From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Dec  1 16:57:31 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 16:57:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2K-MedODHHgbrsH95azZ5JwaZhjxDfWTtwEN5uovfKctA@mail.gmail.com>

My 1978 Rhodes has the old-style forward windows that collect rainwater and
collect two puddles of water in the slanted wells. I know that some of  the
reconditioned boats have non-opening windows that drain off the water that
falls on the cabin top. Does anyone know the model and source of these
windows? I'm thinking of adding a hatch for ventilation and swapping out
these windows for something that doesn't collect water.

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Middle River, MD

From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Dec  1 17:27:23 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 22:27:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
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A friend of mine and I have been reworking a 1986 that has turned into quite a project. Our portals are the same as you describe. We have noticed that there are snaps screwed around each window, so the previous owner must have had covers of some type to keep that water from puddling. We will do the same as soon as it gets to the top of our to do list. I also removed the seals, cleaned them, and applied a little silicone grease. They now barely leak at all. I place a couple 5 gal paint can lids under them as insurance. That would be much less expensive and way less of a hassle if it suits your purposes.
Good luck
Barry Ruehlen
Perserverance, 1986
St. James City, Fl

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 4:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22

My 1978 Rhodes has the old-style forward windows that collect rainwater and
collect two puddles of water in the slanted wells. I know that some of  the
reconditioned boats have non-opening windows that drain off the water that
falls on the cabin top. Does anyone know the model and source of these
windows? I'm thinking of adding a hatch for ventilation and swapping out
these windows for something that doesn't collect water.

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Middle River, MD

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Dec  1 22:03:18 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 22:03:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2K-MedODHHgbrsH95azZ5JwaZhjxDfWTtwEN5uovfKctA@mail.gmail.com>
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Beckson Marine
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 5:52?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?My 1978 Rhodes has the old-style forward windows that collect rainwater and
> collect two puddles of water in the slanted wells. I know that some of  the
> reconditioned boats have non-opening windows that drain off the water that
> falls on the cabin top. Does anyone know the model and source of these
> windows? I'm thinking of adding a hatch for ventilation and swapping out
> these windows for something that doesn't collect water.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Dec  2 08:49:46 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 13:49:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2K-MedODHHgbrsH95azZ5JwaZhjxDfWTtwEN5uovfKctA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2K-MedODHHgbrsH95azZ5JwaZhjxDfWTtwEN5uovfKctA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tom,

My Rhodes 22 is also a 1978 and it has the slanted opening ports on the front of the cabin doghouse.  It sounds like your boat is missing a pair of critical pieces of canvas meant to prevent the accumulation of rainwater in the ports.  Take a look at the attached photo of my boat:

[cid:image002.png at 01DA24FD.37A97830]
Note the little tube of blue rolled up canvas over the port side front port.  That is the canvas port cover (it?s actually made of Sunbrella acrylic fabric), in this picture rolled up and secured with a built-in strap and snap so the port can be opened for ventilation and light.  Underway or in foul weather, the canvas port cover is unrolled to cover the entire port.  The port cover also has provision for creating an arch in the bottom with a couple of extra snaps.  These enable the port cover to form an ?air scoop? to help ventilate the cabin even when its raining.  Finally, the canvas port cover protects the port from UV sun degradation.

My boat came with these canvas port covers.  Over the years, sun exposure killed them and I?ve had to replace them.  But, these little pieces of canvas are a lot cheaper/easier to replace vs the entire port or installing new ports on the top of the cabin doghouse.  Any competent canvas shop should be able to build you a set of these canvas port covers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978
Sanford, MI
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From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22

My 1978 Rhodes has the old-style forward windows that collect rainwater and
collect two puddles of water in the slanted wells. I know that some of  the
reconditioned boats have non-opening windows that drain off the water that
falls on the cabin top. Does anyone know the model and source of these
windows? I'm thinking of adding a hatch for ventilation and swapping out
these windows for something that doesn't collect water.

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Middle River, MD

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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  2 19:15:00 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 00:15:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
References: <2084781362.566082.1701562500264.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Barry,? ? I replaced the seals on my '86 Rhodes this last summer.? I suspect they had never been replaced before.? It's a bit of a pain to get them to seat properly, but once done my windows seal perfectly.? I often find the outside well full of water, there's never a drop inside.

From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Dec  2 20:43:11 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 01:43:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
In-Reply-To: <2084781362.566082.1701562500264@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2084781362.566082.1701562500264.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2084781362.566082.1701562500264@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks Peter.
 Our current leak issue is very minimal and I believe when we get around to having covers made, we should be golden. Even though the silicon grease is mostly doing the trick, I'll look for replacement seals as well. Our list is long. We bought our R22 in June of 2022. I thought the cabin just needed a little carpentry and tlc. My arena. Turned out that she had termites and we had to pull all "furniture" out as well as the cabin deck. Now we could see dry rotted stringers. I repaired the stringers and found the cockpit deck was soft. We cut it out and replaced the core and non skid. Then the Hurricane Ian beat the hull a bit, and floated her off the trailer and broke the center board. The list goes on, but we are now putting the cabin back together, on the last coat of vivid red hull paint, and repairing gel coat areas. I have been lurking on this site from the beginning. I'm one of the people that recently got chastised for not stating our craft name and hailing port. We didn't have a name yet. I wanted to call it the Red Onion because every layer we pealed off reveled another. We have now settled on "Perseverance." It's got a great personal ring and seams fitting. By the way thanks to all that have slipped me helpful information along the way. I know Todd has helped on a couple issues. Great group and the data base is very helpful.
Best,
BARRY
s/v Perserverance (formally Crimson Cloud)
St James City, Fl.
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 7:15 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22

Barry,    I replaced the seals on my '86 Rhodes this last summer.  I suspect they had never been replaced before.  It's a bit of a pain to get them to seat properly, but once done my windows seal perfectly.  I often find the outside well full of water, there's never a drop inside.

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 11:14:50 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 16:14:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
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References: <2084781362.566082.1701562500264.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2084781362.566082.1701562500264@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Ouch!? Perseverance seems like a VERY appropriate name.? I'm still searching for a name.? When I purchased my boat last year the seller was adamant that she was a "dry" boat, except for a leak at one of those opening windows.? It seems he was stowing the table top and accidentally hit one of the plastic window dogs which broke off and created the leak.? ?I was able to 3d print a fix which worked ok, but then one of the other dogs just crumbled in my hand as I was loosening it.? At that point I realized that the seals were so old that the dog's were getting over tightened to the point that they simply failed altogether.? Another 3d printed dog and new seals completely solved the problem....then I realized that one of the non-opening windows had a leak.? That's not a difficult fix, but it is a pain in the rear job!? I'm happy to report that now (and for now) I've a dry boat.
Cheers,? ? Peter
    On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 08:43:14 PM EST, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:  
 
 Thanks Peter.?Our current leak issue is very minimal and I believe when we get around to having covers made, we should be golden. Even though the silicon grease is mostly doing the trick, I'll look for replacement seals as well. Our list is long. We bought our R22 in June of 2022. I thought the cabin just needed a little carpentry and tlc. My arena. Turned out that she had termites and we had to pull all "furniture" out as well as the cabin deck. Now we could see dry rotted stringers. I repaired the stringers and found the cockpit deck was soft. We cut it out and replaced the core and non skid. Then the Hurricane Ian beat the hull a bit, and floated her off the trailer and broke the center board. The list goes on, but we are now putting the cabin back together, on the last coat of vivid red hull paint, and repairing gel coat areas. I have been lurking on this site from the beginning. I'm one of the people that recently got chastised for not stating our craft name and hailing port. We didn't have a name yet. I wanted to call it the Red Onion because every layer we pealed off reveled another. We have now settled on "Perseverance." It's got a great personal ring and seams fitting. By the way thanks to all that have slipped me helpful information along the way. I know Todd has helped on a couple issues. Great group and the data base is very helpful.Best,BARRYs/v Perserverance (formally Crimson Cloud)St James City, Fl.From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 7:15 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22?Barry,? ? I replaced the seals on my '86 Rhodes this last summer.? I suspect they had never been replaced before.? It's a bit of a pain to get them to seat properly, but once done my windows seal perfectly.? I often find the outside well full of water, there's never a drop inside.
  

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 11:32:06 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
References: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997@mail.yahoo.com>

Roger,? ? Those port covers sound like just the thing to save me the trouble of draining the wells when I visit my boat after it rains (ie. every weekend all summer long).? If it's not too much trouble, could you get some more photos of them in action once we get back into sailing season.? I'd love to see how the scoop function works so I can make (or have made) a set of my own.
Thanks (again)? ? ?Peter.
Ps.? I epoxied my tiller handle yesterday per your instructions and will give it a week or two under clamps to set up.? So far everything went very smoothly.? Fingers crossed.

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Dec  3 12:03:26 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 12:03:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
In-Reply-To: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1100535302.664993.1701621126997@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f2f6019-6820-416d-98cb-437016f9c910@atlanticbb.net>

Here are the port covers on Fretless, taken some years ago. They are in 
their flat cover position. You can just see a fiberglass batten sticking 
out from under the lower edge. What looks like a snap in the middle of 
the lower edge is actually a rivet holding the batten to the cloth. What 
you can't see is a second set of snap posts just inboard of the posts at 
the lower corners of the cover. When the covers are in use as a 
mini-scoop for air with the ports open, the fiberglass batten is arched 
between these two posts and the cloth cover snapped down to these inner 
posts to hold it in place. We always said they looked like arched 
eyebrows but unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture. Hope this is helpful.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246 Tara

On 12/3/2023 11:32 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Roger,? ? Those port covers sound like just the thing to save me the trouble of draining the wells when I visit my boat after it rains (ie. every weekend all summer long).? If it's not too much trouble, could you get some more photos of them in action once we get back into sailing season.? I'd love to see how the scoop function works so I can make (or have made) a set of my own.
> Thanks (again)? ? ?Peter.
> Ps.? I epoxied my tiller handle yesterday per your instructions and will give it a week or two under clamps to set up.? So far everything went very smoothly.? Fingers crossed.


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Dec  3 12:05:39 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 12:05:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22 (oops here's the photo)
In-Reply-To: <9f2f6019-6820-416d-98cb-437016f9c910@atlanticbb.net>
References: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1100535302.664993.1701621126997@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9f2f6019-6820-416d-98cb-437016f9c910@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <11f4a4c3-e6cf-426e-b729-0ad73d723115@atlanticbb.net>



On 12/3/2023 12:03 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Here are the port covers on Fretless, taken some years ago. They are 
> in their flat cover position. You can just see a fiberglass batten 
> sticking out from under the lower edge. What looks like a snap in the 
> middle of the lower edge is actually a rivet holding the batten to the 
> cloth. What you can't see is a second set of snap posts just inboard 
> of the posts at the lower corners of the cover. When the covers are in 
> use as a mini-scoop for air with the ports open, the fiberglass batten 
> is arched between these two posts and the cloth cover snapped down to 
> these inner posts to hold it in place. We always said they looked like 
> arched eyebrows but unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture. Hope 
> this is helpful.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246 Tara
>
> On 12/3/2023 11:32 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> Roger,? ? Those port covers sound like just the thing to save me the 
>> trouble of draining the wells when I visit my boat after it rains 
>> (ie. every weekend all summer long).? If it's not too much trouble, 
>> could you get some more photos of them in action once we get back 
>> into sailing season. I'd love to see how the scoop function works so 
>> I can make (or have made) a set of my own.
>> Thanks (again)? ? ?Peter.
>> Ps.? I epoxied my tiller handle yesterday per your instructions and 
>> will give it a week or two under clamps to set up.? So far everything 
>> went very smoothly.? Fingers crossed.
>
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 15:55:54 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:55:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward windows on R22
In-Reply-To: <9f2f6019-6820-416d-98cb-437016f9c910@atlanticbb.net>
References: <1100535302.664993.1701621126997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Mary Lou,? ? Thanks for the photo and detailed description.? I think I see how these are supposed to work.? I'll have to take a close look at my boat in the spring, I might even be able to make my own.
Peter
    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:03:30 PM EST, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:  
 
 Here are the port covers on Fretless, taken some years ago. They are in 
their flat cover position. You can just see a fiberglass batten sticking 
out from under the lower edge. What looks like a snap in the middle of 
the lower edge is actually a rivet holding the batten to the cloth. What 
you can't see is a second set of snap posts just inboard of the posts at 
the lower corners of the cover. When the covers are in use as a 
mini-scoop for air with the ports open, the fiberglass batten is arched 
between these two posts and the cloth cover snapped down to these inner 
posts to hold it in place. We always said they looked like arched 
eyebrows but unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture. Hope this is helpful.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246 Tara

On 12/3/2023 11:32 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Roger,? ? Those port covers sound like just the thing to save me the trouble of draining the wells when I visit my boat after it rains (ie. every weekend all summer long).? If it's not too much trouble, could you get some more photos of them in action once we get back into sailing season.? I'd love to see how the scoop function works so I can make (or have made) a set of my own.
> Thanks (again)? ? ?Peter.
> Ps.? I epoxied my tiller handle yesterday per your instructions and will give it a week or two under clamps to set up.? So far everything went very smoothly.? Fingers crossed.

  

From thyatt at mica.edu  Sun Dec  3 20:14:06 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>

A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.

Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
full-on covers.

Any thoughts?

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Middle River, MD

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Dec  3 20:39:05 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490648ba-68bd-4a36-a97b-795300067703@atlanticbb.net>

We always stored Fretless on the hard with the mast down. We made a PVC 
frame to support a tarp so the mast, the spreaders and the stays weren't 
involved. We padded places that might rub with scrap pieces of carpet 
and tied the tarp down so it was taut, shed rain and snow and didn't 
flap much in the wind.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 12/3/2023 8:14 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>
> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> full-on covers.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun Dec  3 21:01:48 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:01:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ATZ9KFwB9jqPPu2dEPoX=Mnz1FpJajoiKaxQ+sZ9+tuRg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure how far they service beyond New England, but in Boston it's
common to see custom boat covers by these guys in New Haven, CT:
https://fairclough.com/  Expect to pay them well into four figures.

Mark Whipple

2000 R22 *When and If*
Boston, MA

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:14?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>
> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> full-on covers.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Dec  3 21:18:30 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 18:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
Message-ID: <E1r9yXW-001jPk-1H@s152.servername.online>

I put the mast down, use it as a ridge pole, and cover the boat with a tarp.  I don't use any additional structure for support.  The tarp is attached to the trailer using every grommet to keep it tight and spread the load.  Cost is in the low three figures.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988,2016)

> On 2023-12-03, at 21:01:48 EST, Mark Whipple wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how far they service beyond New England, but in Boston it's common 
> to see custom boat covers by these guys in New Haven, CT: <a 
> href="https://fairclough.com/">https://fairclough.com/</a>  Expect to pay them 
> well into four figures. 
> 
> Mark Whipple
> 
> 2000 R22 *When and If*
> Boston, MA
> 
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 22:06:51 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:06:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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Here are photos of Respite covered for the winter here in Virginia. You're correct, with all the shrouds on the Rhodes, you'll need a pretty large bank account to cover it with the mast stepped. It is much more practical to haul the boat and lower the mast. A good 20 X 30 tarp and a bunch of bungee work fine.

I made a boom tent out of sunbrella for in season protection. This is pretty much limited to the length of the boom. Helps to keep dew and debris out of cockpit.

Joe Dempsey
Ex-Rhodes 22
Trojan 42
M V Voyager
Deltaville VA

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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22

We always stored Fretless on the hard with the mast down. We made a PVC
frame to support a tarp so the mast, the spreaders and the stays weren't
involved. We padded places that might rub with scrap pieces of carpet
and tied the tarp down so it was taut, shed rain and snow and didn't
flap much in the wind.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 12/3/2023 8:14 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>
> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> full-on covers.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 22:35:10 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:35:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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If you have the space, here is another option that has worked well for me
over the last 15 years - a picture is attached.
I erected a 24' x 12'  portable carport that stays in my yard year round.
Over the years I purchased a better cover and reinforced the structure
somewhat using galvanized conduit. Even so I do not let significant snow
loads accumulate. Obviously I remove the mast and then just back the boat
into the shelter and i'm done. When the boat is in the water I store the
trailer there and use it for odd jobs like painting.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:14?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>
> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> full-on covers.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Dec  4 06:56:23 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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Sure. 
Drop the mast  and lash it to the bow pulpit and stern cradle then put a tarp over it. I have used various types over the years but the clear poly, 30? x 40? works best. It has a mesh reinforcement. It?s not 30 x 40? finished and fits well. I cover the mast with a piece of old tarp to reduce friction over the mast.   I use plastic clamps from Hope depot to seal the front and back. 
I jack the front of the mast up a bit further on a wood stand lashed down to the deck. I do this to have more room under the tarp to work, but it?s not necessary.  A photo is attached I hope. 
Ric sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays NY 

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> On Dec 3, 2023, at 10:07?PM, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Here are photos of Respite covered for the winter here in Virginia. You're correct, with all the shrouds on the Rhodes, you'll need a pretty large bank account to cover it with the mast stepped. It is much more practical to haul the boat and lower the mast. A good 20 X 30 tarp and a bunch of bungee work fine.
> 
> I made a boom tent out of sunbrella for in season protection. This is pretty much limited to the length of the boom. Helps to keep dew and debris out of cockpit.
> 
> Joe Dempsey
> Ex-Rhodes 22
> Trojan 42
> M V Voyager
> Deltaville VA
> 
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> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 8:39:05 PM
> To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
> 
> We always stored Fretless on the hard with the mast down. We made a PVC
> frame to support a tarp so the mast, the spreaders and the stays weren't
> involved. We padded places that might rub with scrap pieces of carpet
> and tied the tarp down so it was taut, shed rain and snow and didn't
> flap much in the wind.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
>> On 12/3/2023 8:14 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>> 
>> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
>> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
>> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
>> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
>> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
>> full-on covers.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> Middle River, MD
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From bmg18 at me.com  Mon Dec  4 20:28:18 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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Tom, I had a boat cover made a number of years ago by The Canvas Store in Huntington LI. It never fit quite right and the owner, who promised to make the required repairs, never did.  Their customer service was terrible and, I believe, the owner made a number of misrepresentations.  Having said that, I managed to use it for a couple of years before I went back to shrinkwrapping.  I have the cover (it came in 3 pieces) and, notwithstanding the $2000 I spent on it, am happy to pass it on to the first taker for the cost of shipping.  Someone who is a little handy can probably improve it significantly.  If interested, you can respond to my email off the List.

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach
Shelter Island NY

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:14?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
> 
> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> full-on covers.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 14:42:18 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 14:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Pull - 1DEC23
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Haul Out and Powerwash time at Hampton Marine in Hampton, VA !  Heavy
growth along the leading edege of the centerboard.  That is my 5th season
for the bottom paint.  Time to redo it.

Mike Corley
s/v Ranger
99 Rhodes
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  5 16:05:42 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 16:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Pull - 1DEC23
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I lived 2.5 miles from Hampton Marine!  But in 1981. 

Larry
Odessa FL
86 Rhodes


> On Dec 5, 2023, at 2:42?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Haul Out and Powerwash time at Hampton Marine in Hampton, VA !  Heavy
> growth along the leading edege of the centerboard.  That is my 5th season
> for the bottom paint.  Time to redo it.
> 
> Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger
> 99 Rhodes
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 17:26:57 2023
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 14:26:57 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Pull - 1DEC23
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Mike,
Is that original factory paint on your CB?

My boat(s) are in Southern Shores NC (~Kitty Hawk).  Barnacles can be
pretty bad pretty fast based on the power boat experience I saw last
summer.  While I was in Denver I built a Gantry to lift the front of the
rhodes and pulled the trailer out and applied bottom paint easily but did
not get up into the CB trunk or on the CB.  I supposed most marine growth
needs sunlight so it shouldn't be a big concern....  But what about
barnacles?  Do you have barnacle issues in your area?  but other than the
leading edge your CB looks barnacle free?

Thanks all for any advice on not needing to worry about the CB and trunk OR
advice on how to get paint in there.

Patrick




On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 1:06?PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I lived 2.5 miles from Hampton Marine!  But in 1981.
>
> Larry
> Odessa FL
> 86 Rhodes
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2023, at 2:42?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Haul Out and Powerwash time at Hampton Marine in Hampton, VA !  Heavy
> > growth along the leading edege of the centerboard.  That is my 5th season
> > for the bottom paint.  Time to redo it.
> >
> > Mike Corley
> > s/v Ranger
> > 99 Rhodes
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From markwynn at verizon.net  Wed Dec  6 11:14:35 2023
From: markwynn at verizon.net (MARK WYNN)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 11:14:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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I need a new Outhaul car for my IMF Rhodes. My mail to rhodes22parts goes unanswered. Does anyone know how to get one? Thanks

Mark Wynn
Windchimes
Magothy River, Maryland 



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From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Dec  6 12:18:45 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 12:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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You can try Charles, he has been handling parts for Stan, he?s at Charles.Gabriel at gmail.com. 
Or you can fabricate one out of starboard if you have the patience.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2023, at 11:14?AM, MARK WYNN via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I need a new Outhaul car for my IMF Rhodes. My mail to rhodes22parts goes unanswered. Does anyone know how to get one? Thanks
> 
> Mark Wynn
> Windchimes
> Magothy River, Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 12:44:10 2023
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 11:44:10 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  7 14:33:26 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:33:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.? I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.? Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
Peter

From rweiss at siu.edu  Thu Dec  7 14:48:44 2023
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:48:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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I also purchased a replacement outhaul car through Charles Gabriel. It was a very tight fit to get it onto the boom, but finally got it on and it appears to be more sturdy than the original that came with my boat.

Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.  I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.  Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
Peter

From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 20:50:12 2023
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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I think I am the "other Rhodes owner" that Peter referred to.  I bought a new outhaul car through Charles Gabriel without any problem.  He is easy to work with.  Like Peter I had to cut it down (all four corners) to get it to fit into the slot on the boom.  

But there turned out to be a problem once the new outhaul car was in place and connected.  The carabiner on the outhaul car could not be attached to the clew of the mainsail without using the topping lift to raise the boom.  With the boom at an angle, the sail did not unfurl cleanly, and the IMF mechanism got jammed up.  I waited for a day when there was virtually no wind on the theory that I could somehow get it loosened, but it did not work.  I think the problem was that with my old outhaul car, the foot of the sail did not have to be close to the boom.  The old outhaul car worked reasonably well - I was able to unfurl and furl the mainsail -   so I put it back on.

At some point I will probably take the mainsail out of the mast.  In putting it back, if it is lowered a few inches, the new outhaul car might work on my Rhodes.  Until then, I chalk it up to an improvement tried and failed.

Bob Cohen
"Silver Bay"
Onekama, MI

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 2:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car

As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.  I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.  Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
Peter


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  7 21:35:03 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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Message-ID: <3F7A6620-9953-4C53-9ABE-D5A85EE68842@yahoo.com>

I got a replacement outhaul car with Charles? help about 5 years ago for my 2014 Rhodes. I didn?t need to cut any corners, worked as is - I used a piece of line looped around several times to attach the clew to it, as I?d forgotten to order that metal tang which had broken.  Works fine.  That may give you the extra spacing you need.  

Larry



> On Dec 7, 2023, at 8:50?PM, bobfcohen at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?I think I am the "other Rhodes owner" that Peter referred to.  I bought a new outhaul car through Charles Gabriel without any problem.  He is easy to work with.  Like Peter I had to cut it down (all four corners) to get it to fit into the slot on the boom.  
> 
> But there turned out to be a problem once the new outhaul car was in place and connected.  The carabiner on the outhaul car could not be attached to the clew of the mainsail without using the topping lift to raise the boom.  With the boom at an angle, the sail did not unfurl cleanly, and the IMF mechanism got jammed up.  I waited for a day when there was virtually no wind on the theory that I could somehow get it loosened, but it did not work.  I think the problem was that with my old outhaul car, the foot of the sail did not have to be close to the boom.  The old outhaul car worked reasonably well - I was able to unfurl and furl the mainsail -   so I put it back on.
> 
> At some point I will probably take the mainsail out of the mast.  In putting it back, if it is lowered a few inches, the new outhaul car might work on my Rhodes.  Until then, I chalk it up to an improvement tried and failed.
> 
> Bob Cohen
> "Silver Bay"
> Onekama, MI
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 2:33 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
> 
> As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.  I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.  Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
> Peter
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 11:06:42 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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Here is photo of new outhaul car on "Respite" and a Word doc of Stan's description of the new car. I purchased from GBI in 2019/2020. I also purchased the new traveller system at the same time, both came from Charles Gabriel.  The new outhaul did allowed a greater gap between the clew and the boom. Re: IMF operation. I was having great difficulty furling the main and according to Stan it is imperative to insure that the boom is horizontal so tightening the topping lift is required before furling. Once I did that, no problems.

Joe Dempsey
Ex-Rhodes 22
Trojan 42 MY
M/V Voyager
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 2:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car

As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.  I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.  Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
Peter
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  8 13:11:19 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 18:11:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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 Joe,? ? Is the outhaul car in your picture the one with the lifetime guarantee that Stan wrote about?? I wish I'd have known about that before I purchased my new outhaul car last summer (version 4?).? The attached pic shows the newest version (as of June 2023).? If you look at the bottom you can see that it's just a smidge too wide to fit in the boom.? I filed that bottom edge down just enough to get it on.? It's been great for me ever since.??
Peter
    On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:06:50 AM EST, jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Here is photo of new outhaul car on "Respite" and a Word doc of Stan's description of the new car. I purchased from GBI in 2019/2020. I also purchased the new traveller system at the same time, both came from Charles Gabriel.? The new outhaul did allowed a greater gap between the clew and the boom. Re: IMF operation. I was having great difficulty furling the main and according to Stan it is imperative to insure that the boom is horizontal so tightening the topping lift is required before furling. Once I did that, no problems.

Joe Dempsey
Ex-Rhodes 22
Trojan 42 MY
M/V Voyager
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 2:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car

As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.? I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.? Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
Peter
  
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 15:16:40 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 15:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnDiYfJRo69d3ZTBtmCj45HEPHTtOw8=nbtxY690KUUuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The boat
is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen some
YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits, etc.)
I'm reluctant to do so.
So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands
high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the substrate is
at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with heat
lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present when
using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
Has anyone had experience or tips?
Or should I just wait until Spring?
Jeff Smith
Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
2019/2016

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Dec  9 16:32:35 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2023 13:32:35 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
Message-ID: <E1rC4w7-003KdU-2P@s152.servername.online>

I have some experience moving the boat from trailer to jack stands in my driveway, and I think you're right to reject that route.  It's a fussy process that takes me most of a day (each way), and the boat doesn't end up anywhere near high enough to expose most of the centerboard.  

Unfortunately, I can't advise on doing fiberglass work in cooler weather.

I assume you've considered and rejected removing the centerboard from the boat to do the work.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-09, at 15:16:40 EST, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The boat is 
> on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen some YouTube 
> videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for various reasons 
> (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits, etc.) I'm reluctant to do 
> so. 
> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands high 
> enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the problem.Everyone I have 
> talked to says wait 'til Spring so the substrate is at least 60 degrees F.  But 
> I want to do it sooner, if possible. My plan is to warm the centerboard where I 
> need to do the repairs with heat lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I 
> plan to be present when using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire... 
> Has anyone had experience or tips?
> Or should I just wait until Spring?
> Jeff Smith
> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
> 2019/2016
> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 17:33:55 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:33:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnDiYfJRo69d3ZTBtmCj45HEPHTtOw8=nbtxY690KUUuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnDiYfJRo69d3ZTBtmCj45HEPHTtOw8=nbtxY690KUUuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMjTL+CTcvO9HdsJxdYvfnxau8h+rXQQDdK+u1_6weGng@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff, do you have a warm garage or basement? If the work is on the
centerboard itself, you could pull the board and bring it inside?

Todd T

On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 3:23 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The boat
> is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen some
> YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
> various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits, etc.)
> I'm reluctant to do so.
> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands
> high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
> problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the substrate is
> at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
> My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with heat
> lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present when
> using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
> Has anyone had experience or tips?
> Or should I just wait until Spring?
> Jeff Smith
> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
> 2019/2016
>

From canusmajor54 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 17:46:34 2023
From: canusmajor54 at gmail.com (Jeff Kantor)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnDiYfJRo69d3ZTBtmCj45HEPHTtOw8=nbtxY690KUUuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnDiYfJRo69d3ZTBtmCj45HEPHTtOw8=nbtxY690KUUuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+qybHHbyrXktK46rLJBBD3=1dgAKuuswihcWyE1Gf5C_V7EYw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a boat in for work in NY State over the winter.  The temperature is
maintained for glass work by building a shrink wrap chamber under the boat,
large enough for a heater and work space.  Work can be done in the bumper
temp seasons.  Dead winter is still too cold to play.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:16?PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The boat
> is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen some
> YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
> various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits, etc.)
> I'm reluctant to do so.
> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands
> high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
> problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the substrate is
> at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
> My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with heat
> lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present when
> using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
> Has anyone had experience or tips?
> Or should I just wait until Spring?
> Jeff Smith
> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
> 2019/2016
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 18:05:08 2023
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 18:05:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
In-Reply-To: <CA+qybHHbyrXktK46rLJBBD3=1dgAKuuswihcWyE1Gf5C_V7EYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qybHHbyrXktK46rLJBBD3=1dgAKuuswihcWyE1Gf5C_V7EYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67AF1B82-C08D-4986-B2CD-754ADC4717FC@gmail.com>

Another option would be to remove the centerboard from the boat so you can do the work inside?much better for control of temperature.  It is bit of a pain to remove, but that will give you the opportunity to inspect the entire system and replace the gasket and any other components if necessary. 

I would definitely replace the centerboard line regardless. 

FYI I have a lot of gasket material available to Rhodie who needs it?just pay shipping.  

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2023, at 5:46?PM, Jeff Kantor <canusmajor54 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a boat in for work in NY State over the winter.  The temperature is
> maintained for glass work by building a shrink wrap chamber under the boat,
> large enough for a heater and work space.  Work can be done in the bumper
> temp seasons.  Dead winter is still too cold to play.
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:16?PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The boat
>> is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen some
>> YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
>> various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits, etc.)
>> I'm reluctant to do so.
>> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands
>> high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
>> problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the substrate is
>> at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
>> My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with heat
>> lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present when
>> using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
>> Has anyone had experience or tips?
>> Or should I just wait until Spring?
>> Jeff Smith
>> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
>> 2019/2016
>> 

From thyatt at mica.edu  Sat Dec  9 19:53:35 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 19:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2K-VKvFnL=YEqdq0X4ZV3waRkfwWd3XrOjb+yYWoj009w@mail.gmail.com>

I have a general question for Rhodes owners.

What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments, wind
instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you
have them placed?

Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?

What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that
currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
installed).

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Middle River, MD.

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Dec  9 21:52:16 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2023 18:52:16 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
Message-ID: <E1rC9vU-004k9B-2f@s152.servername.online>

Tom,

The primary device I use for navigation is a tablet computer.  I have an iPad.  I?m sure other brands can be made to work, but I have no personal experience.  

The tablet needs some chart plotter like software.  I?ve used several different programs over the years.  Currently, I?m mostly using  Aqua Map.  Whatever you pick, it will take some time to learn how to use it.

If your tablet has a GPS receiver, then you?ve got about 90% of everything you could ever hope for in one small package, and you could just declare victory and go home.

I chose to further complicate matters.

My iPad doesn?t have GPS, but my VHS radio does.  The VHS also has AIS, which is nice to have.  The VHS outputs this data on a pair of wires in NMEA 0183 format.  To make this data available to the iPad required a device that will read the NMEA data over the wires, and retransmit it over WIFI.  The specific device I?m using is no longer made, but there are several brands out there you should be able to find with an internet search.

I should mention that the chart plotter software you choose has to have support for reading NMEA data over WIFI.  If you go this route, you?ll want to check for this.

The other instrument I use is a depth/speed/temperature sensor, also with NMEA 0183 output.  I don?t really care about the water temperature, and the speed sensor is unreliable, but I refer to the depth readout frequently, especially when anchoring.

I tried a ?SailTimer? wind instrument, but couldn?t get it to work reliably.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-09, at 19:53:35 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
> 
> What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments, wind 
> instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you have 
> them placed? 
> 
> Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
> 
> What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that 
> currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly installed). 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD.
> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 22:00:36 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
In-Reply-To: <67AF1B82-C08D-4986-B2CD-754ADC4717FC@gmail.com>
References: <CA+qybHHbyrXktK46rLJBBD3=1dgAKuuswihcWyE1Gf5C_V7EYw@mail.gmail.com>
 <67AF1B82-C08D-4986-B2CD-754ADC4717FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT47QQ+dkvy_LybEQqW+nGkYxzgJieFdidWyosxybPWxwQ@mail.gmail.com>

How extensive is the needed work? Also, what ambient temperature are you
dealing with?
Heat lamps work for small areas and cool temperatures but for large jobs or
cold temperatures you might end up with a mess on your hands. Also the time
to cure would likely be much longer than you would want to hang around even
if you use fiberglass resin. If you use epoxy, which I think is much
better, you need about 24 hrs or more for the epoxy to cure. You might be
able to do the work in the Spring before launch when you get a warm
day. Except perhaps for minor repairs removal of the centerboard is the
best option for all of the reasons others have mentioned.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 6:05?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another option would be to remove the centerboard from the boat so you can
> do the work inside?much better for control of temperature.  It is bit of a
> pain to remove, but that will give you the opportunity to inspect the
> entire system and replace the gasket and any other components if necessary.
>
> I would definitely replace the centerboard line regardless.
>
> FYI I have a lot of gasket material available to Rhodie who needs it?just
> pay shipping.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 5:46?PM, Jeff Kantor <canusmajor54 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I have a boat in for work in NY State over the winter.  The temperature
> is
> > maintained for glass work by building a shrink wrap chamber under the
> boat,
> > large enough for a heater and work space.  Work can be done in the bumper
> > temp seasons.  Dead winter is still too cold to play.
> >
> >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:16?PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The
> boat
> >> is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen
> some
> >> YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
> >> various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits,
> etc.)
> >> I'm reluctant to do so.
> >> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on jack-stands
> >> high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
> >> problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the
> substrate is
> >> at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
> >> My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with
> heat
> >> lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present when
> >> using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
> >> Has anyone had experience or tips?
> >> Or should I just wait until Spring?
> >> Jeff Smith
> >> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
> >> 2019/2016
> >>
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 22:15:29 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
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Tom:
What sort of navigation equipment you need depends on the circumstances
under which you would use it.
My sailing is restricted to day sailing in familiar waters so my needs are
modest. I use my cell phone and sometimes a tablet and for navigation use
"Sail Free GPS" software. This app runs on both my cell phone (iPhone 8+)
and my tables - a generic $200 android. SailFreeGPS has a free version and
the paid version is, as I recall, under $20. It is actually very powerful
and used by some for transatlantic voyages.

My suggestion would be to download the app and play with it over the winter
at home. You might find this is all you need and will certainly be useful
training.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 9:52?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The primary device I use for navigation is a tablet computer.  I have an
> iPad.  I?m sure other brands can be made to work, but I have no personal
> experience.
>
> The tablet needs some chart plotter like software.  I?ve used several
> different programs over the years.  Currently, I?m mostly using  Aqua Map.
> Whatever you pick, it will take some time to learn how to use it.
>
> If your tablet has a GPS receiver, then you?ve got about 90% of everything
> you could ever hope for in one small package, and you could just declare
> victory and go home.
>
> I chose to further complicate matters.
>
> My iPad doesn?t have GPS, but my VHS radio does.  The VHS also has AIS,
> which is nice to have.  The VHS outputs this data on a pair of wires in
> NMEA 0183 format.  To make this data available to the iPad required a
> device that will read the NMEA data over the wires, and retransmit it over
> WIFI.  The specific device I?m using is no longer made, but there are
> several brands out there you should be able to find with an internet search.
>
> I should mention that the chart plotter software you choose has to have
> support for reading NMEA data over WIFI.  If you go this route, you?ll want
> to check for this.
>
> The other instrument I use is a depth/speed/temperature sensor, also with
> NMEA 0183 output.  I don?t really care about the water temperature, and the
> speed sensor is unreliable, but I refer to the depth readout frequently,
> especially when anchoring.
>
> I tried a ?SailTimer? wind instrument, but couldn?t get it to work
> reliably.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-12-09, at 19:53:35 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
> >
> > I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
> >
> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,
> wind
> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you
> have
> > them placed?
> >
> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
> >
> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that
> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
> installed).
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> > Middle River, MD.
> >
>
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 23:09:22 2023
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:09:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2K-VKvFnL=YEqdq0X4ZV3waRkfwWd3XrOjb+yYWoj009w@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.  I have a simple removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.  

I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the Virgin Islands.  It is an excellent app. 

I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates USCG Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can be important.  There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used. 

Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local waters or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.  
Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.  NOAA has a free tool that lets you create your own custom charts. 

Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for the ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very rigorous. Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well. 

Michael McKay
ASA instructor/USCG captain 
S/V Liber, 2006/2018
Allatoona Lake, GA



(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
> 
> What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments, wind
> instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you
> have them placed?
> 
> Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
> 
> What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that
> currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
> installed).
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Middle River, MD.

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 07:19:02 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:19:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiberglassing in winter
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmm2YRvmX9j7ZmeWEe9U2hrHV+LOJXiTkkX6_rzZcjuatw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
Thanks for endorsing my conclusion. Can the center board be removed from
inside the boat? If all else fails I may consider it, but would really
rather not open up that can of worms. I'll search in the archives on how to
do that. The other thing is that maybe checking out the pulleys and the pin
would not be too bad an idea.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 09:23:38 2023
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 09:23:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
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What a nice, simple idea.  I may try it.  Thanks, Larry.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 9:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car

I got a replacement outhaul car with Charles? help about 5 years ago for my 2014 Rhodes. I didn?t need to cut any corners, worked as is - I used a piece of line looped around several times to attach the clew to it, as I?d forgotten to order that metal tang which had broken.  Works fine.  That may give you the extra spacing you need.  

Larry



> On Dec 7, 2023, at 8:50?PM, bobfcohen at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?I think I am the "other Rhodes owner" that Peter referred to.  I bought a new outhaul car through Charles Gabriel without any problem.  He is easy to work with.  Like Peter I had to cut it down (all four corners) to get it to fit into the slot on the boom.  
> 
> But there turned out to be a problem once the new outhaul car was in place and connected.  The carabiner on the outhaul car could not be attached to the clew of the mainsail without using the topping lift to raise the boom.  With the boom at an angle, the sail did not unfurl cleanly, and the IMF mechanism got jammed up.  I waited for a day when there was virtually no wind on the theory that I could somehow get it loosened, but it did not work.  I think the problem was that with my old outhaul car, the foot of the sail did not have to be close to the boom.  The old outhaul car worked reasonably well - I was able to unfurl and furl the mainsail -   so I put it back on.
> 
> At some point I will probably take the mainsail out of the mast.  In putting it back, if it is lowered a few inches, the new outhaul car might work on my Rhodes.  Until then, I chalk it up to an improvement tried and failed.
> 
> Bob Cohen
> "Silver Bay"
> Onekama, MI
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 2:33 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need IMF Outhaul car
> 
> As Scott said, Charles Gabriel is the guy you want.Email him and keep a close eye on your spam folder.  I had a devil of a time getting in touch with him at first, and ultimately his reply ended up in spam.  Once we connected he was very responsive and I had a new outhaul car on my boat in short order.I did have to file a wee bit off of a corner to make it fit, and I know of one other Rhodes owner who had a similar experience.
> Peter
> 



From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 13:03:23 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
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Turns out the images are too large....how do I send them to the list?
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:01?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I mounted a Garmin Echomap UHD 73sv on a swing out mount. the mount (made
> from RAM components) is just inside the companionway on the starboard side
> and swings into the companionway when underway. It comes with a transducer
> but it doesn't have a flat bottom so a purchased a "hockey puck" design
> ultrasound transducer from Amazon that had the same pinouts and epoxied it
> to the bottom of the lazerette floor. The Echomap has its own internal GPS
> to give speed, position and heading. I've included images of my setup that
> been using for years now
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:28?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth
>> is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal
>> GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.  I have a simple
>> removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.
>>
>> I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North
>> Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the Virgin
>> Islands.  It is an excellent app.
>>
>> I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates USCG
>> Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can be
>> important.  There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used.
>>
>> Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local waters
>> or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better
>> understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.
>> Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.  NOAA has a free
>> tool that lets you create your own custom charts.
>>
>> Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of
>> Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for the
>> ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very rigorous.
>> Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well.
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> ASA instructor/USCG captain
>> S/V Liber, 2006/2018
>> Allatoona Lake, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
>> >
>> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,
>> wind
>> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you
>> > have them placed?
>> >
>> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
>> >
>> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that
>> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
>> > installed).
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.
>> >
>> > Tom Hyatt
>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> > Middle River, MD.
>>
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun Dec 10 13:19:54 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:19:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fiber-glassing in Winter?
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I've done some epoxy and fiberglass work on a wooden kayak in my garage in
the winter. I had a space heater running as well as some heat lamps. Some
of the heat lamps were too close and ended up causing bubbles to appear
under the fiberglass. While that probably won't happen with the
centerboard, just know you're better off having them at a reasonable
distance. I'd say if the surface feels very warm after they've been on a
while, move them away.

As others have suggested, I don't think doing fiberglass work outside
during cold weather will work, even with some localized heat. While you can
also find epoxy that is designed for lower temps, I'm guessing you would
need ambient temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees. You'll want to get the piece
warm before you start and maintain the heat for a day or two at least.

Mark



Boston, MA

2000 R22 *When and If*


On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 10:00?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> How extensive is the needed work? Also, what ambient temperature are you
> dealing with?
> Heat lamps work for small areas and cool temperatures but for large jobs or
> cold temperatures you might end up with a mess on your hands. Also the time
> to cure would likely be much longer than you would want to hang around even
> if you use fiberglass resin. If you use epoxy, which I think is much
> better, you need about 24 hrs or more for the epoxy to cure. You might be
> able to do the work in the Spring before launch when you get a warm
> day. Except perhaps for minor repairs removal of the centerboard is the
> best option for all of the reasons others have mentioned.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 6:05?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Another option would be to remove the centerboard from the boat so you
> can
> > do the work inside?much better for control of temperature.  It is bit of
> a
> > pain to remove, but that will give you the opportunity to inspect the
> > entire system and replace the gasket and any other components if
> necessary.
> >
> > I would definitely replace the centerboard line regardless.
> >
> > FYI I have a lot of gasket material available to Rhodie who needs it?just
> > pay shipping.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 2023, at 5:46?PM, Jeff Kantor <canusmajor54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I have a boat in for work in NY State over the winter.  The
> temperature
> > is
> > > maintained for glass work by building a shrink wrap chamber under the
> > boat,
> > > large enough for a heater and work space.  Work can be done in the
> bumper
> > > temp seasons.  Dead winter is still too cold to play.
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:16?PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I need to do some fiberglass work on the centerboard this Winter.  The
> > boat
> > >> is on the trailer without clearance for me to get under.  I have seen
> > some
> > >> YouTube videos of getting the boat off the trailer with jacks, but for
> > >> various reasons (space around boat, slope of driveway where it sits,
> > etc.)
> > >> I'm reluctant to do so.
> > >> So I could have my yard use a travel lift to put the boat on
> jack-stands
> > >> high enough  to work under.  The temperature then becomes the
> > >> problem.Everyone I have talked to says wait 'til Spring so the
> > substrate is
> > >> at least 60 degrees F.  But I want to do it sooner, if possible.
> > >> My plan is to warm the centerboard where I need to do the repairs with
> > heat
> > >> lamps on either side and bring it up to temp. I plan to be present
> when
> > >> using the lamps to avoid the possibility of fire...
> > >> Has anyone had experience or tips?
> > >> Or should I just wait until Spring?
> > >> Jeff Smith
> > >> Rhodes 22 RADIANT #101
> > >> 2019/2016
> > >>
> >
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun Dec 10 13:22:00 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
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Reuben,

If you have a Mac, you can open it with Preview and go to Tools/Adjust size.

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *When and If*


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:03?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Turns out the images are too large....how do I send them to the list?
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:01?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I mounted a Garmin Echomap UHD 73sv on a swing out mount. the mount (made
> > from RAM components) is just inside the companionway on the starboard
> side
> > and swings into the companionway when underway. It comes with a
> transducer
> > but it doesn't have a flat bottom so a purchased a "hockey puck" design
> > ultrasound transducer from Amazon that had the same pinouts and epoxied
> it
> > to the bottom of the lazerette floor. The Echomap has its own internal
> GPS
> > to give speed, position and heading. I've included images of my setup
> that
> > been using for years now
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:28?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth
> >> is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal
> >> GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.  I have a simple
> >> removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.
> >>
> >> I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North
> >> Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the
> Virgin
> >> Islands.  It is an excellent app.
> >>
> >> I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates
> USCG
> >> Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can
> be
> >> important.  There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used.
> >>
> >> Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local
> waters
> >> or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better
> >> understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.
> >> Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.  NOAA has a free
> >> tool that lets you create your own custom charts.
> >>
> >> Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of
> >> Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for
> the
> >> ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very
> rigorous.
> >> Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well.
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> ASA instructor/USCG captain
> >> S/V Liber, 2006/2018
> >> Allatoona Lake, GA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
> >> >
> >> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,
> >> wind
> >> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do
> you
> >> > have them placed?
> >> >
> >> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
> >> >
> >> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes
> that
> >> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
> >> > installed).
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your help.
> >> >
> >> > Tom Hyatt
> >> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> >> > Middle River, MD.
> >>
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 13:53:44 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
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Thanks Mark...here's a second try with reduced image size
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:01?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I mounted a Garmin Echomap UHD 73sv on a swing out mount. the mount (made
> from RAM components) is just inside the companionway on the starboard side
> and swings into the companionway when underway. It comes with a transducer
> but it doesn't have a flat bottom so a purchased a "hockey puck" design
> ultrasound transducer from Amazon that had the same pinouts and epoxied it
> to the bottom of the lazerette floor. The Echomap has its own internal GPS
> to give speed, position and heading. I've included images of my setup that
> been using for years now
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:28?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth
>> is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal
>> GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.  I have a simple
>> removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.
>>
>> I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North
>> Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the Virgin
>> Islands.  It is an excellent app.
>>
>> I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates USCG
>> Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can be
>> important.  There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used.
>>
>> Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local waters
>> or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better
>> understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.
>> Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.  NOAA has a free
>> tool that lets you create your own custom charts.
>>
>> Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of
>> Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for the
>> ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very rigorous.
>> Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well.
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> ASA instructor/USCG captain
>> S/V Liber, 2006/2018
>> Allatoona Lake, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.
>> >
>> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,
>> wind
>> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you
>> > have them placed?
>> >
>> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?
>> >
>> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that
>> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly
>> > installed).
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.
>> >
>> > Tom Hyatt
>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> > Middle River, MD.
>>
>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 14:49:21 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:49:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mvn9+Y4jggb2f6csRcMvKGS+fDUBVMCGDmTxRaa9OOA8g@mail.gmail.com>
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My Garmin 74sd came with a transom mount transducer. I mounted it in the lazarette by squeezing out a bed of 3M clear silicone just after of the cockpit bulkhead on the centerline. Just left the stainless hinge bracket on it. Worked fine for 6 years and counting. Saved alot of money not having to buy the internal mount X-ducer.Joe DempseyFormer Rhodes 22Trojan 42 MYDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/10/23  1:13 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics Turns out the images are too large....how do I send them to the list?--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:01?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> I mounted a Garmin Echomap UHD 73sv on a swing out mount. the mount (made> from RAM components) is just inside the companionway on the starboard side> and swings into the companionway when underway. It comes with a transducer> but it doesn't have a flat bottom so a purchased a "hockey puck" design> ultrasound transducer from Amazon that had the same pinouts and epoxied it> to the bottom of the lazerette floor. The Echomap has its own internal GPS> to give speed, position and heading. I've included images of my setup that> been using for years now>> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:28?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>> wrote:>>> Tom,>>>> I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth>> is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal>> GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.? I have a simple>> removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.>>>> I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North>> Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the Virgin>> Islands.? It is an excellent app.>>>> I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates USCG>> Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can be>> important.? There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used.>>>> Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local waters>> or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better>> understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.>> Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.? NOAA has a free>> tool that lets you create your own custom charts.>>>> Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of>> Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for the>> ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very rigorous.>> Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well.>>>> Michael McKay>> ASA instructor/USCG captain>> S/V Liber, 2006/2018>> Allatoona Lake, GA>>>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)>>>> Sent from my iPhone>>>> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>> >>> > ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.>> >>> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,>> wind>> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?? Where do you>> > have them placed?>> >>> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?>> >>> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that>> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly>> > installed).>> >>> > Thanks for your help.>> >>> > Tom Hyatt>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978>> > Middle River, MD.>>>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 15:10:22 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:10:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics
In-Reply-To: <65761648.050a0220.51b2a.a697@mx.google.com>
References: <65761648.050a0220.51b2a.a697@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D06B5FD5-657D-4B97-9205-928427D8DA8C@gmail.com>

Yes, I tried that first but it failed after one year. Maybe I hadn?t used enough silicone
Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Dec 10, 2023, at 2:49?PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My Garmin 74sd came with a transom mount transducer. I mounted it in the lazarette by squeezing out a bed of 3M clear silicone just after of the cockpit bulkhead on the centerline. Just left the stainless hinge bracket on it. Worked fine for 6 years and counting. Saved alot of money not having to buy the internal mount X-ducer.Joe DempseyFormer Rhodes 22Trojan 42 MYDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/10/23  1:13 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Electronics Turns out the images are too large....how do I send them to the list?--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:01?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> I mounted a Garmin Echomap UHD 73sv on a swing out mount. the mount (made> from RAM components) is just inside the companionway on the starboard side> and swings into the companionway when underway. It comes with a transducer> but it doesn't have a flat bottom so a purchased a "hockey puck" design> ultrasound transducer from Amazon that had the same pinouts and epoxied it> to the bottom of the lazerette floor. The Echomap has its own internal GPS> to give speed, position and heading. I've included images of my setup that> been using for years now>> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:28?PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>> wrote:>>> Tom,>>>> I have dedicated depth finder and speed log instruments on my R22. Depth>> is the most useful of those. For navigation, I use an iPad with internal>> GPS, although an Android tablet with GPS would be fine.  I have a simple>> removable surface mount on my cabin bulkhead for the tablet.>>>> I used Navionics on the eastern seaboard navigating from Maine to North>> Carolina on an Island Packet 35, and also on three charters in the Virgin>> Islands.  It is an excellent app.>>>> I also like the Aqua Map app for some unique features. It integrates USCG>> Light List and Local Notices To Mariners into the chart data which can be>> important.  There are several other tablet nav apps that I haven?t used.>>>> Regardless, if you plan to extensively cruise your wonderful local waters>> or beyond, it is well worth studying coastal navigation for a better>> understanding of the underlying concepts?an nav app is not sufficient.>> Cruising guides and physical charts are indispensable.  NOAA has a free>> tool that lets you create your own custom charts.>>>> Since you are in Maryland, I highly recommend the Maryland School of>> Sailing and Seamanship in Rock Hall. Captain Tursi wrote the book for the>> ASA 105 Coastal Navigation course and all their courses are very rigorous.>> Check out their excellent library of YouTube videos as well.>>>> Michael McKay>> ASA instructor/USCG captain>> S/V Liber, 2006/2018>> Allatoona Lake, GA>>>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)>>>> Sent from my iPhone>>>> > On Dec 9, 2023, at 7:53?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>> >>> > ?I have a general question for Rhodes owners.>> >>> > What sort of navigation equipment (chart plotters, depth instruments,>> wind>> > instruments, etc) do owners have installed on their boats?  Where do you>> > have them placed?>> >>> > Are there phone apps that are replacing installed electronics?>> >>> > What recommendations would you have for someone equipping a Rhodes that>> > currently has no navigation technology (except a VHS Radio - newly>> > installed).>> >>> > Thanks for your help.>> >>> > Tom Hyatt>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978>> > Middle River, MD.>>>

From edmc18 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 08:00:39 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
In-Reply-To: <6C4F5732-D406-4484-B366-A7FEA3B831E0@me.com>
References: <CAEhtY2JiB5+L=MA17=AhbPPdJ7nKOAJXruwAy=cd6uF=xS4n8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6C4F5732-D406-4484-B366-A7FEA3B831E0@me.com>
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Bruce, if this is still available I?d love to have it. My wife and I just
retired our boat upholstery business. She had made a cover for my O?Day 19
several years ago and declared that she?d never make another cover for a
sailboat! So when I bought my 1988/2001 Rhodes in 2017 I didn?t dare broach
the subject!
I?m sure we could make this work. You can call or text me at 540-769-9248
or email at edmc18 at gmail.com

Thanks,
Ed McNamara
Smith Mountain Lake VA

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:53?PM Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Tom, I had a boat cover made a number of years ago by The Canvas Store in
> Huntington LI. It never fit quite right and the owner, who promised to make
> the required repairs, never did.  Their customer service was terrible and,
> I believe, the owner made a number of misrepresentations.  Having said
> that, I managed to use it for a couple of years before I went back to
> shrinkwrapping.  I have the cover (it came in 3 pieces) and,
> notwithstanding the $2000 I spent on it, am happy to pass it on to the
> first taker for the cost of shipping.  Someone who is a little handy can
> probably improve it significantly.  If interested, you can respond to my
> email off the List.
>
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> Shelter Island NY
>
> > On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:14?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
> >
> > Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
> > covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
> > inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
> > shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting proposition.
> > But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
> > full-on covers.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> > Middle River, MD
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 12:53:06 2023
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:53:06 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an extra 130 or 150 Genoa?
Message-ID: <CANbEFCs811kAjGHj4nx9F9fGz2CRCigK1TENPDXoQneauiMOXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,,

I hope you all are having a great holiday season.

 I am interested in finding out if any one has an extra headsail laying
around in decent condition and sail shape that they would be willing to
part with.  I bought the sails off the guy who was parting out his boat
about a year ago.  Unfortunately, he misrepresented just about everything
about those sails (I say this only because I know several of you were in
line behind me to purchase them).  I just was told by our local sail shop
that I need to invest yet more money to make my genoa serviceable for
another season or two.  So I am just considering my options.  Not quite
ready to pay $1,500 to Northsails but may get there eventually :)

thanks for being helpful as always,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake MN

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 15:53:21 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 15:53:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Pull - 1DEC23
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+DRMQAj1EWNX+t1GwsZqn1dhpG4RKPvg3W=KYKRs18Z7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+9-3H55Pp=2+eKyzodV57tCWQtJAW9xpOmCvwEHpOKvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D781BF92-1AEC-4ED0-AD79-DC56452E7D77@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1jJS+TBrJmyMfYNn2uh+EHQ8h48H0A9VizSacUQwweOQ0A@mail.gmail.com>

The hull is the original blue paint from1999.  Bottom paint is from 2018.
I have small barnacles that look like little white volcanos about a quarter
inch in diameter.  They come off with a paint scraper, but leave residue
that needs to be sanded off.  This year, strangely, I had a 2 inch sea
shell attached mid way up the centerboard.  CB trunk is a prime area for
growth and tough to clean.  Also had a clump of shells port side bottom
about 2 ft from the stern.
One year, I spent 36 hours in the black water of the Dismal Swamp Canal and
that did a great job of cleaning the hull.

--Mike
s/v Ranger
99 Rhodes.
Hampton Roads, VA

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 5:33?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> Is that original factory paint on your CB?
>
> My boat(s) are in Southern Shores NC (~Kitty Hawk).  Barnacles can be
> pretty bad pretty fast based on the power boat experience I saw last
> summer.  While I was in Denver I built a Gantry to lift the front of the
> rhodes and pulled the trailer out and applied bottom paint easily but did
> not get up into the CB trunk or on the CB.  I supposed most marine growth
> needs sunlight so it shouldn't be a big concern....  But what about
> barnacles?  Do you have barnacle issues in your area?  but other than the
> leading edge your CB looks barnacle free?
>
> Thanks all for any advice on not needing to worry about the CB and trunk OR
> advice on how to get paint in there.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 1:06?PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > I lived 2.5 miles from Hampton Marine!  But in 1981.
> >
> > Larry
> > Odessa FL
> > 86 Rhodes
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 5, 2023, at 2:42?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Haul Out and Powerwash time at Hampton Marine in Hampton, VA !  Heavy
> > > growth along the leading edege of the centerboard.  That is my 5th
> season
> > > for the bottom paint.  Time to redo it.
> > >
> > > Mike Corley
> > > s/v Ranger
> > > 99 Rhodes
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 18:03:15 2023
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 18:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an extra 130 or 150 Genoa?
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCs811kAjGHj4nx9F9fGz2CRCigK1TENPDXoQneauiMOXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCs811kAjGHj4nx9F9fGz2CRCigK1TENPDXoQneauiMOXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Matt, I have a Genoa that may work for you. I?m not sure the exact size but I think it?s more like a 170. The foot measures 193?.  Someone on the list may know based on that. It fits in a slot on the furling tube. 
Mitch

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello everyone,,
> 
> I hope you all are having a great holiday season.
> 
> I am interested in finding out if any one has an extra headsail laying
> around in decent condition and sail shape that they would be willing to
> part with.  I bought the sails off the guy who was parting out his boat
> about a year ago.  Unfortunately, he misrepresented just about everything
> about those sails (I say this only because I know several of you were in
> line behind me to purchase them).  I just was told by our local sail shop
> that I need to invest yet more money to make my genoa serviceable for
> another season or two.  So I am just considering my options.  Not quite
> ready to pay $1,500 to Northsails but may get there eventually :)
> 
> thanks for being helpful as always,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake MN

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 18:28:46 2023
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 17:28:46 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an extra 130 or 150 Genoa?
In-Reply-To: <15B3292A-F310-4E30-8BA3-A20684F73201@gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCs811kAjGHj4nx9F9fGz2CRCigK1TENPDXoQneauiMOXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mitch.  That does sound like a 175 Genoa.  I might be interested but
would really like to get a 150.  Do you know the make, year and condition?

Appreciate your email,
Matt

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:03?PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Matt, I have a Genoa that may work for you. I?m not sure the exact size
> but I think it?s more like a 170. The foot measures 193?.  Someone on the
> list may know based on that. It fits in a slot on the furling tube.
> Mitch
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 11, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello everyone,,
> >
> > I hope you all are having a great holiday season.
> >
> > I am interested in finding out if any one has an extra headsail laying
> > around in decent condition and sail shape that they would be willing to
> > part with.  I bought the sails off the guy who was parting out his boat
> > about a year ago.  Unfortunately, he misrepresented just about everything
> > about those sails (I say this only because I know several of you were in
> > line behind me to purchase them).  I just was told by our local sail shop
> > that I need to invest yet more money to make my genoa serviceable for
> > another season or two.  So I am just considering my options.  Not quite
> > ready to pay $1,500 to Northsails but may get there eventually :)
> >
> > thanks for being helpful as always,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake MN
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 19:01:49 2023
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:01:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an extra 130 or 150 Genoa?
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCvMhjEEZ01rtRZVt+JE96UCxwSnZmeQezed4fLngxx+wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCvMhjEEZ01rtRZVt+JE96UCxwSnZmeQezed4fLngxx+wA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C20D2C13-2114-4AEE-A906-04FC5E74B713@gmail.com>

Matt it seems to be in ok shape. I sent it to a sail shop and had it cleaned. I bought it along with lots of other stuff from someone who was junking their boat. The furling tube on my boat needs a genoa with a sleeve so I?ve never used it. I think it?s a Hood. I?m out of town right now or I?d check. I thought I?d sell it for $300 plus shipping. If you got and didn?t like it you could return it and I would refund the cost minus shipping.  Hope that helps, Mitch

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mitch.  That does sound like a 175 Genoa.  I might be interested but
> would really like to get a 150.  Do you know the make, year and condition?
> 
> Appreciate your email,
> Matt
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:03?PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Matt, I have a Genoa that may work for you. I?m not sure the exact size
>> but I think it?s more like a 170. The foot measures 193?.  Someone on the
>> list may know based on that. It fits in a slot on the furling tube.
>> Mitch
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello everyone,,
>>> 
>>> I hope you all are having a great holiday season.
>>> 
>>> I am interested in finding out if any one has an extra headsail laying
>>> around in decent condition and sail shape that they would be willing to
>>> part with.  I bought the sails off the guy who was parting out his boat
>>> about a year ago.  Unfortunately, he misrepresented just about everything
>>> about those sails (I say this only because I know several of you were in
>>> line behind me to purchase them).  I just was told by our local sail shop
>>> that I need to invest yet more money to make my genoa serviceable for
>>> another season or two.  So I am just considering my options.  Not quite
>>> ready to pay $1,500 to Northsails but may get there eventually :)
>>> 
>>> thanks for being helpful as always,
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake MN
>> 

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 13 11:09:55 2023
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:09:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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I had a
Cover made for Country Rhodes six years ago at Kansas road tarp shop in
kidron ohio
It was 575.00$,$75 more for a zippered flap by the swim ladder, for access
without disturbing the cover. Best investment I've made. Can cover it in
less than ten minutes, and no flapping in the wind.
Jerry Lowe  sv country Rhodes  '86

Bruce, if this is still available I???d love to have it. My wife and I
> just
> retired our boat upholstery business. She had made a cover for my O???Day
> 19
> several years ago and declared that she???d never make another cover for a
> sailboat! So when I bought my 1988/2001 Rhodes in 2017 I didn???t dare
> broach
> the subject!
> I???m sure we could make this work. You can call or text me at
> 540-769-9248
> or email at edmc18 at gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> Ed McNamara
> Smith Mountain Lake VA
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:53???PM Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Tom, I had a boat cover made a number of years ago by The Canvas Store
>> in
>> Huntington LI. It never fit quite right and the owner, who promised to
>> make
>> the required repairs, never did.  Their customer service was terrible
>> and,
>> I believe, the owner made a number of misrepresentations.  Having said
>> that, I managed to use it for a couple of years before I went back to
>> shrinkwrapping.  I have the cover (it came in 3 pieces) and,
>> notwithstanding the $2000 I spent on it, am happy to pass it on to the
>> first taker for the cost of shipping.  Someone who is a little handy can
>> probably improve it significantly.  If interested, you can respond to my
>> email off the List.
>>
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
>> Shelter Island NY
>>
>> > On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:14???PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ???A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>> >
>> > Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've
>> always
>> > covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
>> > inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays
>> and
>> > shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting
>> proposition.
>> > But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I
>> imagine)
>> > full-on covers.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Tom Hyatt
>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> > Middle River, MD
>>
>



From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 13 11:31:00 2023
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:31:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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I had a cover made about six years ago, best investment I've made. Takes
less than five minutes to cover, doesn't flap in the wind . I paid 50$
extra to get a zippered door over the swim ladder, for entry without
disturbing the cover. Total was$575. Probably $1000 today.






Sure.
> Drop the mast  and lash it to the bow pulpit and stern cradle then put a
> tarp over it. I have used various types over the years but the clear poly,
> 30??? x 40??? works best. It has a mesh reinforcement. It???s not 30 x
> 40??? finished and fits well. I cover the mast with a piece of old tarp to
> reduce friction over the mast.   I use plastic clamps from Hope depot to
> seal the front and back.
> I jack the front of the mast up a bit further on a wood stand lashed down
> to the deck. I do this to have more room under the tarp to work, but
> it???s not necessary.  A photo is attached I hope.
> Ric sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays NY
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2023, at 10:07???PM, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ???Here are photos of Respite covered for the winter here in Virginia.
>> You're correct, with all the shrouds on the Rhodes, you'll need a pretty
>> large bank account to cover it with the mast stepped. It is much more
>> practical to haul the boat and lower the mast. A good 20 X 30 tarp and a
>> bunch of bungee work fine.
>>
>> I made a boom tent out of sunbrella for in season protection. This is
>> pretty much limited to the length of the boom. Helps to keep dew and
>> debris out of cockpit.
>>
>> Joe Dempsey
>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>> Trojan 42
>> M V Voyager
>> Deltaville VA
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 8:39:05 PM
>> To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
>>
>> We always stored Fretless on the hard with the mast down. We made a PVC
>> frame to support a tarp so the mast, the spreaders and the stays weren't
>> involved. We padded places that might rub with scrap pieces of carpet
>> and tied the tarp down so it was taut, shed rain and snow and didn't
>> flap much in the wind.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> ex Rhodes 22
>> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>>> On 12/3/2023 8:14 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>>>
>>> Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
>>> covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
>>> inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays
>>> and
>>> shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting
>>> proposition.
>>> But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I
>>> imagine)
>>> full-on covers.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>>> Middle River, MD
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From edmc18 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 15:14:49 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat cover for Rhodes22
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Bruce, is it still available?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:00?AM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bruce, if this is still available I?d love to have it. My wife and I just
> retired our boat upholstery business. She had made a cover for my O?Day 19
> several years ago and declared that she?d never make another cover for a
> sailboat! So when I bought my 1988/2001 Rhodes in 2017 I didn?t dare broach
> the subject!
> I?m sure we could make this work. You can call or text me at 540-769-9248
> or email at edmc18 at gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> Ed McNamara
> Smith Mountain Lake VA
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:53?PM Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Tom, I had a boat cover made a number of years ago by The Canvas Store in
>> Huntington LI. It never fit quite right and the owner, who promised to make
>> the required repairs, never did.  Their customer service was terrible and,
>> I believe, the owner made a number of misrepresentations.  Having said
>> that, I managed to use it for a couple of years before I went back to
>> shrinkwrapping.  I have the cover (it came in 3 pieces) and,
>> notwithstanding the $2000 I spent on it, am happy to pass it on to the
>> first taker for the cost of shipping.  Someone who is a little handy can
>> probably improve it significantly.  If interested, you can respond to my
>> email off the List.
>>
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
>> Shelter Island NY
>>
>> > On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:14?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?A question as winter arrives here on the Chesapeake Bay.
>> >
>> > Has anyone bought/made/thought about a cover for their R22? I've always
>> > covered my powerboat over the winter and as a new Rhodes owner, my
>> > inclination is to do that same for it. Of course, with all the stays and
>> > shrouds and mast, etc, I can see that it would be a daunting
>> proposition.
>> > But at the boatyard I do see some boats with (very expensive, I imagine)
>> > full-on covers.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Tom Hyatt
>> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> > Middle River, MD
>>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 15:18:07 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:18:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mu0LBTcw-nbpXTWdmhxE74J23TweX_xq8LuDnB4U99m+g@mail.gmail.com>

This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
really can't tow it till Tuesday

Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
the boat..haven't gone aground
Its a puzzle

--
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 19:36:34 2023
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Rueben,
In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the
bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit
seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses
were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the
laz.
Patrick


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>
> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> the boat..haven't gone aground
> Its a puzzle
>
> --
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 21:33:49 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>
> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> the boat..haven't gone aground
> Its a puzzle
>
> --
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Dec 14 21:38:04 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 02:38:04 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Hi Reuben,

Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>> 
>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>> Its a puzzle
>> 
>> --
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 00:16:25 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:16:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Graham
turns out my boat didn't come with a bilge pump nor any way to dump the
water overboard even if there was a bilge pump....Somehow I assumed that
was part of the design....clearly in retrospect I was wrong.
I didn't think to taste the water but there hadn't been much rain recently
and there was lots of water so I assumed it was salt water...I'll check
tomorrow

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:44?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> > the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> > bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> > very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> out...checked
> > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
> leak
> > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> leak
> > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> water
> > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> rain
> > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> > We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> > really can't tow it till Tuesday
> >
> > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> > the boat..haven't gone aground
> > Its a puzzle
> >
> > --
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Dec 15 03:30:07 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:30:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Roger,
That's an easy one. We're still on the trailer undergoing refurbishing from the prior owners neglect, and subsequent damage from hurricane Ian. So, the water is fresh. We recently re-bedded and caulked portals, and caulked the screw holes when we reattached the rub rail. We had removed it to repaint. There is a weekend of hard rain and blow scheduled here in Florida this weekend. We'll have our fingers crossed. The entire cabin from decking to galley is rebuilt and waiting for this water test before we install it.
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:38:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Hi Reuben,

Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>
>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>> Its a puzzle
>>
>> --
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Dec 15 03:45:11 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:45:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Sorry for the confusing reply. I mistook the reply from Graham and Roger as a comment I made a while ago concerning my boat. Reuben, when we get our boat put back together, maybe we can meet up. We're on Pine Island, off Cape Coral. That's not a day sail but would be a reasonable overnighter. Good luck with your water issue. It can be maddening.
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 3:30:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Roger,
That's an easy one. We're still on the trailer undergoing refurbishing from the prior owners neglect, and subsequent damage from hurricane Ian. So, the water is fresh. We recently re-bedded and caulked portals, and caulked the screw holes when we reattached the rub rail. We had removed it to repaint. There is a weekend of hard rain and blow scheduled here in Florida this weekend. We'll have our fingers crossed. The entire cabin from decking to galley is rebuilt and waiting for this water test before we install it.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perseverance

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:38:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Hi Reuben,

Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>
>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>> Its a puzzle
>>
>> --
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Dec 15 09:45:48 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Reuben,
Sorry about the water in your boat. Our Rhodes (refurbished by GB) never 
had a bilge pump and never needed one during the 16 summers she spent in 
a slip on the Chesapeake. We did have a hand pump and buckets but never 
needed them.

Years ago word from someone who managed to put a hole in his centerboard 
cap was that the flotation in the boat would allow it to flood to the 
top of the bunks but no further.

While they don't appear to be connected there are channels that let 
water run from the lazarette to the cabin so if the lazarette floods, 
the water will run toward the cabin. Double check the hose for the 
cockpit drain that runs through the lazarette as the lower end is below 
the waterline and a break in the hose or a failed connection below the 
waterline could cause the boat to flood.

Best of luck finding the leak and drying her out.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 12/15/2023 12:16 AM, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> Graham
> turns out my boat didn't come with a bilge pump nor any way to dump the
> water overboard even if there was a bilge pump....Somehow I assumed that
> was part of the design....clearly in retrospect I was wrong.
> I didn't think to taste the water but there hadn't been much rain recently
> and there was lots of water so I assumed it was salt water...I'll check
> tomorrow
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:44?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
>>
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 76
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
>> out...checked
>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
>> leak
>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
>> leak
>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
>> water
>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
>> rain
>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>>> Its a puzzle
>>>
>>> --
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 11:13:27 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 11:13:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Reuben,I  may just be echoing what others have said.
The lazarette is not sealed off from the cabin bilge by a bulkhead on any
boat I have heard about. I think Stan commented once about this last year
or so when I asked a question about it. What you may see when you look
forward in the laz, under the cockpit, is the back of the poured in
expanded flotation foam. It may or may not have been glassed or tabbed down
to the hull, but water will migrate down through the foam into the cabin.
The older and dryer the foam gets it seems, the faster water will get to
the bilge.
Some boats have some sort of pipe cut in half lengthwise and laid against
the hull under the foam, like hollow stringers, forming two tunnels so
water runs directly from the laz to the bilge.

But clogged seat drains, and rain water flowing over the lip into the laz
is the most likely cause of such a large quantity of water in a short time,
unless you find a leak at the CB cap or at the cockpit aft drain thru-hull
fitting.
Some owners have also noted the (garden) hose that connects the centerboard
cap to the cockpit gutter, through which the CB pennant runs is not always
connected at the top/gutter fitting. This would be a very slow leak.
These are the first places I would look.
And if the seat drains are still the small ?" ID ones, I'd suggest
enlarging those fittings to 1" ID.
I also made screens from white plastic house gutter guards that fit into
the drain pockets. The enlarged drains along with the screens have
eliminated water in the bilge even when stored uncovered under an oak tree.

Todd T

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, 3:18 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>
> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> the boat..haven't gone aground
> Its a puzzle
>
> --
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 15:44:56 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result
I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
Is my message reaching the list?
Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?

Thanks
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 15:48:45 2023
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:48:45 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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Received - smb

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 12:45 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result
> I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
> Is my message reaching the list?
> Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?
>
> Thanks
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>

From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Dec 15 15:48:49 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:48:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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I got it.

Tom Hyatt

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 3:45?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result
> I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
> Is my message reaching the list?
> Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?
>
> Thanks
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Dec 15 17:10:20 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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My messages never came to me. 
Ric
Dadventure
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2023, at 3:45?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result
> I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
> Is my message reaching the list?
> Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?
> 
> Thanks
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Dec 15 22:08:15 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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There is a setting that may be preventing a copy of posts to the list being sent back to the sender.  This setting can be accessed through the email admin page on the website: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-admin.html

At the bottom of this page, click on the button that says ?Unsubscribe or edit options?.

On the next page, you can sign into your account using your email and password.  If you don?t remember your password, there?s a button you can click to have it sent to you.

Once in, the setting that controls this behavior is labeled ?Receive your own posts to the list??.  

Also, you can check to see if your posts are getting through to the list by checking the archive pages: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-archives.html

?Peter

> On Dec 15, 2023, at 3:44 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result
> I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
> Is my message reaching the list?
> Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?
> 
> Thanks
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 08:50:00 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:50:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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Got it Graham.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> Date: 12/15/23  3:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a resultI can't tell if they are reaching the membership.Is my message reaching the list?Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?ThanksGraham Stewartgstewart.gm at gmail.com

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 08:56:08 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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Peter,Regarding settings, my Sender or From name is my email address. I've tried to change it to my name to no effect.Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 12/15/23  10:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Message test There is a setting that may be preventing a copy of posts to the list being sent back to the sender.? This setting can be accessed through the email admin page on the website: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-admin.htmlAt the bottom of this page, click on the button that says ?Unsubscribe or edit options?.On the next page, you can sign into your account using your email and password.? If you don?t remember your password, there?s a button you can click to have it sent to you.Once in, the setting that controls this behavior is labeled ?Receive your own posts to the list??.? Also, you can check to see if your posts are getting through to the list by checking the archive pages: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-archives.html?Peter> On Dec 15, 2023, at 3:44 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:> > Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a result> I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.> Is my message reaching the list?> Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?> > Thanks> Graham Stewart> gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 14:24:52 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 14:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Those are good points. Be sure to check the two 1-1/4" hoses in the lazzarette from the corner drains to the thru Hull openings in the transom. You mentioned the CB gasket, which I believe is your primary culprit, given the amount of water. You said the nuts you could reach seemed dry. Without removing the companionway step, which includes the settee, its nearly impossible to check. Take a coat hanger wire or dowel and fasten a folded up paper towel and probe further back. It will soak up any water on top of the gasket.? There's a good chance the gasket could be dry rotted unless you know it's history.I find it hard to believe, unless you've had a monsoon that you got that much water from topside.Joe DempseyTrojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes22Former Rhodes22Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> Date: 12/15/23  11:13 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Reuben,I? may just be echoing what others have said.The lazarette is not sealed off from the cabin bilge by a bulkhead on anyboat I have heard about. I think Stan commented once about this last yearor so when I asked a question about it. What you may see when you lookforward in the laz, under the cockpit, is the back of the poured inexpanded flotation foam. It may or may not have been glassed or tabbed downto the hull, but water will migrate down through the foam into the cabin.The older and dryer the foam gets it seems, the faster water will get tothe bilge.Some boats have some sort of pipe cut in half lengthwise and laid againstthe hull under the foam, like hollow stringers, forming two tunnels sowater runs directly from the laz to the bilge.But clogged seat drains, and rain water flowing over the lip into the lazis the most likely cause of such a large quantity of water in a short time,unless you find a leak at the CB cap or at the cockpit aft drain thru-hullfitting.Some owners have also noted the (garden) hose that connects the centerboardcap to the cockpit gutter, through which the CB pennant runs is not alwaysconnected at the top/gutter fitting. This would be a very slow leak.These are the first places I would look.And if the seat drains are still the small ?" ID ones, I'd suggestenlarging those fittings to 1" ID.I also made screens from white plastic house gutter guards that fit intothe drain pockets. The enlarged drains along with the screens haveeliminated water in the bilge even when stored uncovered under an oak tree.Todd TOn Thu, Dec 14, 2023, 3:18 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we> really can't tow it till Tuesday>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in> the boat..haven't gone aground> Its a puzzle>> --> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 20:18:10 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 20:18:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
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Peter:

This certainly looked like it might fix the issue but , in fact, the
setting is proper and specifies that my messages will be sent to me. I
re-saved the options and will see if it makes a difference.

Thanks for the detailed instructions.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:14?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> There is a setting that may be preventing a copy of posts to the list
> being sent back to the sender.  This setting can be accessed through the
> email admin page on the website: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-admin.html
>
> At the bottom of this page, click on the button that says ?Unsubscribe or
> edit options?.
>
> On the next page, you can sign into your account using your email and
> password.  If you don?t remember your password, there?s a button you can
> click to have it sent to you.
>
> Once in, the setting that controls this behavior is labeled ?Receive your
> own posts to the list??.
>
> Also, you can check to see if your posts are getting through to the list
> by checking the archive pages: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-archives.html
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Dec 15, 2023, at 3:44 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Messages that I post to the list don't come back to me anymore. As a
> result
> > I can't tell if they are reaching the membership.
> > Is my message reaching the list?
> > Can anyone tell me why my messages are not coming back to me?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Dec 16 20:59:22 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 01:59:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Hi Reuben,

Did you ever get my previous message regarding fresh water vs salt water in the cabin?  The answer to that question will immediately let you know if you are looking for a rainwater leak or a seawater leak.  The answer to this one question will cut the number of things to check on your boat at least in half.

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:38?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Reuben,
> 
> Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 76
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>>> Its a puzzle
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Dec 16 21:19:16 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 21:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
In-Reply-To: <657dac7b.050a0220.f70c9.0b54@mx.google.com>
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Joe,

In truth, I don?t really know much about the inner workings of the Maiman software that makes the list work.  If changing settings on the Admin page didn?t have the effect you wanted, then I?d guess the answer might be in the settings of your email client app.  

In any event, if you always ?sign? you name at the bottom of your posts, then we will alway know who you are.

:)

?Peter

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 8:56 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,Regarding settings, my Sender or From name is my email address. I've tried to change it to my name to no effect.Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 22:56:00 2023
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 19:56:00 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Enough
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuM24kUtDaHaw+ff=fxHSkMY8zVjO5r_-Ab7utxRzZGYqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:

Could we not play with settings in real time? I have a  message from Graham
that I cannot get rid of!

Thanks,
Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 23:54:11 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 22:54:11 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Hey Reuben,
What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel
dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I
know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
into the laz, then into the cabin.

Chris G.
Xenos

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rueben,
> In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the
> bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
> posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit
> seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses
> were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the
> laz.
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> > the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> > bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> > very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> out...checked
> > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
> leak
> > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> leak
> > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> water
> > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> rain
> > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> > We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> > really can't tow it till Tuesday
> >
> > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> > the boat..haven't gone aground
> > Its a puzzle
> >
> > --
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 05:36:47 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 05:36:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <657df98b.050a0220.2da10.1d64@mx.google.com>
References: <CAB-twMMJKdtZqUwpWWmz_uTZisGrqxQmJCQKqO1xyCFdX71Pow@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you Joe...I"ll try the coat hanger trick today (or as soon as the
storm we're having in Sarasota passes)
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:25?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Those are good points. Be sure to check the two 1-1/4" hoses in the
> lazzarette from the corner drains to the thru Hull openings in the transom.
> You mentioned the CB gasket, which I believe is your primary culprit, given
> the amount of water. You said the nuts you could reach seemed dry. Without
> removing the companionway step, which includes the settee, its nearly
> impossible to check. Take a coat hanger wire or dowel and fasten a folded
> up paper towel and probe further back. It will soak up any water on top of
> the gasket.  There's a good chance the gasket could be dry rotted unless
> you know it's history.I find it hard to believe, unless you've had a
> monsoon that you got that much water from topside.Joe DempseyTrojan 42
> MYM/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes22Former Rhodes22Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23
> 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares <
> tavares0947 at gmail.com> Date: 12/15/23  11:13 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Reuben,I  may just be echoing what
> others have said.The lazarette is not sealed off from the cabin bilge by a
> bulkhead on anyboat I have heard about. I think Stan commented once about
> this last yearor so when I asked a question about it. What you may see when
> you lookforward in the laz, under the cockpit, is the back of the poured
> inexpanded flotation foam. It may or may not have been glassed or tabbed
> downto the hull, but water will migrate down through the foam into the
> cabin.The older and dryer the foam gets it seems, the faster water will get
> tothe bilge.Some boats have some sort of pipe cut in half lengthwise and
> laid againstthe hull under the foam, like hollow stringers, forming two
> tunnels sowater runs directly from the laz to the bilge.But clogged seat
> drains, and rain water flowing over the lip into the lazis the most likely
> cause of such a large quantity of water in a short time,unless you find a
> leak at the CB cap or at the cockpit aft drain thru-hullfitting.Some owners
> have also noted the (garden) hose that connects the centerboardcap to the
> cockpit gutter, through which the CB pennant runs is not alwaysconnected at
> the top/gutter fitting. This would be a very slow leak.These are the first
> places I would look.And if the seat drains are still the small ?" ID ones,
> I'd suggestenlarging those fittings to 1" ID.I also made screens from white
> plastic house gutter guards that fit intothe drain pockets. The enlarged
> drains along with the screens haveeliminated water in the bilge even when
> stored uncovered under an oak tree.Todd TOn Thu, Dec 14, 2023, 3:18 PM
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> This morning a friend
> called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to> the boat there was
> about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> bottom of the
> cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a> very low
> tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked> the two
> through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak> seen.
> inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak> at
> any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the> furthest
> aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water> in the
> lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of> the boat
> and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain>
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...>
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>
> really can't tow it till Tuesday>> Any thoughts on where else to look for
> leaks. I haven't put any holes in> the boat..haven't gone aground> Its a
> puzzle>> --> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> and Back Bay, Boston>
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Dec 17 08:45:37 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 08:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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I just bailed a ton of rain water. Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat covered just in time for today?s coastal storm.
Scott & Rebecca sv Pantailaimon 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Reuben,
> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel
> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I
> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
> your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
> into the laz, then into the cabin.
> 
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Rueben,
>> In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the
>> bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
>> posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit
>> seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses
>> were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the
>> laz.
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
>> out...checked
>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
>> leak
>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
>> leak
>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
>> water
>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
>> rain
>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
>>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>>> Its a puzzle
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>> 
>> 


From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 10:35:38 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 10:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Hey Chris
One battery (#1, the one next to the head) is toast, with some sort of foam
bubbling out of it). The other (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. I
had a battery charger under the settee which I expect is gone. I'm worried
about the battery for my ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged but
probably got a bit wet.
When I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found that
the flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort of
pressboard or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll have
to replace that with plywood and probably a veneer.
I will be installing a bilge pump with a float and plumbing it into the
sink drain...something about closing the barn door.....
TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this week...since I'm still
floating and with the really bad storms we're having, they wanted to wait.

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Reuben,
> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel
> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I
> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
> your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
> into the laz, then into the cabin.
>
> Chris G.
> Xenos
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rueben,
> > In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to
> the
> > bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
> > posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the
> cockpit
> > seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses
> > were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into
> the
> > laz.
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got
> to
> > > the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> > > bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it
> was a
> > > very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> > out...checked
> > > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
> > leak
> > > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> > leak
> > > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> > > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> > water
> > > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest
> of
> > > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> > rain
> > > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> > > We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> > > really can't tow it till Tuesday
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes
> in
> > > the boat..haven't gone aground
> > > Its a puzzle
> > >
> > > --
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> >
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 11:29:38 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 11:29:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Enough
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Shawn:

I don't know what "play with settings in real time" means. Is  it something
that I did?

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:56?PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> Could we not play with settings in real time? I have a  message from Graham
> that I cannot get rid of!
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 11:44:07 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 11:44:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message test
In-Reply-To: <00AC97EA-936B-4093-8EFB-81E7718D1F03@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <657f255a.050a0220.df4ff.3e68@mx.google.com>

Thanks Peter.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 12/16/23  9:19 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Message test Joe,In truth, I don?t really know much about the inner workings of the Maiman software that makes the list work.? If changing settings on the Admin page didn?t have the effect you wanted, then I?d guess the answer might be in the settings of your email client app.? In any event, if you always ?sign? you name at the bottom of your posts, then we will alway know who you are.:)?Peter> On Dec 16, 2023, at 8:56 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> > Peter,Regarding settings, my Sender or From name is my email address. I've tried to change it to my name to no effect.Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 11:55:26 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 11:55:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mu7AhYREFh-maq7_KHTU9igOfzc-EH4c2rcd62s-sz0fg@mail.gmail.com>
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Also? feel all along the underside of the CB cap flange.Joe?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  5:44 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Thank you Joe...I"ll try the coat hanger trick today (or as soon as thestorm we're having in Sarasota passes)--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:25?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> Those are good points. Be sure to check the two 1-1/4" hoses in the> lazzarette from the corner drains to the thru Hull openings in the transom.> You mentioned the CB gasket, which I believe is your primary culprit, given> the amount of water. You said the nuts you could reach seemed dry. Without> removing the companionway step, which includes the settee, its nearly> impossible to check. Take a coat hanger wire or dowel and fasten a folded> up paper towel and probe further back. It will soak up any water on top of> the gasket.? There's a good chance the gasket could be dry rotted unless> you know it's history.I find it hard to believe, unless you've had a> monsoon that you got that much water from topside.Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes22Former Rhodes22Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23> 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares <> tavares0947 at gmail.com> Date: 12/15/23? 11:13 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Reuben,I? may just be echoing what> others have said.The lazarette is not sealed off from the cabin bilge by a> bulkhead on anyboat I have heard about. I think Stan commented once about> this last yearor so when I asked a question about it. What you may see when> you lookforward in the laz, under the cockpit, is the back of the poured> inexpanded flotation foam. It may or may not have been glassed or tabbed> downto the hull, but water will migrate down through the foam into the> cabin.The older and dryer the foam gets it seems, the faster water will get> tothe bilge.Some boats have some sort of pipe cut in half lengthwise and> laid againstthe hull under the foam, like hollow stringers, forming two> tunnels sowater runs directly from the laz to the bilge.But clogged seat> drains, and rain water flowing over the lip into the lazis the most likely> cause of such a large quantity of water in a short time,unless you find a> leak at the CB cap or at the cockpit aft drain thru-hullfitting.Some owners> have also noted the (garden) hose that connects the centerboardcap to the> cockpit gutter, through which the CB pennant runs is not alwaysconnected at> the top/gutter fitting. This would be a very slow leak.These are the first> places I would look.And if the seat drains are still the small ?" ID ones,> I'd suggestenlarging those fittings to 1" ID.I also made screens from white> plastic house gutter guards that fit intothe drain pockets. The enlarged> drains along with the screens haveeliminated water in the bilge even when> stored uncovered under an oak tree.Todd TOn Thu, Dec 14, 2023, 3:18 PM> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> This morning a friend> called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to> the boat there was> about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> bottom of the> cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a> very low> tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked> the two> through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak> seen.> inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak> at> any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the> furthest> aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water> in the> lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of> the boat> and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>> really can't tow it till Tuesday>> Any thoughts on where else to look for> leaks. I haven't put any holes in> the boat..haven't gone aground> Its a> puzzle>> --> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota> and Back Bay, Boston>>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 12:11:47 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 12:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <udr3icddqmegrg572cn0vaq5.1702832214903@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <657f2bda.ca0a0220.34324.6636@mx.google.com>

With all the rain your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into the cockpit will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette underneath the hatch.? It's probably too late now, but I followed a suggestion of a Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping around the lazarette opening to seal the gap between the opening and the hatch cover. I used a soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my local hardware store.Also, this is a good opportunity to determine up or down. If the cabin doesn't flood after this storm, you'll know it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water. Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat covered just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv Pantailaimon Sent from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?? Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.? I> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your seat? drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into the laz, then into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>> bilge.? Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I>> posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit>> seats through the lazarette to the stern.? On my 1989 the flexible hoses>> were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water>> out...checked>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>> leak>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also>> water>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much>> rain>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>> Its a puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> >> 

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 17 12:25:37 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 12:25:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mvES=FsF_9=7tzuz2kPcguz3iJ98MQcTHD2MkGTD0-=tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHrO9mvES=FsF_9=7tzuz2kPcguz3iJ98MQcTHD2MkGTD0-=tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Reuben,

I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0+  1kw/3hp, you may have the same - the removable battery floats so it should be fine. 

Larry 
?86 R22
Keystone Lake
Odessa FL

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:35?AM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Chris
> One battery (#1, the one next to the head) is toast, with some sort of foam
> bubbling out of it). The other (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. I
> had a battery charger under the settee which I expect is gone. I'm worried
> about the battery for my ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged but
> probably got a bit wet.
> When I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found that
> the flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort of
> pressboard or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll have
> to replace that with plywood and probably a veneer.
> I will be installing a bilge pump with a float and plumbing it into the
> sink drain...something about closing the barn door.....
> TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this week...since I'm still
> floating and with the really bad storms we're having, they wanted to wait.
> 
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Reuben,
>> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel
>> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I
>> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
>> your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
>> into the laz, then into the cabin.
>> 
>> Chris G.
>> Xenos
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rueben,
>>> In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to
>> the
>>> bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
>>> posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the
>> cockpit
>>> seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses
>>> were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into
>> the
>>> laz.
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got
>> to
>>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
>>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it
>> was a
>>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
>>> out...checked
>>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
>>> leak
>>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
>>> leak
>>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
>>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
>>> water
>>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest
>> of
>>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
>>> rain
>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
>>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
>>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes
>> in
>>>> the boat..haven't gone aground
>>>> Its a puzzle
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:36:34 2023
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 10:36:34 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Enough
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT74_Nvn5ny-kD-T5HqJy-Z1OJfTG=OchPCHv0VOtrW6QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzGxuM24kUtDaHaw+ff=fxHSkMY8zVjO5r_-Ab7utxRzZGYqw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACdaeT74_Nvn5ny-kD-T5HqJy-Z1OJfTG=OchPCHv0VOtrW6QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNQrGZj_3Lv+3F6VHZkA8_GjYco=8OXgtBhbjzSWELUwg@mail.gmail.com>

Graham:

No, I don't know how it happened, except somebody changed something,
somewhere. Thanks for  asking. I'm just getting cranky about balky
technology. I guess it's a miracle that works at all.

I was able to delete the message by restarting my phone.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo



On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 8:39 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shawn:
>
> I don't know what "play with settings in real time" means. Is  it something
> that I did?
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:56?PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all:
> >
> > Could we not play with settings in real time? I have a  message from
> Graham
> > that I cannot get rid of!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shawn
> >
> > s/v Sweet Baboo
> >
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:36:18 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <ur52u4g7n0qoumg9vbfnp3j4.1702833249166@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <657f3fcf.050a0220.45221.5317@mx.google.com>

Reuben,Yes, I'm not surprised about your cabin sole. I have seen OSB in some boats, TOTALLY unprofessional on the verge of fraud! Respite had exterior grade CDX sub-floore. It was totally rotted. I replaced with 5 ply marine grade fir plywood, and I pre-treated top and bottom with Woodlife wood preservative (I couldn't find Cuprinol Green which is much better) I covered that with Marine grade 1/4" teak and holly plywood which I treated the underside with Woodlife. I finished the upper surface with 3 coats of Helmsman clear gloss spar varnish. I've enclosed photos from my project.? Notice I also replaced the entire settee with marine grade fir. This is a good opportunity to pull the CB cap off and fully inspect the gasket. Mine was dry rotted and actually had a hole in it (photo enclosed). If the bolts are showing rust, I'd replace them. There are 50+ of them. You'll need? 1-1/4"?1/4"-20 thread, 316 grade stainless hexhead screws. Be sure to use fender washers top and bottom (100+), lock washers and hex nuts on the bottom. You can get them from McMaster-Carr. Below is my drawing for replacing the subfloor. I would hope that the measurements would work for your vessel, but you should confirm them.? The original floor came out as two long sections with cutouts for the inspection hatch and the CB trunk. I made mine into six sections making it much easier to re-install. Check the kick plate on the galley side. You'll probably have to remove/replace it also. There are ledger strips for supporting the edges of the floor along port and starboard sides. Those measurements are also shown. If you have to replace them, treat with Woodlife or Cuprinol. If this version doesn't print out very well I can resend a better file. Contact me offline.?I'm going to post sections from my World Famous Rhodes 22 Project Manual on the cabin sole and Centerboard Trunk in a separate titled post.Hope this helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  10:35 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Hey ChrisOne battery (#1, the one next to the head) is toast, with some sort of foambubbling out of it). The other (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. Ihad a battery charger under the settee which I expect is gone. I'm worriedabout the battery for my ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged butprobably got a bit wet.When I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found thatthe flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort ofpressboard or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll haveto replace that with plywood and probably a veneer.I will be installing a bilge pump with a float and plumbing it into thesink drain...something about closing the barn door.....TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this week...since I'm stillfloating and with the really bad storms we're having, they wanted to wait.Reuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>wrote:> Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?? Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.? I> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your seat? drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into the laz, then into the cabin.>> Chris G.> Xenos>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Rueben,> > In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to> the> > bilge.? Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I> > posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the> cockpit> > seats through the lazarette to the stern.? On my 1989 the flexible hoses> > were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into> the> > laz.> > Patrick> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> >> > wrote:> >> > > This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got> to> > > the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> > > bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it> was a> > > very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water> > out...checked> > > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no> > leak> > > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a> > leak> > > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the> > > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also> > water> > > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest> of> > > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much> > rain> > > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...> > > We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we> > > really can't tow it till Tuesday> > >> > > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes> in> > > the boat..haven't gone aground> > > Its a puzzle> > >> > > --> > > Reuben Mezrich> > > cell: 410-499-8922> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston> > >> >>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:49:21 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:49:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <657f2bda.ca0a0220.34324.6636@mx.google.com>
References: <udr3icddqmegrg572cn0vaq5.1702832214903@email.android.com>
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Joe
No new water entered the cabin or lazerette even with the considerable rain
and wind so I'm convinced the water came from below...no more water seems
to be accumulating but I'll keep watching.
How do I inspect under the V-Berth?

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> With all the rain your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into
> the cockpit will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not
> cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette underneath
> the hatch.  It's probably too late now, but I followed a suggestion of a
> Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping around the lazarette
> opening to seal the gap between the opening and the hatch cover. I used a
> soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my local hardware store.Also, this
> is a good opportunity to determine up or down. If the cabin doesn't flood
> after this storm, you'll know it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42
> MYM/V VoyagerSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.
> Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat covered
> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv Pantailaimon Sent
> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.
> Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge then
> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know easier said
> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your seat  drains
> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into the laz, then
> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <
> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly all of our boats
> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>> bilge.  Unlikely that
> that much water came through that path but as I>> posted a few weeks ago,
> check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit>> seats through the
> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses>> were
> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the>>
> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>> This morning a friend called and
> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was about a foot
> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the cushions) and the
> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a
> pump and got most of the water>> out...checked>>> the two through hulls for
> the head and the one in the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the
> top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>> leak>>> at any of the
> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the>>> furthest aft). There
> still appears to be a slow leak. There was also>> water>>> in the lazerette
> but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of>>> the boat and no
> idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much>> rain>>>
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...>>>
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>
> really can't tow it till Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look
> for leaks. I haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>
> Its a puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican
> Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> >>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:52:32 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:52:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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I actually have the Navy 3 with the E80 (4kwha) battery. The battery is
standing vertically (connectors on top) and the water seemed to stay below
the top so it might be oK..I have an email into ePropulsion service and to
Mastry (who sold me the system) but so far no respnse
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:25?PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hey Reuben,
>
> I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0+  1kw/3hp, you may have the same - the
> removable battery floats so it should be fine.
>
> Larry
> ?86 R22
> Keystone Lake
> Odessa FL
>
> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:35?AM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hey Chris
> > One battery (#1, the one next to the head) is toast, with some sort of
> foam
> > bubbling out of it). The other (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. I
> > had a battery charger under the settee which I expect is gone. I'm
> worried
> > about the battery for my ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged but
> > probably got a bit wet.
> > When I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found
> that
> > the flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort of
> > pressboard or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll
> have
> > to replace that with plywood and probably a veneer.
> > I will be installing a bilge pump with a float and plumbing it into the
> > sink drain...something about closing the barn door.....
> > TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this week...since I'm still
> > floating and with the really bad storms we're having, they wanted to
> wait.
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Reuben,
> >> What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper
> towel
> >> dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.
> I
> >> know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
> >> your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
> >> into the laz, then into the cabin.
> >>
> >> Chris G.
> >> Xenos
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rueben,
> >>> In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to
> >> the
> >>> bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
> >>> posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the
> >> cockpit
> >>> seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible
> hoses
> >>> were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into
> >> the
> >>> laz.
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got
> >> to
> >>>> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to
> the
> >>>> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it
> >> was a
> >>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> >>> out...checked
> >>>> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
> >>> leak
> >>>> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> >>> leak
> >>>> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> >>>> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> >>> water
> >>>> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest
> >> of
> >>>> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> >>> rain
> >>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked
> it...
> >>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says
> we
> >>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday
> >>>>
> >>>> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes
> >> in
> >>>> the boat..haven't gone aground
> >>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:56:56 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <657f3fcf.050a0220.45221.5317@mx.google.com>
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Joe
This is fantastic
Thanks
--Reuben

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 1:37?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reuben,Yes, I'm not surprised about your cabin sole. I have seen OSB in
> some boats, TOTALLY unprofessional on the verge of fraud! Respite had
> exterior grade CDX sub-floore. It was totally rotted. I replaced with 5 ply
> marine grade fir plywood, and I pre-treated top and bottom with Woodlife
> wood preservative (I couldn't find Cuprinol Green which is much better) I
> covered that with Marine grade 1/4" teak and holly plywood which I treated
> the underside with Woodlife. I finished the upper surface with 3 coats of
> Helmsman clear gloss spar varnish. I've enclosed photos from my project.
> Notice I also replaced the entire settee with marine grade fir. This is a
> good opportunity to pull the CB cap off and fully inspect the gasket. Mine
> was dry rotted and actually had a hole in it (photo enclosed). If the bolts
> are showing rust, I'd replace them. There are 50+ of them. You'll need
> 1-1/4"?1/4"-20 thread, 316 grade stainless hexhead screws. Be sure to use
> fender washers top and bottom (100+), lock washers and hex nuts on the
> bottom. You can get them from McMaster-Carr. Below is my drawing for
> replacing the subfloor. I would hope that the measurements would work for
> your vessel, but you should confirm them.  The original floor came out as
> two long sections with cutouts for the inspection hatch and the CB trunk. I
> made mine into six sections making it much easier to re-install. Check the
> kick plate on the galley side. You'll probably have to remove/replace it
> also. There are ledger strips for supporting the edges of the floor along
> port and starboard sides. Those measurements are also shown. If you have to
> replace them, treat with Woodlife or Cuprinol. If this version doesn't
> print out very well I can resend a better file. Contact me offline. I'm
> going to post sections from my World Famous Rhodes 22 Project Manual on the
> cabin sole and Centerboard Trunk in a separate titled post.Hope this
> helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  10:35 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Hey ChrisOne battery (#1, the one next
> to the head) is toast, with some sort of foambubbling out of it). The other
> (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. Ihad a battery charger under the
> settee which I expect is gone. I'm worriedabout the battery for my
> ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged butprobably got a bit wet.When
> I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found thatthe
> flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort ofpressboard
> or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll haveto replace
> that with plywood and probably a veneer.I will be installing a bilge pump
> with a float and plumbing it into thesink drain...something about closing
> the barn door.....TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this
> week...since I'm stillfloating and with the really bad storms we're having,
> they wanted to wait.Reuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in
> Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris
> Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>wrote:> Hey Reuben,> What Patrick
> says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the
> bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know
> easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your
> seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into
> the laz, then into the cabin.>> Chris G.> Xenos>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at
> 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Rueben,> > In nearly all
> of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to> the> > bilge.
> Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I> > posted a
> few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the> cockpit> > seats
> through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses> > were
> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into> the> >
> laz.> > Patrick> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> >> > wrote:> >> > > This morning a friend
> called and said my boat was sinking...When I got> to> > > the boat there
> was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> > > bottom of the
> cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it> was a> > > very low
> tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water> > out...checked> > >
> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no> >
> leak> > > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence
> of a> > leak> > > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two
> at the> > > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was
> also> > water> > > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate
> from the rest> of> > > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There
> hasn't been much> > rain> > > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the
> last time I checked it...> > > We're having some storms here in Sarasota
> and the TowBoatUS guy says we> > > really can't tow it till Tuesday> > >> >
> > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes>
> in> > > the boat..haven't gone aground> > > Its a puzzle> > >> > > --> > >
> Reuben Mezrich> > > cell: 410-499-8922> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and
> Back Bay, Boston> > >> >>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 16:40:42 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Reuben,? There should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves as the aft portion beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite acrylic hinged in the middle creating two leaves to permit access to the fresh water tank and the seacock (which could be your culprit if you haven't checked it yet) for the head on the starboard side forward of the head and the black water holding tank on the port. There are just two screws holding it in place if you need to remove it, which you shouldn't. Lift one of the leaves and look in. Have a good flashlight. Any water in the forward section should drain aft to the CB area.?BTW, I didn't mention the Rule low profile automatic bilge pump that I installed nicely below the inspection hatch forward of the CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to the starboard side. I had to cut out thru the floor just in front of the galley. I installed a 'T' in the sink drain that I connected the bilge hose to. I did not install a anti siphon loop because I think the open sink drain serves the purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin or lazerette even with the considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced the water came from below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but I'll keep watching.How do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not> cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette underneath> the hatch.? It's probably too late now, but I followed a suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap between the opening and the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my local hardware store.Also, this> is a good opportunity to determine up or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after this storm, you'll know it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V VoyagerSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23? 8:45 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.> Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat covered> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv Pantailaimon Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.> Were your batteries OK?? Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge then> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.? I> know easier said> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your seat? drains> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into the laz, then> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>> bilge.? Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>> posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.? On my 1989 the flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>> This morning a friend called and> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was about a foot> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the cushions) and the> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low tide)...I borrowed a> pump and got most of the water>> out...checked>>> the two through hulls for> the head and the one in the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the> top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>> leak>>> at any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the>>> furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was also>> water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for leaks. I haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>> Its a puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> >>>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 10:19:06 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:19:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Joe
I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth except the leaves
on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port side and the
lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard side by Charles
Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery into that area).
But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be fiberglass molded
into the bow, extending from the bow back to the compartment with the
holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of the boat. I don't see
a way to actually see the hull at the forward portion of the boat or rinse
out the salt water that I'm sure was there. (when I first got to the boat
when I was told it was sinking it was indeed "bow down" and hanging on its
lines.

By the way, what I thought was Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found a
label on the back of one of the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is "Cement
board is a backer board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh and is
supposed to be unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was put in
by a previous owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and left in
place by Stan..I take that as good news.

--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 4:41?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reuben,  There should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves as
> the aft portion beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite acrylic
> hinged in the middle creating two leaves to permit access to the fresh
> water tank and the seacock (which could be your culprit if you haven't
> checked it yet) for the head on the starboard side forward of the head and
> the black water holding tank on the port. There are just two screws holding
> it in place if you need to remove it, which you shouldn't. Lift one of the
> leaves and look in. Have a good flashlight. Any water in the forward
> section should drain aft to the CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule low
> profile automatic bilge pump that I installed nicely below the inspection
> hatch forward of the CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to the starboard
> side. I had to cut out thru the floor just in front of the galley. I
> installed a 'T' in the sink drain that I connected the bilge hose to. I did
> not install a anti siphon loop because I think the open sink drain serves
> the purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an
> AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin or
> lazerette even with the considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced the
> water came from below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but I'll keep
> watching.How do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:
> 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 17,
> 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain
> your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit will
> overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not> cleared/enlarged. Also
> water will overflow into the lazarrette underneath> the hatch.  It's
> probably too late now, but I followed a suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List
> and installed weatherstripping around the lazarette> opening to seal the
> gap between the opening and the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam)
> rubber stick-on w/s from my local hardware store.Also, this> is a good
> opportunity to determine up or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after this
> storm, you'll know it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V
> VoyagerSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> --------
> Original message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <>
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The>
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:>
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.>
> Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat covered>
> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv Pantailaimon
> Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis <>
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.>
> Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge
> then> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know easier
> said> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your seat
> drains> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into the
> laz, then> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at
> 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly all
> of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>> bilge.
> Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>> posted a
> few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the cockpit>> seats
> through the> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses>> were>
> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into the>>>
> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <>
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>> This morning a friend called
> and> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was about a
> foot> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the cushions)
> and the> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low tide)...I
> borrowed a> pump and got most of the water>> out...checked>>> the two
> through hulls for> the head and the one in the lazerette and no>> leak>>>
> seen. inspected the> top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>
> leak>>> at any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the>>>
> furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was also>>
> water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be separate from the
> rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the water got there...There hasn't
> been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last
> time I checked it...>>>> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the
> TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't tow it till Tuesday>>> >>> Any
> thoughts on where else to look> for leaks. I haven't put any holes in>>>
> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>> Its a puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben
> Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay,
> Boston>>> >>>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 13:50:47 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:50:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Reuben,
The molded portion under the V-berth area encloses the flotation foam. Respite always had a bow down configuration relative to the waterline. Don't know the cause, could have been water there or it was its normal  orientation. I don?t know how one could inspect in there. Stan or someone on the list, Roger Pihlaja seems to be a good go to, but so is Peter Nyberg, to ask. BTW, do you have much water in the anchor rode tray in the V-berth?

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Reuben Mezrich
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 10:19 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Joe
I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth except the leaves on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port side and the lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard side by Charles Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery into that area).
But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be fiberglass molded into the bow, extending from the bow back to the compartment with the holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of the boat. I don't see a way to actually see the hull at the forward portion of the boat or rinse out the salt water that I'm sure was there. (when I first got to the boat when I was told it was sinking it was indeed "bow down" and hanging on its lines.

By the way, what I thought was Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found a label on the back of one of the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is "Cement board is a backer board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh and is supposed to be unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was put in by a previous owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and left in place by Stan..I take that as good news.

--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 4:41?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reuben,  There should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves 
> as the aft portion beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite 
> acrylic hinged in the middle creating two leaves to permit access to 
> the fresh water tank and the seacock (which could be your culprit if 
> you haven't checked it yet) for the head on the starboard side forward 
> of the head and the black water holding tank on the port. There are 
> just two screws holding it in place if you need to remove it, which 
> you shouldn't. Lift one of the leaves and look in. Have a good 
> flashlight. Any water in the forward section should drain aft to the 
> CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule low profile automatic bilge 
> pump that I installed nicely below the inspection hatch forward of the 
> CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to the starboard side. I had to cut 
> out thru the floor just in front of the galley. I installed a 'T' in 
> the sink drain that I connected the bilge hose to. I did not install a 
> anti siphon loop because I think the open sink drain serves the 
> purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an 
> AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich < 
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The 
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin 
> or lazerette even with the considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced 
> the water came from below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but 
> I'll keep watching.How do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:
> 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 
> 17,
> 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain 
> your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit 
> will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not> 
> cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette 
> underneath> the hatch.  It's probably too late now, but I followed a 
> suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping 
> around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap between the opening and 
> the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my 
> local hardware store.Also, this> is a good opportunity to determine up 
> or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after this storm, you'll know 
> it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V VoyagerSent via 
> the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original 
> message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <> 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
> The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> 
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.> 
> Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat 
> covered> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv 
> Pantailaimon
> Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis 
> Sent> <>
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.> 
> Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge
> then> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know 
> then> easier
> said> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your 
> said> seat
> drains> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into 
> drains> the
> laz, then> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 
> at
> 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly 
> all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>> bilge.
> Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>> 
> posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the 
> cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the 
> flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water 
> from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 
> at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>> 
> This morning a friend called
> and> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was 
> and> about a
> foot> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the 
> foot> cushions)
> and the> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low 
> tide)...I borrowed a> pump and got most of the water>> 
> out...checked>>> the two through hulls for> the head and the one in 
> the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the> top of the 
> centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>
> leak>>> at any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at 
> leak>>> the>>>
> furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was 
> also>>
> water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be separate from 
> water>>> the
> rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the water got there...There 
> hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was 
> the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some storms here in 
> Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't tow it till 
> Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for leaks. I 
> haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>> Its a 
> puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben
> Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back 
> Mezrich>>> Bay,
> Boston>>> >>>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 14:33:48 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 14:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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The boat normally doesn't have a "bow down" configuration and once the
water was pumped out it floats pretty level.
i finally got a digital salinity meter (th#1 house battery was damaged and
I have no idea what's in the water so i decided not to taste it0. In any
event it is salt water, in fact the salinity is a bit higher than that in
the water that the boat is floating in...probably due to some evaporation
since it flooded in. Also, no new water came in during the torrential rains
we had this weekend.

Regarding the bilge pump, did you drill holes for the drain hose through
the stringers in the bilge or what?
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 1:50?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reuben,
> The molded portion under the V-berth area encloses the flotation foam.
> Respite always had a bow down configuration relative to the waterline.
> Don't know the cause, could have been water there or it was its normal
> orientation. I don?t know how one could inspect in there. Stan or someone
> on the list, Roger Pihlaja seems to be a good go to, but so is Peter
> Nyberg, to ask. BTW, do you have much water in the anchor rode tray in the
> V-berth?
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Reuben Mezrich
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 10:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>
> Joe
> I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth except the
> leaves on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port side and the
> lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard side by Charles
> Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery into that area).
> But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be fiberglass molded
> into the bow, extending from the bow back to the compartment with the
> holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of the boat. I don't see
> a way to actually see the hull at the forward portion of the boat or rinse
> out the salt water that I'm sure was there. (when I first got to the boat
> when I was told it was sinking it was indeed "bow down" and hanging on its
> lines.
>
> By the way, what I thought was Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found
> a label on the back of one of the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is
> "Cement board is a backer board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh
> and is supposed to be unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was
> put in by a previous owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and
> left in place by Stan..I take that as good news.
>
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 4:41?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Reuben,  There should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves
> > as the aft portion beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite
> > acrylic hinged in the middle creating two leaves to permit access to
> > the fresh water tank and the seacock (which could be your culprit if
> > you haven't checked it yet) for the head on the starboard side forward
> > of the head and the black water holding tank on the port. There are
> > just two screws holding it in place if you need to remove it, which
> > you shouldn't. Lift one of the leaves and look in. Have a good
> > flashlight. Any water in the forward section should drain aft to the
> > CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule low profile automatic bilge
> > pump that I installed nicely below the inspection hatch forward of the
> > CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to the starboard side. I had to cut
> > out thru the floor just in front of the galley. I installed a 'T' in
> > the sink drain that I connected the bilge hose to. I did not install a
> > anti siphon loop because I think the open sink drain serves the
> > purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an
> > AT&T 5G smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> > Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin
> > or lazerette even with the considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced
> > the water came from below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but
> > I'll keep watching.How do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:
> > 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec
> > 17,
> > 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain
> > your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit
> > will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not>
> > cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette
> > underneath> the hatch.  It's probably too late now, but I followed a
> > suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping
> > around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap between the opening and
> > the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my
> > local hardware store.Also, this> is a good opportunity to determine up
> > or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after this storm, you'll know
> > it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V VoyagerSent via
> > the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original
> > message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <>
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> > The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:>
> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.>
> > Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat
> > covered> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv
> > Pantailaimon
> > Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis
> > Sent> <>
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.>
> > Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge
> > then> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know
> > then> easier
> > said> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your
> > said> seat
> > drains> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into
> > drains> the
> > laz, then> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023
> > at
> > 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly
> > all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>>
> bilge.
> > Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>>
> > posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the
> > cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the
> > flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water
> > from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023
> > at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>>
> > This morning a friend called
> > and> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was
> > and> about a
> > foot> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the
> > foot> cushions)
> > and the> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low
> > tide)...I borrowed a> pump and got most of the water>>
> > out...checked>>> the two through hulls for> the head and the one in
> > the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the> top of the
> > centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>
> > leak>>> at any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at
> > leak>>> the>>>
> > furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was
> > also>>
> > water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be separate from
> > water>>> the
> > rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the water got there...There
> > hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was
> > the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some storms here in
> > Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't tow it till
> > Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for leaks. I
> > haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>> Its a
> > puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben
> > Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back
> > Mezrich>>> Bay,
> > Boston>>> >>>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 19:04:09 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Hey Reuben, just saw this email. Damn, sorry to hear about the batteries.
 (12v). Glad the big 48v survived. Did you check to see if it was
discharged?  Those lithium batters can do weird (exothermic) things if
submerge. It had its own special charger if I recall correctly. Was it ok?
Nicks/ my boat has the same battery layout as yours (12v). Also
unfortunately, the Catalina 387 has all the batteries under the cabin sole.
Shudder to think what the amount of Hydrogen and chlorine gas would be
released under similar circumstances. Will be at the boat in Ft. Pierce in
a day or two. Hope to get it in the water and over to the Bahamas in a
month or 6 weeks. We shall see.
Chris

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 10:35?AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Chris
> One battery (#1, the one next to the head) is toast, with some sort of foam
> bubbling out of it). The other (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. I
> had a battery charger under the settee which I expect is gone. I'm worried
> about the battery for my ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged but
> probably got a bit wet.
> When I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found that
> the flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort of
> pressboard or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll have
> to replace that with plywood and probably a veneer.
> I will be installing a bilge pump with a float and plumbing it into the
> sink drain...something about closing the barn door.....
> TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this week...since I'm still
> floating and with the really bad storms we're having, they wanted to wait.
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Reuben,
> > What Patrick says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper
> towel
> > dry the bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I
> > know easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If
> > your seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows
> > into the laz, then into the cabin.
> >
> > Chris G.
> > Xenos
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Rueben,
> > > In nearly all of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to
> > the
> > > bilge.  Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I
> > > posted a few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the
> > cockpit
> > > seats through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible
> hoses
> > > were cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into
> > the
> > > laz.
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I
> got
> > to
> > > > the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to
> the
> > > > bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it
> > was a
> > > > very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> > > out...checked
> > > > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and
> no
> > > leak
> > > > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> > > leak
> > > > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> > > > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> > > water
> > > > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest
> > of
> > > > the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> > > rain
> > > > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked
> it...
> > > > We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says
> we
> > > > really can't tow it till Tuesday
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes
> > in
> > > > the boat..haven't gone aground
> > > > Its a puzzle
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 19:12:44 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:12:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Gee Joe, that is a wonderful job. Good work!  Reuben, now that is a project
you can sink your teeth into. Your boat?s interior will look as nice as
your IP!

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 1:57?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Joe
> This is fantastic
> Thanks
> --Reuben
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 1:37?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Reuben,Yes, I'm not surprised about your cabin sole. I have seen OSB in
> > some boats, TOTALLY unprofessional on the verge of fraud! Respite had
> > exterior grade CDX sub-floore. It was totally rotted. I replaced with 5
> ply
> > marine grade fir plywood, and I pre-treated top and bottom with Woodlife
> > wood preservative (I couldn't find Cuprinol Green which is much better) I
> > covered that with Marine grade 1/4" teak and holly plywood which I
> treated
> > the underside with Woodlife. I finished the upper surface with 3 coats of
> > Helmsman clear gloss spar varnish. I've enclosed photos from my project.
> > Notice I also replaced the entire settee with marine grade fir. This is a
> > good opportunity to pull the CB cap off and fully inspect the gasket.
> Mine
> > was dry rotted and actually had a hole in it (photo enclosed). If the
> bolts
> > are showing rust, I'd replace them. There are 50+ of them. You'll need
> > 1-1/4"?1/4"-20 thread, 316 grade stainless hexhead screws. Be sure to use
> > fender washers top and bottom (100+), lock washers and hex nuts on the
> > bottom. You can get them from McMaster-Carr. Below is my drawing for
> > replacing the subfloor. I would hope that the measurements would work for
> > your vessel, but you should confirm them.  The original floor came out as
> > two long sections with cutouts for the inspection hatch and the CB
> trunk. I
> > made mine into six sections making it much easier to re-install. Check
> the
> > kick plate on the galley side. You'll probably have to remove/replace it
> > also. There are ledger strips for supporting the edges of the floor along
> > port and starboard sides. Those measurements are also shown. If you have
> to
> > replace them, treat with Woodlife or Cuprinol. If this version doesn't
> > print out very well I can resend a better file. Contact me offline. I'm
> > going to post sections from my World Famous Rhodes 22 Project Manual on
> the
> > cabin sole and Centerboard Trunk in a separate titled post.Hope this
> > helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerDeltaville, VASent via the
> Samsung
> > Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23  10:35 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> > Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin Hey ChrisOne battery (#1, the one next
> > to the head) is toast, with some sort of foambubbling out of it). The
> other
> > (#2) is visually OK but haven't tested. Ihad a battery charger under the
> > settee which I expect is gone. I'm worriedabout the battery for my
> > ePropulsion outboard which wasn't submerged butprobably got a bit
> wet.When
> > I took up the flooring to have a better look at the bilge I found thatthe
> > flooring material was not plywood but appeared to be some sort
> ofpressboard
> > or particle board..strange material to use in a boat..I'll haveto replace
> > that with plywood and probably a veneer.I will be installing a bilge pump
> > with a float and plumbing it into thesink drain...something about closing
> > the barn door.....TowBoatUS will be towing me to a marina later this
> > week...since I'm stillfloating and with the really bad storms we're
> having,
> > they wanted to wait.Reuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in
> > Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:19?AM Chris
> > Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>wrote:> Hey Reuben,> What Patrick
> > says. Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the
> > bilge then lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.  I> know
> > easier said than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your
> > seat  drains get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into
> > the laz, then into the cabin.>> Chris G.> Xenos>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at
> > 6:54?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Rueben,> > In nearly all
> > of our boats water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to> the> > bilge.
> > Unlikely that that much water came through that path but as I> > posted a
> > few weeks ago, check the hoses that funnel water from the> cockpit> >
> seats
> > through the lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the flexible hoses> >
> were
> > cracked/brittle and just taking all the water from the seats into> the> >
> > laz.> > Patrick> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> >> > wrote:> >> > > This morning a friend
> > called and said my boat was sinking...When I got> to> > > the boat there
> > was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the> > > bottom of
> the
> > cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it> was a> > > very
> low
> > tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water> > out...checked> > >
> > the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no> >
> > leak> > > seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no
> evidence
> > of a> > leak> > > at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the
> two
> > at the> > > furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There
> was
> > also> > water> > > in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be
> separate
> > from the rest> of> > > the boat and no idea how the water got
> there...There
> > hasn't been much> > rain> > > lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was
> the
> > last time I checked it...> > > We're having some storms here in Sarasota
> > and the TowBoatUS guy says we> > > really can't tow it till Tuesday> >
> >> >
> > > Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes>
> > in> > > the boat..haven't gone aground> > > Its a puzzle> > >> > > --> >
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich> > > cell: 410-499-8922> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and
> > Back Bay, Boston> > >> >>
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Dec 18 22:22:04 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 22:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in cabin
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When o bought my Rhodes the deck and stringers were rotted.  I replaced stringers and remodeled cabin with Tigerwood arranged in removable sections for sole in cabin.  

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From ruehbl at msn.com  Tue Dec 19 08:17:44 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:17:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in cabin
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Thomas,
That makes a beautiful cabin. We are rebuilding our cabin from stringers up as well. We currently have the sole sectioned in more manageable pieces and were thinking covering with Seadeck. Yours has me thinking.
A question related to the thread topic. We lost our centerboard in Ian. As a result we removed the trunk cap to inspect and get the broken board out. Our seal is in good shape, but it does have a hole worn by the centerboard. My question is, as long as the gasket is still supple, I not sure why the hole matters. Water would always be present on the underside of the gasket. With the hole, water is also present on the top side of the gasket. Water should be stoped no mater where it is as long as the gasket being sandwiched between the two pieces is good and bolts are tight. Am I missing something in my thought process? I bring it up because someone mentioned they had a hole in there's.

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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 10:22:04 PM
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When o bought my Rhodes the deck and stringers were rotted.  I replaced stringers and remodeled cabin with Tigerwood arranged in removable sections for sole in cabin.

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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 09:19:49 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 09:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in cabin
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When I rebuilt my floor and stringers I used 1/2 " exterior plywood but
encased it in multiple coats of epoxy before painting both sides and
covering it with vinyl flooring attached with contact cement. Stringers
were made from pressure-treated deck boards (dried thoroughly) and were
also treated with multiple coats of epoxy. Floor boards were attached to
the stringers using inserts and stainless steel bolts ensuring that all
holes were sealed with epoxy. This was done about 6 years ago and so far
there are no signs of delamination or other damage.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 10:22?PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 11:25:12 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 11:25:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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I went around the forward end of the CB stringer, and went up through the floor in the head and cut a hole through the bulkhead from below the galley sink.? As I recall, it was not difficult to feed it up through the floor in the head.? Here are a few more of photos that may give you a better idea. BTW, while everything was opened up, I scraped the bilge and painted with Interlux Bilge Cote. Be sure to use their primer first. I did the same in the Lazarette. The Rule pump is automatic so doesn't need a float switch. I recommend installing an on/off/auto switch, which I mounted on the panel of the forward battery compartment.?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/18/23  2:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin The boat normally doesn't have a "bow down" configuration and once thewater was pumped out it floats pretty level.i finally got a digital salinity meter (th#1 house battery was damaged andI have no idea what's in the water so i decided not to taste it0. In anyevent it is salt water, in fact the salinity is a bit higher than that inthe water that the boat is floating in...probably due to some evaporationsince it flooded in. Also, no new water came in during the torrential rainswe had this weekend.Regarding the bilge pump, did you drill holes for the drain hose throughthe stringers in the bilge or what?--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 1:50?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> Reuben,> The molded portion under the V-berth area encloses the flotation foam.> Respite always had a bow down configuration relative to the waterline.> Don't know the cause, could have been water there or it was its normal> orientation. I don?t know how one could inspect in there. Stan or someone> on the list, Roger Pihlaja seems to be a good go to, but so is Peter> Nyberg, to ask. BTW, do you have much water in the anchor rode tray in the> V-berth?>> Joe>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Reuben Mezrich> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 10:19 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin>> Joe> I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth except the> leaves on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port side and the> lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard side by Charles> Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery into that area).> But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be fiberglass molded> into the bow, extending from the bow back to the compartment with the> holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of the boat. I don't see> a way to actually see the hull at the forward portion of the boat or rinse> out the salt water that I'm sure was there. (when I first got to the boat> when I was told it was sinking it was indeed "bow down" and hanging on its> lines.>> By the way, what I thought was Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found> a label on the back of one of the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is> "Cement board is a backer board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh> and is supposed to be unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was> put in by a previous owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and> left in place by Stan..I take that as good news.>> --Reuben> Reuben Mezrich> cell: 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 4:41?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Reuben,? There should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves> > as the aft portion beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite> > acrylic hinged in the middle creating two leaves to permit access to> > the fresh water tank and the seacock (which could be your culprit if> > you haven't checked it yet) for the head on the starboard side forward> > of the head and the black water holding tank on the port. There are> > just two screws holding it in place if you need to remove it, which> > you shouldn't. Lift one of the leaves and look in. Have a good> > flashlight. Any water in the forward section should drain aft to the> > CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule low profile automatic bilge> > pump that I installed nicely below the inspection hatch forward of the> > CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to the starboard side. I had to cut> > out thru the floor just in front of the galley. I installed a 'T' in> > the sink drain that I connected the bilge hose to. I did not install a> > anti siphon loop because I think the open sink drain serves the> > purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an> > AT&T 5G smartphone> > -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/17/23? 1:49 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: The> > Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin> > or lazerette even with the considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced> > the water came from below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but> > I'll keep watching.How do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:> > 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec> > 17,> > 2023 at 12:11?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain> > your now getting or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit> > will overwhelm the drainage if all drain holes are not>> > cleared/enlarged. Also water will overflow into the lazarrette> > underneath> the hatch.? It's probably too late now, but I followed a> > suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and installed weatherstripping> > around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap between the opening and> > the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber stick-on w/s from my> > local hardware store.Also, this> is a good opportunity to determine up> > or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after this storm, you'll know> > it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42> MYM/V VoyagerSent via> > the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original> > message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <>> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23? 8:45 AM? (GMT-05:00) To:> > The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:>> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain water.>> > Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat> > covered> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv> > Pantailaimon> > Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris Geankoplis> > Sent> <>> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Reuben,> What Patrick says.>> > Were your batteries OK?? Ponce dry and then paper towel> dry the bilge> > then> lay out some TP squares and check every hour or so.? I> know> > then> easier> > said> than done as you guys have a lot of rain right now. If> your> > said> seat> > drains> get plugged from those overhanging trees, it overflows> into> > drains> the> > laz, then> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> > at> > 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly> > all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>>> bilge.> > Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>>> > posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the> > cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.? On my 1989 the> > flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water> > from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> > at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>>> > This morning a friend called> > and> said my boat was sinking...When I got to>>> the boat there was> > and> about a> > foot> of water in the cabin (it was up to the>>> bottom of the> > foot> cushions)> > and the> boat was hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low> > tide)...I borrowed a> pump and got most of the water>>> > out...checked>>> the two through hulls for> the head and the one in> > the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected the> top of the> > centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>> > leak>>> at any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at> > leak>>> the>>>> > furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was> > also>>> > water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be separate from> > water>>> the> > rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the water got there...There> > hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was> > the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some storms here in> > Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't tow it till> > Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for leaks. I> > haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>> Its a> > puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben> > Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back> > Mezrich>>> Bay,> > Boston>>> >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was> > scrubbed...> > Name: -1243247750_IMG_20190412_1135280_2281377.jpg> > Type: image/jpeg> > Size: 2281377 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231217/72f80> > 1e0/attachment.jpg> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was> > scrubbed...> > Name: 516264662_IMG_20190727_1210023_655375.jpg> > Type: image/jpeg> > Size: 655375 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231217/72f80> > 1e0/attachment-0001.jpg> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was> > scrubbed...> > Name: 988855659_IMG_20210625_1624363_2408854.jpg> > Type: image/jpeg> > Size: 2408854 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231217/72f80> > 1e0/attachment-0002.jpg> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was> > scrubbed...> > Name: -428335862_IMG_20200310_1318198_1360716.jpg> > Type: image/jpeg> > Size: 1360716 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231217/72f80> > 1e0/attachment-0003.jpg> > >> >>>
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From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Joe
This is wonderful...the pictures explain it perfectly...thanks
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:34?AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I went around the forward end of the CB stringer, and went up through the
> floor in the head and cut a hole through the bulkhead from below the galley
> sink.  As I recall, it was not difficult to feed it up through the floor in
> the head.  Here are a few more of photos that may give you a better idea.
> BTW, while everything was opened up, I scraped the bilge and painted with
> Interlux Bilge Cote. Be sure to use their primer first. I did the same in
> the Lazarette. The Rule pump is automatic so doesn't need a float switch. I
> recommend installing an on/off/auto switch, which I mounted on the panel of
> the forward battery compartment. JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an
> AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/18/23  2:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin The boat normally doesn't have a "bow
> down" configuration and once thewater was pumped out it floats pretty
> level.i finally got a digital salinity meter (th#1 house battery was
> damaged andI have no idea what's in the water so i decided not to taste
> it0. In anyevent it is salt water, in fact the salinity is a bit higher
> than that inthe water that the boat is floating in...probably due to some
> evaporationsince it flooded in. Also, no new water came in during the
> torrential rainswe had this weekend.Regarding the bilge pump, did you drill
> holes for the drain hose throughthe stringers in the bilge or
> what?--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and
> Back Bay, BostonOn Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 1:50?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> wrote:> Reuben,> The molded portion under the V-berth area encloses the
> flotation foam.> Respite always had a bow down configuration relative to
> the waterline.> Don't know the cause, could have been water there or it was
> its normal> orientation. I don?t know how one could inspect in there. Stan
> or someone> on the list, Roger Pihlaja seems to be a good go to, but so is
> Peter> Nyberg, to ask. BTW, do you have much water in the anchor rode tray
> in the> V-berth?>> Joe>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Reuben Mezrich> Sent:
> Monday, December 18, 2023 10:19 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the
> Cabin>> Joe> I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth
> except the> leaves on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port
> side and the> lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard
> side by Charles> Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery
> into that area).> But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be
> fiberglass molded> into the bow, extending from the bow back to the
> compartment with the> holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of
> the boat. I don't see> a way to actually see the hull at the forward
> portion of the boat or rinse> out the salt water that I'm sure was there.
> (when I first got to the boat> when I was told it was sinking it was indeed
> "bow down" and hanging on its> lines.>> By the way, what I thought was
> Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found> a label on the back of one of
> the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is> "Cement board is a backer
> board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh> and is supposed to be
> unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was> put in by a previous
> owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and> left in place by
> Stan..I take that as good news.>> --Reuben> Reuben Mezrich> cell:
> 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Sun, Dec
> 17, 2023 at 4:41?PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Reuben,  There
> should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves> > as the aft portion
> beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite> > acrylic hinged in the
> middle creating two leaves to permit access to> > the fresh water tank and
> the seacock (which could be your culprit if> > you haven't checked it yet)
> for the head on the starboard side forward> > of the head and the black
> water holding tank on the port. There are> > just two screws holding it in
> place if you need to remove it, which> > you shouldn't. Lift one of the
> leaves and look in. Have a good> > flashlight. Any water in the forward
> section should drain aft to the> > CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule
> low profile automatic bilge> > pump that I installed nicely below the
> inspection hatch forward of the> > CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to
> the starboard side. I had to cut> > out thru the floor just in front of the
> galley. I installed a 'T' in> > the sink drain that I connected the bilge
> hose to. I did not install a> > anti siphon loop because I think the open
> sink drain serves the> > purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S23 5G, an> > AT&T 5G smartphone> > -------- Original message
> --------From: Reuben Mezrich <> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date:
> 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The> > Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the
> Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin> > or lazerette even with the
> considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced> > the water came from
> below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but> > I'll keep watching.How
> do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:> > 410-499-8922Pelican
> Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec> > 17,> > 2023 at 12:11?PM
> jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain> > your now getting
> or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit> > will overwhelm the
> drainage if all drain holes are not>> > cleared/enlarged. Also water will
> overflow into the lazarrette> > underneath> the hatch.  It's probably too
> late now, but I followed a> > suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and
> installed weatherstripping> > around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap
> between the opening and> > the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber
> stick-on w/s from my> > local hardware store.Also, this> is a good
> opportunity to determine up> > or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after
> this storm, you'll know> > it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42>
> MYM/V VoyagerSent via> > the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone>
> -------- Original> > message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
> <>> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00)
> To:> > The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject:
> Re:>> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain
> water.>> > Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat>
> > covered> just in time for today?s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv> >
> Pantailaimon> > Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54?PM, Chris
> Geankoplis> > Sent> <>> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey
> Reuben,> What Patrick says.>> > Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then
> paper towel> dry the bilge> > then> lay out some TP squares and check every
> hour or so.  I> know> > then> easier> > said> than done as you guys have a
> lot of rain right now. If> your> > said> seat> > drains> get plugged from
> those overhanging trees, it overflows> into> > drains> the> > laz, then>
> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> > at> >
> 6:54?PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly> >
> all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>>>
> bilge.> > Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>>>
> > posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the> >
> cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the> >
> flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water> >
> from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> >
> at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>>> >
> This morning a friend called> > and> said my boat was sinking...When I got
> to>>> the boat there was> > and> about a> > foot> of water in the cabin (it
> was up to the>>> bottom of the> > foot> cushions)> > and the> boat was
> hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low> > tide)...I borrowed a> pump
> and got most of the water>>> > out...checked>>> the two through hulls for>
> the head and the one in> > the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected
> the> top of the> > centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>> > leak>>> at
> any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at> > leak>>>
> the>>>> > furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was>
> > also>>> > water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be
> separate from> > water>>> the> > rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the
> water got there...There> > hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry
> on Monday, which was> > the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some
> storms here in> > Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't
> tow it till> > Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for
> leaks. I> > haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>>
> Its a> > puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben> > Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>>
> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back> > Mezrich>>> Bay,> > Boston>>> >>>> >
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 13:21:34 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <CY8PR10MB6683848D4C96DF09EAA066FE8093A@CY8PR10MB6683.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Roger
Sorry for the belated reply...its seawater as measured by a digital
salinity meter
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:54?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Reuben,
>
> Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 76
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got
> to
> >> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> >> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was
> a
> >> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> out...checked
> >> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no
> leak
> >> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a
> leak
> >> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> >> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also
> water
> >> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> >> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much
> rain
> >> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> >> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> >> really can't tow it till Tuesday
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> >> the boat..haven't gone aground
> >> Its a puzzle
> >>
> >> --
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 14:12:26 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 14:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Sole
Message-ID: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>

As promised, I am posting this section of the "World Famous Joe Dempsey's
Rhodes 22 Projects Book" with the subject line clearly labeled so as to be
more easily found in the Rhodes List Archives. I have gone over to the dark
side and no longer own S/V Respite, but have great fondness for the Rhodes
22 and all the gang on The List.  My wife and I now own a classic Trojan 42'
flush deck motor yacht, which demands many projects of its own so I hope you
don't mind that I lurk around and hope this may provide some help to those
attempting various projects on their Rhodes 22.

 

I documented several projects in a Word file and imbedded photos so I could
share what I found and learned in the process so that it may be of benefit
to other Rhodies. The photos may not come through. If not, I will try to
share them separately. I will post my musings from other projects: Main
Berth and Setee, Centerboard Trunk and Gasket, Solar Exhaust Vent
Installation, Port Lite Re-bedding, Rub Rail Replacement, Wind Vane and VHF
Antenna Re-positioning and Making a Boom Tent for Rhodes 22.

 

1.	   Cabin Sole and Subfloor

Once the settee had been removed due to continuous musty odors and wet
bilge, I decided to explore beneath the sub-floor and found rotten sub-floor
support ledger strips and the galley kick plate were severely rotten. A teak
and holly sole had already been installed to replace the existing carpet,
but the urethane finish had deteriorated after only one year due to
moisture. It had not been properly treated prior to installation. The
subfloor consisted of 3 pieces. Two large pieces (basically horseshow shaped
that surrounded a narrow, also horseshoe shaped piece that was the width of
the 12" square bilge inspection hatch) that were not easily removable
without removing either the galley or settee (which also needed replacing
and had been removed already).  Removal of the ?" plywood subfloor required
using a sawzall to cut one leg of each of the two basic pieces so that they
could slide out of their positions and be removed from the boat.  I
determined at this time that the sub-floor, ledgers and galley kickplate
would need to be replaced.  The subfloor plywood was essentially sound but
the bottom was covered with black mold.  The original sub-floor was ?" CDX
(Grade C, Exterior Pine plywood. It is not known if it had been pressure
treated. Likely not since there was no mill stamp visible. I decided to
replace it with ?" Marine Grade Fir. In hind sight, pressure treated CDX
Pine would be okay. I changed the cut pattern for the new sub-floor in order
to simplify installation. I did this by shortening the legs of the aft
"horseshoe" and converting the forward "horseshoe" to a rectangle on the
port side and an "L" on the starboard side. The center section remained the
same surrounding the centerboard trunk. I coated both sides and edges of all
sub-floor components with 2 coats of "Woodlife" brand wood preservative.
This was followed by a coat of "Helmsman" varnish with two coats on the
edges.

The rotten ledger strips were cut to the contour of the hull and I used the
old one as a template. I cut these out of 5/4 PT Pine decking which provided
a full 1" of support and surface to secure fasteners. The kick plate was cut
from ?" Marine Fir plywood using the same template for the bottom cut. (See
the right side of the above drawing for the dimensions of the ledger and
kick plate).  After installing the kick plate and ledger respectively, the
sub-floor components were set in place and fastened down with #6 316 S.S.
1-1/4" flat head wood screws.  I sanded the underside of the ?" Marine Grade
Teak and Holly plywood sole with 180 sandpaper with an orbital sander and
applied 2 coats of "Woodlife" wood preservative. I allowed about an hour
between coats and after 24 hours began re-finishing the upper surface using
a 220 grit sandpaper. It originally was finished with 3 coats of "Helmsman"
Urethane Spar Varnish-Gloss Finish. After sanding I applied 3 more coats
allowing 24-48 hours between coats and light sanding with 320 grit paper
using a and block. Prior to installing the sub-floor and sole, I found this
a fine opportunity to paint the entire bilge. For this I used "Interlux"
Bilge Paint.  The sole was laid down using #6 Brass 1" Flathead wood screws,
countersunk 1/8".

 

 

Joe Dempsey

Trojan 42 Motor Yacht

M/V Voyager

Ex-Rhodes 22

S/V Respite


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 15:27:09 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01da32b9$de6ffa30$9b4fee90$@gmail.com>

 

These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.

 

 

Joe Dempsey

Trojan 42 Motor Yacht

M/V Voyager

Ex-Rhodes 22

S/V Respite


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 15:32:33 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9muW+q3XMGUn0vZSY0Zb=n9Ko+8HhqPsUXvC3u-jQk2OAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACdaeT7nFc9-i5yQS8zbGRZMx=kK2vzNezfAyx7zoujRH9OHyw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <004301da32ba$81abd980$85038c80$@gmail.com>

I just came across this additional picture of the bilge hose tie in beneath the sink.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Reuben Mezrich
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 1:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Roger
Sorry for the belated reply...its seawater as measured by a digital salinity meter --Reuben Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:54?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Reuben,
>
> Dumb question, is the water in the cabin salt water or fresh water?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:34?PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Might your bilge pump be siphoning water into the boat?
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 76
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I 
> >> got
> to
> >> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to 
> >> the bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines 
> >> (it was
> a
> >> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water
> out...checked
> >> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and 
> >> no
> leak
> >> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of 
> >> a
> leak
> >> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the 
> >> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was 
> >> also
> water
> >> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the 
> >> rest of the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't 
> >> been much
> rain
> >> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> >> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy 
> >> says we really can't tow it till Tuesday
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any 
> >> holes in the boat..haven't gone aground Its a puzzle
> >>
> >> --
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 15:42:48 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <003701da32b9$c1397e00$43ac7a00$@gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
 <003701da32b9$c1397e00$43ac7a00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>

Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!

 

From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS

 

 

These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.

 

 

Joe Dempsey

Trojan 42 Motor Yacht

M/V Voyager

Ex-Rhodes 22

S/V Respite

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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 19 16:11:31 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 16:11:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DA33273-037C-4831-AB40-BD6BD0FA1DDE@yahoo.com>

Wow - beautiful job!  Hoping to do that with my ?86. 

Larry

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 3:44?PM, jpd9668 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
> 
> 
> 
> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Dempsey
> 
> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
> 
> M/V Voyager
> 
> Ex-Rhodes 22
> 
> S/V Respite
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 16:42:39 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 16:42:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDJdrUW_QMttkA851qkJ7w-dwhMsxo7T=2q7Ft8Ytktcg@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,
These pictures and diagrams are terrific. You saved me the effort of
figuring out the dimensions and locations of things under the cabin sole.
Thanks very much.
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD



Bob


On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:54?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>
>
>
> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>
>
>
>
>
> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>
> M/V Voyager
>
> Ex-Rhodes 22
>
> S/V Respite
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 07:06:49 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 07:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <003d01da32b9$de6ffa30$9b4fee90$@gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
 <003d01da32b9$de6ffa30$9b4fee90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX3fM-rQQZBc3=-u2cZY7R+MfCHpWOL+EVhvc7m5hQTvg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again for your contribution to all things Rhod-ish. Being a Rhodie
is chronic, once a Rhodie, always a Rhodie.
Chris Geankoplis
XENOS

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:28?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>
> M/V Voyager
>
> Ex-Rhodes 22
>
> S/V Respite
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 08:56:56 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the top
of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing
keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground?
The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds
pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying
on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm wondering if that might have
pushed the swing keel up into the top of the centerboard trunk, possibly
flexing it and causing a leak. Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top
down that is unlikely but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a
leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the
centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:18?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This morning a friend called and said my boat was sinking...When I got to
> the boat there was about a foot of water in the cabin (it was up to the
> bottom of the cushions) and the boat was hanging from its lines (it was a
> very low tide)...I borrowed a pump and got most of the water out...checked
> the two through hulls for the head and the one in the lazerette and no leak
> seen. inspected the top of the centerboard trunk and no evidence of a leak
> at any of the visible screws on top (hard to see the two at the
> furthest aft). There still appears to be a slow leak. There was also water
> in the lazerette but the lazerette seems to be separate from the rest of
> the boat and no idea how the water got there...There hasn't been much rain
> lately..boat was dry on Monday, which was the last time I checked it...
> We're having some storms here in Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we
> really can't tow it till Tuesday
>
> Any thoughts on where else to look for leaks. I haven't put any holes in
> the boat..haven't gone aground
> Its a puzzle
>
> --
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Dec 20 10:37:37 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 07:37:37 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
Message-ID: <E1rFydd-00FCJg-0k@s152.servername.online>

Reuben,

That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>
> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the top of 
> the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing keel...in 
> particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my flood 
> had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out of the 
> bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip 
> and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top of 
> the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the 50 or 
> so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is floating 
> now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of 
> the 
> centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 
> 
> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 10:49:07 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 10:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Given that you have ruled out everything else and the leak has stopped, I
don't think this is a crazy idea either.
At the same time, if this was the problem, then it might be a good idea to
remove the cap to check on its condition and the integrity of the gasket
and fasteners. If your boat is using screws to hold the cap down, you might
be wise to replace them with bolts and fender washers. If the cap seems
solid with no cracks or damage you might get away with replacing the
fasteners without removing the cap but, in my view, if you go so far as to
remove the fasteners, checking out the cap and gasket as well as the
hardware and tether would seem prudent.
There have been cases reported where the centerboard has actually cracked
the cap when the boat was launched with the tether slack.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:37?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Reuben,
>
> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >
> > In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the
> top of
> > the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing
> keel...in
> > particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my
> flood
> > had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out
> of the
> > bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of
> my slip
> > and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top of
> > the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the
> 50 or
> > so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is
> floating
> > now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on
> top of
> > the
> > centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 10:51:41 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 10:51:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Peter
I was actually hoping you would say "that's a stupid idea"...so then the
question is what to do...would it be sufficient to just tighten down all
the bolts at the top of the centerboard trunk or do I have to remove the
top (I'm having the boat hauled on Friday so its at least possible),
replace the gasket and put back the bolts.
To get the top of the centerboard off I assume I first have to remove the
step just inside the companionway (which seems to be part of the top of the
settee)...Is that correct? I think I have to remove that anyway to replace
the flooring.
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:37?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Reuben,
>
> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >
> > In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the
> top of
> > the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing
> keel...in
> > particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my
> flood
> > had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out
> of the
> > bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of
> my slip
> > and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top of
> > the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the
> 50 or
> > so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is
> floating
> > now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on
> top of
> > the
> > centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 20 11:04:16 2023
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:04:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <E1rFydd-00FCJg-0k@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rFydd-00FCJg-0k@s152.servername.online>
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I had trouble finding a leak on Country Rhodes. Turns out there was a
piece of starboard with a v cut in it that was mounted flush with the top
of the cb trunk, with the v pointing down.it is supposed to stop the
upward travel of the cb. The mounting screws went thru the side of the cb
trunk. The fastener hole got rearmed out and allowed the leak. The plastic
piece was mounted in the last foot of trunk, aft. I always take my boat to
a local lake after repair to check for leaks
Before putting the interior back in. I just float around for an hour or
so. You can take toilet paper and wrap it around the bottom of the trunk
to see the area where the leaks start.

Jerry Lowe

>
> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>
>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the
>> top of
>> the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing
>> keel...in
>> particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my
>> flood
>> had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out
>> of the
>> bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of
>> my slip
>> and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
>> top of
>> the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the
>> 50 or
>> so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is
>> floating
>> now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on
>> top of
>> the
>> centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>
>>
>>
>
>



From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Dec 20 11:12:00 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
I?m thinking rain water or sabotage. 
I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much - and then not leak at all. 
Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on the centerboard cap. 
When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above the pivot pin.
Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.  
It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. 
I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped
In the fall of 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too far back so I relaunched to move it forward. 
I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.  
As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as the boat first lifted then dropped again.
I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I realized what happened. 
Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack. 
 
The photos explains what happed. 
It took me all winter to fix it. 
The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22. 
Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when launching and when backing up in shallow water. 

 
??

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>> 
>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the top of 
>> the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing keel...in 
>> particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my flood 
>> had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out of the 
>> bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip 
>> and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top of 
>> the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the 50 or 
>> so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is floating 
>> now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of 
>> the 
>> centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 11:14:48 2023
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 10:14:48 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Maybe it was only leaking while there was pressure on the cb at low tide.
Two seasons ago I cracked the top of my cb trunk and the leak was
significant at first but at as time went on it slowed to an ooze until I
fixed it.

Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:12?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much - and
> then not leak at all.
> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on the
> centerboard cap.
> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above the
> pivot pin.
> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped
> In the fall of 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was
> initially too far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it was
> free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before launch
> -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as
> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
> realized what happened.
> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the CB -
> scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
>
> The photos explains what happed.
> It took me all winter to fix it.
> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>
>
> ??
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Reuben,
> >
> > That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>
> >> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the
> top of
> >> the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing
> keel...in
> >> particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of
> my flood
> >> had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out
> of the
> >> bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom
> of my slip
> >> and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top of
> >> the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given
> the 50 or
> >> so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is
> floating
> >> now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on
> top of
> >> the
> >> centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >> --Reuben
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Dec 20 11:18:37 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:18:37 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
Message-ID: <E1rFzHJ-00FNxg-0F@s152.servername.online>

Reuben,

I'd suggest following Graham's advice on what to do.  I wouldn't replace the gasket unless it appears damaged.  You will have to remove the top of the settee and the base for the step to get full access, but that's maybe a dozen screws to remove (at least on my boat).

--Peter

> On 2023-12-20, at 10:51:41 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>
> Peter
> I was actually hoping you would say "that's a stupid idea"...so then the 
> question is what to do...would it be sufficient to just tighten down all the 
> bolts at the top of the centerboard trunk or do I have to remove the top (I'm 
> having the boat hauled on Friday so its at least possible), replace the gasket 
> and put back the bolts. 
> To get the top of the centerboard off I assume I first have to remove the step 
> just inside the companionway (which seems to be part of the top of the 
> settee)...Is that correct? I think I have to remove that anyway to replace the 
> flooring. 
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 
> 
> 


From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 11:48:00 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:48:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <89F29F2F-7B4E-4B5C-9744-9B8D825446F6@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <89F29F2F-7B4E-4B5C-9744-9B8D825446F6@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <E3120888-D5AA-4BA6-B6FB-EFC693056B53@gmail.com>

Ric
I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. 
It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more carefully
Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much - and then not leak at all.
> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on the centerboard cap.
> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above the pivot pin.
> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.  
> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped
> In the fall of 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.  
> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I realized what happened.
> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
> 
> The photos explains what happed.
> It took me all winter to fix it.
> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> 
> 
> ??
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Reuben,
>> 
>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>> 
>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to the top of
>>> the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about the swing keel...in
>>> particular, what happens when the boat lies on the ground? The day of my flood
>>> had a particularly low tide, in part because of winds pushing water out of the
>>> bay. I suspect my boat spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip
>>> and I'm wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top of
>>> the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. Given the 50 or
>>> so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely but..... The boat is floating
>>> now and I can't find a leak (thru hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of
>>> the
>>> centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>> --Reuben
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Dec 20 16:26:41 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <E3120888-D5AA-4BA6-B6FB-EFC693056B53@gmail.com>
References: <89F29F2F-7B4E-4B5C-9744-9B8D825446F6@stottarchitecture.com>
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Hi Reuben,

Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter sounded great until I thought about it a bit more.

If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge, the dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come from a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was greater than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The salinity test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Reuben Mezrich
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Ric
I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. 
It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more carefully Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much - and then not leak at all.
> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on the centerboard cap.
> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above the pivot pin.
> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.  
> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of 
> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.  
> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I realized what happened.
> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
> 
> The photos explains what happed.
> It took me all winter to fix it.
> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Reuben,
>> 
>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>> 
>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to 
>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about 
>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on 
>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part 
>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat 
>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm 
>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top 
>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak. 
>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely 
>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru 
>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk). ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>> --Reuben
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 18:49:14 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 18:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Mike
Great point but....
The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not sure,
given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the water
in the bilge
I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
bilge.
We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
bilge.
Its a puzzle
--Reuben

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi Reuben,
>
> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter sounded
> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>
> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after
> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge, the
> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come from
> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was greater
> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The salinity
> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Reuben Mezrich
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>
> Ric
> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last
> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> Cell:410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>
> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much -
> and then not leak at all.
> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on the
> centerboard cap.
> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above
> the pivot pin.
> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too far
> back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it
> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as
> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
> realized what happened.
> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the CB
> - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
> >
> > The photos explains what happed.
> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Reuben,
> >>
> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about
> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part
> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk).
> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>> --Reuben
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Dec 20 20:46:30 2023
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 18:46:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
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References: <CADNTwiX3fM-rQQZBc3=-u2cZY7R+MfCHpWOL+EVhvc7m5hQTvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C42566E0-7824-4506-B96E-13528E2B71E1@mac.com>

So very TRUE Chris??.Ann Matecjak (Gilbertville KY) now has her SECOND Rhodes ?.. when we, years ago, had a Rhodes get together there.  Rik and Sandy Sandberg  Doug & wife Glenn and Dorene Barrera Rod and Mary Ellner   (We all trailered there; Ann?s first Rhodes Anima was moored there) FUN was had by ALL (this dates to back when Stan did Strictly Sail in Chicago??we all again met in Chicago in February (Alex and Pamela Vana?.moved from CO with their TWO Rhodes.   ((Alex=A lotta Xtra Bungees)).   Stan?s brother came to Kentucky Lake and delivered LOTS of Rhodes stuff??actually stayed on Blew (cuz we all had booked condo rooms).  Ann then sold Anima and bought 40-48? boat she lived aboard 3-5 years.   She?s since sold that, got a small house and bought Rhodes #2! 

Sorry for the long post?.still remember when Patti?s didn?t serve alcohol?..they escorted Dorene and me thru their
 kitchen to go back to condo and GET THE BEER?

MEMORIES

Mary and Rod
missing Blew (she?s in Ohio)
We followed our daughter to Colorado?.  (Grandkids ROCK ?)
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2023, at 5:07?AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks again for your contribution to all things Rhod-ish. Being a Rhodie
> is chronic, once a Rhodie, always a Rhodie.
> Chris Geankoplis
> XENOS
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:28?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Dempsey
>> 
>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>> 
>> M/V Voyager
>> 
>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>> 
>> S/V Respite
>> 
>> 

From forg3d at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 09:14:27 2023
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:14:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDJdrUW_QMttkA851qkJ7w-dwhMsxo7T=2q7Ft8Ytktcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
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Joe,

You just accelerated by Rhodes project!!!   Your plans and photos are awesome!

Thank you very much,
Jeff Camiel
Makai
Camarillo, Ca
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:42 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS

Joe,
These pictures and diagrams are terrific. You saved me the effort of
figuring out the dimensions and locations of things under the cabin sole.
Thanks very much.
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD



Bob


On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:54?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>
>
>
> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>
>
>
>
>
> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>
> M/V Voyager
>
> Ex-Rhodes 22
>
> S/V Respite
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 15:28:31 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:28:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
Message-ID: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>

My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.

Stan Spitzer
c/o Mike Corley
100 Water Pointe Ln.
Smithfield, VA  23430

Mike Corley
s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
Hampton Roads, VA

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 23 17:20:16 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBC417FF-E07F-4082-A6FC-261857C97FA2@verizon.net>

Thanks Mike
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2023, at 3:28?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
> 
> Stan Spitzer
> c/o Mike Corley
> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
> Smithfield, VA  23430
> 
> Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
> Hampton Roads, VA


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 19:41:47 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:41:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
In-Reply-To: <EBC417FF-E07F-4082-A6FC-261857C97FA2@verizon.net>
References: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <EBC417FF-E07F-4082-A6FC-261857C97FA2@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUM=312_-0mQ-85YChvVVNrv6Gg7PYTWCw8wMhTQbwhkA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for helping out. I?ll send a card out right after Christmas as
nothing is moving until then.
Chris Geankoplis
Xenos

On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 5:30?PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 23, 2023, at 3:28?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
> > Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
> > issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
> > another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a
> card
> > you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
> >
> > Stan Spitzer
> > c/o Mike Corley
> > 100 Water Pointe Ln.
> > Smithfield, VA  23430
> >
> > Mike Corley
> > s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
> > Hampton Roads, VA
>
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:35:11 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+GxCYGFegv6=SSxun6N51DahzH95Y7mnkiPksY1onC9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F364825A-DC7C-4D33-86F3-D48618C223B8@gmail.com>

Thanks for letting us know, Mike.  I have a card going out in today?s mail.

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Dec 23, 2023, at 3:28 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
> 
> Stan Spitzer
> c/o Mike Corley
> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
> Smithfield, VA  23430
> 
> Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
> Hampton Roads, VA


From RUEHBL at msn.com  Fri Dec 29 18:14:59 2023
From: RUEHBL at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 23:14:59 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB64982A30E9D10D858418E662C19DA@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

 Hopefully my picture attaches. I seem to have problems there. In regards to the refurbish of our Rhodes, we have the stringers repaired, and the sole and all cabin parts dry fit and ready to install. We're on the final coat of hull paint, and will be doing some deck gelcoat repair next. As such we are now analyzing the rigging. When we bought the boat a year and a half ago the mast was in the cradle. Most looks to be in good shape. We do have concerns with the donut shaped piece that is part of the mast furling system. The one in the picture is made of some fairly soft material and is pretty chewed up. The question is, has anyone made one and with what material. I thought about starboard which is only slightly thinner. Any ideas? There will be more questions to come. This turned out to be a much bigger project than we thought. I've been following the group mailings, and going through the archives, but I will have more questions soon.
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perseverance  Rhodes 22 '86

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Dec 29 21:32:54 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:32:54 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
Message-ID: <E1rJP9i-00FxuC-0u@s152.servername.online>

Barry,

Your picture did come through, and that donut piece does definitely look chewed up.  I'm surprised to hear that yours is made of soft material, since that is pretty clearly not an appropriate choice.  

You would certainly want to use some variety of high density plastic material to create a replacement.  'Starboard' would one choice.  I believe the general name for this class of material is 'high density polyethylene' or HDPE.  I usually shop for items like this at the McMaster-Carr website.  If Starboard doesn't come in the exact thickness you need, there may be other similar materials that do.  (And consider that precise thickness may not be a critical dimension here.)

Best of Luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) 

> On 2023-12-29, at 18:14:59 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
>  Hopefully my picture attaches. I seem to have problems there. In regards to the 
> refurbish of our Rhodes, we have the stringers repaired, and the sole and all 
> cabin parts dry fit and ready to install. We're on the final coat of hull paint, 
> and will be doing some deck gelcoat repair next. As such we are now analyzing 
> the rigging. When we bought the boat a year and a half ago the mast was in the 
> cradle. Most looks to be in good shape. We do have concerns with the donut 
> shaped piece that is part of the mast furling system. The one in the picture is 
> made of some fairly soft material and is pretty chewed up. The question is, has 
> anyone made one and with what material. I thought about starboard which is only 
> slightly thinner. Any ideas? There will be more questions to come. This turned 
> out to be a much bigger project than we thought. I've been following the group 
> mailings, and going through the archives, but I will have more questions soon. 
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perseverance  Rhodes 22 '86
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg">https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg</a>&gt; 
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Dec 30 07:54:46 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 12:54:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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Peter,
Thanks for the push to McMaster Carr. That site will be useful In a couple areas. I was particularly impressed by the detailed information on material specifications and uses. I will order a 12x12 sheet of a more appropriate product to make that donut piece if I can't find the actual piece. (Doubtful). I have starboard that would work, but another product looks better.
 Someone on the list said they have gasket material for the trunk for sale also. We will be pulling the trunk cap off again when we eventually sail her to my lift. We may want to replace it, although it looked fine when we opened it up to take the broken centerboard out.
 Lastly I will attach another picture of a mystery piece I just found taped the the boom. It looks like something to connect a second line to a main line or ???
Barry Ruehlen
Pine Island FL.
S/V Perseverance '87




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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 9:32:54 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part

Barry,

Your picture did come through, and that donut piece does definitely look chewed up.  I'm surprised to hear that yours is made of soft material, since that is pretty clearly not an appropriate choice.

You would certainly want to use some variety of high density plastic material to create a replacement.  'Starboard' would one choice.  I believe the general name for this class of material is 'high density polyethylene' or HDPE.  I usually shop for items like this at the McMaster-Carr website.  If Starboard doesn't come in the exact thickness you need, there may be other similar materials that do.  (And consider that precise thickness may not be a critical dimension here.)

Best of Luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-29, at 18:14:59 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
>  Hopefully my picture attaches. I seem to have problems there. In regards to the
> refurbish of our Rhodes, we have the stringers repaired, and the sole and all
> cabin parts dry fit and ready to install. We're on the final coat of hull paint,
> and will be doing some deck gelcoat repair next. As such we are now analyzing
> the rigging. When we bought the boat a year and a half ago the mast was in the
> cradle. Most looks to be in good shape. We do have concerns with the donut
> shaped piece that is part of the mast furling system. The one in the picture is
> made of some fairly soft material and is pretty chewed up. The question is, has
> anyone made one and with what material. I thought about starboard which is only
> slightly thinner. Any ideas? There will be more questions to come. This turned
> out to be a much bigger project than we thought. I've been following the group
> mailings, and going through the archives, but I will have more questions soon.
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perseverance  Rhodes 22 '86
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android&lt;<a
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Dec 30 09:14:48 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 09:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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Happy New Year Rhodies. 
Barry - I purchased a used IMF mast that had the same kind of bushings to hold the furler tube in place.
Funky. 
I contacted Charles Gabriel (charles.gabriel at gmail.com) And sold me the updated furler guts - much better design. 
It consisted of the bottom bracket, a top donut and the Boom Connector, and al new lines.. 
Good luck with your project.  It's a great boat! 
Ric 
Sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays, NY 


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 30, 2023, at 7:54 AM, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> Thanks for the push to McMaster Carr. That site will be useful In a couple areas. I was particularly impressed by the detailed information on material specifications and uses. I will order a 12x12 sheet of a more appropriate product to make that donut piece if I can't find the actual piece. (Doubtful). I have starboard that would work, but another product looks better.
> Someone on the list said they have gasket material for the trunk for sale also. We will be pulling the trunk cap off again when we eventually sail her to my lift. We may want to replace it, although it looked fine when we opened it up to take the broken centerboard out.
> Lastly I will attach another picture of a mystery piece I just found taped the the boom. It looks like something to connect a second line to a main line or ???
> Barry Ruehlen
> Pine Island FL.
> S/V Perseverance '87
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 9:32:54 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
> 
> Barry,
> 
> Your picture did come through, and that donut piece does definitely look chewed up.  I'm surprised to hear that yours is made of soft material, since that is pretty clearly not an appropriate choice.
> 
> You would certainly want to use some variety of high density plastic material to create a replacement.  'Starboard' would one choice.  I believe the general name for this class of material is 'high density polyethylene' or HDPE.  I usually shop for items like this at the McMaster-Carr website.  If Starboard doesn't come in the exact thickness you need, there may be other similar materials that do.  (And consider that precise thickness may not be a critical dimension here.)
> 
> Best of Luck,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-12-29, at 18:14:59 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Hopefully my picture attaches. I seem to have problems there. In regards to the
>> refurbish of our Rhodes, we have the stringers repaired, and the sole and all
>> cabin parts dry fit and ready to install. We're on the final coat of hull paint,
>> and will be doing some deck gelcoat repair next. As such we are now analyzing
>> the rigging. When we bought the boat a year and a half ago the mast was in the
>> cradle. Most looks to be in good shape. We do have concerns with the donut
>> shaped piece that is part of the mast furling system. The one in the picture is
>> made of some fairly soft material and is pretty chewed up. The question is, has
>> anyone made one and with what material. I thought about starboard which is only
>> slightly thinner. Any ideas? There will be more questions to come. This turned
>> out to be a much bigger project than we thought. I've been following the group
>> mailings, and going through the archives, but I will have more questions soon.
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perseverance  Rhodes 22 '86
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android&lt;<a
>> href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca4584f399737455a12db08dc08dfa3b3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638395003837028844%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=m2iRqXHGSHeLaN%2Bouwq28kXMcMYCL1US4rDTg3VNjpQ%3D&reserved=0">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca4584f399737455a12db08dc08dfa3b3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638395003837028844%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=m2iRqXHGSHeLaN%2Bouwq28kXMcMYCL1US4rDTg3VNjpQ%3D&reserved=0</a<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>>&gt;
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Dec 30 09:33:08 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 14:33:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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Ric,
Good thought. We have gone a long, long way in our restoration project. (hence the new name to be - Perserverance) This is not time to skimp. I have very good McGiver skills but I will reach out to Charles today.
Best,
BARRY
sv Perserverance '87
Pine Island, Fl
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 9:14 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part

Happy New Year Rhodies.
Barry - I purchased a used IMF mast that had the same kind of bushings to hold the furler tube in place.
Funky.
I contacted Charles Gabriel (charles.gabriel at gmail.com) And sold me the updated furler guts - much better design.
It consisted of the bottom bracket, a top donut and the Boom Connector, and al new lines..
Good luck with your project.  It's a great boat!
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays, NY


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164




From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Dec 30 10:23:30 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 07:23:30 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
Message-ID: <E1rJbBS-00ESC0-0j@s152.servername.online>

Barry,

I'm pretty sure the gizmo in your pictures is intended to clamp onto a length of 1/4" line to create a loop.  My boat came with several similar devices when I bought it from General Boats in 2016.  I now have 3 in my parts box, and none currently in use.

--Peter

> On 2023-12-30, at 07:54:46 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Peter,
> Thanks for the push to McMaster Carr. That site will be useful In a couple 
> areas. I was particularly impressed by the detailed information on material 
> specifications and uses. I will order a 12x12 sheet of a more appropriate 
> product to make that donut piece if I can't find the actual piece. (Doubtful). I 
> have starboard that would work, but another product looks better. 
>  Someone on the list said they have gasket material for the trunk for sale also. 
> We will be pulling the trunk cap off again when we eventually sail her to my 
> lift. We may want to replace it, although it looked fine when we opened it up to 
> take the broken centerboard out. 
>  Lastly I will attach another picture of a mystery piece I just found taped the 
> the boom. It looks like something to connect a second line to a main line or ??? 
> Barry Ruehlen
> Pine Island FL.
> S/V Perseverance '87
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android&lt;<a 
> href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg">https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg</a>&gt; 
> 
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> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231230/bf0ef95c/attachment.jpg" 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Dec 30 10:32:34 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 10:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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Good Plan Barry.
Good luck. 
Charles does not often reply immediately, but he will get back to you.
You can tell him you want what I ordered - 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 30, 2023, at 9:33 AM, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ric,
> Good thought. We have gone a long, long way in our restoration project. (hence the new name to be - Perserverance) This is not time to skimp. I have very good McGiver skills but I will reach out to Charles today.
> Best,
> BARRY
> sv Perserverance '87
> Pine Island, Fl
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 9:14 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
> 
> Happy New Year Rhodies.
> Barry - I purchased a used IMF mast that had the same kind of bushings to hold the furler tube in place.
> Funky.
> I contacted Charles Gabriel (charles.gabriel at gmail.com) And sold me the updated furler guts - much better design.
> It consisted of the bottom bracket, a top donut and the Boom Connector, and al new lines..
> Good luck with your project.  It's a great boat!
> Ric
> Sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays, NY
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Dec 30 12:05:26 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:05:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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Hi Barry,

If you can find it, Delrin (polyoxymethylene or acetal) would be a better material for your ?doughnut? vs Starboard.  Delrin is more rigid, has lower water absorption, better abrasion resistance, and low coefficient of friction.  It is commonly used in bearing and support structure applications.

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978
Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2023, at 9:33?AM, BARRY RUEHLEN <RUEHBL at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ric,
> Good thought. We have gone a long, long way in our restoration project. (hence the new name to be - Perserverance) This is not time to skimp. I have very good McGiver skills but I will reach out to Charles today.
> Best,
> BARRY
> sv Perserverance '87
> Pine Island, Fl
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 9:14 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
> 
> Happy New Year Rhodies.
> Barry - I purchased a used IMF mast that had the same kind of bushings to hold the furler tube in place.
> Funky.
> I contacted Charles Gabriel (charles.gabriel at gmail.com) And sold me the updated furler guts - much better design.
> It consisted of the bottom bracket, a top donut and the Boom Connector, and al new lines..
> Good luck with your project.  It's a great boat!
> Ric
> Sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays, NY
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 

From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Dec 30 21:06:47 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 02:06:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part
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10-4 Roger,
 I have reached out to Charels Gabrial to see if he can get that upper furler donut for me. We also need a replacement pop top attachment car. If he can't help with the donut I did find much better products to make one out of rather than starboard. McMaster Carr has many types of plastics, nylon, all sorts of composites. A couple fit the bill far better than the starboard that I actually have. Oh well.
Barry Ruehlen
s/v Perserverance '87
Pine Island Fl

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf part

Hi Barry,

If you can find it, Delrin (polyoxymethylene or acetal) would be a better material for your ?doughnut? vs Starboard.  Delrin is more rigid, has lower water absorption, better abrasion resistance, and low coefficient of friction.  It is commonly used in bearing and support structure applications.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978
Sanford, MI
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Sun Dec 31 08:03:56 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:03:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf questions
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After a full shake out of our mast system, we have found that we are in pretty fair shape. Everything appears to be there. The mast and rigging had been stored sense we bought the boat a year and a half ago. We had gone through it originally but our efforts turned to the boat problems and hurricane damage.
 We had a bent spreader bolt, and a tortured top tang which are easy fixes. The furling donut issue is being addressed with help from the group. Thank you all. I have reached out to Charles about a replacement for the "pop top" attachment car for the mast. If anyone knows of another means to find or make one, let us know. Additionally, we found that we have in-mast wiring issues. Of the two low voltage wires that plug into the top deck, only one actually goes all the way to the top. The prior owner jumped the one hot wire to service both the masthead and deck light. I'm assuming the deck light is the steaming light. If that's the case they can't be on at the same time in my belief?? There is not a deck light currently in place so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. The two questions would be, what is that light just down from the masthead supposed to be and has anyone drilled out the two pop-rivets that hold the mast top plate on? I would like to remove that top plate to have access to pull all new wire including a radio coax. Using the existing wire as a messenger won't really help much.
Best
Barry Ruehlen
sv Perserverance '87
Pine Island Fl

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Dec 31 10:39:42 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 07:39:42 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf questions
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Barry,

Good to hear that your mast is basically in good shape.

I haven't studied the pop-top car closely, but I would guess that it could be duplicated with a hunk of starboard and a tablesaw.  If Charles doesn't come through for you, I'd be willing to try, though I won't be able to get to mine until the tarp comes off in the spring.

Assuming the light at the top of your mast shines 360 degrees, it is your anchor light.  The light on the forward edge of your mast should be your steaming light, which should cover 225 degrees (22.5 degrees abaft the beam on both sides).  These should not both be on at the same time.

Apparently, in least in theory, it is possible to use one pair of wires to power both the steaming light and the anchor light, and only have one illuminated at a time.  This is based on the fact that LED lights are sensitive to polarity.  There's a thread discussing this starting here: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-April/029988.html

I've had my mast top plate off the mast several times over the years.  I can't recall what type of fasteners hold it in place on my boat, but it's not pop-rivets.  I can't see any harm in drilling yours out.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-31, at 08:03:56 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> After a full shake out of our mast system, we have found that we are in pretty 
> fair shape. Everything appears to be there. The mast and rigging had been stored 
> sense we bought the boat a year and a half ago. We had gone through it 
> originally but our efforts turned to the boat problems and hurricane damage. 
>  We had a bent spreader bolt, and a tortured top tang which are easy fixes. The 
> furling donut issue is being addressed with help from the group. Thank you all. 
> I have reached out to Charles about a replacement for the "pop top" attachment 
> car for the mast. If anyone knows of another means to find or make one, let us 
> know. Additionally, we found that we have in-mast wiring issues. Of the two low 
> voltage wires that plug into the top deck, only one actually goes all the way to 
> the top. The prior owner jumped the one hot wire to service both the masthead 
> and deck light. I'm assuming the deck light is the steaming light. If that's the 
> case they can't be on at the same time in my belief?? There is not a deck light 
> currently in place so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. The two 
> questions would be, what is that light just down from the masthead supposed to 
> be and has anyone drilled out the two pop-rivets that hold the mast top plate 
> on? I would like to remove that top plate to have access to pull all new wire 
> including a radio coax. Using the existing wire as a messenger won't really help 
> much. 
> Best
> Barry Ruehlen
> sv Perserverance '87
> Pine Island Fl
> 


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 14:24:10 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
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Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room 411.
He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they really
lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you .  .
.  the stories he is telling!
Happy New Year to all.

-Mike Corley

On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
>
> Stan Spitzer
> c/o Mike Corley
> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
> Smithfield, VA  23430
>
> Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
> Hampton Roads, VA
>
>
>

From gramille at tds.net  Sun Dec 31 15:53:15 2023
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
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Mike,
Thanks so much for keeping us all updated.
Please say Happy New Year to Stan and tell him we are sending healing vibes from Vermont.
Bring on 2024 for a return to peace and love and a great sailing season with a lot less rain ( at least up north here around Lake Champlain!)
Cheers
Graham Parker
Sv 00Sailin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 2:24?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room 411.
> He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
> sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
> received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they really
> lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you .  .
> .  the stories he is telling!
> Happy New Year to all.
> 
> -Mike Corley
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
>> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
>> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
>> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
>> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer
>> c/o Mike Corley
>> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
>> Smithfield, VA  23430
>> 
>> Mike Corley
>> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 16:28:17 2023
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
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Mike, 
Thanks for your updates. I?m sure I?m speaking for all, Stan?s in the forefront of all our prayers and best wishes.

Jay
S/V Wanderlust ?97
Long Beach Island, NJ

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 2:24?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room 411.
> He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
> sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
> received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they really
> lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you .  .
> .  the stories he is telling!
> Happy New Year to all.
> 
> -Mike Corley
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
>> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
>> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
>> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
>> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer
>> c/o Mike Corley
>> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
>> Smithfield, VA  23430
>> 
>> Mike Corley
>> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Dec 31 23:04:53 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 23:04:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
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Thank you Mike, Rebecca and I are smiling at the thought of him and his tales.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:53?PM, Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> Thanks so much for keeping us all updated.
> Please say Happy New Year to Stan and tell him we are sending healing vibes from Vermont.
> Bring on 2024 for a return to peace and love and a great sailing season with a lot less rain ( at least up north here around Lake Champlain!)
> Cheers
> Graham Parker
> Sv 00Sailin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 2:24?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room 411.
>> He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
>> sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
>> received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they really
>> lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you .  .
>> .  the stories he is telling!
>> Happy New Year to all.
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
>>> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
>>> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
>>> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
>>> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
>>> 
>>> Stan Spitzer
>>> c/o Mike Corley
>>> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
>>> Smithfield, VA  23430
>>> 
>>> Mike Corley
>>> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
>>> Hampton Roads, VA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>