[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

Thu May 19 21:51:06 EDT 2022

That is indeed the setup I was talking about, just can’t find the pictures.
Thanks
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I store my homemade cockpit filler planks vertically on the port side
> behind the cockpit bench against the hull, and butting up against
> the cabin.  I added some mounts to keep everything in place and it seems to
> work well.  They are out of the way and it allows for more storage
> containers since there's still plenty of room right under the bench.  Since
> I took these photos, I've added some thin HDPE pieces along the bottom to
> keep the wood off the cockpit sole and let water drain.  See attachment for
> the setup.  Perhaps Chris is referring to a similar setup.  I don't use the
> cockpit filler planks often so it's not a big deal to dig them out
> occasionally, but I wouldn't want to have to do that for every sail and it
> sounds like you might use your enclosure frequently.
>
> Jesse
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 2:01 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I’ll see if I can find a picture.
> > Chris G
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don’t have the benefit of owning those items so I don’t know how it
> > > where they are stowed.
> > > Ric
> > > Dadventure.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler
> cushions
> > > and
> > > > boards?
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> > > >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think
> of
> > > and
> > > >> they are both personal:
> > > >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but
> easy
> > to
> > > >> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> > > >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be
> > > there.
> > > >> Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches
> > better
> > > >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >> O -631-283-1777
> > > >> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Ric,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom
> of
> > > the
> > > >> bench seat?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Patrick
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to
> > hold
> > > >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down
> > on
> > > the
> > > >> cockpit sole.
> > > >>>> Ric
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >>>> O -631-283-1777
> > > >>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <
> > chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ric,
> > > >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> > > >> starboard
> > > >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two
> side
> > > >> panels
> > > >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on
> > > top.
> > > >> I
> > > >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Roger,
> > > >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> > > >> language,
> > > >>>>> please see pictures attached.
> > > >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the
> > whole
> > > >> top up
> > > >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings
> > and
> > > >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I
> should
> > > be
> > > >> able
> > > >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The
> > > rigid
> > > >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving
> the
> > > >> cabin.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up.
> > Duck
> > > >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> > > >>>>> It is still a work in progress.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> patrick
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Patrick,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> > > >> However, I
> > > >>>>>> have two questions:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off
> the
> > > >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard
> > pop
> > > >> top
> > > >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the
> companionway
> > > >> hatch
> > > >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> > > >>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure
> have
> > > >>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> > > >> screens,
> > > >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does
> > your
> > > >> hard
> > > >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and
> privacy?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits
> > > loosely
> > > >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the
> > gunnel
> > > >> behind
> > > >>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep
> it
> > in
> > > >>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6
> > illustrated
> > > >>>>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> > > >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> > > >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> > > >> support
> > > >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room
> on
> > > the
> > > >>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> > > >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Very impressive!
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> > > >> bulkhead. I
> > > >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's
> > enough
> > > >>>>>> height
> > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat
> is
> > > not
> > > >>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or
> > ever
> > > >> take
> > > >>>>>>>> green
> > > >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the
> > raised
> > > >> lip
> > > >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct
> > about
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and
> > > bottom
> > > >>>>>> edge.
> > > >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving
> > > rain,
> > > >>>>>> even
> > > >>>>>>>> at
> > > >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >>>>>> for
> > > >>>>>>>>> Windows
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom
> > edge.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain
> > out.
> > > >> The
> > > >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water
> > out.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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