From hankstein at aol.com  Thu Aug  3 12:10:09 2023
From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:10:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please
References: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a '93? R-22 that I recently purchased and am refurbishing.? ?There is a small 6 inch tear in the mainsl? where the leach canvas meets the foot of the sail.I have the in-the-mast furling mainsl
PLEASE can someone tell me how I can remove the mainsl to repair it ??I cannot see how to remove it.
Thank you for your help.
Hank Stein? ? hankstein at aol.com? ??
Huron, Ohio

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Aug  3 16:22:59 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 13:22:59 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please
Message-ID: <E1qReqZ-0068R7-Gm@s152.servername.online>

Hank,

I've never actually detached my mainsail from the roller tube, but once you get things disassembled, I think that should only require removing a couple of screws.

If your mast is currently up, you'll need to take it down and off the boat.  The whole mainsail and furler assembly is then slid out of the mast through the bottom.  I made a YouTube video about replacing the mainsail furling line that may help get you started: https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM

You'll want to be careful not to bend or kink the tube the sail wraps around.

HTH,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-08-03, at 12:10:09 EDT, hankstein at aol.com wrote:
>
> I have a '93&nbsp; R-22 that I recently purchased and am refurbishing.&nbsp; 
> &nbsp;There is a small 6 inch tear in the mainsl&nbsp; where the leach canvas 
> meets the foot of the sail.I have the in-the-mast furling mainsl 
> PLEASE can someone tell me how I can remove the mainsl to repair it ?&nbsp;I 
> cannot see how to remove it. 
> Thank you for your help.
> Hank Stein&nbsp; &nbsp; <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">hankstein at 
> aol.com</a> 
> Huron, Ohio
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Aug  3 17:00:56 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:00:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please
In-Reply-To: <E1qReqZ-0068R7-Gm@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qReqZ-0068R7-Gm@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <8DED3734-BD38-4028-9033-D694B0F63BBD@aol.com>

We need to figure out a way to remove mainsail without lowering mast.I like ti remove and fold sails in winter.   I?m thinking we use a halyard to raise in groove and cut an exit/entrance slot above boom.  Has anyone tried this?

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hank,
> 
> I've never actually detached my mainsail from the roller tube, but once you get things disassembled, I think that should only require removing a couple of screws.
> 
> If your mast is currently up, you'll need to take it down and off the boat.  The whole mainsail and furler assembly is then slid out of the mast through the bottom.  I made a YouTube video about replacing the mainsail furling line that may help get you started: https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM
> 
> You'll want to be careful not to bend or kink the tube the sail wraps around.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-08-03, at 12:10:09 EDT, hankstein at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I have a '93&nbsp; R-22 that I recently purchased and am refurbishing.&nbsp; 
>> &nbsp;There is a small 6 inch tear in the mainsl&nbsp; where the leach canvas 
>> meets the foot of the sail.I have the in-the-mast furling mainsl 
>> PLEASE can someone tell me how I can remove the mainsl to repair it ?&nbsp;I 
>> cannot see how to remove it. 
>> Thank you for your help.
>> Hank Stein&nbsp; &nbsp; <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">hankstein at 
>> aol.com</a> 
>> Huron, Ohio
>> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Aug  3 18:32:18 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:32:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please
In-Reply-To: <8DED3734-BD38-4028-9033-D694B0F63BBD@aol.com>
References: <E1qReqZ-0068R7-Gm@s152.servername.online>
 <8DED3734-BD38-4028-9033-D694B0F63BBD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005d01d9c65a$5f27a410$1d76ec30$@ebsmed.com>

Thomas,

I am very sure that cutting an entrance slot and fitting a halyard on a rotating tube is significantly more effort than lowering the mast for the annual service. The IMF sail furling mechanism is prone to failures without such complications. Stan's design is relatively foolproof and simple to troubleshoot when it does jam.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please

We need to figure out a way to remove mainsail without lowering mast.I like ti remove and fold sails in winter.   I?m thinking we use a halyard to raise in groove and cut an exit/entrance slot above boom.  Has anyone tried this?

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hank,
> 
> I've never actually detached my mainsail from the roller tube, but once you get things disassembled, I think that should only require removing a couple of screws.
> 
> If your mast is currently up, you'll need to take it down and off the 
> boat.  The whole mainsail and furler assembly is then slid out of the 
> mast through the bottom.  I made a YouTube video about replacing the 
> mainsail furling line that may help get you started: 
> https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM
> 
> You'll want to be careful not to bend or kink the tube the sail wraps around.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-08-03, at 12:10:09 EDT, hankstein at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I have a '93&nbsp; R-22 that I recently purchased and am 
>> refurbishing.&nbsp; &nbsp;There is a small 6 inch tear in the 
>> mainsl&nbsp; where the leach canvas meets the foot of the sail.I have 
>> the in-the-mast furling mainsl PLEASE can someone tell me how I can 
>> remove the mainsl to repair it ?&nbsp;I cannot see how to remove it.
>> Thank you for your help.
>> Hank Stein&nbsp; &nbsp; <a
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">hankstein 
>> at aol.com</a> Huron, Ohio
>> 
> 


From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  3 23:04:46 2023
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 03:04:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please
In-Reply-To: <005d01d9c65a$5f27a410$1d76ec30$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1qReqZ-0068R7-Gm@s152.servername.online>
 <8DED3734-BD38-4028-9033-D694B0F63BBD@aol.com>
 <005d01d9c65a$5f27a410$1d76ec30$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <1397083235.1040635.1691118286781@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have a 2003 Rhodes with IMF.? A few years ago I removed my mainsail so I could send it to SailCare for repair.? As Peter suggested, you must unstep the mast and remove the internal components in order to remove the sail.? The aluminum furling tube is slid into a sewn pocket on the luff of the sail.? The sail is attached to the tube at the head and the tack.? There are also 2 plastic donuts that are attached to the tube with screws.
I suggest that you take photos as you disassemble, so that you can reassemble after the repair.? Among other things, ensure that the sail is rolled the correct direction.
I hope that this helps.
Don Simons,? Old Forge, NY
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 06:32:32 PM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
 
 Thomas,

I am very sure that cutting an entrance slot and fitting a halyard on a rotating tube is significantly more effort than lowering the mast for the annual service. The IMF sail furling mechanism is prone to failures without such complications. Stan's design is relatively foolproof and simple to troubleshoot when it does jam.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing mainsl - need advice please

We need to figure out a way to remove mainsail without lowering mast.I like ti remove and fold sails in winter.? I?m thinking we use a halyard to raise in groove and cut an exit/entrance slot above boom.? Has anyone tried this?

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hank,
> 
> I've never actually detached my mainsail from the roller tube, but once you get things disassembled, I think that should only require removing a couple of screws.
> 
> If your mast is currently up, you'll need to take it down and off the 
> boat.? The whole mainsail and furler assembly is then slid out of the 
> mast through the bottom.? I made a YouTube video about replacing the 
> mainsail furling line that may help get you started: 
> https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM
> 
> You'll want to be careful not to bend or kink the tube the sail wraps around.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-08-03, at 12:10:09 EDT, hankstein at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I have a '93&nbsp; R-22 that I recently purchased and am 
>> refurbishing.&nbsp; &nbsp;There is a small 6 inch tear in the 
>> mainsl&nbsp; where the leach canvas meets the foot of the sail.I have 
>> the in-the-mast furling mainsl PLEASE can someone tell me how I can 
>> remove the mainsl to repair it ?&nbsp;I cannot see how to remove it.
>> Thank you for your help.
>> Hank Stein&nbsp; &nbsp; <a
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">hankstein 
>> at aol.com</a> Huron, Ohio
>> 
> 

  

From hankstein at aol.com  Fri Aug  4 12:09:18 2023
From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:09:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler removing mainsail
References: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821@mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to find someone who has removed the mainsail from their in mast furling system.?I understand how you can slide the entire furling mechanism through the bottom of the mast to replace the furling line.? ?Does the entire furling "rod" slide out the bottom and then allows the mainsl to be removed from the?furling rod ?? ?It would be nice to know what to expect and if there are any helpful hints.??I have a tear near the clew which I would like to repair but will need the sail off the boat to do this.
Any help is appreciated.

Hank Stein? ? ?("Muireann"? ?1993? R-22)
Huron, Ohio
hankstein at aol.com7273248628

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 14:27:48 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 14:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler removing mainsail
In-Reply-To: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <135148973.2160987.1691165358821@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04ca01d9c701$5f7b4870$1e71d950$@gmail.com>

Hank,
I have had my main out if the IMF mast. The entire tube with the main furled around it pulls out of the bottom of the mast. Once out, remove the furling line (Note the direction of the wrap) you need to remove the bearings (donuts). It's pretty straight forward. Be sure to note proper positioning so you will reinstall it correctly. In my case, I had a clean flat lawn to unfurl the sail. Once unfurled (be sure to note the direction of the furling!) remove the sheet metal screws that secure the peak and clew of the sail. Slide sail out of groove in furling tube. Here some photos. I hope they help.

Joe Dempsey
M/V Voyager
Trojan 42
Former S/V Respite
Rhodes 22
Deltaville, VA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 12:09 PM
To: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler removing mainsail

I would like to find someone who has removed the mainsail from their in mast furling system. I understand how you can slide the entire furling mechanism through the bottom of the mast to replace the furling line.   Does the entire furling "rod" slide out the bottom and then allows the mainsl to be removed from the furling rod ?   It would be nice to know what to expect and if there are any helpful hints.  I have a tear near the clew which I would like to repair but will need the sail off the boat to do this.
Any help is appreciated.

Hank Stein     ("Muireann"   1993  R-22) Huron, Ohio
hankstein at aol.com7273248628
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 14:38:50 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 14:38:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmn=rGbtdOzc_GCxKrr7UWFh77DXEFciKniqwaLKUs1mgg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone successfully glued the white outside rim of the opening part of
the forward hatches? What worked?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Aug  4 14:39:21 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 14:39:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler removing mainsail
In-Reply-To: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <135148973.2160987.1691165358821.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <135148973.2160987.1691165358821@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8b657c3e-3a1a-470a-f0c8-fa39914b7398@atlanticbb.net>

Hi Hank,
Somewhere deep in the archives is a post or series of posts I made with 
a lot of photos showing how we replaced our mainsail sometime back 
around 2010. I tried searching for it but the Google search function 
doesn't seem to turn it up anymore.

The short answer to your question is Yes.

I'll try attaching some of those photos here.

Mary Lou
ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD





On 8/4/2023 12:09 PM, hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I would like to find someone who has removed the mainsail from their in mast furling system.?I understand how you can slide the entire furling mechanism through the bottom of the mast to replace the furling line.? ?Does the entire furling "rod" slide out the bottom and then allows the mainsl to be removed from the?furling rod ?? ?It would be nice to know what to expect and if there are any helpful hints.??I have a tear near the clew which I would like to repair but will need the sail off the boat to do this.
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Hank Stein? ? ?("Muireann"? ?1993? R-22)
> Huron, Ohio
> hankstein at aol.com7273248628
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 17:29:51 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 17:29:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmk3kM-DVqF1FjTBYsMDxY_T-dfJeXYhB0iz9UU=B9Wegg@mail.gmail.com>

The hatch is a Jim Black 17 x 17? hatch. All I need is the opening portion.
Does anyone have an extra I could buy?--
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
732-236-1368

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 11:58:50 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 11:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-wrapping the headsail furling line
In-Reply-To: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>
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List Colleagues,

I had to remove my headsail and furling tube from the forestay to make some repairs to the roller furling assembly, and now I?m not sure how much of the black furling line needs to be wrapped around the spool at the bottom of the tube, and in what direction.  I?m thinking it needs to be wrapped in a clockwise direction, so that when pulled it will bring the jib in clockwise and furl it, but I?m not sure how much line needs to be left remaining on the spool or spindle when the jib is fully unfurled.  (I?m not at the boat now, so I?m having to visualize it and may be wrong about the direction.)  I looked at Stan?s manual but didn?t see anything about that.  I suppose I can try trial and error, but I thought I?d seek the wisdom of this group first.  

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC



From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 16:49:36 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 16:49:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-wrapping the headsail furling line
In-Reply-To: <5A367B9D-491E-404B-89A7-02C70A2F2A52@gmail.com>
References: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>
 <5A367B9D-491E-404B-89A7-02C70A2F2A52@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT7VASivEhf2CeTtPWYfVNyx023+v80XpUQB6_7Lh5yRew@mail.gmail.com>

Frank:
Make sure that when furled the sun protection strip is on the outside. That
seems obvious but if the strip is white it is not impossible  to get it
backwards. I discovered that mine had been backwards for years.

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:59 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> List Colleagues,
>
> I had to remove my headsail and furling tube from the forestay to make
> some repairs to the roller furling assembly, and now I?m not sure how much
> of the black furling line needs to be wrapped around the spool at the
> bottom of the tube, and in what direction.  I?m thinking it needs to be
> wrapped in a clockwise direction, so that when pulled it will bring the jib
> in clockwise and furl it, but I?m not sure how much line needs to be left
> remaining on the spool or spindle when the jib is fully unfurled.  (I?m not
> at the boat now, so I?m having to visualize it and may be wrong about the
> direction.)  I looked at Stan?s manual but didn?t see anything about that.
> I suppose I can try trial and error, but I thought I?d seek the wisdom of
> this group first.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
>
> --
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 17:26:52 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 17:26:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-wrapping the headsail furling line
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT7VASivEhf2CeTtPWYfVNyx023+v80XpUQB6_7Lh5yRew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>
 <5A367B9D-491E-404B-89A7-02C70A2F2A52@gmail.com>
 <CACdaeT7VASivEhf2CeTtPWYfVNyx023+v80XpUQB6_7Lh5yRew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FA8E550-57C9-42E9-84E0-DC30168E45BF@gmail.com>

Thanks, Graham.  Yes, I can see that would be important.  Mine is red, so it?s pretty easy to see if I?ve furled it the right way.  

Frank

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank:
> Make sure that when furled the sun protection strip is on the outside. That
> seems obvious but if the strip is white it is not impossible  to get it
> backwards. I discovered that mine had been backwards for years.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:59 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> List Colleagues,
>> 
>> I had to remove my headsail and furling tube from the forestay to make
>> some repairs to the roller furling assembly, and now I?m not sure how much
>> of the black furling line needs to be wrapped around the spool at the
>> bottom of the tube, and in what direction.  I?m thinking it needs to be
>> wrapped in a clockwise direction, so that when pulled it will bring the jib
>> in clockwise and furl it, but I?m not sure how much line needs to be left
>> remaining on the spool or spindle when the jib is fully unfurled.  (I?m not
>> at the boat now, so I?m having to visualize it and may be wrong about the
>> direction.)  I looked at Stan?s manual but didn?t see anything about that.
>> I suppose I can try trial and error, but I thought I?d seek the wisdom of
>> this group first.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>> 
>> --
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 18:19:18 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 18:19:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-wrapping the headsail furling line
In-Reply-To: <9FA8E550-57C9-42E9-84E0-DC30168E45BF@gmail.com>
References: <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1598184038.1661071.1691079009799@mail.yahoo.com>
 <5A367B9D-491E-404B-89A7-02C70A2F2A52@gmail.com>
 <CACdaeT7VASivEhf2CeTtPWYfVNyx023+v80XpUQB6_7Lh5yRew@mail.gmail.com>
 <9FA8E550-57C9-42E9-84E0-DC30168E45BF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXD2qRfm9th3i42+3qvx238J3oNUJSGqmO4Hk=5ExyRPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Frank,
The sail should be fully furled and your sheets should have at least 4
wraps around the sailbabout 5-7 feet up.   If you get it a bit wrong you
can fish the line through for another turn or pull out a turn. It isn?t too
hard.

Chris Geankoplis
Xenos

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:27 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Graham.  Yes, I can see that would be important.  Mine is red, so
> it?s pretty easy to see if I?ve furled it the right way.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Aug 6, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank:
> > Make sure that when furled the sun protection strip is on the outside.
> That
> > seems obvious but if the strip is white it is not impossible  to get it
> > backwards. I discovered that mine had been backwards for years.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:59 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> List Colleagues,
> >>
> >> I had to remove my headsail and furling tube from the forestay to make
> >> some repairs to the roller furling assembly, and now I?m not sure how
> much
> >> of the black furling line needs to be wrapped around the spool at the
> >> bottom of the tube, and in what direction.  I?m thinking it needs to be
> >> wrapped in a clockwise direction, so that when pulled it will bring the
> jib
> >> in clockwise and furl it, but I?m not sure how much line needs to be
> left
> >> remaining on the spool or spindle when the jib is fully unfurled.  (I?m
> not
> >> at the boat now, so I?m having to visualize it and may be wrong about
> the
> >> direction.)  I looked at Stan?s manual but didn?t see anything about
> that.
> >> I suppose I can try trial and error, but I thought I?d seek the wisdom
> of
> >> this group first.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frank Goldsmith
> >> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> >> Fairview, NC
> >> Lake Keowee, SC
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 09:39:24 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate
References: <1522902396.2063038.1691674765662.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1522902396.2063038.1691674765662@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
? I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.? I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.? I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.? I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,? or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).? I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.

Thanks,
? Peter
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Aug 10 09:51:14 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate
In-Reply-To: <1522902396.2063038.1691674765662@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.2006.1691675481.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Peter,?mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.Mikes/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY?
-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23  9:39 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate Hi all,? I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.? I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.? I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.? I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,? or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).? I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.Thanks,? Peter-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: 20230412_183355.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 3611817 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230810/cda87e4a/attachment.jpg>

From hankstein at aol.com  Thu Aug 10 18:51:21 2023
From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:51:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
References: <1284216997.2966146.1691707881785.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1284216997.2966146.1691707881785@mail.yahoo.com>

Has anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.? ?i.e.? the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.
I am a mile from the ramp.? ?I am curious if this would even be possible to do.??
Thanks..??
Hank? Stein??Huron, Ohio
727 324 8628


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Aug 10 19:06:12 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 19:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
In-Reply-To: <1284216997.2966146.1691707881785@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1284216997.2966146.1691707881785.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1284216997.2966146.1691707881785@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008701d9cbdf$42f183d0$c8d48b70$@ebsmed.com>

Measure twice ... you don't want to take out traffic lights or overhead wires.

In addition, the bouncing of the mast hanging out over the rear crutch might tear the tabernacle (step plate) right out of the cabin roof. The screws that secure the mast to the cabin roof are designed to pull out if overloaded.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 6:51 PM
To: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step

Has anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.   i.e.  the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.
I am a mile from the ramp.   I am curious if this would even be possible to do. Thanks.. Hank  Stein  Huron, Ohio
727 324 8628



From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 20:56:18 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:56:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
In-Reply-To: <008701d9cbdf$42f183d0$c8d48b70$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <64d58743.050a0220.fe084.8f6a@mx.google.com>

If memory serves me, my vertical clearance with Respite on the trailer was c.12 feet with the mast unstepped in the cradle and foot on the pulpit. I expect that with the mast lowered to cradle but remaining in the tabernacle, the increased angle would top out above 15-16 feet. You'd be hard pressed to find a 1 mile stretch of road anywhere that would provide 16 feet of continuous clearance.Joe DempseyTrojan 42? M/V Voyager? Former Rhodes 22??S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> Date: 8/10/23  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: hankstein at aol.com, 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step Measure twice ... you don't want to take out traffic lights or overhead wires.In addition, the bouncing of the mast hanging out over the rear crutch might tear the tabernacle (step plate) right out of the cabin roof. The screws that secure the mast to the cabin roof are designed to pull out if overloaded.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-listSent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 6:51 PMTo: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the stepHas anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.?? i.e.? the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.I am a mile from the ramp.?? I am curious if this would even be possible to do. Thanks.. Hank? Stein? Huron, Ohio727 324 8628

From hankstein at aol.com  Thu Aug 10 21:09:38 2023
From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 01:09:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
In-Reply-To: <64d58743.050a0220.fe084.8f6a@mx.google.com>
References: <008701d9cbdf$42f183d0$c8d48b70$@ebsmed.com>
 <64d58743.050a0220.fe084.8f6a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1315913246.3020143.1691716178545@mail.yahoo.com>

I am researching that and also going ro accurately measure the height.Standard power line vertical clearance is 15 ft and traffic signals are 17 ft. I am pretty sure that the height of the mast in the step will be 15 ft. Too close for comfort LOL.This is academic. It would be significant for a 74-year-old who launches and rigs the boat himself to contemplate hauling the one mile to the ramp with the mast in the step already LOL

Sent from AOL on Android 
 
  On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 8:56 PM, jpd9668<jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:   If memory serves me, my vertical clearance with Respite on the trailer was c.12 feet with the mast unstepped in the cradle and foot on the pulpit. I expect that with the mast lowered to cradle but remaining in the tabernacle, the increased angle would top out above 15-16 feet. You'd be hard pressed to find a 1 mile stretch of road anywhere that would provide 16 feet of continuous clearance.
Joe DempseyTrojan 42? M/V Voyager? Former Rhodes 22??S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA? 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> Date: 8/10/23 7:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: hankstein at aol.com, 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step 
Measure twice ... you don't want to take out traffic lights or overhead wires.

In addition, the bouncing of the mast hanging out over the rear crutch might tear the tabernacle (step plate) right out of the cabin roof. The screws that secure the mast to the cabin roof are designed to pull out if overloaded.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 6:51 PM
To: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step

Has anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.?? i.e.? the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.
I am a mile from the ramp.?? I am curious if this would even be possible to do. Thanks.. Hank? Stein? Huron, Ohio
727 324 8628


  

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 21:58:20 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
In-Reply-To: <1315913246.3020143.1691716178545@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64d595ce.4a0a0220.67f4b.97a3@mx.google.com>

Another consideration is stability. The increased angle will put additional lateral stress on the transom mounted cradle not to mention the tabernacle,? either of which are designed for such loads. If you were just going from the ramp to a parking lot on the Marina with no overhead lines, I'd say fine. I'm very skeptical about what you are contemplating.?Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V Respite??Deltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: hankstein at aol.com Date: 8/10/23  9:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: jpd9668 at gmail.com, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step I am researching that and also going ro accurately measure the height.Standard power line vertical clearance is 15 ft and traffic signals are 17 ft. I am pretty sure that the height of the mast in the step will be 15 ft. Too close for comfort LOL.This is academic. It would be significant for a 74-year-old who launches and rigs the boat himself to contemplate hauling the one mile to the ramp with the mast in the step already LOLSent from AOL on Android    On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 8:56 PM, jpd9668<jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:   If memory serves me, my vertical clearance with Respite on the trailer was c.12 feet with the mast unstepped in the cradle and foot on the pulpit. I expect that with the mast lowered to cradle but remaining in the tabernacle, the increased angle would top out above 15-16 feet. You'd be hard pressed to find a 1 mile stretch of road anywhere that would provide 16 feet of continuous clearance.Joe DempseyTrojan 42? M/V Voyager? Former Rhodes 22??S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone-------- Original message --------From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> Date: 8/10/23  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: hankstein at aol.com, 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step Measure twice ... you don't want to take out traffic lights or overhead wires.In addition, the bouncing of the mast hanging out over the rear crutch might tear the tabernacle (step plate) right out of the cabin roof. The screws that secure the mast to the cabin roof are designed to pull out if overloaded.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-listSent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 6:51 PMTo: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the stepHas anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.?? i.e.? the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.I am a mile from the ramp.?? I am curious if this would even be possible to do. Thanks.. Hank? Stein? Huron, Ohio727 324 8628  

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 22:56:29 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 02:56:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate
References: <1522902396.2063038.1691674765662@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480706702.2368847.1691722589551@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Thanks Michael,
 I sent an email as you suggested.

Peter     On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter,?
mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
Mike
s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY?

-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
Hi all,
? I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.? I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.? I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.? I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,? or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).? I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.

Thanks,
? Peter
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Aug 11 08:00:11 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step
In-Reply-To: <64d595ce.4a0a0220.67f4b.97a3@mx.google.com>
References: <64d595ce.4a0a0220.67f4b.97a3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B24B9076-5206-4EAB-A2AA-06DB32E595DF@stottarchitecture.com>

I?m not sure I understand the rational. It?s easy  to move the base of the mast from the step to the bow pulpit. Why would one want to trailer it, even a mile, in such a vulnerable state?
Ric
Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:58 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another consideration is stability. The increased angle will put additional lateral stress on the transom mounted cradle not to mention the tabernacle,  either of which are designed for such loads. If you were just going from the ramp to a parking lot on the Marina with no overhead lines, I'd say fine. I'm very skeptical about what you are contemplating. Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V Respite  Deltaville, VA  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: hankstein at aol.com Date: 8/10/23  9:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: jpd9668 at gmail.com, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step I am researching that and also going ro accurately measure the height.Standard power line vertical clearance is 15 ft and traffic signals are 17 ft. I am pretty sure that the height of the mast in the step will be 15 ft. Too close for comfort LOL.This is academic. It would be significant for a 74-year-old who launches and rigs the boat himself to contemplate hauling the one mile to the ramp with the mast in the step already LOLSent from AOL on Android    On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 8:56 PM, jpd9668<jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:   If memory serves me, my vertical clearance with Respite on the trailer was c.12 feet with the mast unstepped in the cradle and foot on the pulpit. I expect that with the mast lowered to cradle but remaining in the tabernacle, the increased angle would top out above 15-16 feet. You'd be hard pressed to find a 1 mile stretch of road anywhere that would provide 16 feet of continuous clearance.Joe DempseyTrojan 42  M/V Voyager  Former Rhodes 22  S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone-------- Original message --------From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> Date: 8/10/23  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: hankstein at aol.com, 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the step Measure twice ... you don't want to take out traffic lights or overhead wires.In addition, the bouncing of the mast hanging out over the rear crutch might tear the tabernacle (step plate) right out of the cabin roof. The screws that secure the mast to the cabin roof are designed to pull out if overloaded.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of hankstein--- via Rhodes22-listSent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 6:51 PMTo: RHODES OWNERS FORUM <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hauling to the ramp with the mast in the stepHas anyone hauled their R-22 to the launch ramp with the mast in the step.   i.e.  the mast on the rear guide but still fastened to the mast step.I am a mile from the ramp.   I am curious if this would even be possible to do. Thanks.. Hank  Stein  Huron, Ohio727 324 8628  

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 06:50:45 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 06:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkS+kA+ZEjVADH0gehZLxWJHZRV3ou+i6or_TrdrrmZDA@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I had saved the instructions but apparently not. I have also had
no luck searching. Will someone please link to the instructions for folding
the pop top enclosure?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 07:17:59 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:17:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmkS+kA+ZEjVADH0gehZLxWJHZRV3ou+i6or_TrdrrmZDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkS+kA+ZEjVADH0gehZLxWJHZRV3ou+i6or_TrdrrmZDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <281533A6-0D2F-440E-92E9-F4EEC57D92B9@gmail.com>

Jeff,

Attached are some instructions (written by Stan) that came with my boat.  There are two versions, apparently of different vintages, perhaps because my boat was built in 1985 and refurbished in 2001 or so, from what I was told.  Hope that helps.

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

??


> On Aug 15, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought I had saved the instructions but apparently not. I have also had
> no luck searching. Will someone please link to the instructions for folding
> the pop top enclosure?
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Aug 15 08:38:01 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 12:38:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure
In-Reply-To: <281533A6-0D2F-440E-92E9-F4EEC57D92B9@gmail.com>
References: <281533A6-0D2F-440E-92E9-F4EEC57D92B9@gmail.com>
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Jeff,

Search Rhodes22.org , picture gallery , Technical.

There are a series of 6 annotated photos that illustrate, step by step, how to fold the pop top.  Note that my pop top is the early style (behind the mast).  But, the procedure should work on the new style as well.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Jeff,
>
> Attached are some instructions (written by Stan) that came with my boat.  There are two versions, apparently of different vintages, perhaps because my boat was built in 1985 and refurbished in 2001 or so, from what I was told.  Hope that helps.
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
> ??
>
>
>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought I had saved the instructions but apparently not. I have also had
>> no luck searching. Will someone please link to the instructions for folding
>> the pop top enclosure?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> http://www.http//JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Aug 15 15:56:32 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:56:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure
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Jeff,

If you go to the Rhodes22 Owner's Group website, click of "Picture Gallery" then "Technical" or simply click on this link, http://rhodes22.org/pictures-technical.html, you will find a large assortment of pictures for the Rhodes 22. The eighth line down from the top is the first of a sequence of photos that document the procedure of folding the poptop enclosure from Roger Pihlaja. There's a lot more interesting stuff on our site.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Smith Photo
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:51 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure

I thought I had saved the instructions but apparently not. I have also had no luck searching. Will someone please link to the instructions for folding the pop top enclosure?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 07:20:05 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:20:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=0tD4yjDjRHMWUapjtLa-PUJhS6UWf72tbkdtCrMQTVw@mail.gmail.com>

I can't seem to find the diagrams. Can someone link?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Aug 16 10:05:56 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
Message-ID: <E1qWH9o-00F8EZ-Dn@s152.servername.online>

Jeff,

I don't recall any mention of diagrams.  There's some pictures taken by Roger that Mike W provided instruction for finding in the 'Picture Gallery' section.  As Roger mentions, his enclosure is an older style that does not wrap around the mast.

If you're looking for instructions for folding a newer style enclosure that _does_ wrap around the mast, I can attempt to describe my approach.  I can't take any pictures unfortunately, since my boat and trailer are still at the trailer repair place in Maine.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-08-16, at 07:20:05 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> I can't seem to find the diagrams. Can someone link?
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Aug 16 10:44:28 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAm=0tD4yjDjRHMWUapjtLa-PUJhS6UWf72tbkdtCrMQTVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeff,

The images are available at:
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-1a.jpg
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-2a.jpg
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-3a.jpg
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-4a.jpg
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-5a.jpg
	http://www.rhodes22.org/thumbnails/Poptop-6a.jpg

I also created a pdf file of the images. The link is at the end of this email.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Aug 16 14:58:49 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 11:58:49 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
Message-ID: <E1qWLjF-00GGcw-KO@s152.servername.online>

I just want to note that when you're in the 'Picture Gallery' area, what you're looking at in the grid of pictures is the 'thumbnail' version of the images.  Clicking on an image will result in the display of a larger version of the image.  Sometimes it's only a bit larger, sometimes it's a lot larger.

In the case of Roger's pictures, the text is much easier to read in the full sized images.

--Peter

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Aug 16 15:14:59 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
In-Reply-To: <E1qWLjF-00GGcw-KO@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qWLjF-00GGcw-KO@s152.servername.online>
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Peter,

Thank you. I noticed that the images in the pdf looked awful but I was in a hurry this morning.

I wanted to provide the links to the images in the Picture Gallery but didn't realize that they were just "thumbnails". I obtained the links by simply right clicking on the image in the array and saving the link for my email to Jeff.

Unfortunately, I didn?t review the links before sending.

For the larger images, they should have been as follows:

	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-1a.jpg
	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-2a.jpg
	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-3a.jpg
	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-4a.jpg
	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-5a.jpg
	http://rhodes22.org/pics/Poptop-6a.jpg


Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 2:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding

I just want to note that when you're in the 'Picture Gallery' area, what you're looking at in the grid of pictures is the 'thumbnail' version of the images.  Clicking on an image will result in the display of a larger version of the image.  Sometimes it's only a bit larger, sometimes it's a lot larger.

In the case of Roger's pictures, the text is much easier to read in the full sized images.

--Peter


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 06:52:58 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 06:52:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure folding
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnZUkcd6EanFyRNNdJYdjVW74NXbErhkY2vqHBj_8R3zA@mail.gmail.com>

WOW! Thanks all for the great response!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Aug 17 14:44:01 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:44:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Folding the enclosure
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Jeff,

There are no diagrams.  There are a series of photos with labels and arrows describing what?s going on in each step.  For example, in step 1, the label burned into the photo instructs you how to lay out the enclosure, which side needs to be up, and which zippers need to be open and closed.  After that, just follow the instructions on each photo to fold up your enclosure.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2023, at 2:38 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Jeff,
>
> Search Rhodes22.org , picture gallery , Technical.
>
> There are a series of 6 annotated photos that illustrate, step by step, how to fold the pop top.  Note that my pop top is the early style (behind the mast).  But, the procedure should work on the new style as well.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Jeff,
>>
>> Attached are some instructions (written by Stan) that came with my boat.  There are two versions, apparently of different vintages, perhaps because my boat was built in 1985 and refurbished in 2001 or so, from what I was told.  Hope that helps.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought I had saved the instructions but apparently not. I have also had
>>> no luck searching. Will someone please link to the instructions for folding
>>> the pop top enclosure?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jeff Smith
>>> http://www.http//JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>>> 732-236-1368
>>
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From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Aug 18 16:20:12 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:20:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a
number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan
devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.
But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet
rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I
have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would
likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled
rigging from a Rhodes.
Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very
appreciated.

Tom  Hyatt
S/V as yet unnamed
Baltimore, Maryland
Maryland Marina

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 19:14:53 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01d9d229$cc302660$64907320$@gmail.com>

Tom,
As for GBI, I don't know their or Stan's status. He is 94-97 years of age and had been  off the grid for sometime now. For standing rigging, contact Dwyer Aluminum Mast, sorry I don't have contact info, but they have a website with a phone number. I'd advise contacting them for mast, spar and standing rigging questions. They have the drawings for all of the standing rigging, spars, etc. For running rigging, it's all pretty much by measurement. The traveler is available through an associate of Stan's (someone on the List will chime in with his name and contact info. I think the key question will be, "do you have an IMF or standard mast"? and "Do you have a roller furling jib"? If so, which one. I think there were two, maybe three. Stan's original GBI system and then the CDI F2. I believe the CDI system mates with the IMF mast, and they should have the correct measurements for the forestay. Contact Joel at info at sailcdi.com or 844-379-2407.  Good luck!

Joe Dempsey

Trojan 42
M/V Voyager
Former Rhodes 22
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA

--Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 4:20 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging

I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.
But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled rigging from a Rhodes.
Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very appreciated.

Tom  Hyatt
S/V as yet unnamed
Baltimore, Maryland
Maryland Marina


From rweiss at siu.edu  Fri Aug 18 19:17:47 2023
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 23:17:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <00fe01d9d229$cc302660$64907320$@gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <00fe01d9d229$cc302660$64907320$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB83785364A3B697F92A1CF65AC61BA@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

For parts from General Boats, try contacting Charles Gabriel -- charles.gabriel at gmail.com

Bob

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 6:14 PM
To: 'Tom Hyatt' <thyatt at mica.edu>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Tom,
As for GBI, I don't know their or Stan's status. He is 94-97 years of age and had been  off the grid for sometime now. For standing rigging, contact Dwyer Aluminum Mast, sorry I don't have contact info, but they have a website with a phone number. I'd advise contacting them for mast, spar and standing rigging questions. They have the drawings for all of the standing rigging, spars, etc. For running rigging, it's all pretty much by measurement. The traveler is available through an associate of Stan's (someone on the List will chime in with his name and contact info. I think the key question will be, "do you have an IMF or standard mast"? and "Do you have a roller furling jib"? If so, which one. I think there were two, maybe three. Stan's original GBI system and then the CDI F2. I believe the CDI system mates with the IMF mast, and they should have the correct measurements for the forestay. Contact Joel at info at sailcdi.com or 844-379-2407.  Good luck!

Joe Dempsey

Trojan 42
M/V Voyager
Former Rhodes 22
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA

--Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 4:20 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging

I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.
But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled rigging from a Rhodes.
Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very appreciated.

Tom  Hyatt
S/V as yet unnamed
Baltimore, Maryland
Maryland Marina


From jldunnie at comcast.net  Fri Aug 18 20:16:28 2023
From: jldunnie at comcast.net (JAMES DUNNIE JR)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remove
Message-ID: <1300038353.20775.1692404188827@connect.xfinity.com>

Could you please remove me from the mailing list as I have purchased a Precision 21. Fair winds to all, Jim

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 20:30:33 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPzNH58AQoW3YWqomVpCCk+ZWzEWBMzu4yFeQsmCU3oNA@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,
on boats that old there were no travelers per se. The main sheet block
assembly block and cleat had a swivel block on the bottom.
Then rigged between the two aft chainplate extenders was a slack line which
the swivel block rode on. It formed a "V" shape in the center above the
tiller handle. You could tow it left or right with no pressure on the boom.
I'll post a pic if I can find one.

Todd T

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a
> number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan
> devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.
> But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet
> rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I
> have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would
> likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled
> rigging from a Rhodes.
> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very
> appreciated.
>
> Tom  Hyatt
> S/V as yet unnamed
> Baltimore, Maryland
> Maryland Marina
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 20:49:49 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:49:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPzNH58AQoW3YWqomVpCCk+ZWzEWBMzu4yFeQsmCU3oNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+s0gTfopfncycCi6Ar+SoWQ6LnT0W2ugLi=4pCoHdw0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMPzNH58AQoW3YWqomVpCCk+ZWzEWBMzu4yFeQsmCU3oNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOQxD5+S0GVjM5pmNpvMCNgrnVR-C1+yBfCEMZXrZTRyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also, Dwyer Mast company has turned their website off and are so backed up,
they said they aren't taking any new orders until 2024.

Todd T.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> on boats that old there were no travelers per se. The main sheet block
> assembly block and cleat had a swivel block on the bottom.
> Then rigged between the two aft chainplate extenders was a slack line
> which the swivel block rode on. It formed a "V" shape in the center above
> the tiller handle. You could tow it left or right with no pressure on the
> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find one.
>
> Todd T
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a
>> number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan
>> devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.
>> But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet
>> rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I
>> have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would
>> likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled
>> rigging from a Rhodes.
>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Tom  Hyatt
>> S/V as yet unnamed
>> Baltimore, Maryland
>> Maryland Marina
>>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 21:45:23 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:45:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMOQxD5+S0GVjM5pmNpvMCNgrnVR-C1+yBfCEMZXrZTRyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>> appreciated.>>>> Tom? Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>> Maryland Marina>>>

From robert at pamayared.com  Fri Aug 18 22:04:44 2023
From: robert at pamayared.com (Robert@ Pamaya Red)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 22:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2012 Rhodes for sale
Message-ID: <CAJM+vrsDCojFSoskc1z1N1+3Wbvb6pdqon0HZWXjftxvbzdW7g@mail.gmail.com>

Moving and need to sell my 2012 Rhodes22. No pictures yet. Thought I'd
offer it to the group to get ideas on best way to sell. She is located in
Croton on the Hudson, the slip is paid for till November. Comes with a 2013
Triad trailer, 9.9 Yamaha, pop top enclosure, new fiberglass tiller ( not
installed) and New raymarine auto pilot, also not installed. Very good
condition.
Whatever help I get will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Robert Weinberg
" Reverie"

From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Aug 19 08:08:43 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
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Tom,

I note you live near the Annapolis Show.? It will be on in less that 2 
months.? (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).? I will be there as 
we have been since this show started and where we will continue to 
exhibit 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out 
to sea.? Come.? An in person visit will be the best way for us to review 
your needs.

stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know 
more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)

On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:
> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>> appreciated.>>>> Tom? Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>> Maryland Marina>>>


From gramille at tds.net  Sat Aug 19 10:04:02 2023
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 10:04:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <2cdfdf55-ea15-afe2-a020-22365527a472@generalboats.com>
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Good for you Stan.
I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!
Graham Parker
sv ?00Sailin'

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I note you live near the Annapolis Show.  It will be on in less that 2 months.  (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).  I will be there as we have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.  Come.  An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.
> 
> stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)
> 
> On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:
>> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>> appreciated.>>>> Tom  Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>> Maryland Marina>>>
> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Sat Aug 19 10:06:08 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 10:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <E61F4F23-4F47-48C4-B14D-09327B4E347A@tds.net>
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Thanks Stan. I look forward to going to the show and talking with you. I
appreciate that you responded to my question.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Good for you Stan.
> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!
> Graham Parker
> sv ?00Sailin'
>
> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I note you live near the Annapolis Show.  It will be on in less that 2
> months.  (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).  I will be there as we
> have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit
> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.
> Come.  An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.
> >
> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know
> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)
> >
> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:
> >> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<
> tavares0947 at gmail.com>  Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<
> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company
> has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't
> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd
> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there
> were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat
> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft
> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It
> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it
> left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find
> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the
> mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of
> travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system
> for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch
> (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the
> aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General
> Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from
> Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>
> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>
> appreciated.>>>> Tom  Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>
> Maryland Marina>>>
> >
>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 11:06:05 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2JaxkrEJiQAcwB6Xra2_TmK=UifbFJA-+kY10dtN9CW-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64e0da5e.0c0a0220.9537c.6696@mx.google.com>

Great to hear from you, Stan. So many Rhodies need to see and hear from you. They have so many needs and questions. Is the Owners Co-Op still available for owners? Who should they call for parts and components?Joe?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/19/23  10:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Thanks Stan. I look forward to going to the show and talking with you. Iappreciate that you responded to my question.On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:> Good for you Stan.> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!> Graham Parker> sv ?00Sailin'>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >> > Tom,> >> > I note you live near the Annapolis Show.? It will be on in less that 2> months.? (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).? I will be there as we> have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.> Come.? An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.> >> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)> >> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> >> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<> tavares0947 at gmail.com>? Date: 8/18/23? 8:50 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company> has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>? wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there> were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it> left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the> mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of> travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system> for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch> (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the> aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General> Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from> Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>> appreciated.>>>> Tom? Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>> Maryland Marina>>>> >>>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 17:40:47 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 16:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
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If Stan is going to be there then I?ve gotta go too. It will be worth the
drive from Kansas. See you all at the show.
Chris Geankoplis
?83-2016 Rhodes
XENOS

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:06 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great to hear from you, Stan. So many Rhodies need to see and hear from
> you. They have so many needs and questions. Is the Owners Co-Op still
> available for owners? Who should they call for parts and
> components?Joe Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/19/23  10:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Thanks Stan. I look forward to going
> to the show and talking with you. Iappreciate that you responded to my
> question.On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> wrote:> Good for you Stan.> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best
> from rainy Vermont!> Graham Parker> sv ?00Sailin'>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at
> 08:08, Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> >> > Tom,> >> > I
> note you live near the Annapolis Show.  It will be on in less that 2>
> months.  (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).  I will be there as
> we> have been since this show started and where we will continue to
> exhibit> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to
> sea.> Come.  An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your
> needs.> >> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable
> and know> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make
> it.)> >> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> >> They will still provide
> support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G
> smartphone> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com>  Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom
> Hyatt<> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet
> rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company> has turned their website off and are so
> backed up,they said they aren't> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On
> Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>  wrote:>
> Tom,> on boats that old there> were no travelers per se. The main sheet
> block> assembly block and cleat> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then
> rigged between the two aft> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which
> the swivel block rode on. It> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the
> tiller handle. You could tow it> left or right with no pressure on the>
> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023,
> 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the> mainsail on the Rhodes. I
> have seen a>> number of different systems of> travelers and mainsheets and
> I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system> for the boats that GB renewed
> and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch> (my newly purchased 78 has no
> mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the> aft stays are set up) what
> options do I>> have? It appears that General> Boats is no longer in
> business so I would>> likely buy equipment from> Harken or Viadana, etc,
> or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>> Any help for how the
> Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>> appreciated.>>>>
> Tom  Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>> Maryland
> Marina>>>> >>>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Aug 20 11:47:53 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 11:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
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Joe, nice to see your concern for all your Rhodies mates continuing, in 
spite of your move to what I have to imagine is a new and broader 
boating world.? Yes, ROC is still afloat. And yes, so am I and this year 
I will be one of the exhibits. Glad to know many of the "LISTS' brains 
will be attending.? I may have a few questions.

stan

On 8/19/23 11:06 AM, jpd9668 wrote:
> Great to hear from you, Stan. So many Rhodies need to see and hear from you. They have so many needs and questions. Is the Owners Co-Op still available for owners? Who should they call for parts and components?Joe?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Date: 8/19/23  10:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Thanks Stan. I look forward to going to the show and talking with you. Iappreciate that you responded to my question.On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker<gramille at tds.net>  wrote:> Good for you Stan.> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!> Graham Parker> sv ?00Sailin'>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer<stan at generalboats.com>  wrote:> >> > Tom,> >> > I note you live near the Annapolis Show.? It will be on in less that 2> months.? (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).? I will be there as we> have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.> Come.? An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.> >> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)> >> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> >> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<>tavares0947 at gmail.com>? Date: 8/18/23? 8:50 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company> has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com> ? wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there> were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it> left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the> mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of> travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system> for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch> (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the> aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General> Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from> Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>> appreciated.>>>> Tom? Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>> Maryland Marina>>>> >>>


From rodellner at mac.com  Sun Aug 20 12:31:18 2023
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 10:31:18 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
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Stan

Wish we lived closer?..made the move to CO?..(remembering Alex and Pamela?s Rhodes22 fleet). Have a GREAT show!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Joe, nice to see your concern for all your Rhodies mates continuing, in spite of your move to what I have to imagine is a new and broader boating world.  Yes, ROC is still afloat. And yes, so am I and this year I will be one of the exhibits. Glad to know many of the "LISTS' brains will be attending.  I may have a few questions.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On 8/19/23 11:06 AM, jpd9668 wrote:
>> Great to hear from you, Stan. So many Rhodies need to see and hear from you. They have so many needs and questions. Is the Owners Co-Op still available for owners? Who should they call for parts and components?Joe Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Date: 8/19/23  10:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Thanks Stan. I look forward to going to the show and talking with you. Iappreciate that you responded to my question.On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker<gramille at tds.net>  wrote:> Good for you Stan.> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!> Graham Parker> sv ?00Sailin'>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer<stan at generalboats.com>  wrote:> >> > Tom,> >> > I note you live near the Annapolis Show.  It will be on in less that 2> months.  (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).  I will be there as we> have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.> Come.  An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.> >> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)> >> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> >> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<>tavares0947 at gmail.com>  Date: 8/18/23  8:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company> has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com>   wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there> were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it> left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the> mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of> travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system> for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch> (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the> aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General> Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from> Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>> appreciated.>>>> Tom  Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>> Maryland Marina>>>> >>>
> 

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 20 13:16:44 2023
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 17:16:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging
In-Reply-To: <a8d31e0b-2674-a77b-6ed7-87dc8e0c5966@generalboats.com>
References: <64e0da5e.0c0a0220.9537c.6696@mx.google.com>
 <a8d31e0b-2674-a77b-6ed7-87dc8e0c5966@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1655027342.2167261.1692551804649@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan,Glad to see you are well and active,? especially with the Annapolis Boat Show. It sounds like a homecoming event for all. I am continuing my search for two replacement rudders for those lost in a fire in January.? Any assist would be appreciated.?
Best to you.
Art Czerwonky?s/v Mary Jane

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:48 AM, Stan Spitzer<stan at generalboats.com> wrote:   Joe, nice to see your concern for all your Rhodies mates continuing, in 
spite of your move to what I have to imagine is a new and broader 
boating world.? Yes, ROC is still afloat. And yes, so am I and this year 
I will be one of the exhibits. Glad to know many of the "LISTS' brains 
will be attending.? I may have a few questions.

stan

On 8/19/23 11:06 AM, jpd9668 wrote:
> Great to hear from you, Stan. So many Rhodies need to see and hear from you. They have so many needs and questions. Is the Owners Co-Op still available for owners? Who should they call for parts and components?Joe?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>? Date: 8/19/23? 10:06 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>? Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Thanks Stan. I look forward to going to the show and talking with you. Iappreciate that you responded to my question.On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:04 AM Graham Parker<gramille at tds.net>? wrote:> Good for you Stan.> I wish I lived a bit nearer but all the best from rainy Vermont!> Graham Parker> sv ?00Sailin'>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 08:08, Stan Spitzer<stan at generalboats.com>? wrote:> >> > Tom,> >> > I note you live near the Annapolis Show.? It will be on in less that 2> months.? (only 4 days this year: Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun).? I will be there as we> have been since this show started and where we will continue to exhibit> 'til they prop me up in a Rhodes, set it afire and push it out to sea.> Come.? An in person visit will be the best way for us to review your needs.> >> > stan (show time I will still be under 98 so I am manageable and know> more about old Rhodes than most list members. Hope you can make it.)> >> > On 8/18/23 9:45 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> >> They will still provide support. Use the TELEPHONE!Sent via the Samsung> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> >> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares<>tavares0947 at gmail.com>? Date: 8/18/23? 8:50 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Hyatt<> thyatt at mica.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Mainsheet rigging Also, Dwyer Mast company> has turned their website off and are so backed up,they said they aren't> taking any new orders until 2024.Todd T.On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:30 PM Todd> Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com> ? wrote:> Tom,> on boats that old there> were no travelers per se. The main sheet block> assembly block and cleat> had a swivel block on the bottom.> Then rigged between the two aft> chainplate extenders was a slack line> which the swivel block rode on. It> formed a "V" shape in the center above> the tiller handle. You could tow it> left or right with no pressure on the> boom. I'll post a pic if I can find> one.>> Todd T>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:20 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>>> I have a question about rigging the> mainsail on the Rhodes. I have seen a>> number of different systems of> travelers and mainsheets and I know Stan>> devised a new traveler system> for the boats that GB renewed and resold.>> But.... starting from scratch> (my newly purchased 78 has no mainsheet>> rigging except for the way the> aft stays are set up) what options do I>> have? It appears that General> Boats is no longer in business so I would>> likely buy equipment from> Harken or Viadana, etc, or, ideally, recycled>> rigging from a Rhodes.>>> Any help for how the Rhodes 22 mainsail boom is best rigged would be very>>> appreciated.>>>> Tom? Hyatt>> S/V as yet unnamed>> Baltimore, Maryland>>> Maryland Marina>>>> >>>

  

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Aug 20 18:36:10 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 18:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBC+gq=Z+2gK7_ACLUx9FMp_BLL6R+uRKYghvQmLV+xQ8A@mail.gmail.com>

My Rhodes 2000/2017 points higher on a port tack 35?-45?.
On a starboard tack 50?-60? is all I can usually get to. This started after
I replaced the aft lower shroud on the starboard side.

I?m suspect that that mast is not vertically plumb. So I?m assuming the I
need to lengthen the post shrouds and shorten the starboard ones.

Just figured I would ask before I go through the exercise since I taped up
the shrouds at the base to prevent the jib sheets from getting hung up
there. Which always seemed to happened while I was solo sailing.
Appreciate the wisdom of you that have ?been there, done that?, got the
T-shirt.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island,MD



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Aug 21 04:43:34 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:43:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBC+gq=Z+2gK7_ACLUx9FMp_BLL6R+uRKYghvQmLV+xQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBC+gq=Z+2gK7_ACLUx9FMp_BLL6R+uRKYghvQmLV+xQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY8PR10MB66839260C2186DE7D70BCBDE801EA@CY8PR10MB6683.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Bob,

The easiest way to check mast vertical plumb is with a halyard or topping lift from the masthead.  Pull the line tight on starboard side, mark it, and then do the same on port side.  If the two lines lengths are the same; then the mast is vertically plum port/starboard.

It?s more likely your new aft lower shroud has pulled the mast out of column.  Actually, all 4 lower shrouds interact, so what I mean is the tension on the new shroud is not the same as the old shroud.  To check this, run the halyard down the aft side of the mast.  Pull the line taut and then sight up the line.  The gap between the line and the mast should be even all the way up and down.  If not; then, your mast has been bent out of column.  This is very bad for your IMF mainsail.  To fix this condition, loosen all the turnbuckles on the lower sidestays.  With the lower sidestays loose, check if the mast is in column.  If not, you have a bent mast, which is much harder to fix.  If it?s bent more than an inch out of column, replace the mast.  Tighten the lower sidestays evenly until they are taut and the mast is not bent out of column.  I like to use a Loo?s Rig Tension Gage for this adjustment.  If your mast was slightly bent, you may be able to tune the small bend out with aft lower shroud tension.  This adjustment is a bit artsy crafty, so have patience.  Fortunately, the Rhodes 22 hull and rig are so stout; that, once you get it adjusted, it should hold.  Now go sailing and see if your port and starboard tacking angles aren?t equal.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2023 3:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing

My Rhodes 2000/2017 points higher on a port tack 35?-45?.
On a starboard tack 50?-60? is all I can usually get to. This started after
I replaced the aft lower shroud on the starboard side.

I?m suspect that that mast is not vertically plumb. So I?m assuming the I
need to lengthen the post shrouds and shorten the starboard ones.

Just figured I would ask before I go through the exercise since I taped up
the shrouds at the base to prevent the jib sheets from getting hung up
there. Which always seemed to happened while I was solo sailing.
Appreciate the wisdom of you that have ?been there, done that?, got the
T-shirt.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island,MD



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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 07:23:42 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:23:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBC+gq=Z+2gK7_ACLUx9FMp_BLL6R+uRKYghvQmLV+xQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64e3493f.050a0220.df56.7c5e@mx.google.com>

Roger Pihlaja is the go to guy on this!Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V RespiteSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> Date: 8/20/23  6:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing My Rhodes 2000/2017 points higher on a port tack 35?-45?.On a starboard tack 50?-60? is all I can usually get to. This started afterI replaced the aft lower shroud on the starboard side.I?m suspect that that mast is not vertically plumb. So I?m assuming the Ineed to lengthen the post shrouds and shorten the starboard ones.Just figured I would ask before I go through the exercise since I taped upthe shrouds at the base to prevent the jib sheets from getting hung upthere. Which always seemed to happened while I was solo sailing.Appreciate the wisdom of you that have ?been there, done that?, got theT-shirt.Thanks,Bob GarrantSail la VieKent Island,MD-- null

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 14:40:41 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:40:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer manufacturers plate
References: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately Triad trailers is only able to provide information on trailers 1996-present.  SO.....
    Does anyone have a single axle trailer of mid 80's vintage, mines an '86,  who can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title. My plate is not readable (pic attached)

Thanks,
   Peter
***************************************
Thanks Michael,
 I sent an email as you suggested.

Peter     On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter, 
mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
Mike
s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY 

-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
Hi all,
  I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.  I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.  I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.  I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.

Thanks,
  Peter
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Aug 22 16:04:06 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer manufacturers plate
In-Reply-To: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0727FA48-6D87-49AA-A9E4-B818E463B652@stottarchitecture.com>

I bought a Triad Trailer from  fellow Rhodie On LI once about 8 years ago - it was a project trailer and had no title.  
I fixed it and made it usable, new wheels, axel, extension bar, etc -  and used it to launch  at the beginning of the season and retrieve in the fall. 
Last Fall I had to leave it at the ramp while I brought the boat to its mooring and I got a traffic ticket for an unregistered trailer. 
The DMV told me I could take it to a local weigh station and get a weight certificate - them bring that to the DMV to register it. 
I have yet to do that, but I will. 
Ric 
SV Dadventure 
HBNY  

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Aug 22, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately Triad trailers is only able to provide information on trailers 1996-present.  SO.....
>    Does anyone have a single axle trailer of mid 80's vintage, mines an '86,  who can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title. My plate is not readable (pic attached)
> 
> Thanks,
>   Peter
> ***************************************
> Thanks Michael,
> I sent an email as you suggested.
> 
> Peter     On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
> 
> Peter, 
> mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
> Mike
> s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY 
> 
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
> Hi all,
>  I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.  I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.  I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.  I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.
> 
> Thanks,
>  Peter
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 21:48:05 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 01:48:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer manufacturers plate
In-Reply-To: <0727FA48-6D87-49AA-A9E4-B818E463B652@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0727FA48-6D87-49AA-A9E4-B818E463B652@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <966091152.2930201.1692755285370@mail.yahoo.com>

 
That's about where I'm at, first in PA you need an official (police officer etc) to certify that the plate is
not readable, then a weight certification which may have to be completed by a mechanic (not sure about that one) then a form (and a check) to the state DMV. The part I'm not sure about is Gross weight and capacity which I think will be used to determine whether I need to have brakes installed. I plan to
Install brakes anyway, I'd just prefer to have the trailer registered first rather then spend the money, only to find out there's some other (possibly insurmountable) bureaucratic hurdle to overcome. If anyone has that info, I'd prefer to be forewarned.

Thanks,
 Peter     On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 04:04:17 PM EDT, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:  
 
 I bought a Triad Trailer from ?fellow Rhodie On LI once about 8 years ago - it was a project trailer and had no title. ?I fixed it and made it usable, new wheels, axel, extension bar, etc - ?and used it to launch ?at the beginning of the season and retrieve in the fall.?Last Fall I had to leave it at the ramp while I brought the boat to its mooring and I got a traffic ticket for an unregistered trailer.?The DMV told me I could take it to a local weigh station and get a weight certificate - them bring that to the DMV to register it.?I have yet to do that, but I will.?Ric?SV Dadventure?HBNY ?

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP?
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



On Aug 22, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
Unfortunately Triad trailers is only able to provide information on trailers 1996-present. ?SO.....
 ???Does anyone have a single axle trailer of mid 80's vintage, mines an '86, ?who can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate, ?or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like). ?I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title. My plate is not readable (pic attached)

Thanks,
 ??Peter
***************************************
Thanks Michael,
 I sent an email as you suggested.

Peter ????On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote: ?

 Peter, 
mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
Mike
s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY 

-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
Hi all,
 ?I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register. ?I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable. ?I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean. ?I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate, ?or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like). ?I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.

Thanks,
 ?Peter
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 22 22:17:57 2023
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 02:17:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer manufacturers plate
In-Reply-To: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438DF10545A5449004FE99AD91CA@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Peter
I have a photo of my trailer plate that is very readable. Unfortunately it is 1995. I would be glad to send directly to you; please provide me an email address 

Thx

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
blue66corvette at hotmail.com
469-955-9842

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 1:40 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately Triad trailers is only able to provide information on trailers 1996-present.  SO.....
>    Does anyone have a single axle trailer of mid 80's vintage, mines an '86,  who can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title. My plate is not readable (pic attached)
> 
> Thanks,
>   Peter
> ***************************************
> Thanks Michael,
> I sent an email as you suggested.
> 
> Peter     On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
> 
> Peter, 
> mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
> Mike
> s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY 
> 
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
> Hi all,
>  I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.  I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.  I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.  I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.
> 
> Thanks,
>  Peter
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Aug 23 05:06:37 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 05:06:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast orientation and pointing
In-Reply-To: <64e3493f.050a0220.df56.7c5e@mx.google.com>
References: <CAPi3tBC+gq=Z+2gK7_ACLUx9FMp_BLL6R+uRKYghvQmLV+xQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Roger
Thanks very much
I?ll check it out this weekend
Bob

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7:23 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger Pihlaja is the go to guy on this!Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V
> VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V RespiteSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an
> AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Date: 8/20/23  6:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about mast
> orientation and pointing My Rhodes 2000/2017 points higher on a port tack
> 35?-45?.On a starboard tack 50?-60? is all I can usually get to. This
> started afterI replaced the aft lower shroud on the starboard side.I?m
> suspect that that mast is not vertically plumb. So I?m assuming the Ineed
> to lengthen the post shrouds and shorten the starboard ones.Just figured I
> would ask before I go through the exercise since I taped upthe shrouds at
> the base to prevent the jib sheets from getting hung upthere. Which always
> seemed to happened while I was solo sailing.Appreciate the wisdom of you
> that have ?been there, done that?, got theT-shirt.Thanks,Bob GarrantSail la
> VieKent Island,MD-- null
>
-- 
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 06:46:12 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:46:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkV+Dnd0dcxcN4L4VaO2sfEZ+Qe3s0wwDxemWs85wBFTQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have sold a Baltic 39 and a J/30 on <www.sailboatlistings.com>. Very
reasonable!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 06:55:57 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnx90JY5PHqEtrKeSeSaxw-eqvSeivdU=axBEnRTaCeZQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I called up the company that makes the Jim Black hatches used by
General boats, they said that the outer flange was impossible to repair. I
tried 5200 long dry (the devil's glue) and it worked! Goop was used to
secure the gasket. A piece of 1/4" 16.75x16.75 white translucent plexiglass
was glued to the flange with West epoxy G-10 and voila a like new hatch.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 08:28:25 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 07:28:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnx90JY5PHqEtrKeSeSaxw-eqvSeivdU=axBEnRTaCeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnx90JY5PHqEtrKeSeSaxw-eqvSeivdU=axBEnRTaCeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVptzygO-Q1_cZazJKWp-rEjAAvhyH1vFqr8TD4cLtOaA@mail.gmail.com>

I love it when someone fixes the un fixable!
Chris Geankoplis
Xenos.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 5:56 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I called up the company that makes the Jim Black hatches used by
> General boats, they said that the outer flange was impossible to repair. I
> tried 5200 long dry (the devil's glue) and it worked! Goop was used to
> secure the gasket. A piece of 1/4" 16.75x16.75 white translucent plexiglass
> was glued to the flange with West epoxy G-10 and voila a like new hatch.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 13:01:43 2023
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 13:01:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVptzygO-Q1_cZazJKWp-rEjAAvhyH1vFqr8TD4cLtOaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnx90JY5PHqEtrKeSeSaxw-eqvSeivdU=axBEnRTaCeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiVptzygO-Q1_cZazJKWp-rEjAAvhyH1vFqr8TD4cLtOaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+BbobMEQsyf5aO-Dxa7Apn7Lcw60ytd_QpCTiHFUEWueQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have photos? I see some corner cracks starting to form in mine but
not sure if same.   And I don?t understand why you needed plexiglass, was
the original also cracked?  I need help to understand what you did and then
what I may need to do.
Patrick


On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 8:28 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I love it when someone fixes the un fixable!
> Chris Geankoplis
> Xenos.
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 5:56 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > When I called up the company that makes the Jim Black hatches used by
> > General boats, they said that the outer flange was impossible to repair.
> I
> > tried 5200 long dry (the devil's glue) and it worked! Goop was used to
> > secure the gasket. A piece of 1/4" 16.75x16.75 white translucent
> plexiglass
> > was glued to the flange with West epoxy G-10 and voila a like new hatch.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 12:54:06 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:54:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch repair
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=HKToMhAo9vRgugTdQxrwbSB=cVx_MuXiaq5s4qeMB6g@mail.gmail.com>

I used the 5200 on one side masked and then after a week or so flipped
it,masked and filled in other side. Yes the glasswas broken also. So I used
plexi on the top of the flange.  After the G-10, I masked and used white
Life Seal for cosmetics.
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 14:51:09 -0400
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www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 16:09:05 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:09:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer manufacturers plate
In-Reply-To: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1170767527.2770872.1692729641730@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F4A514BA-CE54-4AE1-A929-A2CF5E5D1FED@gmail.com>

Peter,

My trailer is a Trailmaster single-axle trailer, vintage 1985, according to the packet of information that came with my boat (I bought the boat and trailer in 2015).  I?ll attach a photocopy of a weight certificate when it was weighed in 2011.  I can?t vouch for the accuracy of this information, as I did not personally have it weighed (I didn?t own the boat then); all I can say is that this sheet was in the boat?s documentation.  I hope it?s of use.

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

?


> On Aug 22, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately Triad trailers is only able to provide information on trailers 1996-present.  SO.....
>    Does anyone have a single axle trailer of mid 80's vintage, mines an '86,  who can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title. My plate is not readable (pic attached)
> 
> Thanks,
>   Peter
> ***************************************
> Thanks Michael,
> I sent an email as you suggested.
> 
> Peter     On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 09:51:21 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:  
> 
> Peter, 
> mike at triadtrailers.com will be able to provide the needed info and a replacement label.
> Mike
> s/v '91 Wind Lass, Nissequogue River, NY 
> 
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/10/23 9:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 80's Triad trailer manufacturers plate 
> Hi all,
>  I have an '80's vintage Triad trailer (painted steel, not galvanized) that I need to register.  I have a title, but unfortunately the manufacturers plate on the trailer is not readable.  I'm attaching a picture of my plate so you can see what I mean.  I'm wondering if anyone has a single axle trailer of that vintage (mid 80's, mines an '86) and can tell me the capacity and gross weight figures that should be on the plate,  or better yet, provide a readable picture of your plate (feel free to obscure the serial # if you like).  I need this info to register and it does not appear on the title.
> 
> Thanks,
>  Peter
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 16:18:04 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:18:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=JJgekTrvfEaP4cZB18ghOi+GhQ_jM5YabuqWkHCRexA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael.
It was $3000.00 for a Trident 4 Wheel traitor with 2 new tires and s.s.
disc surge brakes.  I hope they didn't rip me off, but they are my sons'a
bitches (only game in town) and I'm sticking with them!
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
732-236-1368

From thyatt at mica.edu  Wed Aug 30 21:27:47 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 21:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailpro 20 or 25" shaft?
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2KuFD8ZOvpD43D0zfLCKpqTpV8YDr+Bjh=hr7XaKGmD9w@mail.gmail.com>

I have a chance to purchase a barely used Tohatsu Sailpro for a good price.
Only problem is, it has a 25" shaft. I'm asking those of you who have way
more experience with the Rhodes 22 than I do - will it be a mistake to
mount a motor with an extra long shaft on the Rhodes?

I am also in the market for a new motor bracket/mount so... could the
type of mount I buy allow me to accommodate the longer shaft?

I hate to pass up such a good deal but I absolutely don't want to buy a
motor that won't be suitable for the Rhodes I am rebuilding.

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
s/v Eliza Jane

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 21:47:44 2023
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 21:47:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailpro 20 or 25" shaft?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2KuFD8ZOvpD43D0zfLCKpqTpV8YDr+Bjh=hr7XaKGmD9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2KuFD8ZOvpD43D0zfLCKpqTpV8YDr+Bjh=hr7XaKGmD9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D36F55A-35C7-478B-9A30-CFE988EAF056@gmail.com>

I can?t speak specifically to the mounting, which I got to assume is standard transom type clamping. I?ve been using a Yamaha 9.9, 25? since 2002, which replaced a Merc 20?. It gives me more bite in all wave action, especially in boat wakes, where the Merc cavitated often. I see no downside where I sail, coastal ocean and open bay.

Jay Friedland
S/V Wanderlust, ?97 

> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a chance to purchase a barely used Tohatsu Sailpro for a good price.
> Only problem is, it has a 25" shaft. I'm asking those of you who have way
> more experience with the Rhodes 22 than I do - will it be a mistake to
> mount a motor with an extra long shaft on the Rhodes?
> 
> I am also in the market for a new motor bracket/mount so... could the
> type of mount I buy allow me to accommodate the longer shaft?
> 
> I hate to pass up such a good deal but I absolutely don't want to buy a
> motor that won't be suitable for the Rhodes I am rebuilding.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> s/v Eliza Jane


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 23:15:18 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 03:15:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] portlight sealant
References: <458583388.2363764.1693451718897.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458583388.2363764.1693451718897@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,? ? I'm looking for opinions.? ?I need to re-seat one of my (leaky) portlights.? Beckson calls for a silicone sealant.? can I just get a silicone caulk from Home Depot, or is there a Marine sealant that is more appropriate?
Thanks,? ?Peter

From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 07:27:45 2023
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailpro 20 or 25" shaft?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2KuFD8ZOvpD43D0zfLCKpqTpV8YDr+Bjh=hr7XaKGmD9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2KuFD8ZOvpD43D0zfLCKpqTpV8YDr+Bjh=hr7XaKGmD9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjdYSG93cAnr0XruVnu8hYv8+SArYoXdN0O6QOLzia8r7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Buy the 25? outboard. I have had that on 2 Rhodes 22s & it is the best
length for the boat. I sail around the Boston harbor islands & some
offshore up & down the New England coast. I also had a 15? shaft outboard
on my 1st Rhodes. I lowered the mount by 3? and everyone sat on the port
side while motoring. It worked but was no nearly as good as the 25?.

Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA


On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 9:28 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have a chance to purchase a barely used Tohatsu Sailpro for a good price.
> Only problem is, it has a 25" shaft. I'm asking those of you who have way
> more experience with the Rhodes 22 than I do - will it be a mistake to
> mount a motor with an extra long shaft on the Rhodes?
>
> I am also in the market for a new motor bracket/mount so... could the
> type of mount I buy allow me to accommodate the longer shaft?
>
> I hate to pass up such a good deal but I absolutely don't want to buy a
> motor that won't be suitable for the Rhodes I am rebuilding.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> s/v Eliza Jane
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 07:57:52 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:57:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] portlight sealant
In-Reply-To: <458583388.2363764.1693451718897@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64f08043.0c0a0220.181eb.0fc4@mx.google.com>

Do not use hardware store Caulk or sealants. Practical Sailor has a great article on testing they did some years ago. It is available in their archives. If you don't subscribe,? you should.Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/30/23  11:15 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] portlight sealant Hi All,? ? I'm looking for opinions.? ?I need to re-seat one of my (leaky) portlights.? Beckson calls for a silicone sealant.? can I just get a silicone caulk from Home Depot, or is there a Marine sealant that is more appropriate?Thanks,? ?Peter

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 31 12:31:21 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] portlight sealant
In-Reply-To: <64f08043.0c0a0220.181eb.0fc4@mx.google.com>
References: <458583388.2363764.1693451718897@mail.yahoo.com>
 <64f08043.0c0a0220.181eb.0fc4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <616311721.2558024.1693499481468@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Thanks Joe, I'll look that up.

Peter     On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 07:57:57 AM EDT, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Do not use hardware store Caulk or sealants. Practical Sailor has a great article on testing they did some years ago. It is available in their archives. If you don't subscribe,? you should.
Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 8/30/23 11:15 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] portlight sealant 
Hi All,? ? I'm looking for opinions.? ?I need to re-seat one of my (leaky) portlights.? Beckson calls for a silicone sealant.? can I just get a silicone caulk from Home Depot, or is there a Marine sealant that is more appropriate?
Thanks,? ?Peter
  

From davidmberg at mac.com  Thu Aug 31 14:25:33 2023
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
Message-ID: <00d401d9dc38$883cde30$98b69a90$@mac.com>

Rhodies,

 

I recently liberated my mast step tabernacle from the deck while (not)
raising the mast. At first I was perplexed that the machine screws pulled
right out. After further review I've learned that this is by design. I've
reviewed the post that I could find related to the repair, and called West
Systems for their take. I'm still left wondering which way to go. I'm
wondering if anyone has anything to add. 

 

I was going to fill the cleaned and chamfered holes with thickened epoxy
(System 105/205), with no toothpicks or wood shavings. Then drill and tap
the semi-cured epoxy for the 1"-20 machine screws. The questions I had
regarding this method were:

 

1)      Why do I need wood shavings or toothpicks? I don't plan to take the
screws out for any reason.

2)      If I let the epoxy set up (but not cure) would I be able to drill
and tap it?

3)      How long would I let it set up before drilling? It seems form my
research that drilling and tapping fully-cured epoxy is very difficult.

4)      If using the epoxy with shavings or toothpicks what is the order and
timing of the re-assembly?

 

After talking to West Systems, I think I'm leaning towards what they said to
do:

 

1)      Clean out any old material 

2)      Oversize the holes to make room for the epoxy between the machine
screws and the existing deck

3)      Chamfer the top of the holes at the deck

4)      Wet out the holes and screws with un-thickened epoxy

5)      Thicken the epoxy with 406 or 410

6)      Fill the holes with thickened epoxy

7)      Set the tabernacle plate and insert the 1"-20 machine screws 

8)      Clean off the excess epoxy that is displaced from inserting the
screws

9)      Tape the screw heads down to prevent the screws lifting from
hydraulic pressure.

10)   Let it cure and go sailing

 

With the solid (non-cored) deck, there should be no need to use any butyl or
sealant. 

 

Looking for any other advice or opinions anyone may have on the topic.

 

David Berg

Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003 

Minneapolis

 

 

>From Graham Stewart July 2020

Chris:  If the gelcoat around the holes is mearly broken up a bit you should

be able to remove anything that is loose and fill it with the thickened

epoxy when you fill the holes. Given that the holes are covered with the

mast step anyway, you don't need to worry about the exposed epoxy. Epoxy

exposed to sunlight degrades quickly. I really like the idea of using

slivers of wood in the hole with the epoxy. I wish I had thought to do that.

I would not pack it hard with the wood slivers - maybe 50% wood and the rest

epoxy.

If the screw is inserted into the epoxy I see no reason or benefit from

removing the screws to inspect the holes. That might cause more problems

than it solves. One thing you should note is that screws driven into uncured

epoxy can be very difficult to remove and it is quite easy to strip the head

or even break it off. The wood slivers should help but if the screw is hard

to remove put a soldering iron on the head for a while. That softens the

epoxy and it will come out easily.

 

If this event reoccurs it is likely that the screw will pull out the epoxy

plug since it is much tougher than the core material, Hopefully this does

not happen very often but if it does the fix remains the same. 

 

Graham Stewart

Agile, Rodes 22, 1976

Kingston Ontario

 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 16:40:23 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 20:40:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
In-Reply-To: <00d401d9dc38$883cde30$98b69a90$@mac.com>
References: <00d401d9dc38$883cde30$98b69a90$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1693512808307.4174062512.100312132@gmail.com>

David:


I would go with the advice from West. I have had to do this in the past and 
did pretty much what the West advisors suggested to you with a couple of 
exceptions that you might want to consider:


I used wood screws rather than machine screws and inserted them when the 
epoxy had set but before it cured.  At this stage the epoxy feels firm but 
you can still mark it with your fingernail. You can also tighten the screw 
down firmly but don't tighten it so much that you tear out the epoxy. If 
the wood core is solid and you have the depth, you can use screws that are 
longer than the hole so that the end grabs into the core material. I would 
be a bit concerned that without being able to fasten the bolt down and 
relying only on tape to hold it in place against the hydraulic pressure, 
the plate might not be held securely.


Depending on how hot it is the epoxy usually reaches the solid stage in a 
few hours. I would not go beyond 24 hours if you can avoid it. If you wait 
until the epoxy is cured it can be difficult to drill the pilot hole 
without the bit wandering into the softer core material. However, If you  
wait too long and need to drill into cured epoxy use a brad point bit to 
keep the bit aligned. There is no hydraulic pressure to contend with using 
this method. I don't think that there is any advantage to using machine 
screws rather than regular screws in this situation.


In any event, the worst that can happen is that you just drill it out and 
try again so I wouldn't worry about it.


Sometimes it can be very difficult to remove a screw once the epoxy has set 
and it is quite possible to break the screw or strip the head. The solution 
is to heat the screw with a soldering iron before backing it out.


Graham Stewart
Rhodes 76


On Thursday, August 31, 2023 2:25:33 PM (-04:00), DAVID BERG via 
Rhodes22-list wrote:



 > Rhodies,

 >

 >

 >

 > I recently liberated my mast step tabernacle from the deck while (not)

 > raising the mast. At first I was perplexed that the machine screws 
pulled

 > right out. After further review I've learned that this is by design. 
I've

 > reviewed the post that I could find related to the repair, and called 
West

 > Systems for their take. I'm still left wondering which way to go. I'm

 > wondering if anyone has anything to add.

 >

 >

 >

 > I was going to fill the cleaned and chamfered holes with thickened epoxy

 > (System 105/205), with no toothpicks or wood shavings. Then drill and 
tap

 > the semi-cured epoxy for the 1"-20 machine screws. The questions I had

 > regarding this method were:

 >

 >

 >

 > 1) Why do I need wood shavings or toothpicks? I don't plan to take the

 > screws out for any reason.

 >

 > 2) If I let the epoxy set up (but not cure) would I be able to drill

 > and tap it?

 >

 > 3) How long would I let it set up before drilling? It seems form my

 > research that drilling and tapping fully-cured epoxy is very difficult.

 >

 > 4) If using the epoxy with shavings or toothpicks what is the order and

 > timing of the re-assembly?

 >

 >

 >

 > After talking to West Systems, I think I'm leaning towards what they 
said to

 > do:

 >

 >

 >

 > 1) Clean out any old material

 >

 > 2) Oversize the holes to make room for the epoxy between the machine

 > screws and the existing deck

 >

 > 3) Chamfer the top of the holes at the deck

 >

 > 4) Wet out the holes and screws with un-thickened epoxy

 >

 > 5) Thicken the epoxy with 406 or 410

 >

 > 6) Fill the holes with thickened epoxy

 >

 > 7) Set the tabernacle plate and insert the 1"-20 machine screws

 >

 > 8) Clean off the excess epoxy that is displaced from inserting the

 > screws

 >

 > 9) Tape the screw heads down to prevent the screws lifting from

 > hydraulic pressure.

 >

 > 10) Let it cure and go sailing

 >

 >

 >

 > With the solid (non-cored) deck, there should be no need to use any 
butyl or

 > sealant.

 >

 >

 >

 > Looking for any other advice or opinions anyone may have on the topic.

 >

 >

 >

 > David Berg

 >

 > Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003

 >

 > Minneapolis

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > From Graham Stewart July 2020

 >

 > Chris: If the gelcoat around the holes is mearly broken up a bit you 
should

 >

 > be able to remove anything that is loose and fill it with the thickened

 >

 > epoxy when you fill the holes. Given that the holes are covered with the

 >

 > mast step anyway, you don't need to worry about the exposed epoxy. Epoxy

 >

 > exposed to sunlight degrades quickly. I really like the idea of using

 >

 > slivers of wood in the hole with the epoxy. I wish I had thought to do 
that.

 >

 > I would not pack it hard with the wood slivers - maybe 50% wood and the 
rest

 >

 > epoxy.

 >

 > If the screw is inserted into the epoxy I see no reason or benefit from

 >

 > removing the screws to inspect the holes. That might cause more problems

 >

 > than it solves. One thing you should note is that screws driven into 
uncured

 >

 > epoxy can be very difficult to remove and it is quite easy to strip the 
head

 >

 > or even break it off. The wood slivers should help but if the screw is 
hard

 >

 > to remove put a soldering iron on the head for a while. That softens the

 >

 > epoxy and it will come out easily.

 >

 >

 >

 > If this event reoccurs it is likely that the screw will pull out the 
epoxy

 >

 > plug since it is much tougher than the core material, Hopefully this 
does

 >

 > not happen very often but if it does the fix remains the same.

 >

 >

 >

 > Graham Stewart

 >

 > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976

 >

 > Kingston Ontario

 >

 >

 >

 >


-- 
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Aug 31 16:46:30 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:46:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
Message-ID: <E1qboYg-00ERwK-Rd@s152.servername.online>

David,

I was halfway through your post when I started thinking that I needed to reply recommending _against_ toothpicks and/or wood shavings.  Having finished the post, I'll just vote in favor of doing what the West Systems guys suggested.  I've never known a project that went far off track by following a manufacturer's recommendations.

That said, I'm curious as to what the expectation is about the possibility of non-destructively removing the mast step at some point in the future.    

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)