From cknell at vt.edu  Sat Jun  3 10:22:47 2023
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 10:22:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <c126a451-035b-357f-4073-62c81a15ccc0@vt.edu>
References: <CAMzGxuPLQ=mj29t8S=8HMZ8qO+jSPt4ON_RtWQJRSGyddi4Cmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <c126a451-035b-357f-4073-62c81a15ccc0@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <ec15cded-1be2-adab-5494-b6ef734f9856@vt.edu>

Shawn,

I just went back and reviewed the discussion from last Fall (in the 
thread called "Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22") that dealt with the topic 
of the rudder angle. In the thread, Mary Lou Troy wrote the following:

When we purchased Fretless (recycled) in 1998 we had a number of
discussions with Stan about rigging, helm and the rudder. He was quite
clear that the proper position for the rudder underway was pulled
forward of vertical so it was somewhat under the hull. Fred and I both
remember the boat as being somewhat sluggish and less responsive if the
rudder was not pulled far enough forward. Helm was also affected by the
position of the rudder.

Based on this input, it would certainly be worthwhile experimenting with 
the rudder angled somewhat past vertical. I'm interested to learn what 
you discover.

Chris



On 5/31/2023 10:56 AM, Chris on LBI wrote:
> Shawn,
>
> I'm happy to hear of your experience. We are back on the water this 
> season and have been out twice using the adjusted rudder angle where 
> we force a vertical leading edge by cleating the up-haul line. Our 
> experience is the same as yours ... no more lee helm.
>
> Both of the outings were dominated by long reaches so I could not 
> re-check pointing ability. The next test will be to substantiate the 
> results from late last season where we seemed to be sailing about 5 
> degrees higher with the vertical rudder.
>
> For those who did not follow the discussion last season, I questioned 
> why the leading edge of my rudder swept forward (about 18 degrees) 
> when I secured the down-haul. Apparently, on most Rhodes, this is not 
> the case; instead there is a hard stop keeping the leading edge 
> vertical when the down-haul is pulled tight. I've attached a photo of 
> my rudder in the position it takes if not restricted by the up-haul. 
> The hypothesis is that this forward angle causes lee helm and limiting 
> pointing ability on Rhodes equipped with this vintage rudder/tiller 
> assembly.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2023 6:26 PM, Shawn Boles wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I couldn't sail at all last year due to septicemia, and so this year 
>> I was
>> anxious to get back in the water and finally did so last week.
>>
>> As some of you know I spent the last several years or so chasing how to
>> correct lee? helm, including an ill-fated attempt to rake the 
>> mast.(blush)
>>
>> I tried the method suggested in a set of emails over the past year- 
>> lifting
>> and locking the kick up rudder so it is slightly aft of the stern, 
>> rather
>> than tightly pulled to the stern. It worked!
>>
>> All hail the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Shawn
>> s/v Sweet Baboo
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 13:14:53 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 13:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <ec15cded-1be2-adab-5494-b6ef734f9856@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <647b7517.a70a0220.d55d8.4e3d@mx.google.com>

Mary Lou's post is correct. I had severe weather helm for 2 years until I had an exchange with him telling me the same thing. I previously posted pictures of two rudder positions that clearly show the forward angle of the leading edge of the rudder when properly hauled down and made fast.?Here they are again.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> Date: 6/3/23  10:22 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm Shawn,I just went back and reviewed the discussion from last Fall (in the thread called "Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22") that dealt with the topic of the rudder angle. In the thread, Mary Lou Troy wrote the following:When we purchased Fretless (recycled) in 1998 we had a number ofdiscussions with Stan about rigging, helm and the rudder. He was quiteclear that the proper position for the rudder underway was pulledforward of vertical so it was somewhat under the hull. Fred and I bothremember the boat as being somewhat sluggish and less responsive if therudder was not pulled far enough forward. Helm was also affected by theposition of the rudder.Based on this input, it would certainly be worthwhile experimenting with the rudder angled somewhat past vertical. I'm interested to learn what you discover.ChrisOn 5/31/2023 10:56 AM, Chris on LBI wrote:> Shawn,>> I'm happy to hear of your experience. We are back on the water this > season and have been out twice using the adjusted rudder angle where > we force a vertical leading edge by cleating the up-haul line. Our > experience is the same as yours ... no more lee helm.>> Both of the outings were dominated by long reaches so I could not > re-check pointing ability. The next test will be to substantiate the > results from late last season where we seemed to be sailing about 5 > degrees higher with the vertical rudder.>> For those who did not follow the discussion last season, I questioned > why the leading edge of my rudder swept forward (about 18 degrees) > when I secured the down-haul. Apparently, on most Rhodes, this is not > the case; instead there is a hard stop keeping the leading edge > vertical when the down-haul is pulled tight. I've attached a photo of > my rudder in the position it takes if not restricted by the up-haul. > The hypothesis is that this forward angle causes lee helm and limiting > pointing ability on Rhodes equipped with this vintage rudder/tiller > assembly.>> Chris>>>>>> On 5/30/2023 6:26 PM, Shawn Boles wrote:>> Hi All:>>>> I couldn't sail at all last year due to septicemia, and so this year >> I was>> anxious to get back in the water and finally did so last week.>>>> As some of you know I spent the last several years or so chasing how to>> correct lee? helm, including an ill-fated attempt to rake the >> mast.(blush)>>>> I tried the method suggested in a set of emails over the past year- >> lifting>> and locking the kick up rudder so it is slightly aft of the stern, >> rather>> than tightly pulled to the stern. It worked!>>>> All hail the list.>>>> Cheers,>> Shawn>> s/v Sweet Baboo> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: IMG_4808.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 77096 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: > <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230531/b4bb6cd7/attachment.jpg>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Jun  3 13:33:00 2023
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 13:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <647b7517.a70a0220.d55d8.4e3d@mx.google.com>
References: <647b7517.a70a0220.d55d8.4e3d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <c8c73c0c-318c-b815-9a51-c7f92b023528@atlanticbb.net>

There's a good article here on helm 
https://goodoldboat.com/proper-helm-balance/ and it sparked a vague 
memory of a conversation in which Stan mentioned balanced helm and 
assured us that if the sails were set correctly the boat would indeed 
have weather helm in stronger winds. We played with helm a lot and found 
this mostly to be true. Weight in the bow? or at least forward of the 
mast, also helps. Our battery was there and we always kept our water 
tank full.

Best,
Mary Lou
ex-Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara



On 6/3/2023 1:14 PM, jpd9668 wrote:
> Mary Lou's post is correct. I had severe weather helm for 2 years until I had an exchange with him telling me the same thing. I previously posted pictures of two rudder positions that clearly show the forward angle of the leading edge of the rudder when properly hauled down and made fast.?Here they are again.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> Date: 6/3/23  10:22 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm Shawn,I just went back and reviewed the discussion from last Fall (in the thread called "Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22") that dealt with the topic of the rudder angle. In the thread, Mary Lou Troy wrote the following:When we purchased Fretless (recycled) in 1998 we had a number ofdiscussions with Stan about rigging, helm and the rudder. He was quiteclear that the proper position for the rudder underway was pulledforward of vertical so it was somewhat under the hull. Fred and I bothremember the boat as being somewhat sluggish and less responsive if therudder was not pulled far enough forward. Helm was also affected by theposition of the rudder.Based on this input, it would certainly be worthwhile experimenting with the rudder angled somewhat past vertical. I'm interested to learn what you discover.ChrisOn 5/31/2023 10:56 AM, Chris on LBI wrote:> Shawn,>> I'm happy to hear of your experience. We are back on the water this > season and have been out twice using the adjusted rudder angle where > we force a vertical leading edge by cleating the up-haul line. Our > experience is the same as yours ... no more lee helm.>> Both of the outings were dominated by long reaches so I could not > re-check pointing ability. The next test will be to substantiate the > results from late last season where we seemed to be sailing about 5 > degrees higher with the vertical rudder.>> For those who did not follow the discussion last season, I questioned > why the leading edge of my rudder swept forward (about 18 degrees) > when I secured the down-haul. Apparently, on most Rhodes, this is not > the case; instead there is a hard stop keeping the leading edge > vertical when the down-haul is pulled tight. I've attached a photo of > my rudder in the position it takes if not restricted by the up-haul. > The hypothesis is that this forward angle causes lee helm and limiting > pointing ability on Rhodes equipped with this vintage rudder/tiller > assembly.>> Chris>>>>>> On 5/30/2023 6:26 PM, Shawn Boles wrote:>> Hi All:>>>> I couldn't sail at all last year due to septicemia, and so this year >> I was>> anxious to get back in the water and finally did so last week.>>>> As some of you know I spent the last several years or so chasing how to>> correct lee? helm, including an ill-fated attempt to rake the >> mast.(blush)>>>> I tried the method suggested in a set of emails over the past year- >> lifting>> and locking the kick up rudder so it is slightly aft of the stern, >> rather>> than tightly pulled to the stern. It worked!>>>> All hail the list.>>>> Cheers,>> Shawn>> s/v Sweet Baboo> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: IMG_4808.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 77096 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: > <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230531/b4bb6cd7/attachment.jpg>


From cknell at vt.edu  Sun Jun  4 18:17:14 2023
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:17:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <647b7517.a70a0220.d55d8.4e3d@mx.google.com>
References: <647b7517.a70a0220.d55d8.4e3d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7af0999e-dc0d-b61d-a6a9-8b00b2ca0c31@vt.edu>

Hey Joe,
I'm really interested in seeing your photos that show the forward angle 
of the leading edge of the rudder. I do see one photo at the bottom of 
your last posting, but the photo that I see is of my my boat in my 
garage. It is the one titled: 
"<http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230531/b4bb6cd7/attachment.jpg>". 
Are your pictures not attached or am I not seeing them?
Thanks,
Chris



From josephcooksfarm at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 20:16:49 2023
From: josephcooksfarm at gmail.com (Joseph Cook)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:16:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
Message-ID: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>

Hi all.  I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a search.  I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or Harken or ? 
Thanks for any help!
Joseph

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 20:44:24 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:44:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
In-Reply-To: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>
References: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR15MB31917B8088821AD317C8A4D6AF4DA@BYAPR15MB3191.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Chris,
Sorry, I couldn't get to my photos the other day. Here they are. I also have photos of the rudder rigging if you need that info.,
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joseph Cook <josephcooksfarm at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 8:16 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches

Hi all.  I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a search.  I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or Harken or ?
Thanks for any help!
Joseph
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From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  5 07:35:55 2023
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 11:35:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
In-Reply-To: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>
References: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <620821038.577019.1685964955991@mail.yahoo.com>

I recently put a CDI on my Rhodes. They come with instructions and you can find many videos on line. Including instruction videos from CDI.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 7:17 PM, Joseph Cook<josephcooksfarm at gmail.com> wrote:   Hi all.? I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a search.? I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or Harken or ? 
Thanks for any help!
Joseph  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jun  5 09:03:35 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 06:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
Message-ID: <E1q69rz-00Aoha-Vb@s152.servername.online>

Joseph,

You can find some info on furlers for the R22 in the 'Reference Pages' area on the website, under 'S' for 'Sails'.  Hopefully, this link will take you there:

http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?S|reference/Sails%20-%20Furlers.html

--Peter

> On 2023-06-04, at 20:16:49 EDT, Joseph Cook wrote:
>
> Hi all.  I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a 
> search.  I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or 
> Harken or ? 
> Thanks for any help!
> Joseph
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jun  5 14:03:23 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 18:03:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
In-Reply-To: <E1q69rz-00Aoha-Vb@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1q69rz-00Aoha-Vb@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CY8PR10MB66836BE3742B264449DE4652804DA@CY8PR10MB6683.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Joseph,

I upgraded to a Harken unit 0 roller furler many years ago.  Here?s a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s foredeck with the Harken roller furler installed:

[cid:image002.jpg at 01D997B7.01F87610]
           S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s Foredeck Showing Harken Unit 0 Roller Furler & Bi-Radial Composite Fabric Genoa

I have written extensively about this upgrade, not just the Harken roller furler; but, also the upgraded performance from the improved genoa fabric and construction technology, which the roller furler enables.  Check the archives.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 6:13 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches

Joseph,

You can find some info on furlers for the R22 in the 'Reference Pages' area on the website, under 'S' for 'Sails'.  Hopefully, this link will take you there:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Freference-topic.html%3FS%257Creference%2FSails%2520-%2520Furlers.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8ceb443656f242d81cf308db65c69790%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638215675848803404%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7ctiouhKFcMnhyDThRRUgOaWKfpKddQqenrNckAk35Y%3D&reserved=0<http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?S%7Creference/Sails%20-%20Furlers.html>

--Peter

> On 2023-06-04, at 20:16:49 EDT, Joseph Cook wrote:
>
> Hi all.  I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a
> search.  I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or
> Harken or ?
> Thanks for any help!
> Joseph
>

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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 22:46:09 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 02:46:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
References: <1036612391.634796.1686105969749.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1036612391.634796.1686105969749@mail.yahoo.com>

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged.  My boat came to me with no down haul.  There's a small cleat for the up haul (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.  I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this line run?

Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.

Peter

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 07:35:44 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 07:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <1036612391.634796.1686105969749@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64806ba1.a70a0220.f4780.00c9@mx.google.com>

There is a thumb "wheel" on the front vertical face of the rudder. It me be missing, but the female threaded insert should still be in place. When you lift up on the downhaul line, slide them under the shoulder of the wheel, and tighten the wheel to secure the downhaul.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/6/23  10:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged.? My boat came to me with no down haul.? There's a small cleat for the up haul (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.? I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this line run?Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.Peter

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 08:12:40 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 08:12:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <64806ba1.a70a0220.f4780.00c9@mx.google.com>
References: <64806ba1.a70a0220.f4780.00c9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <53E447B2-C510-47AB-B519-789A420BD4F8@yahoo.com>

My 2014 has the thumb wheel as Joe described.  
   
My ?86 has just a clam (?) cleat mounted on the side of the rudder post. The downhaul line attaches to hole in the rudder and comes up through the cleat, jamming the line, then I just wrap the excess with a few turns around the tiller. 
   
Larry



> On Jun 7, 2023, at 7:36 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There is a thumb "wheel" on the front vertical face of the rudder. It me be missing, but the female threaded insert should still be in place. When you lift up on the downhaul line, slide them under the shoulder of the wheel, and tighten the wheel to secure the downhaul.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/6/23  10:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged.  My boat came to me with no down haul.  There's a small cleat for the up haul (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.  I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this line run?Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.Peter


From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 12:43:02 2023
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:43:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furlers and searches
In-Reply-To: <620821038.577019.1685964955991@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <608058D4-282E-44FB-959A-155F3AA2242B@gmail.com>
 <620821038.577019.1685964955991@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2117755779.1094959.1686156182889@mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Joseph, Just for your information the CDI furling did not work with my stock forward stay. This my be due to the boat being a 1976. However all the turnbuckle hardware had to be changed to get the furling to mount on the stay.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 6:35 AM, david sempek<dsempek64506 at yahoo.com> wrote:   I recently put a CDI on my Rhodes. They come with instructions and you can find many videos on line. Including instruction videos from CDI.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 7:17 PM, Joseph Cook<josephcooksfarm at gmail.com> wrote:   Hi all.? I?ve been following da list for a long time but don?t know how to do a search.? I?m looking for info on replacing my old GB tube furler with a CDI or Harken or ? 
Thanks for any help!
Joseph  
  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jun  7 17:13:53 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 14:13:53 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Downhaul
Message-ID: <E1q70TZ-008OWa-ER@s152.servername.online>

Peter,

Instead of hijacking a thread, you could create a new one by changing the subject line.

On my boat, there are two holes in the forward edge of the rudder blade (see pic #1).  Lines with stopper knots are fed through these holes in opposite directions.  These lines then go into a channel at the forward edge of the upper part of the rudder, and come out below the tiller (see pic #2).  Then the lines go into a vice-like device that's tightened with a star-knob.

What I've described as two lines is really one line that loops over the tiller, and then back down.

There are lots of variations as to clamping/cleating hardware, but that's the basic routing.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-06-06, at 22:46:09 EDT, recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been 
> meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged. 
>  My boat came to me with no down haul.  There's a small cleat for the up haul 
> (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.  
> I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this 
> line run? 
> 
> Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.
> 
> Peter
> 

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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Jun  7 18:02:01 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Downhaul
In-Reply-To: <E1q70TZ-008OWa-ER@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1q70TZ-008OWa-ER@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ATHjBjMTfjm=ZDZtVmmkfvg=BJuu76PokjM5YWjXSce9A@mail.gmail.com>

My boat has a gas shock style lifter to support the lazarette hatch (sorry
I don't have a picture at the moment). I need to replace it - can anyone
suggest a source?

Thanks,
Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 5:13?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Instead of hijacking a thread, you could create a new one by changing the
> subject line.
>
> On my boat, there are two holes in the forward edge of the rudder blade
> (see pic #1).  Lines with stopper knots are fed through these holes in
> opposite directions.  These lines then go into a channel at the forward
> edge of the upper part of the rudder, and come out below the tiller (see
> pic #2).  Then the lines go into a vice-like device that's tightened with a
> star-knob.
>
> What I've described as two lines is really one line that loops over the
> tiller, and then back down.
>
> There are lots of variations as to clamping/cleating hardware, but that's
> the basic routing.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-06-06, at 22:46:09 EDT, recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've
> been
> > meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be
> rigged.
> >  My boat came to me with no down haul.  There's a small cleat for the up
> haul
> > (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the
> down haul.
> > I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how
> does this
> > line run?
> >
> > Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.
> >
> > Peter
> >
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Jun  7 18:20:21 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:20:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas shock lazarette lifter
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ATHjBjMTfjm=ZDZtVmmkfvg=BJuu76PokjM5YWjXSce9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1q70TZ-008OWa-ER@s152.servername.online>
 <CA+WP5ATHjBjMTfjm=ZDZtVmmkfvg=BJuu76PokjM5YWjXSce9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ARfZVk+MwjXhFHndgTrjRWW-90J_vL1_+_s5Hb_5YZMSA@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, I really did mean to change the subject line.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:02?PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> My boat has a gas shock style lifter to support the lazarette hatch (sorry
> I don't have a picture at the moment). I need to replace it - can anyone
> suggest a source?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 5:13?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Instead of hijacking a thread, you could create a new one by changing the
>> subject line.
>>
>> On my boat, there are two holes in the forward edge of the rudder blade
>> (see pic #1).  Lines with stopper knots are fed through these holes in
>> opposite directions.  These lines then go into a channel at the forward
>> edge of the upper part of the rudder, and come out below the tiller (see
>> pic #2).  Then the lines go into a vice-like device that's tightened with a
>> star-knob.
>>
>> What I've described as two lines is really one line that loops over the
>> tiller, and then back down.
>>
>> There are lots of variations as to clamping/cleating hardware, but that's
>> the basic routing.
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>
>> > On 2023-06-06, at 22:46:09 EDT, recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've
>> been
>> > meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to
>> be rigged.
>> >  My boat came to me with no down haul.  There's a small cleat for the
>> up haul
>> > (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the
>> down haul.
>> > I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how
>> does this
>> > line run?
>> >
>> > Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jun  7 21:16:00 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 18:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas shock lazarette lifter
Message-ID: <E1q74Fs-009Ttm-NO@s152.servername.online>

Mark,

First, thank you for not making me lecture you on the importance of subject line discipline :^)

I had a recollection that I was involved in a discussion on this very topic at some point in the past.  It turns out it was 7 years ago.  If only I could remember what I had for breakfast ...

Hopefully, there will be something in that thread that will be useful to you.  To find it, go to the 'Archives' page of the website: http://www.rhodes22.org/email-archives.html

Scroll down to the line for July 2016 and click on the 'Thread' link. The 'Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges' Thread starts about 12 lines down.  

HTH,

Peter

> On 2023-06-07, at 18:02:01 EDT, Mark Whipple wrote:
>
> My boat has a gas shock style lifter to support the lazarette hatch (sorry I 
> don't have a picture at the moment). I need to replace it - can anyone suggest a 
> source? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> Boston, MA
> 
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> 
> 
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 21:17:13 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 21:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gas shock lazarette lifter
In-Reply-To: <E1q74Fs-009Ttm-NO@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1q74Fs-009Ttm-NO@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMQjC-rEh1Ha_G3V6b43sP5xP-8XfGwJZ2fscTuxeBp6FBi2HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Try NAPA.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 9:16 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> First, thank you for not making me lecture you on the importance of
> subject line discipline :^)
>
> I had a recollection that I was involved in a discussion on this very
> topic at some point in the past.  It turns out it was 7 years ago.  If only
> I could remember what I had for breakfast ...
>
> Hopefully, there will be something in that thread that will be useful to
> you.  To find it, go to the 'Archives' page of the website:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/email-archives.html
>
> Scroll down to the line for July 2016 and click on the 'Thread' link. The
> 'Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges' Thread starts about 12 lines down.
>
> HTH,
>
> Peter
>
> > On 2023-06-07, at 18:02:01 EDT, Mark Whipple wrote:
> >
> > My boat has a gas shock style lifter to support the lazarette hatch
> (sorry I
> > don't have a picture at the moment). I need to replace it - can anyone
> suggest a
> > source?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Wed Jun  7 21:22:31 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 01:22:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB6498326DCCA67C6B06AA227EC150A@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges, re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard, and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is, if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
Best,
Barry



From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 22:03:12 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 22:03:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rudder
Message-ID: <648136eb.050a0220.7a55d.0025@mx.google.com>

Peter, Here are a couple of downhaul system.Red line is downhaul and blue is uphaul.Note that there is a stainless rod that serves as a fairleadat the bottom the helps make the 90 degree turn around the butt of the rudder to the tie-off on the rudder.The other photo shows the thumb wheel underneath the tiller. You'll have to zoom in. Hopes this helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphoneSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 22:10:58 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2023 22:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR19MB6498326DCCA67C6B06AA227EC150A@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <648138bd.050a0220.7a55d.0054@mx.google.com>

Barry, Search the Archives. There are several good entries on the centerboard, trunk and mechanism. As I recall the pin was a 1" stai less rod. You can probably get it from McMaster-Carr. You'll have to cut it, but you can get the measurement from the slot in the trunk.Hope this helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> Date: 6/7/23  9:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22 org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges, re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard, and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is, if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.Best,Barry

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 22:47:31 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 02:47:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
In-Reply-To: <64806ba1.a70a0220.f4780.00c9@mx.google.com>
References: <1036612391.634796.1686105969749@mail.yahoo.com>
 <64806ba1.a70a0220.f4780.00c9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <909106532.1064773.1686192451927@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks Joe,
 I think I found what you're talking about. On my rudder it's two bolts side by side with a plastic "bar" between the two (see attached pictures). I'm guessing the down haul line runs up the center and the wing nut locks the whole thing in place. Thanks again for your help.

Peter     On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 07:36:03 AM EDT, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 There is a thumb "wheel" on the front vertical face of the rudder. It me be missing, but the female threaded insert should still be in place. When you lift up on the downhaul line, slide them under the shoulder of the wheel, and tighten the wheel to secure the downhaul.
Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/6/23 10:46 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm 
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged.? My boat came to me with no down haul.? There's a small cleat for the up haul (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.? I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this line run?

Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.

Peter
  
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 23:20:42 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR19MB6498326DCCA67C6B06AA227EC150A@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <IA1PR19MB6498326DCCA67C6B06AA227EC150A@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT64TFUp94CAWgRttLKgrG4urgjs4BWtEfkYqg0C2rQVPw@mail.gmail.com>

Barry:

Pictures can be attached to the message just as with any email and would be
a big help as I am not sure what the issue is.

On my boat (1976) the pin around which the centerboard rotates is a
stainless steel rod. I seem to recall that it was about 1/2" diameter but
it might have been a bit larger. You should be able to buy a piece of rod
or even use a ss bolt of sufficient diameter and cut it to length.
The original board (don't know about the later diamond board design for the
centerboard) extends about an inch below the keel when retracted but it can
be pushed up into the keel. That said, the keel bottom should NOT be
resting on the trailer. The hull rests on the side bunks only and the keel
hangs clear. Resting the keel on the trailer can damage the keel and that
is a difficult repair - I know as that is what happened to me.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:22?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on
> the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a
> cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites
> and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and
> now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges,
> re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get
> to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center
> board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an
> awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in
> Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the
> stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The
> centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he
> did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we
> are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk
> back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will
> mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be
> made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
> Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two
> is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in
> the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to
> the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard,
> and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a
> cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger
> then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is
> that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch
> as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is,
> if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of
> a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I
> could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that
> goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
> Best,
> Barry
>
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 06:42:54 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 06:42:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT64TFUp94CAWgRttLKgrG4urgjs4BWtEfkYqg0C2rQVPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <IA1PR19MB6498326DCCA67C6B06AA227EC150A@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMPkPdyWDRvAN=Grzpuy4qR1LGhhY+B_veGunn=eHpTqbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Barry:

One owner on the list made his own centerboard. I think he made it out of
stainless steel and put plastic caps on the ends as bushings. He must have
his own metal lathe, but you can surely have a pin fabricated at a local
machine shop, or make it yourself if you have the tools and tooling.
He shared pictures with the list. Maybe you could find it in the archives.
I know I have the pic saved on my computer at home. I'll repost it this
evening if I get the time.

I may be in a similar situation very soon. My centerboard bounces around in
the trunk quite a bit. I bought new running rigging and lines and plan to
pull my trunk cap off in the next couple of weeks. I'm a bit apprehensive
about what I might find.

As far as the running of the centerboard pennant line, it's all preference
whether you want a 3-1, or 4-1 advantage to raise the board. I've had both.
One ended at the cb and another ended at a pad eye on the underside of the
trunk cap.

Can you post pics of your centerboard and trunk?

Wood was never a factory creation from everything I've even read or seen,
but only Stan can give a definitive answer.

Todd T.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 11:21 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Barry:
>
> Pictures can be attached to the message just as with any email and would be
> a big help as I am not sure what the issue is.
>
> On my boat (1976) the pin around which the centerboard rotates is a
> stainless steel rod. I seem to recall that it was about 1/2" diameter but
> it might have been a bit larger. You should be able to buy a piece of rod
> or even use a ss bolt of sufficient diameter and cut it to length.
> The original board (don't know about the later diamond board design for the
> centerboard) extends about an inch below the keel when retracted but it can
> be pushed up into the keel. That said, the keel bottom should NOT be
> resting on the trailer. The hull rests on the side bunks only and the keel
> hangs clear. Resting the keel on the trailer can damage the keel and that
> is a difficult repair - I know as that is what happened to me.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:22?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on
> > the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a
> > cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites
> > and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair,
> and
> > now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges,
> > re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll
> get
> > to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center
> > board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an
> > awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy
> in
> > Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the
> > stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The
> > centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but
> he
> > did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but
> we
> > are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk
> > back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will
> > mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be
> > made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
> > Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two
> > is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in
> > the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed
> to
> > the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the
> centerboard,
> > and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a
> > cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger
> > then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is
> > that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch
> > as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is,
> > if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell
> of
> > a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is
> on. I
> > could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how
> that
> > goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
> > Best,
> > Barry
> >
> >
> >
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 07:29:12 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2023 07:29:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm
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Peter, Here are a couple of downhaul system.Note that there is a stainless rod that serves as a fairleadat the bottom the helps make the 90 degree turn around the butt of the rudder to the tie-off on the rudder.The other photo shows the thumb wheel underneath the tiller. You'll have to zoom in. Hopes this helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/6/23  10:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm I don't mean to hijack the thread, but this topic reminded me that I've been meaning to ask the list about how the rudder down haul is supposed to be rigged.? My boat came to me with no down haul.? There's a small cleat for the up haul (or whatever it's called) but I don't see a comparable cleat for the down haul.? I see the hole in the rudder where the line gets tied, after that, how does this line run?Thanks, you may now return to your regularly scheduled subject.Peter

From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Jun  9 20:49:38 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 00:49:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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Thanks to Tod T, Graham S, and Jpd., for your helpful replies. Good luck to Tod when you crack your own trunk in the coming weeks. So, what I learned from the group is that the wooden pivot pin was maybe not standard, and the ones that the three of you are aware of was stainless steel. That makes sense to me. I can find some stainless rod, I'm sure. That problem is solved. Tod says he is aware of some pulley systems that did indeed have an anchor point on a pad eye on the top of the trunk, and some anchor through the hole in the centerboard. I have attached two pictures. One shows the inside of our trunk with the pennant line attached to that pad eye, and one pulley. Two more pullies are still on the line that must have gone to our old centerboard. If that's a standard configuration, we might as well stay with it. The second picture shows the centerboard we just picked up. It has the two pullies on it that would correspond with the two dangling from our existing pennant line. The two pieces of broken pivot pin are setting on the centerboard, in that picture. There are two very curious wire loops in drilled holes on each side the of the pullies. I can't for the life of me figure out what they might be for. The only thing I can think of is maybe someone put those loops on to help position the board during installation. Any ideas from you guys?? The last of my questions was, does the centerboard hang below the keel a little as a normal position. The answer was yes it does, but I believe it was said that it will push all the way into the keel and trunk manually. I hope that is the case so we can get it dropped in while it's on the trailer. As I mentioned the keel sets directly on a roller or two, so a flush centerboard would be a winner. The trailer was not a stock Rhodes trailer. I will say to the concern that she sits directly on the rollers, that the majority of the boat weight is on the bottom bunks, and side support bunks,(rails). We don't plan to trailer her other than an occasional haul out from the ram to my house.
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Jun  9 20:57:33 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 00:57:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin

Thanks to Tod T, Graham S, and Jpd., for your helpful replies. Good luck to Tod when you crack your own trunk in the coming weeks. So, what I learned from the group is that the wooden pivot pin was maybe not standard, and the ones that the three of you are aware of was stainless steel. That makes sense to me. I can find some stainless rod, I'm sure. That problem is solved. Tod says he is aware of some pulley systems that did indeed have an anchor point on a pad eye on the top of the trunk, and some anchor through the hole in the centerboard. I have attached two pictures. One shows the inside of our trunk with the pennant line attached to that pad eye, and one pulley. Two more pullies are still on the line that must have gone to our old centerboard. If that's a standard configuration, we might as well stay with it. The second picture shows the centerboard we just picked up. It has the two pullies on it that would correspond with the two dangling from our existing pennant line. The two pieces of broken pivot pin are setting on the centerboard, in that picture. There are two very curious wire loops in drilled holes on each side the of the pullies. I can't for the life of me figure out what they might be for. The only thing I can think of is maybe someone put those loops on to help position the board during installation. Any ideas from you guys?? The last of my questions was, does the centerboard hang below the keel a little as a normal position. The answer was yes it does, but I believe it was said that it will push all the way into the keel and trunk manually. I hope that is the case so we can get it dropped in while it's on the trailer. As I mentioned the keel sets directly on a roller or two, so a flush centerboard would be a winner. The trailer was not a stock Rhodes trailer. I will say to the concern that she sits directly on the rollers, that the majority of the boat weight is on the bottom bunks, and side support bunks,(rails). We don't plan to trailer her other than an occasional haul out from the ram to my house.
Barry
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Jun  9 21:04:00 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:04:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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It looks like The system doesn't like outlook. The pictures didn't come through again. So simply, thanks for helping.
Barry

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 21:29:19 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 01:29:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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Barry.
Check out these drawings and photos.
Joe Dempsey aka JPD
Trojan 42
M/V Voyager
Former Rhodes 22
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA

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Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 8:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin

Thanks to Tod T, Graham S, and Jpd., for your helpful replies. Good luck to Tod when you crack your own trunk in the coming weeks. So, what I learned from the group is that the wooden pivot pin was maybe not standard, and the ones that the three of you are aware of was stainless steel. That makes sense to me. I can find some stainless rod, I'm sure. That problem is solved. Tod says he is aware of some pulley systems that did indeed have an anchor point on a pad eye on the top of the trunk, and some anchor through the hole in the centerboard. I have attached two pictures. One shows the inside of our trunk with the pennant line attached to that pad eye, and one pulley. Two more pullies are still on the line that must have gone to our old centerboard. If that's a standard configuration, we might as well stay with it. The second picture shows the centerboard we just picked up. It has the two pullies on it that would correspond with the two dangling from our existing pennant line. The two pieces of broken pivot pin are setting on the centerboard, in that picture. There are two very curious wire loops in drilled holes on each side the of the pullies. I can't for the life of me figure out what they might be for. The only thing I can think of is maybe someone put those loops on to help position the board during installation. Any ideas from you guys?? The last of my questions was, does the centerboard hang below the keel a little as a normal position. The answer was yes it does, but I believe it was said that it will push all the way into the keel and trunk manually. I hope that is the case so we can get it dropped in while it's on the trailer. As I mentioned the keel sets directly on a roller or two, so a flush centerboard would be a winner. The trailer was not a stock Rhodes trailer. I will say to the concern that she sits directly on the rollers, that the majority of the boat weight is on the bottom bunks, and side support bunks,(rails). We don't plan to trailer her other than an occasional haul out from the ram to my house.
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 16:49:24 2023
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 16:49:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers the outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit. I hear a clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not the connections. 

I'll appreciate any help from the list.

Thanks,

Dave B
s/v Sea Cloud
Old Greenwich, CT




From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 17:12:43 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:12:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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Barry,

From looking over old files, pics, sketches and drawings, the center board
lifting set up has been both 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 over the years. Stan posted
a sketch showing the line terminating on the underside of the trunk cap. I
had an older boat that had a small removable cover to which the line was
attached. later models clearly have been upgraded to the 4 to 1 set up, as
shown in the attached pics.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:22?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on
> the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a
> cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites
> and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and
> now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges,
> re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get
> to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center
> board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an
> awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in
> Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the
> stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The
> centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he
> did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we
> are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk
> back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will
> mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be
> made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
> Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two
> is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in
> the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to
> the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard,
> and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a
> cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger
> then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is
> that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch
> as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is,
> if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of
> a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I
> could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that
> goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
> Best,
> Barry
>
>
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 17:13:49 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:13:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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More pics (from the list archives)

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 5:12?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Barry,
>
> From looking over old files, pics, sketches and drawings, the center board
> lifting set up has been both 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 over the years. Stan posted
> a sketch showing the line terminating on the underside of the trunk cap. I
> had an older boat that had a small removable cover to which the line was
> attached. later models clearly have been upgraded to the 4 to 1 set up, as
> shown in the attached pics.
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:22?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking on
>> the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was a
>> cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites
>> and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and
>> now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges,
>> re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get
>> to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center
>> board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an
>> awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in
>> Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the
>> stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The
>> centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he
>> did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we
>> are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk
>> back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will
>> mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be
>> made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
>> Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two
>> is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in
>> the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to
>> the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard,
>> and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a
>> cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger
>> then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is
>> that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch
>> as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is,
>> if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of
>> a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I
>> could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that
>> goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
>> Best,
>> Barry
>>
>>
>>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 17:15:07 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:15:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] center board pivot pin
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Pics didn't get attached.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 5:13?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> More pics (from the list archives)
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 5:12?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Barry,
>>
>> From looking over old files, pics, sketches and drawings, the center
>> board lifting set up has been both 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 over the years. Stan
>> posted a sketch showing the line terminating on the underside of the trunk
>> cap. I had an older boat that had a small removable cover to which the line
>> was attached. later models clearly have been upgraded to the 4 to 1 set up,
>> as shown in the attached pics.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:22?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend and I bought an 87 Rhodes about a year ago. I've been lurking
>>> on the site and following emails ever sense. It needed what we thought was
>>> a cabin makeover and a few other cosmetic repairs. Well a case of termites
>>> and a hurricane later we have gutted the cabin down to stringer repair, and
>>> now thanks to hurricane Ian, we have attacked top and bottom side gouges,
>>> re-faired her and are well on the way through repaint (vivid red). I'll get
>>> to interior rebuild later, but right now we have an issue with the center
>>> board that snaped in half when she floated off the trailer and came to an
>>> awkward grounding in the neighbor's yard. I found a used one from a guy in
>>> Quincy Ma. Hope it fits. The problem is our pin is broken. I have the
>>> stainless sleeve from our old board, and two pieces of the old pin. The
>>> centerboard we just got has the stainless sleeve fixed in the board, but he
>>> did not include the pin he said he had. Our trunk looks to be fine, but we
>>> are in a bad way for a new pin so we can get the center board and trunk
>>> back together. ( after bottom painting the trunk and board as she will
>>> mostly be in a slip in my canal in Florida). Our broken pin seems to be
>>> made of some kind of wood, which is hard to believe.
>>> Todays question is where can I get one or how to make one? Question two
>>> is, the diagrams I have seen show the pennant terminating at the hole in
>>> the centerboard. Our boat has the line terminating to a pad eye screwed to
>>> the trunk. Then it goes around the double block system on the centerboard,
>>> and trunk cap, and on out. I guess there is more than one way to skin a
>>> cat, but it seems like terminating at the centerboard would be stronger
>>> then to a screwed in pad eye. Thoughts on that please. Lastly for now is
>>> that our original centerboard hung proud of the keel bottom about an inch
>>> as I remember. Maybe the pin was already broken in there. The problem is,
>>> if the board normally protrudes below the keel, I'm going to have a hell of
>>> a time as the keel now sits hard on the rollers of the trailer she is on. I
>>> could send some pics of the board and broken pin, but I'm not sure how that
>>> goes in this email system. I'll just go with the note for now.
>>> Best,
>>> Barry
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jun 10 17:24:03 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 14:24:03 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
Message-ID: <E1q8643-00Bgd7-5L@s152.servername.online>

Dave,

I think Stan used a variety of specific models over the years depending on what was readily available.  I've attached a picture of mine.  In case the image quality isn't that good, the label says 'Badlands Winches' with the number '2500', with no indication of what that number might refer to.

As is probably obvious, the photo was relatively easy to take because the winch is not installed in my boat.  I converted to a manual lift system years ago, and I'm pretty pleased with that, so I won't be going back.  You're welcome to this on, if we can figure out how to get it from me to you.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-06-10, at 16:49:24 EDT, David Bradley wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers the 
> outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit. I hear a 
> clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not the 
> connections. 
> 
> I'll appreciate any help from the list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT
> 

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 18:54:56 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:54:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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I think the one on my boat was a Harbor freight winch motor.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 4:49 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers
> the outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit.
> I hear a clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not
> the connections.
>
> I'll appreciate any help from the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT
>
>
>
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Jun 10 20:31:54 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:31:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Peter, would you mind sharing the manual engine lift model. I have the electric but am not a big fan.  I know it will fail when I need it most.  Thanks 

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 5:24 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave,
> 
> I think Stan used a variety of specific models over the years depending on what was readily available.  I've attached a picture of mine.  In case the image quality isn't that good, the label says 'Badlands Winches' with the number '2500', with no indication of what that number might refer to.
> 
> As is probably obvious, the photo was relatively easy to take because the winch is not installed in my boat.  I converted to a manual lift system years ago, and I'm pretty pleased with that, so I won't be going back.  You're welcome to this on, if we can figure out how to get it from me to you.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-06-10, at 16:49:24 EDT, David Bradley wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers the 
>> outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit. I hear a 
>> clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not the 
>> connections. 
>> 
>> I'll appreciate any help from the list.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dave B
>> s/v Sea Cloud
>> Old Greenwich, CT
>> 
> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jun 10 21:14:47 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:14:47 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
Message-ID: <E1q89fL-00Cb4p-4I@s152.servername.online>

Thomas,

The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.  I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.

BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.  I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.  It was probably good marketing though...

--Peter

> On 2023-06-10, at 20:31:54 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>
> Peter, would you mind sharing the manual engine lift model. I have the electric 
> but am not a big fan.  I know it will fail when I need it most.  Thanks 
> 
> 


From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 05:11:58 2023
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 05:11:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Thanks Peter. That does sound like the way to go. Some pictures would be great. 

Dave

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 9:14 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.  I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.
> 
> BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.  I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.  It was probably good marketing though...
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2023-06-10, at 20:31:54 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>> 
>> Peter, would you mind sharing the manual engine lift model. I have the electric 
>> but am not a big fan.  I know it will fail when I need it most.  Thanks 
>> 
>> 
> 

From ruehbl at msn.com  Sun Jun 11 07:41:20 2023
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 11:41:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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I agree with the assessment that the electric winch is very nice as long as it works. We have however, been fighting the electric wench system on a couple different levels in our current makeover our Rhodes. Ours is a winch made to pull a boat onto a trailer, so it's quite robust. I can check the name if anyone wants to know. Haven't had her in the water yet, but it works fine while sitting on our trailer. lol. We have so many other issues, that it didn't come to mind to just get it out of the way. In our salt water environment, who knows how long anything electrical is going to last. I look forward to the pictures as well. I know they make off the shelf systems also.
Barry

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 9:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch

Thomas,

The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.  I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.

BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.  I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.  It was probably good marketing though...

--Peter


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jun 11 09:00:48 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 09:00:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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References: <E1q89fL-00Cb4p-4I@s152.servername.online>
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Thanks, I will probably switch over next year. 

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 9:14 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.  I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.
> 
> BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.  I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.  It was probably good marketing though...
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2023-06-10, at 20:31:54 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>> 
>> Peter, would you mind sharing the manual engine lift model. I have the electric 
>> but am not a big fan.  I know it will fail when I need it most.  Thanks 
>> 
>> 
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 09:34:38 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 09:34:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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I love the R22 Motor Lift but like everything else, requires an amount of MAINTENANCE! The winch on Respite is something like Powermatic, I don't think they're still around, but winches are almost generic. My new motor, however, put a strain on the winch which prompted me to start searching for a replacement. Although it weighs 125 Lb, it should not be a problem for the winch, as I recall, it is? 3/4 hp winch, so I decided to upgrade to 1 hp. The biggest problem is finding one with the same bolt pattern, which I believe I found at Tractor Supply. Meanwhile, the existing one has never failed. I sprayed the stainless rail that the strap turns over with silicone and the track and roller Shafts with WD40 high moisture resistant lubricant, and Voila! It operated much better. Attn: Joe Nador! Do this a couple times a season and it will take strain off of the winch. Maintenance, maintenence, maintenance! Pays for itself in spades!If interested, I can search my archives and find the winch I had planned to but. Let me know.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22?s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> Date: 6/11/23  7:41 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch I agree with the assessment that the electric winch is very nice as long as it works. We have however, been fighting the electric wench system on a couple different levels in our current makeover our Rhodes. Ours is a winch made to pull a boat onto a trailer, so it's quite robust. I can check the name if anyone wants to know. Haven't had her in the water yet, but it works fine while sitting on our trailer. lol. We have so many other issues, that it didn't come to mind to just get it out of the way. In our salt water environment, who knows how long anything electrical is going to last. I look forward to the pictures as well. I know they make off the shelf systems also.Barry________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 9:14 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winchThomas,The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.? I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.? I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.? It was probably good marketing though...--Peter

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun Jun 11 10:23:14 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:23:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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My R22 came with a Saildrive, which I've removed. More about that in
another post.

I'm now in the process of installing the General Boats motor lift. I bought
it from Stan by driving down to North Carolina a while back. I was
originally leaning towards putting in the electric motor lift so I recently
did a lot of research in the email archives. Many boats had a Chicago
Electric lift from Harbor Freight. They no longer offer that brand,
but the Badlands
2500lb winch
<https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/winches/electric-winches/2500-lb-atvutility-winch-with-wire-rope-and-wireless-remote-control-56258.html>
seems to be the replacement. That winch sells for $85 and has both wired
and wireless controls. Some owners also mentioned the Warn 2000lb winch
from Northern Tool
<https://www.northerntool.com/products/warn-12-volt-dc-powered-electric-utility-winch-2000-lb-capacity-galvanized-steel-rope-model-92000-44190>
(Warn is not one of their house brands). That one sells for $150 and
appears to only have a wired remote.

After all that research (and sore muscles from sanding and painting the
lazarette) I'm now inclined to install the manual lift instead. *One
question for the group regarding the manual lift:* it seems like it's
important that the blocks are lined up on the center of the lift as much as
possible. Can someone tell me how to do so - and perhaps post some
pictures? I've seen pictures of manual lift arrangements but I'm not sure
just what I'm looking at regarding the arrangement of the blocks.

Thanks,
Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 4:49?PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers
> the outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit.
> I hear a clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not
> the connections.
>
> I'll appreciate any help from the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT
>
>
>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 12:31:43 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 12:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmxCwb5qJS-tjmrzy-mSUQpxXFEPKAUFxRQWGBMUuYx9w@mail.gmail.com>

2 years ago my wife Emily and I took a trailer sailor cruise to the
Chesapeake. Toward the end of the cruise the motor lift motor crapped out
and we did the rest of the trip totally under sail. We anchored and docked
under sail. It was a lot of fun!
I replaced the Warn Winch with a newer comparable model. It was a b****
getting my old body in and out of the lazarette numerous times.
Modifications had to be made to the bolt holes.
I too would be interested in changing to a rope and pulley system.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jun 11 12:52:51 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 09:52:51 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Manual Outboard Lift
Message-ID: <E1q8OJ9-00Gygl-BM@s152.servername.online>

There has been some interest expressed in my manual outboard lift system, so I'll try to provide some useful pictures and description...

First, I started with Stan's motor driven system installed during a GB recycle of my boat in 2016.  Most of that hardware remains in place, and is used for the manual system.

'Outboard Lift #1' is a view of the top area with the outboard down.  The SS tube with the two black end blocks is part of the original installation that I removed.  This is the tube that the strap from the motor used to ride over.  It's just in the picture so that I can talk about it.  It was  a bit too low and too far aft to allow the outboard to be pulled all the way up.  It was replaced by a new piece of SS tubing that you can see just below the white horizontal starboard 'shelf'.  You can also see two double blocks mounted to the new tube, one to the left and one to the right.  Spreading them provides more space, again to allow the outboard to be fully raised.

'Outboard Lift #2' is looking straight down with the outboard fully lowered. The tube that the lower blocks are attached to is in the same location as the tube that the original motor strap attached to.  It may even be the same piece of tubing, I can't recall.  Most of the work is being done by the four double blocks, one of which has a becket where one end of the line attaches. I used 5/16" line, which is a little easier to grab than 1/4", and sized the blocks accordingly.  The single block at the center-top is used to try to keep the line out of the way when the outboard is fully raised.

'Outboard Lift #3' just shows the outboard full lowered from a different angle.

'Outboard Lift #4' shows the outboard full raised.  You can see that the line does deflect a bit around part of the outboard.  This has not actually been a problem.  This shot also shows the final block attached to the aft railing, which is a single with a built-in cam cleat.

'Outboard Lift #5' is a different view of the outboard fully raised.

'Outboard Lifts #6' is a closeup of the blocks with the outboard full raised.  As you can see, the knot at the end of the line is pulled up tight against the opposing block.

Obviously, there are many different ways that lines and blocks could be arranged for a manual outboard lift system, but I haven't made any changes to this setup for several seasons, so this is working for me.

HTH,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On 2023-06-11, at 05:11:58 EDT, David Bradley wrote:
>
> Thanks Peter. That does sound like the way to go. Some pictures would be great.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 

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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 15:02:52 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 19:02:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Thomas,
The winch on Respite was a Powerwinch, photo attached. Like I said earlier, it's a generic electric DC winch like you see on pick up trucks. I could not find my bolt pattern measurements, but their easy enough to measure, then search the net. The specifications of these winches give the bolt pattern.  Before you go to the trouble of replacing the winch, check the relay. It is located in the lazarette on the main power bus. Photo also attached. It is a "standard" relay that can be purchased at an automotive part store. You can see the numbers on the one in the photo. Its' worth testing it before you junk either the winch or the lift mechanism itself. I've attached an Electrical Diagram from Respite. It should be pretty standard for most R22s.  Anyone out their chime in if you see anything that's a problem. Hopefully it will be a help.

Joe Dempsey
Trojan 42
M/V Voyager
Former Rhodes 22
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 9:00 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch

Thanks, I will probably switch over next year.

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 9:14 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thomas,
>
> The manual outboard lift I use now is not a product that you can buy off-the-shelf. After removing the winch and the strap and the wiring and the switch, I added some blocks and some line.  I can take some pictures tomorrow for you, if you would like.
>
> BTW, your concern that "it will fail when I need it most" is exactly why I made the switch.  I've always thought that the electric outboard lift was out of character for Stan's general KISS design principles.  It was probably good marketing though...
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2023-06-10, at 20:31:54 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>>
>> Peter, would you mind sharing the manual engine lift model. I have the electric
>> but am not a big fan.  I know it will fail when I need it most.  Thanks
>>
>>
>

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jun 11 15:34:56 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 19:34:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Hi All,

When I bought the boat in 1987, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with a spring loaded parallelogram-style linkage motor mount from Garelick.  I used it for many years.  By 2010, the linkage pivot points were getting sloppy from wear.  Stan sold me a used manual GBI motor mount.  Here?s a picture of it.  I?ve been very happy with it.  It?s got something like 8:1 mechanical advantage with over a foot of vertical travel.  Raising the motor is nearly effortless.  One thing I like about this design, is you can stop it anywhere in it?s travel.  This can be very useful for motorsailing.  For example, on port tack, you can lower the motor all the way down, as shown in this photo.  Note how far below the waterline the lower unit is.  This will let you motor into pretty big waves without cavitation on port tack.  But, for starboard tack, having the motor this low might submerge the power head when the stern drops off a big wave.  So, you can raise the motor up until the power head is clear of the water.

The second picture shows some of the detail of the track that the motor mount rides on.  The tracks are pieces of aluminum U channel and the linear bearings are machined from PTFE.  I purchased my motor mount from Stan for instant gratification and to help support his business.  But, it doesn?t look like it would be too difficult to fabricate one for yourself from off the shelf pieces/parts.

When he had this motor mount available, I?m not sure why Stan ever went to the trouble and expense of offering an electric version.  This manual version certainly does the job for me.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Mark Whipple<mailto:mark at whipplefamily.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 10:23 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch

My R22 came with a Saildrive, which I've removed. More about that in
another post.

I'm now in the process of installing the General Boats motor lift. I bought
it from Stan by driving down to North Carolina a while back. I was
originally leaning towards putting in the electric motor lift so I recently
did a lot of research in the email archives. Many boats had a Chicago
Electric lift from Harbor Freight. They no longer offer that brand,
but the Badlands
2500lb winch
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harborfreight.com%2Fautomotive%2Fwinches%2Felectric-winches%2F2500-lb-atvutility-winch-with-wire-rope-and-wireless-remote-control-56258.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cff1d4d6bd3974391b6bb08db6a876d5d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638220902126452802%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xWlDnXHgjGXQc7hh1NKeMI2AOAJZlDSoEGZxh6d9CtE%3D&reserved=0<https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/winches/electric-winches/2500-lb-atvutility-winch-with-wire-rope-and-wireless-remote-control-56258.html>>
seems to be the replacement. That winch sells for $85 and has both wired
and wireless controls. Some owners also mentioned the Warn 2000lb winch
from Northern Tool
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.northerntool.com%2Fproducts%2Fwarn-12-volt-dc-powered-electric-utility-winch-2000-lb-capacity-galvanized-steel-rope-model-92000-44190&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cff1d4d6bd3974391b6bb08db6a876d5d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638220902126452802%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Gjf3%2BBiXE18g00a%2FjfZGFA4D03rs%2FYbquBceZAFMxcU%3D&reserved=0<https://www.northerntool.com/products/warn-12-volt-dc-powered-electric-utility-winch-2000-lb-capacity-galvanized-steel-rope-model-92000-44190>>
(Warn is not one of their house brands). That one sells for $150 and
appears to only have a wired remote.

After all that research (and sore muscles from sanding and painting the
lazarette) I'm now inclined to install the manual lift instead. *One
question for the group regarding the manual lift:* it seems like it's
important that the blocks are lined up on the center of the lift as much as
possible. Can someone tell me how to do so - and perhaps post some
pictures? I've seen pictures of manual lift arrangements but I'm not sure
just what I'm looking at regarding the arrangement of the blocks.

Thanks,
Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 4:49?PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the type, brand, or model of the 12V winch that powers
> the outboard engine lift? Mine has given 12 years of service but has quit.
> I hear a clicking sound so I think he problem is with the winch motor, not
> the connections.
>
> I'll appreciate any help from the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT
>
>
>
>

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jun 11 17:36:15 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 14:36:15 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
Message-ID: <E1q8SjP-000PVu-27@s152.servername.online>

Roger,

Thanks for the pic of the 'official' GB manual outboard lift.  

The powered lift has a feature where when the part that the outboard clamps to reaches the top of its travel, it tilts, effectively tilting the outboard without having to the the outboard's own tilt feature.  Does the original manual lift do something similar?

Thanks,

--Peter

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jun 12 07:23:50 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:23:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
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Peter,

No, my version of the manual lift does not tilt at the top of its travel.  But, the vertical travel is high enough; that, the lower unit doesn?t touch the water until the boat is heeled over ~> 15 deg on starboard tack with the engine tilt not engaged.  One click up on the engine tilt on my Honda 8 extra long shaft will allow the lower unit to clear the water until the port side rail is in the water.  When you?re heeling more than that, a little outboard lower unit drag is not much concern!

The built-in tilt at the top of it?s travel is a very clever design feature on the GBI engine mount.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger,
> 
> Thanks for the pic of the 'official' GB manual outboard lift.  
> 
> The powered lift has a feature where when the part that the outboard clamps to reaches the top of its travel, it tilts, effectively tilting the outboard without having to the the outboard's own tilt feature.  Does the original manual lift do something similar?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Peter

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:53:37 2023
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
Message-ID: <CANbEFCtkqvnSLkfTyYpEuwd0Zy9ARbSMMVue7o_QC=cEMjpZVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.  Is it safe to do so
while the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?  Anything I'm missing
or should think about?

Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 12:03:46 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
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No worries at all. I?ve had to sail with the upper shroud totally slack and
detached. That being said I would avoid doing the hop in high winds. Easy
peasy with 9 shrouds.
Chris Geanhoplis
XENOS

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 11:53 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.  Is it safe to do so
> while the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?  Anything I'm missing
> or should think about?
>
> Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake, MN
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jun 12 14:04:22 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:04:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXP_mwY+1Wn_pCnjzGsE0o77p21ZxHp5dU=86wriV9KDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtkqvnSLkfTyYpEuwd0Zy9ARbSMMVue7o_QC=cEMjpZVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Chris,

Yes as long as the 4 lower shrouds are tight and you don?t have any sail up.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:04 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?No worries at all. I?ve had to sail with the upper shroud totally slack and
> detached. That being said I would avoid doing the hop in high winds. Easy
> peasy with 9 shrouds.
> Chris Geanhoplis
> XENOS
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 11:53 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.  Is it safe to do so
>> while the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?  Anything I'm missing
>> or should think about?
>> 
>> Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake, MN
>> 

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 14:20:00 2023
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
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Thank you!

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 1:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Yes as long as the 4 lower shrouds are tight and you don?t have any sail
> up.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:04 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?No worries at all. I?ve had to sail with the upper shroud totally slack
> and
> > detached. That being said I would avoid doing the hop in high winds. Easy
> > peasy with 9 shrouds.
> > Chris Geanhoplis
> > XENOS
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 11:53 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.  Is it safe to do
> so
> >> while the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?  Anything I'm
> missing
> >> or should think about?
> >>
> >> Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 08:57:56 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:57:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCtkqvnSLkfTyYpEuwd0Zy9ARbSMMVue7o_QC=cEMjpZVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6488680e.170a0220.4f53a.3cc8@mx.google.com>

No problem, as long as you don't undo them all at once!? You can "lose" at? least four of your stays and the mast will remain.?Note shroud rollers on Respite.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> Date: 6/12/23  11:53 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work Hello everyone,I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.? Is it safe to do sowhile the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?? Anything I'm missingor should think about?Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,Matt WilsonHornblower IIWhite Bear Lake, MN
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From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 13 09:26:55 2023
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 13:26:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Shroud Work
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCtkqvnSLkfTyYpEuwd0Zy9ARbSMMVue7o_QC=cEMjpZVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtkqvnSLkfTyYpEuwd0Zy9ARbSMMVue7o_QC=cEMjpZVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2013243147.3595879.1686662815855@mail.yahoo.com>

I have replaced mine one at a time in the slip. Never had an issue. Good luckDave?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:53 AM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:   Hello everyone,

I need to replace my outer shroud/turnbuckle covers.? Is it safe to do so
while the mast is up if the lower shrouds are taut?? Anything I'm missing
or should think about?

Thanks for helping some of us newbies avoid newbie mistakes,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN
  

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 18 00:16:36 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 04:16:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pegboard removal
References: <1430942629.1152426.1687061796155.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1430942629.1152426.1687061796155@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
   My '86 Rhodes still has it's (presumably) original pegboard in the Vee bearth.  I want to run a couple of wires behind it.  The pegboard is held in place with some sort of plastic connector,  like an automotive panel clip.
   Anyone know how to remove these connectors? Do they just pop out with a panel tool?

Thanks
   Peter

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Jun 19 09:57:52 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 09:57:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pegboard removal
In-Reply-To: <1430942629.1152426.1687061796155@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1430942629.1152426.1687061796155.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1430942629.1152426.1687061796155@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00E78F95-5B49-4755-A0D8-E7778DF0FFBB@stottarchitecture.com>

Mine just had 4 SS screws with finish washers.
Ric 
Dadventure 
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 18, 2023, at 12:16 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>   My '86 Rhodes still has it's (presumably) original pegboard in the Vee bearth.  I want to run a couple of wires behind it.  The pegboard is held in place with some sort of plastic connector,  like an automotive panel clip.
>   Anyone know how to remove these connectors? Do they just pop out with a panel tool?
> 
> Thanks
>   Peter


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 15:48:33 2023
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new Rhodes 22 owner
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqa5=TOiRuHPq=7iEtFMVEUygjbR8kOOYNo4+qK7cStCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'd like to introduce Ted, the new owner of Zephyr, the Rhodes 22 that
I owned since 2019.  It was a great boat for me.  I learned so much sailing
and working on boat projects.  It just so happens that the owner before me
was also named Ted so I guess this particular R22 belongs with people named
Ted.  I am glad to see the boat go to a family that will get a lot of use
and enjoyment out of it.  Since it is staying local, I got to see the boat
out under sail with the new captain at the helm this weekend.  Zephyr
continues to look great!

Thanks to everyone on this list that helped me with my questions over the
years.  The R22 and the people that sail these boats are very high quality!

Jesse Shumaker
Former owner of R22 Zephyr
Current owner of Island Packet 380 also named Zephyr

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 17:46:34 2023
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine lift winch
In-Reply-To: <E1q8SjP-000PVu-27@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1q8SjP-000PVu-27@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <31F83C20-BB00-4608-978E-5B429ADACD17@gmail.com>

This is a somewhat belated thanks to all those who replied with information on both electric and manual lifts. I?m going to head the manual route and the photos were very helpful. 

Best to all for a great sailing season.

Dave B


> On Jun 11, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> 
> Thanks for the pic of the 'official' GB manual outboard lift.  
> 
> The powered lift has a feature where when the part that the outboard clamps to reaches the top of its travel, it tilts, effectively tilting the outboard without having to the the outboard's own tilt feature.  Does the original manual lift do something similar?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Peter


From bmg18 at me.com  Wed Jun 21 15:22:04 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
Message-ID: <091AACB7-C4FE-4CD9-9BD7-FA45DBD35C34@me.com>

My rudder uphaul cleat seems to have failed. The boat is in the water and I can?t quite tell for sure what the problem is but I would like to get a replacement before I dive in (literally) to inspect repair.  I had to do this several years ago but can it remember the proper name of the part or specs.   Can anyone help with this or provide a source?
Thanks.

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach
Shelter Island NY

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 20:43:17 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 20:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <091AACB7-C4FE-4CD9-9BD7-FA45DBD35C34@me.com>
Message-ID: <64939935.050a0220.c6f6d.d7f7@mx.google.com>

It is a jam cleat. www.defender.com, www.westmarine.com and many others.? Measure your existing cleat.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/21/23  3:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Rhodes 22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul My rudder uphaul cleat seems to have failed. The boat is in the water and I can?t quite tell for sure what the problem is but I would like to get a replacement before I dive in (literally) to inspect repair.? I had to do this several years ago but can it remember the proper name of the part or specs.?? Can anyone help with this or provide a source?Thanks.Bruce GreenwaldS/V RuachShelter Island NY

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 07:28:47 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 07:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Charging trolling motor batteries underway
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnG201g=qQyHYGzThCNK2rF_S1VGw2KzHM0JV0=S4=wOw@mail.gmail.com>

I?m going to be using a trolling motor on my inflatable for a cruise where
I will not have access to AC for charging. Does anyone know whether I can
hook up a lithium ion battery to my bank and have it charged by my 8 hp
electric at the same time as my house batteries?--
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 22 08:06:22 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 05:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Charging trolling motor batteries underway
Message-ID: <E1qCJ4w-007EVB-88@s152.servername.online>

Jeff,

I think the general recommendation would be to do this with a DC-DC charger.  However, a while back I stumbled on a YouTube video from a guy suggesting that you could just directly connect lithium and lead-acid batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec

Please let us know what you decide and how it works out.

?Peter

> On 2023-06-22, at 07:28:47 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> I?m going to be using a trolling motor on my inflatable for a cruise where I 
> will not have access to AC for charging. Does anyone know whether I can hook up 
> a lithium ion battery to my bank and have it charged by my 8 hp electric at the 
> same time as my house batteries?-- 
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 11 Sixth Avenue
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
> 732-236-1368
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jun 22 08:12:21 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 08:12:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Charging trolling motor batteries underway
In-Reply-To: <E1qCJ4w-007EVB-88@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <mailman.1983.1687435948.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Please be very careful with Li-ion batteries. They do not charge the same way as lead acid cells. The output of the outboard may not be well regulated. It may damage the battery or cause a fire.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY?
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/22/23  8:06 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Charging trolling motor batteries underway Jeff,I think the general recommendation would be to do this with a DC-DC charger.? However, a while back I stumbled on a YouTube video from a guy suggesting that you could just directly connect lithium and lead-acid batteries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXecPlease let us know what you decide and how it works out.?Peter> On 2023-06-22, at 07:28:47 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:>> I?m going to be using a trolling motor on my inflatable for a cruise where I > will not have access to AC for charging. Does anyone know whether I can hook up > a lithium ion battery to my bank and have it charged by my 8 hp electric at the > same time as my house batteries?-- > JeffSmithPhoto.Net> www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net> 11 Sixth Avenue> Atlantic Highlands, NJ? 07716> 732-236-1368> 

From bmg18 at me.com  Thu Jun 22 10:27:49 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 10:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <64939935.050a0220.c6f6d.d7f7@mx.google.com>
References: <64939935.050a0220.c6f6d.d7f7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DB585B85-F19C-4D16-8389-FDB55EBE6136@me.com>

It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on the aft side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one side and just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a source yet and don?t know if it has a special name. 

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach
Shelter Island NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:43 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It is a jam cleat. www.defender.com, www.westmarine.com and many others.  Measure your existing cleat.
> 
> Joe Dempsey
> Trojan 42
> m/v Voyager
> Former Rhodes 22
> s/v Respite
> Deltaville, VA  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 6/21/23 3:22 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Rhodes 22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
> 
> My rudder uphaul cleat seems to have failed. The boat is in the water and I can?t quite tell for sure what the problem is but I would like to get a replacement before I dive in (literally) to inspect repair.  I had to do this several years ago but can it remember the proper name of the part or specs.   Can anyone help with this or provide a source?
> Thanks.
> 
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> Shelter Island NY

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jun 22 11:08:31 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 11:08:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <DB585B85-F19C-4D16-8389-FDB55EBE6136@me.com>
References: <64939935.050a0220.c6f6d.d7f7@mx.google.com>
 <DB585B85-F19C-4D16-8389-FDB55EBE6136@me.com>
Message-ID: <C6E73BA2-E6FC-4359-BDE8-FEDAC2750CED@stottarchitecture.com>

Oh - I know what they are. 
My ?86 came with one for the Jib Furling line, one for the rudder and one for the manual motor lift.   
I have replaced them all now the Harkin  Micro-cam cleats. 
The RWO cleats work better, because the cleating angles are more compatible, but they do  not last very long. 
If you replace the RWO blocks, be sure to buy extras. 
These are ?Cam cleats? produced by a company in the UK Called ?RWO Sailing?
Here is therein link:
https://rwo-marine.com/?
They sell a few different sizes. This is the same company that makes the Turning blocks that go on the aft, trailing edge, of the Center board.
They are consuletly unique and I?ve never seen anything like them. 
The website is not so easy to navigate. 
It?s not easy, but I have purchased parts from them, including the CB blocks, 
?

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 22, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on the aft side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one side and just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a source yet and don?t know if it has a special name. 
> 
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> Shelter Island NY
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:43 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> It is a jam cleat. www.defender.com, www.westmarine.com and many others.  Measure your existing cleat.
>> 
>> Joe Dempsey
>> Trojan 42
>> m/v Voyager
>> Former Rhodes 22
>> s/v Respite
>> Deltaville, VA  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: 6/21/23 3:22 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Rhodes 22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
>> 
>> My rudder uphaul cleat seems to have failed. The boat is in the water and I can?t quite tell for sure what the problem is but I would like to get a replacement before I dive in (literally) to inspect repair.  I had to do this several years ago but can it remember the proper name of the part or specs.   Can anyone help with this or provide a source?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
>> Shelter Island NY

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 22 11:30:56 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 08:30:56 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
Message-ID: <E1qCMGu-0084cW-EX@s152.servername.online>

I?m currently on my boat in the parking lot of the Toyota dealer in Thomaston Maine waiting for my truck breaks to be fixed, so I?ve got good access to my boat, and time on my hands.

On my rudder, the uphaul line runs through a device that has a cam to port and a roller to starboard. I?ve taken a picture, but don?t know how to reduce the size on my iPad, so it might get rejected.

There?s some writing on mine that allowed me to find the manufacturer: https://rwo-marine.com/store/rope-management/camcleats/r3591-cleat-6mm-lance-p-b-pk-size-1/

Apparently, this is sometimes called a ?lance cleat?.  I haven?t found a U.S. retail source.

?Peter

> On 2023-06-22, at 10:27:49 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote:
>
> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on the aft 
> side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one side and 
> just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a source 
> yet and don?t know if it has a special name. 
> 
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> Shelter Island NY
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 

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From bmg18 at me.com  Thu Jun 22 15:31:19 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 15:31:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <E1qCMGu-0084cW-EX@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qCMGu-0084cW-EX@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <7D919FDF-1A01-4557-BAD7-C849A7B512AB@me.com>

That?s the item!  Thanks. Now to find it!

Bruce

> On Jun 22, 2023, at 11:31 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m currently on my boat in the parking lot of the Toyota dealer in Thomaston Maine waiting for my truck breaks to be fixed, so I?ve got good access to my boat, and time on my hands.
> 
> On my rudder, the uphaul line runs through a device that has a cam to port and a roller to starboard. I?ve taken a picture, but don?t know how to reduce the size on my iPad, so it might get rejected.
> 
> There?s some writing on mine that allowed me to find the manufacturer: https://rwo-marine.com/store/rope-management/camcleats/r3591-cleat-6mm-lance-p-b-pk-size-1/
> 
> Apparently, this is sometimes called a ?lance cleat?.  I haven?t found a U.S. retail source.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On 2023-06-22, at 10:27:49 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote:
>> 
>> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on the aft 
>> side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one side and 
>> just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a source 
>> yet and don?t know if it has a special name. 
>> 
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
>> Shelter Island NY
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
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From bmg18 at me.com  Thu Jun 22 15:36:06 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 15:36:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <7D919FDF-1A01-4557-BAD7-C849A7B512AB@me.com>
References: <7D919FDF-1A01-4557-BAD7-C849A7B512AB@me.com>
Message-ID: <D872F131-C7DB-48C0-B267-2D402720D5E1@me.com>

I found a few sources on-line including some that sell it as a Hobie Lance Cleat.  Apparently available with the cam on either the port or starboard side.  Thanks again.

> On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bruce Greenwald <bmg18 at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That?s the item!  Thanks. Now to find it!
> 
> Bruce
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 11:31 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m currently on my boat in the parking lot of the Toyota dealer in Thomaston Maine waiting for my truck breaks to be fixed, so I?ve got good access to my boat, and time on my hands.
>> 
>> On my rudder, the uphaul line runs through a device that has a cam to port and a roller to starboard. I?ve taken a picture, but don?t know how to reduce the size on my iPad, so it might get rejected.
>> 
>> There?s some writing on mine that allowed me to find the manufacturer: https://rwo-marine.com/store/rope-management/camcleats/r3591-cleat-6mm-lance-p-b-pk-size-1/
>> 
>> Apparently, this is sometimes called a ?lance cleat?.  I haven?t found a U.S. retail source.
>> 
>> ?Peter
>> 
>>>> On 2023-06-22, at 10:27:49 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote:
>>> 
>>> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on the aft 
>>> side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one side and 
>>> just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a source 
>>> yet and don?t know if it has a special name. 
>>> 
>>> Bruce Greenwald
>>> S/V Ruach
>>> Shelter Island NY
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
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From bmg18 at me.com  Thu Jun 22 15:38:45 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 15:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <C6E73BA2-E6FC-4359-BDE8-FEDAC2750CED@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <C6E73BA2-E6FC-4359-BDE8-FEDAC2750CED@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <79244256-5A08-48D9-B006-DB2269093E01@me.com>


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 15:45:29 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 15:45:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Charging trolling motor batteries underway
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=j4bwy0int-E-NJ6Xa_mepvQDqEf4335Hog6S2E4ZpeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Peter & Michael!
I have a healthy respect (fear) of Li-ion batteries what with all the
stories of fires coming out of NYC. Even though there are scores of
thousands of them used by delivery guys alone. A couple of years ago I
successfully converted my Specialized Crossroads into a mid drive e-Bike. I
really love it and use it alot, but  am careful to charge it in a metal
container.  Therefore I will go with the lead-acid battery.
A fire at sea can ruin your whole day.
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
732-236-1368

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 23:50:16 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 23:50:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
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I thought I might add to the mix in this discussion on rudder uphail the
configuration that I use. As the attached picture shows I simply took the
uphaul line up behind the rudder gudgeons/pintles and through a hole that I
drilled in the end of the rudder, protected with a brass budging , to a
self-releasing clam cleat. Should the rudder hit bottom the clam cleat will
release and the rudder will kick up.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76
>Graham Stewartgstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 3:36?PM Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I found a few sources on-line including some that sell it as a Hobie Lance
> Cleat.  Apparently available with the cam on either the port or starboard
> side.  Thanks again.
>
> > On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bruce Greenwald <bmg18 at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?That?s the item!  Thanks. Now to find it!
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >> On Jun 22, 2023, at 11:31 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I?m currently on my boat in the parking lot of the Toyota dealer in
> Thomaston Maine waiting for my truck breaks to be fixed, so I?ve got good
> access to my boat, and time on my hands.
> >>
> >> On my rudder, the uphaul line runs through a device that has a cam to
> port and a roller to starboard. I?ve taken a picture, but don?t know how to
> reduce the size on my iPad, so it might get rejected.
> >>
> >> There?s some writing on mine that allowed me to find the manufacturer:
> https://rwo-marine.com/store/rope-management/camcleats/r3591-cleat-6mm-lance-p-b-pk-size-1/
> >>
> >> Apparently, this is sometimes called a ?lance cleat?.  I haven?t found
> a U.S. retail source.
> >>
> >> ?Peter
> >>
> >>>> On 2023-06-22, at 10:27:49 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on
> the aft
> >>> side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one
> side and
> >>> just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a
> source
> >>> yet and don?t know if it has a special name.
> >>>
> >>> Bruce Greenwald
> >>> S/V Ruach
> >>> Shelter Island NY
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 07:33:49 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:33:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Uphaul
Message-ID: <64958339.050a0220.18f3f.3d85@mx.google.com>

I previously referred to it as a jam cleat. Respite was fitted with a Clam cleat mounted on the top of the rudder. Works on the same principle. See photo. Blue uphaul is "jammed" in the clam cleat.Hope this clears things up.Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 23 09:22:36 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT7A6_wZZZ7xm_MgOW1YFjuCFhN82cbjvv43=3nygXddSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D919FDF-1A01-4557-BAD7-C849A7B512AB@me.com>
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Message-ID: <293506D1-59F6-439C-B9A8-FD63006B958D@stottarchitecture.com>

I use the same cleat, mounted more forward and on the starboard side of the tiller.
RIC 
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 22, 2023, at 11:50 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought I might add to the mix in this discussion on rudder uphail the
> configuration that I use. As the attached picture shows I simply took the
> uphaul line up behind the rudder gudgeons/pintles and through a hole that I
> drilled in the end of the rudder, protected with a brass budging , to a
> self-releasing clam cleat. Should the rudder hit bottom the clam cleat will
> release and the rudder will kick up.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>> Graham Stewartgstewart.gm at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 3:36?PM Bruce Greenwald via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> I found a few sources on-line including some that sell it as a Hobie Lance
>> Cleat.  Apparently available with the cam on either the port or starboard
>> side.  Thanks again.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bruce Greenwald <bmg18 at me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?That?s the item!  Thanks. Now to find it!
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 11:31 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?m currently on my boat in the parking lot of the Toyota dealer in
>> Thomaston Maine waiting for my truck breaks to be fixed, so I?ve got good
>> access to my boat, and time on my hands.
>>>> 
>>>> On my rudder, the uphaul line runs through a device that has a cam to
>> port and a roller to starboard. I?ve taken a picture, but don?t know how to
>> reduce the size on my iPad, so it might get rejected.
>>>> 
>>>> There?s some writing on mine that allowed me to find the manufacturer:
>> https://rwo-marine.com/store/rope-management/camcleats/r3591-cleat-6mm-lance-p-b-pk-size-1/
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently, this is sometimes called a ?lance cleat?.  I haven?t found
>> a U.S. retail source.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Peter
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2023-06-22, at 10:27:49 EDT, Bruce Greenwald wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It?s not a jam cleat. Maybe I described incorrectly. It?s mounted on
>> the aft
>>>>> side of the rudder head and looks like one-half of a cam cleat on one
>> side and
>>>>> just a clear space adjacent to allow the line to drop. Haven?t found a
>> source
>>>>> yet and don?t know if it has a special name.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bruce Greenwald
>>>>> S/V Ruach
>>>>> Shelter Island NY
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun 23 14:46:31 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:46:31 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
Message-ID: <E1qClnj-00EykM-Hd@s152.servername.online>

I think in some cases we?re getting confused between the two lines on the rudder.  One line pulls the rudder mostly out of the water for times when it IS NOT in use, the other pulls the rudder into a forward position for times when it IS in use.  Both of these lines are pulled in an upward direction, which is perhaps why the term ?uphaul? results in some ambiguity.

In Bruce?s post that started this thread, he was talking about the line that pulls the rudder out of the water.  For this line, at least in some cases, General Boats used a ?lance cleat? mounted on the back (aft) edge of the rudder. (There?s also one on my traveler.)

?Peter


> On 2023-06-23, at 09:22:36 EDT, Ric Stott wrote:
>
> I use the same cleat, mounted more forward and on the starboard side of the 
> tiller. 
> RIC
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ric at 
> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
> 


From bmg18 at me.com  Fri Jun 23 17:37:47 2023
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder uphaul
In-Reply-To: <E1qClnj-00EykM-Hd@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qClnj-00EykM-Hd@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <58B54CA0-072A-442F-AA6A-6991D0B6B356@me.com>

Peter, thanks, and you are quite right as to my intended reference.  In the case of the line used to pull the rudder down, I had always used a 257 Clam Cleat, both because it was easy to secure and and I liked the way the release worked in the event the rudder hit bottom.  Several years ago when I had a rudder head failure Stan sent a new one with the GB ?friction  handle? - not sure what else to call it.  For me, it hasn?t worked as well or as easily but I?ve been too lazy to convert back to the Clam cleat.

As to the lance cleat, there is a marina nearby that just might have one.  If not, then I will have to shop online - Google turned up several potential sources.

> On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I think in some cases we?re getting confused between the two lines on the rudder.  One line pulls the rudder mostly out of the water for times when it IS NOT in use, the other pulls the rudder into a forward position for times when it IS in use.  Both of these lines are pulled in an upward direction, which is perhaps why the term ?uphaul? results in some ambiguity.
> 
> In Bruce?s post that started this thread, he was talking about the line that pulls the rudder out of the water.  For this line, at least in some cases, General Boats used a ?lance cleat? mounted on the back (aft) edge of the rudder. (There?s also one on my traveler.)
> 
> ?Peter
> 
> 
>> On 2023-06-23, at 09:22:36 EDT, Ric Stott wrote:
>> 
>> I use the same cleat, mounted more forward and on the starboard side of the 
>> tiller. 
>> RIC
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ric at 
>> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From edavemcgee at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 09:37:46 2023
From: edavemcgee at gmail.com (edavemcgee at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Running Rigging and Sun Damage
In-Reply-To: <006b01d9a2b0$9c29a8e0$d47cfaa0$@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d9a2b0$9c29a8e0$d47cfaa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c701d9a6a1$0fe8c9c0$2fba5d40$@gmail.com>

 

Hello All:

 

After a long time - years - out of the water and in the sun, I am working to
get our Rhodes back into the water. I am thinking of what I should replace
like the running rigging. Looking for advice on what type of and size of
(Dacron) line should I buy? Any other things I should look for in sun
damage?

 

Thank you all,

 

Dave

Washington DC


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 20:25:15 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:25:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Running Rigging and Sun Damage
In-Reply-To: <00c701d9a6a1$0fe8c9c0$2fba5d40$@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d9a2b0$9c29a8e0$d47cfaa0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMNvtk_314xDpE6M94f_p0w9Fdk8=f+6SxEO9qy3oX8nXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

I bought all new running rigging recently. I haven't rigged up yet but I'll
post what I got. The labels should be still on the coils.
I got 3 different types of line. The main halyard is a little stiffer with
less stretch than the sheets, and the centerboard pennant is a little
softer and more flexible.
I went through West Marine, but I could have likely saved money by going
elsewhere.
The only mistake I made, looking back, is that I bought two separate jib
sheets (red & reen...OCD), where a single continous sheet would have less
of a  knot to snag the clew of the headsail.

A special jib halyard is required to replace the one for the CDI furling
unit. They are either $75 or $95, I forget which.

Todd T.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 9:37 AM <edavemcgee at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hello All:
>
>
>
> After a long time - years - out of the water and in the sun, I am working
> to
> get our Rhodes back into the water. I am thinking of what I should replace
> like the running rigging. Looking for advice on what type of and size of
> (Dacron) line should I buy? Any other things I should look for in sun
> damage?
>
>
>
> Thank you all,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> Washington DC
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 19:17:45 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:17:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Running Rigging and Sun Damage
In-Reply-To: <00c701d9a6a1$0fe8c9c0$2fba5d40$@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d9a2b0$9c29a8e0$d47cfaa0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMPiFM7E4Bo7mXDW4S3_tsFWw0Wjmo=fi-rEvNeymtyAwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

I have all of my new running rigging in hand, but unfortunately the tags
that came on the coils are only the order numbers etc.
I know the main and jib sheets are 3/8 sta-set polyester. I can't access my
old West Marine orders.
The main halyard and the centerboard line are 5/16ths. The halyard is much
stiffer than the sheets. And the c/b line is a softer, and more flexible.
The lengths of each, I got from the Rhodes 22 Owner's forum archives but
added a few ft to each.

The information is in the Archives for January 2003.
I know it's not much to go on, but this is how I figured it out.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 9:37 AM <edavemcgee at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hello All:
>
>
>
> After a long time - years - out of the water and in the sun, I am working
> to
> get our Rhodes back into the water. I am thinking of what I should replace
> like the running rigging. Looking for advice on what type of and size of
> (Dacron) line should I buy? Any other things I should look for in sun
> damage?
>
>
>
> Thank you all,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> Washington DC
>
>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 06:58:18 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 06:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need new outboard
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmZsoQOvbGMAzJYC2Ssm2yOyT==zt=bG-U6RuVT_V9xfw@mail.gmail.com>

When guys I hired were trying to install my Yamaha 8 horsepower electric
motor it went in the drink. So I need a new motor. The model I had is not
readily available so I'm considering other options. Getting a motor within
the next two weeks would allow us to do the North Channel Rendezvous toward
the end of July. The motors that are available are a Honda 9.9 and a
Mercury 15. Both Electric. There is also a five horsepower with electric
charging from Mercury. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 09:18:09 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:18:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need new outboard
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmZsoQOvbGMAzJYC2Ssm2yOyT==zt=bG-U6RuVT_V9xfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmZsoQOvbGMAzJYC2Ssm2yOyT==zt=bG-U6RuVT_V9xfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUxffLPYdTtPd8pmtgWkn3gb8x2ayjw+OTWYgOx3+BVUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jeff,
Electric or electric start?
Chris Geankoplis
XENOS

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:58 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When guys I hired were trying to install my Yamaha 8 horsepower electric
> motor it went in the drink. So I need a new motor. The model I had is not
> readily available so I'm considering other options. Getting a motor within
> the next two weeks would allow us to do the North Channel Rendezvous toward
> the end of July. The motors that are available are a Honda 9.9 and a
> Mercury 15. Both Electric. There is also a five horsepower with electric
> charging from Mercury. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jun 27 10:16:15 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:16:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need new outboard
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUxffLPYdTtPd8pmtgWkn3gb8x2ayjw+OTWYgOx3+BVUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmZsoQOvbGMAzJYC2Ssm2yOyT==zt=bG-U6RuVT_V9xfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CY8PR10MB6683BCD6B43880265E84001B8027A@CY8PR10MB6683.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,

What?s the shaft length and the actual, ready to use, weight?  Assuming at least a long shaft, either motor will work.  I would expect the Mercury 15 would be a little heavy.  Even if the motor mount can handle the weight and power, hanging that much weight off the transom will affect the boat?s trim in a bad way.  Down by the stern fore/aft trim will really slow the boat down.  Think of all the relatively flat wetted surface area aft of the keel back to the transom.  When the boat has proper fore/aft trim, that region of the hull slopes slightly upward to allow the turbulent flow coming off the keel to blend smoothly and flow off the transom with minimum drag.  With down by the stern trim, the aft region of the hull behaves like the flaps on an airplane.  It generates hydrodynamic lift and a lot of drag.  You will literally be converting the part of the sail plan?s thrust into an upward force trying to lift the stern.  This is a good way to make the boat go slow!

For the record, the Rhodes 22 sails fastest with a slightly down by the bow fore/aft trim.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hey Jeff,
> Electric or electric start?
> Chris Geankoplis
> XENOS
>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:58 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> When guys I hired were trying to install my Yamaha 8 horsepower electric
>> motor it went in the drink. So I need a new motor. The model I had is not
>> readily available so I'm considering other options. Getting a motor within
>> the next two weeks would allow us to do the North Channel Rendezvous toward
>> the end of July. The motors that are available are a Honda 9.9 and a
>> Mercury 15. Both Electric. There is also a five horsepower with electric
>> charging from Mercury. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> http://www.http//JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
>>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 13:12:31 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:12:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need new outboard
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmme3s8Kq9V89MR+akVewsYe=BifXvCQ+CPP_MhrU4py6A@mail.gmail.com>

The former motor was a Yamaha 8 hp electric start, twenty inch shaft
 at about 110 lbs  The Mercury motors from 8 to 15 hp use the same block
and so weigh about the same, which with the 20" shaft is 115 lbs.  My wife
really wants electric start so that she can start the motor herself.
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
www.JeffSmithPhoto.Net
11 Sixth Avenue
Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
732-236-1368