From rehabmedicine at aol.com Tue May 2 09:19:16 2023 From: rehabmedicine at aol.com (rehabmedicine at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 13:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale References: <593256468.2830376.1683033556523.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <593256468.2830376.1683033556523@mail.yahoo.com> I have a 2009-10 Rhodes22 with Triad trailer that I am putting up for sale. The boat is in Hempstead Harbor, New York. The hull was recently painted, and sails are fairly new. Please respond if interested. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Rhodes 22 - 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 174519 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 3 06:03:10 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 06:03:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for Sale Message-ID: What are you asking? Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Thu May 4 09:43:17 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 13:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights References: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> ? I have a new to me 86 rhodes which I purchased with a broken dog assembly on one of the opening portlights.? The previous owner told me that he bumped it while stowing the table and it broke.? Prior to that it did not leak.? I devised a fix which has not been entirely successful, but which I think will ultimately work. ? Recently we've had a bit of rain, and I've been seeing some leaking from the other opening port.? Thinking that there might be some dirt in the seals, I started opening the port to wipe down the seal and the dog assembly crumbled into my hand. ? I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with the Beckson portlight plastic becoming brittle and failing unexpectedly. I'm guessing these are original to the boat and that nearly 40 years of uv has taken its toll.? Attached are some photos of the 1st portlight failure and version 2.0 of the fix Thanks, Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Polish_20230504_093804073.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1550807 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Polish_20230504_093922109.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1892031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mwhornblower at gmail.com Thu May 4 09:53:23 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 08:53:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Message-ID: Hey everyone, I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s been a long winter. Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? Many thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II White Bear Lake, MN From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu May 4 10:43:39 2023 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 10:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights In-Reply-To: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b5ecdb6-de5c-9d7c-a865-4446e68697e6@atlanticbb.net> Beckson has (or I should say had as I haven't looked lately) lots of replacement parts for their ports. If the body of the port is sound, I'd look for those. I think Defender and SailboatOwners.com have them and who knows who else. https://www.beckson.com/component.html Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/4/2023 9:43 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > ? I have a new to me 86 rhodes which I purchased with a broken dog assembly on one of the opening portlights.? The previous owner told me that he bumped it while stowing the table and it broke.? Prior to that it did not leak.? I devised a fix which has not been entirely successful, but which I think will ultimately work. > ? Recently we've had a bit of rain, and I've been seeing some leaking from the other opening port.? Thinking that there might be some dirt in the seals, I started opening the port to wipe down the seal and the dog assembly crumbled into my hand. > ? I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with the Beckson portlight plastic becoming brittle and failing unexpectedly. I'm guessing these are original to the boat and that nearly 40 years of uv has taken its toll.? Attached are some photos of the 1st portlight failure and version 2.0 of the fix > > Thanks, > Peter > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Polish_20230504_093804073.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1550807 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Polish_20230504_093922109.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1892031 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 4 13:09:37 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 17:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matt, There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole than 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is available from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; but, I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have an 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the holes are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference between being able to sail and motoring in light air. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Hey everyone, I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s been a long winter. Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? Many thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II White Bear Lake, MN From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 4 13:32:14 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 17:32:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights In-Reply-To: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, The attached article was written by me for the Rhodes 22 Owner?s Group way back in October, 1988. I just checked the Beckson Marine Products website ( www.Beckson.com ) and they will still sell you replacement parts or even whole replacement ports. Good Luck! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Roger Pihlaja A boat can never have too much ventilation. It's possible to upgrade two of the fixed ports on the Rhodes 22 to opening type ports. Because of the shape and curvature of the sides of the cabin, only the sternmost ports are suitable for this upgrade. Without a set of custom made shims, opening ports in the other four positions would have to bend so much to conform to the curvature of the cabin walls that they would inevitably leak. After two hard sailing seasons, the two opening ports I installed still don't leak a drop. Opening side ports are not a ventilation cure-all. Obviously, they must be secured when the boat is rail down, beating to weather. In addition, wind driven rain or spray will blow in through an open port. However, at anchor or at a dock, the extra ventilation above the port settee and galley makes a significant difference in cabin comfort. With a boat as beautiful as the Rhodes 22, the appearance of the side ports is very important. It turns out that a black Beckson 5" X 12" camlock port is a very close match to the existing fixed ports in terms of color, size, and shape. Figure 1 shows how the boat looks with the new port installed. Table 1 gives the parts required for this project: Table 1 # Required Part Number Description 2 P0512DBS-10 5" X 1211 Camlock, Drain, 1" Spigot, Black Smoked Glass, With Insect Screen 1 Pack of 25 BB187-02/25 -24UNC X 1/21' Barrel Nuts, Phillips Head, Nickel Plated Steel 20 10-24UNC X 1-1/4" Round Head Machine Screws, 18/8 Stainless Steel 4 5-1/2" X 1" X 3/4" Pressure Treated Wood 4 15" X 1" X 3/4" Pressure Treated Wood 1 10.3 oz Tube Dow Corning RTV Silicone Caulk, White Remove the old ports and clean away any old caulk from the inside and outside of the cabin. Use the outer trim ring from one of the new ports as a template to determine where the opening in the cabin wall will have to be enlarged. Position the trim ring so that it is aligned with the other ports and mark the outer cabin where material must be removed. You may find it convenient to use masking tape to establish a line from the other fixed ports. The safest way to enlarge the hole is with hand wood rasps, round and flat. However, before you start, tape a garbage bag over the port inside the cabin to catch the shavings. Take your time and insert the port in the hole from time to time to check the fit. When the port fits properly, try to fit the pieces of wood around the hole in between the outer cabin wall and liner. If your boat is like mine, you will find blobs of resin on the backside of the outer wall and liner. These must be removed before the pieces of wood will uniformly fill up the space between the outer wall and liner. A Dremel mototool [tm] is handy here, although the job can also be accomplished with your hand wood rasps. When the pieces of wood will slide in and out with no tight spots, glue them in place with silicone RTV and clamp the whole sandwich together with blocks of wood and C-clamps. After-the silicone RTV cures use your round wood rasp to clear away the wood in the spigot drain slots. Then, insert the port into the hole. Mark the locations for the through bolts onto the cabin liner. Remove the port and drill 1/4" diameter holes through the liner, wood, and outer cabin wall on these marks. Enlarge the holes through the cabin liner to 5/1611 diameters to permit the barrel nuts to fit. Assemble the port dry to check fit and alignment. You are trying to achieve a solid sandwich of outer trim ring, outer cabin wall, wood, inner liner, and port all held together by the thru bolts. You may have to slightly enlarge the holes or trim the machine screw lengths to get everything to fit properly. When you are satisfied, clean the inner liner and outer cabin wall with isopropyl alcohol or acetone, apply silicone RTV, and assemble the port for real. Even in the sternmost port position, there is still a slight amount of curvature to the cabin walls. It is important not to torque the thru bolts up to the point where you warp the frame of the port as this may cause the port to leak. The best procedure is to lay a straight edge on the frame of the port inside the cabin as you are tightening the thru bolts. Tighten the thru bolts, a little at a time, in a criss-cross pattern. When the ends of the port frame are touching the liner and the remainders of the thru bolts are snug but not so tight as to cause the frame to warp, the port is fully seated. At this point, the middle of the port frame will be not quite touching the liner and the gap will be filled with RTV. If your straight edge shows you have torqued the center thru bolts too much; then, slightly back them off until the frame of the port is straight again. On the outside, the much more flexible trim ring will have bent to uniformly conform itself to the curvature on the side of the cabin. Wipe off the excess RTV, which has squeezed around the inside and outside of the port and you're done! In October 1988 this project cost me about $150.00 and was accomplished over a weekend. Beckson Marine sold me the ports and barrel nuts direct. Their address is: Beckson Marine Inc. 165 Holland Ave. PO Box 3336 Bridgeport, CT 0660 203/333-1412 I'd be happy to give advice to anyone who tries this project. Roger K. Pihlaja 5326 Sanford Lake Road Sanford, MI 48657-9327 989/689-3757 (Home) Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:43 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights I have a new to me 86 rhodes which I purchased with a broken dog assembly on one of the opening portlights. The previous owner told me that he bumped it while stowing the table and it broke. Prior to that it did not leak. I devised a fix which has not been entirely successful, but which I think will ultimately work. Recently we've had a bit of rain, and I've been seeing some leaking from the other opening port. Thinking that there might be some dirt in the seals, I started opening the port to wipe down the seal and the dog assembly crumbled into my hand. I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with the Beckson portlight plastic becoming brittle and failing unexpectedly. I'm guessing these are original to the boat and that nearly 40 years of uv has taken its toll. Attached are some photos of the 1st portlight failure and version 2.0 of the fix Thanks, Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Polish_20230504_093804073.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1550807 bytes Desc: not available URL: > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Polish_20230504_093922109.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1892031 bytes Desc: not available URL: > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BC8FA692F9EA4A9699D12021806E8B28.png Type: image/png Size: 132 bytes Desc: BC8FA692F9EA4A9699D12021806E8B28.png URL: From mwhornblower at gmail.com Thu May 4 14:52:54 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 13:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was wondering if that was about right. :) Matt On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole than > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is available > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; but, > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have an > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the holes > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Hey everyone, > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > been a long winter. > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > Many thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > White Bear Lake, MN > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 4 16:12:20 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 20:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt, In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes 22, J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why the racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better than no whisker pole ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was wondering if that was about right. :) Matt On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole than > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is available > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; but, > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have an > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the holes > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Hey everyone, > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > been a long winter. > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > Many thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > White Bear Lake, MN > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 4 16:44:17 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 20:44:17 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt, The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Matt, In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes 22, J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why the racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better than no whisker pole ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was wondering if that was about right. :) Matt On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole than > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is available > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; but, > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have an > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the holes > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Hey everyone, > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > been a long winter. > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > Many thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > White Bear Lake, MN > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Foredeck Labeled.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 222595 bytes Desc: Foredeck Labeled.jpg URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu May 4 18:11:07 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 22:11:07 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt, The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a light air close reach with a triradial spinnaker. You can see the spinnaker furling sock all bunched up near the masthead. Note how the T-Track and topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends of the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible projection. The topping lift control line is led back to the cockpit. On this light air day, I haven?t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang because there isn?t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up. You can tell it?s a very light air day because the water looks glassy. Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust. You can see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down. It?s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter sheets would have been useful that day. I don?t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but, they work the same way. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.jpg at 01D97EB4.45D7BD80] Sent from Mail for Windows From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Matt, The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail> for Windows From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Matt, In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes 22, J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why the racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better than no whisker pole ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail> for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was wondering if that was about right. :) Matt On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole than > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is available > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; but, > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have an > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the holes > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail> for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Hey everyone, > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > been a long winter. > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > Many thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > White Bear Lake, MN > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Foredeck Labeled.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 222595 bytes Desc: Foredeck Labeled.jpg URL: > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 164568 bytes Desc: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg URL: From mwhornblower at gmail.com Thu May 4 22:05:39 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 21:05:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Roger! Greatly appreciated! On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Matt, > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a light > air close reach with a triradial spinnaker. You can see the spinnaker > furling sock all bunched up near the masthead. Note how the T-Track and > topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends of > the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible > projection. The topping lift control line is led back to the cockpit. On > this light air day, I haven?t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang > because there isn?t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up. > You can tell it?s a very light air day because the water looks glassy. > Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole > has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust. You can > see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down. > It?s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter > sheets would have been useful that day. > > I don?t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but, > they work the same way. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D97EB4.45D7BD80] > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Matt, > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the > previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8a9a9c2c5e5b4fb4e67b08db4ce05776%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188298646876027%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=81balvxPARFOszuD9y58k8ZRS5EbDoQM1f2YwG3VrWY%3D&reserved=0 > > for Windows > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Matt, > > In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only > be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance > from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes 22, > J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected > sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any > foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More > projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow > of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why the > racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race > committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would > be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the > ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better > than no whisker pole ? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8a9a9c2c5e5b4fb4e67b08db4ce05776%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188298646876027%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=81balvxPARFOszuD9y58k8ZRS5EbDoQM1f2YwG3VrWY%3D&reserved=0 > > for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was > wondering if that was about right. :) > > Matt > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole > than > > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is > available > > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; > but, > > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have > an > > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the > holes > > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8a9a9c2c5e5b4fb4e67b08db4ce05776%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188298646876027%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=81balvxPARFOszuD9y58k8ZRS5EbDoQM1f2YwG3VrWY%3D&reserved=0 > > for Windows > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > > been a long winter. > > > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > > > Many thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > White Bear Lake, MN > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 222595 bytes > Desc: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > URL: < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Fefae78b8%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8a9a9c2c5e5b4fb4e67b08db4ce05776%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188298646876027%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=e1Uk7GyJrhdnNWiqx1tDOdDuMpxmzaC2Q%2FuWMnuA9yE%3D&reserved=0 > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230504/efae78b8/attachment.jpg > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 164568 bytes > Desc: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230504/f771ca06/attachment.jpg > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 5 07:43:39 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 11:43:39 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matt, I used to live fairly close to you. From 2004 to 2012 I lived in the Minnetonka Edgewater Apartments on Lake Minnetonka in Spring Park, MN. Spring Park is a western suburb of Minneapolis. As you see from the picture of my wife and I on board S/V Dynamic Equilibrium at the dock, the apartment complex had it?s own marina. The sailing season officially began when the apartment complex put the docks in, usually sometime in mid May. I?ve been fishing on White Bear Lake in my kayak; but, I never got a chance to take the sailboat over there. There are so many inland lakes in Minnesota, it would take many lifetimes to sail them all. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 7:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length Thanks Roger! Greatly appreciated! On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Matt, > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a light > air close reach with a triradial spinnaker. You can see the spinnaker > furling sock all bunched up near the masthead. Note how the T-Track and > topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends of > the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible > projection. The topping lift control line is led back to the cockpit. On > this light air day, I haven?t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang > because there isn?t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up. > You can tell it?s a very light air day because the water looks glassy. > Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole > has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust. You can > see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down. > It?s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter > sheets would have been useful that day. > > I don?t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but, > they work the same way. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D97EB4.45D7BD80] > Sent from Mail> for Windows > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Matt, > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the > previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Matt, > > In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only > be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance > from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes 22, > J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected > sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any > foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More > projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow > of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why the > racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race > committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would > be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the > ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better > than no whisker pole ? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was > wondering if that was about right. :) > > Matt > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole > than > > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is > available > > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. This > > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; > but, > > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have > an > > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a > > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the > holes > > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real difference > > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it?s > > been a long winter. > > > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > > > Many thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > White Bear Lake, MN > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 222595 bytes > Desc: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > URL: < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Fefae78b8%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VLqagU4vpeGleVM0jKoLXwOfAB0%2F%2FDTgMw2Aw0QzEx0%3D&reserved=0 > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Fefae78b8%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VLqagU4vpeGleVM0jKoLXwOfAB0%2F%2FDTgMw2Aw0QzEx0%3D&reserved=0 > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 164568 bytes > Desc: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > URL: < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Ff771ca06%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Sgs502%2B51bxJzPVi2d5bQhUdHL%2FA430z6Ms2Ex850fk%3D&reserved=0 > > > From mwhornblower at gmail.com Fri May 5 08:49:04 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 07:49:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s cool Roger! Too bad you?re not still there. I know there is a Rhodes on Lake Nokomis in Mpls during the summer. Here in White Bear Lake, we still await the city to get their moorings in place. My first summer here two years ago they were in by April 27 but last year it was almost a month later. Did you ever sail Mille Lacs? Matt On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I used to live fairly close to you. From 2004 to 2012 I lived in the > Minnetonka Edgewater Apartments on Lake Minnetonka in Spring Park, MN. > Spring Park is a western suburb of Minneapolis. As you see from the > picture of my wife and I on board S/V Dynamic Equilibrium at the dock, the > apartment complex had it?s own marina. The sailing season officially began > when the apartment complex put the docks in, usually sometime in mid May. > > I?ve been fishing on White Bear Lake in my kayak; but, I never got a > chance to take the sailboat over there. There are so many inland lakes in > Minnesota, it would take many lifetimes to sail them all. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 7:05 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Thanks Roger! Greatly appreciated! > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Matt, > > > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a > light > > air close reach with a triradial spinnaker. You can see the spinnaker > > furling sock all bunched up near the masthead. Note how the T-Track and > > topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends > of > > the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible > > projection. The topping lift control line is led back to the cockpit. > On > > this light air day, I haven?t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang > > because there isn?t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up. > > You can tell it?s a very light air day because the water looks glassy. > > Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole > > has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust. You can > > see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down. > > It?s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter > > sheets would have been useful that day. > > > > I don?t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but, > > they work the same way. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D97EB4.45D7BD80] > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > > for Windows > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Matt, > > > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the > > previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Matt, > > > > In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only > > be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance > > from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes > 22, > > J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected > > sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any > > foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More > > projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind > shadow > > of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why > the > > racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race > > committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would > > be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the > > ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better > > than no whisker pole ? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was > > wondering if that was about right. :) > > > > Matt > > > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > > > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > > > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > > > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole > > than > > > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is > > available > > > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. > This > > > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; > > but, > > > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have > > an > > > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on > a > > > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > > > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the > > holes > > > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > > > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > > > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > > > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real > difference > > > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571791126%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A1YYCQqB89u%2BDNWsSfBUiRREB%2Bs9KTBIIcXkKANiQik%3D&reserved=0 > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jt6CLqSs2jTeXfCoTb%2Bx3Gvzl5zBdT4SjRUqfTWeGhA%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN > it?s > > > been a long winter. > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa? > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > Matt Wilson > > > Hornblower II > > > White Bear Lake, MN > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 222595 bytes > > Desc: Foredeck Labeled.jpg > > URL: < > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Fefae78b8%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VLqagU4vpeGleVM0jKoLXwOfAB0%2F%2FDTgMw2Aw0QzEx0%3D&reserved=0 > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230504/efae78b8/attachment.jpg > > > > < > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Fefae78b8%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VLqagU4vpeGleVM0jKoLXwOfAB0%2F%2FDTgMw2Aw0QzEx0%3D&reserved=0 > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230504/efae78b8/attachment.jpg > > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 164568 bytes > > Desc: E9203665603F4DF6B71FCCE510621522.jpg > > URL: < > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230504%2Ff771ca06%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cce3ad00cd2834e6b823608db4d0d4236%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188491571947413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Sgs502%2B51bxJzPVi2d5bQhUdHL%2FA430z6Ms2Ex850fk%3D&reserved=0 > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230504/f771ca06/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 5 09:35:24 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 13:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights In-Reply-To: <1b5ecdb6-de5c-9d7c-a865-4446e68697e6@atlanticbb.net> References: <1636740732.258806.1683207798122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1636740732.258806.1683207798122@mail.yahoo.com> <1b5ecdb6-de5c-9d7c-a865-4446e68697e6@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <1389577742.260152.1683293724234@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mary Lou, Thanks for the response and the link. Unfortunately the part that broke is molded into the portlight body. If that part is even available it will likely cost most of the cost of a new portlight and will necessitate all the work of a new install. Ultimately that's where this will probably lead, but being a cheapskate I'll exhaust the other possibilities first. Fortunately there are two mounting screws immediately adjacent to the dog assembly that can be drafted into service as mounting points for some printed parts which I hope will serve the needed purpose. Upon reflection my guess is that the gaskets are shot and that the dogs have been over tightened trying to seal the opening to the point that the plastic simply gave up and broke. My hope is that replacing the gaskets will set things right. Thanks again, Peter On Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:44:02 AM EDT, Mary Lou Troy wrote: Beckson has (or I should say had as I haven't looked lately) lots of replacement parts for their ports. If the body of the port is sound, I'd look for those. I think Defender and SailboatOwners.com have them and who knows who else. https://www.beckson.com/component.html Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/4/2023 9:43 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: >? ? I have a new to me 86 rhodes which I purchased with a broken dog assembly on one of the opening portlights.? The previous owner told me that he bumped it while stowing the table and it broke.? Prior to that it did not leak.? I devised a fix which has not been entirely successful, but which I think will ultimately work. >? ? Recently we've had a bit of rain, and I've been seeing some leaking from the other opening port.? Thinking that there might be some dirt in the seals, I started opening the port to wipe down the seal and the dog assembly crumbled into my hand. >? ? I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with the Beckson portlight plastic becoming brittle and failing unexpectedly. I'm guessing these are original to the boat and that nearly 40 years of uv has taken its toll.? Attached are some photos of the 1st portlight failure and version 2.0 of the fix > > Thanks, >? ? ? Peter > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Polish_20230504_093804073.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1550807 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Polish_20230504_093922109.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1892031 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri May 5 10:53:21 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 14:53:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matt, Yes, my wife and I spent a long weekend on Mille Lacs Lake in the summer of 2007. We launched from Father Hennepin State Park in the SE corner, anchored out in Isle Harbor & Cove Bay, and visited the Mille Lacs Indian Museum on Indian Point. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Matt Wilson Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 5:49 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length That?s cool Roger! Too bad you?re not still there. I know there is a Rhodes on Lake Nokomis in Mpls during the summer. Here in White Bear Lake, we still await the city to get their moorings in place. My first summer here two years ago they were in by April 27 but last year it was almost a month later. Did you ever sail Mille Lacs? Matt On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I used to live fairly close to you. From 2004 to 2012 I lived in the > Minnetonka Edgewater Apartments on Lake Minnetonka in Spring Park, MN. > Spring Park is a western suburb of Minneapolis. As you see from the > picture of my wife and I on board S/V Dynamic Equilibrium at the dock, the > apartment complex had it?s own marina. The sailing season officially began > when the apartment complex put the docks in, usually sometime in mid May. > > I?ve been fishing on White Bear Lake in my kayak; but, I never got a > chance to take the sailboat over there. There are so many inland lakes in > Minnesota, it would take many lifetimes to sail them all. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail> for Windows > > From: Matt Wilson > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 7:05 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > Thanks Roger! Greatly appreciated! > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Matt, > > > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a > light > > air close reach with a triradial spinnaker. You can see the spinnaker > > furling sock all bunched up near the masthead. Note how the T-Track and > > topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends > of > > the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible > > projection. The topping lift control line is led back to the cockpit. > On > > this light air day, I haven?t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang > > because there isn?t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up. > > You can tell it?s a very light air day because the water looks glassy. > > Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole > > has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust. You can > > see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down. > > It?s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter > > sheets would have been useful that day. > > > > I don?t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but, > > they work the same way. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D97EB4.45D7BD80] > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620248253%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0MyBzCGANmElFHVwn%2B%2B4Tdkp3x15smR%2FKSTJmp2ZE0c%3D&reserved=0 > >> for Windows > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Matt, > > > > The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the > > previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620248253%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0MyBzCGANmElFHVwn%2B%2B4Tdkp3x15smR%2FKSTJmp2ZE0c%3D&reserved=0 > > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620404528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fr%2BtIpCT1ShCxF%2FD232XN8c4AjJkPU3h6LlXXQfz54s%3D&reserved=0 > >>> for Windows > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:12 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Matt, > > > > In order to be ?legal? under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only > > be as long as the so called J dimension. The J dimension is the distance > > from the front of the mast to the forestay. In the case of the Rhodes > 22, > > J = 106? or 8.83?. With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected > > sail area. The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any > > foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area. More > > projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind > shadow > > of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust. This is why > the > > racing rules limit pole length to something realistic. Most PHRF race > > committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would > > be considered ?legal?, if not ideal. A 7? long whisker pole is not the > > ideal length for a Rhodes 22. But, a free ?short? whisker pole is better > > than no whisker pole ? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620404528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fr%2BtIpCT1ShCxF%2FD232XN8c4AjJkPU3h6LlXXQfz54s%3D&reserved=0 > > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620404528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fr%2BtIpCT1ShCxF%2FD232XN8c4AjJkPU3h6LlXXQfz54s%3D&reserved=0 > >>> for Windows > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:53 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > Thanks Roger. Makes sense. I have been given a 7? spinnaker pole and was > > wondering if that was about right. :) > > > > Matt > > > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > There is no single ?ideal length? whisker pole. The correct length > > > depends on the wind speed and point of sail. I use a Forespar 6?-12? > > > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both > > > ends. The outer tube OD is 1-1/4?. Don?t use a smaller diameter pole > > than > > > 1-1/4? OD or your genoa will fold it half! This whisker pole is > > available > > > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H. > This > > > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast. This fixed ring is OK; > > but, > > > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole. So, I have > > an > > > 18? long piece of Schaefer 1? racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on > a > > > car that slides on this track. I also use the T-Track for my triradial > > > spinnaker. I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the > > holes > > > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height > > > adjustment. In light air, it?s also helpful to have a topping lift to > > > support the outboard end of the pole. This way, the weight of the pole > > > does not prevent the foresail from inflating. It makes a real > difference > > > between being able to sail and motoring in light air. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail< > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620404528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fr%2BtIpCT1ShCxF%2FD232XN8c4AjJkPU3h6LlXXQfz54s%3D&reserved=0 > > > > < > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C05cd4ccec8f44bdbc0ff08db4d67243d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638188877620404528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fr%2BtIpCT1ShCxF%2FD232XN8c4AjJkPU3h6LlXXQfz54s%3D&reserved=0 > >>> for Windows > > > > > > From: Matt Wilson > > > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! 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Problem solved. I thought it was a poor design to have opening part lites on a non vertical surface like the forward cabin trunk.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Date: 5/4/23 9:43 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beckson opening portlights ? I have a new to me 86 rhodes which I purchased with a broken dog assembly on one of the opening portlights.? The previous owner told me that he bumped it while stowing the table and it broke.? Prior to that it did not leak.? I devised a fix which has not been entirely successful, but which I think will ultimately work.? Recently we've had a bit of rain, and I've been seeing some leaking from the other opening port.? Thinking that there might be some dirt in the seals, I started opening the port to wipe down the seal and the dog assembly crumbled into my hand.? I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with the Beckson portlight plastic becoming brittle and failing unexpectedly. I'm guessing these are original to the boat and that nearly 40 years of uv has taken its toll.? Attached are some photos of the 1st portlight failure and version 2.0 of the fixThanks, ??? Peter-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Polish_20230504_093804073.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 1550807 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Polish_20230504_093922109.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 1892031 bytesDesc: not availableURL: From jldunnie at comcast.net Thu May 11 11:47:58 2023 From: jldunnie at comcast.net (JAMES DUNNIE JR) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 11:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Message-ID: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Hi folks, I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on the site! As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. Thanks, Jim From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu May 11 12:00:45 2023 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 11:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Hi James, I was actually just going to post about my R22 for sale. I love my R22 - both sailing it and doing projects on it as well. However, my wife and I got an Island Packet 380 (which we'll eventually liveaboard and use for long term passage making) and we're spending as much time on that as possible. When we're not on the IP380 in the Chesapeake, I'm back in Nebraska and my sailing time is taken up racing on a Snipe. Here's a link to more info about Zephyr, my R22 for sale (with Triad trailer), including features, asking price, etc. My cell number is on the linked document. Feel free to give me a call if you are interested. The same goes for anyone else that might be interested. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oGaysVrdBgswIaO9kvXsLD1WIGiPybFR/view?usp=drivesdk Thanks, Jesse On Thu, May 11, 2023, 10:48 AM JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > Hi folks, > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on > the site! > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. I > have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of > a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Jim > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Thu May 11 12:09:45 2023 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 10:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <019D12DB-AE13-4227-AD76-16F7C17C01D2@gmail.com> I have a boat for sale in Florida. It needs some care. single axle trailer, 9hp motor with alternator to charge batteries, and both push button and manual start. $6,000 Luis A. Guzm?n II http://www.TropicalMinds.com 941 580-1577 > On 11 May 2023, at 9:47, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on the site! > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Jim From dave at dlwelch.net Thu May 11 13:35:11 2023 From: dave at dlwelch.net (David Welch) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 10:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: James, I bought my $6K good condition Rhodes three years ago because Jesse at our club had done all the research and we wanted to grow up to be like him. We?ve gladly invested at least another $15K in it. We?re not done as it?s our retirement toy for keeps. And yet we don?t yet have a boat comparable to Shumaker?s. I?d trade him in a heartbeat. I?m shocked at Jesse?s asking price. Had he asked my opinion, I would have suggested $25K. Jesse?s the real deal. No one at our club is more highly respected. -Dave Welch On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 9:00 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi James, I was actually just going to post about my R22 for sale. I love > my R22 - both sailing it and doing projects on it as well. However, my > wife and I got an Island Packet 380 (which we'll eventually liveaboard and > use for long term passage making) and we're spending as much time on that > as possible. When we're not on the IP380 in the Chesapeake, I'm back in > Nebraska and my sailing time is taken up racing on a Snipe. > > Here's a link to more info about Zephyr, my R22 for sale (with Triad > trailer), including features, asking price, etc. My cell number is on the > linked document. Feel free to give me a call if you are interested. The > same goes for anyone else that might be interested. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oGaysVrdBgswIaO9kvXsLD1WIGiPybFR/view?usp=drivesdk > > Thanks, > Jesse > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023, 10:48 AM JAMES DUNNIE JR > wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything > on > > the site! > > > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. > I > > have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > > would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know > of > > a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:12:14 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <645d3011.630a0220.7f589.a242@mx.google.com> Hey Jim, Welcome to The List. What do you consider reasonable?Joe Dempsey?Trojan 42? m/v Voyager? Former Rhodes 22s/v Respite? Deltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: JAMES DUNNIE JR Date: 5/11/23 11:48 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Hi folks,I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on the site!As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22.? I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 would fit my current needs/wants.? If you are selling your boat or know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.Thanks,Jim From oehecht at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:13:23 2023 From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 14:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I need to sell Fretless as we don?t have the time to sail her anymore after getting an adventure van to explore the country in. She?s a great boat with a lot of features and equipment, but needs some TLC as I haven?t even seen her since the Fall and last sailed her almost two years ago. She?s in Edgewater Maryland on her trailer. I was hoping to get a few sails in this area since we towed her from the Rappahannock last summer, but I?m not sure I can even make that happen now. ? On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:35 PM David Welch wrote: > James, > > I bought my $6K good condition Rhodes three years ago because Jesse at our > club had done all the research and we wanted to grow up to be like him. > We?ve gladly invested at least another $15K in it. We?re not done as it?s > our retirement toy for keeps. And yet we don?t yet have a boat comparable > to Shumaker?s. I?d trade him in a heartbeat. > > I?m shocked at Jesse?s asking price. Had he asked my opinion, I would have > suggested $25K. > > Jesse?s the real deal. No one at our club is more highly respected. > > -Dave Welch > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 9:00 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi James, I was actually just going to post about my R22 for sale. I > love > > my R22 - both sailing it and doing projects on it as well. However, my > > wife and I got an Island Packet 380 (which we'll eventually liveaboard > and > > use for long term passage making) and we're spending as much time on that > > as possible. When we're not on the IP380 in the Chesapeake, I'm back in > > Nebraska and my sailing time is taken up racing on a Snipe. > > > > Here's a link to more info about Zephyr, my R22 for sale (with Triad > > trailer), including features, asking price, etc. My cell number is on the > > linked document. Feel free to give me a call if you are interested. The > > same goes for anyone else that might be interested. > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oGaysVrdBgswIaO9kvXsLD1WIGiPybFR/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023, 10:48 AM JAMES DUNNIE JR > > wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything > > on > > > the site! > > > > > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. > > I > > > have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > > > would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know > > of > > > a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:34:17 2023 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 14:34:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <688F2F04-89BC-45C8-8A86-B92D32C57839@gmail.com> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy to completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then glass /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a taller mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this heavier hand laid cloth hull. All free for hauling. Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com > On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > > ?Hi folks, > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on the site! > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Jim From mwhornblower at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:51:42 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 13:51:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <688F2F04-89BC-45C8-8A86-B92D32C57839@gmail.com> References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> <688F2F04-89BC-45C8-8A86-B92D32C57839@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original 1990 boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains. Thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II White Bear Lake, MN On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness wrote: > I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has > already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop > rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy to > completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then glass > /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. > Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. > Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. > On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a taller > mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this > heavier hand laid cloth hull. > All free for hauling. > > Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com > > > On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR > wrote: > > > > ?Hi folks, > > > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything > on the site! > > > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. > I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of > a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 11 15:56:06 2023 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 15:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> <688F2F04-89BC-45C8-8A86-B92D32C57839@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d98442$a1b211d0$e5163570$@ebsmed.com> Matt, The hull joint leaks usually when under sail. Rain water in the bilge can most often be traced to poor bedding of ports or deck hardware. Also, check the cockpit seat drains for full flow. Leaves easily clog the drain lines and they back up into the seat gutters and into the lazarette or the cabin. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Matt Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 2:52 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original 1990 boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains. Thanks, Matt Wilson Hornblower II White Bear Lake, MN On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness wrote: > I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has > already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop > rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy > to completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then > glass /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. > Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. > Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. > On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a > taller mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan > for this heavier hand laid cloth hull. > All free for hauling. > > Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com > > > On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR > wrote: > > > > ?Hi folks, > > > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most > > everything > on the site! > > > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. > I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes > 22 would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or > know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Thu May 11 16:01:24 2023 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 20:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1872635428.751484.1683820078278@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <605136421.737532.1683835284129@mail.yahoo.com> James, Not knowing your location. I will ask you to return my email and we can talk about my s/v Mary Jane, an '86 I am mostly retired from, and a superb craft you will probably be very interested in.? It will be my pleasure to talk with you about an excellent sailing craft.? As they say "Tally ho!" Art CzerwonkyATLANTA? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: Hi folks, I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on the site! As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22.? I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 would fit my current needs/wants.? If you are selling your boat or know of a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. Thanks, Jim From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu May 11 19:19:59 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 19:19:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <645d7835.170a0220.99926.e238@mx.google.com> Hey Jesse, Good looking Rhodes! I think you're under priced. I sold my 89/05 in December for 21K. The buyer contacted me 15 minutes after I posted my flyer on The List, which makes me think i was under priced. Yours looks as good or better than mine. I made alot of improvements too. I expect yours is more up to date. Many of the Rhodes I've seen on The List look poorly maintained. The Rhodes community needs to protect the value of this great vessel.Just my two cents.? Good luck with your sale.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Jesse Shumaker Date: 5/11/23 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Hi James, I was actually just going to post about my R22 for sale.? I lovemy R22 - both sailing it and doing projects on it as well.? However, mywife and I got an Island Packet 380 (which we'll eventually liveaboard anduse for long term passage making) and we're spending as much time on thatas possible.? When we're not on the IP380 in the Chesapeake, I'm back inNebraska and my sailing time is taken up racing on a Snipe.Here's a link to more info about Zephyr, my R22 for sale (with Triadtrailer), including features, asking price, etc. My cell number is on thelinked document.? Feel free to give me a call if you are interested.? Thesame goes for anyone else that might be interested.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oGaysVrdBgswIaO9kvXsLD1WIGiPybFR/view?usp=drivesdkThanks,JesseOn Thu, May 11, 2023, 10:48 AM JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote:> Hi folks,>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on> the site!>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22.? I> have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22> would fit my current needs/wants.? If you are selling your boat or know of> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.>> Thanks,>> Jim> From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu May 11 19:28:21 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 19:28:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <645d7a18.170a0220.99926.e287@mx.google.com> Matt,Try re-bedding all the port lights and grab rails on the deck house for starters. Then re-bed your car tracks.A poor seam on the hull/deck joint shouldn't allow rain water in.?Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Matt Wilson Date: 5/11/23 2:51 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original 1990boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.Thanks,Matt WilsonHornblower IIWhite Bear Lake, MNOn Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness wrote:> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls.? Deck has> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy to> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up!? Then glass> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a taller> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this> heavier hand laid cloth hull.> All free for hauling.>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>> > On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR > wrote:> >> > ?Hi folks,> >> > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything> on the site!> >> > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22.> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22> would fit my current needs/wants.? If you are selling your boat or know of> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Jim> From jamcando126 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 20:38:30 2023 From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 00:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats In-Reply-To: <0c9509ef-2d79-0171-be34-d5e2ad0bf50d@generalboats.com> References: <0c9509ef-2d79-0171-be34-d5e2ad0bf50d@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <844242140.714146.1683851910663@mail.yahoo.com> Stan, it is now 3 months with my new knee and on your advice I take a supplement of vitamin C every day. ?I just bought another R22 from Florida and my friends has to bring it home for me. ?It is sad how some people totally disrespect the R22 and don?t give it the love it deserves. ?The boat is a 2008 and believe it?s never been to the Factory for a refit. It has most of your bells and whistles but not maintained. ?I did a FaceTime with the old owner and of course here only showed what I wanted to see. ?That be said I own it now and started to clean it up and make a list of its short comings. ?Do you have a boat for this year?s show or are you done with all that? ?I should be able to help this year if?needed. ?Im not getting the other knee replacement until after theBig show. ? Let me know your thoughts and I?ll stay in touch.Regards John Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, February 18, 2023, 4:19 PM, stan wrote: ED, seems whatever technical gods there be, must be working today. Here I am in the middle of a book long response to your prior email when I hear my Apple signal an incoming new message. Hang in there. I am hoping to hit 'send' today, tomorrow the latest.? My problem is age.? After 94 I noticed my mind and my body starting to part company; they both are slowing down but for different excuses: It takes more energy to get me out of bed each day so less hours available for work. While each year that I manage to make it through, whether I want to or not, I get a little more knowledgeable, "smarts" that I feel I should be passing along.? And that slows me down. stan Smith Mountain Lake?? One of her haunts Rose told me about. She was a hill billy from Roanoke who got an RN license from the Medical College of VA that opened the world for her and added a bit more validity to grandma's belief of opposites attracting. I have not seen friends or family come near our 72 years of such joyous living as one. The business offers some small relief from the pain so that remains the plan. 2/18/23 12:12 PM, Ed McNamara wrote: > I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts. > I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone > else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done? > Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can > live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll > go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that > happen. > > Thanks, > Ed McNamara > S/V Scholar > Smith Mountain Lake VA From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Thu May 11 23:49:46 2023 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 23:49:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com> Yes! The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling. The aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly. The shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of stress through the corroding rivets. Additionally they were only sealed with silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed together! ? The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start. My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them. The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge soaking the cabin floor over and over. Fixes include glassing in the aft lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out new drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the big main drain/scupper Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube. My tube (waterhose section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting! (More floor soaking) Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding hatch to name a few more sieve points. Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius! Great boats, great adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling of Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat! ???? > On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original 1990 > boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains. > > Thanks, > Matt Wilson > Hornblower II > White Bear Lake, MN > >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness wrote: >> >> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has >> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop >> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy to >> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then glass >> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. >> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. >> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. >> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a taller >> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this >> heavier hand laid cloth hull. >> All free for hauling. >> >> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com >> >>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR >> wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi folks, >>> >>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything >> on the site! >>> >>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. >> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 >> would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of >> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim >> From dave at dlwelch.net Fri May 12 00:05:15 2023 From: dave at dlwelch.net (David Welch) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 21:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com> References: <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow. That post is a keeper! On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness wrote: > Yes! The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling. The > aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they > could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly. The > shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of stress > through the corroding rivets. Additionally they were only sealed with > silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like > 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed > together! ? > The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start. > My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them. > The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will > overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge > soaking the cabin floor over and over. Fixes include glassing in the aft > lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out new > drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the big > main drain/scupper > Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube. My tube (waterhose > section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting! (More floor soaking) > Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding hatch to > name a few more sieve points. > > Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius! Great boats, great > adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling of > Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat! > ???? > > > On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson wrote: > > > > ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original > 1990 > > boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt Wilson > > Hornblower II > > White Bear Lake, MN > > > >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness > wrote: > >> > >> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has > >> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop > >> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy > to > >> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then glass > >> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. > >> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. > >> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. > >> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a taller > >> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this > >> heavier hand laid cloth hull. > >> All free for hauling. > >> > >> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com > >> > >>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Hi folks, > >>> > >>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything > >> on the site! > >>> > >>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. > >> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > >> would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know > of > >> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jim > >> > From mwhornblower at gmail.com Fri May 12 10:00:41 2023 From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 09:00:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much everyone Matt Wilson On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch wrote: > Wow. That post is a keeper! > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness wrote: > > > Yes! The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling. > The > > aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they > > could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly. The > > shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of stress > > through the corroding rivets. Additionally they were only sealed with > > silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like > > 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed > > together! ? > > The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start. > > My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them. > > The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will > > overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge > > soaking the cabin floor over and over. Fixes include glassing in the aft > > lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out new > > drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the > big > > main drain/scupper > > Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube. My tube (waterhose > > section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting! (More floor soaking) > > Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding hatch > to > > name a few more sieve points. > > > > Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius! Great boats, great > > adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling of > > Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat! > > ???? > > > > > On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson > wrote: > > > > > > ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original > > 1990 > > > boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt Wilson > > > Hornblower II > > > White Bear Lake, MN > > > > > >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has > > >> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop > > >> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy > > to > > >> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then > glass > > >> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22. > > >> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work. > > >> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes. > > >> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a > taller > > >> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this > > >> heavier hand laid cloth hull. > > >> All free for hauling. > > >> > > >> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com > > >> > > >>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> ?Hi folks, > > >>> > > >>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most > everything > > >> on the site! > > >>> > > >>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes > 22. > > >> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes > 22 > > >> would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or > know > > of > > >> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Jim > > >> > > > From talbotpratt at gmail.com Sat May 13 11:57:41 2023 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (Talbot Pratt) Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 11:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Divorced and moved. Have to sell my Rhodes! OK to call / text with questions. 978 994 0704 Sell sheet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PXIoj9YIQtYocFTrEWbTokdwLa6fkLGKxxsN1noecjc/edit?usp=drivesdk Photos https://photos.app.goo.gl/H1b8BKiX55nRZ1VS9 From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sun May 14 23:54:18 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 03:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top mast fitting References: <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I just put my new-to-me Rhodes in the water and I'm having an issue with the pop top. The block with the anchor point on the mast is not locking in place so the front of the pop top drops. There's a small pin with a split ring on it that looks bent which I'm guessing is the locking pin. I'm presuming this is a spring loaded pin that engages a hole in the mast to lock the bracket in place. Is that correct? Is there anyway to remove the whole assembly without dropping the mast? Any advice about how to proceed? Thanks, Peter From kensimolo at gmail.com Mon May 15 00:03:19 2023 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 21:03:19 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top mast fitting In-Reply-To: <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had to drop the mast to remove the pin. Mine had bent as well and I made a repplacement rather than bending the original back. You can use a bungee etc to secure the block to the mast. We did that until the end of the season and then repaired the block when the past was down for the winter. Ken On May 14, 2023 at 11:54:27 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi All, I just put my new-to-me Rhodes in the water and I'm having an issue with the pop top. The block with the anchor point on the mast is not locking in place so the front of the pop top drops. There's a small pin with a split ring on it that looks bent which I'm guessing is the locking pin. I'm presuming this is a spring loaded pin that engages a hole in the mast to lock the bracket in place. Is that correct? Is there anyway to remove the whole assembly without dropping the mast? Any advice about how to proceed? Thanks, Peter From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon May 15 06:14:05 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 06:14:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top mast fitting Message-ID: I think you can buy a replacement at McMaster Carr. It is called a plunge pin. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 11:49:50 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 15:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top mast fitting In-Reply-To: References: <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1122978085.1762818.1684122858788@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465924692.1944460.1684165790367@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, that's what I figured. I was hoping there was a simpler path. Bungee (or similar) it is! Peter On Monday, May 15, 2023, 12:03:21 AM EDT, Ken Simolo wrote: #yiv3850362340 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}I had to drop the mast to remove the pin.? Mine had bent as well and I made a repplacement rather than bending the original back. You can use a bungee etc to secure the block to the mast.? We did that until the end of the season and then repaired the block when the past was down for the winter. Ken On May 14, 2023 at 11:54:27 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list (rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi All, I just put my new-to-me Rhodes in the water and I'm having an issue with the pop top. The block with the anchor point on the mast is not locking in place so the front of the pop top drops. There's a small pin with a split ring on it that looks bent which I'm guessing is the locking pin. I'm presuming this is a spring loaded pin that engages a hole in the mast to lock the bracket in place. Is that correct? Is there anyway to remove the whole assembly without dropping the mast? Any advice about how to proceed? Thanks, Peter From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 17 17:36:06 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] North Channel Trailer Sailor Rendezvous Message-ID: R22 Radiant has signed up. July 22 to August 5 is the full cruise. Emily and I are joining July 28 to the end. There are a few spots left. Maybe something to consider. Just Google it. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From dave at dlwelch.net Wed May 17 17:48:31 2023 From: dave at dlwelch.net (David Welch) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 14:48:31 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] North Channel Trailer Sailor Rendezvous In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, I just googled rhodes 22 cruise July 22nd through August 5, 2023. I got nothing but commercial cruise hits. Please guide me. I?m curious to know about the Rhodes gathering/activity you?re referring to. Thanks. -Dave On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 2:36 PM Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > R22 Radiant has signed up. > July 22 to August 5 is the full cruise. Emily and I are joining July 28 to > the end. There are a few spots left. Maybe something to consider. Just > Google it. > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 17 19:01:01 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 19:01:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] North Channel Trailer Sailer Rhendezvous zvous Message-ID: Try this URL: https://www.trailersailors.info/ Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 17 19:06:54 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 19:06:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] North Channel Rendezvous Message-ID: I might be cool to establish a Rhodes Rendezvous within the North Channel Rendezvous... Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From stan at generalboats.com Wed May 17 21:58:20 2023 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 21:58:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] North Channel Trailer Sailer Rhendezvous zvous In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555a8d4a-2fa2-db52-2353-e313f54e0828@generalboats.com> On 5/17/23 7:01 PM, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > Try this URL: https://www.trailersailors.info/ > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 08:46:09 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, Peter From kensimolo at gmail.com Thu May 18 09:21:36 2023 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 06:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You might try motoring for a little bit. Ken On May 18, 2023 at 8:46:16 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi all, So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. br/> < Thanks as always, br/> Peter < From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu May 18 09:31:29 2023 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 09:31:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7075E4D3-99B1-48BB-9567-452BF9B4E5DE@stottarchitecture.com> I moor my R22 in shallow water. When the tide is extra low, the keel sits on the bottom. Sometimes a small stone will wedge between the trunk and the CB blade and jamb the blade in its trunk. I can free it sometimes by pulling up and releasing the CB control line. I also have a 3/16 metal rod I push down the control line tube and push on the top of the blade. Last resort is a swim under the boat. I have had to use a screw driver to scrape the stone out but usually a downward tug on the back of the blade will free it. Be careful because it will swing down quickly and it?s heavy. Always have a helper. Good luck. Ric sv Dadventure. HBNY Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Ken Simolo wrote: > > ? You might try motoring for a little bit. > > Ken > > On May 18, 2023 at 8:46:16 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: > > Hi all, > So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few > projects before taking her out for a first sail. > Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line > and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the > board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a > stuck centerboard. br/> < > Thanks as always, br/> Peter < From dave at dlwelch.net Thu May 18 12:51:18 2023 From: dave at dlwelch.net (David Welch) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 09:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <7075E4D3-99B1-48BB-9567-452BF9B4E5DE@stottarchitecture.com> References: <7075E4D3-99B1-48BB-9567-452BF9B4E5DE@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Our CB control line was a little sticky and didn't want to move until lubricated with some water. We solved the problem by replacing it with a thinner line. On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:31?AM Ric Stott wrote: > I moor my R22 in shallow water. When the tide is extra low, the keel sits > on the bottom. Sometimes a small stone will wedge between the trunk and the > CB blade and jamb the blade in its trunk. > I can free it sometimes by pulling up and releasing the CB control line. > I also have a 3/16 metal rod I push down the control line tube and push on > the top of the blade. Last resort is a swim under the boat. I have had to > use a screw driver to scrape the stone out but usually a downward tug on > the back of the blade will free it. Be careful because it will swing down > quickly and it?s heavy. > Always have a helper. > Good luck. > Ric > sv Dadventure. > HBNY > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Ken Simolo wrote: > > > > ? You might try motoring for a little bit. > > > > Ken > > > > On May 18, 2023 at 8:46:16 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few > > projects before taking her out for a first sail. > > Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line > > and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on > the > > board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing > a > > stuck centerboard. br/> < > > Thanks as always, br/> Peter < > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 18 13:09:39 2023 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 13:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401d989ab$8a220ac0$9e662040$@ebsmed.com> Hi Peter, The reason that the centerboard fails to lower can be for many reasons. The line or tackle might be jammed, a sheeve has broken or the board may be stuck in the centerboard trunk due to an obstruction. Simply pulling up and releasing the centerboard line may free the board. I do not recommend allowing the board to drop freely to its bottom position as it can damage the pivot hardware or the trunk. Since I am based in the Long Island Sound, if my board movement becomes restricted, I always think of marine growth such as mussels or barnacles on the sides of the board or inside of the trunk. Some folks have been successful at releasing the board by sliding a thin piece of plastic alongside the board from underneath to dislodge the obstruction, marine life or stones. Be very careful as the marine growth can be very sharp and may cause infection if you are cut by it. The best solution, of course, is to retrieve the craft from the water and open the centerboard trunk after removing the cabin sole (floor). There are some 60 bolts holding the cap to the trunk. This can require several hours or a day to complete, including applying bottom paint to the board and the interior of the trunk. Usually, the gasket can be reused, The most common solution is to sail for the season with the board up and work on the centerboard while on the hard for winter. This will limit your ability to point close to the wind and control side slippage BUT YOU WILL BE SAILING! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:46 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck Hi all, So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, Peter From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 14:08:39 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 18:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <002401d989ab$8a220ac0$9e662040$@ebsmed.com> References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> <002401d989ab$8a220ac0$9e662040$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <6169668.367858.1684433319642@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Michael, Seems like I'm gonna get wet before this gets solved. Sure glad this isn't a 600 pound iron swing keel! To the best of my knowledge the boat has been sailed in freshwater lakes, so while not impossible, I think marine growth is unlikely. I'll plan on some pressure from Below while someone controls the line from the cockpit, unless it comes free from motor vibration. I'm hoping not to put it on the trailer until sometime in October, so maybe I'll sail with it "up" until then. Thanks for your thoughts Peter On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 01:09:50 PM EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote: Hi Peter, The reason that the centerboard fails to lower can be for many reasons. The line or tackle might be jammed, a sheeve has broken or the board may be stuck in the centerboard trunk due to an obstruction. Simply pulling up and releasing the centerboard line may free the board. I do not recommend allowing the board to drop freely to its bottom position as it can damage the pivot hardware or the trunk. Since I am based in the Long Island Sound, if my board movement becomes restricted, I always think of marine growth such as mussels or barnacles on the sides of the board or inside of the trunk. Some folks have been successful at releasing the board by sliding a thin piece of plastic alongside the board from underneath to dislodge the obstruction, marine life or stones. Be very careful as the marine growth can be very sharp and may cause infection if you are cut by it. The best solution, of course, is to retrieve the craft from the water and open the centerboard trunk after removing the cabin sole (floor). There are some 60 bolts holding the cap to the trunk. This can require several hours or a day to complete, including applying bottom paint to the board and the interior of the trunk. Usually, the gasket can be reused, The most common solution is to sail for the season with the board up and work on the centerboard while on the hard for winter. This will limit your ability to point close to the wind and control side slippage BUT YOU WILL BE SAILING! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:46 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck Hi all, ? So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water? at her slip.? I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit.? Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, ? ? ? Peter From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu May 18 15:12:41 2023 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 15:12:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <7075E4D3-99B1-48BB-9567-452BF9B4E5DE@stottarchitecture.com> References: <7075E4D3-99B1-48BB-9567-452BF9B4E5DE@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <4fc53f0d-fbb7-663d-9083-747064775337@atlanticbb.net> All good suggestions. When we had our R22 on the Chesapeake it didn't happen often but the problem was almost always marine growth or a tangle in the line. If you have some upward play in the line, you might try first to pull it up and release multiple times. Second try was rocking the boat back and forth with the line held loosely. We also would try this while motoring. We never had to go swimming to loosen it up. Best of luck. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246,? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/18/2023 9:31 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > I moor my R22 in shallow water. When the tide is extra low, the keel sits on the bottom. Sometimes a small stone will wedge between the trunk and the CB blade and jamb the blade in its trunk. > I can free it sometimes by pulling up and releasing the CB control line. > I also have a 3/16 metal rod I push down the control line tube and push on the top of the blade. Last resort is a swim under the boat. I have had to use a screw driver to scrape the stone out but usually a downward tug on the back of the blade will free it. Be careful because it will swing down quickly and it?s heavy. > Always have a helper. > Good luck. > Ric > sv Dadventure. > HBNY > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 18, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Ken Simolo wrote: >> >> ? You might try motoring for a little bit. >> >> Ken >> >> On May 18, 2023 at 8:46:16 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few >> projects before taking her out for a first sail. >> Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line >> and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the >> board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a >> stuck centerboard. br/> < >> Thanks as always, br/> Peter < From kensimolo at gmail.com Thu May 18 18:44:05 2023 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 15:44:05 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <6169668.367858.1684433319642@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> <002401d989ab$8a220ac0$9e662040$@ebsmed.com> <6169668.367858.1684433319642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ours sometimes does not drop down right away but pulling up and releasing on the rope a few times and then motoring seems to do the trick. I would not be too quick to go for a swim. You are likely just dealing with some algae and scum. Being in the water for a bit might also help. Ken On May 18, 2023 at 2:08:46 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list ( rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi Michael, Seems like I'm gonna get wet before this gets solved. Sure glad this isn't a 600 pound iron swing keel! To the best of my knowledge the boat has been sailed in freshwater lakes, so while not impossible, I think marine growth is unlikely. I'll plan on some pressure from Below while someone controls the line from the cockpit, unless it comes free from motor vibration. I'm hoping not to put it on the trailer until sometime in October, so maybe I'll sail with it "up" until then. Thanks for your thoughts Peter On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 01:09:50 PM EDT, Michael D. Weisner < mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote: Hi Peter, The reason that the centerboard fails to lower can be for many reasons. The line or tackle might be jammed, a sheeve has broken or the board may be stuck in the centerboard trunk due to an obstruction. Simply pulling up and releasing the centerboard line may free the board. I do not recommend allowing the board to drop freely to its bottom position as it can damage the pivot hardware or the trunk. Since I am based in the Long Island Sound, if my board movement becomes restricted, I always think of marine growth such as mussels or barnacles on the sides of the board or inside of the trunk. Some folks have been successful at releasing the board by sliding a thin piece of plastic alongside the board from underneath to dislodge the obstruction, marine life or stones. Be very careful as the marine growth can be very sharp and may cause infection if you are cut by it. The best solution, of course, is to retrieve the craft from the water and open the centerboard trunk after removing the cabin sole (floor). There are some 60 bolts holding the cap to the trunk. This can require several hours or a day to complete, including applying bottom paint to the board and the interior of the trunk. Usually, the gasket can be reused, The most common solution is to sail for the season with the board up and work on the centerboard while on the hard for winter. This will limit your ability to point close to the wind and control side slippage BUT YOU WILL BE SAILING! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:46 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck Hi all, So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water at her slip. I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit. Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, Peter From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 20:03:31 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 00:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: References: <1530810460.227164.1684413969789.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1530810460.227164.1684413969789@mail.yahoo.com> <002401d989ab$8a220ac0$9e662040$@ebsmed.com> <6169668.367858.1684433319642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1846136934.31.1684454611379@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, that's good to hear as it'll be a few weeks before the lake starts to warm up. I'll see if I can free it up this weekend. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 06:44:07 PM EDT, Ken Simolo wrote: Ours sometimes does not drop down right away but pulling up and releasing on the rope a few times and then motoring seems to do the trick.? I would not be too quick to go for a swim.? You are likely just dealing with some algae and scum.? Being in the water for a bit might also help. Ken On May 18, 2023 at 2:08:46 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list (rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi Michael, Seems like I'm gonna get wet before this gets solved. Sure glad this isn't a 600 pound iron swing keel! To the best of my knowledge the boat has been sailed in freshwater lakes, so while not impossible, I think marine growth is unlikely. I'll plan on some pressure from Below while someone controls the line from the cockpit, unless it comes free from motor vibration. I'm hoping not to put it on the trailer until sometime in October, so maybe I'll sail with it "up" until then. Thanks for your thoughts Peter On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 01:09:50 PM EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote: Hi Peter, The reason that the centerboard fails to lower can be for many reasons. The line or tackle might be jammed, a sheeve has broken or the board may be stuck in the centerboard trunk due to an obstruction. Simply pulling up and releasing the centerboard line may free the board. I do not recommend allowing the board to drop freely to its bottom position as it can damage the pivot hardware or the trunk. Since I am based in the Long Island Sound, if my board movement becomes restricted, I always think of marine growth such as mussels or barnacles on the sides of the board or inside of the trunk. Some folks have been successful at releasing the board by sliding a thin piece of plastic alongside the board from underneath to dislodge the obstruction, marine life or stones. Be very careful as the marine growth can be very sharp and may cause infection if you are cut by it. The best solution, of course, is to retrieve the craft from the water and open the centerboard trunk after removing the cabin sole (floor). There are some 60 bolts holding the cap to the trunk. This can require several hours or a day to complete, including applying bottom paint to the board and the interior of the trunk. Usually, the gasket can be reused, The most common solution is to sail for the season with the board up and work on the centerboard while on the hard for winter. This will limit your ability to point close to the wind and control side slippage BUT YOU WILL BE SAILING! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:46 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck Hi all, ? So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water? at her slip.? I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail. Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit.? Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, ? ? ? Peter From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu May 18 21:10:49 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 21:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck In-Reply-To: <1846136934.31.1684454611379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6466cc9a.e90a0220.d1e3.44e6@mx.google.com> In the meantime, put some slack in the board pendant so if it shakes loose, it eill drop a few inchedS. If it does, from that point you can activate it as needed. From then on, I don't recommend keeping the board hauled all the way in the up position. You will always be able to move the board.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Date: 5/18/23 8:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "Michael D. Weisner" , The Rhodes 22 Email List , Ken Simolo Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuck Thanks, that's good to hear as it'll be a few weeks before the lake starts to warm up. I'll see if I can free it up this weekend.???? On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 06:44:07 PM EDT, Ken Simolo wrote:? ? Ours sometimes does not drop down right away but pulling up and releasing on the rope a few times and then motoring seems to do the trick.? I would not be too quick to go for a swim.? You are likely just dealing with some algae and scum.? Being in the water for a bit might also help.Ken On May 18, 2023 at 2:08:46 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list (rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org) wrote: Hi Michael, Seems like I'm gonna get wet before this gets solved. Sure glad this isn't a 600 pound iron swing keel! To the best of my knowledge the boat has been sailed in freshwater lakes, so while not impossible, I think marine growth is unlikely. I'll plan on some pressure from Below while someone controls the line from the cockpit, unless it comes free from motor vibration. I'm hoping not to put it on the trailer until sometime in October, so maybe I'll sail with it "up" until then.Thanks for your thoughts Peter On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 01:09:50 PM EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote: Hi Peter,The reason that the centerboard fails to lower can be for many reasons. The line or tackle might be jammed, a sheeve has broken or the board may be stuck in the centerboard trunk due to an obstruction. Simply pulling up and releasing the centerboard line may free the board. I do not recommend allowing the board to drop freely to its bottom position as it can damage the pivot hardware or the trunk.Since I am based in the Long Island Sound, if my board movement becomes restricted, I always think of marine growth such as mussels or barnacles on the sides of the board or inside of the trunk. Some folks have been successful at releasing the board by sliding a thin piece of plastic alongside the board from underneath to dislodge the obstruction, marine life or stones. Be very careful as the marine growth can be very sharp and may cause infection if you are cut by it.The best solution, of course, is to retrieve the craft from the water and open the centerboard trunk after removing the cabin sole (floor). There are some 60 bolts holding the cap to the trunk. This can require several hours or a day to complete, including applying bottom paint to the board and the interior of the trunk. Usually, the gasket can be reused,The most common solution is to sail for the season with the board up and work on the centerboard while on the hard for winter. This will limit your ability to point close to the wind and control side slippage BUT YOU WILL BE SAILING!Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter via Rhodes22-listSent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:46 AMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard stuckHi all,? So my new-to-me '86 rhodes is in the water? at her slip.? I'm doing a few projects before taking her out for a first sail.Just to get a feel for the centerboard weight I uncleated the line and....nothing, didn't move a bit.? Before I dive in and try pulling on the board, I thought I'd ask if there's another (warmer) approach to freeing a stuck centerboard. Thanks as always, ? ? ? Peter ? From canusmajor54 at gmail.com Fri May 19 18:18:46 2023 From: canusmajor54 at gmail.com (Jeff Kantor) Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 18:18:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling "La Roussette" Message-ID: I'm moving along. I want to see her going to a good custodian who can bring her potential to full realization. 1973 Rhodes 22 Continental ?La Roussette? Ready to sail with Rolly Tasker Main, GBI 160 Furler, Nissan NS8B kicker with remote on tiller control. Garelick Motor Mount. Updated kick up rudder and traveler. LED lighting and updated electrical panel. Main and lazarette bilge pumps. Porta Pottie. Upgrades ready to install include CDI Furler, Stainless Bow Pulpit and Stern Rail. Bimini, Pop Top Enclosure. Cabin seating cushions (and numerous spares) as well as V Berth and Cockpit Cushions. These are from a conglomeration of sets and can benefit from custom coverings. Have extra standing rigging, boom, traveler, rudder. Cabin Top Hatch Lid. Has GBI Mast Raising System Winch and Crutch as well as Homebuilt crutch to fit without Stern Rail. Trailer is modified per specs from the R22 Group List with new (appropriate) springs and tires. Asking $3500. Text before calling, or leave a message. Email is always OK. Jeff Kantor 917.825.5380 From hankstein at aol.com Mon May 22 15:55:39 2023 From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 19:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new owner question References: <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703@mail.yahoo.com> Would anyone know what was once attached to the front of my mast maybe a foot below the forestay attachment ? Two tapped holes and (maybe a 1/2") access hole. Steaming light ?? ?Deck light ?? ?? Thanks ..? ?Hank? ?(1993 R22 "Muireann") -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1684785208980blob.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 67475 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2023-05-22, at 15:55:39 EDT, hankstein at aol.com wrote: > > Would anyone know what was once attached to the front of my mast maybe a foot > below the forestay attachment ? > Two tapped holes and (maybe a 1/2") access hole. > Steaming light ?   Deck light ? > Thanks ..   Hank   (1993 R22 "Muireann") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230522/eab962ea/attachment.jpg" > target="_blank">1684785208980blob.jpg > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230522/eab962ea/attachment-0001.jpg" > target="_blank">1684785235314blob.jpg > From snstaum at gmail.com Mon May 22 19:39:22 2023 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 19:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new owner question In-Reply-To: <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Probably a steaming light. Stephen Staum s/v Pinafore Needham, MA On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 3:55 PM hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Would anyone know what was once attached to the front of my mast maybe a > foot below the forestay attachment ? > Two tapped holes and (maybe a 1/2") access hole. > Steaming light ? Deck light ? > Thanks .. 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From hankstein at aol.com Mon May 22 19:46:12 2023 From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 23:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new owner question In-Reply-To: References: <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1325755684.1046623.1684785339703@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <352895463.1158112.1684799172945@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks.??Not some secret Rhodes doohicky that these boats are loaded with LOL.? Thanks again - hank Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:39 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: Probably a steaming light.? Stephen Staums/v Pinafore?Needham, MA On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 3:55 PM hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list wrote: Would anyone know what was once attached to the front of my mast maybe a foot below the forestay attachment ? Two tapped holes and (maybe a 1/2") access hole. Steaming light ?? ?Deck light ?? ?? Thanks ..? ?Hank? ?(1993 R22 "Muireann") -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1684785208980blob.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 67475 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1684785235314blob.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63759 bytes Desc: not available URL: -- Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Mon May 22 22:57:15 2023 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 20:57:15 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale Message-ID: <76896191-0AAE-4BB7-8BA3-A4CF39BD3510@gmail.com> My Rhodes 22 is for sale. Good bargain https://www.ebay.com/itm/235021612328 Luis A. Guzm?n II http://www.TropicalMinds.com 941 580-1577 From tavares0947 at gmail.com Tue May 23 18:20:46 2023 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 18:20:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale In-Reply-To: <76896191-0AAE-4BB7-8BA3-A4CF39BD3510@gmail.com> References: <76896191-0AAE-4BB7-8BA3-A4CF39BD3510@gmail.com> Message-ID: I know this is trivial, but it says the beam is only 6ft. Todd T On Mon, May 22, 2023, 10:57 PM Luis Guzman wrote: > My Rhodes 22 is for sale. Good bargain > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/235021612328 > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > http://www.TropicalMinds.com > 941 580-1577 > > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Tue May 23 19:26:17 2023 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 17:26:17 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <611CF144-674F-4C17-8F1F-0FBF7BE28963@gmail.com> Todd, sorry, I was not there to take measurements. What are the dimensions of the boat. I?ll correct the listing Sent from my iPhone > On 23 May 2023, at 4:21 p.m., Todd Tavares wrote: > > ?I know this is trivial, but it says the beam is only 6ft. > > Todd T > >> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 10:57 PM Luis Guzman wrote: >> >> My Rhodes 22 is for sale. Good bargain >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/235021612328 >> >> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com >> 941 580-1577 >> >> From tavares0947 at gmail.com Tue May 23 19:32:25 2023 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 19:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale In-Reply-To: <611CF144-674F-4C17-8F1F-0FBF7BE28963@gmail.com> References: <611CF144-674F-4C17-8F1F-0FBF7BE28963@gmail.com> Message-ID: My bimini tracks right at the forward end of the cockpit I know are 92" center to center, so I'd say 8 ft. (96"). I guess that's about the widest point on the hull... Todd T On Tue, May 23, 2023, 7:26 PM Luis Guzman wrote: > Todd, sorry, I was not there to take measurements. What are the dimensions > of the boat. I?ll correct the listing > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 23 May 2023, at 4:21 p.m., Todd Tavares > wrote: > > > > ?I know this is trivial, but it says the beam is only 6ft. > > > > Todd T > > > >> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 10:57 PM Luis Guzman > wrote: > >> > >> My Rhodes 22 is for sale. Good bargain > >> > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/235021612328 > >> > >> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > >> 941 580-1577 > >> > >> > From jldunnie at comcast.net Tue May 23 20:36:42 2023 From: jldunnie at comcast.net (JAMES DUNNIE JR) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 20:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? Message-ID: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> Hi all, I have a chance to buy a Rhodes 22 that does not have a trailer. Does anyone have a galvanized trailer (no boat) for sale? Thanks, Jim From bobfcohen at gmail.com Tue May 23 21:05:04 2023 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 21:05:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> References: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> I do. The trailer is in Onekama, MI. Bob Cohen Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2023, at 8:36 PM, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have a chance to buy a Rhodes 22 that does not have a trailer. Does anyone have a galvanized trailer (no boat) for sale? > > Thanks, > > Jim From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Tue May 23 21:36:30 2023 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 01:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> References: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <410075186.1759637.1684892190041@mail.yahoo.com> I need a rudder. Any out there?Art Czerwonky?A_czerwonky at yahoo.com? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:05 PM, Robert Cohen wrote: I do.? The trailer is in Onekama, MI. Bob Cohen Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2023, at 8:36 PM, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have a chance to buy a Rhodes 22 that does not have a trailer. Does anyone have a galvanized trailer (no boat) for sale? > > Thanks, > > Jim From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Tue May 23 21:39:36 2023 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 01:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes for sale In-Reply-To: References: <611CF144-674F-4C17-8F1F-0FBF7BE28963@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1812126421.63426.1684892376293@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone have a rudder available for sale?Art Czerwonky?A_czerwonky at yahoo.com? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:32 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: My bimini tracks right at the forward end of the cockpit I know are 92" center to center, so I'd say 8 ft. (96"). I guess that's about the widest point on the hull... Todd T On Tue, May 23, 2023, 7:26 PM Luis Guzman wrote: > Todd, sorry, I was not there to take measurements. What are the dimensions > of the boat. I?ll correct the listing > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 23 May 2023, at 4:21 p.m., Todd Tavares > wrote: > > > > ?I know this is trivial, but it says the beam is only 6ft. > > > > Todd T > > > >> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 10:57 PM Luis Guzman > wrote: > >> > >> My Rhodes 22 is for sale. Good bargain > >> > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/235021612328 > >> > >> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > >> 941 580-1577 > >> > >> > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed May 24 05:57:42 2023 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 05:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Diamond Board Message-ID: While applying bottom paint, I noticed a 4" crack on the leading edge of the DB. Is the board fiberglass? If so grinding out the void and reglassing should not be a problem. If iron it may be more difficult. Best Regards Jeff Smith www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net 732-236-1368 From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 08:44:34 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 12:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine. Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts. Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season, your input has been invaluable. In the course of setting up my running rigging I discovered that the outhaul car on the boom has a chunk missing and should be replaced. Does anyone have a source for this part? Thanks yet again Peter From rweiss at siu.edu Wed May 24 09:01:39 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 13:01:39 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought one last year from General Boats by emailing Charles Gabriel at charles.gabriel at gmail.com Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 7:44 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. Hi All, I took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine. Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts. Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season, your input has been invaluable. In the course of setting up my running rigging I discovered that the outhaul car on the boom has a chunk missing and should be replaced. Does anyone have a source for this part? Thanks yet again Peter From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed May 24 09:11:21 2023 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 06:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Diamond Board Message-ID: I believe that all variations of centerboards and rudders are 100% fiberglass. Even if there is something else at the core, grinding and reglassing should be a viable strategy for the edges. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2023-05-24, at 05:57:42 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote: > > While applying bottom paint, I noticed a 4" crack on the leading edge of the DB. > Is the board fiberglass? If so grinding out the void and reglassing should not > be a problem. If iron it may be more difficult. > > Best Regards > Jeff Smith > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net > 732-236-1368 > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed May 24 09:29:22 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:29:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <646e1144.170a0220.cf328.0150@mx.google.com> Peter,?A chunk was broken off of the sheave of my outhaul. The sheave is replacable. Try West, Defender et al. I replaced mine with Stans new outhaul design. Short of Stan, try RigRite, they have lots of sailing hardware and fittings. Somewhere on The List is reference to an associate of Stan's who is his source for the new outhaul as well as the new traveller design.Best,Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA??Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Date: 5/24/23 8:44 AM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks Hi All,??? I? took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine.? Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts.??? Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season,? your input has been invaluable. ??? In the course of setting up my running rigging I discovered that the outhaul car on the boom has a chunk missing and should be replaced.?? Does anyone have a source for this part?Thanks yet again ?? Peter From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Wed May 24 09:48:27 2023 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:48:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, You probably ought to send a photo. There have been more changes to this part over the years than practically any other part. Actually, I'd encourage everyone to reply to this thread with a picture of their outhaul cars. If they included the age of the boat and if they replaced what they had with something different and why, we could build quite an archive around this thread. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/24/2023 8:44 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Hi All, > I took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine. Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts. > Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season, your input has been invaluable. > In the course of setting up my running rigging I discovered that the outhaul car on the boom has a chunk missing and should be replaced. Does anyone have a source for this part? > > Thanks yet again > Peter From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed May 24 09:55:57 2023 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:55:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> References: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9C337EF1-5F6E-4637-8509-1C00DAA1EA92@stottarchitecture.com> Robert How much do you want for the Galvanized trailer? Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On May 23, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Robert Cohen wrote: > > Onekama, MI. From rweiss at siu.edu Wed May 24 09:58:35 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 13:58:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here is a photo of my old outhaul car plus my new one (bought from Stan) installed. Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 8:48:27 AM To: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. Hi Peter, You probably ought to send a photo. There have been more changes to this part over the years than practically any other part. Actually, I'd encourage everyone to reply to this thread with a picture of their outhaul cars. If they included the age of the boat and if they replaced what they had with something different and why, we could build quite an archive around this thread. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/24/2023 8:44 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Hi All, > I took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine. Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts. > Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season, your input has been invaluable. > In the course of setting up my running rigging I discovered that the outhaul car on the boom has a chunk missing and should be replaced. Does anyone have a source for this part? > > Thanks yet again > Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2591552 bytes Desc: Image.jpeg URL: From jldunnie at comcast.net Wed May 24 10:12:27 2023 From: jldunnie at comcast.net (JAMES DUNNIE JR) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 10:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> References: <614920986.318082.1684888602730@connect.xfinity.com> <8C02FBCC-B844-4E8B-B925-E9F57C0AFA4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <281317579.330967.1684937547899@connect.xfinity.com> Bob, Kind of far, but I am interested. Could you post some details on the trailer? Thanks, Jim > On 05/23/2023 9:05 PM EDT Robert Cohen wrote: > > > I do. The trailer is in Onekama, MI. > Bob Cohen > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 23, 2023, at 8:36 PM, JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > > > > ?Hi all, > > > > I have a chance to buy a Rhodes 22 that does not have a trailer. Does anyone have a galvanized trailer (no boat) for sale? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim From bobfcohen at gmail.com Wed May 24 12:48:48 2023 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 12:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <9C337EF1-5F6E-4637-8509-1C00DAA1EA92@stottarchitecture.com> References: <9C337EF1-5F6E-4637-8509-1C00DAA1EA92@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <40463CE6-4798-4DF9-8E2F-365B4423A788@gmail.com> $1000 Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > > ?Robert > How much do you want for the Galvanized trailer? > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On May 23, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Robert Cohen wrote: >> >> Onekama, MI. > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed May 24 15:45:15 2023 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 15:45:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? In-Reply-To: <40463CE6-4798-4DF9-8E2F-365B4423A788@gmail.com> Message-ID: Picture? -------- Original message --------From: Robert Cohen Date: 5/24/23 12:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Any trailers for sale? $1000Sent from my iPhone> On May 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Ric Stott wrote:> > ?Robert > How much do you want for the Galvanized trailer?> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On May 23, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Robert Cohen wrote:>> >> Onekama, MI.> From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed May 24 17:33:26 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 21:33:26 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good idea Mary, Here are the two that I had. I think it's obvious which is the older. "Respite" is a 1989 that Stan Re-cycled in 2005. I don't know if the older outhaul car was an '89 or not. It is a PDF. file and uses specs from Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. Roger Pihlaja posted some specs on The List years back. There are some discrepancies from these which could reflect a difference in things like forestays vs. different models of Jib furler. Roger has/had a Harken furler, where as "Respite" has a CDI 2, but dimensions for shrouds, tangs and spreader fittings are helpful to have. Hope this helps. Joe Dempsey Trojan 42 m/v Voyager Ex-Rhodes 22 s/v Respite Deltaville, VA ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 9:48 AM To: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks Hi Peter, You probably ought to send a photo. There have been more changes to this part over the years than practically any other part. Actually, I'd encourage everyone to reply to this thread with a picture of their outhaul cars. If they included the age of the boat and if they replaced what they had with something different and why, we could build quite an archive around this thread. 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Inventory list attached. pictures available via text. make reasonable offers. send phone number for pics On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:48?AM JAMES DUNNIE JR wrote: > Hi folks, > > I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most everything on > the site! > > As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes 22. I > have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes 22 > would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or know of > a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1995 Rhoades 22 Inventory List.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 239779 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cknell at vt.edu Wed May 24 21:03:01 2023 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 21:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post In-Reply-To: <00ea01d8ed3f$8a8a1f60$9f9e5e20$@ebsmed.com> References: <00ea01d8ed3f$8a8a1f60$9f9e5e20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: As promised in my summary of the centerboard pendant replacement back in October 2022, the length of line that I used to replace the pendant was about 13 feet total. This includes about 7 feet of travel, and another 4 feet that is always above the cleat. The last 2 feet are always out of sight. I am pleased (and relieved) to report that after a couple of days in the water, the bilge is completely dry. That is, no leaks as a result disassembling and reassembling the centerboard trunk. I used the same (original?) gasket on the cap of the trunk. I'm curious: how much of the pendant is always above the cleat on a factory Rhodes? That is, with the centerboard fully down, what is the approximate length of the pendant from the cleat to the handle on the end? I thought 4' was appropriate, but I should have asked the List before putting knife to rope. Chris on LBI On 10/31/2022 11:43 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Chris on LBI was unable to post this attachment. I'm not sure what went > wrong but the link to his attachment is: > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20221029/9ff4fc00/at > tachment.pdf > > > > Clicking on the link seems to work fine. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris > on LBI > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 1:10 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to > Post > > > > > From lgioia at yahoo.com Wed May 24 21:42:39 2023 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 21:42:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86062BC4-EB17-4073-A492-B53DF99C5436@yahoo.com> My 2014 Rhodes came with about 1.5? of line above the cleat when centerboard is fully down. My used ?86 has 4? or 5? - way too much for using the t-handle - but I?m sure it?s not the original line. Larry 2014 Language Of Love, Lake George NY 1986 Still unnamed, Keystone Lake, Odessa FL > On May 24, 2023, at 9:03 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?As promised in my summary of the centerboard pendant replacement back in October 2022, the length of line that I used to replace the pendant was about 13 feet total. This includes about 7 feet of travel, and another 4 feet that is always above the cleat. The last 2 feet are always out of sight. > > I am pleased (and relieved) to report that after a couple of days in the water, the bilge is completely dry. That is, no leaks as a result disassembling and reassembling the centerboard trunk. I used the same (original?) gasket on the cap of the trunk. > > I'm curious: how much of the pendant is always above the cleat on a factory Rhodes? That is, with the centerboard fully down, what is the approximate length of the pendant from the cleat to the handle on the end? I thought 4' was appropriate, but I should have asked the List before putting knife to rope. > > Chris on LBI > > > > >> On 10/31/2022 11:43 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: >> Chris on LBI was unable to post this attachment. I'm not sure what went >> wrong but the link to his attachment is: >> >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20221029/9ff4fc00/at >> tachment.pdf >> >> >> Clicking on the link seems to work fine. >> >> >> Mike >> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris >> on LBI >> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 1:10 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to >> Post >> >> >> > From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 23:03:29 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 03:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car and thanks In-Reply-To: References: <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1290231019.1493720.1684932274431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <892889545.1833043.1684983809948@mail.yahoo.com> Attached is a picture of my outhaul car. Not sure if it's original to the boat (1986). You can see why I'm looking for a replacement. Peter On Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 09:48:33 AM EDT, Mary Lou Troy wrote: Hi Peter, You probably ought to send a photo. There have been more changes to this part over the years than practically any other part. Actually, I'd encourage everyone to reply to this thread with a picture of their outhaul cars. If they included the age of the boat and if they replaced what they had with something different and why, we could build quite an archive around this thread. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 5/24/2023 8:44 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Hi All, >? ? ? I? took my 1st sail on Sunday and a more perfect afternoon for a shakedown is hard to imagine.? Sunny with steady (for lake Arthur) breezes around 10-12 knts. >? ? ? Thanks to all of you who've answered my posts and helped me get underway this season,? your input has been invaluable. >? ? ? 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Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On May 23, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Robert Cohen wrote:>> >> Onekama, MI.> From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu May 25 09:19:32 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 09:19:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <646f6067.170a0220.cf6a.2505@mx.google.com> About 4 feet is good. Sometimes you may be further back in the cockpit. I don't think there's a spec.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Chris on LBI Date: 5/24/23 9:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post As promised in my summary of the centerboard pendant replacement back in October 2022, the length of line that I used to replace the pendant was about 13 feet total. This includes about 7 feet of travel, and another 4 feet that is always above the cleat. The last 2 feet are always out of sight.I am pleased (and relieved) to report that after a couple of days in the water, the bilge is completely dry. That is, no leaks as a result disassembling and reassembling the centerboard trunk. I used the same (original?) gasket on the cap of the trunk.I'm curious: how much of the pendant is always above the cleat on a factory Rhodes? That is, with the centerboard fully down, what is the approximate length of the pendant from the cleat to the handle on the end? I thought 4' was appropriate, but I should have asked the List before putting knife to rope.Chris on LBIOn 10/31/2022 11:43 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:> Chris on LBI was unable to post this attachment. I'm not sure what went> wrong but the link to his attachment is:>>?? >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20221029/9ff4fc00/at> tachment.pdf>>?? >> Clicking on the link seems to work fine.>>?? >> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)>> Nissequogue River, NY>>?? >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris> on LBI> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 1:10 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to> Post>>?? >>?? > From sea20 at verizon.net Thu May 25 12:04:41 2023 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 12:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car References: <3F35AB42-49EB-4414-A52D-E665C4A64EF4.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3F35AB42-49EB-4414-A52D-E665C4A64EF4@verizon.net> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 08:25:39 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 12:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> Scott, That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. Cheers, Peter [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_6708.PNG Type: image/png Size: 4138631 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. Scott Andrews Sent from my iPhone Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 08:34:30 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 12:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What is this bracket for? References: <2038851533.2302995.1685104470571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2038851533.2302995.1685104470571@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All. There is a pair of metal brackets on the bow of my boat by the forestay chainplate that is a bit of a mystery to me. It looks original, but maybe not. Anyone know wat it's intended purpose is? Thanks, Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There should also be a couple of straps on the bow rail. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *Needham, MA* On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:34?AM Peter via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Hi All. > There is a pair of metal brackets on the bow of my boat by the forestay > chainplate that is a bit of a mystery to me. It looks original, but maybe > not. > Anyone know wat it's intended purpose is? > > Thanks, > Peter > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20230524_175445.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1721994 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230526/e0b28c00/attachment.jpg > > > From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 10:38:52 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 14:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What is this bracket for? In-Reply-To: References: <2038851533.2302995.1685104470571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2038851533.2302995.1685104470571@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1050883177.2362564.1685111932168@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, That makes sense. I have the pulpit straps in a bag under the sink. I guess I'll mount them. Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 10:31:14 AM EDT, Stephen Staum wrote: That is to hold your danforth anchor at the bow.? There should also be a couple of straps on the bow rail. Thanks and Stay Well, Stephen Staum s/v PinaforeNeedham, MA On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:34?AM Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: Hi All.? ? ?There is a pair of metal brackets on the bow of my boat by the forestay chainplate that is a bit of a mystery to me. It looks original, but maybe not. Anyone know wat it's intended purpose is? Thanks, ? ?Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, > Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:09:40 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 17:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) Scott Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Scott, >? That looks great, what material is it made of?? Have you used it much and how has it held up?? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet.? My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it.? My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, >? Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list From rweiss at siu.edu Fri May 26 13:50:41 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 17:50:41 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you are waiting for General Boats to get back to you, I highly recommend you email Charles Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts. I got my outhaul car last year from him quickly. charles.gabriel at gmail.com Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) Scott Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Scott, > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, > Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list From bgarrant at gmail.com Fri May 26 14:45:17 2023 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 14:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I got the same one from Charles Gabriel. Works great. I think that Charles may be making them himself. Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie Kent Island, MD On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:25 AM Peter via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Scott, > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much > and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found > anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material > that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My > neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, > Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230525/48d00f84/attachment.png > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure > what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > -- null From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri May 26 15:07:16 2023 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401d99005$4ba17910$e2e46b30$@ebsmed.com> Bob, What was the cost for the new outhaul car? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bob Garrant Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 2:45 PM To: Gabriel Charles ; The Rhodes 22 Email List ; recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car I got the same one from Charles Gabriel. Works great. I think that Charles may be making them himself. Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie Kent Island, MD On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:25 AM Peter via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Scott, > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it > much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't > found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a > suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable > forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, > Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230525/48d00 > f84/attachment.png > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure > what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information > about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > -- null From bgarrant at gmail.com Fri May 26 15:18:03 2023 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 15:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: <003401d99005$4ba17910$e2e46b30$@ebsmed.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <003401d99005$4ba17910$e2e46b30$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: $150 + $15 shipping to Maryland. July 2020 I looked it up and I did get it through GB. Charles is GB?s parts person. Bob On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:07 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Bob, > > What was the cost for the new outhaul car? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bob > Garrant > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 2:45 PM > To: Gabriel Charles ; The Rhodes 22 Email List > ; recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > > I got the same one from Charles Gabriel. Works great. > I think that Charles may be making them himself. > Bob Garrant > s/v Sail la Vie > Kent Island, MD > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:25 AM Peter via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > Scott, > > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it > > much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't > > found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a > > suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable > > forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may > try using. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > > Type: image/png > > Size: 4138631 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230525/48d00 > > f84/attachment.png > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure > > what year Stan installed it. > > Scott Andrews > > Sent from my iPhone > > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information > > about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > > > -- > null > > -- null From rweiss at siu.edu Fri May 26 15:26:40 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 19:26:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: <003401d99005$4ba17910$e2e46b30$@ebsmed.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <003401d99005$4ba17910$e2e46b30$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I don't remember exactly, but somewhere around $250. I'm sure you can make one for less, but I don't have those skills. The new one is much stronger looking than the old one. Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 2:07 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. Bob, What was the cost for the new outhaul car? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bob Garrant Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 2:45 PM To: Gabriel Charles ; The Rhodes 22 Email List ; recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car I got the same one from Charles Gabriel. Works great. I think that Charles may be making them himself. Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie Kent Island, MD On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:25 AM Peter via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Scott, > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it > much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't > found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a > suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable > forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, > Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230525%2F48d00&data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cb4a261fe85634a12733b08db5e1c72f9%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C638207248507273248%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LpculuYv9eN8%2Fgl5dLR3e6TBGZS5lXqtV2YbWekbmI0%3D&reserved=0 > f84/attachment.png > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure > what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car Messages > sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information > about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > -- null From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 15:27:50 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 19:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> I emailed Charles 2 days ago and haven't heard back... I emailed him maybe 6 weeks ago about some shrouds and still haven't heard anything. I'd prefer to get through General Boats, but they don't seem inclined to meet me in the middle. Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 01:50:44 PM EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote: #yiv9500435909 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If you are waiting for General Boats to get back to you, I highly?recommend you email Charles Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts.? I got my outhaul car last year from him quickly.? charles.gabriel at gmail.com Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL?Professor Emeritus, SIUCFrom: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car?[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! Peter???? On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: ?Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) Scott Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Scott, >? That looks great, what material is it made of?? Have you used it much and how has it held up?? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet.? My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it.? My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, >? Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list From ric at stottarchitecture.com Fri May 26 15:46:06 2023 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 15:46:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car AND GB In-Reply-To: <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0401CF6D-5B6E-4B61-9396-C2C67514726D@stottarchitecture.com> I?ve been in touch with both Stan and Charles recently. In fact Stan emailed me today (a poignant and touching email) sighing that things are not what they used to be. I'm looking for the Boom connector and Pop-top connector for the IMF mast and had email them both. Anyone? Stan is cordial and witty but needs help as his 97 year old body decelerates faster than his brain. He invited me to visit and rummage through his parts boxes but could not come up with the two things I need. His email to me was not personal per se, so I will copy/paste it below in hopes he is not offended by that. Stan - I have so much respect for you. I wish you had backup and a plan to transition your wonderful GB plant. You?re great engineer, designer, mechanic and sailor & inventor. Ric Dadventure HBNY Can you get to plant? Any time is OK; weekday or weekend. Lots of used stuff here to look through. Yeah, I am still here but no one else is. All deceased or ailing or retired or deported. Demand for Rhodes at historic highs and have to turn them all away. No success with partnering. Lots of drooling Rhodies but none with wives like my late Rose . I need to find a divorced candidate before he remarries. At 97 my body is just not as productive as it was at 91. However the brain can't stop innovating; new features for the boat, new divisions to expand the business. I feel sorry for those who make the pilgrimage; look, listen and grasp what is here, leave with a glow that says 'I can't wait to get started' only to have to send me a tear stained email that every member of his family threatens to divorce him rather than change schools, give up friends and neighbors as well as what they have come to call their home. If you do decide to come and your wife will be joining you to keep you company I can entertain her with Rose stories while you rummage. Ladies seem to love to hear our unconventional love story between such an odd couple: Rose a hill billy RN from Roanoke VA. Me, a kid from the fishing section of Brooklyn's Sheepshead Bay, just back from serving my country in WW11 and no idea what I was going to do with my life. I have been attempting to get back to you for weeks between endless interruptions with only me to field so I am going hit send and leave the Rose and stan stories for another time; most off beat as to be interesting, others, like our show business career, quite funny. Are you aged to remember Johnny Ray? stan Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On May 26, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > I emailed Charles 2 days ago and haven't heard back... I emailed him maybe 6 weeks ago about some shrouds and still haven't heard anything. I'd prefer to get through General Boats, but they don't seem inclined to meet me in the middle. > > Peter > On Friday, May 26, 2023, 01:50:44 PM EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote: > > #yiv9500435909 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If you are waiting for General Boats to get back to you, I highly recommend you email Charles Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts. I got my outhaul car last year from him quickly. > charles.gabriel at gmail.com > > > Bob > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUCFrom: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! > > Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: > > Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) > Scott > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> ?Scott, >> That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. >> >> Cheers, >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >> Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net >> Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 >> Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post >> Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_6708.PNG >> Type: image/png >> Size: 4138631 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. >> Scott Andrews >> Sent from my iPhone >> Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post >> Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > > > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Fri May 26 15:54:19 2023 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 15:54:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car AND GB In-Reply-To: <0401CF6D-5B6E-4B61-9396-C2C67514726D@stottarchitecture.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> <0401CF6D-5B6E-4B61-9396-C2C67514726D@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <42311DFA-D98B-4648-B6AF-1370984D48E9@gmail.com> Ric, Thanks so much for sharing that message from Stan. I treasure each one I have received, and I totally share your respect and admiration for him. Someone should collect his witticisms! He is such an entertaining writer, never failing to inject humor as well as hope for the future of General Boats. His Rhodes 22 manual itself is a work of art, worthy of submission to the Pulitzer committee. Frank Frank Goldsmith S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001) Fairview, NC Lake Keowee, SC > On May 26, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Ric Stott wrote: > > I?ve been in touch with both Stan and Charles recently. > In fact Stan emailed me today (a poignant and touching email) sighing that things are not what they used to be. > I'm looking for the Boom connector and Pop-top connector for the IMF mast and had email them both. > Anyone? > Stan is cordial and witty but needs help as his 97 year old body decelerates faster than his brain. > He invited me to visit and rummage through his parts boxes but could not come up with the two things I need. > His email to me was not personal per se, so I will copy/paste it below in hopes he is not offended by that. > Stan - I have so much respect for you. > I wish you had backup and a plan to transition your wonderful GB plant. > You?re great engineer, designer, mechanic and sailor & inventor. > Ric > Dadventure > HBNY > > Can you get to plant? Any time is OK; weekday or weekend. Lots of used stuff here to look through. > > Yeah, I am still here but no one else is. All deceased or ailing or retired or deported. Demand for Rhodes at historic highs and have to turn them all away. No success with partnering. Lots of drooling Rhodies but none with wives like my late Rose . I need to find a divorced candidate before he remarries. At 97 my body is just not as productive as it was at 91. However the brain can't stop innovating; new features for the boat, new divisions to expand the business. I feel sorry for those who make the pilgrimage; look, listen and grasp what is here, leave with a glow that says 'I can't wait to get started' only to have to send me a tear stained email that every member of his family threatens to divorce him rather than change schools, give up friends and neighbors as well as what they have come to call their home. > > If you do decide to come and your wife will be joining you to keep you company I can entertain her with Rose stories while you rummage. Ladies seem to love to hear our unconventional love story between such an odd couple: Rose a hill billy RN from Roanoke VA. Me, a kid from the fishing section of Brooklyn's Sheepshead Bay, just back from serving my country in WW11 and no idea what I was going to do with my life. > > I have been attempting to get back to you for weeks between endless interruptions with only me to field so I am going hit send and leave the Rose and stan stories for another time; most off beat as to be interesting, others, like our show business career, quite funny. Are you aged to remember Johnny Ray? > > stan > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > >> On May 26, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> I emailed Charles 2 days ago and haven't heard back... I emailed him maybe 6 weeks ago about some shrouds and still haven't heard anything. I'd prefer to get through General Boats, but they don't seem inclined to meet me in the middle. >> >> Peter >> On Friday, May 26, 2023, 01:50:44 PM EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >> >> #yiv9500435909 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If you are waiting for General Boats to get back to you, I highly recommend you email Charles Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts. I got my outhaul car last year from him quickly. >> charles.gabriel at gmail.com >> >> >> Bob >> Robert L Weiss Jr. >> Director of Music >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUCFrom: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. >> >> That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! >> >> Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: >> >> Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) >> Scott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: >>> >>> ?Scott, >>> That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >>> Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net >>> Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 >>> Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post >>> Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >>> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_6708.PNG >>> Type: image/png >>> Size: 4138631 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. >>> Scott Andrews >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post >>> Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car >>> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list >> >> >> > From charles.gabriel at gmail.com Fri May 26 16:56:06 2023 From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 16:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter, Sorry, but I have never received any direct emails from you... Could you please try again? Regards, Charles Gabriel charles.gabriel at gmail.com Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:27?PM Peter via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I emailed Charles 2 days ago and haven't heard back... I emailed him > maybe 6 weeks ago about some shrouds and still haven't heard anything. I'd > prefer to get through General Boats, but they don't seem inclined to meet > me in the middle. > > Peter > On Friday, May 26, 2023, 01:50:44 PM EDT, Weiss, Robert L < > rweiss at siu.edu> wrote: > > #yiv9500435909 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If you are waiting for > General Boats to get back to you, I highly recommend you email Charles > Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts. I got my outhaul > car last year from him quickly. > charles.gabriel at gmail.com > > > Bob > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUCFrom: > Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via > Rhodes22-list > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews < > sea20 at verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify > sender before opening links or attachments. > > That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless > General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! > > Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews < > sea20 at verizon.net> wrote: > > Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a > template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third > season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress > tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) > Scott > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > ?Scott, > > That looks great, what material is it made of? Have you used it much > and how has it held up? I'm considering making one as I haven't found > anything available yet. My biggest concern is finding a suitable material > that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it. My > neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post > > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > > Type: image/png > > Size: 4138631 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20230525%2F48d00f84%2Fattachment.png&data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7C8aa09d18bd7f4c347e7c08db5e0c02dc%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C638207177909951209%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NOhVZXTISYwMWZzrNlxUa%2B97inh8%2F%2B4WyTRNXWn8T6o%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure > what year Stan installed it. > > Scott Andrews > > Sent from my iPhone > > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another > Attempt to Post > > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list > > > > -- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 17:41:31 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 21:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car In-Reply-To: References: <2099457874.2313719.1685103939918@mail.yahoo.com> <1659678601.2416046.1685120980376@mail.yahoo.com> <2054370030.2457727.1685129270991@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1489952883.2496828.1685137291093@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Charles, I just sent an email directly to you. Hopefully you'll receive it. Peter On Friday, May 26, 2023, 04:56:19 PM EDT, Charles Gabriel wrote: Peter,Sorry, but I have never received any direct emails from you...Could you please try again?Regards,Charles Gabrielcharles.gabriel at gmail.com | | Virus-free.www.avg.com | On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:27?PM Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: ?I emailed Charles 2 days ago and haven't heard back... I emailed him maybe 6 weeks ago about some shrouds and still haven't heard anything. I'd prefer to get through General Boats, but they don't seem inclined to meet me in the middle. Peter ? ? ?On Friday, May 26, 2023, 01:50:44 PM EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:? ?#yiv9500435909 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If you are waiting for General Boats to get back to you, I highly?recommend you email Charles Gabriel directly, as he had been helping Stan with parts.? I got my outhaul car last year from him quickly.? charles.gabriel at gmail.com Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL?Professor Emeritus, SIUCFrom: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; Scott Andrews Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car?[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. That's good to hear, I guess I'll be making myself an outhaul car(unless General Boats gets back to me). Have a great weekend! Peter???? On Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:28:53 AM EDT, Scott Andrews wrote: ?Peter, I used 3/4? starboard. I had the broken pieces to use as a template. I think the old one was starboard as well. This will be the third season with the new one, so far it?s been fine. It?s had some good stress tests including an accidental jibe or two. (I?m sad to admit) Scott Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Peter via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Scott, >? That looks great, what material is it made of?? Have you used it much and how has it held up?? I'm considering making one as I haven't found anything available yet.? My biggest concern is finding a suitable material that will be able to withstand the considerable forces placed on it.? My neighbor gave me a piece of Ardex that I may try using. > > Cheers, >? Peter > > > > > > > > > [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Scott Andrews sea20 at verizon.net > Thu May 25 12:04:41 EDT 2023 > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6708.PNG > Type: image/png > Size: 4138631 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > One I made to replace my storm damaged car of similar design. Not sure what year Stan installed it. > Scott Andrews > Sent from my iPhone > Previous message: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Pendant Update - Another Attempt to Post > Next message: [Rhodes22-list] Outhaul car > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list -- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 22:38:40 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 02:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 28 08:27:42 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 12:27:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter, When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama. Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter From rweiss at siu.edu Sun May 28 08:36:09 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 12:36:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mine goes on easier in warm weather. Kind of tight in cold weather when the material doesn't stretch as easily. I also have a couple spots where I added a little short strap with snaps that were made to reach a place that didn't quite fit -- around a stay by the topping lift line is one of those. Otherwise, my cover works fine. Bob Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 7:27 AM To: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. Peter, When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama. Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail> for Windows From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter From urchinn at aol.com Sun May 28 09:19:45 2023 From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 13:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1015255273.1924368.1685279985432@mail.yahoo.com> I have put a few new convertible tops (the cloth) on cars, and it is always easier if it is warm inside the car.? I have even put space heaters in the car to warm up things.? I don't know if this would help you, but a warm, sunny day can really expand almost anything... On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 08:27:46 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean?? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or?? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama.? Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks ? ? Peter From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sun May 28 09:27:22 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 13:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2119582673.2776229.1685280442307@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Roger, The snaps seem to line up ok, it's just that when I attach one side I find the other is a couple of inches shy of reaching. I may just be a little timid about stretching the fabric, or perhaps it's too stiff. Does it matter where the slider sits on the pop-top? I'm assuming that there's no way my pop-top could be up too high as the legs are in the detents as is the mast slider. I was wondering if there was a trick such as attaching the bow and stern snaps before the side snaps that make it easier to get it on. By the way, I've been meaning to thank you for posting all of your guides for the boat. I used your " how to fold the pop top enclosure " guide yesterday (there's a copy in the boat) and your rig tuning guide was extremely helpful (also on the boat). Undoubtedly I'll be referring to more of your posts as I get further into Rhodes ownership. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 08:27:44 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, ? When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean?? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or?? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama.? Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue ? Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks ??? Peter ? From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 28 12:16:35 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 16:16:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <2119582673.2776229.1685280442307@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> <2119582673.2776229.1685280442307@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter, Keep in mind that I have an older pop top that may not be exactly like yours: Start with the pop top up and the companionway sliding hatch closed The pop top enclosure front zipper should be open and ?unhitched? and the companionway zippers should be open The pop top enclosure should drop over the pop top Zip up the front zipper and fasten the snaps on the front of the enclosure Make certain the pop top enclosure is hanging evenly on both sides and pull aft on the top of the nclosure to make certain all the slack is out of the top of the enclosure Working from front to back, fasten the snaps on the sides of the enclosure Fasten the snaps at the rear of the enclosure Finally, close the zippers on the companionway hatch. When the fabric is cold, it tends to be pretty stiff. But, you can pull fairly hard on it without ripping. Try putting it on when it?s a hot day and it will stretch more easily. Once the fabric has stretched, it will be easier to install. Try using a blow dryer to warm the fabric to get it to stretch initially. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equiibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 6:27 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; ROGER PIHLAJA Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Hi Roger, The snaps seem to line up ok, it's just that when I attach one side I find the other is a couple of inches shy of reaching. I may just be a little timid about stretching the fabric, or perhaps it's too stiff. Does it matter where the slider sits on the pop-top? I'm assuming that there's no way my pop-top could be up too high as the legs are in the detents as is the mast slider. I was wondering if there was a trick such as attaching the bow and stern snaps before the side snaps that make it easier to get it on. By the way, I've been meaning to thank you for posting all of your guides for the boat. I used your " how to fold the pop top enclosure " guide yesterday (there's a copy in the boat) and your rig tuning guide was extremely helpful (also on the boat). Undoubtedly I'll be referring to more of your posts as I get further into Rhodes ownership. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 08:27:44 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama. Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun May 28 13:30:13 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 17:30:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter, First, the Poptop enclosure does not go above the boom like the Boom Room does. Ensure that the snaps on the enclosure properly align with those on the cabin trunk. I begin by snapping the forward edges to the cabin trunk and wrapping the mast. Follow that with snapping the sides then the cockpit snaps and companionway. It's pretty simple. If you have the boom room, begin by placing the bows across the boom and get a couple of snaps on either side snapped to balance the "bundle". Then line up the velcro hook tape from the forward edge of the boom room to the corresponding velcro on the enclosure. Here some pics from my former R22, "Respite" as well as a great PTE folding plan that someone had posted on The List. Hope this helps. Joe Dempsey Trojan 42 M/V Voyager Ex-Rhodes 22 S/V Respite Deltaville, VA ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 10:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pop Top Enclosure.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 255094 bytes Desc: Pop Top Enclosure.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BR Boom Room Starboard View.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5056027 bytes Desc: BR Boom Room Starboard View.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Folding PopTop Encl.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 527703 bytes Desc: Folding PopTop Encl.jpg URL: From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sun May 28 14:48:45 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> <2119582673.2776229.1685280442307@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865211676.2834874.1685299725626@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Roger, I'll try this method and post how it goes. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 12:16:38 PM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, ? Keep in mind that I have an older pop top that may not be exactly like yours: ? Start with the pop top up and the companionway sliding hatch closed ? The pop top enclosure front zipper should be open and ?unhitched? and the companionway zippers should be open ? The pop top enclosure should drop over the pop top ? Zip up the front zipper and fasten the snaps on the front of the enclosure ? Make certain the pop top enclosure is hanging evenly on both sides and pull aft on the top of the nclosure to make certain all the slack is out of the top of the enclosure ? Working from front to back, fasten the snaps on the sides of the enclosure ? Fasten the snaps at the rear of the enclosure ? Finally, close the zippers on the companionway hatch. ? When the fabric is cold, it tends to be pretty stiff.? But, you can pull fairly hard on it without ripping.? Try putting it on when it?s a hot day and it will stretch more easily.? Once the fabric has stretched, it will be easier to install.? Try using a blow dryer to warm the fabric to get it to stretch initially. ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equiibrium ? ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 6:27 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List;ROGER PIHLAJA Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue ? Hi Roger, The snaps seem to line up ok, it's just that when I attach one side I find the other is a couple of inches shy of reaching. I may just be a little timid about stretching the fabric, or perhaps it's too stiff. Does it matter where the slider sits on the pop-top? I'm assuming that there's no way my pop-top could be up too high as the legs are in the detents as is the mast slider. I was wondering if there was a trick such as attaching the bow and stern snaps before the side snaps that make it easier to get it on. By the way, I've been meaning to thank you for posting all of your guides for the boat. I used your " how to fold the pop top enclosure " guide yesterday (there's a copy in the boat) and your rig tuning guide was extremely helpful (also on the boat). Undoubtedly I'll be referring to more of your posts as I get further into Rhodes ownership. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 08:27:44 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: ? ? Peter, ? When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean?? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or?? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama.? Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. ? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ? Sent fromMail for Windows ? From:Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue ? Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks ??? Peter ? ? From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sun May 28 17:38:45 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 21:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <615708404.2843205.1685309925735@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Joe, Thanks for the response. I don't have the boom room and didn't run the pop top enclosure over the boom. I think I was just a little gun shy about pulling on the fabric. I'll experiment with different sequences for snapping it on until I find one that fits me (pun intended). Thanks for the folding instructions. Roger originally posted those and I used them after I decided to "ask the list before I do something I regret". Cheers, Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 01:30:24 PM EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote: #yiv4738350558 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Peter,First, the Poptop enclosure does not go above the boom like the Boom Room does. Ensure that the snaps on the enclosure properly align with those on the cabin trunk. I begin by snapping the forward edges to the cabin trunk and wrapping the mast. Follow that with snapping the sides then the cockpit snaps and companionway. It's pretty simple. If you have the boom room, begin by placing the bows across the boom and get a couple of snaps on either side snapped to balance the "bundle". Then line up the velcro hook tape from the forward edge of the boom room to the corresponding velcro? on the enclosure.? Here some pics from my former R22, "Respite" as well as a great PTE folding plan that someone had posted on The List.? Hope this helps. Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V VoyagerEx-Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 10:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue?Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks ??? Peter From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun May 28 20:19:56 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 20:19:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <615708404.2843205.1685309925735@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6473efb4.650a0220.64a2a.985e@mx.google.com> Peter,?Glad to help. I saw Roger's post and remembered the folding pics were his. He is a wealth of knowledge. The enclosure and boom room are technically aftermarket accessories and as such the snaps are installed individually, so alignment is not assured. In my case, a few snaps had to be added/relocated on the cabin and companionway. The sleeve that wraps Round the mast did not fit well which led me to believe that it was originally made for a non IMF mast. Don't hesitate to call on The List for help. That's what it's for!Best regards,Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Date: 5/28/23 5:38 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Joe Dempsey Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Hi Joe, Thanks for the response. I don't have the boom room and didn't run the pop top enclosure over the boom. I think I was just a little gun shy about pulling on the fabric. I'll experiment with different sequences for snapping it on until I find one that fits me (pun intended). Thanks for the folding instructions. Roger originally posted those and I used them after I decided to "ask the list before I do something I regret".Cheers,Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 01:30:24 PM EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote: #yiv4738350558 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Peter,First, the Poptop enclosure does not go above the boom like the Boom Room does. Ensure that the snaps on the enclosure properly align with those on the cabin trunk. I begin by snapping the forward edges to the cabin trunk and wrapping the mast. Follow that with snapping the sides then the cockpit snaps and companionway. It's pretty simple. If you have the boom room, begin by placing the bows across the boom and get a couple of snaps on either side snapped to balance the "bundle". Then line up the velcro hook tape from the forward edge of the boom room to the corresponding velcro? on the enclosure.? Here some pics from my former R22, "Respite" as well as a great PTE folding plan that someone had posted on The List.? Hope this helps.Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/V VoyagerEx-Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VAFrom: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 10:38 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue?Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it.Thanks??? Peter From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun May 28 21:47:34 2023 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 18:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Message-ID: Peter, During the time my 1988 boat was being recycled by General Boats, I indicated to Stan that I wanted a pop-top-enclosure. Stan said he didn't have one, so I asked the list, and found someone willing to sell one that he wasn't using. Stan then asked me to send the new-to-me PTE to him in Edenton, so that he could have snaps installed on the boat that would line up. My point being that these things are not universal, and that it's entirely possible that your PTE doesn't really fit the snap points installed on your boat. I wouldn't assume that just by pulling harder, that you can make it work. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun May 28 22:57:00 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 02:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <865211676.2834874.1685299725626@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> <2119582673.2776229.1685280442307@mail.yahoo.com> <865211676.2834874.1685299725626@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter, Some of the other posts have reminded me about the differences between the early design pop top enclosure and the later design. The attached photos show my old style enclosure and the new style: [cid:image003.jpg at 01D991B8.32BB0E70] Early Style Pop Top Enclosure Which Zips Behind The Mast [cid:image005.jpg at 01D991B8.32BB0E70] New Style Pop Top Enclosure Which Zips In Front Of The Mast & Covers All Of The Cabin Roof Note that the new style pop top enclosure covers essentially all of the cabin roof, thus providing more dry ?shelf? or ?counter? space vs. my older style pop top enclosure. I?ve never used the new style pop top enclosure. But, it looks like a real upgrade vs my older enclosure style. Anyway, the front of my older style enclosure does not wrap the mast. Instead there is a zipper with a velcro storm flap just aft of the mast and a 6? X 6? storm hood that covers the pop top slider and ties around it with a draw cord. Other than these differences, the two styles of pop top enclosures look like they would be erected in the same manner. The first picture also shows my custom designed Bimini Boom Room. The third picture shows the boat with the Bimini top up but without the Boom Room: [cid:image009.jpg at 01D991B8.32BB0E70] Pihlaja Family On Board S/V Dynamic Equilibrium At Our Sanford Lake Home With Bimini Top Deployed If you look closely at the leading and trailing edges of the Bimini Top, you will see canvas extensions all rolled up and stowed. These extensions are sewn into the Bimini Top and stow with built-in straps and snaps. My version of a Boom Room was designed to work in conjunction with the Pop Top Enclosure. The first photo shows the front extension deployed over the Pop Top Enclosure. There are panels that zip in to enclose the cockpit space. There is standing headroom under the Boom Room. There are zip up doors port and starboard amidships as well as another zip up door allowing access from the boarding ladder. The fourth photo shows an aft View of the Boom Room with all the side panels deployed: [cid:image012.jpg at 01D991B8.32BB0E70] Aft View Of The Bimini Boom Room The design is very versatile. The 5th photo is a picture with just the pop top raised and the front and rear extensions of the roof of the Boom Room deployed in a full shade/maximum ventilation configuration on a hot summer day [cid:image015.jpg at 01D991B8.32BB0E70] S/V Dynamic Equilibrium @ Kelly?s Island, Lake Erie This was, by far, the most difficult sewing project I?ve ever attempted! It took me nearly 10 months to complete. I can only imagine what it might cost to duplicate today. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 11:48 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; ROGER PIHLAJA Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Thanks Roger, I'll try this method and post how it goes. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 12:16:38 PM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, Keep in mind that I have an older pop top that may not be exactly like yours: Start with the pop top up and the companionway sliding hatch closed The pop top enclosure front zipper should be open and ?unhitched? and the companionway zippers should be open The pop top enclosure should drop over the pop top Zip up the front zipper and fasten the snaps on the front of the enclosure Make certain the pop top enclosure is hanging evenly on both sides and pull aft on the top of the nclosure to make certain all the slack is out of the top of the enclosure Working from front to back, fasten the snaps on the sides of the enclosure Fasten the snaps at the rear of the enclosure Finally, close the zippers on the companionway hatch. When the fabric is cold, it tends to be pretty stiff. But, you can pull fairly hard on it without ripping. Try putting it on when it?s a hot day and it will stretch more easily. Once the fabric has stretched, it will be easier to install. Try using a blow dryer to warm the fabric to get it to stretch initially. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equiibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 6:27 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List;ROGER PIHLAJA Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Hi Roger, The snaps seem to line up ok, it's just that when I attach one side I find the other is a couple of inches shy of reaching. I may just be a little timid about stretching the fabric, or perhaps it's too stiff. Does it matter where the slider sits on the pop-top? I'm assuming that there's no way my pop-top could be up too high as the legs are in the detents as is the mast slider. I was wondering if there was a trick such as attaching the bow and stern snaps before the side snaps that make it easier to get it on. By the way, I've been meaning to thank you for posting all of your guides for the boat. I used your " how to fold the pop top enclosure " guide yesterday (there's a copy in the boat) and your rig tuning guide was extremely helpful (also on the boat). Undoubtedly I'll be referring to more of your posts as I get further into Rhodes ownership. Peter On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 08:27:44 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Peter, When you say, ?Mine doesn?t go on easily?, what do you mean? Does the enclosure not fit well over the pop top, or do the female snaps on the enclosure not line up with their corresponding male snaps on the cabin roof, or is the enclosure so stiff that it?s difficult to use, or? My (well used) pop top enclosure goes on or off in a couple of minutes without any particular drama. Many years ago, I published a series of photos to the Rhodes 22 website that illustrates a good way to fold the enclosure. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent fromMail for Windows From:Peter via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:38 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force it. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 51EE66EB8A67452E88584950011CBF73.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 133365 bytes Desc: 51EE66EB8A67452E88584950011CBF73.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 13ECD392E29D4A54A2120B6C78B240A0.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 112555 bytes Desc: 13ECD392E29D4A54A2120B6C78B240A0.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you start at the front of the boat and work your back snapping side to side to stretch the cover evenly until your better than half way back, you can then release the back supports, one at a time and snap one side all the way back then re- latch the support and repeat on the other side. good luck, Jerry Lowe > Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the > pop top enclosure? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force > it. > > Thanks > Peter > From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com Mon May 29 22:39:16 2023 From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 02:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosue In-Reply-To: <52172.24.140.30.102.1685336815.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073709606.2727128.1685241520786@mail.yahoo.com> <52172.24.140.30.102.1685336815.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <56131224.3163498.1685414356127@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jerry, That sounds promising. When I get a chance I'm going to revisit installing the pop top enclosure and I'll post how it goes. Cheers, Peter On Monday, May 29, 2023, 01:12:21 AM EDT, wrote: One thing I didn't see listed. If you start at the front of the boat and work your back snapping side to side to stretch the cover evenly until your better than half way back, you can then release the back supports, one at a time and snap one side all the way back then re- latch the support and repeat on the other side. ? good luck, Jerry Lowe > Does anyone have any tricks or advise regarding the installation of the > pop top enclosure?? Mine doesn't go on easily and I don't want to force > it. > > Thanks >? ? Peter > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue May 30 18:26:57 2023 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 15:26:57 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm Message-ID: Hi All: I couldn't sail at all last year due to septicemia, and so this year I was anxious to get back in the water and finally did so last week. As some of you know I spent the last several years or so chasing how to correct lee helm, including an ill-fated attempt to rake the mast.(blush) I tried the method suggested in a set of emails over the past year- lifting and locking the kick up rudder so it is slightly aft of the stern, rather than tightly pulled to the stern. It worked! All hail the list. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo From cknell at vt.edu Wed May 31 10:56:35 2023 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 10:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lee helm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shawn, I'm happy to hear of your experience. We are back on the water this season and have been out twice using the adjusted rudder angle where we force a vertical leading edge by cleating the up-haul line. Our experience is the same as yours ... no more lee helm. Both of the outings were dominated by long reaches so I could not re-check pointing ability. The next test will be to substantiate the results from late last season where we seemed to be sailing about 5 degrees higher with the vertical rudder. For those who did not follow the discussion last season, I questioned why the leading edge of my rudder swept forward (about 18 degrees) when I secured the down-haul. Apparently, on most Rhodes, this is not the case; instead there is a hard stop keeping the leading edge vertical when the down-haul is pulled tight. I've attached a photo of my rudder in the position it takes if not restricted by the up-haul. The hypothesis is that this forward angle causes lee helm and limiting pointing ability on Rhodes equipped with this vintage rudder/tiller assembly. Chris On 5/30/2023 6:26 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > Hi All: > > I couldn't sail at all last year due to septicemia, and so this year I was > anxious to get back in the water and finally did so last week. > > As some of you know I spent the last several years or so chasing how to > correct lee helm, including an ill-fated attempt to rake the mast.(blush) > > I tried the method suggested in a set of emails over the past year- lifting > and locking the kick up rudder so it is slightly aft of the stern, rather > than tightly pulled to the stern. It worked! > > All hail the list. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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