[Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.

Sat Jul 2 16:00:42 EDT 2022

Here are a few more pics. 
Hope they are helpful. 
It sounds to me like you have to remove the cap and fix the problem. 
It will take you a half to a full day to do this work. 
The bunk Comes out (in one piece)
Then a long notched floor board - gives you access to the cap. 
50 some screws, not bolts on your model year - probably. 
The first time I replaced the cap I used the same SS sheet metal screws. The second time, I changed to SS bolts and nuts. 
You should be able to re-use the neoprene gasket.
 Those plastic tubes are there  for two reasons: 
1. to keep the top of the CB from hitting the cap and cracking it - don’t ask how I know! 
2. To keep the board from moving side to side and making a lot of noise - which it will do anyway, especially if it is in the half up (or down) position. 
As a last resort you might cut the pedant line.  If the CB swings down you can reach the bottom  block on the back of the blade.
You can attach a line directly from it - around the SS turning pin cast into the cap and up the tube to the cam cleat in the cockpit. 
It will be heavy-but  I think it will work. 
If it doesn’t - you’re no worse off than before and you can go take the cap off. 
Ric 
Dadventure 
PS - If your careful, you can load the boat on the trailer with the board in the fill down position - Ive done it. 
Do not ever, ever, ever launch with the CB pendant anywhere but tight in the up position. 

There is one close u[ pic of the pivot pin slot, with the tubes it and barnacles on it. 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O O-631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164

> On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Jeff Kantor <canusmajor54 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I hope this comment is pertinent.  I own a RR22 (Ripoff Rhodes).  The old
> “Rhodes Continental”style  boards are the same as Rudder. Take the
> dimensions off your rudder to figure out pivot point and pennant tie on
> point (effective leverage).  Measure pivot to trailing end of board as an
> approx for pivot, and pennant mount to trailing end of rudder as approx for
> pick point of pennant. I think there might be a block mounted which moves
> the pennant line aft to the rear cabin bulkhead.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 10:06 PM C. Robert Lester <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:
> 
>> 01 JULY second attempt to free my rudder from underwater.
>> Now I have about 2" loop of penant line hanging out the starboard of the
>> CB under water.
>> No headway made pulling the line aboard, while I do the crowbar-jiggle
>> under water.
>> I'm wondering on my '84R22, where is the penant line attached to my CB?
>> Is it the same place as on my rudder?
>> Where is the pivot point of the CB?
>> Is it the same place as on my rudder?
>> I know my boat was made by folks other-than-General in 1984, but Stan can
>> you share the engineering design of my fixed Keel, CB '84R22?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bob & Karen
>> "84 ORION
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of C.
>> Robert Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 7:19 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>> 
>> Thanks Ric!
>> 
>> I should add that the CB is stuck because I didn't raise the penant line
>> when the trailer roller, tucked the CB into the keel when taking the boat
>> out of the water last season.
>> The penant line is sandwiched I feel in between the keel & CB.
>> 
>> The CB on my boat is the old style and the same shape as the rudder.
>> 
>> It is nice to hear someone else "dives" under to fix the issue.
>> 
>> Bob
>> '84 ORION
>> 
>> From: ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> Sent: June 28, 2022 2:38 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>> 
>> I moor my boat in shallow water.
>> During normal low tide the keel is off the bottom by a few inches.
>> When the tide is below normal, sometimes the keel rests on the sandy/small
>> stone bottom.
>> Sometimes this results in a small stone getting wedged between the CB and
>> the trunk.
>> The only way to clear it is to dive under the boat.  I have a long shank
>> screw driver that I use to scrape the stone out.
>> I imagine marine growth could do the same thing and be remedied the  same
>> way.
>> If your CB pendant is loose, be sure to be out of the way when the CB
>> swings down.
>> I often set the pedant to about half way, then make the dive.
>> For the old style  center board ( don't know which you have) the small
>> turning blocks could be bent or jammed also.
>> The blocks are only available in the UK.
>> Good Luck!
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:38 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 26 June 2022 - An attempt to "free" my CB from below and while
>> underwater.
>>> 
>>> While anchored in 4' - 6' of beautiful, NH, Lake water...I dove
>> underneath the boat to take a look.
>>> I attempted to wiggle a wire above the CB to "yank" it down out of the
>> Keel. (this failed).
>>> 
>>> I was able to fit the handle of an adjustable wrench up in between the
>> CB and Keel. This allowed me to jiggle and the space while my wife pulled
>> the penant from topside in the boat.
>>> 1.5 hrs later, the jiggling allowed a loop of penant rope to drop out of
>> the keel, starboard side.
>>> Called it a night and motored to slip.
>>> 
>>> I intend to return for a 2nd try, bringing with me a flat bar and
>> crowbar for more leverage.
>>> Even providing a little bit more wiggle room must allow the person
>> topside to pull more penant rope out to day light, right?
>>> 
>>> Bob in Sunapee,
>>> '84 ORION
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> jpd9668
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:14 AM
>>> To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>>> 
>>> Although I did not have CB problems,  the trunk was leaking and I had to
>> replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once
>> cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB
>> pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain
>> in the ass. TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches
>> before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G
>> smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/8/22  11:40 PM  (GMT-05:00) To:
>> Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel
>> stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the
>> centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you
>> cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the
>> centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli
>> (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <
>> melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me.  My board froze at
>> the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <
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>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>>
>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most
>> secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To:
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Reply-to:
>> john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>;
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject:
>> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from
>> my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a
>> description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the
>> water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > >
>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>>
>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!>
>>>>> Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with
>> centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't
>> have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >>
>>> Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
>> 
>> --
> 
> 
> Jeff Kantor
> 917.825.5380

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