58A572A804B9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mike,

It?s too bad you couldn?t get a hull number off the transom.  Although the authorities could get an owner?s name & address by running the W/C registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the St. Maarten police dept., there?s not much info there.  It?s interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don?t do that in St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?

It?s obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I?d love to see more details on that dodger!  It?s got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I?m guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental ? mid to late 1970?s.

I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St. Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.



Does anyone know who she belongs to?



Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)





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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jan  5 21:18:12 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 21:18:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <010601d802a3$a94de990$fbe9bcb0$@ca>

What a beautiful place to sail.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.

 

Does anyone know who she belongs to?

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)

 

 

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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jan  6 10:20:00 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:20:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920CC9D76FAC338B58A572A804B9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985DAEB850DAD5998619B7EC14C9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.  The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.  They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Mike,

It?s too bad you couldn?t get a hull number off the transom.  Although the authorities could get an owner?s name & address by running the W/C registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the St. Maarten police dept., there?s not much info there.  It?s interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don?t do that in St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?

It?s obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I?d love to see more details on that dodger!  It?s got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I?m guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental ? mid to late 1970?s.

I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St. Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ccdfd343c6e9848df4cfc08d9d0a3cfa1%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C637770224834998043%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&amp;sdata=x7zZi6VLe6b1zO7XpSTQ64eG72y9qafiDVTW8Legbg8%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.



Does anyone know who she belongs to?



Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)





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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jan  6 13:40:14 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920CC9D76FAC338B58A572A804B9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001101d80280$d6eb8ba0$84c2a2e0$@ebsmed.com>
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I volunteer to return to St. Maarten to properly photograph the Rhodes.
Let's see .... how does one create a go fund me site?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Mike,

It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?

It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.

I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.



Does anyone know who she belongs to?



Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)





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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jan  6 18:05:27 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 23:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <002801d8032c$d8a25030$89e6f090$@ebsmed.com>
References: <002801d8032c$d8a25030$89e6f090$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920886973D76F6B0EEFAF7D804C9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,

The 2nd thru hull is probably a direct marine head sewage discharge!  These have been illegal in US waters for as long as I can remember.  However, they are still OK in much of the 3rd world and in international waters.  Because of this direct sewage discharge, I wonder if this Rhodes spent all its life in St. Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 1:40 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I volunteer to return to St. Maarten to properly photograph the Rhodes.
> Let's see .... how does one create a go fund me site?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
> authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
> St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
> there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
> registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
> how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> 
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
> and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
> folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
> guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
> 
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C98a4410732904080398308d9d1440039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637770912274130436%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=7ANpbv2VYtMP4hlk0xV8e7wsRFw%2FltS0dlAeTeNyZNY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
> 
> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
> shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
> guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
> SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
> the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> 
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jan  6 19:16:36 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 19:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985DAEB850DAD5998619B7EC14C9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. One is
for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does not have the
forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have been added by the
owner.


Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.
They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER
PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Mike,

It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?

It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.

I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.



Does anyone know who she belongs to?



Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)





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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jan  7 09:24:26 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:24:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. One is
for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does not have the
forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have been added by the
owner.


Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.
They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER
PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Mike,

It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?

It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.

I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
Maarten.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.



Does anyone know who she belongs to?



Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)





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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 13:01:22 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 18:01:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Hi Rob,

My ?76 is setup just like yours with a single thru hull and the bilge pump and galley sink plumbed to it.  Minimizing the number of thru hulls is always a good idea.  However, it?s not considered good practice to plumb grey water like a sink drain or a bilge pump together with raw sewage, hence the 2 separate thru hulls.

As long as there is a siphon break loop, the height above the waterline of the thru hulls is OK.  Even on our boats, on port tack, the thru hull can be submerged and there is a potential to siphon water back into the cabin.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. One is
> for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does not have the
> forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have been added by the
> owner.
> 
> 
> Graham
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
> assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.
> They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
> 
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER
> PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
> authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
> St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
> there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
> registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
> how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> 
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
> and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
> folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
> guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
> 
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
> shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
> guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
> SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to circle
> the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> 
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 13:03:08 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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My 76 has the higher thru hull that Rob described as well as the two
forward-facing opening ports. They must have been added though because the
design collects water.  Can someone enlighten me about the mainsheet
arrangement? It looks nearly vertical and forward of the transom?

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up on
> the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. One
> is
> for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does not have the
> forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have been added by the
> owner.
>
>
> Graham
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
> assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with
> two.
> They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
>
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> ROGER
> PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although the
> authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice in the
> St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's interesting
> there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull following the W/C
> registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in St. Maarten.  But, then,
> how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
>
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a Bimini top
> and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there is some sort of
> folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  I'm
> guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
>
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from
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> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while on a
> shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't believe that our
> guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 22, registration
> SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did not have time to
> circle
> the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jan  7 15:20:55 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:20:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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I was looking through some old photos and ran across these.  One is the bilge pump to sink drain connection.  Notice the bilge pump line and how high it does to give you the siphon break Roger is talking about.  The second is the old wire traveler that was used. The current bar traveler is a great improvement! - Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Rob,

My ?76 is setup just like yours with a single thru hull and the bilge pump and galley sink plumbed to it.  Minimizing the number of thru hulls is always a good idea.  However, it?s not considered good practice to plumb grey water like a sink drain or a bilge pump together with raw sewage, hence the 2 separate thru hulls.

As long as there is a siphon break loop, the height above the waterline of the thru hulls is OK.  Even on our boats, on port tack, the thru hull can be submerged and there is a potential to siphon water back into the cabin.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up 
> on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. 
> One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does 
> not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have 
> been added by the owner.
> 
> 
> Graham
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's 
> assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.
> They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
> 
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
> ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although 
> the authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C 
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice 
> in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's 
> interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull 
> following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in 
> St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> 
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a 
> Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there 
> is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  
> I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
> 
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from
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> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> 
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while 
> on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't 
> believe that our guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 
> 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did 
> not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> 
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jan  7 15:24:17 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:24:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Brain,
I believe Stan added the front ports to the design at one time so they are probably original.  My 76 had them.  Early boats did not.  They have always collected water.  Does yours have snaps around them?  There used to be some covers that attached using snaps that were supposed to keep the water off of them. - Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Brian Ferguson
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:03 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

My 76 has the higher thru hull that Rob described as well as the two forward-facing opening ports. They must have been added though because the design collects water.  Can someone enlighten me about the mainsheet arrangement? It looks nearly vertical and forward of the transom?

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up 
> on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo. 
> One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does 
> not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have 
> been added by the owner.
>
>
> Graham
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's 
> assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat 
> with two.
> They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
>
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
> ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although 
> the authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C 
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice 
> in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's 
> interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull 
> following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in 
> St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
>
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a 
> Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there 
> is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.  
> I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
>
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from
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> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while 
> on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't 
> believe that our guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes 
> 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did 
> not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the 
> transom.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
>
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From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 15:35:19 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Rob,
Snaps would be great and will probably be the plan going forward. Right now
there are two wood "caps" where the PO routed a channel that lined up with
the port. I will send a picture later.  Stan told me my hull was contracted
so I wasn't sure if all molds were the same for '76.   My mainsheet
traveler was a frankenstein setup of aluminum angles and such. I posted the
setup a year or two ago to Nabble. I'm thinking I will buy the current
setup when I replace the rear stays. I'm in the middle of the refit. I just
finished securing the sixty bolts holding the CB cover after replacing the
line and blocks underneath.  No one should ever do that more than once. Did
anyone else ever have two removable copper pipes centering their CB?
Brian

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:24 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Brain,
> I believe Stan added the front ports to the design at one time so they are
> probably original.  My 76 had them.  Early boats did not.  They have always
> collected water.  Does yours have snaps around them?  There used to be some
> covers that attached using snaps that were supposed to keep the water off
> of them. - Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Brian Ferguson
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:03 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the higher thru hull that Rob described as well as the two
> forward-facing opening ports. They must have been added though because the
> design collects water.  Can someone enlighten me about the mainsheet
> arrangement? It looks nearly vertical and forward of the transom?
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up
> > on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo.
> > One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does
> > not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have
> > been added by the owner.
> >
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
> > assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> > The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat
> > with two.
> > They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
> >
> > Rob
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although
> > the authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
> > registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice
> > in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's
> > interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull
> > following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in
> > St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> >
> > It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a
> > Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there
> > is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a
> lot of sense for
> > ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> > that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.
> > I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late
> 1970's.
> >
> > I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in
> St.
> > Maarten.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from
> > Mail<
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> > From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while
> > on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't
> > believe that our guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes
> > 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did
> > not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the
> > transom.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > I'd rather be sailing :~)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jan  7 15:58:01 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:58:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Brian,

The molds didn't determine if the forward opening ports were installed. In 1980 when I contracted with Stan for delivery of my '81 Rhodes 22, the ports were an option to provide airflow through the cabin. He laid a template over the deck, cut the holes, and set the ports. By the way, the ports were sealed to the deck with clear GE Silicone, which always failed to adhere to the fiberglass over time. The material was designed to be compressed as a gasket, not as filler. The leaks at the ports were complicated by the tendency to hold water when closed which always found its way past the internal screen/seal, no matter the age of the screen or how much the closed port was tightened. Snaps and canvas covers fixed the issue on my 1991 Rhodes.

Stan used two 1-1/2" pieces of 1/2" hose to hold the centerboard pivot in position. I have not seen copper pipes.

The mainsheet arrangement on the St. Maarten craft seems very much like the one that I had on my 1981 Rhodes. Instead of a traveler, the mainsheet was attached to a sheave on a line between the two backstays (see attached images). My 1991 R22 has the newer traveler which is a vast improvement.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Brian Ferguson
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 3:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Rob,
Snaps would be great and will probably be the plan going forward. Right now there are two wood "caps" where the PO routed a channel that lined up with the port. I will send a picture later.  Stan told me my hull was contracted
so I wasn't sure if all molds were the same for '76.   My mainsheet
traveler was a frankenstein setup of aluminum angles and such. I posted the setup a year or two ago to Nabble. I'm thinking I will buy the current setup when I replace the rear stays. I'm in the middle of the refit. I just finished securing the sixty bolts holding the CB cover after replacing the line and blocks underneath.  No one should ever do that more than once. Did anyone else ever have two removable copper pipes centering their CB?
Brian

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:24 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Brain,
> I believe Stan added the front ports to the design at one time so they 
> are probably original.  My 76 had them.  Early boats did not.  They 
> have always collected water.  Does yours have snaps around them?  
> There used to be some covers that attached using snaps that were 
> supposed to keep the water off of them. - Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Brian Ferguson
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:03 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the higher thru hull that Rob described as well as the two 
> forward-facing opening ports. They must have been added though because 
> the design collects water.  Can someone enlighten me about the 
> mainsheet arrangement? It looks nearly vertical and forward of the transom?
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher 
> > up on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf 
> > of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo.
> > One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat 
> > does not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could 
> > have been added by the owner.
> >
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's 
> > assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> > The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat 
> > with two.
> > They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
> >
> > Rob
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf 
> > of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  
> > Although the authorities could get an owner's name & address by 
> > running the W/C registration number thru their data base, unless you 
> > have some juice in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much 
> > info there.  It's interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck 
> > to the hull following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't 
> > do that in St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> >
> > It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a 
> > Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there 
> > is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would 
> > make a
> lot of sense for
> > ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> > that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.
> > I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late
> 1970's.
> >
> > I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be 
> > in
> St.
> > Maarten.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from
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> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 
> > while on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We 
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> > maintained Rhodes 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures 
> > (attached). We did not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if 
> > there was a name on the transom.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > I'd rather be sailing :~)
> >
> >
> >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jan  7 18:15:10 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:15:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Hi Rob,

You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those hoses fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and definitely cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Lowe, Rob<mailto:rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 3:21 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

I was looking through some old photos and ran across these.  One is the bilge pump to sink drain connection.  Notice the bilge pump line and how high it does to give you the siphon break Roger is talking about.  The second is the old wire traveler that was used. The current bar traveler is a great improvement! - Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Rob,

My ?76 is setup just like yours with a single thru hull and the bilge pump and galley sink plumbed to it.  Minimizing the number of thru hulls is always a good idea.  However, it?s not considered good practice to plumb grey water like a sink drain or a bilge pump together with raw sewage, hence the 2 separate thru hulls.

As long as there is a siphon break loop, the height above the waterline of the thru hulls is OK.  Even on our boats, on port tack, the thru hull can be submerged and there is a potential to siphon water back into the cabin.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> ?Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher up
> on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo.
> One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat does
> not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could have
> been added by the owner.
>
>
> Graham
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's
> assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat with two.
> They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
>
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  Although
> the authorities could get an owner's name & address by running the W/C
> registration number thru their data base, unless you have some juice
> in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much info there.  It's
> interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck to the hull
> following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't do that in
> St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
>
> It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a
> Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there
> is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would make a lot of sense for
> ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.
> I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late 1970's.
>
> I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be in St.
> Maarten.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from
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> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 while
> on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We couldn't
> believe that our guide took us right past a nicely maintained Rhodes
> 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures (attached). We did
> not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if there was a name on the transom.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know who she belongs to?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jan  7 21:17:23 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2022 18:17:23 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
Message-ID: <E1n61IJ-002Ip7-TA@s152.servername.online>

Roger,

Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a valve on that thru hull.

BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
> 
> You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those hoses 
> fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and definitely 
> cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic 
> Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987. 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 11:52:34 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 16:52:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Hi Peter,

If you check any reference on best principles and practices for thru hulls, they all specify a ? turn full port (i.e. no obstruction to flow when the valve is 100% open) shutoff valve at each thru hull.  Valves that meet this criteria include tapered plug petcocks and ball valves.  Most thru hulls use tapered plug petcocks because they are easier to service.  In my chemical engineering job, I had access to chrome plated 316L stainless steel ? turn ball valves with glass filled PTFE seals that never need any maintenance.  I have 3 of these ball valves on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, under the galley sink and 2 more in the lazarette compartment for the seat drains.  The only thru hull that doesn?t have a shutoff valve is the cockpit drain because it is so close coupled to the thru hull; that, there isn?t physical space for any sort of shutoff valve.  However, I keep a tapered wooden plug on board ready to pound into that thru hull if it should have an issue.

The hose, the hose clamp (i.e. corrosion failure), and the hose barb on the thru hull itself are all potential failure points.  For example, suppose you are sailing on port tack and a sudden gust of wind causes a knock down.  Something heavy in the cupboard slams into the hose or thru hull, rupturing it.  You are so busy trying to reduce sail, get the boat back upright, get the water out of the cockpit; that, by the time you notice, you already have water in the cabin over the cabin sole and rising fast.  Remember, the leak is hidden inside the cupboard, so you can?t see it.  The boat has already sunk on her lines enough to submerge the thru hull and you have no way to stop the flow.  You?re going down!  Except for the thru hull failure, I?ve actually experienced this scenario.  Anyone who sails on blue water needs to take stuff like this seriously.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 9:17 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Roger,

Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a valve on that thru hull.

BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those hoses
> fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and definitely
> cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic
> Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Jan  8 12:09:40 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 12:09:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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I received the email below from the PO of the St. Maarten Rhodes 22:

From: gjnovotny at comcast.net <gjnovotny at comcast.net> 
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 4:52 PM
To: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Mike,

I originally sent this reply to the Rhodes 22 list, but it might get discarded as I sent it on my business email, so I also sent it directly to you.

This was previously my 1978 Rhodes 22. In September of 2020 I sold it to a buyer from St. Maarten who shipped it to there from Florida. 

The boat was in pretty bad shape when I bought her back in 2013. I spent about a year and a half fixing her up. I learned a lot about fiberglass repair, marine electrical, and general boat systems repair as a result. We sailed her until 2017 when we decided to get something bigger and we bought a 1987 Corsair F-27. 

I loved this boat, We had many great sails on the Rhodes 22 and have very fond memories of "Moon Shadow".

This boat had the front port lights when I brought her. I replaced both as they were leaking. There were no sunbrella covers for them and I always planned to fabricate fiberglass covers for them, but never did.
The second thru-hull was added by me for a backup bilge pump. I'm big on redundancy.  This boat did not have a black water system, only a portable toilet.
The main sheet setup is original ( I wasn?t a fan of this system either) . The boom is not original . The boom is slightly longer than original.
The furler is an ALADO. The original furler was missing on my boat when I bought her.
The main sail is a newer one (2016) fabricated for us by National Sail Supply (Rolly Tasker).
This boat had the very large (too large for Florida) and blown out 175 genoa when I sold her. The new buyer plans to upgrade it.
Outboard is a 2013 Tohatsu 9.8 long shaft.

Hope this clarifies some of your questions.

Regards,

Gary

Gary J. Novotny
Systems and Network Administrator
Delo Medical Associates
514 SE Port Saint Lucie Blvd
Port Saint Lucie Florida, 34984
gnovotny at delomed.net
gjnovotny at comcast.net
772-971-5753

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 3:58 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Brian,

The molds didn't determine if the forward opening ports were installed. In 1980 when I contracted with Stan for delivery of my '81 Rhodes 22, the ports were an option to provide airflow through the cabin. He laid a template over the deck, cut the holes, and set the ports. By the way, the ports were sealed to the deck with clear GE Silicone, which always failed to adhere to the fiberglass over time. The material was designed to be compressed as a gasket, not as filler. The leaks at the ports were complicated by the tendency to hold water when closed which always found its way past the internal screen/seal, no matter the age of the screen or how much the closed port was tightened. Snaps and canvas covers fixed the issue on my 1991 Rhodes.

Stan used two 1-1/2" pieces of 1/2" hose to hold the centerboard pivot in position. I have not seen copper pipes.

The mainsheet arrangement on the St. Maarten craft seems very much like the one that I had on my 1981 Rhodes. Instead of a traveler, the mainsheet was attached to a sheave on a line between the two backstays (see attached images). My 1991 R22 has the newer traveler which is a vast improvement.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Brian Ferguson
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 3:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Rob,
Snaps would be great and will probably be the plan going forward. Right now there are two wood "caps" where the PO routed a channel that lined up with the port. I will send a picture later.  Stan told me my hull was contracted
so I wasn't sure if all molds were the same for '76.   My mainsheet
traveler was a frankenstein setup of aluminum angles and such. I posted the setup a year or two ago to Nabble. I'm thinking I will buy the current setup when I replace the rear stays. I'm in the middle of the refit. I just finished securing the sixty bolts holding the CB cover after replacing the line and blocks underneath.  No one should ever do that more than once. Did anyone else ever have two removable copper pipes centering their CB?
Brian

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:24 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Brain,
> I believe Stan added the front ports to the design at one time so they 
> are probably original.  My 76 had them.  Early boats did not.  They 
> have always collected water.  Does yours have snaps around them?
> There used to be some covers that attached using snaps that were 
> supposed to keep the water off of them. - Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Brian Ferguson
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:03 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> My 76 has the higher thru hull that Rob described as well as the two 
> forward-facing opening ports. They must have been added though because 
> the design collects water.  Can someone enlighten me about the 
> mainsheet arrangement? It looks nearly vertical and forward of the transom?
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Interesting.  My '76 had the single through hull and it was higher 
> > up on the hull. The bilge pumped T'ed into the sink drain. - Rob 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf 
> > of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:16 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My 76 has the same through hulls on the side as the one in the photo.
> > One is for the sink and the other is for the bilge pump. My boat 
> > does not have the forward facing ports on the cabin but these could 
> > have been added by the owner.
> >
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 10:20 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > What an interesting find!  Thanks for sharing.  I agree with Roger's 
> > assessment.  It's looks similar to the 1976 Continental I originally had.
> > The two through hulls are different though, I've never seen a boat 
> > with two.
> > They are also lower to the waterline than my '76.
> >
> > Rob
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf 
> > of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:33 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > It's too bad you couldn't get a hull number off the transom.  
> > Although the authorities could get an owner's name & address by 
> > running the W/C registration number thru their data base, unless you 
> > have some juice in the St. Maarten police dept., there's not much 
> > info there.  It's interesting there is no expiration year tab stuck 
> > to the hull following the W/C registration number.  Maybe they don't 
> > do that in St. Maarten.  But, then, how do they collect their watercraft use taxes?
> >
> > It's obviously a standard mainsail rig, plus someone has added a 
> > Bimini top and upgraded the roller furler.  It also looks like there 
> > is some sort of folded down dodger on the cabin roof.  That would 
> > make a
> lot of sense for
> > ocean sailing.   As a Great Lakes sailor, I'd love to see more details on
> > that dodger!  It's got the old style cable style mainsail traveler.
> > I'm guessing this is a fairly early Rhodes Continental - mid to late
> 1970's.
> >
> > I bet there is an interesting story behind how that boat came to be 
> > in
> St.
> > Maarten.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from
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> > From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:09 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
> >
> > My wife and I were kayaking in St. Maarten on December 16, 2021 
> > while on a shore excursion from a Royal Caribbean cruise. We 
> > couldn't believe that our guide took us right past a nicely 
> > maintained Rhodes 22, registration SX2871PC. We stopped for pictures 
> > (attached). We did not have time to circle the Rhodes to see if 
> > there was a name on the transom.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know who she belongs to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > I'd rather be sailing :~)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan  8 13:28:36 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 13:28:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Good advice Roger. Sinking at sea could ruin the whole day.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 11:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Peter,

If you check any reference on best principles and practices for thru hulls,
they all specify a ? turn full port (i.e. no obstruction to flow when the
valve is 100% open) shutoff valve at each thru hull.  Valves that meet this
criteria include tapered plug petcocks and ball valves.  Most thru hulls use
tapered plug petcocks because they are easier to service.  In my chemical
engineering job, I had access to chrome plated 316L stainless steel ? turn
ball valves with glass filled PTFE seals that never need any maintenance.  I
have 3 of these ball valves on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, under the galley
sink and 2 more in the lazarette compartment for the seat drains.  The only
thru hull that doesn?t have a shutoff valve is the cockpit drain because it
is so close coupled to the thru hull; that, there isn?t physical space for
any sort of shutoff valve.  However, I keep a tapered wooden plug on board
ready to pound into that thru hull if it should have an issue.

The hose, the hose clamp (i.e. corrosion failure), and the hose barb on the
thru hull itself are all potential failure points.  For example, suppose you
are sailing on port tack and a sudden gust of wind causes a knock down.
Something heavy in the cupboard slams into the hose or thru hull, rupturing
it.  You are so busy trying to reduce sail, get the boat back upright, get
the water out of the cockpit; that, by the time you notice, you already have
water in the cabin over the cabin sole and rising fast.  Remember, the leak
is hidden inside the cupboard, so you can?t see it.  The boat has already
sunk on her lines enough to submerge the thru hull and you have no way to
stop the flow.  You?re going down!  Except for the thru hull failure, I?ve
actually experienced this scenario.  Anyone who sails on blue water needs to
take stuff like this seriously.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 9:17 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Roger,

Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those
hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing it, and
I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a
valve on that thru hull.

BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those
hoses
> fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and
definitely
> cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic
> Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan  8 15:27:14 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:27:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <004d01d804bd$8ec7f9f0$ac57edd0$@ca>
References: <E1n61IJ-002Ip7-TA@s152.servername.online>
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Hi Graham,

It would at least be the start of ?a bad day on the water?!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 1:28 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Good advice Roger. Sinking at sea could ruin the whole day.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 11:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Hi Peter,

If you check any reference on best principles and practices for thru hulls,
they all specify a ? turn full port (i.e. no obstruction to flow when the
valve is 100% open) shutoff valve at each thru hull.  Valves that meet this
criteria include tapered plug petcocks and ball valves.  Most thru hulls use
tapered plug petcocks because they are easier to service.  In my chemical
engineering job, I had access to chrome plated 316L stainless steel ? turn
ball valves with glass filled PTFE seals that never need any maintenance.  I
have 3 of these ball valves on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, under the galley
sink and 2 more in the lazarette compartment for the seat drains.  The only
thru hull that doesn?t have a shutoff valve is the cockpit drain because it
is so close coupled to the thru hull; that, there isn?t physical space for
any sort of shutoff valve.  However, I keep a tapered wooden plug on board
ready to pound into that thru hull if it should have an issue.

The hose, the hose clamp (i.e. corrosion failure), and the hose barb on the
thru hull itself are all potential failure points.  For example, suppose you
are sailing on port tack and a sudden gust of wind causes a knock down.
Something heavy in the cupboard slams into the hose or thru hull, rupturing
it.  You are so busy trying to reduce sail, get the boat back upright, get
the water out of the cockpit; that, by the time you notice, you already have
water in the cabin over the cabin sole and rising fast.  Remember, the leak
is hidden inside the cupboard, so you can?t see it.  The boat has already
sunk on her lines enough to submerge the thru hull and you have no way to
stop the flow.  You?re going down!  Except for the thru hull failure, I?ve
actually experienced this scenario.  Anyone who sails on blue water needs to
take stuff like this seriously.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 9:17 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Roger,

Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those
hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing it, and
I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a
valve on that thru hull.

BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those
hoses
> fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and
definitely
> cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic
> Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 17:56:33 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 16:56:33 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Actually, Xenos has a  macerator that has a thru hull valve for the reasons
that Roger described. I don?t have valves on the seat drains as they are
above the water line enough. The cockpit drain should have one but not
enough room.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 2:27 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Graham,
>
> It would at least be the start of ?a bad day on the water?!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 1:28 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Good advice Roger. Sinking at sea could ruin the whole day.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2022 11:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> If you check any reference on best principles and practices for thru hulls,
> they all specify a ? turn full port (i.e. no obstruction to flow when the
> valve is 100% open) shutoff valve at each thru hull.  Valves that meet this
> criteria include tapered plug petcocks and ball valves.  Most thru hulls
> use
> tapered plug petcocks because they are easier to service.  In my chemical
> engineering job, I had access to chrome plated 316L stainless steel ? turn
> ball valves with glass filled PTFE seals that never need any maintenance.
> I
> have 3 of these ball valves on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, under the galley
> sink and 2 more in the lazarette compartment for the seat drains.  The only
> thru hull that doesn?t have a shutoff valve is the cockpit drain because it
> is so close coupled to the thru hull; that, there isn?t physical space for
> any sort of shutoff valve.  However, I keep a tapered wooden plug on board
> ready to pound into that thru hull if it should have an issue.
>
> The hose, the hose clamp (i.e. corrosion failure), and the hose barb on the
> thru hull itself are all potential failure points.  For example, suppose
> you
> are sailing on port tack and a sudden gust of wind causes a knock down.
> Something heavy in the cupboard slams into the hose or thru hull, rupturing
> it.  You are so busy trying to reduce sail, get the boat back upright, get
> the water out of the cockpit; that, by the time you notice, you already
> have
> water in the cabin over the cabin sole and rising fast.  Remember, the leak
> is hidden inside the cupboard, so you can?t see it.  The boat has already
> sunk on her lines enough to submerge the thru hull and you have no way to
> stop the flow.  You?re going down!  Except for the thru hull failure, I?ve
> actually experienced this scenario.  Anyone who sails on blue water needs
> to
> take stuff like this seriously.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccc1ebe4816fe484497c308d9d2d4b393%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637772633260084012%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=fvtN2NqJfoJYPgAcpR5pHyUBNVRWn7af%2BgwtYkciNEA%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
>
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 9:17 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Roger,
>
> Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those
> hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing it,
> and
> I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a
> valve on that thru hull.
>
> BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of those
> hoses
> > fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and
> definitely
> > cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic
> > Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>

From dlwelchne at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  9 20:41:31 2022
From: dlwelchne at yahoo.com (dlwelchne at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 01:41:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <E1n61IJ-002Ip7-TA@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n61IJ-002Ip7-TA@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1848951952.2595259.1641778891916@mail.yahoo.com>

 Peter,
After buying our ?86 Rhodes 22 in September, one of the things we ordered for it is a 1/4 turn thru-hull valve at the hull at the bottom of the sink drain hose.
Dave?
    On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:17:43 PM CST, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
 
 Roger,

Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?? I'm not quite seeing it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22 fleet with a valve on that thru hull.

BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
> 
> You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.? If one of those hoses 
> fail, you?re going down pretty quick!? It?s a pretty easy upgrade and definitely 
> cheap insurance.? It was one of the first things I changed on S/V Dynamic 
> Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987. 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

  

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 08:00:09 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 07:00:09 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <1848951952.2595259.1641778891916@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E1n61IJ-002Ip7-TA@s152.servername.online>
 <1848951952.2595259.1641778891916@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpOZp9MNcwyRrzZ_U8QZm87YhtNd_tiOh=b-Uh++tA_Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, where did you get the thru-hull valve?  Can you tell us about the
installation process?

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 7:41 PM dlwelchne--- via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Peter,
> After buying our ?86 Rhodes 22 in September, one of the things we ordered
> for it is a 1/4 turn thru-hull valve at the hull at the bottom of the sink
> drain hose.
> Dave
>     On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:17:43 PM CST, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>  Roger,
>
> Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of
> those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing
> it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22
> fleet with a valve on that thru hull.
>
> BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of
> those hoses
> > fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and
> definitely
> > cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V
> Dynamic
> > Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jan 11 14:52:21 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 19:52:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpOZp9MNcwyRrzZ_U8QZm87YhtNd_tiOh=b-Uh++tA_Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAMc-3fpOZp9MNcwyRrzZ_U8QZm87YhtNd_tiOh=b-Uh++tA_Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920DA39097CEEA1E7C29B1A80519@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jesse,

Here?s a combination 1-1/2? thru hull and matching seacock kit from Defender Marine ( www.Defender.com<http://www.Defender.com> ).  Marelon is a glass fiber reinforced polymer composite that was developed for structural marine (i.e. seawater) applications.  Marelon is not susceptible to electrolysis corrosion the way bronze is.  Basically, you would remove your existing thru hull and replace it with this.  The kit includes straight and 90 deg hose barbs for attaching the drain hose from the galley sink.  I would use the straight hose barb to avoid the potential flow obstruction in the 90 deg elbow.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:00 AM
To: dlwelchne at yahoo.com<mailto:dlwelchne at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Dave, where did you get the thru-hull valve?  Can you tell us about the
installation process?

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 7:41 PM dlwelchne--- via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Peter,
> After buying our ?86 Rhodes 22 in September, one of the things we ordered
> for it is a 1/4 turn thru-hull valve at the hull at the bottom of the sink
> drain hose.
> Dave
>     On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:17:43 PM CST, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>  Roger,
>
> Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of
> those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite seeing
> it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in the R22
> fleet with a valve on that thru hull.
>
> BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of
> those hoses
> > fail, you?re going down pretty quick!  It?s a pretty easy upgrade and
> definitely
> > cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V
> Dynamic
> > Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jan 11 16:07:03 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:07:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Roger,

I think the links to the Defender webpages are as follows:

Forespar Marelon Full-Flow Seacock with Mushroom Through-Hull (selector):
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|2234261|2234264&id=6148873

1-1/2" x 1-1/4" valve:
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1&id=6148983

Brochure with Dimensional Drawings:
https://www.defender.com/pdf/503762_BROCH_DIMS.pdf

Installation Guide:
https://www.defender.com/pdf/FORE_FLOW_INSTALL.pdf

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>;
dlwelchne at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Jesse,

Here's a combination 1-1/2" thru hull and matching seacock kit from Defender
Marine ( www.Defender.com<http://www.Defender.com> ).  Marelon is a glass
fiber reinforced polymer composite that was developed for structural marine
(i.e. seawater) applications.  Marelon is not susceptible to electrolysis
corrosion the way bronze is.  Basically, you would remove your existing thru
hull and replace it with this.  The kit includes straight and 90 deg hose
barbs for attaching the drain hose from the galley sink.  I would use the
straight hose barb to avoid the potential flow obstruction in the 90 deg
elbow.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:00 AM
To: dlwelchne at yahoo.com<mailto:dlwelchne at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email
List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten

Dave, where did you get the thru-hull valve?  Can you tell us about the
installation process?

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 7:41 PM dlwelchne--- via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Peter,
> After buying our '86 Rhodes 22 in September, one of the things we 
> ordered for it is a 1/4 turn thru-hull valve at the hull at the bottom 
> of the sink drain hose.
> Dave
>     On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:17:43 PM CST, Peter Nyberg < 
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>  Roger,
>
> Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of 
> those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite 
> seeing it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in 
> the R22 fleet with a valve on that thru hull.
>
> BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of
> those hoses
> > fail, you're going down pretty quick!  It's a pretty easy upgrade 
> > and
> definitely
> > cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V
> Dynamic
> > Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>

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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 21:39:08 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:39:08 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
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Roger and Mike, thanks for the detailed answers!

Jesse

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:07 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Roger,
>
> I think the links to the Defender webpages are as follows:
>
> Forespar Marelon Full-Flow Seacock with Mushroom Through-Hull (selector):
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|2234261|2234264&id=6148873
>
> 1-1/2" x 1-1/4" valve:
> https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1&id=6148983
>
> Brochure with Dimensional Drawings:
> https://www.defender.com/pdf/503762_BROCH_DIMS.pdf
>
> Installation Guide:
> https://www.defender.com/pdf/FORE_FLOW_INSTALL.pdf
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>;
> dlwelchne at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Jesse,
>
> Here's a combination 1-1/2" thru hull and matching seacock kit from
> Defender
> Marine ( www.Defender.com<http://www.Defender.com> ).  Marelon is a glass
> fiber reinforced polymer composite that was developed for structural marine
> (i.e. seawater) applications.  Marelon is not susceptible to electrolysis
> corrosion the way bronze is.  Basically, you would remove your existing
> thru
> hull and replace it with this.  The kit includes straight and 90 deg hose
> barbs for attaching the drain hose from the galley sink.  I would use the
> straight hose barb to avoid the potential flow obstruction in the 90 deg
> elbow.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> [cid:image002.png at 01D806FA.D51BF700]
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:00 AM
> To: dlwelchne at yahoo.com<mailto:dlwelchne at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email
> List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 in St. Maarten
>
> Dave, where did you get the thru-hull valve?  Can you tell us about the
> installation process?
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 7:41 PM dlwelchne--- via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >  Peter,
> > After buying our '86 Rhodes 22 in September, one of the things we
> > ordered for it is a 1/4 turn thru-hull valve at the hull at the bottom
> > of the sink drain hose.
> > Dave
> >     On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:17:43 PM CST, Peter Nyberg <
> > peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Roger,
> >
> > Could you please describe the scenario in which the failure of one of
> > those hoses would cause the boat to founder quickly?  I'm not quite
> > seeing it, and I'd guess that Dynamic Equilibrium is the only boat in
> > the R22 fleet with a valve on that thru hull.
> >
> > BTW, I hope your recovery is going well.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2022-01-07, at 18:15:10 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rob,
> > >
> > > You might want to install a real thru hull with a valve.  If one of
> > those hoses
> > > fail, you're going down pretty quick!  It's a pretty easy upgrade
> > > and
> > definitely
> > > cheap insurance.  It was one of the first things I changed on S/V
> > Dynamic
> > > Equilibrium after I bought the boat in 1987.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> >
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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 21:20:14 2022
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:20:14 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
Message-ID: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>

I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away from it. I?m already in Mexico myself. 

We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and weight?

It does not have IMF.

Thanks


S/V Aquetxali

Sent from my iPhone

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jan 13 22:51:30 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 22:51:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
References: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01d808fa$0732de10$15989a30$@ca>

Luis: 
This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications for the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat but this might allow you guesstimate one.
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental 

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Luis Guzman
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions

I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away from it. I?m already in Mexico myself. 

We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and weight?

It does not have IMF.

Thanks


S/V Aquetxali

Sent from my iPhone=


From mark-olson at verizon.net  Fri Jan 14 04:15:27 2022
From: mark-olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 04:15:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
References: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99809fb-d835-d9c7-01fd-1f651e4efb33@verizon.net>

I have a 1983.? I don't know the weight but I remember seeing somewhere 
it was about 2,600 pounds.? I've measured it and it's 22' by 8'.? I 
don't know the height from keel to top of cabin.? I would guess it's 
somewhere around 8'.? I can go later this morning to measure it if 
nobody knows.

This might also help: 
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental

Mark Olson

1983: Satchmo


On 1/13/2022 9:20 PM, Luis Guzman wrote:
> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
>
> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and weight?
>
> It does not have IMF.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> S/V Aquetxali
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 07:37:40 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 06:37:40 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <f99809fb-d835-d9c7-01fd-1f651e4efb33@verizon.net>
References: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
 <f99809fb-d835-d9c7-01fd-1f651e4efb33@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fr5Xrvp+zmOU=DsCMDm6WnM_p1HG1afN0eE7F2X6_-s6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Luis,

On a road trip with my R22 over the summer, we stopped by a CAT certified
scale and got the following weights: steer axle: 2560 lb, drive axle: 3560
lb, trailer axle: 4580 lb. The tongue weight was a little over 400 lbs.  My
motor was left mounted on the transom with extra straps for support.  The
rudder was stowed in the v-berth.  I had the water tank mostly filled and 3
gallons of gas.

Here's some text from Peter from an email thread in 2019 when I inquired
about dimensions for transporting my R22 when I first bought it.

My trailer is a 2016 Triad dual axle.  All of the following
measurements are, of course, approximate.

The distance from the trailer's hitch to the stern of the boat is about 25?.
My outboard extends about 2 1/2? from the stern.
If the rudder is pulled up, it sticks out a bit over 4? from the
stern, but I wouldn?t think you would need to travel with it up.

From the hitch to just behind the trailer?s rear tires is 18?.

As for height, without the mast crutch, the highest thing on the boat
is the bow pulpit.  With the trailer jack as short as it can be made
to go, the highest point of my bow pulpit is 8 1/2? from the ground.
Total height would depend a bit on the orientation of the mast.

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-June/083076.html

I hope that helps.  Where will you be sailing your R22 in Mexico?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:15 AM Mark Olson via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have a 1983.  I don't know the weight but I remember seeing somewhere
> it was about 2,600 pounds.  I've measured it and it's 22' by 8'.  I
> don't know the height from keel to top of cabin.  I would guess it's
> somewhere around 8'.  I can go later this morning to measure it if
> nobody knows.
>
> This might also help:
> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
>
> Mark Olson
>
> 1983: Satchmo
>
>
> On 1/13/2022 9:20 PM, Luis Guzman wrote:
> > I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away
> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
> >
> > We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I
> do not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions
> and weight?
> >
> > It does not have IMF.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > S/V Aquetxali
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:35:24 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <002b01d808fa$0732de10$15989a30$@ca>
References: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
 <002b01d808fa$0732de10$15989a30$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDoda=69rKuvBGEM4hqSG627SXwyPqL_8WYjUUYv6gs=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Luis:
> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications for
> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat but this
> might allow you guesstimate one.
> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Luis Guzman
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
>
> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away
> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
>
> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do
> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and
> weight?
>
> It does not have IMF.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> S/V Aquetxali
>
> Sent from my iPhone=
>
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:37:28 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:37:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDoda=69rKuvBGEM4hqSG627SXwyPqL_8WYjUUYv6gs=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C031F6-27D7-4324-AD01-995F0F06F214@gmail.com>
 <002b01d808fa$0732de10$15989a30$@ca>
 <CAPi3tBDoda=69rKuvBGEM4hqSG627SXwyPqL_8WYjUUYv6gs=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know the mast height from the waterline?
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island MD

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:35 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Luis:
>> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications for
>> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat but this
>> might allow you guesstimate one.
>> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf Of Luis Guzman
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
>>
>> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away
>> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
>>
>> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do
>> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and
>> weight?
>>
>> It does not have IMF.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> S/V Aquetxali
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone=
>>
>>

From ews1esq at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 11:51:35 2022
From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14F33DEF-99DF-4035-A666-69A694DC4854@yahoo.com>

29.5 feet. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Anyone know the mast height from the waterline?
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie
> Kent Island MD
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:35 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Luis:
>>> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications for
>>> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat but this
>>> might allow you guesstimate one.
>>> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
>>> 
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Luis Guzman
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
>>> 
>>> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away
>>> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
>>> 
>>> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I do
>>> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate dimensions and
>>> weight?
>>> 
>>> It does not have IMF.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> S/V Aquetxali
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone=
>>> 
>>> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:58:32 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:58:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <14F33DEF-99DF-4035-A666-69A694DC4854@yahoo.com>
References: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <14F33DEF-99DF-4035-A666-69A694DC4854@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDcUzOZLec1daRhoeC3R=Figf9vz7E93AYU0Lwxrd_afg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Eric

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:51 AM Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> 29.5 feet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Anyone know the mast height from the waterline?
> > Bob Garrant
> > s/v Sail la Vie
> > Kent Island MD
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:35 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Luis:
> >>> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications for
> >>> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat but
> this
> >>> might allow you guesstimate one.
> >>> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> >>> Kingston Ontario
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Luis Guzman
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
> >>>
> >>> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m away
> >>> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
> >>>
> >>> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and I
> do
> >>> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate
> dimensions and
> >>> weight?
> >>>
> >>> It does not have IMF.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> S/V Aquetxali
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone=
> >>>
> >>>
>
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:51:05 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:51:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDcUzOZLec1daRhoeC3R=Figf9vz7E93AYU0Lwxrd_afg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <14F33DEF-99DF-4035-A666-69A694DC4854@yahoo.com>
 <CAPi3tBDcUzOZLec1daRhoeC3R=Figf9vz7E93AYU0Lwxrd_afg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRp17q=gAOTDPjSgs-GxReH8+WvpbxsCfuawLHtYv9GPBA@mail.gmail.com>

Eric"s numbers look right. I have a book on small sailboats and it list the
Rhodes 22 with a Bridge Clearance of 30 feet even.
Cary
S/V Whisper '86

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:58 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Eric
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:51 AM Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > 29.5 feet.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Anyone know the mast height from the waterline?
> > > Bob Garrant
> > > s/v Sail la Vie
> > > Kent Island MD
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:35 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Luis:
> > >>> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications
> for
> > >>> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat
> but
> > this
> > >>> might allow you guesstimate one.
> > >>> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham Stewart
> > >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > >>> Kingston Ontario
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > >>> Behalf Of Luis Guzman
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
> > >>>
> > >>> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m
> away
> > >>> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
> > >>>
> > >>> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight, and
> I
> > do
> > >>> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate
> > dimensions and
> > >>> weight?
> > >>>
> > >>> It does not have IMF.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> S/V Aquetxali
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone=
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 22:07:08 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:07:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRp17q=gAOTDPjSgs-GxReH8+WvpbxsCfuawLHtYv9GPBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBBc5co_h0eghkng3RhvWKHkOMxMydpM79R16vneshvnVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <14F33DEF-99DF-4035-A666-69A694DC4854@yahoo.com>
 <CAPi3tBDcUzOZLec1daRhoeC3R=Figf9vz7E93AYU0Lwxrd_afg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp17q=gAOTDPjSgs-GxReH8+WvpbxsCfuawLHtYv9GPBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV_R2Z0EyeON2BBBKWyPthJYMa-UFmyGw74Jaow+=LjTQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I shipped the boat to Barcelona from Baltimore with the bow pulpit
removed the official measurements were 8? by 8? by 30? and the weight
including the trailer single axle was 4,500. I did have a lot of stuff inc
the engine inside. Hope this helps. Oh, it was a 1983 Rhodes.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/ Xenos

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:51 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric"s numbers look right. I have a book on small sailboats and it list the
> Rhodes 22 with a Bridge Clearance of 30 feet even.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:58 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Eric
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:51 AM Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > 29.5 feet.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Anyone know the mast height from the waterline?
> > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > s/v Sail la Vie
> > > > Kent Island MD
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:35 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I?m trying to find the mast height. From the waterline
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:51 PM Graham Stewart <
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Luis:
> > > >>> This web site has all of the original dimensions and specifications
> > for
> > > >>> the Rhodes 22 Continental. Weight would be different for your boat
> > but
> > > this
> > > >>> might allow you guesstimate one.
> > > >>> https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/rhodes-22-continental
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Graham Stewart
> > > >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > >>> Kingston Ontario
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > >>> Behalf Of Luis Guzman
> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:20 PM
> > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I?m trying to ship my 1983 Rhodes 22 to Mexico, and right now I?m
> > away
> > > >>> from it. I?m already in Mexico myself.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We?ll, the shipping company is asking for dimensions and weight,
> and
> > I
> > > do
> > > >>> not have a way to get that. Could any of you send aprox?mate
> > > dimensions and
> > > >>> weight?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It does not have IMF.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> S/V Aquetxali
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone=
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From jonlee57 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 15 01:37:45 2022
From: jonlee57 at comcast.net (Jon Lee)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:37:45 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!
References: <8F506446-03B5-46B2-B5AD-71E5BA6A9468@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2E1C2EEE-D1A4-49CB-9656-EF613871F643@comcast.net>

Hello Rhodies,
I?m new to the email list, and have been reading about the Rhodes 22 with growing interest?almost bought a Com-Pac 23 last fall, but stopped short?and now I?m hoping to become an R22 owner in the next year or so. I live in Portland, Oregon, and look forward to many years of good trailer-sailing around the west.

I hope to find a fresh-water boat with a more recent date of manufacture/refit/rebuild. I?m recently retired, so if the boat has a good trailer, a big road trip to fetch it and trailer-sail it home it could be a lot of fun.

Please let me know if you have or know of a boat that may be coming available. Also give me a shout if you?re reasonably local to me and could make use of a new crew member?I would enjoy learning the ropes ?er, *lines* on an R22.

I?ve sent an email inquiry to Stan a week or two ago but so far no reply, and also tried the phone number I found for General Boat ((252) 482-4372) but that appears to be out of service. I sure hope everything and everyone in Edenton are ok??

Looking forwarding to the New Year,
Jon Lee
from my mobile: 503-351-2891


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 07:16:40 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dimensions
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmk5MvQPvU460R-9cNJRp6pdHnR--xL7SF=F2ehohHWt3g@mail.gmail.com>

The air draft with the mast in the supplied crutch is 12'.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jan 15 10:50:59 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:50:59 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>

As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.

--Peter

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 15:08:26 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:08:26 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuMuQcnS88LmrFCrZzrurWVKgp3XuN04fk_2NZMLWLkUKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter -

Thanks for the prompt.

Thanks Michael! I gave $10. How many on this list?

Cheers,

Shawn,

s/v Sweet Baboo

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 7:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
> credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jan 15 16:40:50 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:40:50 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <E1n8qn4-005Cfc-6k@s152.servername.online>

Shawn,

Interesting question.  The Mailman admin pages show 289 email addresses receiving list posts in either individual or digest form.  There are more email addresses shown, but quite a few currently have delivery disabled.

A different source of information that I have access to shows that 123 different people (or email addresses) have posted to the list in the last 12 months.

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 15:08:26 EST, Shawn Boles wrote:
>
> Hi Peter -
> 
> Thanks for the prompt.
> 
> Thanks Michael! I gave $10. How many on this list?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Shawn,
> 
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
> 


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 16:51:16 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:51:16 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!
In-Reply-To: <2E1C2EEE-D1A4-49CB-9656-EF613871F643@comcast.net>
References: <8F506446-03B5-46B2-B5AD-71E5BA6A9468@comcast.net>
 <2E1C2EEE-D1A4-49CB-9656-EF613871F643@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuP21oU3PD_sKgcPHrw83h31=uRwh0YwCyyLGgf464ZpZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jon:

You will love the R22! I live in Eugene and my wife and I sail out of
Richardson marina on Fern Ridge lake from late April until mid-September.
We would love to have another crew member.

My email: shawn.sustain  @ gmail.com

Cheers,
Shawn Boles
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 10:37 PM Jon Lee <jonlee57 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
> I?m new to the email list, and have been reading about the Rhodes 22 with
> growing interest?almost bought a Com-Pac 23 last fall, but stopped
> short?and now I?m hoping to become an R22 owner in the next year or so. I
> live in Portland, Oregon, and look forward to many years of good
> trailer-sailing around the west.
>
> I hope to find a fresh-water boat with a more recent date of
> manufacture/refit/rebuild. I?m recently retired, so if the boat has a good
> trailer, a big road trip to fetch it and trailer-sail it home it could be a
> lot of fun.
>
> Please let me know if you have or know of a boat that may be coming
> available. Also give me a shout if you?re reasonably local to me and could
> make use of a new crew member?I would enjoy learning the ropes ?er, *lines*
> on an R22.
>
> I?ve sent an email inquiry to Stan a week or two ago but so far no reply,
> and also tried the phone number I found for General Boat ((252) 482-4372)
> but that appears to be out of service. I sure hope everything and everyone
> in Edenton are ok??
>
> Looking forwarding to the New Year,
> Jon Lee
> from my mobile: 503-351-2891
>
>

From forg3d at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 18:32:20 2022
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:32:20 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E3FD30F1-917C-47DF-B94F-4B5945B80047@gmail.com>

Donated 20!!  

Need to keep site up!! And webmastering is a true act of devotion. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.
> 
> --Peter

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 19:22:29 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 00:22:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E3FD30F1-917C-47DF-B94F-4B5945B80047@gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <E3FD30F1-917C-47DF-B94F-4B5945B80047@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1170264223.1104233.1642292549534@mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.? Who does it go to and what is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper
Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 

    On Saturday, January 15, 2022, 06:32:23 PM EST, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Donated 20!!? 

Need to keep site up!! And webmastering is a true act of devotion. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.? Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).? This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.
> 
> --Peter
  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jan 15 21:43:54 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:43:54 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>

Mel,

The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.

An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  

So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>
> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 


From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 23:21:49 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 04:21:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1981644987.1118003.1642306909339@mail.yahoo.com>

PeterThanks for the quick reply. I have been sailing my second Rhodes since 1996 on Barnegat? Bay. Somehow I missed the part about maintaining the list. I will definitely take care of this.? Thanks again.? By the way, I used to really enjoy your videos.? Did you ever do one about replacing the gooseneck fitting on the boom?Mel
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 9:44 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:   Mel,

The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.? When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.? A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.

An AWS server is obviously not free.? I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.? But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.? 

So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.? I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>
> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 

  

From scott at hypnosisconnection.com  Sun Jan 16 06:09:13 2022
From: scott at hypnosisconnection.com (Scott McFall)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:09:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a pop top cover
Message-ID: <2F11FCEC-2D2C-4A8D-A1EF-49198E5C3AAC@hypnosisconnection.com>

I am looking for someone who can make a pop top cover in dark blue.  Doesn?t anyone do that?

Scott McFall

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 06:19:35 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuMuQcnS88LmrFCrZzrurWVKgp3XuN04fk_2NZMLWLkUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <CAMzGxuMuQcnS88LmrFCrZzrurWVKgp3XuN04fk_2NZMLWLkUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVwJwaqH=MLShTAOu_jfQxME9Rj-bSEofXCyMtud6kr+g@mail.gmail.com>

Me too
Chris Geankoplis
SV/Enosis/Xenos

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 3:08 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter -
>
> Thanks for the prompt.
>
> Thanks Michael! I gave $10. How many on this list?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Shawn,
>
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 7:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> > As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> > list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> > in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> home
> > page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> > have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
> a
> > credit card as well.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 09:18:53 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*

*Needham, MA*



On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
> credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 09:23:01 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:23:01 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fp-+cAqK+n_2EpyHCT0kKj9d=uWr2g4OF_u1YGJQ+K=tg@mail.gmail.com>

I pitched in as well.  Thanks for maintaining the list and website!

Jesse

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 8:19 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> > list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> > in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> home
> > page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> > have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
> a
> > credit card as well.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 09:36:42 2022
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B39D5242-14FA-4E39-86AD-592D6A582063@gmail.com>

I should have thought of $18 - a good idea. I gave $20. 

Frank 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
>> credit card as well.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 

From daysails at aol.com  Sun Jan 16 09:37:55 2022
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVwJwaqH=MLShTAOu_jfQxME9Rj-bSEofXCyMtud6kr+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <CAMzGxuMuQcnS88LmrFCrZzrurWVKgp3XuN04fk_2NZMLWLkUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiVwJwaqH=MLShTAOu_jfQxME9Rj-bSEofXCyMtud6kr+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1772806357.557411.1642343875971@mail.yahoo.com>

 Me too. ?Money well spent.?
Joe RileySecond Wind?Lake Hartwell

  

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun Jan 16 09:43:28 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5AQ3p-oYR7+tFsHyvXpsLgOfZZ-Q2uL2kRWwp8D=doasFw@mail.gmail.com>

Done

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:50 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
> credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 16 10:42:55 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (sea20 at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] donation
References: <1352122255.419279.1642347775765.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1352122255.419279.1642347775765@mail.yahoo.com>

Great resource! thanks for the reminder.
Scott A. Rhodes22 86'

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jan 16 11:13:17 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:13:17 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
Message-ID: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>

Mel,

I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.  You can find it here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>
>  By the way, I used 
> to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the 
> gooseneck fitting on the boom? 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Jan 16 11:50:14 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <003601d80af9$23e27dd0$6ba77970$@ca>

Glad to contribute with my thanks to Mike.
Also, the revised web site is terrific.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

Mel,

The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.

An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  

So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>
> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 


From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 12:57:16 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:57:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <003601d80af9$23e27dd0$6ba77970$@ca>
References: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
 <003601d80af9$23e27dd0$6ba77970$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLH6Y17Bpkwu=ozFtFTT_D4c+SMq14drqg442LLG-03orw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike. $20 from me. I?ve gotten more than that amount in advice from
this list so it?s money well spent.
Brian
New-In-76

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:50 Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Glad to contribute with my thanks to Mike.
> Also, the revised web site is terrific.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:44 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>
> Mel,
>
> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes
> the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers,
> or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a
> precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use
> Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is
> that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the
> future, when that day comes.
>
> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost
> is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it
> even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that
> people who find value in the community should be willing to support it
> financially.
>
> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.
> I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount
> is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would
> be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here:
> http://rhodes22.org.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
> >
> > Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to
> and what
> > is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper
>
>

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 16:35:09 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 21:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
In-Reply-To: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <2142328608.1248779.1642368909969@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Peter. I plan to tackle the job in April. And will watch your video several times.? Charles Gabriel got me the part.I am be contacting you if I. Have a problem.Mel

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:13 AM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:   Mel,

I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.? You can find it here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI

--Peter

> On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>
>? By the way, I used 
> to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the 
> gooseneck fitting on the boom? 
  

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 07:21:15 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
In-Reply-To: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBA+Lq0xVwSR+waotFX=NwnyddCiT8fKxx49JJ1rdxXU=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,
This is a great video.
I like the quality and your presentation. Very easy to follow.
I plan to replace my gooseneck this spring, hopefully in March.
Thanks very much.
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000/2017
Kent Island Maryland

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:13 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Mel,
>
> I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.  You can find it
> here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
> >
> >  By the way, I used
> > to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the
> > gooseneck fitting on the boom?
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 07:40:48 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=v3J12kzhQ42sAtVdAp5oLoFdUN1vgp1UtxK_b_NcvAA@mail.gmail.com>

$25.00 yesterday.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 07:48:47 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:48:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkj5PD+iTrDjCQXNNt-15TKRjpzUuqjmHgjetU10-yB=g@mail.gmail.com>

The gooseneck on Radiant was a mangled mess. By following Peter's video I
now have a much more robust gooseneck than the original.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Jan 17 09:37:55 2022
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:37:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!
In-Reply-To: <2E1C2EEE-D1A4-49CB-9656-EF613871F643@comcast.net>
References: <8F506446-03B5-46B2-B5AD-71E5BA6A9468@comcast.net>
 <2E1C2EEE-D1A4-49CB-9656-EF613871F643@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MN2PR18MB347771D349AC1B7D10B8BABED1579@MN2PR18MB3477.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Jon:

I have three R22 boats at various levels of refurbishing in Maryland if you are interested in completing the restoration and getting a boat at a reasonable price.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW
119
Washington DC 20016
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jon Lee <jonlee57 at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 1:37 AM
To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!

Hello Rhodies,
I?m new to the email list, and have been reading about the Rhodes 22 with growing interest?almost bought a Com-Pac 23 last fall, but stopped short?and now I?m hoping to become an R22 owner in the next year or so. I live in Portland, Oregon, and look forward to many years of good trailer-sailing around the west.

I hope to find a fresh-water boat with a more recent date of manufacture/refit/rebuild. I?m recently retired, so if the boat has a good trailer, a big road trip to fetch it and trailer-sail it home it could be a lot of fun.

Please let me know if you have or know of a boat that may be coming available. Also give me a shout if you?re reasonably local to me and could make use of a new crew member?I would enjoy learning the ropes ?er, *lines* on an R22.

I?ve sent an email inquiry to Stan a week or two ago but so far no reply, and also tried the phone number I found for General Boat ((252) 482-4372) but that appears to be out of service. I sure hope everything and everyone in Edenton are ok??

Looking forwarding to the New Year,
Jon Lee
from my mobile: 503-351-2891


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Jan 17 09:43:46 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <75AC23D4-3F41-4866-AC01-AA55B3C3E883@aol.com>

I contributed $25 (which is my birthday) and also to acknowledge the countless hours I have enjoyed being on the list and the information I have acquired.  Thank you Mike, and Peter for all you guys have done.  

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mel,
> 
> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.
> 
> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  
> 
> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Jan 17 13:46:18 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <75AC23D4-3F41-4866-AC01-AA55B3C3E883@aol.com>
References: <E1n8vWM-007QWP-H7@s152.servername.online>
 <75AC23D4-3F41-4866-AC01-AA55B3C3E883@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0AF5FDA8-37E1-4C0F-86B5-048A667762F4@stottarchitecture.com>

10$  Donated 
Ric 
s/v Dadventure 
?84 Continental
HBNY



Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:43 AM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I contributed $25 (which is my birthday) and also to acknowledge the countless hours I have enjoyed being on the list and the information I have acquired.  Thank you Mike, and Peter for all you guys have done.  
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Mel,
>> 
>> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.
>> 
>> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  
>> 
>> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
>>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 
>> 
> 


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 15:39:28 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale in Pensacola, FL
Message-ID: <013f01d80be2$52d53ad0$f87fb070$@gmail.com>

Hi, I just came across this listing.  I'm passing it along in case someone
on the list is looking for a boat.
https://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/d/pensacola-1986-rhodes-22-sailboat/742
8495811.html
 
 
 
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
 
 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 15:40:56 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
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I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.

--Peter


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 16:52:56 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs
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The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line on their site. 
  
  
Thanks!
  
  
Larry
  
?86 R22 still unnamed! 
  
Keystone Lake
  
Odessa, FL



From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 16:55:28 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs
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Sorry I meant Mainsail and Jib furling control lines, I left out the word jib below. 

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:53 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line on their site. 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> ?86 R22 still unnamed! 
> 
> Keystone Lake
> 
> Odessa, FL
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 17 17:46:35 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:46:35 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs
Message-ID: <E1n9aln-006YXh-Bi@s152.servername.online>

Larry,

My mainsail furling and unfurling lines are 1/4".  Last year, I replaced my jib furling line with 3/16" because I would sometimes run out of room on my CDI furler spool with 1/4" line.  As I recall, 3/16" is what CDI recommends for this furler, but even with the thinner line, I still sometimes run out of room on the spool before the jib is fully deployed.  Operator error, I'm sure.

I don't know as much as I should about the various types of lines available.  I do tend to use Defender as a source, and often choose something from the New England Ropes Sta-Set offerings largely because most diameters are available in a wide variety of colors.  These lines seem to be performing well.

HTH,

--Peter


> On 2022-01-17, at 16:52:56 EST, Larry Gioia wrote:
>
> The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling 
> control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to 
> do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from 
> and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar 
> with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too 
> short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine 
> for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line 
> on their site. 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> ?86 R22 still unnamed!
> 
> Keystone Lake
> 
> Odessa, FL
> 
> 
> 


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 17:49:30 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs
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Thank you!  I appreciate that greatly. 

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 5:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Larry,
> 
> My mainsail furling and unfurling lines are 1/4".  Last year, I replaced my jib furling line with 3/16" because I would sometimes run out of room on my CDI furler spool with 1/4" line.  As I recall, 3/16" is what CDI recommends for this furler, but even with the thinner line, I still sometimes run out of room on the spool before the jib is fully deployed.  Operator error, I'm sure.
> 
> I don't know as much as I should about the various types of lines available.  I do tend to use Defender as a source, and often choose something from the New England Ropes Sta-Set offerings largely because most diameters are available in a wide variety of colors.  These lines seem to be performing well.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 
>> On 2022-01-17, at 16:52:56 EST, Larry Gioia wrote:
>> 
>> The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling 
>> control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to 
>> do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from 
>> and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar 
>> with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too 
>> short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine 
>> for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line 
>> on their site. 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> ?86 R22 still unnamed!
>> 
>> Keystone Lake
>> 
>> Odessa, FL
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 18:57:18 2022
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Bob Cohen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:57:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
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I'm in for $18 too.  Thank you, Mike.
Bob Cohen
s/v Silver Bay

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 9:19 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*

*Needham, MA*



On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email 
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike 
> out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the 
> website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, 
> but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process 
> will allow you to use a credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:09:45 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:09:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <B8519150-29AE-48FD-8CDA-350DDAD4D9F2@gmail.com>

Hi,

I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead fly but I guess that would be an option. 

Thanks for your insights,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018

Sent from my iPhone

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 17 21:03:51 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:03:51 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <E1n9dqh-000tCf-QR@s152.servername.online>

I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably. 

What's a masthead fly?

--Peter

> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit 
> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead 
> fly but I guess that would be an option. 
> 
> Thanks for your insights,
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From scott at hypnosisconnection.com  Mon Jan 17 21:08:17 2022
From: scott at hypnosisconnection.com (Scott McFall)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4406, Issue 1
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I did donate to the email list process.  However, couldn?t we just create a private group in Facebook or linkedin or maybe slack that would be less stress to maintain ?


> On Jan 17, 2022, at 8:09 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> 
> Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
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> 
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> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Looking for a pop top cover (Scott McFall)
>   2. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Chris Geankoplis)
>   3. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Stephen Staum)
>   4. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Jesse Shumaker)
>   5. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Frank Goldsmith)
>   6. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (daysails at aol.com)
>   7. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Mark Whipple)
>   8. donation (sea20 at verizon.net)
>   9. Replacing the Gooseneck (Peter Nyberg)
>  10. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Graham Stewart)
>  11. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Brian Ferguson)
>  12. Re: Replacing the Gooseneck (Melvyn Rothbard)
>  13. Re: Replacing the Gooseneck (Bob Garrant)
>  14. Annual Donation Reminder (Jeff Smith Photo)
>  15. Replacing the Gooseneck (Jeff Smith Photo)
>  16. Re: Looking to purchase an R22!!! (Chris Cowie)
>  17. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (THOMAS POLISE)
>  18. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Ric Stott)
>  19. Rhodes 22 for sale in Pensacola, FL (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>  20. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>  21. Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs (Larry Gioia)
>  22. Re: Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs (Larry Gioia)
>  23. Re: Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs (Peter Nyberg)
>  24. Re: Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs (Larry Gioia)
>  25. Re: Annual Donation Reminder (Bob Cohen)
>  26. Wind instrument? (Michael McKay)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:09:13 -0500
> From: Scott McFall <scott at hypnosisconnection.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a pop top cover
> Message-ID:
> 	<2F11FCEC-2D2C-4A8D-A1EF-49198E5C3AAC at hypnosisconnection.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> I am looking for someone who can make a pop top cover in dark blue.  Doesn?t anyone do that?
> 
> Scott McFall
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:19:35 -0500
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<CADNTwiVwJwaqH=MLShTAOu_jfQxME9Rj-bSEofXCyMtud6kr+g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Me too
> Chris Geankoplis
> SV/Enosis/Xenos
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 3:08 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter -
>> 
>> Thanks for the prompt.
>> 
>> Thanks Michael! I gave $10. How many on this list?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Shawn,
>> 
>> s/v Sweet Baboo
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 7:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
>> home
>>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
>> a
>>> credit card as well.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:18:53 -0500
> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAOo_Fjc1xSBE+SeeWfsYh0rSd68hF0fXpv2H5FEe0PTECcrBAw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
>> credit card as well.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:23:01 -0600
> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAMc-3fp-+cAqK+n_2EpyHCT0kKj9d=uWr2g4OF_u1YGJQ+K=tg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I pitched in as well.  Thanks for maintaining the list and website!
> 
> Jesse
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 8:19 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
>> home
>>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
>> a
>>> credit card as well.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:36:42 -0500
> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <B39D5242-14FA-4E39-86AD-592D6A582063 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I should have thought of $18 - a good idea. I gave $20. 
> 
> Frank 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
>>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
>>> credit card as well.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "daysails at aol.com" <daysails at aol.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <1772806357.557411.1642343875971 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Me too. ?Money well spent.?
> Joe RileySecond Wind?Lake Hartwell
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:43:28 -0500
> From: Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+WP5AQ3p-oYR7+tFsHyvXpsLgOfZZ-Q2uL2kRWwp8D=doasFw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Done
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:50 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
>> credit card as well.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC)
> From: sea20 at verizon.net
> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] donation
> Message-ID: <1352122255.419279.1642347775765 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Great resource! thanks for the reminder.
> Scott A. Rhodes22 86'
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:13:17 -0800
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
> Message-ID: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv at s152.servername.online>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Mel,
> 
> I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.  You can find it here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>> 
>> By the way, I used 
>> to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the 
>> gooseneck fitting on the boom? 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:50:14 -0500
> From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <003601d80af9$23e27dd0$6ba77970$@ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> Glad to contribute with my thanks to Mike.
> Also, the revised web site is terrific.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:44 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> 
> Mel,
> 
> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.
> 
> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  
> 
> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:57:16 -0500
> From: Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thanks Mike. $20 from me. I?ve gotten more than that amount in advice from
> this list so it?s money well spent.
> Brian
> New-In-76
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:50 Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Glad to contribute with my thanks to Mike.
>> Also, the revised web site is terrific.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Peter Nyberg
>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:44 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>> 
>> Mel,
>> 
>> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes
>> the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers,
>> or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a
>> precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use
>> Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is
>> that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the
>> future, when that day comes.
>> 
>> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost
>> is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it
>> even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that
>> people who find value in the community should be willing to support it
>> financially.
>> 
>> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.
>> I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount
>> is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would
>> be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here:
>> http://rhodes22.org.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to
>> and what
>>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 21:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
> Message-ID: <2142328608.1248779.1642368909969 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks Peter. I plan to tackle the job in April. And will watch your video several times.? Charles Gabriel got me the part.I am be contacting you if I. Have a problem.Mel
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:13 AM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:   Mel,
> 
> I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.? You can find it here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>> 
>> ? By the way, I used 
>> to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the 
>> gooseneck fitting on the boom? 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:21:15 -0500
> From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAPi3tBA+Lq0xVwSR+waotFX=NwnyddCiT8fKxx49JJ1rdxXU=Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Peter,
> This is a great video.
> I like the quality and your presentation. Very easy to follow.
> I plan to replace my gooseneck this spring, hopefully in March.
> Thanks very much.
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000/2017
> Kent Island Maryland
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:13 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Mel,
>> 
>> I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.  You can find it
>> here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>>> 
>>> By the way, I used
>>> to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the
>>> gooseneck fitting on the boom?
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:40:48 -0500
> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAM0HAm=v3J12kzhQ42sAtVdAp5oLoFdUN1vgp1UtxK_b_NcvAA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> $25.00 yesterday.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:48:47 -0500
> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAM0HAmkj5PD+iTrDjCQXNNt-15TKRjpzUuqjmHgjetU10-yB=g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> The gooseneck on Radiant was a mangled mess. By following Peter's video I
> now have a much more robust gooseneck than the original.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:37:55 +0000
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!
> Message-ID:
> 	<MN2PR18MB347771D349AC1B7D10B8BABED1579 at MN2PR18MB3477.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5"
> 
> Jon:
> 
> I have three R22 boats at various levels of refurbishing in Maryland if you are interested in completing the restoration and getting a boat at a reasonable price.
> 
> 
> Please note our new office address and phone number
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> 
> 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW
> 119
> Washington DC 20016
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jon Lee <jonlee57 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 1:37 AM
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to purchase an R22!!!
> 
> Hello Rhodies,
> I?m new to the email list, and have been reading about the Rhodes 22 with growing interest?almost bought a Com-Pac 23 last fall, but stopped short?and now I?m hoping to become an R22 owner in the next year or so. I live in Portland, Oregon, and look forward to many years of good trailer-sailing around the west.
> 
> I hope to find a fresh-water boat with a more recent date of manufacture/refit/rebuild. I?m recently retired, so if the boat has a good trailer, a big road trip to fetch it and trailer-sail it home it could be a lot of fun.
> 
> Please let me know if you have or know of a boat that may be coming available. Also give me a shout if you?re reasonably local to me and could make use of a new crew member?I would enjoy learning the ropes ?er, *lines* on an R22.
> 
> I?ve sent an email inquiry to Stan a week or two ago but so far no reply, and also tried the phone number I found for General Boat ((252) 482-4372) but that appears to be out of service. I sure hope everything and everyone in Edenton are ok??
> 
> Looking forwarding to the New Year,
> Jon Lee
> from my mobile: 503-351-2891
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:43:46 -0500
> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <75AC23D4-3F41-4866-AC01-AA55B3C3E883 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I contributed $25 (which is my birthday) and also to acknowledge the countless hours I have enjoyed being on the list and the information I have acquired.  Thank you Mike, and Peter for all you guys have done.  
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Mel,
>> 
>> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.
>> 
>> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  
>> 
>> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
>>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:46:18 -0500
> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> 	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID:
> 	<0AF5FDA8-37E1-4C0F-86B5-048A667762F4 at stottarchitecture.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 10$  Donated 
> Ric 
> s/v Dadventure 
> ?84 Continental
> HBNY
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:43 AM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I contributed $25 (which is my birthday) and also to acknowledge the countless hours I have enjoyed being on the list and the information I have acquired.  Thank you Mike, and Peter for all you guys have done.  
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mel,
>>> 
>>> The R22 email list needs a server to run the Mailman software that makes the whole thing work. In the past, webmasters have used personal servers, or workplace servers for this purpose, but this left the group in a precarious position.  When Mike Weisner became webmaster, he opted to use Amazon Web Services (AWS) for hosting.  A major reason for this choice is that this will make it easier to transition to a new webmaster in the future, when that day comes.
>>> 
>>> An AWS server is obviously not free.  I don't really know what the cost is, and whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that Mike will continue to cover it even if no one contributes.  But, the list is a community, and I think that people who find value in the community should be willing to support it financially.  
>>> 
>>> So, to specifically answer your questions, the contribution goes to Mike.  I feel confident that Mike is not making a net profit on this. The amount is entirely up to you, but the website does suggest that $10 per year would be appropriate. Again, you can find the 'Donate' button here: http://rhodes22.org.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 2022-01-15, at 19:22:29 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone enlighten me on the contribution.&nbsp; Who does it go to and what 
>>>> is the amount.Mel RothbardPaper Clipper 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:39:28 -0500
> From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: "Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale in Pensacola, FL
> Message-ID: <013f01d80be2$52d53ad0$f87fb070$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi, I just came across this listing.  I'm passing it along in case someone
> on the list is looking for a boat.
> https://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/d/pensacola-1986-rhodes-22-sailboat/742
> 8495811.html
> 
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:40:56 -0500
> From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> 
> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:52:56 -0500
> From: Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line specs
> Message-ID: <BD238494-661C-42E8-AE9D-D0FCED3F5BC5 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line on their site. 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> ?86 R22 still unnamed! 
> 
> Keystone Lake
> 
> Odessa, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:55:28 -0500
> From: Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com>
> To: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line
> 	specs
> Message-ID: <FE0E30CA-7F35-4CEA-904C-8D4D31ABB55A at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Sorry I meant Mainsail and Jib furling control lines, I left out the word jib below. 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:53 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line on their site. 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> ?86 R22 still unnamed! 
>> 
>> Keystone Lake
>> 
>> Odessa, FL
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:46:35 -0800
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line
> 	specs
> Message-ID: <E1n9aln-006YXh-Bi at s152.servername.online>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Larry,
> 
> My mainsail furling and unfurling lines are 1/4".  Last year, I replaced my jib furling line with 3/16" because I would sometimes run out of room on my CDI furler spool with 1/4" line.  As I recall, 3/16" is what CDI recommends for this furler, but even with the thinner line, I still sometimes run out of room on the spool before the jib is fully deployed.  Operator error, I'm sure.
> 
> I don't know as much as I should about the various types of lines available.  I do tend to use Defender as a source, and often choose something from the New England Ropes Sta-Set offerings largely because most diameters are available in a wide variety of colors.  These lines seem to be performing well.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 
>> On 2022-01-17, at 16:52:56 EST, Larry Gioia wrote:
>> 
>> The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling 
>> control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to 
>> do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from 
>> and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar 
>> with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too 
>> short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine 
>> for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line 
>> on their site. 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> ?86 R22 still unnamed!
>> 
>> Keystone Lake
>> 
>> Odessa, FL
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:49:30 -0500
> From: Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail and Jib furling control line
> 	specs
> Message-ID: <6C79FFAF-D72A-4AE4-A59F-BC355389C23F at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thank you!  I appreciate that greatly. 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 5:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Larry,
>> 
>> My mainsail furling and unfurling lines are 1/4".  Last year, I replaced my jib furling line with 3/16" because I would sometimes run out of room on my CDI furler spool with 1/4" line.  As I recall, 3/16" is what CDI recommends for this furler, but even with the thinner line, I still sometimes run out of room on the spool before the jib is fully deployed.  Operator error, I'm sure.
>> 
>> I don't know as much as I should about the various types of lines available.  I do tend to use Defender as a source, and often choose something from the New England Ropes Sta-Set offerings largely because most diameters are available in a wide variety of colors.  These lines seem to be performing well.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-17, at 16:52:56 EST, Larry Gioia wrote:
>>> 
>>> The gooseneck emails reminded me that I need to replace the Mainsail and furling 
>>> control lines on my ?86 R22. Peter has an excellent episode 25 video on how to 
>>> do this, but my question is what type of line is that, where can I order it from 
>>> and what is the thickness?  1/4??  The previous owner of my ?86 was not familiar 
>>> with Rhodes rigging, used the wrong type of line, too thick (binds up) and too 
>>> short to thread through the boom. Peter you?ve directed me to Defender Marine 
>>> for other lines and I like ordering from them but can?t find that type of line 
>>> on their site. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> ?86 R22 still unnamed!
>>> 
>>> Keystone Lake
>>> 
>>> Odessa, FL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:57:18 -0500
> From: "Bob Cohen" <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> Message-ID: <001d01d80bfd$f606c5a0$e21450e0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> I'm in for $18 too.  Thank you, Mike.
> Bob Cohen
> s/v Silver Bay
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 9:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> 
> Thanks for the reminder Peter.  I gave $18 which is symbolic meaning life.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (maybe Carol Lee 3 someday)*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:51 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email 
>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike 
>> out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the 
>> website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, 
>> but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process 
>> will allow you to use a credit card as well.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:09:45 -0500
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
> Message-ID: <B8519150-29AE-48FD-8CDA-350DDAD4D9F2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead fly but I guess that would be an option. 
> 
> Thanks for your insights,
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Digest Footer
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4406, Issue 1
> **********************************************


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 17 21:12:10 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:12:10 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <E1n9dyk-001SVv-Cf@s152.servername.online>

Oh, obviously the Davis WindTrack on provides wind direction.  I have a hand-held anemometer for wind speed.

--Peter

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 17 22:27:00 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:27:00 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4406, Issue 1
Message-ID: <E1n9f9A-006hT8-5O@s152.servername.online>

If you're not paying for the product, you are the product.

> On 2022-01-17, at 21:08:17 EST, Scott McFall wrote:
>
> I did donate to the email list process.  However, couldn?t we just create a 
> private group in Facebook or linkedin or maybe slack that would be less stress 
> to maintain ? 
> 
> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jan 18 00:22:14 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 00:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>

Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has happened!

First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to improve the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been fantastic!

Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees of manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the R22. It was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are priceless!

I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15 per month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in the process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https / security certificate), multiple databases and additional website "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice website functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original website and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you donation money to cover your costs as well).

Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of course, dollars, to make this community thrive!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.

--Peter


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 00:37:31 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 00:37:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <E1n9dqh-000tCf-QR@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n9dqh-000tCf-QR@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <51BA0741-28F9-4C9C-96B6-BAD550A584EC@gmail.com>

Thanks Peter, masthead fly=windex, mine is from Davis also. 

A masthead fly, with a wind arrow, goes at the top of the mast and points into the wind.

I realize that a wind instrument for a Rhodes is not really needed, but I?m pretending she?s a 35 footer on the Atlantic instead of my small inland lake in Georgia. That?s why I?m also installing a chart plotter!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably. 
> 
> What's a masthead fly?
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit 
>> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead 
>> fly but I guess that would be an option. 
>> 
>> Thanks for your insights,
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jan 18 08:02:34 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <51BA0741-28F9-4C9C-96B6-BAD550A584EC@gmail.com>
References: <51BA0741-28F9-4C9C-96B6-BAD550A584EC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8AB90429-A677-402B-928A-443FDD92552C@stottarchitecture.com>

Leave the Windex where it is. 
Add a SS or aluminum tang that protrudes forward about a foot. Mount the wind instrument to the forward part of the tang. 
Ric
Dadventure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:37 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Peter, masthead fly=windex, mine is from Davis also. 
> 
> A masthead fly, with a wind arrow, goes at the top of the mast and points into the wind.
> 
> I realize that a wind instrument for a Rhodes is not really needed, but I?m pretending she?s a 35 footer on the Atlantic instead of my small inland lake in Georgia. That?s why I?m also installing a chart plotter!
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably. 
>> 
>> What's a masthead fly?
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>>> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit 
>>> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead 
>>> fly but I guess that would be an option. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your insights,
>>> 
>>> Michael McKay
>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Jan 18 10:14:12 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:14:12 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <8AB90429-A677-402B-928A-443FDD92552C@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <51BA0741-28F9-4C9C-96B6-BAD550A584EC@gmail.com>
 <8AB90429-A677-402B-928A-443FDD92552C@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6EqK+NGaqEStB=wgcnt775cCQswK+Mos_CjOmrAOHCJA@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this thread was about a musical instrument upon starting to
read.  A nice clarinet up top?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 7:17 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Leave the Windex where it is.
> Add a SS or aluminum tang that protrudes forward about a foot. Mount the
> wind instrument to the forward part of the tang.
> Ric
> Dadventure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:37 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks Peter, masthead fly=windex, mine is from Davis also.
> >
> > A masthead fly, with a wind arrow, goes at the top of the mast and
> points into the wind.
> >
> > I realize that a wind instrument for a Rhodes is not really needed, but
> I?m pretending she?s a 35 footer on the Atlantic instead of my small inland
> lake in Georgia. That?s why I?m also installing a chart plotter!
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed
> to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a
> Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at
> up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably.
> >>
> >> What's a masthead fly?
> >>
> >> --Peter
> >>
> >>>> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but
> it?s a bit
> >>> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the
> masthead
> >>> fly but I guess that would be an option.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your insights,
> >>>
> >>> Michael McKay
> >>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 11:34:50 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6EqK+NGaqEStB=wgcnt775cCQswK+Mos_CjOmrAOHCJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51BA0741-28F9-4C9C-96B6-BAD550A584EC@gmail.com>
 <8AB90429-A677-402B-928A-443FDD92552C@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CAEqJHY6EqK+NGaqEStB=wgcnt775cCQswK+Mos_CjOmrAOHCJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVjb4xpH6c7z=Cada8hWC00yQ31S4_fBmK7N28mnBP0dg@mail.gmail.com>

Obviously Tom, an Alto clarinet.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:14 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I thought this thread was about a musical instrument upon starting to
> read.  A nice clarinet up top?
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 7:17 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> > Leave the Windex where it is.
> > Add a SS or aluminum tang that protrudes forward about a foot. Mount the
> > wind instrument to the forward part of the tang.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:37 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Thanks Peter, masthead fly=windex, mine is from Davis also.
> > >
> > > A masthead fly, with a wind arrow, goes at the top of the mast and
> > points into the wind.
> > >
> > > I realize that a wind instrument for a Rhodes is not really needed, but
> > I?m pretending she?s a 35 footer on the Atlantic instead of my small
> inland
> > lake in Georgia. That?s why I?m also installing a chart plotter!
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed
> > to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a
> > Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at
> > up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably.
> > >>
> > >> What's a masthead fly?
> > >>
> > >> --Peter
> > >>
> > >>>> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but
> > it?s a bit
> > >>> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the
> > masthead
> > >>> fly but I guess that would be an option.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for your insights,
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael McKay
> > >>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 12:31:17 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
 <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCJ5dgouErMJdD=uGRkuqW=WnSqLOEVPz5+O5AfZcVKCQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just contributed $25.
I set up an annual reminder for myself as well just in case I miss the
?reminder email? which I appreciate very much.
The website and the email list are terrific.
Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000/2017
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:22 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has happened!
>
> First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to improve
> the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
> help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
> fantastic!
>
> Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
> email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees of
> manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the R22. It
> was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
> future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
> years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> priceless!
>
> I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15 per
> month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in the
> process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice website
> functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
> Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original website
> and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you donation
> money to cover your costs as well).
>
> Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
> course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>
> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>
> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
> credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>
>

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Jan 18 12:59:38 2022
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:59:38 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
 <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moSH1XL6GgfrvM_orxpBy3f_eR9ZMWrQVSXYmJsrNMLO4A@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for the
list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they will
take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
character some of my better writing

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has happened!
>
> First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to improve
> the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
> help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
> fantastic!
>
> Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
> email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees of
> manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the R22. It
> was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
> future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
> years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> priceless!
>
> I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15 per
> month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in the
> process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice website
> functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
> Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original website
> and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you donation
> money to cover your costs as well).
>
> Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
> course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>
> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>
> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home
> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a
> credit card as well.
>
> --Peter
>
>

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 18:22:33 2022
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 23:22:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1616.1642468188.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1616.1642468188.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CAK_z4DrAxYvFqnMST1neT63iE+yt8tOEiEtKy0b7qRGrefxYXg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Raymarine wind instrument.  It is very nice to have, especially
when the bimini is up.  An experienced sailor does not need one but for us,
it comes in handy.  I can not see any reason to leave a Windex or similar
up there since you can also visually look at the Raymarine wind instrument
as well.  If you are going with one of the newer expensive vaneless wind
sensors, then that would be different.

Ken


On January 17, 2022 at 8:09:50 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org (
rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org) wrote:

Hi, I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but
it?s a bit crowded up there. Have you done that? I?d prefer not to remove
the masthead fly but I guess that would be an option. Thanks for your
insights, Michael McKay s/v Liber 2006/2018

From rweiss at siu.edu  Tue Jan 18 18:33:22 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 23:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <CAK_z4DrAxYvFqnMST1neT63iE+yt8tOEiEtKy0b7qRGrefxYXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1616.1642468188.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <CAK_z4DrAxYvFqnMST1neT63iE+yt8tOEiEtKy0b7qRGrefxYXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB837812EFDFB358B5686589EFC6589@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Ken,

Do you have the i60 Wind or the i60 Close Hauled Wind?
What was involved in installation?

Thanks,
Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

I have a Raymarine wind instrument.  It is very nice to have, especially
when the bimini is up.  An experienced sailor does not need one but for us,
it comes in handy.  I can not see any reason to leave a Windex or similar
up there since you can also visually look at the Raymarine wind instrument
as well.  If you are going with one of the newer expensive vaneless wind
sensors, then that would be different.

Ken


On January 17, 2022 at 8:09:50 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org (
rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org) wrote:

Hi, I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but
it?s a bit crowded up there. Have you done that? I?d prefer not to remove
the masthead fly but I guess that would be an option. Thanks for your
insights, Michael McKay s/v Liber 2006/2018

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 20:08:26 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVjb4xpH6c7z=Cada8hWC00yQ31S4_fBmK7N28mnBP0dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVjb4xpH6c7z=Cada8hWC00yQ31S4_fBmK7N28mnBP0dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A564E0D-D36B-49BB-AFD6-23B562566D54@gmail.com>

?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Obviously Tom, an Alto clarinet.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:14 AM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I thought this thread was about a musical instrument upon starting to
>> read.  A nice clarinet up top?
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 7:17 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Leave the Windex where it is.
>>> Add a SS or aluminum tang that protrudes forward about a foot. Mount the
>>> wind instrument to the forward part of the tang.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:37 AM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks Peter, masthead fly=windex, mine is from Davis also.
>>>> 
>>>> A masthead fly, with a wind arrow, goes at the top of the mast and
>>> points into the wind.
>>>> 
>>>> I realize that a wind instrument for a Rhodes is not really needed, but
>>> I?m pretending she?s a 35 footer on the Atlantic instead of my small
>> inland
>>> lake in Georgia. That?s why I?m also installing a chart plotter!
>>>> 
>>>> Michael McKay
>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed
>>> to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a
>>> Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at
>>> up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's a masthead fly?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but
>>> it?s a bit
>>>>>> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the
>>> masthead
>>>>>> fly but I guess that would be an option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your insights,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael McKay
>>>>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:07:26 2022
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 03:07:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <CAK_z4DrDNuphx-ByovORh_PKb=KztOez2GRVWWFU10ndeEaVCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob,

I have the wired ST60 display and wind sensor, used off of Ebay.  Earlier,
I posted some pictures of the ?temporary? swinging display setup that I
installed in the hatchway.  It has worked so well that we have kept it like
that.  The installation was pretty simple because we have not installed the
electrical bulkheads yet to bring the cable into the cabin but instead just
ran the cable inside the mast and then ialong the pop up and in through the
hatch.  Eventually we will install the bulkhead fittings.  Electrically, it
is jumpered from our ST60+ 3 in 1 speed/depth display.

(FYI, I normally only see the digest so if you need a quicker response on
something, email direct).

Ken

???????
Tue Jan 18 18:33:22 EST 2022
Ken,

Do you have the i60 Wind or the i60 Close Hauled Wind?
What was involved in installation?

Thanks,
Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 04:54:42 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 04:54:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>

I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
outboard is in the raised position?

Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 07:59:57 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:59:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moSH1XL6GgfrvM_orxpBy3f_eR9ZMWrQVSXYmJsrNMLO4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
 <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAH-6moSH1XL6GgfrvM_orxpBy3f_eR9ZMWrQVSXYmJsrNMLO4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMN+0KLmCALvy1-7y2NNL=uKbr-iVs+u3_wcSw_cKRwOdg@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know Michael...some of your insult letters were pretty funny...even
if mostly internet generated...

Todd T

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for the
> list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they will
> take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
> character some of my better writing
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has happened!
> >
> > First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to improve
> > the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
> > help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
> > fantastic!
> >
> > Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
> > email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> > current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees
> of
> > manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the R22.
> It
> > was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
> > future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
> > years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> > priceless!
> >
> > I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> > financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> > disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15 per
> > month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in
> the
> > process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> > security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> > "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice website
> > functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
> > Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original website
> > and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you
> donation
> > money to cover your costs as well).
> >
> > Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
> > course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> >
> > I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> >
> > As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> > list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
> > in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> home
> > page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
> > have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
> a
> > credit card as well.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >
>

From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Jan 19 08:15:42 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:15:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB83780697064FC8D287806F40C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Yes! On mine there is a pin that is removed so that the arm can be swung around and hooked to the side of the tiller.

Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 3:54 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
outboard is in the raised position?

Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Jan 19 09:19:46 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:19:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1689906848.1024286.1642601986721@mail.yahoo.com>

yes? ?on my motor lift


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2022 4:54 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
outboard is in the raised position?

Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD

From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Jan 19 09:27:16 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:27:16 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <1689906848.1024286.1642601986721@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1689906848.1024286.1642601986721@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB837826DACE23E09BC3DA76B1C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

[Image.jpeg]

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:19:46 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

yes   on my motor lift


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2022 4:54 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
outboard is in the raised position?

Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Jan 19 10:56:51 2022
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMN+0KLmCALvy1-7y2NNL=uKbr-iVs+u3_wcSw_cKRwOdg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1FABD8A5-AC72-459D-BDBE-D815DA584C7C@mac.com>

Michael Meltzer

Is a decoder ring included??

Thinking of Rummy as I write this!



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2022, at 6:00 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I don't know Michael...some of your insult letters were pretty funny...even
> if mostly internet generated...
> 
> Todd T
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for the
>> list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they will
>> take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
>> character some of my better writing
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has happened!
>>> 
>>> First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to improve
>>> the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
>>> help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
>>> fantastic!
>>> 
>>> Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
>>> email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
>>> current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees
>> of
>>> manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the R22.
>> It
>>> was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
>>> future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
>>> years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
>>> priceless!
>>> 
>>> I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
>>> financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
>>> disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15 per
>>> month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in
>> the
>>> process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
>>> security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
>>> "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice website
>>> functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
>>> Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original website
>>> and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you
>> donation
>>> money to cover your costs as well).
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
>>> course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>>> 
>>> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>>> 
>>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
>>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out
>>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
>> home
>>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't
>>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use
>> a
>>> credit card as well.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 12:05:30 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB83780697064FC8D287806F40C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB83780697064FC8D287806F40C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBATd+Uaa6r50VbRUpZLouDXOFSJxuGrUBcDmvbMm6CSrg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bob
that confirms my expectations about the interconnect.
bob

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:15 AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Yes! On mine there is a pin that is removed so that the arm can be swung
> around and hooked to the side of the tiller.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> Recycled 2014
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob
> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 3:54 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
> Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
> outboard is in the raised position?
>
> Thanks
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie
> Kent Island, MD
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 12:14:00 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837826DACE23E09BC3DA76B1C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCVzTC6VtzGwvcqsa0=JMq0FxWzuzA5KDgROZTabkeMMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1689906848.1024286.1642601986721@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CH0PR07MB837826DACE23E09BC3DA76B1C6599@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <002401d80d57$f39dcab0$dad96010$@gmail.com>

Bob, you will have to remove the tiller connection at all times except when
maneuvering under power.

I originally thought the tiller to outboard connection would be a great
feature, but I found that it was not useful or necessary in my case for two
reasons:

1) The effective range of motion using the tiller connection on my outboard
(Mercury 8hp) is too limited.  I can make much sharper turns with just the
rudder when under power.  On rare occasions, I manually swivel the outboard
when maneuvering in close quarters at slow speed.  It's a bit awkward, but
not that difficult. 

2) The resistance introduced by the outboard swivel clutch is very high,
making it very difficult to move the tiller.  You can release that clutch
when the outboard connection is in place, but that just makes the whole
process cumbersome and you have to remember to re-engage the clutch
afterwards. 


Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Weiss,
Robert L via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:27 AM
To: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

[Image.jpeg]

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mark
West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:19:46 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

yes   on my motor lift


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2022 4:54 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
outboard is in the raised position?

Thanks
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Wed Jan 19 18:37:24 2022
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 17:37:24 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
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References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
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A little background, the list predate most other media platforms (think
Facebook, twitter, etc) so they was a high level of chit-chat here. Well
sometimes a flame war broke out. Or someone else pissing at me. General I
would respond with something like below. After the person spent hours
replying, and would get another one ? someone would let them know they
been had by a computer and would defuse it

The purpose of this letter is to outline a plan to call a spade a spade.
What follows is a series of remarks addressed to the readers of this letter
and to Mr. Todd Tavares himself. Sure, Todd talks the talk, but does he
walk the walk? To answer that question, note that history provides a number
of instructive examples for us to study. For instance, it has long been the
case that if you?re interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery,
cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which Todd
may impose a particular curriculum, vision of history, and method of
pedagogy on our school systems one of these days, then you?ll want to
consider the following very carefully. You?ll especially want to consider
that if my own experience has taught me anything, it?s that Todd has been
trying repeatedly to declare a national emergency, round up everyone who
disagrees with him, and put them in concentration camps. We should figure
out what systemic and structural changes might be made locally to prevent
him from succeeding at that.

It may well be true that Todd?s declamations are enmeshed in classism, but
by the same token, he keeps saying we should have an honest conversation
about exclusivism. As you could probably guess, Todd actually has no
interest in having what an ordinary person would think of as an honest
conversation. The only topics allowed in his version are those that concur
with Todd?s belief that he?s a perpetual victim of injustice. In a truly
honest conversation one would be allowed to present the inconvenient (to
Todd) fact that most of you reading this letter have your hearts in the
right place. Now follow your hearts with actions.

We must use our minds and spirits to halt Todd?s efforts to pander to
pot-valiant inebriates. Todd and his appalling, shabby secret police must
cachinnate about this in private, knowing that Todd?s claim that he?s God?s
chosen instrument to save our nation from impending doom is completely at
odds with the established historical record. Nevertheless, Todd has been
promoting that view for years, which, in my opinion, qualifies it as a
hoax. Todd, get a life! Personally, I don?t expect Todd to give up his
crusade to destroy the lives of good, honest people, but we?ll see. Given
that the subtext of what I?m saying is that some of his arguments are so
convoluted that they require a dictionary, a decoder ring, and a team of
scholars to decipher, it stands to reason that while Todd and other
teterrimous ignoramuses sometimes differ on the details and scale of their
upcoming campaigns of terror they never fail to agree on the basic
principle and substance. Hence, it is imperative that you understand that
his shiftless attempt to construct a creative response to my previous
letter was absolutely pitiful. Really, Todd, stringing together a bunch of
solecistic insults and seemingly random babble is hardly effective. It
simply proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we must learn to celebrate
our diversity, not because it is the politically correct thing to do but
because Todd has one-upped George Washington in that he cannot tell a lie
*and* cannot tell the truth. Basically, he?s too homicidal to distinguish
between the two. Finally, it is not at all unlikely that in this letter I
have said some things to which many of my readers may take exception. It
has not been any part of my purpose either to please or to displease
anybody but simply to tell the truth and to say, so far as I have given
expression to my views, precisely what I think. And what I think is this:
Mr. Todd Tavares has become increasingly irrational ever since childhood.


On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 7:00 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know Michael...some of your insult letters were pretty funny...even
> if mostly internet generated...
>
> Todd T
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for the
> > list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they will
> > take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
> > character some of my better writing
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has
> happened!
> > >
> > > First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to
> improve
> > > the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
> > > help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
> > > fantastic!
> > >
> > > Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
> > > email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> > > current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees
> > of
> > > manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the
> R22.
> > It
> > > was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
> > > future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
> > > years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> > > priceless!
> > >
> > > I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> > > financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> > > disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15
> per
> > > month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in
> > the
> > > process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> > > security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> > > "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice
> website
> > > functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
> > > Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original
> website
> > > and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you
> > donation
> > > money to cover your costs as well).
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
> > > course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> > >
> > > I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> > >
> > > As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> > > list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike
> out
> > > in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> > home
> > > page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you
> don't
> > > have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to
> use
> > a
> > > credit card as well.
> > >
> > > --Peter
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Wed Jan 19 18:40:22 2022
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 17:40:22 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <1FABD8A5-AC72-459D-BDBE-D815DA584C7C@mac.com>
References: <CAB-twMN+0KLmCALvy1-7y2NNL=uKbr-iVs+u3_wcSw_cKRwOdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1FABD8A5-AC72-459D-BDBE-D815DA584C7C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moS+RJ4gg3s464Z7y2pT9d=tiesMWJbZE7kDS4_ghe063Q@mail.gmail.com>

Need a gift for some one, grabbed a bottle of mount gay thinking of him.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 9:56 AM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Michael Meltzer
>
> Is a decoder ring included??
>
> Thinking of Rummy as I write this!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 19, 2022, at 6:00 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I don't know Michael...some of your insult letters were pretty
> funny...even
> > if mostly internet generated...
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for the
> >> list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they
> will
> >> take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
> >> character some of my better writing
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has
> happened!
> >>>
> >>> First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to
> improve
> >>> the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate to
> >>> help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has been
> >>> fantastic!
> >>>
> >>> Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the Rhodies
> >>> email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> >>> current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than employees
> >> of
> >>> manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the
> R22.
> >> It
> >>> was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource for
> >>> future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly six
> >>> years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> >>> priceless!
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> >>> financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> >>> disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15
> per
> >>> month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am in
> >> the
> >>> process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> >>> security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> >>> "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice
> website
> >>> functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank Mike
> >>> Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original
> website
> >>> and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you
> >> donation
> >>> money to cover your costs as well).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and, of
> >>> course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >>> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> >>>
> >>> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >>> Peter Nyberg
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> >>>
> >>> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email
> >>> list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike
> out
> >>> in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> >> home
> >>> page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you
> don't
> >>> have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to
> use
> >> a
> >>> credit card as well.
> >>>
> >>> --Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 20:22:33 2022
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:22:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <574BBF60-0260-4C00-8701-01081B1AC58E@gmail.com>

Mine was sent in. Thanks, Mike, for all you take care of.
Jay Friedland



> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:40 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> 
> As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our email list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike out in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website home page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you don't have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to use a credit card as well.
> 
> --Peter
> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 23:06:50 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 23:06:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moRhbLfgY8Cord22Jtso99_oL-pL21txJZqfJkoaiifo9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1n8lKV-00074d-0r@s152.servername.online>
 <014401d80be2$8718e620$954ab260$@gmail.com>
 <026b01d80c2b$5b7c4ef0$1274ecd0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAH-6moSH1XL6GgfrvM_orxpBy3f_eR9ZMWrQVSXYmJsrNMLO4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMN+0KLmCALvy1-7y2NNL=uKbr-iVs+u3_wcSw_cKRwOdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moRhbLfgY8Cord22Jtso99_oL-pL21txJZqfJkoaiifo9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPQNfuZUEqWuB5xmeokjGvYUyO9MDcGTC5=NxdjA0eeXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hilarious!

I have them all saved on an old thumb drive somewhere...
I liked the one about...I'd shoot myself in the head just to prove that my
gun works...

Still funny after all these years.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 6:37 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> A little background, the list predate most other media platforms (think
> Facebook, twitter, etc) so they was a high level of chit-chat here. Well
> sometimes a flame war broke out. Or someone else pissing at me. General I
> would respond with something like below. After the person spent hours
> replying, and would get another one ? someone would let them know they
> been had by a computer and would defuse it
>
> The purpose of this letter is to outline a plan to call a spade a spade.
> What follows is a series of remarks addressed to the readers of this letter
> and to Mr. Todd Tavares himself. Sure, Todd talks the talk, but does he
> walk the walk? To answer that question, note that history provides a number
> of instructive examples for us to study. For instance, it has long been the
> case that if you?re interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery,
> cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which Todd
> may impose a particular curriculum, vision of history, and method of
> pedagogy on our school systems one of these days, then you?ll want to
> consider the following very carefully. You?ll especially want to consider
> that if my own experience has taught me anything, it?s that Todd has been
> trying repeatedly to declare a national emergency, round up everyone who
> disagrees with him, and put them in concentration camps. We should figure
> out what systemic and structural changes might be made locally to prevent
> him from succeeding at that.
>
> It may well be true that Todd?s declamations are enmeshed in classism, but
> by the same token, he keeps saying we should have an honest conversation
> about exclusivism. As you could probably guess, Todd actually has no
> interest in having what an ordinary person would think of as an honest
> conversation. The only topics allowed in his version are those that concur
> with Todd?s belief that he?s a perpetual victim of injustice. In a truly
> honest conversation one would be allowed to present the inconvenient (to
> Todd) fact that most of you reading this letter have your hearts in the
> right place. Now follow your hearts with actions.
>
> We must use our minds and spirits to halt Todd?s efforts to pander to
> pot-valiant inebriates. Todd and his appalling, shabby secret police must
> cachinnate about this in private, knowing that Todd?s claim that he?s God?s
> chosen instrument to save our nation from impending doom is completely at
> odds with the established historical record. Nevertheless, Todd has been
> promoting that view for years, which, in my opinion, qualifies it as a
> hoax. Todd, get a life! Personally, I don?t expect Todd to give up his
> crusade to destroy the lives of good, honest people, but we?ll see. Given
> that the subtext of what I?m saying is that some of his arguments are so
> convoluted that they require a dictionary, a decoder ring, and a team of
> scholars to decipher, it stands to reason that while Todd and other
> teterrimous ignoramuses sometimes differ on the details and scale of their
> upcoming campaigns of terror they never fail to agree on the basic
> principle and substance. Hence, it is imperative that you understand that
> his shiftless attempt to construct a creative response to my previous
> letter was absolutely pitiful. Really, Todd, stringing together a bunch of
> solecistic insults and seemingly random babble is hardly effective. It
> simply proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we must learn to celebrate
> our diversity, not because it is the politically correct thing to do but
> because Todd has one-upped George Washington in that he cannot tell a lie
> *and* cannot tell the truth. Basically, he?s too homicidal to distinguish
> between the two. Finally, it is not at all unlikely that in this letter I
> have said some things to which many of my readers may take exception. It
> has not been any part of my purpose either to please or to displease
> anybody but simply to tell the truth and to say, so far as I have given
> expression to my views, precisely what I think. And what I think is this:
> Mr. Todd Tavares has become increasingly irrational ever since childhood.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 7:00 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know Michael...some of your insult letters were pretty
> funny...even
> > if mostly internet generated...
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 PM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for the mention, been going from 1998, pretty good run for
> the
> > > list/website. Any donations please use to pay for the DNS fees, they
> will
> > > take anyone money who is willing to pay them ? still consider the list
> > > character some of my better writing
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 11:22 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow, I was off the grid for a few days, ok, weeks, and lots has
> > happened!
> > > >
> > > > First, I'd like to thank Peter Nyberg for all that he has done to
> > improve
> > > > the Rhodes22.org website and coordinate an annual reminder to donate
> to
> > > > help defray operating costs for the website and email list. He has
> been
> > > > fantastic!
> > > >
> > > > Next, I'd like to thank everyone who has become a member of the
> Rhodies
> > > > email list community. Together, we provide a support network for all
> > > > current owners of Rhodes 22 sailboats. We respond faster than
> employees
> > > of
> > > > manufacturers and create new and novel changes and additions to the
> > R22.
> > > It
> > > > was my dream to be able to maintain such a community as a resource
> for
> > > > future Rhodies when I assumed the hosting responsibilities, nearly
> six
> > > > years ago. It is these contributions of time and knowledge that are
> > > > priceless!
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate every donation of time or money. I will tally all of the
> > > > financial donations and report. For those who are concerned about the
> > > > disposition of the donations, the basic AWS server costs roughly $15
> > per
> > > > month. Added to that is the cost of DNS functions and the like. I am
> in
> > > the
> > > > process of adding capabilities to support greater security (https /
> > > > security certificate), multiple databases and additional website
> > > > "languages". These changes to the server will enable support nice
> > website
> > > > functions that Peter developed last year. By the way, please thank
> Mike
> > > > Meltzer for his role in founding the list, creating the original
> > website
> > > > and maintaining the domain itself (Mike - I would like to send you
> > > donation
> > > > money to cover your costs as well).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all who donate their knowledge, time, videos, photos, and,
> of
> > > > course, dollars, to make this community thrive!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > > mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:41 PM
> > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> > > >
> > > > I donated $20.  Thanks Mike for your efforts!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:51 AM
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> > > >
> > > > As many of you know, Mike Weisner covers the cost of hosting our
> email
> > > > list and website out of his own pocket.  Should you wish to help Mike
> > out
> > > > in this regard, there's an easy to use 'Donate' button on the website
> > > home
> > > > page (http://rhodes22.org).  This operates via PayPal, but if you
> > don't
> > > > have a PayPal account, I'm pretty sure the process will allow you to
> > use
> > > a
> > > > credit card as well.
> > > >
> > > > --Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From forg3d at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 10:03:06 2022
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 09:03:06 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing wood interior
Message-ID: <31EB3983-E6BA-49CF-B4AC-93E30B5737E6@gmail.com>

Folks,

Need some thoughts.  I have gutted my Rhodes of ruined wood interior.  Thinking of replacing all the marine plywood with starboard.  

Not too worried about costs.  

Any mapping of the thickness of plywood to Starboard.

Thanks,
In advance.

Sent from my iPhone

From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 10:07:57 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing wood interior
In-Reply-To: <31EB3983-E6BA-49CF-B4AC-93E30B5737E6@gmail.com>
References: <31EB3983-E6BA-49CF-B4AC-93E30B5737E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02E649BB-A5DE-4F40-903C-EC54A5EDA5B9@aol.com>

I did a gut 2 years ago.  Make sure stringers are intact and not rotted.  I wound up putting in bilge pump and installing 3/4? tiger wood with 1/16? gaps to ensure air circulation.  

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Folks,
> 
> Need some thoughts.  I have gutted my Rhodes of ruined wood interior.  Thinking of replacing all the marine plywood with starboard.  
> 
> Not too worried about costs.  
> 
> Any mapping of the thickness of plywood to Starboard.
> 
> Thanks,
> In advance.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Jan 20 10:09:53 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:09:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New flooring
References: <57FD33E7-EF3F-4C63-BAAF-89A2E7D13A83.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <57FD33E7-EF3F-4C63-BAAF-89A2E7D13A83@aol.com>

Here is a photo of completed project.  

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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jan 20 10:23:44 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 15:23:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New flooring
In-Reply-To: <57FD33E7-EF3F-4C63-BAAF-89A2E7D13A83@aol.com>
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Thomas,
That's certainly a nice before and after photo.  Nicely done! - Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:09 AM
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jan 20 10:45:38 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 07:45:38 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing wood interior
Message-ID: <E1nAZd4-002XNn-3A@s152.servername.online>

It's not clear to me what interior components you're considering making from Starboard, but I will offer two cautions:

1) Most adhesives will not stick to it well, and even ones that will work require a special process.  Details can be found here: https://www.kingplastic.com/using-adhesive-with-king-starboard-2

2) The textured surface is difficult to impossible to keep clean.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-20, at 10:03:06 EST, Jeffrey Camiel wrote:
>
> Folks,
> 
> Need some thoughts.  I have gutted my Rhodes of ruined wood interior.  Thinking 
> of replacing all the marine plywood with starboard. 
> 
> Not too worried about costs.
> 
> Any mapping of the thickness of plywood to Starboard.
> 
> Thanks,
> In advance.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jan 20 10:56:03 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing wood interior
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Marine Plywood will last longer than you will and will be much easier for a number of reasons.
It?s great material, but I wouldn?t use Strarboard for any of that  
My 2?
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jan 20, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> It's not clear to me what interior components you're considering making from Starboard, but I will offer two cautions:
> 
> 1) Most adhesives will not stick to it well, and even ones that will work require a special process.  Details can be found here: https://www.kingplastic.com/using-adhesive-with-king-starboard-2
> 
> 2) The textured surface is difficult to impossible to keep clean.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2022-01-20, at 10:03:06 EST, Jeffrey Camiel wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Need some thoughts.  I have gutted my Rhodes of ruined wood interior.  Thinking 
>> of replacing all the marine plywood with starboard. 
>> 
>> Not too worried about costs.
>> 
>> Any mapping of the thickness of plywood to Starboard.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> In advance.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 11:45:52 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:45:52 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New flooring
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Nice woodwork!

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:09 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Here is a photo of completed project.
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 12:00:32 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New flooring
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Wow!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 9:46 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nice woodwork!
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:09 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
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>> 
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 07:10:32 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:10:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkE5=XaFG=5NB5dt4Ujcs0__n5qL7ns7vJQSgsVL=hbVA@mail.gmail.com>

I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 08:42:46 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 08:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
with this vessel.
Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jan 21 10:05:58 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 15:05:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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Bob & Jeff,

The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.

Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.  You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.

This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to docking.

It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.

Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
with this vessel.
Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc137de0632540da681f08d9dce3f043%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637783693819652051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yE3ddR9mO8DtUj0wCb6ybevj3YcjJisBjuaqi0lT6JY%3D&amp;reserved=0
> 732-236-1368
>


From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Jan 21 10:07:05 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:07:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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I have the linkage for the Yamaha. I was unable to modify it for my Mercury 5. If anyone wants it let me know.
Scott 86? Rhodes22 
C-610-368-4538

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2022, at 8:43 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
>> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 13:10:03 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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I have a tiller on my outboard that I use to steer with the motor,
especially when backing up in a tight spot.  But I prefer to sit forward in
the cockpit, so I use a tiller extension that allows me to do that.  The
extension clamps onto the end of the motor tiller and the clamp connects to
the extension bar with a universal joint.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob & Jeff,
>
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all
> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
> ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
> boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
> docking.
>
> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc137de0632540da681f08d9dce3f043%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637783693819652051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yE3ddR9mO8DtUj0wCb6ybevj3YcjJisBjuaqi0lT6JY%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 17:47:33 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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1.  As usual, great advice from the list.
2.  Based on its size, weight, big rudder, and centerboard; our boats turn
on a dime with or without the tiller link.  However, I loved it on my old
boat.  It just makes it so much easier to steer the motor when it's
connected to the tiller.
3.  Second however, my old boat had the 9.9hp Mercury.  Stan and his crew
tried to connect the tiller link to my 6hp Tohatsu and just couldn't get it
to work.  No matter the adjustment the motor wouldn't align with the rudder
and would spin too much to the side.  Apparently they have had the same
problem with other small motors.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA



On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob & Jeff,
>
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all
> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
> ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
> boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
> docking.
>
> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc137de0632540da681f08d9dce3f043%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637783693819652051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yE3ddR9mO8DtUj0wCb6ybevj3YcjJisBjuaqi0lT6JY%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 21:24:17 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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Hi Roger,
Thanks for the guidance on this.
The challenge that I have is this.
I leave my boat stern-in in the slip.
To do this, I usually head directly at the slip, then 90? to port, stop
just past my slip, and reverse 90? to starboard and back into the slip.

My primary objective is to make a tight 90? turn to port and have my
starboard quarter snug up to the piling. I grab a dock line from that
piling and then reverse and pivot into slip, stern in.

See the attached image for a better illustration (perhaps). Basically, I?m
looking to make as tight a 90? as possible.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob & Jeff,
>
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all
> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
> ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
> boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
> docking.
>
> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc137de0632540da681f08d9dce3f043%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637783693819652051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yE3ddR9mO8DtUj0wCb6ybevj3YcjJisBjuaqi0lT6JY%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 23:51:01 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 23:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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Videos of these types of maneuvers would be fascinating and so instructive! 
  
Larry

> On Jan 21, 2022, at 9:24 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Roger,
> Thanks for the guidance on this.
> The challenge that I have is this.
> I leave my boat stern-in in the slip.
> To do this, I usually head directly at the slip, then 90? to port, stop
> just past my slip, and reverse 90? to starboard and back into the slip.
> 
> My primary objective is to make a tight 90? turn to port and have my
> starboard quarter snug up to the piling. I grab a dock line from that
> piling and then reverse and pivot into slip, stern in.
> 
> See the attached image for a better illustration (perhaps). Basically, I?m
> looking to make as tight a 90? as possible.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob & Jeff,
>> 
>> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
>> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>> 
>> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
>> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
>> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
>> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
>> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all
>> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
>> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
>> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
>> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
>> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
>> ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
>> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
>> tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
>> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
>> boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
>> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
>> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
>> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
>> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
>> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>> 
>> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
>> cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
>> docking.
>> 
>> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
>> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
>> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
>> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
>> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>> 
>> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>> 
>> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
>> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
>> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
>> with this vessel.
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jeff Smith
>>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc137de0632540da681f08d9dce3f043%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637783693819652051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yE3ddR9mO8DtUj0wCb6ybevj3YcjJisBjuaqi0lT6JY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 732-236-1368
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 07:20:05 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 07:20:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkTmf-NvDxkUeoN7gQXrhkisHa=mkUFZKX3RavsPVvPLg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Roger,

I'll try in the Spring.

I use the Interconnect mainly to make a tight enough turn to pick up my
mooring.
Occasionally I forget to remove the linkage before raising the motor.
Thankfully it is made from a fairly bendable plastic and so far it has bent
but not broken.  I have caught my mistake before the motor is fully up.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan 22 11:06:49 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:06:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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Bob,

Boy that?s a challenging slip!  I hope the marina gave you a discount for the royal PITA factor.  If there is much of a cross wind, it must be a real bear, especially stern to.  If I encountered something like this while cruising (i.e. no practice!), I think I would drop someone on the end of the pier with the dock lines and use the lines to warp the boat in.

I?ve never attempted this; but, in principle, there is no reason why you can?t apply reverse thrust with the motor tiller hard over to port for a little longer to make the boat turn 180 deg in it?s own length.  I think I would start the turn when my bow was even with the finger pier on the starboard side as per your diagram.  But, instead of a 90 deg turn to port, I would turn 180 deg to port.  I would pick up the dock line off the piling as I was backing into the slip.  Instead of having to make a critical 90 deg turn in reverse, you would only need to make minor course corrections as you back into the slip.  Your major maneuver is done to port and away from the docks, thus giving you maximum space and time to react if something goes wrong.  Never the less, I would have some helpers standing by on the docks to catch you while I practiced this maneuver a few times!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium





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From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 6:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

Hi Roger,
Thanks for the guidance on this.
The challenge that I have is this.
I leave my boat stern-in in the slip.
To do this, I usually head directly at the slip, then 90? to port, stop
just past my slip, and reverse 90? to starboard and back into the slip.

My primary objective is to make a tight 90? turn to port and have my
starboard quarter snug up to the piling. I grab a dock line from that
piling and then reverse and pivot into slip, stern in.

See the attached image for a better illustration (perhaps). Basically, I?m
looking to make as tight a 90? as possible.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob & Jeff,
>
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all
> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
> ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
> boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
> docking.
>
> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf076154257bc44dbf9aa08d9dd4e53cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784150758957291%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=MvQY0BI%2FrFxflCM8TWD804B2X1HiZxsV4MAQg1ptrgw%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf076154257bc44dbf9aa08d9dd4e53cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784150758957291%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JkRRo7i%2B7OYnDqBbmbpJXcmRjOVaBA7iPgUOIZQDnqU%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 11:12:46 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
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Hi Roger,
Yes, I have the cheapest slip in the marina. That being said, it?s still
expensive. But Castle Marina has been terrific for me since I arrived here
4 years ago. It gives me terrific access to the Chester River and I managed
to sail over 700 miles, mostly on the Chester in that time.

And yes, crosswinds are a bear. When I have to approach from the opposite
direction and make a hard 90? turn to starboard, it?s a bit more dicey
because I don?t have access to a convenient piling.

I?ll keep working on it. And thanks again for your advice. Much appreciated.
Bob

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 11:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Boy that?s a challenging slip!  I hope the marina gave you a discount for
> the royal PITA factor.  If there is much of a cross wind, it must be a real
> bear, especially stern to.  If I encountered something like this while
> cruising (i.e. no practice!), I think I would drop someone on the end of
> the pier with the dock lines and use the lines to warp the boat in.
>
> I?ve never attempted this; but, in principle, there is no reason why you
> can?t apply reverse thrust with the motor tiller hard over to port for a
> little longer to make the boat turn 180 deg in it?s own length.  I think I
> would start the turn when my bow was even with the finger pier on the
> starboard side as per your diagram.  But, instead of a 90 deg turn to port,
> I would turn 180 deg to port.  I would pick up the dock line off the piling
> as I was backing into the slip.  Instead of having to make a critical 90
> deg turn in reverse, you would only need to make minor course corrections
> as you back into the slip.  Your major maneuver is done to port and away
> from the docks, thus giving you maximum space and time to react if
> something goes wrong.  Never the less, I would have some helpers standing
> by on the docks to catch you while I practiced this maneuver a few times!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 6:24 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> Hi Roger,
> Thanks for the guidance on this.
> The challenge that I have is this.
> I leave my boat stern-in in the slip.
> To do this, I usually head directly at the slip, then 90? to port, stop
> just past my slip, and reverse 90? to starboard and back into the slip.
>
> My primary objective is to make a tight 90? turn to port and have my
> starboard quarter snug up to the piling. I grab a dock line from that
> piling and then reverse and pivot into slip, stern in.
>
> See the attached image for a better illustration (perhaps). Basically, I?m
> looking to make as tight a 90? as possible.
>
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Bob & Jeff,
> >
> > The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> > involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
> >
> > Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> > You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> > maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat
> length
> > away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> > finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller
> all
> > the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> > do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> > throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> > boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> > down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward
> about
> > ? boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle
> and
> > then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> > tiller.  The boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> > Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.
> The
> > boat will use up it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> > of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the
> slip,
> > with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> > between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> > idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> > tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
> >
> > This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> > cross wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to
> > docking.
> >
> > It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> > attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> > faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying
> sideways
> > and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> > connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
> >
> > Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf076154257bc44dbf9aa08d9dd4e53cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784150758957291%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=MvQY0BI%2FrFxflCM8TWD804B2X1HiZxsV4MAQg1ptrgw%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
> >
> > From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
> >
> > That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> > maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> > I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> > with this vessel.
> > Bob
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Jeff Smith
> > >
> >
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 12:03:01 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:03:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Roger:

I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
slip. 

I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
correct? 

Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
boat rotating in place without much forward movement?

Dock on Port side as I approach

a.	Shift the motor into neutral and 
b.	turn the motor?s tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]  

	When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
following in quick succession.  

c.	Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
d.	put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
e.	At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
f.	shift into neutral.  
g.	Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.

I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
very restricted docking area.

Thanks for this and any further explanation.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions

Bob & Jeff,

The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.

Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all the way
the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
shifting into reverse.

This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to docking.

It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.

Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
with this vessel.
Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
>
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Sat Jan 22 12:44:33 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:44:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Thanks Roger! That?s definitely on my spring to do list. This will be my first season in a slip.
Scott A. 86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
> dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
> slip. 
> 
> I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
> I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
> instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
> correct? 
> 
> Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
> boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
> 
> Dock on Port side as I approach
> 
> a.    Shift the motor into neutral and 
> b.    turn the motor?s tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
> turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]  
> 
>    When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  
> 
> c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
> d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
> e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
> f.    shift into neutral.  
> g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
> 
> I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
> very restricted docking area.
> 
> Thanks for this and any further explanation.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> 
> Bob & Jeff,
> 
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
> 
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
> pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor?s tiller all the way
> the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
> put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
> deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
> about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
> At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
> neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
> boat?s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
> and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
> it?s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
> will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
> pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
> side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
> For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
> shifting into reverse.
> 
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
> wind &/or cross current.  It?s also very useful for a stern to docking.
> 
> It?s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
> 
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
> 
> That?s what I?m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> 
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> 
> 


From chcarreon at cox.net  Sat Jan 22 12:53:16 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:53:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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Hi all,
  My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
 What about wiring the pump? 

 What about a second pump?

Chuy Carreon
AfterMath, 1987
Phoenix, Arizona

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan 22 13:34:26 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:34:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
> dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
> slip. 
Because the boat is only going to side slip a little, for a starboard side tie up, you should start this maneuver about 1/3 boat length later vs a port side tie up.  This will put your starboard side rub rail close to the dock.
> 
> I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
> I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
> instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
> correct? 
> 
> Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
> boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
Yaw refers to rotation about the boat?s center of rotation when viewed from above.  Yawing to port implies a counterclockwise ( CCW ) rotation.
> 
> Dock on Port side as I approach
> 
> a.    Shift the motor into neutral and 
> b.    turn the motor's tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
> turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]
Yes. You should have your motor mount adjusted so the motor does not rotate when you let go of the motor tiller. 

It?s a little counter intuitive.  I find it easier to think in terms of thrust vectors and torque moment arms.  In reverse, the motor?s thrust is applied to the transom pushing backwards and sideways towards starboard.  The sideways component of the thrust acts thru the moment arm ( ~12 ft ) from the motor to the boat?s center of rotation to produce a CCW torque. 
 Torque = [Moment Arm]  * [Thrust]
Because the [Moment Arm] is so long, a relatively small amount of thrust from our tiny outboards can produce a prodigious amount of torque.
Because the motor is mounted off center, the reverse thrust component also has a small [Moment Arm] ( ~2 ft ) to the center of rotation to produce an additional CCW torque.  These 2 CCW torques are additive, thus making the boat yaw faster in the CCW direction.
> 
>    When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  
> 
> c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
> d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
> e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
> f.    shift into neutral.  
> g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
> 
> I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
> very restricted docking area.
> 
> Thanks for this and any further explanation.

Because the motor is mounted off center to port on the transom, there is a noticeable difference in the maximum yaw rate ( ie deg yaw/sec ) that can be achieved in each direction.  When yawing to port ( CCW rotation ), the reverse thrust component aids the rotation, thus increasing the maximum yaw rate.  Conversely, when yawing to starboard ( CW rotation ), the reverse thrust component acts in opposition to the rotation, thus reducing the available torque and limiting the maximum yaw rate.  It?s not a huge difference.  But it?s noticeable enough that you should practice this maneuver in both directions.  In either direction, you can still spin your Rhodes around in either direction faster with this technique than any other.  It?s just slightly slower yawing to starboard vs port.

Hopefully this helps Graham.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> 
> Bob & Jeff,
> 
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
> 
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
> pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor's tiller all the way
> the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
> put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
> deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
> about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
> At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
> neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
> boat's rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
> and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
> it's rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
> will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
> pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
> side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
> For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
> shifting into reverse.
> 
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
> wind &/or cross current.  It's also very useful for a stern to docking.
> 
> It's best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
> 
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cca383c93600244f9b65708d9ddc90fe4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784677904273096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JSU%2BlSzpYWOpf6mUmuCqCUTTyitSwTO0hhqrIZEhzxY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
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> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
> 
> That's what I'm looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 15:20:38 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Thanks Roger. 

I can't wait now to try this  once I launch next Spring. I have little room to maneuver in my little harbor and rocks all around so I really only have one chance to get it right. 

While I must admit that I have not generally thought in terms of "thrust vectors and torque moment arms" I appreciate the explanation and at least for a fleeting moment thought I understood.

So far I have depended primarily on shouting at my wife to get into the slip without harm and while that seems to work it has its downsides as well. If I can master your instructions I am sure she will be appreciative as well.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions



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> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
> dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
> slip. 
Because the boat is only going to side slip a little, for a starboard side tie up, you should start this maneuver about 1/3 boat length later vs a port side tie up.  This will put your starboard side rub rail close to the dock.
> 
> I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
> I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
> instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
> correct? 
> 
> Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
> boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
Yaw refers to rotation about the boat?s center of rotation when viewed from above.  Yawing to port implies a counterclockwise ( CCW ) rotation.
> 
> Dock on Port side as I approach
> 
> a.    Shift the motor into neutral and 
> b.    turn the motor's tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
> turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]
Yes. You should have your motor mount adjusted so the motor does not rotate when you let go of the motor tiller. 

It?s a little counter intuitive.  I find it easier to think in terms of thrust vectors and torque moment arms.  In reverse, the motor?s thrust is applied to the transom pushing backwards and sideways towards starboard.  The sideways component of the thrust acts thru the moment arm ( ~12 ft ) from the motor to the boat?s center of rotation to produce a CCW torque. 
 Torque = [Moment Arm]  * [Thrust]
Because the [Moment Arm] is so long, a relatively small amount of thrust from our tiny outboards can produce a prodigious amount of torque.
Because the motor is mounted off center, the reverse thrust component also has a small [Moment Arm] ( ~2 ft ) to the center of rotation to produce an additional CCW torque.  These 2 CCW torques are additive, thus making the boat yaw faster in the CCW direction.
> 
>    When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  
> 
> c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
> d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
> e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
> f.    shift into neutral.  
> g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
> 
> I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
> very restricted docking area.
> 
> Thanks for this and any further explanation.

Because the motor is mounted off center to port on the transom, there is a noticeable difference in the maximum yaw rate ( ie deg yaw/sec ) that can be achieved in each direction.  When yawing to port ( CCW rotation ), the reverse thrust component aids the rotation, thus increasing the maximum yaw rate.  Conversely, when yawing to starboard ( CW rotation ), the reverse thrust component acts in opposition to the rotation, thus reducing the available torque and limiting the maximum yaw rate.  It?s not a huge difference.  But it?s noticeable enough that you should practice this maneuver in both directions.  In either direction, you can still spin your Rhodes around in either direction faster with this technique than any other.  It?s just slightly slower yawing to starboard vs port.

Hopefully this helps Graham.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> 
> Bob & Jeff,
> 
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
> 
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
> pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor's tiller all the way
> the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
> put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
> deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
> about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
> At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
> neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
> boat's rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
> and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
> it's rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
> will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
> pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
> side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
> For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
> shifting into reverse.
> 
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
> wind &/or cross current.  It's also very useful for a stern to docking.
> 
> It's best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
> 
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> 
> That's what I'm looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Sat Jan 22 15:35:35 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:35:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
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Graham,
Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or do you have another one we don?t know about? This is the first time I can recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.

Rob

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 15:58:35 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
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Hi Rob:

I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I launched
in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Graham,
Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.

Rob
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Sat Jan 22 16:07:32 2022
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Graham,
Good to hear! Maybe I just missed it.  The boat looks great! How are the ports working out? I do recall your write up on that work. You do look like you have a tight area to work with. How deep is the water there? Looks you can see the bottom off your port side?

Rob
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:58 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Hi Rob:

I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I launched
in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Graham,
Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.

Rob
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 16:12:09 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:12:09 -0600
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Graham, I've enjoyed seeing the posts on your projects.  Your boat looks
great!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 2:58 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Hi Rob:
>
> I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I
> launched
> in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
> and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
> ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
>
> Graham,
> Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
> do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
> recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.
>
> Rob
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Jan 22 18:24:52 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
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I like to use my arm with a 12ft extension hook to grab/push things during
the landing.

We keep the tiller/motor coupler on and use an idle speed (as fast as I am
willing to hit something) until we are a boat length/width from our
finger.  Once in n, we crank hard for the turn. The boat turns fast and
then loses most of its momentum without any drive (in neutral). I grab a
dock cleat with the polehook , (in a way I can pull and push) and we are
gliding in.

I am a boat width wide of my spot when this starts too.

The wine glass hull shape, flat bottom, really aids turning quicker than
you think when you go for it.  But she slows down if you aren't keeping
forward thrust.

Ymmv in current and winds... She has nearly full sail with the amazing
freeboard.  Lol Very good in the seas, a little more consideration needed
moving slowly in a broadside wind.

Hth,


On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 2:20 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Thanks Roger.
>
> I can't wait now to try this  once I launch next Spring. I have little
> room to maneuver in my little harbor and rocks all around so I really only
> have one chance to get it right.
>
> While I must admit that I have not generally thought in terms of "thrust
> vectors and torque moment arms" I appreciate the explanation and at least
> for a fleeting moment thought I understood.
>
> So far I have depended primarily on shouting at my wife to get into the
> slip without harm and while that seems to work it has its downsides as
> well. If I can master your instructions I am sure she will be appreciative
> as well.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Roger:
> >
> > I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where
> the
> > dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in
> the
> > slip.
> Because the boat is only going to side slip a little, for a starboard side
> tie up, you should start this maneuver about 1/3 boat length later vs a
> port side tie up.  This will put your starboard side rub rail close to the
> dock.
> >
> > I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual
> steps.
> > I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
> > instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence
> is
> > correct?
> >
> > Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to
> the
> > boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
> Yaw refers to rotation about the boat?s center of rotation when viewed
> from above.  Yawing to port implies a counterclockwise ( CCW ) rotation.
> >
> > Dock on Port side as I approach
> >
> > a.    Shift the motor into neutral and
> > b.    turn the motor's tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
> > turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]
> Yes. You should have your motor mount adjusted so the motor does not
> rotate when you let go of the motor tiller.
>
> It?s a little counter intuitive.  I find it easier to think in terms of
> thrust vectors and torque moment arms.  In reverse, the motor?s thrust is
> applied to the transom pushing backwards and sideways towards starboard.
> The sideways component of the thrust acts thru the moment arm ( ~12 ft )
> from the motor to the boat?s center of rotation to produce a CCW torque.
>  Torque = [Moment Arm]  * [Thrust]
> Because the [Moment Arm] is so long, a relatively small amount of thrust
> from our tiny outboards can produce a prodigious amount of torque.
> Because the motor is mounted off center, the reverse thrust component also
> has a small [Moment Arm] ( ~2 ft ) to the center of rotation to produce an
> additional CCW torque.  These 2 CCW torques are additive, thus making the
> boat yaw faster in the CCW direction.
> >
> >    When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> > following in quick succession.
> >
> > c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
> > d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
> > e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then
> > f.    shift into neutral.
> > g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
> >
> > I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
> > very restricted docking area.
> >
> > Thanks for this and any further explanation.
>
> Because the motor is mounted off center to port on the transom, there is a
> noticeable difference in the maximum yaw rate ( ie deg yaw/sec ) that can
> be achieved in each direction.  When yawing to port ( CCW rotation ), the
> reverse thrust component aids the rotation, thus increasing the maximum yaw
> rate.  Conversely, when yawing to starboard ( CW rotation ), the reverse
> thrust component acts in opposition to the rotation, thus reducing the
> available torque and limiting the maximum yaw rate.  It?s not a huge
> difference.  But it?s noticeable enough that you should practice this
> maneuver in both directions.  In either direction, you can still spin your
> Rhodes around in either direction faster with this technique than any
> other.  It?s just slightly slower yawing to starboard vs port.
>
> Hopefully this helps Graham.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> >
> > Bob & Jeff,
> >
> > The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> > involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
> >
> > Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> > You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> > maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat
> length
> > away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger
> > pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor's tiller all the
> way
> > the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
> > following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle,
> and
> > put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw
> 90
> > deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
> > about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat
> length.
> > At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift
> into
> > neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
> > boat's rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the
> hull
> > and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will
> use up
> > it's rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
> > will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
> > pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
> > side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your
> slip.
> > For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard
> before
> > shifting into reverse.
> >
> > This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross
> > wind &/or cross current.  It's also very useful for a stern to docking.
> >
> > It's best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> > attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> > faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying
> sideways
> > and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> > connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
> >
> > Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cca383c93600244f9b65708d9ddc90fe4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784677904273096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JSU%2BlSzpYWOpf6mUmuCqCUTTyitSwTO0hhqrIZEhzxY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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> >
> > From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
> >
> > That's what I'm looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
> > maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
> > I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> > with this vessel.
> > Bob
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> >> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> >
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Jan 22 18:48:14 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
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I'm not sure I saw this either. Congratulations on completing what must 
have seemed like a daunting task. Hope you truly enjoy many years 
sailing her. I'll bet she's the spiffiest looking boat for miles around 
and no one would believe she is 45 or 46 years old.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 1/22/2022 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Hi Rob:
>
> I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I launched
> in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
> and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
> ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
>
> Graham,
> Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
> do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
> recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.
>
> Rob
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan 22 19:56:47 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Hi Graham,

After > 44 years of marriage, I can personally attest that yelling at the 1st mate does not generally yield good results!

The beauty of this technique is that you can apply enough engine thrust to really spin the boat around in limited space and even against the wind &/or current.  But, even as you are turning, the boat is slowing down.  You finish the turn going slowly or nearly stopped vs traveling faster than you would be willing to hit the dock using other techniques.  Slow and controlled, lots of time to think - no reason to yell at the 1st mate.  Just warn her to hang on to something or sit down before starting the turn!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Roger. 
> 
> I can't wait now to try this  once I launch next Spring. I have little room to maneuver in my little harbor and rocks all around so I really only have one chance to get it right. 
> 
> While I must admit that I have not generally thought in terms of "thrust vectors and torque moment arms" I appreciate the explanation and at least for a fleeting moment thought I understood.
> 
> So far I have depended primarily on shouting at my wife to get into the slip without harm and while that seems to work it has its downsides as well. If I can master your instructions I am sure she will be appreciative as well.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Roger:
>> 
>> I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
>> dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
>> slip. 
> Because the boat is only going to side slip a little, for a starboard side tie up, you should start this maneuver about 1/3 boat length later vs a port side tie up.  This will put your starboard side rub rail close to the dock.
>> 
>> I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
>> I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
>> instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
>> correct? 
>> 
>> Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
>> boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
> Yaw refers to rotation about the boat?s center of rotation when viewed from above.  Yawing to port implies a counterclockwise ( CCW ) rotation.
>> 
>> Dock on Port side as I approach
>> 
>> a.    Shift the motor into neutral and 
>> b.    turn the motor's tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
>> turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]
> Yes. You should have your motor mount adjusted so the motor does not rotate when you let go of the motor tiller. 
> 
> It?s a little counter intuitive.  I find it easier to think in terms of thrust vectors and torque moment arms.  In reverse, the motor?s thrust is applied to the transom pushing backwards and sideways towards starboard.  The sideways component of the thrust acts thru the moment arm ( ~12 ft ) from the motor to the boat?s center of rotation to produce a CCW torque. 
> Torque = [Moment Arm]  * [Thrust]
> Because the [Moment Arm] is so long, a relatively small amount of thrust from our tiny outboards can produce a prodigious amount of torque.
> Because the motor is mounted off center, the reverse thrust component also has a small [Moment Arm] ( ~2 ft ) to the center of rotation to produce an additional CCW torque.  These 2 CCW torques are additive, thus making the boat yaw faster in the CCW direction.
>> 
>>   When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
>> following in quick succession.  
>> 
>> c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
>> d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
>> e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
>> f.    shift into neutral.  
>> g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
>> 
>> I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
>> very restricted docking area.
>> 
>> Thanks for this and any further explanation.
> 
> Because the motor is mounted off center to port on the transom, there is a noticeable difference in the maximum yaw rate ( ie deg yaw/sec ) that can be achieved in each direction.  When yawing to port ( CCW rotation ), the reverse thrust component aids the rotation, thus increasing the maximum yaw rate.  Conversely, when yawing to starboard ( CW rotation ), the reverse thrust component acts in opposition to the rotation, thus reducing the available torque and limiting the maximum yaw rate.  It?s not a huge difference.  But it?s noticeable enough that you should practice this maneuver in both directions.  In either direction, you can still spin your Rhodes around in either direction faster with this technique than any other.  It?s just slightly slower yawing to starboard vs port.
> 
> Hopefully this helps Graham.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
>> 
>> Bob & Jeff,
>> 
>> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
>> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>> 
>> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
>> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
>> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
>> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
>> pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor's tiller all the way
>> the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
>> following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
>> put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
>> deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
>> about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
>> At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
>> neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
>> boat's rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
>> and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
>> it's rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
>> will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
>> pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
>> side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
>> For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
>> shifting into reverse.
>> 
>> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
>> wind &/or cross current.  It's also very useful for a stern to docking.
>> 
>> It's best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
>> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
>> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
>> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
>> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>> 
>> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd612eb57a4b499101d308d9dde4ab41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637784796482119068%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=pH28wz9AZD7woR1buLRVEai0hSzuUDQA9cNdl3siEG8%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>> 
>> That's what I'm looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
>> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
>> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
>> with this vessel.
>> Bob
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jeff Smith
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 20:29:51 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:29:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
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Thanks to everyone who expressed good wishes. 

The boat is an old boat but the rehab has definitely given it a new life. It
is a simple little boat with few optional goodies but she is a sweetheart
with a great disposition when I talk to her nicely.

To answer Rob's questions: The ports using a continuous strip of tinted
Plexiglas is attached entirely by adhesive actually has worked out very well
and, strangely seems to be improving. The first year I had a few leaks but
after that summer the leaks have disappeared. Much as I like the
arrangement, if I were to do it again I would make a few modifications in
how I would do it. If anyone is interested, I culd expand on that point. In
previous years I posted information to the list on what the process was.

My little harbor is small but perfect for my needs. I have two floating
finger docks extending from a 60' pier. I put a portable garage over the
span between the two docks where I keep an old varnished mahogany boat that
I restored extensively before I started on the Rhodes. Last year I installed
a mahogany strip deck on the boat that needs to be kept out of the sun
unless I plan to do nothing but varnish the rest of my life.  Because the
wooden boat requires a fair bit of upkeep I made sure that everything on the
Rhodes required minimal upkeep.

The water is shallow most of the time but averages about 3' to 4' midsummer
most years. However, over the last three years the water level was the
highest on record for two of them and the lowest on record last year. I have
been here over 25 years and have never seen anything like that before. I
hope this isn't the new normal. Last July the water at my finger dock was
just under 2' deep. Fortunately the top 6 inches below the keel was soft mud
and the way the little harbor is situated I get virtually no swell. I
temporarily extended the floating dock with a raft I had and by holding my
breath I was just able to get the boat up to the dock. Just in case I
couldn't get the boat into the slip I made a mooring and placed it in the
bay nearby. In the end I didn't need to use it. On the years with the high
water I was unable to use the dock as the water was right up to the top of
the pier which, under those circumstances, offered little protection. I can
only hope that this year the water will return to normal levels.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 4:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Graham,
Good to hear! Maybe I just missed it.  The boat looks great! How are the
ports working out? I do recall your write up on that work. You do look like
you have a tight area to work with. How deep is the water there? Looks you
can see the bottom off your port side?

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham
Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:58 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Hi Rob:

I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I launched
in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

Graham,
Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.

Rob
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 20:39:10 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
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Roger:

Thanks for the advice. Throwing my wife into the water would not likely be viewed by her as an acceptable improvement in my technique. 

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions

Hi Graham,

After > 44 years of marriage, I can personally attest that yelling at the 1st mate does not generally yield good results!

The beauty of this technique is that you can apply enough engine thrust to really spin the boat around in limited space and even against the wind &/or current.  But, even as you are turning, the boat is slowing down.  You finish the turn going slowly or nearly stopped vs traveling faster than you would be willing to hit the dock using other techniques.  Slow and controlled, lots of time to think - no reason to yell at the 1st mate.  Just warn her to hang on to something or sit down before starting the turn!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Roger. 
> 
> I can't wait now to try this  once I launch next Spring. I have little room to maneuver in my little harbor and rocks all around so I really only have one chance to get it right. 
> 
> While I must admit that I have not generally thought in terms of "thrust vectors and torque moment arms" I appreciate the explanation and at least for a fleeting moment thought I understood.
> 
> So far I have depended primarily on shouting at my wife to get into the slip without harm and while that seems to work it has its downsides as well. If I can master your instructions I am sure she will be appreciative as well.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Roger:
>> 
>> I am trying to use your advice and translate it for my situation where the
>> dock would be on my port and I would tie up on my starboard side once in the
>> slip. 
> Because the boat is only going to side slip a little, for a starboard side tie up, you should start this maneuver about 1/3 boat length later vs a port side tie up.  This will put your starboard side rub rail close to the dock.
>> 
>> I have taken your instructions and stripped them down to the actual steps.
>> I have  added questions in square brackets where I am unsure about your
>> instructions. Would you please look at this and tell me if this sequence is
>> correct? 
>> 
>> Should I be assuming that when you refer to "yaw" you are referring to the
>> boat rotating in place without much forward movement?
> Yaw refers to rotation about the boat?s center of rotation when viewed from above.  Yawing to port implies a counterclockwise ( CCW ) rotation.
>> 
>> Dock on Port side as I approach
>> 
>> a.    Shift the motor into neutral and 
>> b.    turn the motor's tiller all the way the port. [as though I was
>> turning to starboard? Do I let the rudder tiller go free?]
> Yes. You should have your motor mount adjusted so the motor does not rotate when you let go of the motor tiller. 
> 
> It?s a little counter intuitive.  I find it easier to think in terms of thrust vectors and torque moment arms.  In reverse, the motor?s thrust is applied to the transom pushing backwards and sideways towards starboard.  The sideways component of the thrust acts thru the moment arm ( ~12 ft ) from the motor to the boat?s center of rotation to produce a CCW torque. 
> Torque = [Moment Arm]  * [Thrust]
> Because the [Moment Arm] is so long, a relatively small amount of thrust from our tiny outboards can produce a prodigious amount of torque.
> Because the motor is mounted off center, the reverse thrust component also has a small [Moment Arm] ( ~2 ft ) to the center of rotation to produce an additional CCW torque.  These 2 CCW torques are additive, thus making the boat yaw faster in the CCW direction.
>> 
>>   When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
>> following in quick succession.  
>> 
>> c.    Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and 
>> d.    put the boat tiller hard over [as though to turn to port?]
>> e.    At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then 
>> f.    shift into neutral.  
>> g.    Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.
>> 
>> I will definitely practice this in open water before attempting it in my
>> very restricted docking area.
>> 
>> Thanks for this and any further explanation.
> 
> Because the motor is mounted off center to port on the transom, there is a noticeable difference in the maximum yaw rate ( ie deg yaw/sec ) that can be achieved in each direction.  When yawing to port ( CCW rotation ), the reverse thrust component aids the rotation, thus increasing the maximum yaw rate.  Conversely, when yawing to starboard ( CW rotation ), the reverse thrust component acts in opposition to the rotation, thus reducing the available torque and limiting the maximum yaw rate.  It?s not a huge difference.  But it?s noticeable enough that you should practice this maneuver in both directions.  In either direction, you can still spin your Rhodes around in either direction faster with this technique than any other.  It?s just slightly slower yawing to starboard vs port.
> 
> Hopefully this helps Graham.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 10:06 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Quick turn instructions
>> 
>> Bob & Jeff,
>> 
>> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
>> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>> 
>> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
>> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
>> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
>> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a finger
>> pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor's tiller all the way
>> the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier, do the
>> following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full throttle, and
>> put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The boat will yaw 90
>> deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow down, side slip
>> about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about ? boat length.
>> At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and then shift into
>> neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat tiller.  The
>> boat's rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.  Note, the hull
>> and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The boat will use up
>> it's rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit of practice, you
>> will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip, with your bow
>> pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance between your port
>> side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and idle into your slip.
>> For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor tiller to starboard before
>> shifting into reverse.
>> 
>> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong cross
>> wind &/or cross current.  It's also very useful for a stern to docking.
>> 
>> It's best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
>> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
>> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
>> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
>> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>> 
>> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
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>> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 5:43 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>> 
>> That's what I'm looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90? To
>> maneuver in rather than 180?. So every little bit helps.
>> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
>> with this vessel.
>> Bob
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
>>> dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jeff Smith
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
> 


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 20:57:56 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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Lots of Rhodes without bilge pumps. Is your bilge actually wet and do you
need a pump?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
> one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>  What about wiring the pump?
>
>  What about a second pump?
>
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath, 1987
> Phoenix, Arizona
>

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sat Jan 22 21:08:03 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 02:08:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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I'll second this question. My 2014 recycled Rhodes came without a bilge pump and I have never needed one in the 7 years I have sailed her.

Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

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Lots of Rhodes without bilge pumps. Is your bilge actually wet and do you
need a pump?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
> one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>  What about wiring the pump?
>
>  What about a second pump?
>
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath, 1987
> Phoenix, Arizona
>

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 21:19:14 2022
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 02:19:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4409, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1622.1642883738.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
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Hi Scott,

I am interested in the linkage.  I sent you an email earlier.

Ken


On January 22, 2022 at 3:35:40 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org (
rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org) wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:07:05 -0500 From: Scott Andrews To:
The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard
Interconnect question Message-ID: <
9DB078C0-3DC5-4FF8-BB6B-B12859F11029 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=utf-8 I have the linkage for the Yamaha. I was unable to modify it
for my Mercury 5. If anyone wants it let me know. Scott 86? Rhodes22
C-610-368-4538 Sent from my iPhone

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Jan 22 21:33:45 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 21:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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I added bilge pump, piped to sink drain. Always had water in bilge. 

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 8:58 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Lots of Rhodes without bilge pumps. Is your bilge actually wet and do you
> need a pump?
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
>> one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
>> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>> What about wiring the pump?
>> 
>> What about a second pump?
>> 
>> Chuy Carreon
>> AfterMath, 1987
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jan 22 21:56:20 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 21:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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My boat came with a bilge pump that drains to a separate thru-hull although I don't know that was necessary so long as there is room to make the connection to the sink drain. I have never used the bilge pump in any serious way but I do feel a bit safer knowing that it is there. I have never used my life jackets either.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 8:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

Lots of Rhodes without bilge pumps. Is your bilge actually wet and do you
need a pump?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
> one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>  What about wiring the pump?
>
>  What about a second pump?
>
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath, 1987
> Phoenix, Arizona
>


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 09:08:37 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
In-Reply-To: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n989d-009zkZ-Iv@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCPMbPo61MkZWjzucErvOQJmzA44TP2h8JeQz2MSXiSLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
Great video.
I ordered the gooseneck parts from Dwyer Mast for Sail la Vie.
I plan to get them installed in February.
My boss is on the trailer so I?m hoping this will make it easier.
I was wondering if it was difficult to remove the slider from inside the
mast to connect the parts. Do you have any tips for this?
Thanks
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie 2000/2017
Kent Island, MD

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 11:13 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Mel,
>
> I did indeed do a video about replacing the gooseneck.  You can find it
> here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-01-15, at 23:21:49 EST, Melvyn Rothbard wrote:
> >
> >  By the way, I used
> > to really enjoy your videos. Did you ever do one about replacing the
> > gooseneck fitting on the boom?
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jan 23 10:09:39 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 07:09:39 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
Message-ID: <E1nBeUt-00D9Bd-3u@s152.servername.online>

Bob,

There's another video for that: https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM

The title is 'Replacing the Mainsail Furling Line', so it might not seem on subject, but it shows the steps needed to pull the slider to the bottom of the mast.  It doesn't show how to disconnect the slider piece from the rest of the IMF assembly, but if that process was not straight-forward, I think I would have included a segment about that process in the gooseneck video.

Best of luck,

--Peter

> On 2022-01-23, at 09:08:37 EST, Bob Garrant wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
> Great video.
> I ordered the gooseneck parts from Dwyer Mast for Sail la Vie. I plan to get 
> them installed in February. 
> My boss is on the trailer so I?m hoping this will make it easier. I was 
> wondering if it was difficult to remove the slider from inside the mast to 
> connect the parts. Do you have any tips for this? 
> Thanks
> Bob Garrant
> Sail la Vie 2000/2017
> Kent Island, MD
> 
> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 20:26:30 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:26:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
In-Reply-To: <E1nBeUt-00D9Bd-3u@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nBeUt-00D9Bd-3u@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAY+Shf3gn9s+tmsbYOKCdnTLrV0u4Y48TPngC_fqXCaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter
That?s exactly what I needed to see. For me it?s mystery solved and a
significant reduction of anxiety. I may tackle this project in February
since there should be quite a few days above freezing ? I hope.
Can?t thank you enough for your expertise and the great videos that you
provide to our group. Wonderful.
Bob

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:09 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Bob,
>
> There's another video for that: https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM
>
> The title is 'Replacing the Mainsail Furling Line', so it might not seem
> on subject, but it shows the steps needed to pull the slider to the bottom
> of the mast.  It doesn't show how to disconnect the slider piece from the
> rest of the IMF assembly, but if that process was not straight-forward, I
> think I would have included a segment about that process in the gooseneck
> video.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-01-23, at 09:08:37 EST, Bob Garrant wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> > Great video.
> > I ordered the gooseneck parts from Dwyer Mast for Sail la Vie. I plan to
> get
> > them installed in February.
> > My boss is on the trailer so I?m hoping this will make it easier. I was
> > wondering if it was difficult to remove the slider from inside the mast
> to
> > connect the parts. Do you have any tips for this?
> > Thanks
> > Bob Garrant
> > Sail la Vie 2000/2017
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jan 23 20:58:52 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:58:52 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the Gooseneck
Message-ID: <E1nBodA-006P3F-Uc@s152.servername.online>

Bob,

In Connecticut, the tarp will remain on the boat through all of February, and likely most of March. 

I'm happy to have provided some useful information. Let us know how it goes.

--Peter

> On 2022-01-23, at 20:26:30 EST, Bob Garrant wrote:
>
> Hi Peter
> That?s exactly what I needed to see. For me it?s mystery solved and a 
> significant reduction of anxiety. I may tackle this project in February since 
> there should be quite a few days above freezing ? I hope. Can?t thank you enough 
> for your expertise and the great videos that you provide to our group. 
> Wonderful. 
> Bob
> 
> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 21:43:18 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 21:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
In-Reply-To: <002401d80d57$f39dcab0$dad96010$@gmail.com>
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Mike
Thanks for the great suggestions.
I might reconsider my fabrication plan.
I have to replace the old gooseneck as a first priority. Thanks to Peter I
feel educated about the process.
Regards,
Bob

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 12:14 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob, you will have to remove the tiller connection at all times except when
> maneuvering under power.
>
> I originally thought the tiller to outboard connection would be a great
> feature, but I found that it was not useful or necessary in my case for two
> reasons:
>
> 1) The effective range of motion using the tiller connection on my outboard
> (Mercury 8hp) is too limited.  I can make much sharper turns with just the
> rudder when under power.  On rare occasions, I manually swivel the outboard
> when maneuvering in close quarters at slow speed.  It's a bit awkward, but
> not that difficult.
>
> 2) The resistance introduced by the outboard swivel clutch is very high,
> making it very difficult to move the tiller.  You can release that clutch
> when the outboard connection is in place, but that just makes the whole
> process cumbersome and you have to remember to re-engage the clutch
> afterwards.
>
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Weiss,
> Robert L via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:27 AM
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> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
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> Robert L. Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> yes   on my motor lift
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2022 4:54 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question
>
> I planning to fabricate a tiller-outboard interconnect for my 2000 Rhodes.
> Does the interconnect arm need to be repositioned or removed when the
> outboard is in the raised position?
>
> Thanks
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie
> Kent Island, MD
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jan 24 08:08:25 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:08:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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Chuy,

Best practice calls for the minimum number of thru hulls, because a thru hull that?s not there can?t ever leak.

Be sure to run an anti siphon loop on the plumbing from the bilge pump to the thru hull.  The loop needs to run at least as high as the bottom of the galley countertop and inboard almost as far as the sliding doors on the cupboard.  This will prevent outside water as well as gray water from the sink from siphoning back into the bilge.  Some people install a check valve on the outlet of the bilge pump.  But, 36+ years of chemical plant experience has made me skeptical of check valves.  They are prone to clogging; they ?always? leak, at least slowly; add pressure drop to the bilge pump discharge line; and tend to fail just when maximum bilge flow is needed.  I?m not a fan.

The bilge pump should be on a separate circuit, with it?s own fuse or circuit breaker.  Best practice calls for the bilge pump to be wired thru a 3 position switch.  The 3 switch positions should be labeled ?MANUAL?, ?OFF?, and ?AUTO?.  MANUAL is used to test the pump &/or force it to pump the bilge as dry as possible.  You should have a level switch that triggers the pump in AUTO mode.  I prefer the style of level switch that has a float on a pivot vs the style wherein the float is doughnut shaped and runs up & down on a rod thru the center of the doughnut.  The float should be protected inside a metal or plastic mesh cage.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has only 1 installed bilge pump.  But, I always test it before I go out.  I have a spare pump onboard; but, I?ve never had to install it.  Regarding the need for a redundant installed pump,  what?s your risk tolerance?  The size of bilge pump we are talking about will only handle incidental leakage; like say, your seat drains get clogged and there is a heavy rain.  If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an insurance policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: chuy carreon<mailto:chcarreon at cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

Hi all,
  My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
 What about wiring the pump?

 What about a second pump?

Chuy Carreon
AfterMath, 1987
Phoenix, Arizona


From chcarreon at cox.net  Mon Jan 24 08:33:47 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:33:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69204BC0960050906845D6ED805E9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Roger,
Thanks for your advice. I will proceed with the install using your suggestions.

Thanks
Chuy

> On January 24, 2022 at 8:08 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Chuy,
> 
>     Best practice calls for the minimum number of thru hulls, because a thru hull that?s not there can?t ever leak.
> 
>     Be sure to run an anti siphon loop on the plumbing from the bilge pump to the thru hull. The loop needs to run at least as high as the bottom of the galley countertop and inboard almost as far as the sliding doors on the cupboard. This will prevent outside water as well as gray water from the sink from siphoning back into the bilge. Some people install a check valve on the outlet of the bilge pump. But, 36+ years of chemical plant experience has made me skeptical of check valves. They are prone to clogging; they ?always? leak, at least slowly; add pressure drop to the bilge pump discharge line; and tend to fail just when maximum bilge flow is needed. I?m not a fan.
> 
>     The bilge pump should be on a separate circuit, with it?s own fuse or circuit breaker. Best practice calls for the bilge pump to be wired thru a 3 position switch. The 3 switch positions should be labeled ?MANUAL?, ?OFF?, and ?AUTO?. MANUAL is used to test the pump &/or force it to pump the bilge as dry as possible. You should have a level switch that triggers the pump in AUTO mode. I prefer the style of level switch that has a float on a pivot vs the style wherein the float is doughnut shaped and runs up & down on a rod thru the center of the doughnut. The float should be protected inside a metal or plastic mesh cage.
> 
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has only 1 installed bilge pump. But, I always test it before I go out. I have a spare pump onboard; but, I?ve never had to install it. Regarding the need for a redundant installed pump, what?s your risk tolerance? The size of bilge pump we are talking about will only handle incidental leakage; like say, your seat drains get clogged and there is a heavy rain. If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an insurance policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
>     Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
>     From: chuy carreon<mailto:chcarreon at cox.net mailto:chcarreon at cox.net >
>     Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:53 AM
>     To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >
>     Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
> 
>     Hi all,
>     My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing one this winter. If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>     What about wiring the pump?
> 
>     What about a second pump?
> 
>     Chuy Carreon
>     AfterMath, 1987
>     Phoenix, Arizona
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 24 10:56:10 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 07:56:10 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
Message-ID: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>

I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as least as great as the bulge pump power draw.

One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7: https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
 
> On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> ...
> If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of 
> water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an insurance 
> policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there. 


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jan 24 12:46:13 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:46:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <699326729.3152845.1643031227976@myemail.cox.net>
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Chuy,
Here is a pretty good article from Boat US on installing a bilge pump.  It also discusses a second, 'i don't want my boat to sink' pump.
https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2012/july/installing-bilge-pump

Also attached is a photo from my previous boat that had a sump pump.  Note how high the white pipe goes.  This is the anti-siphon loop that Roger describes.  Most of the sumps are tee'd into the sink drain as shown.

Rob
[https://www.boatus.com/-/media/expert-advice-archive/2012/july/installing-bilge-pump/__twitter.ashx]<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2012/july/installing-bilge-pump>
Installing a Bilge Pump | BoatUS<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2012/july/installing-bilge-pump>
A bilge pump big enough to deal with a real emergency will do a poor job of keeping the bilge dry because the water in the discharge hose drains back into the bilge when the pump shuts off.
www.boatus.com


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 8:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

Roger,
Thanks for your advice. I will proceed with the install using your suggestions.

Thanks
Chuy

> On January 24, 2022 at 8:08 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
>
>
>     Chuy,
>
>     Best practice calls for the minimum number of thru hulls, because a thru hull that?s not there can?t ever leak.
>
>     Be sure to run an anti siphon loop on the plumbing from the bilge pump to the thru hull. The loop needs to run at least as high as the bottom of the galley countertop and inboard almost as far as the sliding doors on the cupboard. This will prevent outside water as well as gray water from the sink from siphoning back into the bilge. Some people install a check valve on the outlet of the bilge pump. But, 36+ years of chemical plant experience has made me skeptical of check valves. They are prone to clogging; they ?always? leak, at least slowly; add pressure drop to the bilge pump discharge line; and tend to fail just when maximum bilge flow is needed. I?m not a fan.
>
>     The bilge pump should be on a separate circuit, with it?s own fuse or circuit breaker. Best practice calls for the bilge pump to be wired thru a 3 position switch. The 3 switch positions should be labeled ?MANUAL?, ?OFF?, and ?AUTO?. MANUAL is used to test the pump &/or force it to pump the bilge as dry as possible. You should have a level switch that triggers the pump in AUTO mode. I prefer the style of level switch that has a float on a pivot vs the style wherein the float is doughnut shaped and runs up & down on a rod thru the center of the doughnut. The float should be protected inside a metal or plastic mesh cage.
>
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has only 1 installed bilge pump. But, I always test it before I go out. I have a spare pump onboard; but, I?ve never had to install it. Regarding the need for a redundant installed pump, what?s your risk tolerance? The size of bilge pump we are talking about will only handle incidental leakage; like say, your seat drains get clogged and there is a heavy rain. If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an insurance policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
>
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>     Sent from Mail<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7C26775c049a574a53851708d9df3e2a66%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C637786280777281030%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=rmEn7LYpVDb1CVoHbnZX78wdwLfn3UEiTRKAsQ3YV2I%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
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>     From: chuy carreon<mailto:chcarreon at cox.net mailto:chcarreon at cox.net >
>     Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:53 AM
>     To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >
>     Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
>
>     Hi all,
>     My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing one this winter. If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>     What about wiring the pump?
>
>     What about a second pump?
>
>     Chuy Carreon
>     AfterMath, 1987
>     Phoenix, Arizona
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 13:12:23 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:12:23 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpFeKyrT8KuE6wOL+3WS2HwTOo==5PsvOQ9HepajHp=pg@mail.gmail.com>

I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated water
alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into my
boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like Peter
and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
needed.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can think
> of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
> example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
> the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
> configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
> least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
>
> One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
> https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor
> installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
> list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge
> is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a
> quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> > ...
> > If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of
> > water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an
> insurance
> > policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
>
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 13:30:27 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:30:27 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpFeKyrT8KuE6wOL+3WS2HwTOo==5PsvOQ9HepajHp=pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>
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This is a great discussion.  I thought that the Rhodes 22 had enough built
in ballast to stay afloat even if swamped.  Is that not the case?

Matt
White Bear Lake, MN
Hornblower II

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated water
> alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
> lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
> anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
> into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into my
> boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like Peter
> and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
> access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
> flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
> needed.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can think
> > of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
> > example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
> > the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
> > configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
> > least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> >
> > One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
> > https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet
> floor
> > installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
> > list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the
> bilge
> > is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's
> a
> > quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > > If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of
> > > water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an
> > insurance
> > > policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> >
> >
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jan 24 13:51:04 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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I think you mean "flotation" rather than ballast.? I believe that all 
the R22s built by General Boats do have enough flotation to stay afloat. 
The ones that we've heard of over the years on the list that took on 
enormous amounts of water or were holed, did float with water up to the 
level of the cabin seats. Not at all certain this would be true for 
older boats where the construction was contracted out or if the 
flotation is compromised. If I recall correctly the flotation is foam 
under the cockpit and under the v-berth.

Mary Lou
ex-Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 1/24/2022 1:30 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> This is a great discussion.  I thought that the Rhodes 22 had enough built
> in ballast to stay afloat even if swamped.  Is that not the case?
>
> Matt
> White Bear Lake, MN
> Hornblower II
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated water
>> alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
>> lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
>> anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
>> into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into my
>> boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like Peter
>> and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
>> access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
>> flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
>> needed.
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can think
>>> of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
>>> example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
>>> the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
>>> configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
>>> least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
>>>
>>> One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
>>> https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet
>> floor
>>> installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
>>> list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the
>> bilge
>>> is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's
>> a
>>> quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
>>>
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>
>>>> On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of
>>>> water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an
>>> insurance
>>>> policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
>>>


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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:07:01 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:07:01 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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Yes, flotation.  ;)

Thanks!
Matt Wilson
White Bear Lake, MN
Hornblower II

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:51 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> I think you mean "flotation" rather than ballast.  I believe that all
> the R22s built by General Boats do have enough flotation to stay afloat.
> The ones that we've heard of over the years on the list that took on
> enormous amounts of water or were holed, did float with water up to the
> level of the cabin seats. Not at all certain this would be true for
> older boats where the construction was contracted out or if the
> flotation is compromised. If I recall correctly the flotation is foam
> under the cockpit and under the v-berth.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex-Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 1/24/2022 1:30 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > This is a great discussion.  I thought that the Rhodes 22 had enough
> built
> > in ballast to stay afloat even if swamped.  Is that not the case?
> >
> > Matt
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> > Hornblower II
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated
> water
> >> alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
> >> lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
> >> anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
> >> into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into
> my
> >> boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like
> Peter
> >> and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
> >> access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
> >> flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
> >> needed.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can
> think
> >>> of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
> >>> example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only
> in
> >>> the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
> >>> configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is
> as
> >>> least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> >>>
> >>> One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
> >>> https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet
> >> floor
> >>> installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
> >>> list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the
> >> bilge
> >>> is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks),
> it's
> >> a
> >>> quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> >>>
> >>> Peter Nyberg
> >>> Coventry, CT
> >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>> If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow
> of
> >>>> water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an
> >>> insurance
> >>>> policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> >>>
>
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:17:14 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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My '83 Rhodes had a 3/8" hose connection on the wall to the cockpit behind
the cooler.  I ran the bilge pump output to that hose connection rather
than the sink drain as the previous owner had done.  Any water from the
bilge would go into the cockpit below the starboard seat and run out the
cockpit drain.  No extra thru hulls needed.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
> one this winter.  If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>  What about wiring the pump?
>
>  What about a second pump?
>
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath, 1987
> Phoenix, Arizona
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jan 24 14:22:42 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:22:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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Hi All,

Mary Lou is correct in her assertion; that, there is built-in floatation foam under the V-berth and under the cockpit sole.  Although the Rhodes 22 is designed with enough built-in floatation foam to float the basic hull and rig, even if swamped; that, is probably not true when the boat is loaded for cruising.  Have you ever tallied up the weight of all your fuel, water, food, outboard motor, and other gear?  On my boat, it?s several hundred pounds.  I?m pretty sure there isn?t enough built-in floatation foam to keep the loaded boat afloat.  Stan, have you ever done the swamping experiment on a boat loaded up for a cruise?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

Yes, flotation.  ;)

Thanks!
Matt Wilson
White Bear Lake, MN
Hornblower II

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:51 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> I think you mean "flotation" rather than ballast.  I believe that all
> the R22s built by General Boats do have enough flotation to stay afloat.
> The ones that we've heard of over the years on the list that took on
> enormous amounts of water or were holed, did float with water up to the
> level of the cabin seats. Not at all certain this would be true for
> older boats where the construction was contracted out or if the
> flotation is compromised. If I recall correctly the flotation is foam
> under the cockpit and under the v-berth.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex-Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 1/24/2022 1:30 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > This is a great discussion.  I thought that the Rhodes 22 had enough
> built
> > in ballast to stay afloat even if swamped.  Is that not the case?
> >
> > Matt
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> > Hornblower II
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated
> water
> >> alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
> >> lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
> >> anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
> >> into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into
> my
> >> boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like
> Peter
> >> and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
> >> access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
> >> flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
> >> needed.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can
> think
> >>> of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
> >>> example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only
> in
> >>> the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
> >>> configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is
> as
> >>> least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> >>>
> >>> One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVywOqYXqzYg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbcb3d93a680b41deea3508d9df6cbbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637786480367708011%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=0UoICNMap9g0OenUdnAid0jIq0RI5%2BpTlbUzTboFv4I%3D&amp;reserved=0) was to replace the plywood and carpet
> >> floor
> >>> installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
> >>> list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the
> >> bilge
> >>> is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks),
> it's
> >> a
> >>> quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> >>>
> >>> Peter Nyberg
> >>> Coventry, CT
> >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>> If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow
> of
> >>>> water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It?s really just an
> >>> insurance
> >>>> policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> >>>
>
>
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon Jan 24 14:46:27 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
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I have two in my 89, one on float switch the other on manual momentary switch. then I have emergency switch that overrides float switch and momentary switch. this switch is manual on /off all switches wired direct to house battery bank with auto resetting fuse.?


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From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Mon, Jan 24, 2022 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

My '83 Rhodes had a 3/8" hose connection on the wall to the cockpit behind
the cooler.? I ran the bilge pump output to that hose connection rather
than the sink drain as the previous owner had done.? Any water from the
bilge would go into the cockpit below the starboard seat and run out the
cockpit drain.? No extra thru hulls needed.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:53 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>? My Rhodes did not have a bilge pump when I got it; I plan on installing
> one this winter.? If you installed a bilge pump, did you run a hose from
> the bilge pump and shared the thru-hull or did you drill another thru-hull?
>? What about wiring the pump?
>
>? What about a second pump?
>
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath, 1987
> Phoenix, Arizona
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jan 24 15:06:36 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 20:06:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
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I agree with Mary Lou.  i've enjoyed reading your trials and tribulations on getting her rebuilt.  You also have the satisfaction on have only the second yellow hulled Rhodes.  A toast of Mt. Gay to Rummy!

Rob

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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

I'm not sure I saw this either. Congratulations on completing what must
have seemed like a daunting task. Hope you truly enjoy many years
sailing her. I'll bet she's the spiffiest looking boat for miles around
and no one would believe she is 45 or 46 years old.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 1/22/2022 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Hi Rob:
>
> I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I launched
> in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
> and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned out
> ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
>
> Graham,
> Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year? Or
> do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
> recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.
>
> Rob
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jan 24 20:59:08 2022
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Message-ID: <026f01d8118f$255f2ea0$701d8be0$@ca>

Yes, Rummy got me started on Mont Gay too. No regrets there.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 3:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

I agree with Mary Lou.  i've enjoyed reading your trials and tribulations on
getting her rebuilt.  You also have the satisfaction on have only the second
yellow hulled Rhodes.  A toast of Mt. Gay to Rummy!

Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mary
Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?

I'm not sure I saw this either. Congratulations on completing what must
have seemed like a daunting task. Hope you truly enjoy many years
sailing her. I'll bet she's the spiffiest looking boat for miles around
and no one would believe she is 45 or 46 years old.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 1/22/2022 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Hi Rob:
>
> I guess my comment was ambiguous. It might be hard to believe but I
launched
> in Aug 2020. It took me a very long time thanks largely to my incompetence
> and an endless process of repairing my repairs it all eventually turned
out
> ok. The attached photo serves of proof of launching for the unbelievers.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Graham on the water?
>
> Graham,
> Sounds like you are talking about launching your project boat this year?
Or
> do you have another one we don't know about? This is the first time I can
> recall you talking about sailing vs. rebuilding.
>
> Rob
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 18:09:55 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (R Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>

Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?  

Thanks, 

Rodney 

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 18:13:28 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (R Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:13:28 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
Message-ID: <346BDB9F-1276-42C4-B32D-2BD039EED2A5@me.com>

Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?

Thanks,

Rodney

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jan 25 18:23:13 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 18:23:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
Message-ID: <003601d81242$86a10270$93e30750$@ebsmed.com>

Rodney,

Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owners email list/forum.

Your question is really for Stan. Hello, Stan, are you there? Is this thing
ON?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of R
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 6:10 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and had
a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?  

Thanks, 

Rodney =


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 18:31:04 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:31:04 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <003601d81242$86a10270$93e30750$@ebsmed.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
 <003601d81242$86a10270$93e30750$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CA+k9M45d1gF4S9UCCVVHUwmkJJhuxEfivrwsL_eq7e14wiRiDw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank Mike ? Good call out, I found his email on the admin page. I?ll
shoot him an email.
Thx

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 17:23 Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owners email list/forum.
>
> Your question is really for Stan. Hello, Stan, are you there? Is this thing
> ON?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of R
> Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 6:10 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
>
> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and had
> a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney =
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jan 25 18:55:22 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 18:55:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <CA+k9M45d1gF4S9UCCVVHUwmkJJhuxEfivrwsL_eq7e14wiRiDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
 <003601d81242$86a10270$93e30750$@ebsmed.com>
 <CA+k9M45d1gF4S9UCCVVHUwmkJJhuxEfivrwsL_eq7e14wiRiDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901d81247$04aeeb60$0e0cc220$@ebsmed.com>

Rodney,

The best site for General Boats, I think, is the ROC site, at: http://www.rhodes22parts.com/
Stan is best reached at: stan at generalboats.com

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rodney Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 6:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Thank Mike ? Good call out, I found his email on the admin page. I?ll shoot him an email.
Thx

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 17:23 Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owners email list/forum.
>
> Your question is really for Stan. Hello, Stan, are you there? Is this 
> thing ON?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> R Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 6:10 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
>
> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago 
> and had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney =
>
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Tue Jan 25 19:53:36 2022
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
In-Reply-To: <346BDB9F-1276-42C4-B32D-2BD039EED2A5@me.com>
References: <346BDB9F-1276-42C4-B32D-2BD039EED2A5@me.com>
Message-ID: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814@generalboats.com>

Rodney,

This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to 
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do 
so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my 
first try since its repair; hope it's working.

While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner 
is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers 
your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours 
are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we 
come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have 
owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, 
not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.

Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the 
technicalities re this upgrading.

stan


On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney.


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 20:21:20 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
In-Reply-To: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814@generalboats.com>
References: <346BDB9F-1276-42C4-B32D-2BD039EED2A5@me.com>
 <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAGGVo_N=anLpEEGR2NfMZL5dSFJ_1SmMgn2yN4SZkhHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stan,
I would like to get the tiller/motor connector for my Rhodes 2000 that I
purchased from General Boats in 2017.
I previously purchased General Boats parts through Charles and the
transaction went very smoothly.
Regards,
Bob Garrant
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
> first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
> your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
> are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
> come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
> owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
> not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> > Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney.
>
>

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 20:53:11 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:11 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
In-Reply-To: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814@generalboats.com>
References: <346BDB9F-1276-42C4-B32D-2BD039EED2A5@me.com>
 <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD@gmail.com>

Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs seemed to be ironed out.

Sincerely,

Rodney Brown 



> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> Rodney,
> 
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try since its repair; hope it's working.
> 
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
> 
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the technicalities re this upgrading.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rodney.
> 


From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Jan 26 09:38:42 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
Message-ID: <501660946.1340413.1643207922407@mail.yahoo.com>

Rodney Welcome to the Rhodes Family lots of knowledge ,Experience here to help?
Mark and Connie Wesr? ?Hertford NC.?
S/V Fairwinds II? ? 89 Rhodes 22

-----Original Message-----
From: R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:09 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?? 

Thanks, 

Rodney 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 09:46:02 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:46:02 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.

Where do you sail in OKC?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:49:38 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21A347BD-23F3-4F74-A620-4A12AC7EFFAE@me.com>
 <CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLE+9zH7r_yJnyGEQD1R4cHqJF9_rw9576tuduRuA+RCPg@mail.gmail.com>

Rodney,
Welcome to the best owners club out there. I used to live in Lawton. I
figure you sail Lake Hefner. You might try sailing Lake Ellsworth for a
slightly different experience. The mountain down there plays with the wind
direction a little making for a fun challenge..

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:46 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
> Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.
>
> Where do you sail in OKC?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> > had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> > join?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:54:15 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg@mail.gmail.com>

Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
clips on to a bale on the mast.
<https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
match the color scheme of Radiant.
https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole

Best regards,
Jeff Smith

From gramille at tds.net  Wed Jan 26 11:08:43 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C7ED6DD-1B20-4A92-9786-F9A1958DDED7@tds.net>

Very impressive Jeff, but nice and simple too. Can you explain or send a photo of the bale set up?
Also, I am planning on setting up a simple jibe preventer for my downwind journeys. Details of other systems gratefully received.
Graham
'sv 00Sailin? 


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith


From chcarreon at cox.net  Wed Jan 26 11:28:31 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:28:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
In-Reply-To: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nC1hS-00BB6b-6Y@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1282330450.3358047.1643214511558@myemail.cox.net>

Thanks Peter,
Like all the videos on your fixing projects on Silverheels. I will have to locate the on the flooring.

Take care,
Chuy Carreon
Tempe, Arizona

> On January 24, 2022 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post. I can think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster. His example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> 
>     One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7: https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor installed by General Boat with oak flooring. This was high on my to-do list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> 
>     Peter Nyberg
>     Coventry, CT
>     s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>         > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > ...
> >         If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of
> >         water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an insurance
> >         policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> > 
> >     > 

From stan at generalboats.com  Wed Jan 26 20:37:16 2022
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:37:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
In-Reply-To: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD@gmail.com>
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Rodney and Crew,

Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:

 ??? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new 
traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that 
it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that 
Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for 
our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM 
motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both 
its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the 
sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a 
linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do 
in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like 
no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
 ?? ??? ???? to be continued? . . . .

ss


On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs seemed to be ironed out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rodney Brown
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rodney,
>>
>> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>>
>> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>>
>> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the technicalities re this upgrading.
>>
>> stan
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodney.
> .


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 20:38:39 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 19:38:39 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale
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Thanks Stan!  Appreciate you sending this ?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 19:37 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Rodney and Crew,
>
> Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:
>
>      Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>
> The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
> traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
> it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
> Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
> our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
> motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
> its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
> sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.  We knew that coming up with a
> linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
> in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
> no other. And we did; and owners loved it.   But
>              to be continued  . . . .
>
> ss
>
>
> On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
> the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
> help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
> seemed to be ironed out.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rodney Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rodney,
> >>
> >> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first
> try since its repair; hope it's working.
> >>
> >> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
> questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
> directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
> a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
> what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
> into how your year boat is built.
> >>
> >> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> >>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Rodney.
> > .
>
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 23:06:03 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 23:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Jeff, 

Thanks for sharing this.  I have been hoping to add a whisker pole to my boat.  

Question: did you rig guys to control the position of the pole or do you just use the jib sheets?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 10:01:59 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmL_O4WREwQFSKHUZTQQkhDVDVdwyvDjdUUn5nXreBc6Q@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 11:41:09 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.  This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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From gramille at tds.net  Thu Jan 27 11:53:03 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Thanks Jeff,
 A photo (or in this case, photos) is worth a thousand words.
I still have a question though. 
Why am I seeing two bulbous coverings of blue tape when I only see one bulbous spot on the origin pole. Is that just for storage against the mast?
Stan, if your computer is working, I would love to see your thoughts on the use of a whisker pole when wing on wing and also your thoughts on using a jibe preventer?
 Any thoughts from other Rhodies obviously welcome too!
G

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:01, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 11:55:15 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.

Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.

You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin in this shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.  This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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From gramille at tds.net  Thu Jan 27 12:00:10 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi Roger,.
 That sounds like a great set up although I am too nervous a sailor to consider a spinnaker. However I really would like to figure a way to use a vang and/or preventer for the main on downwind runs. Any ideas or photos anyone?
Graham
'sv 00Sailin' 

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:55, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.
> 
> Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.
> 
> You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin in this shot.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81374.5EDD86E0]
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.
> 
> Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.
> 
> When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.  This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
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> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
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> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 07:52:55 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:52:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
from sinking should it go overboard.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From gramille at tds.net  Fri Jan 28 08:28:27 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 12:34:34 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remote Control & Receiver available
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBP=QFqj+kODOCMiB5qXntDKvzt5Nn2NMM1mGemDhsokA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a remote control & receiver available if someone needs it.
I purchased to replace the remote control for the electric motor lift that
came with Rhodes. The existing one was not reliable.
 I then decided to have up-down switches installed next to the outboard
since I wanted to be next to the outboard as I was raising or lowering the
motor.
The package includes a remote fob, a received and instructions for
installation and troubleshooting.
See the attached picture.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:36:49 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:36:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Roger,

I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to get some additional advice before I start.  

1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming pocket?
2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline fuse is required in either case.

I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.

Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for about 15 years.  I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.  I believe I used the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.  But, you should measure your boat before ordering this part.  If the ST1000+ is not level relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.  Variable controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.  You will also need some pushrod extensions.  I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the 25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.  But, again, you should measure your boat before ordering these parts.  On the tiller, I used the standard tiller pin, epoxied in place.  Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct on the tiller when you drill the hole.  Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole correctly.  If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!  You want the pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the centerline of the rudder?s pintles.  The Pedestal Socket comes with a big backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.  I did not reinforce the gunnel and have had no issues with structural failure.  I mounted the waterproof plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus; then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.  The circuit should be separately fused.  If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few potential booby traps.  The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.  If you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once; then, you?ll be fine.  It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.  It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching up to close hauled.  On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a run, there is usually a following sea.  When that following sea is hitting the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.  The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.  So, it?s always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.  It helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the helm balanced.  Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill and attention from a human helmsman as well.  The ST1000+ is not as good at maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.  But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Ric,

I'm afraid to ask what you do that you could not do without it. ;-)

I love mine, too.  And to think that I used to use a "tiller jock" to lock the tiller in place when I single handed with my two year old. With the autopilot, we could have both been sailing from the bow with our feet in the water using the remote to steer!

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Love love love my Raymarine autotiller.
Could not do what I do without it.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have the Raymarine ST1000.  Actually, I depend on it so heavily, that I have two.  I have had one stop working.  I sent it back to Raymarine and they fixed it a no cost.
>
> Attached is a document created by Bill Wickman about his installation of the ST1000.  I followed this pretty closely.  However, at the point where the tiller pilot attaches to the cockpit combing, he said he found the fiberglass to be thick, and needed no reinforcement.  I found the fiberglass to be quite thin at the point, and epoxied in a block of 3/4? thick hardwood.
>
> I have no experience with the Simrad.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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>> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:13 PM, MichaelM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm hoping to install a Raymarine or Simrad tiller pilot in my boat.
>>
>> Can you share your experience with either unit and what challenges if
>> any did you encountered during the installation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jan 31 17:59:25 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:59:25 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL@s152.servername.online>

Mike, 

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat: http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.  It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to 
> get some additional advice before I start. 
> 
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming 
> pocket? 
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and 
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline fuse 
> is required in either case. 
> 
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller 
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. 
> 
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
>