[Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

[ROGER PIHLAJA]

Hi All,

Mary Lou is correct in her assertion; that, there is built-in floatation foam under the V-berth and under the cockpit sole.  Although the Rhodes 22 is designed with enough built-in floatation foam to float the basic hull and rig, even if swamped; that, is probably not true when the boat is loaded for cruising.  Have you ever tallied up the weight of all your fuel, water, food, outboard motor, and other gear?  On my boat, it’s several hundred pounds.  I’m pretty sure there isn’t enough built-in floatation foam to keep the loaded boat afloat.  Stan, have you ever done the swamping experiment on a boat loaded up for a cruise?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions

Yes, flotation.  ;)

Thanks!
Matt Wilson
White Bear Lake, MN
Hornblower II

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:51 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> I think you mean "flotation" rather than ballast.  I believe that all
> the R22s built by General Boats do have enough flotation to stay afloat.
> The ones that we've heard of over the years on the list that took on
> enormous amounts of water or were holed, did float with water up to the
> level of the cabin seats. Not at all certain this would be true for
> older boats where the construction was contracted out or if the
> flotation is compromised. If I recall correctly the flotation is foam
> under the cockpit and under the v-berth.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex-Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 1/24/2022 1:30 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > This is a great discussion.  I thought that the Rhodes 22 had enough
> built
> > in ballast to stay afloat even if swamped.  Is that not the case?
> >
> > Matt
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> > Hornblower II
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been fortunate to have a dry bilge, but I added battery operated
> water
> >> alarms (designed to be used in sumps in basements) to my bilge and
> >> lazarette so I'll be alerted if there's a problem.  The alarm is loud so
> >> anyone near the dock would be aware if there's a problem and need to get
> >> into the boat to check it out.  My slip neighbors know how to get into
> my
> >> boat if they see a problem that needs to be addressed quickly.  Like
> Peter
> >> and others, I don't have the carpet on the sole either so I can easily
> >> access the bilge.  I covered the plywood with stick on vinyl faux wood
> >> flooring and it turned out nicely.  It's also easy to replace a panel if
> >> needed.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post.  I can
> think
> >>> of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster.  His
> >>> example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only
> in
> >>> the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
> >>> configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is
> as
> >>> least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> >>>
> >>> One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVywOqYXqzYg&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbcb3d93a680b41deea3508d9df6cbbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637786480367708011%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0UoICNMap9g0OenUdnAid0jIq0RI5%2BpTlbUzTboFv4I%3D&reserved=0) was to replace the plywood and carpet
> >> floor
> >>> installed by General Boat with oak flooring.  This was high on my to-do
> >>> list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the
> >> bilge
> >>> is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks),
> it's
> >> a
> >>> quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> >>>
> >>> Peter Nyberg
> >>> Coventry, CT
> >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>> If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow
> of
> >>>> water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump.  It’s really just an
> >>> insurance
> >>>> policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> >>>
>
>
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