[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

Thu May 19 15:00:53 EDT 2022

I’ll see if I can find a picture.
Chris G

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I don’t have the benefit of owning those items so I don’t know how it
> where they are stowed.
> Ric
> Dadventure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions
> and
> > boards?
> >
> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of
> and
> >> they are both personal:
> >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
> >> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be
> there.
> >> Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
> >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ric,
> >>>
> >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of
> the
> >> bench seat?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
> >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on
> the
> >> cockpit sole.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ric,
> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> >> starboard
> >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
> >> panels
> >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on
> top.
> >> I
> >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger,
> >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> >> language,
> >>>>> please see pictures attached.
> >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
> >> top up
> >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
> >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should
> be
> >> able
> >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The
> rigid
> >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
> >> cabin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
> >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> >>>>> It is still a work in progress.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Patrick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> >> However, I
> >>>>>> have two questions:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
> >> top
> >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
> >> hatch
> >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> >>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> >>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> >> screens,
> >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
> >> hard
> >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits
> loosely
> >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
> >> behind
> >>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
> >>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
> >>>>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> >> support
> >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on
> the
> >>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Very impressive!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> >> bulkhead. I
> >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
> >>>>>> height
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is
> not
> >>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
> >> take
> >>>>>>>> green
> >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
> >> lip
> >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and
> bottom
> >>>>>> edge.
> >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving
> rain,
> >>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>>>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
> >> The
> >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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