From davidmberg at me.com  Fri Sep  1 11:15:42 2023
From: davidmberg at me.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 10:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
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Peter,

 

The guy from West System said that you could get it out if you heat up the screw head with a soldering iron, as Graham Stewart also noted.

 

Graham, I wondered why one wouldn?t use wood screws, but I think I saw a rationale in one of the West System guides. I think they tested and machine screws were stronger. That doesn?t exactly make sense to me.

 

I did the West Systems method last night with the 1? machine screws and put some gaffer tape and weighted screw heads with bricks for the belt and suspender approach.


Dave

On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

 

David,

I was halfway through your post when I started thinking that I needed to reply recommending _against_ toothpicks and/or wood shavings.  Having finished the post, I'll just vote in favor of doing what the West Systems guys suggested.  I've never known a project that went far off track by following a manufacturer's recommendations.

That said, I'm curious as to what the expectation is about the possibility of non-destructively removing the mast step at some point in the future.    

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

 

I used wood screws rather than machine screws and inserted them when the epoxy had set but before it cured.  At this stage the epoxy feels firm but you can still mark it with your fingernail. You can also tighten the screw down firmly but don't tighten it so much that you tear out the epoxy. If the wood core is solid and you have the depth, you can use screws that are longer than the hole so that the end grabs into the core material. I would be a bit concerned that without being able to fasten the bolt down and relying only on tape to hold it in place against the hydraulic pressure, the plate might not be held securely.

 

Depending on how hot it is the epoxy usually reaches the solid stage in a few hours. I would not go beyond 24 hours if you can avoid it. If you wait until the epoxy is cured it can be difficult to drill the pilot hole without the bit wandering into the softer core material. However, If you  wait too long and need to drill into cured epoxy use a brad point bit to keep the bit aligned. There is no hydraulic pressure to contend with using this method. I don't think that there is any advantage to using machine screws rather than regular screws in this situation.

 

In any event, the worst that can happen is that you just drill it out and try again so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

Sometimes it can be very difficult to remove a screw once the epoxy has set and it is quite possible to break the screw or strip the head. The solution is to heat the screw with a soldering iron before backing it out.

 

Graham Stewart

Rhodes 76

 


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 11:24:58 2023
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 11:24:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
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I question whether you want it to be stronger.  The screws are to keep the
mast step from sliding around when raising the mast.  The should pull out
fairly easily in the case where the mast drops by accident and applies a
lever force to the mast step so that you minimize any damage to the deck.
Once the mast is up and the shrouds are tightened, the step isn't going
anywhere and the screws really have no function.

Hank

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Peter,
>
>
>
> The guy from West System said that you could get it out if you heat up the
> screw head with a soldering iron, as Graham Stewart also noted.
>
>
>
> Graham, I wondered why one wouldn?t use wood screws, but I think I saw a
> rationale in one of the West System guides. I think they tested and machine
> screws were stronger. That doesn?t exactly make sense to me.
>
>
>
> I did the West Systems method last night with the 1? machine screws and
> put some gaffer tape and weighted screw heads with bricks for the belt and
> suspender approach.
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> David,
>
> I was halfway through your post when I started thinking that I needed to
> reply recommending _against_ toothpicks and/or wood shavings.  Having
> finished the post, I'll just vote in favor of doing what the West Systems
> guys suggested.  I've never known a project that went far off track by
> following a manufacturer's recommendations.
>
> That said, I'm curious as to what the expectation is about the possibility
> of non-destructively removing the mast step at some point in the future.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
>
> I used wood screws rather than machine screws and inserted them when the
> epoxy had set but before it cured.  At this stage the epoxy feels firm but
> you can still mark it with your fingernail. You can also tighten the screw
> down firmly but don't tighten it so much that you tear out the epoxy. If
> the wood core is solid and you have the depth, you can use screws that are
> longer than the hole so that the end grabs into the core material. I would
> be a bit concerned that without being able to fasten the bolt down and
> relying only on tape to hold it in place against the hydraulic pressure,
> the plate might not be held securely.
>
>
>
> Depending on how hot it is the epoxy usually reaches the solid stage in a
> few hours. I would not go beyond 24 hours if you can avoid it. If you wait
> until the epoxy is cured it can be difficult to drill the pilot hole
> without the bit wandering into the softer core material. However, If you
> wait too long and need to drill into cured epoxy use a brad point bit to
> keep the bit aligned. There is no hydraulic pressure to contend with using
> this method. I don't think that there is any advantage to using machine
> screws rather than regular screws in this situation.
>
>
>
> In any event, the worst that can happen is that you just drill it out and
> try again so I wouldn't worry about it.
>
>
>
> Sometimes it can be very difficult to remove a screw once the epoxy has
> set and it is quite possible to break the screw or strip the head. The
> solution is to heat the screw with a soldering iron before backing it out.
>
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Rhodes 76
>
>
>
>

From canusmajor54 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 14:48:33 2023
From: canusmajor54 at gmail.com (Jeff Kantor)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:48:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
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I wonder if coating vaseline on the screw set in thickened epoxy would
yield strength and allow for removal?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Peter,
>
>
>
> The guy from West System said that you could get it out if you heat up the
> screw head with a soldering iron, as Graham Stewart also noted.
>
>
>
> Graham, I wondered why one wouldn?t use wood screws, but I think I saw a
> rationale in one of the West System guides. I think they tested and machine
> screws were stronger. That doesn?t exactly make sense to me.
>
>
>
> I did the West Systems method last night with the 1? machine screws and
> put some gaffer tape and weighted screw heads with bricks for the belt and
> suspender approach.
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> David,
>
> I was halfway through your post when I started thinking that I needed to
> reply recommending _against_ toothpicks and/or wood shavings.  Having
> finished the post, I'll just vote in favor of doing what the West Systems
> guys suggested.  I've never known a project that went far off track by
> following a manufacturer's recommendations.
>
> That said, I'm curious as to what the expectation is about the possibility
> of non-destructively removing the mast step at some point in the future.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
>
> I used wood screws rather than machine screws and inserted them when the
> epoxy had set but before it cured.  At this stage the epoxy feels firm but
> you can still mark it with your fingernail. You can also tighten the screw
> down firmly but don't tighten it so much that you tear out the epoxy. If
> the wood core is solid and you have the depth, you can use screws that are
> longer than the hole so that the end grabs into the core material. I would
> be a bit concerned that without being able to fasten the bolt down and
> relying only on tape to hold it in place against the hydraulic pressure,
> the plate might not be held securely.
>
>
>
> Depending on how hot it is the epoxy usually reaches the solid stage in a
> few hours. I would not go beyond 24 hours if you can avoid it. If you wait
> until the epoxy is cured it can be difficult to drill the pilot hole
> without the bit wandering into the softer core material. However, If you
> wait too long and need to drill into cured epoxy use a brad point bit to
> keep the bit aligned. There is no hydraulic pressure to contend with using
> this method. I don't think that there is any advantage to using machine
> screws rather than regular screws in this situation.
>
>
>
> In any event, the worst that can happen is that you just drill it out and
> try again so I wouldn't worry about it.
>
>
>
> Sometimes it can be very difficult to remove a screw once the epoxy has
> set and it is quite possible to break the screw or strip the head. The
> solution is to heat the screw with a soldering iron before backing it out.
>
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Rhodes 76
>
>
>
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 21:27:58 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 01:27:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step tabernacle attachment/deck repair
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References: <CADQNfMD6_NHiRNEYcD0=EnRgRWDwzUxjw11FXqvrN+BbqS-Kpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1693617589743.2669491739.609189001@gmail.com>


I agree with Hank. The screws have plenty of shear strength and you really don't want too much adhesion to the boat should the mast drop. That happened to me and the damage to the boat and mast foot was minimal. Whether the difference in strength between similar sized bolts and screws is really all that much, however, is something I can't even gesstimate. I suspect that it really doesn't make much difference. Just keep in mind that in this case you want the foot to be able to pull free.
Graham

On Friday, September 1, 2023 11:24:58 AM (-04:00), Hank wrote:

> I question whether you want it to be stronger.  The screws are to keep the
> mast step from sliding around when raising the mast.  The should pull out
> fairly easily in the case where the mast drops by accident and applies a
> lever force to the mast step so that you minimize any damage to the deck.
> Once the mast is up and the shrouds are tightened, the step isn't going
> anywhere and the screws really have no function.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> > Peter,
> >
> >
> >
> > The guy from West System said that you could get it out if you heat up the
> > screw head with a soldering iron, as Graham Stewart also noted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Graham, I wondered why one wouldn?t use wood screws, but I think I saw a
> > rationale in one of the West System guides. I think they tested and machine
> > screws were stronger. That doesn?t exactly make sense to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did the West Systems method last night with the 1? machine screws and
> > put some gaffer tape and weighted screw heads with bricks for the belt and
> > suspender approach.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I was halfway through your post when I started thinking that I needed to
> > reply recommending _against_ toothpicks and/or wood shavings.  Having
> > finished the post, I'll just vote in favor of doing what the West Systems
> > guys suggested.  I've never known a project that went far off track by
> > following a manufacturer's recommendations.
> >
> > That said, I'm curious as to what the expectation is about the possibility
> > of non-destructively removing the mast step at some point in the future.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >
> >
> > I used wood screws rather than machine screws and inserted them when the
> > epoxy had set but before it cured.  At this stage the epoxy feels firm but
> > you can still mark it with your fingernail. You can also tighten the screw
> > down firmly but don't tighten it so much that you tear out the epoxy. If
> > the wood core is solid and you have the depth, you can use screws that are
> > longer than the hole so that the end grabs into the core material. I would
> > be a bit concerned that without being able to fasten the bolt down and
> > relying only on tape to hold it in place against the hydraulic pressure,
> > the plate might not be held securely.
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on how hot it is the epoxy usually reaches the solid stage in a
> > few hours. I would not go beyond 24 hours if you can avoid it. If you wait
> > until the epoxy is cured it can be difficult to drill the pilot hole
> > without the bit wandering into the softer core material. However, If you
> > wait too long and need to drill into cured epoxy use a brad point bit to
> > keep the bit aligned. There is no hydraulic pressure to contend with using
> > this method. I don't think that there is any advantage to using machine
> > screws rather than regular screws in this situation.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any event, the worst that can happen is that you just drill it out and
> > try again so I wouldn't worry about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sometimes it can be very difficult to remove a screw once the epoxy has
> > set and it is quite possible to break the screw or strip the head. The
> > solution is to heat the screw with a soldering iron before backing it out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> > Rhodes 76
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

-- 
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Sep  3 12:59:22 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 12:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale
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If this is who I am guessing it is, I feel terrible. Even if it is none 
of my business, can you tell me why.? Maybe there is something I can 
do.? Even if it is already sold I dearly am entitled to know why.? After 
all it is my baby and I am way too old (97 1/2) to make any more.? Plus 
with no more Ramblin Rose what girl will give in to no man that's livin 
(close to) one hundred years.? Please,

stan

On 5/2/23 9:19 AM, rehabmedicine--- via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I have a 2009-10 Rhodes22 with Triad trailer that I am putting up for sale. The boat is in Hempstead Harbor, New York. The hull was recently painted, and sails are fairly new. Please respond if interested.
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From thyatt at mica.edu  Mon Sep  4 15:12:28 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 15:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2J1FmDwzk-2j0pzhfvZYAX_CZ0wow2XVf8KZrbkX3AcHg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm continuing to work on my 1978 Rhodes 22 and am in the market for a
stern rail. The one currently on the boat is made of fairly thin aluminum
and the parts are  riveted together.It's not very strong and I wouldn't
trust it to hold anyone's weight in bad weather.

If anyone has any ideas where I might pick up a used one or parts that I
can put together to make one that might come close to matching the stern
rails I've seen on newer R22's, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Sep  4 15:55:55 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 12:55:55 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
Message-ID: <E1qdFfv-002JNU-26@s152.servername.online>

I've got a stern rail that I took off my boat when I added my DIY 'arch' for two 100 watt solar panels.  This is a genuine stainless steel General Boats railing, and was pretty sturdy.  Unfortunately, a section got somewhat bent at some point while it was in storage in my back yard.  If you're interested, I could take the time to see how well the bend can be straightened.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-09-04, at 15:12:28 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> I'm continuing to work on my 1978 Rhodes 22 and am in the market for a stern 
> rail. The one currently on the boat is made of fairly thin aluminum and the 
> parts are  riveted together.It's not very strong and I wouldn't trust it to hold 
> anyone's weight in bad weather. 
> 
> If anyone has any ideas where I might pick up a used one or parts that I can put 
> together to make one that might come close to matching the stern rails I've seen 
> on newer R22's, I'd really appreciate it. 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane
> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Mon Sep  4 16:10:30 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 16:10:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
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Peter:

That would be wonderful. If you could send me a picture of the railing and
also take a picture of where the bent section is. If it's on a straight
section and the fittings are connected with Allen screws, perhaps I could
just replace it.

And, by the way, I've been watching your Youtube video now for a few
months. The work you've done and your journeys are very inspiring.

Thanks,

Tom Hyatt

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 3:55?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I've got a stern rail that I took off my boat when I added my DIY 'arch'
> for two 100 watt solar panels.  This is a genuine stainless steel General
> Boats railing, and was pretty sturdy.  Unfortunately, a section got
> somewhat bent at some point while it was in storage in my back yard.  If
> you're interested, I could take the time to see how well the bend can be
> straightened.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-09-04, at 15:12:28 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:
> >
> > I'm continuing to work on my 1978 Rhodes 22 and am in the market for a
> stern
> > rail. The one currently on the boat is made of fairly thin aluminum and
> the
> > parts are  riveted together.It's not very strong and I wouldn't trust it
> to hold
> > anyone's weight in bad weather.
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas where I might pick up a used one or parts that I
> can put
> > together to make one that might come close to matching the stern rails
> I've seen
> > on newer R22's, I'd really appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane
> >
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Sep  4 21:27:59 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 18:27:59 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
Message-ID: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>

Tom,

The railing is mostly one piece of tubing with some bends.  Unfortunately, the kink I added is about in the middle of one of the bends. It's on the left side in the full picture.  

I looked through our 'Picture Gallery' for a photo of this style railing installed on a boat, and this is the best I found: http://www.rhodes22.org/pics/lloyd_large.jpg

When I added my solar 'arch' to the boat, I reused the existing hardware that's used to attach the railing to the boat.  So, I can't make that hardware available to you.  These are not complicated pieces, but they are non-standard, so it's likely you would have to have replacements fabricated.  My boat and trailer are still at the trailer repairs shop in Maine.  The trailer is supposed to be ready to go this week.  When that happens, I'll also take some pictures of the railing mounting hardware.

--Peter 

> On 2023-09-04, at 16:10:30 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> Peter:
> 
> That would be wonderful. If you could send me a picture of the railing and also 
> take a picture of where the bent section is. If it's on a straight section and 
> the fittings are connected with Allen screws, perhaps I could just replace it. 
> 
> And, by the way, I've been watching your Youtube video now for a few months. The 
> work you've done and your journeys are very inspiring. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> 
> 

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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 21:55:57 2023
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 21:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2J1FmDwzk-2j0pzhfvZYAX_CZ0wow2XVf8KZrbkX3AcHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

Where are you located?

Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA


On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 3:12 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I'm continuing to work on my 1978 Rhodes 22 and am in the market for a
> stern rail. The one currently on the boat is made of fairly thin aluminum
> and the parts are  riveted together.It's not very strong and I wouldn't
> trust it to hold anyone's weight in bad weather.
>
> If anyone has any ideas where I might pick up a used one or parts that I
> can put together to make one that might come close to matching the stern
> rails I've seen on newer R22's, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 22:00:36 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 22:00:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
In-Reply-To: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <64f68bcb.050a0220.7251f.ff17@mx.google.com>

If memory serves me, there are at least two different stern rails. A single rail and a two section rail. My opinion is to stay away from a rail that is crimped. It's strength will be severely compromised. Also there are shops that can make a stern rail for you.Joe DempseyEx- Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 9/4/23  9:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail Tom,The railing is mostly one piece of tubing with some bends.? Unfortunately, the kink I added is about in the middle of one of the bends. It's on the left side in the full picture.? I looked through our 'Picture Gallery' for a photo of this style railing installed on a boat, and this is the best I found: http://www.rhodes22.org/pics/lloyd_large.jpgWhen I added my solar 'arch' to the boat, I reused the existing hardware that's used to attach the railing to the boat.? So, I can't make that hardware available to you.? These are not complicated pieces, but they are non-standard, so it's likely you would have to have replacements fabricated.? My boat and trailer are still at the trailer repairs shop in Maine.? The trailer is supposed to be ready to go this week.? When that happens, I'll also take some pictures of the railing mounting hardware.--Peter > On 2023-09-04, at 16:10:30 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:>> Peter:> > That would be wonderful. If you could send me a picture of the railing and also > take a picture of where the bent section is. If it's on a straight section and > the fittings are connected with Allen screws, perhaps I could just replace it. > > And, by the way, I've been watching your Youtube video now for a few months. The > work you've done and your journeys are very inspiring. > > Thanks,> > Tom Hyatt> > -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Stern Railing 1.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 2038951 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230904/9317ce6b/attachment.jpeg>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Stern Railing 2.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 1648708 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230904/9317ce6b/attachment-0001.jpeg>

From thyatt at mica.edu  Mon Sep  4 22:55:09 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 22:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
In-Reply-To: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+SQtwFPC=40BXqqkwTCDtZkB8eoknnOMS5vP185zLQVA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter:

Yes. I can see that the kink would not be easily fixed. Too bad. Thanks for
thinking about me.

Tom

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 9:36?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The railing is mostly one piece of tubing with some bends.  Unfortunately,
> the kink I added is about in the middle of one of the bends. It's on the
> left side in the full picture.
>
> I looked through our 'Picture Gallery' for a photo of this style railing
> installed on a boat, and this is the best I found:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pics/lloyd_large.jpg
>
> When I added my solar 'arch' to the boat, I reused the existing hardware
> that's used to attach the railing to the boat.  So, I can't make that
> hardware available to you.  These are not complicated pieces, but they are
> non-standard, so it's likely you would have to have replacements
> fabricated.  My boat and trailer are still at the trailer repairs shop in
> Maine.  The trailer is supposed to be ready to go this week.  When that
> happens, I'll also take some pictures of the railing mounting hardware.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2023-09-04, at 16:10:30 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> > That would be wonderful. If you could send me a picture of the railing
> and also
> > take a picture of where the bent section is. If it's on a straight
> section and
> > the fittings are connected with Allen screws, perhaps I could just
> replace it.
> >
> > And, by the way, I've been watching your Youtube video now for a few
> months. The
> > work you've done and your journeys are very inspiring.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> >
> >
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 06:44:28 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for used R22 Stern Rail
In-Reply-To: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qdKrH-003RLE-2W@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMQoLvFrg83EUqJVGz=MMBKLw2z8dXx1RNCdGL5YXUYNA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

That is a good picture of Lloyd sailing his 1984 boat.
It also shows the original traveler set-up...(no traveler bar)

Todd T

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, 9:36 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> The railing is mostly one piece of tubing with some bends.  Unfortunately,
> the kink I added is about in the middle of one of the bends. It's on the
> left side in the full picture.
>
> I looked through our 'Picture Gallery' for a photo of this style railing
> installed on a boat, and this is the best I found:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pics/lloyd_large.jpg
>
> When I added my solar 'arch' to the boat, I reused the existing hardware
> that's used to attach the railing to the boat.  So, I can't make that
> hardware available to you.  These are not complicated pieces, but they are
> non-standard, so it's likely you would have to have replacements
> fabricated.  My boat and trailer are still at the trailer repairs shop in
> Maine.  The trailer is supposed to be ready to go this week.  When that
> happens, I'll also take some pictures of the railing mounting hardware.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2023-09-04, at 16:10:30 EDT, Tom Hyatt wrote:
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> > That would be wonderful. If you could send me a picture of the railing
> and also
> > take a picture of where the bent section is. If it's on a straight
> section and
> > the fittings are connected with Allen screws, perhaps I could just
> replace it.
> >
> > And, by the way, I've been watching your Youtube video now for a few
> months. The
> > work you've done and your journeys are very inspiring.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> >
> >
>
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Tue Sep  5 11:45:59 2023
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
Message-ID: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>

Rhodies,

 

Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds the
pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp it
overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE and
is very brittle.

 

I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but am
wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the mast
step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended by
West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, as
far as I can tell. 

 

Thanks,

David Berg

Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003 

Minneapolis, MN

 

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 12:24:12 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
In-Reply-To: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
References: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMN--OXv8=M8HVbV6XoN4GgZAbG99M_6B1g5nJT_osh6HQ@mail.gmail.com>

David,

I have a different style fitting because I have the standard mast.
But I could send you a chunk of 1?" KingStarboard if you want to try to
fabricate one yourself.
How big of a piece would you need? 2"x6"?

Todd T

On Tue, Sep 5, 2023, 11:46 AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rhodies,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds the
> pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
> before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp it
> overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE
> and
> is very brittle.
>
>
>
> I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but am
> wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
> attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the mast
> step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended by
> West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, as
> far as I can tell.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Berg
>
> Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003
>
> Minneapolis, MN
>
>
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Sep  5 12:42:02 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:42:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
In-Reply-To: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
References: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6CBB2A7E-FDB7-41AC-A2B1-104EF4B9147F@stottarchitecture.com>

I have a standard most as well - at lease so far - Ii?m building a new IMF mast for next season.
Anyway- my existing pop top connector is made of stainless steel,2 pieces bent 90?
I?ll try to remember to take a picture of it. 
I  made a mast slider piece out of Delrin and a  mast slot guide from Defender.
I did, over the summer, successfully get Charles  Gabriel at GB to sell me new parts for the IMF guts, including a new  Pop-top connector to fit the IMF mast slot.
I will need all new shrouds - if anyone has spare shrouds to sell - let me know please. 
A new set from Dwyer is about $900+ 
R 



Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Sep 5, 2023, at 11:45 AM, DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Rhodies,
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds the
> pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
> before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp it
> overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE and
> is very brittle.
> 
> 
> 
> I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but am
> wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
> attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the mast
> step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended by
> West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, as
> far as I can tell. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Berg
> 
> Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003 
> 
> Minneapolis, MN
> 
> 
> 
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Tue Sep  5 14:52:35 2023
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 13:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMN--OXv8=M8HVbV6XoN4GgZAbG99M_6B1g5nJT_osh6HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
 <CAB-twMN--OXv8=M8HVbV6XoN4GgZAbG99M_6B1g5nJT_osh6HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <034901d9e02a$22bc14e0$68343ea0$@mac.com>

Thanks Todd,

 

Great. Responding directly to your gmail.

 

Dave

 

From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:24 AM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)

 

David,

 

I have a different style fitting because I have the standard mast.

But I could send you a chunk of 1?" KingStarboard if you want to try to fabricate one yourself.

How big of a piece would you need? 2"x6"?

 

Todd T

 

On Tue, Sep 5, 2023, 11:46 AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:

Rhodies,



Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds the
pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp it
overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE and
is very brittle.



I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but am
wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the mast
step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended by
West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, as
far as I can tell. 



Thanks,

David Berg

Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003 

Minneapolis, MN



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 16:59:48 2023
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
In-Reply-To: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
References: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjcks3mSq53OUmN8y-D7hCfP2yQt2Eu2C83_xY_kZnZFtA@mail.gmail.com>

I used a piece of 3/4? pvc pipe - cut to length & secured to the mast with
a bungee cord. I lost the original when I was demasted in a hurricane. It
worked fine for years.

Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA


On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 11:46 AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rhodies,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds the
> pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
> before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp it
> overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE
> and
> is very brittle.
>
>
>
> I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but am
> wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
> attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the mast
> step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended by
> West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, as
> far as I can tell.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Berg
>
> Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003
>
> Minneapolis, MN
>
>
>
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 21:25:20 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 01:25:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top slider attachment bracket (pop top side)
In-Reply-To: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
References: <017f01d9e010$11b651c0$3522f540$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1693963330397.3151347688.1908731611@gmail.com>


I have an original (1976) that is made of two bent stainless steel tangs 
and it is still working fine.
Graham
Agile 1976

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:45:59 AM (-04:00), DAVID BERG via 
Rhodes22-list wrote:

 > Rhodies,
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > Does anyone have a good idea for fabricating a new bracket that holds 
the
 > pop top (pop top side)? I recently broke mine as I forgot to release it
 > before lowering the mast. I thought I could just use DAP epoxy and clamp 
it
 > overnight, but that did not hold at all. The material appears to be HDPE 
and
 > is very brittle.
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > I can probably purchase a chuck of HDPE and cut/drill a new bracket, but 
am
 > wondering if anyone has a better idea for material or method? Photo
 > attached. Note that the photo also shows the chamfered holes for the 
mast
 > step tabernacle that I recently repaired. I used the method recommended 
by
 > West Systems reported in a previous thread. This ended up working great, 
as
 > far as I can tell. 
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > 
 > David Berg
 > 
 > Blue Loon, Rhodes 22 1996/2003 
 > 
 > Minneapolis, MN
 > 
 >  
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> 

-- 
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:04:01 2023
From: colealexander at hotmail.com (Alexander Cole)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 00:04:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
Message-ID: <PH7PR14MB53006FC6645402504AC8F46CA6EEA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?

Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.


Alex


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Sep  6 21:26:23 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 18:26:23 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
Message-ID: <E1qe3mp-00FJN5-Vt@s152.servername.online>

Alex,

To answer your last question first, here is the definitive write-up by Bill Wickman from our Document Library about installing a Raymarine ST-1000 on a Rhodes 22: http://www.rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

I followed Bill's approach on my boat.  It does not involve the use of pedestal, which I wouldn't want in my cockpit.

I don't have a spinnaker, but I do have a Doyle UPS, which I suppose is more like a jib, but doesn't use the fore-stay for support.  I just use it with the standard jib blocks and winches.

--Peter

> On 2023-09-06, at 20:04:01 EDT, Alexander Cole wrote:
>
> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and 
> a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at 
> the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    
> I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s 
> page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose? 
> 
> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? 
> pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet. 
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Thu Sep  7 09:51:25 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 09:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Owners in Baltimore Area?
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+sgVfgr3phxdLbj8muq8pNhruO7OjXxqtnKVQV376pXQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for Rhodes 22 owners in the Baltimore area. As a new Rhodes 22
owner, I have lots of questions about various aspects of the Rhodes. If you
would be willing to share some of your knowledge, let me know. We could
meetup for coffee or a drink.

FYI, I have my boat at the Maryland Marina in Bowleys Quarters. I know
there is at least one R22 owner who puts in there because they were the
inspiration for my choosing a Rhodes in the first place. I just have not
been able to locate them after that initial meeting.

Thanks,

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane
1978

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Sep  7 13:18:52 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 13:18:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Owners in Baltimore Area?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+sgVfgr3phxdLbj8muq8pNhruO7OjXxqtnKVQV376pXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+sgVfgr3phxdLbj8muq8pNhruO7OjXxqtnKVQV376pXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401d9e1af$615001e0$23f005a0$@ebsmed.com>

Come join us at the 2023 Annapolis Sailboat Show at City Dock & Harbor, 1 Dock Street, Annapolis, MD 21401 (https://secure.interactiveticketing.com/1.39/a0c9f1/#/select)

We will be at the Rhodes 22 exhibit. Talk to Rhodies and Stan!

The show hours are:

	October 12-15, 2023

	Thursday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
	Friday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
	Saturday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
	Sunday: 10:00am - 5:00pm

I plan to be there on Saturday.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 9:51 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Owners in Baltimore Area?

I'm looking for Rhodes 22 owners in the Baltimore area. As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I have lots of questions about various aspects of the Rhodes. If you would be willing to share some of your knowledge, let me know. We could meetup for coffee or a drink.

FYI, I have my boat at the Maryland Marina in Bowleys Quarters. I know there is at least one R22 owner who puts in there because they were the inspiration for my choosing a Rhodes in the first place. I just have not been able to locate them after that initial meeting.

Thanks,

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane
1978


From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Sep  7 13:29:40 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 13:29:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast & Sail
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On 1/8/23 11:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> Thanks Mary and Rod!  We are sure looking forward to the change.
> Chris & Alice
> Enosis/Xenos
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 1:28 AM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Have a GREAT trip Chris.  Enjoy WARM!
>>
>> Mary & Rod
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> ?Glad to be able to help.  There are so many others with much deeper
>> knowledge, but I guess I have a trick or two left.  Wish I was Rhodes
>> sailing.  We head south form Beaufort NC down the ICW (mostly) on the other
>> boat in 10 days or 2 weeks.  Still no substitute for messing about in a
>> small boat.
>>> Chris
>>> Xenos
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2023, at 2:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Chris
>>>> Thanks for mechanical lesson.  I will most likely need that info
>> sometime soon.
>>>> Mitch
>>>> Thank you too. Although I don?t need the shroud length anymore since I
>> now have all the specs - thanks to Da List - I think Peter Nyberg.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>>
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I know parts are hard to come by for the bushings. Over the years I
>> have
>>>>> had to make several sets. The last, several years ago. This was done
>> over
>>>>> in Spain so I don?t have the measurements. The technique involves
>> using  a
>>>>> drill press and a couple of hole saws. The material is a small piece of
>>>>> thick Starboard about 1 1/4? thick. Cut the first larger plug ( about
>> 1/8?
>>>>> larger than the OD of the furling tube. Secure this plug and shave it
>> down
>>>>> with a smaller holesaw slightly larger than the ID of the tube). Stop
>> short
>>>>> by an 1/8 of an inch so you create a ?drum or plug ? with a lip. Slip a
>>>>> long 1/4? bolt through the hole and secure it with nuts and lock
>> washers so
>>>>> it won?t spin. Attach to the drill mandrill and using a rasp/file/
>> abrasive
>>>>> bevel the shaft so the smaller end just slips easily into the tube
>> part way
>>>>> down. The last step is to cut the plug lengthwise through the existing
>> hole
>>>>> with a very fine band saw or I?ve used a fine jig saw blade with a
>> minimal
>>>>> kerf. Since everything is set up, make a couple of spares, just
>> remember
>>>>> where you put them when you need to replace them in a few years down
>> the
>>>>> road/Rhode. Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Xenos
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 2:13 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ric, I too have an IMF mast and boom that I got from a boat that
>> was
>>>>>> being destroyed and I would love to replace my 1990 continental with
>> the
>>>>>> IMF but haven't had time to do it or been able to find anyone that
>> could do
>>>>>> it. I believe the old shrouds are still with the mast so I could try
>> and
>>>>>> measure them. (not sure if the boats are exactly the same) I did
>> measure
>>>>>> the masts and they seem identical in overall length. I also have the
>> roller
>>>>>> furling tube for the forestay but I haven't been able to find the
>> bushings
>>>>>> that the forestay goes through. The furling tube on the older boat
>> has a
>>>>>> slot in it and the jib slides up through the slot like a bolt rope.
>> My 1990
>>>>>> furling tube is round and the jib slides over it like a sock.
>>>>>> Any information you find I would love to hear about it! Thanks, Mitch
>>>>>> I attached some images of the bushing at the top of roller furling
>> tube.
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 5:31 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !
>>>>>>> I have a few questions - - -
>>>>>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.
>>>>>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value
>> of
>>>>>>> the change.
>>>>>>> To reiterate.
>>>>>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF
>> mast
>>>>>>> and main sail.
>>>>>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500  and a mainsail somewhere
>> else
>>>>>>> for $400.
>>>>>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube  and boom are apparently complete
>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> for the shrouds.
>>>>>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual
>> style
>>>>>>> mast I have.
>>>>>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.  I assume it will cast a few hundred
>> dollars in
>>>>>>> spare parts or part changes, like the pop top connector,
>>>>>> electrical/lights
>>>>>>> connector changes, etc.
>>>>>>> Questions:
>>>>>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts?
>>>>>>> Any other parts I should be aware of that might need replacing?
>>>>>>> Where can I find IMF sail rigging guide?
>>>>>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?
>>>>>>> Are they flat or round?
>>>>>>> Does that matter?
>>>>>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?
>>>>>>> Thank you and  HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Sep  7 13:55:55 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 13:55:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
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Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed. 
Love it! 
Ric 
Dadventure 
HBNY 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164

?

> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?
> 
> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 

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From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Sep  7 15:01:26 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 15:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22
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None of this is true re Rhodes built in our shops.

I would have been hung and this Rhodes List site would not be so stoutly 
supported.? I am not upset with "Goodness": after all he did say some 
nice things about me.? I would just feel badly if Matt and David passed 
on owning what sounded like it would have been the perfect choice for 
their families.? And the following quote from David mite indicate at 
least David did.
 ??? ??? ??? ??????? "Wow.? That post? is? a? keeper. !"

Did you David?

stan


On 5/12/23 10:00 AM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> Thanks so much everyone
>
> Matt Wilson
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch<dave at dlwelch.net>  wrote:
>
>> Wow. That post is a keeper!
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes!  The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling.
>> The
>>> aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they
>>> could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly.  The
>>> shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of stress
>>> through the corroding rivets.  Additionally they were only sealed with
>>> silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like
>>> 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed
>>> together! ?
>>> The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start.
>>> My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them.
>>> The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will
>>> overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge
>>> soaking the cabin floor over and over.  Fixes include glassing in the aft
>>> lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out new
>>> drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the
>> big
>>> main drain/scupper
>>> Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube.  My tube (waterhose
>>> section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting!  (More floor soaking)
>>> Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding hatch
>> to
>>> name a few more sieve points.
>>>
>>> Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius!  Great boats, great
>>> adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling of
>>> Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat!
>>> ????
>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original
>>> 1990
>>>> boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls.  Deck has
>>>>> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop
>>>>> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy
>>> to
>>>>> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up!  Then
>> glass
>>>>> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.
>>>>> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.
>>>>> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.
>>>>> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a
>> taller
>>>>> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this
>>>>> heavier hand laid cloth hull.
>>>>> All free for hauling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR<jldunnie at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most
>> everything
>>>>> on the site!
>>>>>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes
>> 22.
>>>>> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes
>> 22
>>>>> would fit my current needs/wants.  If you are selling your boat or
>> know
>>> of
>>>>> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim

From thyatt at mica.edu  Thu Sep  7 15:05:53 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 15:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Owners in Baltimore Area?
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Hi Mike:

Yes, I plan to go. I will be there on Saturday as well..

Tom

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 1:19?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Come join us at the 2023 Annapolis Sailboat Show at City Dock & Harbor, 1
> Dock Street, Annapolis, MD 21401 (
> https://secure.interactiveticketing.com/1.39/a0c9f1/#/select)
>
> We will be at the Rhodes 22 exhibit. Talk to Rhodies and Stan!
>
> The show hours are:
>
>         October 12-15, 2023
>
>         Thursday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
>         Friday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
>         Saturday: 10:00am - 6:30pm
>         Sunday: 10:00am - 5:00pm
>
> I plan to be there on Saturday.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom
> Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 9:51 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Owners in Baltimore Area?
>
> I'm looking for Rhodes 22 owners in the Baltimore area. As a new Rhodes 22
> owner, I have lots of questions about various aspects of the Rhodes. If you
> would be willing to share some of your knowledge, let me know. We could
> meetup for coffee or a drink.
>
> FYI, I have my boat at the Maryland Marina in Bowleys Quarters. I know
> there is at least one R22 owner who puts in there because they were the
> inspiration for my choosing a Rhodes in the first place. I just have not
> been able to locate them after that initial meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane
> 1978
>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 15:22:32 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 19:22:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
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No photo

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 1:55:55 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list

Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
Love it!
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164

?

> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?
>
> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.
>
>
> Alex
>

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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 15:24:15 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 15:24:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
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I can see the photo when I click on the link.


> On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No photo
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 1:55:55 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
> 
> Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
> No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
> Love it!
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?
>> 
>> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.
>> 
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Sep  7 15:37:35 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 15:37:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
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Attaching images is sometimes troublesome.
Maybe these? 
My wife Diana is sometimes my Auto Pilot - especially when motoring - she doesn?t like herling more than 5?
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ric at stottarchitecture.com
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> On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No photo
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 1:55:55 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
> 
> Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
> No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
> Love it!
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?
>> 
>> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.
>> 
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
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From kensimolo at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 20:00:18 2023
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 17:00:18 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
In-Reply-To: <E3090541-8375-4872-901A-B2648D6C23EC@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <PH7PR14MB53006FC6645402504AC8F46CA6EEA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <E3090541-8375-4872-901A-B2648D6C23EC@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAK_z4Do4_9jA-rfteL4iHZZaAr4CVL+K2mbJDeLrc56opepi-w@mail.gmail.com>

 That is how ours is installed as well.  The autopilot is great to have.

Ken

On September 7, 2023 at 1:56:18 PM, Ric Stott (ric at stottarchitecture.com)
wrote:

Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
Love it!
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164

?

> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker? I?m looking for rigging ideas
and a source. I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF. There is an unused block
at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block placement for the
bottom. I assume turning blocks would be needed aft somewhere for sheets?
From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most general purpose?
>
> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot? I?m having trouble finding the
3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help sheet.
>
>
> Alex
>

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From kensimolo at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 00:16:55 2023
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 21:16:55 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <d8905840-0ca7-77bd-4643-fe003e51c0bb@generalboats.com>
References: <CANbEFCsA4yWwjR2z8d+HZXTqcGKAiEWEOLdouzitNj-vG7Jhvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com>
 <CALW4n=TrsmZTRGwmacjsceHom=czA7VPohj+WrPq=ZtuUuGOvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtjCbm6OH2NLf+_q+7hqrf8qdzvWaPRdfffk-+aBGjeJA@mail.gmail.com>
 <d8905840-0ca7-77bd-4643-fe003e51c0bb@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAK_z4Dq+R=P5Ro5XAh7y13oETfkuPVL7i5wq5Qb+qbwsr-C7Jg@mail.gmail.com>

 I certainly have not seen those problems and have no problem highly
recommending the Rhodes 22 for someone who wants a very nice trailerable
sailboat.  Ours is an 1988 that was overhauled by Stan in I believe 2008.
In the water for about 6 months of the year and has always been bone dry.

Ken

On September 7, 2023 at 3:02:03 PM, Stan Spitzer (stan at generalboats.com)
wrote:

None of this is true re Rhodes built in our shops.

I would have been hung and this Rhodes List site would not be so stoutly
supported.  I am not upset with "Goodness": after all he did say some
nice things about me.  I would just feel badly if Matt and David passed
on owning what sounded like it would have been the perfect choice for
their families.  And the following quote from David mite indicate at
least David did.
                    "Wow.  That post  is  a  keeper. !"

Did you David?

stan


On 5/12/23 10:00 AM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> Thanks so much everyone
>
> Matt Wilson
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch<dave at dlwelch.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow. That post is a keeper!
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling.
>> The
>>> aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they
>>> could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly. The
>>> shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of
stress
>>> through the corroding rivets. Additionally they were only sealed with
>>> silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like
>>> 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed
>>> together! ?
>>> The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start.
>>> My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them.
>>> The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will
>>> overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge
>>> soaking the cabin floor over and over. Fixes include glassing in the aft
>>> lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out new
>>> drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the
>> big
>>> main drain/scupper
>>> Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube. My tube (waterhose
>>> section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting! (More floor soaking)
>>> Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding hatch
>> to
>>> name a few more sieve points.
>>>
>>> Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius! Great boats, great
>>> adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling of
>>> Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat!
>>> ????
>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original
>>> 1990
>>>> boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls. Deck has
>>>>> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum pop
>>>>> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be easy
>>> to
>>>>> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up! Then
>> glass
>>>>> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.
>>>>> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.
>>>>> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.
>>>>> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a
>> taller
>>>>> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this
>>>>> heavier hand laid cloth hull.
>>>>> All free for hauling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR<jldunnie at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most
>> everything
>>>>> on the site!
>>>>>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes
>> 22.
>>>>> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes
>> 22
>>>>> would fit my current needs/wants. If you are selling your boat or
>> know
>>> of
>>>>> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 05:08:10 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 05:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <d8905840-0ca7-77bd-4643-fe003e51c0bb@generalboats.com>
References: <CANbEFCsA4yWwjR2z8d+HZXTqcGKAiEWEOLdouzitNj-vG7Jhvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com>
 <CALW4n=TrsmZTRGwmacjsceHom=czA7VPohj+WrPq=ZtuUuGOvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtjCbm6OH2NLf+_q+7hqrf8qdzvWaPRdfffk-+aBGjeJA@mail.gmail.com>
 <d8905840-0ca7-77bd-4643-fe003e51c0bb@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNsC_oOMj9_Tnk-8+sNau0G_0zEmxA3Y68TVaZ2guJfgg@mail.gmail.com>

One only needs to understand that this person was complaining that the 50
year old pop rivets were failing on his boat built in 1973. If memory
serves me right, Stan wasn't building the hulls himself back then.

C'mon...50 years for aluminum pop rivets in a marine environment?? That's
what we in the mechanical trades call, LOM. (Lack of Maintenance)
It is no fault of Stan's that those rivets were failing.

Todd T.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 3:01 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> None of this is true re Rhodes built in our shops.
>
> I would have been hung and this Rhodes List site would not be so stoutly
> supported.  I am not upset with "Goodness": after all he did say some
> nice things about me.  I would just feel badly if Matt and David passed
> on owning what sounded like it would have been the perfect choice for
> their families.  And the following quote from David mite indicate at
> least David did.
>                      "Wow.  That post  is  a  keeper. !"
>
> Did you David?
>
> stan
>
>
> On 5/12/23 10:00 AM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > Thanks so much everyone
> >
> > Matt Wilson
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch<dave at dlwelch.net>  wrote:
> >
> >> Wow. That post is a keeper!
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes!  The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling.
> >> The
> >>> aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so they
> >>> could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly.
> The
> >>> shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of
> stress
> >>> through the corroding rivets.  Additionally they were only sealed with
> >>> silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like
> >>> 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed
> >>> together! ?
> >>> The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start.
> >>> My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them.
> >>> The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will
> >>> overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the bilge
> >>> soaking the cabin floor over and over.  Fixes include glassing in the
> aft
> >>> lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out
> new
> >>> drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down the
> >> big
> >>> main drain/scupper
> >>> Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube.  My tube (waterhose
> >>> section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting!  (More floor soaking)
> >>> Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding
> hatch
> >> to
> >>> name a few more sieve points.
> >>>
> >>> Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius!  Great boats,
> great
> >>> adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling
> of
> >>> Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat!
> >>> ????
> >>>
> >>>> On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an original
> >>> 1990
> >>>> boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>> Hornblower II
> >>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls.  Deck has
> >>>>> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum
> pop
> >>>>> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be
> easy
> >>> to
> >>>>> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up!  Then
> >> glass
> >>>>> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.
> >>>>> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.
> >>>>> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.
> >>>>> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a
> >> taller
> >>>>> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for this
> >>>>> heavier hand laid cloth hull.
> >>>>> All free for hauling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR<jldunnie at comcast.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> ?Hi folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most
> >> everything
> >>>>> on the site!
> >>>>>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price Rhodes
> >> 22.
> >>>>> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the Rhodes
> >> 22
> >>>>> would fit my current needs/wants.  If you are selling your boat or
> >> know
> >>> of
> >>>>> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 05:28:54 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 11:28:54 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
In-Reply-To: <E3090541-8375-4872-901A-B2648D6C23EC@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <PH7PR14MB53006FC6645402504AC8F46CA6EEA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <E3090541-8375-4872-901A-B2648D6C23EC@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBuDqxEihrG3=MxuimZ-z3UROFQ60Kor7KLugt0dmZ+sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ric
I assume the auto pilot is an auto tiller, keeping a compass heading. Is
that correct?
Sail la Vie
Bob


On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 7:56 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
> No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
> Love it!
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
> ?
>
> > On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging
> ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an
> unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block
> placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft
> somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most
> general purpose?
> >
> > Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding
> the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help
> sheet.
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Sep  8 07:07:16 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 07:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBBuDqxEihrG3=MxuimZ-z3UROFQ60Kor7KLugt0dmZ+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBBuDqxEihrG3=MxuimZ-z3UROFQ60Kor7KLugt0dmZ+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1640A9E2-8036-435D-A5FD-C641CDD5A3AB@stottarchitecture.com>

Yes and if connected properly will talk to your GPS and follow a route. 
Ric
Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2023, at 5:29 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Ric
> I assume the auto pilot is an auto tiller, keeping a compass heading. Is
> that correct?
> Sail la Vie
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 7:56 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Attached is a photo of my T-1000 Auto Pilot Install.
>> No pedestal needed Use it all the time, especially when single handed.
>> Love it!
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> HBNY
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Alexander Cole <colealexander at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anybody fly an asymmetrical spinnaker?    I?m looking for rigging
>> ideas and a source.    I have a 2002, 2017 refit with IMF.    There is an
>> unused block at the masthead, but a pulpit anchor will affect block
>> placement for the bottom.    I assume turning blocks would be needed aft
>> somewhere for sheets?   From Doyle?s page I think an A1 would be the most
>> general purpose?
>>> 
>>> Also, has anybody installed an autopilot?    I?m having trouble finding
>> the 3? pedastal for Raymarine?s product, as listed on the user group help
>> sheet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Sep  8 12:24:03 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 12:24:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1996 Rhodes 22 for sale Long Island (NY) $12,600
Message-ID: <000b01d9e270$e2ac0880$a8041980$@ebsmed.com>

I just noticed that there is a 1996 Rhodes 22 for sale for $12,600 on
Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/712607927368233/?mibextid=IouU6C

 

"Sailboat currently moored in Northport Harbor. Many updated including total
new wiring and new cushioned cockpit cushions.  Can be trailed. Boat stands
included for overwinter storage. Price negotiable"

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)

 

 

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 20:00:37 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 19:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNsC_oOMj9_Tnk-8+sNau0G_0zEmxA3Y68TVaZ2guJfgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCsA4yWwjR2z8d+HZXTqcGKAiEWEOLdouzitNj-vG7Jhvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1842BCC7-86FE-415B-A366-F80FD893E9BD@gmail.com>
 <CALW4n=TrsmZTRGwmacjsceHom=czA7VPohj+WrPq=ZtuUuGOvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtjCbm6OH2NLf+_q+7hqrf8qdzvWaPRdfffk-+aBGjeJA@mail.gmail.com>
 <d8905840-0ca7-77bd-4643-fe003e51c0bb@generalboats.com>
 <CAB-twMNsC_oOMj9_Tnk-8+sNau0G_0zEmxA3Y68TVaZ2guJfgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVJ+9mkYJ2f7Bsb8pRsEPGGu7VGB-jjiyT9iHj7V1f1OA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, what Todd said!  Besides just drill them out reseal and use screws,
nuts & bolts or SS pop rivets for another 50 years of fun.
Chris Geankoplis
Rhodie for the last 48 years

On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:08 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One only needs to understand that this person was complaining that the 50
> year old pop rivets were failing on his boat built in 1973. If memory
> serves me right, Stan wasn't building the hulls himself back then.
>
> C'mon...50 years for aluminum pop rivets in a marine environment?? That's
> what we in the mechanical trades call, LOM. (Lack of Maintenance)
> It is no fault of Stan's that those rivets were failing.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 3:01 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> > None of this is true re Rhodes built in our shops.
> >
> > I would have been hung and this Rhodes List site would not be so stoutly
> > supported.  I am not upset with "Goodness": after all he did say some
> > nice things about me.  I would just feel badly if Matt and David passed
> > on owning what sounded like it would have been the perfect choice for
> > their families.  And the following quote from David mite indicate at
> > least David did.
> >                      "Wow.  That post  is  a  keeper. !"
> >
> > Did you David?
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> > On 5/12/23 10:00 AM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > > Thanks so much everyone
> > >
> > > Matt Wilson
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch<dave at dlwelch.net>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wow. That post is a keeper!
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yes!  The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling.
> > >> The
> > >>> aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so
> they
> > >>> could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly.
> > The
> > >>> shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of
> > stress
> > >>> through the corroding rivets.  Additionally they were only sealed
> with
> > >>> silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like
> > >>> 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed
> > >>> together! ?
> > >>> The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start.
> > >>> My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them.
> > >>> The worst is the seat drain?s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will
> > >>> overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the
> bilge
> > >>> soaking the cabin floor over and over.  Fixes include glassing in the
> > aft
> > >>> lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out
> > new
> > >>> drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down
> the
> > >> big
> > >>> main drain/scupper
> > >>> Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube.  My tube
> (waterhose
> > >>> section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting!  (More floor
> soaking)
> > >>> Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding
> > hatch
> > >> to
> > >>> name a few more sieve points.
> > >>>
> > >>> Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius!  Great boats,
> > great
> > >>> adventure and designed in ?flaws? (techniques) enabling the recycling
> > of
> > >>> Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat!
> > >>> ????
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>> ?Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an
> original
> > >>> 1990
> > >>>> boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls.  Deck
> has
> > >>>>> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum
> > pop
> > >>>>> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be
> > easy
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up!  Then
> > >> glass
> > >>>>> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.
> > >>>>> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.
> > >>>>> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.
> > >>>>> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a
> > >> taller
> > >>>>> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for
> this
> > >>>>> heavier hand laid cloth hull.
> > >>>>> All free for hauling.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR<
> jldunnie at comcast.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> ?Hi folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I?m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most
> > >> everything
> > >>>>> on the site!
> > >>>>>> As I?m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price
> Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the
> Rhodes
> > >> 22
> > >>>>> would fit my current needs/wants.  If you are selling your boat or
> > >> know
> > >>> of
> > >>>>> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim
> >
>

From colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  9 18:56:34 2023
From: colealexander at hotmail.com (Alexander Cole)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 22:56:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising upgrade dream list
In-Reply-To: <PH7PR14MB53006FC6645402504AC8F46CA6EEA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH7PR14MB53006FC6645402504AC8F46CA6EEA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <PH7PR14MB5300C386F59FD3F9576D1677A6ECA@PH7PR14MB5300.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks everybody,.  I?m distracted by a failure of the masthead light, not a bulb.    I think it?s the fitting, but I broke the connection inside the mast trying to access it.   Time for an emergency order.

But I?m getting the autopilot too.    But it won?t get installed in time for Thursday, just the emergency order of the wire and light.

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Sep 10 13:50:02 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
Message-ID: <E1qfOZO-001WGf-W1@s152.servername.online>

I feel I owe the list the final chapter (I hope) in this story.

I picked up my boat and trailer from Brian's Trailer Repair in Berwick, ME on Friday, almost exactly 6 weeks after having lost a wheel on the Maine Turnpike on my way to Rockland.

Long story short, we decided to replace pretty much everything that makes a boat trailer a trailer:  new axles, hubs, springs, disc breaks, tire rims, actuator, break lines, plus other miscellaneous hardware and lots of labor.  At every point where I was presented with options, I chose whatever seemed most robust, which I'm sure also meant most expensive.  The total bill came in at about $7,000.

I hope to get in one more week long cruise starting in a few days, but we'll have to keep an eye on hurricane Lee. 
 
Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-07-21, at 21:39:35 EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>
> So, yesterday I was towing my boat from Connecticut up to Rockland, ME, as I do 
> several times a year lately.  Shortly after crossing the Maine - New Hampshire 
> border, something about the behavior of the trailer caught my attention, but I 
> can't really say exactly what it was.  When I glanced in the rear-view mirror, 
> the first thing I noticed was a tire and wheel rolling freely down the highway 
> somewhere behind me.  The second thing I noticed was a shower of sparks coming 
> from behind the forward trailer wheel on the driver's side.  I decided that I 
> should probably pull over to the break-down lane. The trailer handled the loss 
> of one wheel pretty well, so fortunately, it was a pretty low drama situation. 
> 
> My trailer is a dual-axle galvanized Triad. manufactured for General Boats in 
> 2016. 
> 
> I maintain an 'Unlimited Gold' membership with BoatUS, so I called them to 
> arrange for transport for the boat and trailer to a trailer repair shop about 20 
> miles away.  The bill for the 'tow' was over $700, so I'll come out ahead on my 
> membership this year. 
> 
> As the attached (I hope) pictures might show, it was the axle itself that 
> failed.  I have the wheel hubs serviced every year, and check them periodically 
> when towing to make sure they're not getting hot, but of course the thing you're 
> checking is not the the thing that fails. 
> 
> The trailer shop in Maine is still in the process of figuring out options, but 
> I'm pretty sure that they won't be cheap, and they won't be quick. 
> 
> Be careful out there,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment.jpg" 
> target="_blank">Axle.jpg</a> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment-0001.jpg" 
> target="_blank">Wheel.jpg</a> 
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Sep 10 16:22:32 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:22:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <E1qfOZO-001WGf-W1@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qfOZO-001WGf-W1@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <2DBF2E2E-C0D9-42DD-9493-450DE1EB1AA1@aol.com>

Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost? 

> On Sep 10, 2023, at 1:50 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I feel I owe the list the final chapter (I hope) in this story.
> 
> I picked up my boat and trailer from Brian's Trailer Repair in Berwick, ME on Friday, almost exactly 6 weeks after having lost a wheel on the Maine Turnpike on my way to Rockland.
> 
> Long story short, we decided to replace pretty much everything that makes a boat trailer a trailer:  new axles, hubs, springs, disc breaks, tire rims, actuator, break lines, plus other miscellaneous hardware and lots of labor.  At every point where I was presented with options, I chose whatever seemed most robust, which I'm sure also meant most expensive.  The total bill came in at about $7,000.
> 
> I hope to get in one more week long cruise starting in a few days, but we'll have to keep an eye on hurricane Lee. 
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2023-07-21, at 21:39:35 EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>> 
>> So, yesterday I was towing my boat from Connecticut up to Rockland, ME, as I do 
>> several times a year lately.  Shortly after crossing the Maine - New Hampshire 
>> border, something about the behavior of the trailer caught my attention, but I 
>> can't really say exactly what it was.  When I glanced in the rear-view mirror, 
>> the first thing I noticed was a tire and wheel rolling freely down the highway 
>> somewhere behind me.  The second thing I noticed was a shower of sparks coming 
>> from behind the forward trailer wheel on the driver's side.  I decided that I 
>> should probably pull over to the break-down lane. The trailer handled the loss 
>> of one wheel pretty well, so fortunately, it was a pretty low drama situation. 
>> 
>> My trailer is a dual-axle galvanized Triad. manufactured for General Boats in 
>> 2016. 
>> 
>> I maintain an 'Unlimited Gold' membership with BoatUS, so I called them to 
>> arrange for transport for the boat and trailer to a trailer repair shop about 20 
>> miles away.  The bill for the 'tow' was over $700, so I'll come out ahead on my 
>> membership this year. 
>> 
>> As the attached (I hope) pictures might show, it was the axle itself that 
>> failed.  I have the wheel hubs serviced every year, and check them periodically 
>> when towing to make sure they're not getting hot, but of course the thing you're 
>> checking is not the the thing that fails. 
>> 
>> The trailer shop in Maine is still in the process of figuring out options, but 
>> I'm pretty sure that they won't be cheap, and they won't be quick. 
>> 
>> Be careful out there,
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">Axle.jpg</a> 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">Wheel.jpg</a> 
>> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Sep 10 17:44:30 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
Message-ID: <E1qfSEI-002KD4-1v@s152.servername.online>

When I bought the new trailer and recycled boat from GB in 2016, I believe the trailer was around $6000.  That was with drum brakes, which had to be replaced after a couple of years of salt water dunking.

All the new stuff on the rebuilt trailer is, of course, much higher quality than the original equipment.  If you don't believe me, just ask the guy I paid the $7000 to :)

--Peter

> On 2023-09-10, at 16:22:32 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>
> Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost?
> 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 19:22:00 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 18:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <E1qfOZO-001WGf-W1@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qfOZO-001WGf-W1@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXRYLqc_WdFcwr16VEyhrubN5NihG76H-hFS26+D9OhHA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,
          I know how talented you are any if you could have, you might have
done the repairs yourself; and made a great video of the project. But being
out of state, it wasn?t possible. $7,000 is a lot of money but you now have
the proverbial ?bullet proof trailer?.  I hope you get that week on the
water while the weather is still
A beautiful New England Fall.

Chris Geankoplis
Xenos
On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 12:50 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> I feel I owe the list the final chapter (I hope) in this story.
>
> I picked up my boat and trailer from Brian's Trailer Repair in Berwick, ME
> on Friday, almost exactly 6 weeks after having lost a wheel on the Maine
> Turnpike on my way to Rockland.
>
> Long story short, we decided to replace pretty much everything that makes
> a boat trailer a trailer:  new axles, hubs, springs, disc breaks, tire
> rims, actuator, break lines, plus other miscellaneous hardware and lots of
> labor.  At every point where I was presented with options, I chose whatever
> seemed most robust, which I'm sure also meant most expensive.  The total
> bill came in at about $7,000.
>
> I hope to get in one more week long cruise starting in a few days, but
> we'll have to keep an eye on hurricane Lee.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-07-21, at 21:39:35 EDT, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> >
> > So, yesterday I was towing my boat from Connecticut up to Rockland, ME,
> as I do
> > several times a year lately.  Shortly after crossing the Maine - New
> Hampshire
> > border, something about the behavior of the trailer caught my attention,
> but I
> > can't really say exactly what it was.  When I glanced in the rear-view
> mirror,
> > the first thing I noticed was a tire and wheel rolling freely down the
> highway
> > somewhere behind me.  The second thing I noticed was a shower of sparks
> coming
> > from behind the forward trailer wheel on the driver's side.  I decided
> that I
> > should probably pull over to the break-down lane. The trailer handled
> the loss
> > of one wheel pretty well, so fortunately, it was a pretty low drama
> situation.
> >
> > My trailer is a dual-axle galvanized Triad. manufactured for General
> Boats in
> > 2016.
> >
> > I maintain an 'Unlimited Gold' membership with BoatUS, so I called them
> to
> > arrange for transport for the boat and trailer to a trailer repair shop
> about 20
> > miles away.  The bill for the 'tow' was over $700, so I'll come out
> ahead on my
> > membership this year.
> >
> > As the attached (I hope) pictures might show, it was the axle itself
> that
> > failed.  I have the wheel hubs serviced every year, and check them
> periodically
> > when towing to make sure they're not getting hot, but of course the
> thing you're
> > checking is not the the thing that fails.
> >
> > The trailer shop in Maine is still in the process of figuring out
> options, but
> > I'm pretty sure that they won't be cheap, and they won't be quick.
> >
> > Be careful out there,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Axle.jpg</a>
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230721/5e2e51fe/attachment-0001.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Wheel.jpg</a>
> >
>
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Sep 10 20:05:50 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:05:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <E1qfSEI-002KD4-1v@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qfSEI-002KD4-1v@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <46C0ACE2-FC73-40AA-95B5-DAFA6F5D2C4A@aol.com>

Good luck Peter with the rebuilt.  I am personally petrified to take my single axle trailer on the highways. I?m sorry I didn?t get the double axle and your story reinforces that. 

> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When I bought the new trailer and recycled boat from GB in 2016, I believe the trailer was around $6000.  That was with drum brakes, which had to be replaced after a couple of years of salt water dunking.
> 
> All the new stuff on the rebuilt trailer is, of course, much higher quality than the original equipment.  If you don't believe me, just ask the guy I paid the $7000 to :)
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2023-09-10, at 16:22:32 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost?
>> 
>> 
> 


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 02:24:17 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 02:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <46C0ACE2-FC73-40AA-95B5-DAFA6F5D2C4A@aol.com>
References: <46C0ACE2-FC73-40AA-95B5-DAFA6F5D2C4A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <99D4D4AC-53B8-4EAB-A345-1AF983451BC0@yahoo.com>

I?m the same, single axle trailer with no
brakes came with the ?86 R22 I bought in St Pete in 2020 - towed it 45 minutes to small lake (Keystone)  I?m on, but got a flat with only 5 miles left to go, spare barely held air had to inflate it a lot, after I arrived I replaced the wheels & tires & spare. Haven?t taken it anywhere since, it stays in the lake tied to my small boathouse dock, use it just for haul-out maintenance, but it really didn?t tow that badly behind Mercedes GLE 350. Can?t go CT to ME like Peter - maybe 1hr distance would be okay? 
  
  
Larry
  
Keystone Lake
  
Odessa FL

> On Sep 10, 2023, at 8:06 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Good luck Peter with the rebuilt.  I am personally petrified to take my single axle trailer on the highways. I?m sorry I didn?t get the double axle and your story reinforces that. 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?When I bought the new trailer and recycled boat from GB in 2016, I believe the trailer was around $6000.  That was with drum brakes, which had to be replaced after a couple of years of salt water dunking.
>> 
>> All the new stuff on the rebuilt trailer is, of course, much higher quality than the original equipment.  If you don't believe me, just ask the guy I paid the $7000 to :)
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>>> On 2023-09-10, at 16:22:32 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 15:26:52 2023
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:26:52 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
Message-ID: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>

I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.

The trailer is a one axle triad.

Thanks for your help.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Sep 11 15:44:18 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:44:18 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
Message-ID: <E1qfmpW-00B95s-WB@s152.servername.online>

I am by no means an expert on this, but I would say as a general statement, NO, you can't.  You might be able to get away with it for a short distance at low speed over level ground.  

--Peter

> On 2023-09-11, at 15:26:52 EDT, Luis Guzman wrote:
>
> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which has a 
> towing capacity of 2300 lbs. 
> 
> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> <a href="http://www.TropicalMinds.com">http://www.TropicalMinds.com</a> 941 
> 580-1577 
> 
> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 15:46:51 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT77VnokWSbawE5vgFz5jmgoJ7KDZ7u_+=xx4X2brQZaOA@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had double
that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
Graham Stewart
Agile

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which
> has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>
> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Sep 11 16:31:39 2023
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:31:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT77VnokWSbawE5vgFz5jmgoJ7KDZ7u_+=xx4X2brQZaOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
 <CACdaeT77VnokWSbawE5vgFz5jmgoJ7KDZ7u_+=xx4X2brQZaOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985E8700DA9CCA2DFBE4FD1C1F2A@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the same build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow rig is not as robust as the one on my truck.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing

Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had double
that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
Graham Stewart
Agile

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which
> has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>
> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b379708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C638300584295585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4UhkKr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<http://www.tropicalminds.com/>
> 941 580-1577
>
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 16:48:19 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:48:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <E1qfmpW-00B95s-WB@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1qfmpW-00B95s-WB@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CACSd1j+JE6eo-De7uV+Mxc2L91q+_egMSUQBbK61zxKtd-9T2g@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Peter.  No.

Mike Corley
99 Rhodes
Hampton Roads, VA.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:44?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I am by no means an expert on this, but I would say as a general
> statement, NO, you can't.  You might be able to get away with it for a
> short distance at low speed over level ground.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2023-09-11, at 15:26:52 EDT, Luis Guzman wrote:
> >
> > I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> which has a
> > towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> >
> > The trailer is a one axle triad.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > <a href="http://www.TropicalMinds.com">http://www.TropicalMinds.com</a>
> 941
> > 580-1577
> >
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Sep 11 17:06:14 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:06:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985E8700DA9CCA2DFBE4FD1C1F2A@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
 <CACdaeT77VnokWSbawE5vgFz5jmgoJ7KDZ7u_+=xx4X2brQZaOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR05MB6985E8700DA9CCA2DFBE4FD1C1F2A@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <005e01d9e4f3$cd8b13d0$68a13b70$@ebsmed.com>

It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
link:
https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing

I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the same
build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow rig is
not as robust as the one on my truck.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham
Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing

Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had double
that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
Graham Stewart
Agile

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex 
> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>
> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<http://www.tropicalminds.com
> />
> 941 580-1577
>
>


From kensimolo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 17:57:04 2023
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
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 If the towing capacity is 2300 lbs, then it would not be safe.   Boat and
trailer is probably 4000 lbs or more.

Ken

On September 11, 2023 at 3:27:09 PM, Luis Guzman (luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com)
wrote:

I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which
has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.

The trailer is a one axle triad.

Thanks for your help.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 18:03:41 2023
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:03:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:

Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t

Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
> link:
> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> 
> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the same
> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow rig is
> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> 
> Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham
> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> 
> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had double
> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> Graham Stewart
> Agile
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex 
>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>> 
>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<http://www.tropicalminds.com
>> />
>> 941 580-1577
>> 
>> 
> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 18:12:36 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:12:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <1D4435FF-D73E-4CAE-B391-9DBC83A4DA3C@gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
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I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter trips.
If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed short
 distances with a Pilot.
Graham

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
>
> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
>
> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
> > On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
> > link:
> > https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lowe,
> > Rob
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >
> > I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> same
> > build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> rig is
> > not as robust as the one on my truck.
> >
> > Rob
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham
> > Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >
> > Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> double
> > that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> >> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> >>
> >> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> >> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> >> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> >> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> >> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> >> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<http://www.tropicalminds.com
> >> />
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 18:20:35 2023
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:20:35 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT55HymjhcjeNyNqi5DjrJuCs3W5-zc=MA2yqAgsPMu+-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
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I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any equipment from the inside.

I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

> On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter trips.
> If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed short
> distances with a Pilot.
> Graham
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
>> 
>> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
>> 
>> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
>> 
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
>> 941 580-1577
>> 
>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
>>> link:
>>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Lowe,
>>> Rob
>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>> 
>>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
>> same
>>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
>> rig is
>>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Graham
>>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>> 
>>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
>> double
>>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
>>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>>>> 
>>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
>>>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
>>>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
>>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
>>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<http://www.tropicalminds.com
>>>> />
>>>> 941 580-1577
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 18:54:19 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
Graham

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
> equipment from the inside.
>
> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
> > On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
> trips.
> > If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> > terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
> short
> > distances with a Pilot.
> > Graham
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
> >>
> >> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
> >>
> >> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
> >>> link:
> >>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Lowe,
> >>> Rob
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>
> >>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> >> same
> >>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> >> rig is
> >>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Graham
> >>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> >> double
> >>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>> Agile
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> >>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >>>>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> >>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
> %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> >>>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> >>>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> >>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> >>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
> http://www.tropicalminds.com
> >>>> />
> >>>> 941 580-1577
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 19:22:25 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:22:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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I wouldn't  unless you're not going to be going over 15-25 mph on back roads, NOT on a highway. The Rhodes w/equipment will weigh in around 2600-2800 lbs. If memory serves me, an empty Rhodes weighs 2500 lbs. You don't want to be in a lightweight vehicle equal to or less weight than your tow. Even if you're being careful, in an emergency at 40 mph stepping hard on the brakes will almost surely lead to a jack knife with the loaded trailer pushing you out of control. (Even with trailer brakes).

I would say, unless you live within a mile or two from the ramp or lift, I couldn't recommend it.

Joe Dempsey
Trojan 42
M/V Voyager
Former Rhodes 22
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 6:54:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing

Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
Graham

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
> equipment from the inside.
>
> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
> > On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
> trips.
> > If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> > terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
> short
> > distances with a Pilot.
> > Graham
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
> >>
> >> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
> >>
> >> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
> >>> link:
> >>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Lowe,
> >>> Rob
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>
> >>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> >> same
> >>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> >> rig is
> >>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Graham
> >>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> >> double
> >>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>> Agile
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> >>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >>>>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> >>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
> %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> >>>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> >>>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> >>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> >>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
> http://www.tropicalminds.com
> >>>> />
> >>>> 941 580-1577
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 19:29:06 2023
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:29:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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I think this came up on the list before, but if my memory serves me, there
is also a liability issue if your towed load exceeds the capacity of your
vehicle and you?re involved in an accident. In a light vehicle even on the
flat you?ll feel the push every time you slow with your brakes. I would
want some excess tow capacity for my vehicle. Piece of mind from a Uhaul
pickup or the pickup truck from the Home Depot would probably be worth the
money.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 7:22 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't  unless you're not going to be going over 15-25 mph on back
> roads, NOT on a highway. The Rhodes w/equipment will weigh in around
> 2600-2800 lbs. If memory serves me, an empty Rhodes weighs 2500 lbs. You
> don't want to be in a lightweight vehicle equal to or less weight than your
> tow. Even if you're being careful, in an emergency at 40 mph stepping hard
> on the brakes will almost surely lead to a jack knife with the loaded
> trailer pushing you out of control. (Even with trailer brakes).
>
> I would say, unless you live within a mile or two from the ramp or lift, I
> couldn't recommend it.
>
> Joe Dempsey
> Trojan 42
> M/V Voyager
> Former Rhodes 22
> S/V Respite
> Deltaville, VA
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 6:54:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>
> Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
> speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
> a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
> terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
> Graham
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
> > equipment from the inside.
> >
> > I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
> >
> > Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > 941 580-1577
> >
> > > On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
> > trips.
> > > If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> > > terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
> > short
> > > distances with a Pilot.
> > > Graham
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
> > >>
> > >> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
> > >>
> > >> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
> > >>
> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > >> 941 580-1577
> > >>
> > >>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the
> following
> > >>> link:
> > >>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > >> Lowe,
> > >>> Rob
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> > >>>
> > >>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> > >> same
> > >>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> > >> rig is
> > >>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> > >>>
> > >>> Rob
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > >> Graham
> > >>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> > >>>
> > >>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> > >> double
> > >>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> > >>> Graham Stewart
> > >>> Agile
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <
> luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> > >>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks for your help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >>>>
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> > >>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
> > %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> > >>>>
> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> > >>>>
> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> > >>>>
> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> > >>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
> > http://www.tropicalminds.com
> > >>>> />
> > >>>> 941 580-1577
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 19:29:32 2023
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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The Honda Pilot weights 4341 all by itself.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

> On 11 Sep 2023, at 17:22, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't  unless you're not going to be going over 15-25 mph on back roads, NOT on a highway. The Rhodes w/equipment will weigh in around 2600-2800 lbs. If memory serves me, an empty Rhodes weighs 2500 lbs. You don't want to be in a lightweight vehicle equal to or less weight than your tow. Even if you're being careful, in an emergency at 40 mph stepping hard on the brakes will almost surely lead to a jack knife with the loaded trailer pushing you out of control. (Even with trailer brakes).
> 
> I would say, unless you live within a mile or two from the ramp or lift, I couldn't recommend it.
> 
> Joe Dempsey
> Trojan 42
> M/V Voyager
> Former Rhodes 22
> S/V Respite
> Deltaville, VA
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 6:54:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> 
> Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
> speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
> a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
> terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
> Graham
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
>> equipment from the inside.
>> 
>> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
>> 
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
>> 941 580-1577
>> 
>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
>> trips.
>>> If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
>>> terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
>> short
>>> distances with a Pilot.
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
>>>> 
>>>> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
>>>> 
>>>> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
>>>> 
>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>>>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
>>>> 941 580-1577
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
>>>>> link:
>>>>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Lowe,
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
>>>> same
>>>>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
>>>> rig is
>>>>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>> Graham
>>>>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
>>>> double
>>>>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
>>>>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>>>>>> 
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>>>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
>> %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
>>>>>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
>>>>>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
>>>>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
>>>>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
>> http://www.tropicalminds.com
>>>>>> />
>>>>>> 941 580-1577
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Sep 11 19:34:08 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
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On 9/11/23 7:22 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote:
> I wouldn't  unless you're not going to be going over 15-25 mph on back roads, NOT on a highway. The Rhodes w/equipment will weigh in around 2600-2800 lbs. If memory serves me, an empty Rhodes weighs 2500 lbs. You don't want to be in a lightweight vehicle equal to or less weight than your tow. Even if you're being careful, in an emergency at 40 mph stepping hard on the brakes will almost surely lead to a jack knife with the loaded trailer pushing you out of control. (Even with trailer brakes).
>
> I would say, unless you live within a mile or two from the ramp or lift, I couldn't recommend it.
>
> Joe Dempsey
> Trojan 42
> M/V Voyager
> Former Rhodes 22
> S/V Respite
> Deltaville, VA
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 6:54:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>
> Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
> speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
> a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
> terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
> Graham
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
>> equipment from the inside.
>>
>> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
>>
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> http://www.tropicalminds.com/
>> 941 580-1577
>>
>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
>> trips.
>>> If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
>>> terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
>> short
>>> distances with a Pilot.
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
>>>>
>>>> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
>>>>
>>>> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
>>>>
>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>>>> http://www.tropicalminds.com/
>>>> 941 580-1577
>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the following
>>>>> link:
>>>>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Lowe,
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
>>>> same
>>>>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
>>>> rig is
>>>>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>> Graham
>>>>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
>>>> double
>>>>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
>>>>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>>>>>>
>> http://www.t/
>>>>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
>> %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
>>>>>> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
>>>>>> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
>>>>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
>>>>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
>> http://www.tropicalminds.com/
>>>>>> />
>>>>>> 941 580-1577
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>


From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 20:15:48 2023
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:15:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <5ADC8CBA-5641-462F-9DEF-E4C5A0CD8687@gmail.com>
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Should have mentioned in my last message: I have a '76 Continental on a
painted steel trailer. When I bought the trailer in Ohio they were pretty
strict on brake laws so I learned a lot about GCWR to be cautious. If you
have a weigh station nearby that?s probably your best bet. We all probably
have slightly different numbers given the vintages, changes, etc. My Triad
trailer alone weighs 680lbs (according to the weight slip from Dave
Congdon). If you take your stated 2WD tow capacity (3500) and remove the
empty trailer weight (680) you're at 2820 left over for the boat to keep it
at or below the towing capacity. Keep in mind you have to factor in what
else is going into the Pilot since that will change your GCWR figure. Do
your math, be safe, and enjoy the sailing.

From American Honda Motors website, "Towing requires installation of power
steering fluid- and automatic transmission fluid-cooler, both available
exclusively from your Honda dealer. Premium unleaded fuel is recommended
when towing above 3500 lbs. Capacity of 4500 lbs. is for boat trailers and
3500 lbs. for all other trailers. Refer to the owner's manual for
additional towing information."

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 7:29 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Honda Pilot weights 4341 all by itself.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
> > On 11 Sep 2023, at 17:22, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't  unless you're not going to be going over 15-25 mph on back
> roads, NOT on a highway. The Rhodes w/equipment will weigh in around
> 2600-2800 lbs. If memory serves me, an empty Rhodes weighs 2500 lbs. You
> don't want to be in a lightweight vehicle equal to or less weight than your
> tow. Even if you're being careful, in an emergency at 40 mph stepping hard
> on the brakes will almost surely lead to a jack knife with the loaded
> trailer pushing you out of control. (Even with trailer brakes).
> >
> > I would say, unless you live within a mile or two from the ramp or lift,
> I couldn't recommend it.
> >
> > Joe Dempsey
> > Trojan 42
> > M/V Voyager
> > Former Rhodes 22
> > S/V Respite
> > Deltaville, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 6:54:19 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >
> > Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep
> the
> > speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give
> you
> > a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on
> flat
> > terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
> > Graham
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
> >> equipment from the inside.
> >>
> >> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
> >> trips.
> >>> If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> >>> terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
> >> short
> >>> distances with a Pilot.
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
> >>>>
> >>>> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
> >>>>
> >>>> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >>>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >>>> 941 580-1577
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the
> following
> >>>>> link:
> >>>>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Lowe,
> >>>>> Rob
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> >>>> same
> >>>>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> >>>> rig is
> >>>>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rob
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>> Graham
> >>>>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> >>>> double
> >>>>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> >>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>> Agile
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <
> luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> >>>>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >>>>>>
> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> >>>>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
> >> %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> >>>>>>
> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> >>>>>>
> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> >>>>>>
> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> >>>>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
> >> http://www.tropicalminds.com
> >>>>>> />
> >>>>>> 941 580-1577
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Sep 11 21:13:03 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:13:03 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
Message-ID: <E1qfrxf-00E6lI-Of@s152.servername.online>

My advice would be to rent a U-Haul pickup truck and tow with that.  They're big, and can handle the tow easily (from personal experience).

--Peter

> On 2023-09-11, at 18:20:35 EDT, Luis Guzman wrote:
>
> I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any equipment 
> from the inside. 
> 
> I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
> 
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> <a href="http://www.TropicalMinds.com">http://www.TropicalMinds.com</a> 941 
> 580-1577 
> 
> 


From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 21:18:35 2023
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 01:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <950833508.104039.1694481515275@mail.yahoo.com>

Luis,
Greetings to you in Sarasota ! I wouldn't risk it, my friend. Did you ever find another squirrel?
Best to you,
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM, Luis Guzman<luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> wrote:   I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.

The trailer is a one axle triad.

Thanks for your help.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

  

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 06:21:11 2023
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT4pteQrn2=eCegQu0tzf_uRtBGXJpFugYsKwLXZdPjp2w@mail.gmail.com>
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But you can rent a Ford 150 for a day from U-Haul or other sites and not
worry about the Honda

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:54?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do a test drive to see how it handles. Pick highways where you an keep the
> speed down. Make sure you have adequate tongue weight That should give you
> a good idea of how it will handle. Buying a new car to go 60 miles on flat
> terrain with a lightly loaded boat seems discouraging to me.
> Graham
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I removed the engine, centerboard, and rudder, and will remove any
> > equipment from the inside.
> >
> > I?m going to be towing it around 60 miles in Florida?s flat terrain
> >
> > Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > 941 580-1577
> >
> > > On 11 Sep 2023, at 16:12, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you should be alright towing with the Honda for easy shorter
> > trips.
> > > If you plan to tow a heavily loaded boat long distances through hilly
> > > terrain it might be inadequate. I?m no expert. Just someone who towed
> > short
> > > distances with a Pilot.
> > > Graham
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I?m sorry, here is the towing capacity according to Honda:
> > >>
> > >> Towing Capacity (lbs., 2WD / 4WD) 3500 / 4500t
> > >>
> > >> Mine is a 2006 Honda Pilot EX-L with 2 wheel drive.
> > >>
> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > >> 941 580-1577
> > >>
> > >>> On 11 Sep 2023, at 15:06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It varies by the configuration of the Honda Pilot. Review the
> following
> > >>> link:
> > >>> https://towstats.com/honda-pilot-towing-capacity/
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > >> Lowe,
> > >>> Rob
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 4:32 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> > >>>
> > >>> I think the Pilot might be able to handle 5,000 pounds.  It about the
> > >> same
> > >>> build as my Ridgeline, which will handle 5,000 pounds.  Maybe the tow
> > >> rig is
> > >>> not as robust as the one on my truck.
> > >>>
> > >>> Rob
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > >> Graham
> > >>> Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 3:46 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
> > >>>
> > >>> Are you sure that the towing capacity is only 2300 lbs? My Pilot had
> > >> double
> > >>> that capacity and was able to handle the boat comfortably.
> > >>> Graham Stewart
> > >>> Agile
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:27 PM Luis Guzman <
> luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex
> > >>>> which has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The trailer is a one axle triad.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks for your help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >>>>
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
> > >>>> ropicalminds.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu
> > %7Ca2c88a69cb8b4d9b37
> > >>>>
> 9708dbb2ffe139%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C6383005842
> > >>>>
> 95585251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
> > >>>>
> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2B8otpAEEyxdI4Uhk
> > >>>> Kr4XTORutQhB8o6h2329i0Bi764%3D&reserved=0<
> > http://www.tropicalminds.com
> > >>>> />
> > >>>> 941 580-1577
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 17:19:53 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 16:19:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Towing
In-Reply-To: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
References: <C8676696-6E10-45A1-9665-06EFBA3B6B02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWtubUZm=sxGS5pyzS-PAYvP_pRzw3opL2GKVrTwBvs8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Luis,
If your rig can tow 5,000 lbs then no problem. I had a ?96 6 cylinder
pickup with a tow limit of 5,000 lbs. I towed Enosis from Baltimore to
Oregon, twice from Oregon to Mexico (Guymas) and 4 times to Canada and
PNW.  In between, up and down the Cascades. Never had a problem with tires
or breaks, though I converted to electric breaks after the first crossing
of the Rockies.

Chris Geankoplis
Xenos

P.S.  Glad to see you still a Rhodie.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 2:27 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m wondering if I can tow my 1983 Rhodes 22 using a Honda Pilot Ex which
> has a towing capacity of 2300 lbs.
>
> The trailer is a one axle triad.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
>

From davidmberg at mac.com  Tue Sep 12 17:32:20 2023
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 16:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <99D4D4AC-53B8-4EAB-A345-1AF983451BC0@yahoo.com>
References: <46C0ACE2-FC73-40AA-95B5-DAFA6F5D2C4A@aol.com>
 <99D4D4AC-53B8-4EAB-A345-1AF983451BC0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101d9e5c0$9d039700$d70ac500$@mac.com>

This past summer I towed my 2003 single-axle Triad trailer 220 miles each way from Minnie up to Lake Vermillion near Tower MN. I wasn't petrified until I blew (exploded and destroyed) a tire on the way home on the 4 lane going 65 mph. 

I have since replaced the Carlisle Load range D with Goodyear Endurance Load Range E. From my first (limited) experience these seem like much better tires.

The boat and trailer weighed in at 3880 lbs on the CAT scale at the truck stop. It tows pretty nicely with my 2022 Telluride. Got to make sure there's enough tongue weight. It was hard to get the boat all the way onto the trailer due to low water at the launch, but I took off the outboard and moved it to inside the boat. That helped.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis, MN

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 1:24 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble

I?m the same, single axle trailer with no brakes came with the ?86 R22 I bought in St Pete in 2020 - towed it 45 minutes to small lake (Keystone)  I?m on, but got a flat with only 5 miles left to go, spare barely held air had to inflate it a lot, after I arrived I replaced the wheels & tires & spare. Haven?t taken it anywhere since, it stays in the lake tied to my small boathouse dock, use it just for haul-out maintenance, but it really didn?t tow that badly behind Mercedes GLE 350. Can?t go CT to ME like Peter - maybe 1hr distance would be okay? 
  
  
Larry
  
Keystone Lake
  
Odessa FL

> On Sep 10, 2023, at 8:06 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Good luck Peter with the rebuilt.  I am personally petrified to take my single axle trailer on the highways. I?m sorry I didn?t get the double axle and your story reinforces that. 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?When I bought the new trailer and recycled boat from GB in 2016, I believe the trailer was around $6000.  That was with drum brakes, which had to be replaced after a couple of years of salt water dunking.
>> 
>> All the new stuff on the rebuilt trailer is, of course, much higher 
>> quality than the original equipment.  If you don't believe me, just 
>> ask the guy I paid the $7000 to :)
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>>> On 2023-09-10, at 16:22:32 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 



From thyatt at mica.edu  Tue Sep 12 18:22:01 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 18:22:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount questions(s)
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2KQzmNe_-CCmicUoDdFBfrHO_tAdQdXGJxL3Ud9=jPO0Q@mail.gmail.com>

The R22 I bought in July came with a dysfunctional motor mount. The gas
cylinder requires my full body weight (standing on it!) to lower it down to
the working height. So I am planning to replace the motor mount with
something spring-loaded.

Two questions:

As you can see in the picture, the previous owner had a supplemental mount
device mounted on the transom which the motor mount was then attached to.
What could be the purpose of this and do I need it ? It seems to throw the
attached mount at a more raked angle than bolting a mount directly to the
transom. Should I discard this and just secure my new mount to the transom?
I have a 6 HP 25" Tohatsu Sailpro that I am mounting.

Does anyone have experience with a gas cylinder mount? Can you reduce
pressure within it to somehow make it easier to depress and lift it? I am
about to toss it but didn;t want to do that until I was sure it was
unusable.

Thanks as always for your help.

Tom
S/V Eliza Jane
Baltimore
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 12 20:17:30 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
In-Reply-To: <004101d9e5c0$9d039700$d70ac500$@mac.com>
References: <004101d9e5c0$9d039700$d70ac500$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <76156125-1971-4D0B-B058-13E05C2F53EF@yahoo.com>

I?m starting to think everyone on this list has had a blowout at some point!  David, does your trailer have brakes?  I?m wondering if others on this list have single-axle trailers with no brakes like mine. 
  
Larry

> On Sep 12, 2023, at 5:32 PM, DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This past summer I towed my 2003 single-axle Triad trailer 220 miles each way from Minnie up to Lake Vermillion near Tower MN. I wasn't petrified until I blew (exploded and destroyed) a tire on the way home on the 4 lane going 65 mph. 
> 
> I have since replaced the Carlisle Load range D with Goodyear Endurance Load Range E. From my first (limited) experience these seem like much better tires.
> 
> The boat and trailer weighed in at 3880 lbs on the CAT scale at the truck stop. It tows pretty nicely with my 2022 Telluride. Got to make sure there's enough tongue weight. It was hard to get the boat all the way onto the trailer due to low water at the launch, but I took off the outboard and moved it to inside the boat. That helped.
> 
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 1:24 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Trouble
> 
> I?m the same, single axle trailer with no brakes came with the ?86 R22 I bought in St Pete in 2020 - towed it 45 minutes to small lake (Keystone)  I?m on, but got a flat with only 5 miles left to go, spare barely held air had to inflate it a lot, after I arrived I replaced the wheels & tires & spare. Haven?t taken it anywhere since, it stays in the lake tied to my small boathouse dock, use it just for haul-out maintenance, but it really didn?t tow that badly behind Mercedes GLE 350. Can?t go CT to ME like Peter - maybe 1hr distance would be okay? 
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> Keystone Lake
> 
> Odessa FL
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 8:06 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Good luck Peter with the rebuilt.  I am personally petrified to take my single axle trailer on the highways. I?m sorry I didn?t get the double axle and your story reinforces that. 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?When I bought the new trailer and recycled boat from GB in 2016, I believe the trailer was around $6000.  That was with drum brakes, which had to be replaced after a couple of years of salt water dunking.
>>> 
>>> All the new stuff on the rebuilt trailer is, of course, much higher 
>>> quality than the original equipment.  If you don't believe me, just 
>>> ask the guy I paid the $7000 to :)
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>>>> On 2023-09-10, at 16:22:32 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, what does a new double axle trailer cost?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 23:29:04 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 22:29:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount questions(s)
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2KQzmNe_-CCmicUoDdFBfrHO_tAdQdXGJxL3Ud9=jPO0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2KQzmNe_-CCmicUoDdFBfrHO_tAdQdXGJxL3Ud9=jPO0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU6uZGYAMuEs2VT9Z=v7mMV9w51fMtCwYrVkKgBBDnQGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Tom,
I had the same set up on my 1983 Rhodes. With a 90# motor it would go down
with not too much additional pressure. I think there are some springs
associated with the system and you might try removing a couple. I can?t
recall anything about adjusting the cylinder.

Chris Geankoplis
Xenos

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:22 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> The R22 I bought in July came with a dysfunctional motor mount. The gas
> cylinder requires my full body weight (standing on it!) to lower it down to
> the working height. So I am planning to replace the motor mount with
> something spring-loaded.
>
> Two questions:
>
> As you can see in the picture, the previous owner had a supplemental mount
> device mounted on the transom which the motor mount was then attached to.
> What could be the purpose of this and do I need it ? It seems to throw the
> attached mount at a more raked angle than bolting a mount directly to the
> transom. Should I discard this and just secure my new mount to the transom?
> I have a 6 HP 25" Tohatsu Sailpro that I am mounting.
>
> Does anyone have experience with a gas cylinder mount? Can you reduce
> pressure within it to somehow make it easier to depress and lift it? I am
> about to toss it but didn;t want to do that until I was sure it was
> unusable.
>
> Thanks as always for your help.
>
> Tom
> S/V Eliza Jane
> Baltimore
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From thyatt at mica.edu  Wed Sep 13 18:13:10 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 18:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking at
a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail wraps
well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line can
be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just catches
if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
it.

If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane '78
Baltimore
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Sep 13 20:35:48 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 20:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C180B67-CF95-4E34-A951-CF7872E8E418@aol.com>

CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (  jgrouette at sailcdi.com) I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail from Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.  paul at doylesails.nyc

Both parties were very helpful 

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking at
> a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail wraps
> well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line can
> be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just catches
> if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
> it.
> 
> If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
> buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane '78
> Baltimore
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From thyatt at mica.edu  Wed Sep 13 21:32:21 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:32:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <4C180B67-CF95-4E34-A951-CF7872E8E418@aol.com>
References: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C180B67-CF95-4E34-A951-CF7872E8E418@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info. That's very helpful.

Tom

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:36?PM THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:

> CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (  jgrouette at sailcdi.com)
> I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail from
> Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.  paul at doylesails.nyc
>
> Both parties were very helpful
>
> > On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking
> at
> > a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail
> wraps
> > well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line
> can
> > be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just
> catches
> > if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
> > it.
> >
> > If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
> > buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane '78
> > Baltimore
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From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 22:43:37 2023
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 22:43:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C180B67-CF95-4E34-A951-CF7872E8E418@aol.com>
 <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJK53dJKT3DRtXXT=dtpDweZ8H8bJ4k5HCdRqvZ2=Rq3TFtaQg@mail.gmail.com>

Tom I have a Doyle 135 in good condition I?m looking to sell
David Talbot
Talbotdavid50 at gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 9:32 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the info. That's very helpful.
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:36?PM THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (  jgrouette at sailcdi.com
> )
> > I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail from
> > Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.  paul at doylesails.nyc
> >
> > Both parties were very helpful
> >
> > > On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably
> looking
> > at
> > > a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail
> > wraps
> > > well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line
> > can
> > > be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just
> > catches
> > > if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner
> used
> > > it.
> > >
> > > If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places
> to
> > > buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Tom Hyatt
> > > S/V Eliza Jane '78
> > > Baltimore
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> >
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 13 23:23:40 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 03:23:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
References: <1929656581.1110467.1694661820513.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1929656581.1110467.1694661820513@mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Tom,? ?I'm a new Rhodes owner and my furler looks much like yours.? I don't have much experience with different furlers, but mine works reasonably well, so I'm curious to know what's hanging up on yours.? Are you running your furling line through the fairlead on deck?? What is the line catching on?
Peter'86 Rhodes


> On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking at
> a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail wraps
> well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line can
> be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just catches
> if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
> it.
> 
> If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
> buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane '78
> Baltimore

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 06:24:19 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 06:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <CAJK53dJKT3DRtXXT=dtpDweZ8H8bJ4k5HCdRqvZ2=Rq3TFtaQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2K4Q-p5DhTK9NdpV7Sik-gBGgjPu-4Pwq2FYcHUU1AeTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C180B67-CF95-4E34-A951-CF7872E8E418@aol.com>
 <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMMc_-o9ZwiD96N=CZsUYA0VaxukStsK1psPDE3f9Q45uA@mail.gmail.com>

David, what is the condition of your 135, and how much do you want for it?

Todd T.
tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:43 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom I have a Doyle 135 in good condition I?m looking to sell
> David Talbot
> Talbotdavid50 at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 9:32 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info. That's very helpful.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:36?PM THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (
> jgrouette at sailcdi.com
> > )
> > > I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail
> from
> > > Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.  paul at doylesails.nyc
> > >
> > > Both parties were very helpful
> > >
> > > > On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably
> > looking
> > > at
> > > > a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail
> > > wraps
> > > > well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling
> line
> > > can
> > > > be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just
> > > catches
> > > > if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner
> > used
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it.
> Places
> > to
> > > > buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hyatt
> > > > S/V Eliza Jane '78
> > > > Baltimore
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Sep 14 08:00:50 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:00:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98C678FD-4890-41D9-AD0D-D7A42FC2B305@stottarchitecture.com>

Yep, that?s it and technically, that?s all you need.  I have been using the same system on my boat since my Dad  bought it In 1889 used. I would buy a CDI ( least expensive) or similar if it was highest priority of projects but it?s not. Once purchased and installed you will need to  have your foresail luff modified with a bolt rope to be able to hoist it. 
The old system works. There is potential that the furling line takes a wrap around the tube underneath the aluminum plate which requires a trip to the bow , always at the most inappropriate times.  
A CDI furler will allow you to change head sails. The original does not.  
As for the 135% v the big dude***
I like my big Genny. I often use it without the main if downwind in enough breeze. I learned to use it in all conditions, including 20+ kts. 
But I would/ will upgrade it all when I can. Moving this morning to Safe Harbor. Off the mooring on Shinnecock Bay to Old Fort pond as Hurricane Lee will pass by to close for comfort in the next two days.  
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays
Ny 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 9:32 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the info. That's very helpful.
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:36?PM THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (  jgrouette at sailcdi.com)
>> I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail from
>> Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.  paul at doylesails.nyc
>> 
>> Both parties were very helpful
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking
>> at
>>> a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail
>> wraps
>>> well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line
>> can
>>> be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just
>> catches
>>> if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
>>> buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> S/V Eliza Jane '78
>>> Baltimore
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>>> 
>> 
>> 

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 14 10:23:51 2023
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:23:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying Sails
In-Reply-To: <98C678FD-4890-41D9-AD0D-D7A42FC2B305@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CAEhtY2L2ihNdKX7YH5YpxHm6qxhdkARV5UaKOHHByy39P+HGpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <98C678FD-4890-41D9-AD0D-D7A42FC2B305@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <1736861669.1536538.1694701431132@mail.yahoo.com>

Ric,
Excellent. Was the boat an R21, you say 1889.....
Hmmmmm.
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 8:01 AM, Ric Stott<ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:   Yep, that?s it and technically, that?s all you need.? I have been using the same system on my boat since my Dad? bought it In 1889 used. I would buy a CDI ( least expensive) or similar if it was highest priority of projects but it?s not. Once purchased and installed you will need to? have your foresail luff modified with a bolt rope to be able to hoist it. 
The old system works. There is potential that the furling line takes a wrap around the tube underneath the aluminum plate which requires a trip to the bow , always at the most inappropriate times.? 
A CDI furler will allow you to change head sails. The original does not.? 
As for the 135% v the big dude***
I like my big Genny. I often use it without the main if downwind in enough breeze. I learned to use it in all conditions, including 20+ kts. 
But I would/ will upgrade it all when I can. Moving this morning to Safe Harbor. Off the mooring on Shinnecock Bay to Old Fort pond as Hurricane Lee will pass by to close for comfort in the next two days.? 
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays
Ny 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 9:32 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the info. That's very helpful.
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:36?PM THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> CDI roller furler has the specs fo a Rhodes 22. (? jgrouette at sailcdi.com)
>> I recently refurbished mine, and I recently purchase a 135 headsail from
>> Doyle sails and I?m very happy with that size.? paul at doylesails.nyc
>> 
>> Both parties were very helpful
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I'm in the market for a foresail and a furling system. Probably looking
>> at
>>> a 125% Genoa. The forestay presently on the boat rotates and the sail
>> wraps
>>> well around it but there is no canister/reel onto which a furling line
>> can
>>> be wrapped. The line wraps around the end of the forestay and just
>> catches
>>> if you try to roll the sail in. I have no idea how the former owner used
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you have any suggestions or advice, I would love to hear it. Places to
>>> buy sails, DIY furling systems, etc.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> S/V Eliza Jane '78
>>> Baltimore
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From jayf401 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 20:58:26 2023
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 20:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket
Message-ID: <520CBF92-8389-4500-9158-9E2897E1AFED@gmail.com>

My ladder hinge bracket, ?97 vintage beige ABS, pulled out. Getting a new milled ABS piece is not an immediate option as my boat is out of the water for a couple days for a new gps and outboard, then back in. A 2? 1/4x20 machine screw held it in from the factory, and I?m wondering if the best option is to go up one size machine screw to 5/16? tapped in. I believe there?s enough meat to securely hold it, plus a fender washer behind it. Any loctite like #242 blue recommended? Not finding much information on this online.

Jay Friedland
?97 S/V Wanderlust


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 20:58:26 2023
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 20:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket
Message-ID: <520CBF92-8389-4500-9158-9E2897E1AFED@gmail.com>

My ladder hinge bracket, ?97 vintage beige ABS, pulled out. Getting a new milled ABS piece is not an immediate option as my boat is out of the water for a couple days for a new gps and outboard, then back in. A 2? 1/4x20 machine screw held it in from the factory, and I?m wondering if the best option is to go up one size machine screw to 5/16? tapped in. I believe there?s enough meat to securely hold it, plus a fender washer behind it. Any loctite like #242 blue recommended? Not finding much information on this online.

Jay Friedland
?97 S/V Wanderlust


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 22:08:34 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:08:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket
In-Reply-To: <520CBF92-8389-4500-9158-9E2897E1AFED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6503bca3.0c0a0220.e5033.4328@mx.google.com>

Some is good, more is better.? A machine screw doesn't bite because it should have a washer/lock washer and nut to secure the work. Are you thinking of a sheet metal or tap screw?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> Date: 9/14/23  8:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket My ladder hinge bracket, ?97 vintage beige ABS, pulled out. Getting a new milled ABS piece is not an immediate option as my boat is out of the water for a couple days for a new gps and outboard, then back in. A 2? 1/4x20 machine screw held it in from the factory, and I?m wondering if the best option is to go up one size machine screw to 5/16? tapped in. I believe there?s enough meat to securely hold it, plus a fender washer behind it. Any loctite like #242 blue recommended? Not finding much information on this online.Jay Friedland?97 S/V Wanderlust

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 22:38:39 2023
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:38:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket
In-Reply-To: <6503bca3.0c0a0220.e5033.4328@mx.google.com>
References: <6503bca3.0c0a0220.e5033.4328@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <40E67E4B-BCB9-46D9-B74E-82C1EC1E7A43@gmail.com>

Joe,
Machine screws (2? 1/4x20?s) are what the factory used and lasted these 26 years. More than anything, they simply corroded and one pulled out. 
So with more bite of the larger screw size, I feel I should go this way. I don?t disagree that nut and bolt is even more secure, but then I?d have to remove, drill the others holding up relaunching. Out of season, I may make it bullet-proof, nut & bolt (with the fender washer behind). I appreciate your response.

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 10:08 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Some is good, more is better.  A machine screw doesn't bite because it should have a washer/lock washer and nut to secure the work. Are you thinking of a sheet metal or tap screw?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> Date: 9/14/23  8:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reattach ladder bracket My ladder hinge bracket, ?97 vintage beige ABS, pulled out. Getting a new milled ABS piece is not an immediate option as my boat is out of the water for a couple days for a new gps and outboard, then back in. A 2? 1/4x20 machine screw held it in from the factory, and I?m wondering if the best option is to go up one size machine screw to 5/16? tapped in. I believe there?s enough meat to securely hold it, plus a fender washer behind it. Any loctite like #242 blue recommended? Not finding much information on this online.Jay Friedland?97 S/V Wanderlust


From hankstein at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 03:45:21 2023
From: hankstein at aol.com (hankstein at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 07:45:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler advice appreciated
References: <137111635.1973353.1694763921733.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <137111635.1973353.1694763921733@mail.yahoo.com>

I finally launched my new to me 1993 R-22.
I could not get the main to roller furl back into the mast.? purposely took the boat out on a fairly light day to test things out -? I always single hand so it was a problem...? seemed jammed to me -? finally got the sail to furl when I was almost back to the ramp up the Huron River here in Ohio.? (yikes)?
I suspect that perhaps I rolled the sail out too fast and maybe the furling line was "cattywompus" inside the mast .. (I did not keep tension on the furling line)? bunched up maybe ?? or maybe the rig is not tuned well (it wasn't) since I always did fear that ANY mast bend might jam the in mast furler.? ?I am not sure what I did wrong..? This winter I intend to remove the sail for some sail work so will have an opportunity to check the furling unit.
Any suggestions on what to do is very appreciated.This would be both scary and disastrous if I needed to furl in an approaching storm.
thanks..? ?Hank? ? ? Muireann? 1993? R-22? ? ? ?Huron, Ohio

727 324 8628

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 10:30:09 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:30:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler advice appreciated
In-Reply-To: <137111635.1973353.1694763921733@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <137111635.1973353.1694763921733.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <137111635.1973353.1694763921733@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWDYigBBZ3vX55vtPCrtr6QSxcNgJRq2gPb-c42jS1P=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Hank,
Sorry to hear about your trials. Your analysis is spot on I think. Ive been
sailing Rhodes for almost 50 years and letting the furling line  whip into
the mast on an un restricted deployment will often result in what you
described. If you can manage in calm wind,  try to raise the mast, tune the
rigging ( lots of threads in the archives on this) and then orient the boat
on the trailer so you have ?port tack?. Try deploying the main slowly with
some tension on the furling line.  The boom should be on your stb qtr with
the out haul slightly lower than the gooseneck. Hopefully this will confirm
your analysis. Furl and deploy until until  it seems comfortable and
natural. Watch closely to see that the problem was not in the mechanism
itself. The only other problem I ever had in all these years was the strap
at the head of the sail became detached and the sail sagged down. Not good
when you are several miles offshore in Mexico. But because of the
simplicity of the system, like you, I got it furled.  Uh the system was
simple, not you Hank. Grin. Anyway, welcome to the club and I?m sure there
are several other Rhodies who can add their thoughts for a solution.

Chris Geankoplis
Xenos

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 2:45 AM hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I finally launched my new to me 1993 R-22.
> I could not get the main to roller furl back into the mast.  purposely
> took the boat out on a fairly light day to test things out -  I always
> single hand so it was a problem...  seemed jammed to me -  finally got the
> sail to furl when I was almost back to the ramp up the Huron River here in
> Ohio.  (yikes)
> I suspect that perhaps I rolled the sail out too fast and maybe the
> furling line was "cattywompus" inside the mast .. (I did not keep tension
> on the furling line)  bunched up maybe ?  or maybe the rig is not tuned
> well (it wasn't) since I always did fear that ANY mast bend might jam the
> in mast furler.   I am not sure what I did wrong..  This winter I intend to
> remove the sail for some sail work so will have an opportunity to check the
> furling unit.
> Any suggestions on what to do is very appreciated.This would be both scary
> and disastrous if I needed to furl in an approaching storm.
> thanks..   Hank      Muireann  1993  R-22       Huron, Ohio
>
> 727 324 8628
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 12:08:26 2023
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] in mast furler advice appreciated
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWDYigBBZ3vX55vtPCrtr6QSxcNgJRq2gPb-c42jS1P=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWDYigBBZ3vX55vtPCrtr6QSxcNgJRq2gPb-c42jS1P=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74FBDA47-7A89-4874-B03C-C643A29A5EDA@aol.com>

I?ve also had difficulty when the mainsheet is inadvertently pulled tight.  The boom should be level or slightly elevated to avoid a tight leech when furling. 

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Hank,
> Sorry to hear about your trials. Your analysis is spot on I think. Ive been
> sailing Rhodes for almost 50 years and letting the furling line  whip into
> the mast on an un restricted deployment will often result in what you
> described. If you can manage in calm wind,  try to raise the mast, tune the
> rigging ( lots of threads in the archives on this) and then orient the boat
> on the trailer so you have ?port tack?. Try deploying the main slowly with
> some tension on the furling line.  The boom should be on your stb qtr with
> the out haul slightly lower than the gooseneck. Hopefully this will confirm
> your analysis. Furl and deploy until until  it seems comfortable and
> natural. Watch closely to see that the problem was not in the mechanism
> itself. The only other problem I ever had in all these years was the strap
> at the head of the sail became detached and the sail sagged down. Not good
> when you are several miles offshore in Mexico. But because of the
> simplicity of the system, like you, I got it furled.  Uh the system was
> simple, not you Hank. Grin. Anyway, welcome to the club and I?m sure there
> are several other Rhodies who can add their thoughts for a solution.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Xenos
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 2:45 AM hankstein--- via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I finally launched my new to me 1993 R-22.
>> I could not get the main to roller furl back into the mast.  purposely
>> took the boat out on a fairly light day to test things out -  I always
>> single hand so it was a problem...  seemed jammed to me -  finally got the
>> sail to furl when I was almost back to the ramp up the Huron River here in
>> Ohio.  (yikes)
>> I suspect that perhaps I rolled the sail out too fast and maybe the
>> furling line was "cattywompus" inside the mast .. (I did not keep tension
>> on the furling line)  bunched up maybe ?  or maybe the rig is not tuned
>> well (it wasn't) since I always did fear that ANY mast bend might jam the
>> in mast furler.   I am not sure what I did wrong..  This winter I intend to
>> remove the sail for some sail work so will have an opportunity to check the
>> furling unit.
>> Any suggestions on what to do is very appreciated.This would be both scary
>> and disastrous if I needed to furl in an approaching storm.
>> thanks..   Hank      Muireann  1993  R-22       Huron, Ohio
>> 
>> 727 324 8628
>> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 12:44:32 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:44:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Man Over Board
Message-ID: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>

While not really Rhodes 22 related, but about sailing. I watched a very
informative video about MOB drills and real life scenarios, which I would
like to share with the group. It shouldn't violate the charter.

I don't know if the video link will be stripped out of the email or not, or
if anyone would be interested, but I will try to include the link.

https://youtu.be/icVqfJ6meEE?si=UHXXyu7ScyiTSvA6

Todd T.

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 14:50:11 2023
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:50:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Man Over Board
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A6B81B2-2B12-4BFF-AF4E-99D449F30423@gmail.com>

Very interesting and eye opening. Thanks for sharing!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?While not really Rhodes 22 related, but about sailing. I watched a very
> informative video about MOB drills and real life scenarios, which I would
> like to share with the group. It shouldn't violate the charter.
> 
> I don't know if the video link will be stripped out of the email or not, or
> if anyone would be interested, but I will try to include the link.
> 
> https://youtu.be/icVqfJ6meEE?si=UHXXyu7ScyiTSvA6
> 
> Todd T.

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 23:16:19 2023
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:16:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Man Over Board
In-Reply-To: <6A6B81B2-2B12-4BFF-AF4E-99D449F30423@gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <6A6B81B2-2B12-4BFF-AF4E-99D449F30423@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUNgTt8kC6Mez0L3HjG_Qk9OseL342DvtA6Kxnm1xTF-w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, important info there.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:50 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Very interesting and eye opening. Thanks for sharing!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?While not really Rhodes 22 related, but about sailing. I watched a very
> > informative video about MOB drills and real life scenarios, which I would
> > like to share with the group. It shouldn't violate the charter.
> >
> > I don't know if the video link will be stripped out of the email or not,
> or
> > if anyone would be interested, but I will try to include the link.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/icVqfJ6meEE?si=UHXXyu7ScyiTSvA6
> >
> > Todd T.
>

From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 14:21:50 2023
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 14:21:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Man Over Board
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUNgTt8kC6Mez0L3HjG_Qk9OseL342DvtA6Kxnm1xTF-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <6A6B81B2-2B12-4BFF-AF4E-99D449F30423@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiUNgTt8kC6Mez0L3HjG_Qk9OseL342DvtA6Kxnm1xTF-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJK53dKnQeU0cY038Biuv18Yz8LFtL2ZseEY4yDNat=Z3v9AYQ@mail.gmail.com>

excellent video
Highlights so many complexities, such as from-the stern rescue risks and
others
well worth watching, and will definitely get your attention.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 11:16?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, important info there.
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:50 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Very interesting and eye opening. Thanks for sharing!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?While not really Rhodes 22 related, but about sailing. I watched a
> very
> > > informative video about MOB drills and real life scenarios, which I
> would
> > > like to share with the group. It shouldn't violate the charter.
> > >
> > > I don't know if the video link will be stripped out of the email or
> not,
> > or
> > > if anyone would be interested, but I will try to include the link.
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/icVqfJ6meEE?si=UHXXyu7ScyiTSvA6
> > >
> > > Todd T.
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 11:04:40 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 11:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine Tiller Pilot problems
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMeSe=_QvU41njfbuOzTScyxOF1QecDHSqwGFE03ViXBg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

This is copied and pasted from a Facebook post. It contains two YouTube
links that may not come through, but you should be able to copy and paste
them into your browser if not.
It is from the page SV Thank You George, if you want to search for the page
on Facebook to get more information.

It addresses problems encountered with the ram travel stops on the
Raymarine ST 1000/2000 models. The rams hit the travel stops pretty hard
which leads to damage.  I do not personally own one of these units, but
since so many members do, I wanted to share this article/post.

Copied:
Here are some notes on my installation of Dennis Meulensteen's fabulous
fix.

First, the problem is that the Raymarine ST1000/2000 apparently has a
design 'deficiency'. Somehow it doesn't contain discrete sensors to tell
itself when the ram (the arm that pushes/pulls on the tiller to steer the
boat) reaches the extreme end of its extension or retraction. This ram,
rams into the end of its rail track inside. That's how it stops itself.
Bang. Those ends do have a rubber gasket pad. But the effect is still very
physical - you can feel it when you hold the unit in your hands. The owners
manual in fact states that the "drive unit thrust torque" is 125lbs (57kg)!

I was wondering how the Raymarine 'knows' when it does get to the end of
its ram's run (to pause the motor and hold it in pause while it reverses
the polarity of the current going to the motor in preparation for the next
actuation.) I know next to nothing about electricity and circuitry (as you
will read) but I'm imaging that the the motor, when the ram rams into
itself, either experiences an amperage spike or something in the current
gets back to the brains in the processor.

However this is, owners' Raymarine ST1000s have been 'wearing out'. It
looks like either the belts or gears that make up the drive mechanism strip
or break free from the repeated trauma. I guess it also can't be good on
motor longevity.

So, Dennis Meulensteen has put a lot of work on coming up with a fix that I
understand is based on Gary Malm's pioneering efforts on this.

Dennis Meulensteen
https://youtu.be/qt5CePdEEX0?si=4X7i-5wOSo1hHRMG

Gary Malm
https://youtu.be/z18CR3eBDCE?si=fyRKOdRbpjk6xTPr

So, I followed Dennis's instruction and within 2 days one of the
components, a 3D-printed part, was in my hands and the other bits from
Amazon arrived soon afterwards.

In disassembly, I noted that the ribbon cable from the compass unit really
is delicate - it was the one thing I felt most anxious about.

I searched for any wear, or worse, bending/fracturing of the end plates of
the internal track ram. Mine were fine but some folks' get really bashed up.

It's the little things. Had to drive across the city to 3 Ace Hardwares to
find the teeny machine screws/nuts (Amazon disappoints) that attach the
switches.

I proceeded to assemble the mechanism using a ballpoint pen spring (as
instructed). Except my spring sprung out repeatedly. Of course I snapped a
picture and messaged Dennis and spent a teaching day at the university
distractedly imagining how I'd have to glue in a fix or come up with a
different mechanism. When I got home I discovered I'd install the switch
upside down, so, I flipped it around, and it worked perfectly as Dennis
designed. It's actually one of the best parts to the thing - a switch that
elegantly tames a steel driven ram pushing at 125lbs, turning an internal
"bang" into a "click" with nobody getting hurt.

I also discovered how careful I needed to be with the wire switch actuation
arm. You bend it into shape manually following the prescribed measurements.
The first one I fabricated attached to the rail it ran on but after a few
tries, it fell off. I needed to make another one with a teeny bit more
grab-radius where it grips the rail.

Though not in the official instructions, I also ground out a little extra
clearance where the wire arm passes through. I also noticed that my wire
actuator arm passed very close to a bare lead of one of the diodes. So, I
threaded on a bit of black shrink tube insulation.

I'm really 'uninformed' when it comes to electronics. I have to repeat out
loud to my self that a 'closed' switch is one that actually passes a
current. I barely know what a diode is, never mind the cathode from the
anode and how those relate to current flow direction.

I assembled the whole mechanism and tested it using my bench power supply.
I attached power leads directly to the Raymarine's motor. I got the motor
to actuate the ram but, bang, it rammed into itself at the ends of its
stroke. Clearly my circuit was not working.

More photos and texting. I disassembled and tested each component with a
multimeter, for continuity and polarity of current. An utter mystery -
everything checked out. It was the story of my electrical life - nothing I
have ever disassembled to fix - going all the way back to the family
toaster when I was 7 - ever worked again.

Dunno how I realized. I'd excluded the full circuitry of the whole unit
(including the additional switches) by powering the motor directly. I moved
the 12v leads to attach to the 12v plug. Duh. Worked perfectly.

I hope this helps someone here.

Todd T.

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 06:10:08 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 06:10:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Man Over Board
In-Reply-To: <CAJK53dKnQeU0cY038Biuv18Yz8LFtL2ZseEY4yDNat=Z3v9AYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMO9Twj3c0V8CScKJ67a9BAs5Zhu1KOp1VXO1R9siM+k0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <6A6B81B2-2B12-4BFF-AF4E-99D449F30423@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiUNgTt8kC6Mez0L3HjG_Qk9OseL342DvtA6Kxnm1xTF-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJK53dKnQeU0cY038Biuv18Yz8LFtL2ZseEY4yDNat=Z3v9AYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBXBYXVf8JmXWMxgSYdzUvo=Sf=eiD3k2BsAkKmkZ3P2g@mail.gmail.com>

This was very enlightening. I single hand most of the time but I never
leave the slip without my PFD on. However, when I have someone else on
board I have been taking it off when I get to the short channel into our
marina when I'm returning. After seeing this video, I'll keep the PFD and
instruct my crew to do that as well on until the boat is tied up in the
slip.
Thanks for sharing this.
Bob
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 2:22?PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> excellent video
> Highlights so many complexities, such as from-the stern rescue risks and
> others
> well worth watching, and will definitely get your attention.
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 11:16?PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, important info there.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:50 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Very interesting and eye opening. Thanks for sharing!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Sep 16, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?While not really Rhodes 22 related, but about sailing. I watched a
> > very
> > > > informative video about MOB drills and real life scenarios, which I
> > would
> > > > like to share with the group. It shouldn't violate the charter.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if the video link will be stripped out of the email or
> > not,
> > > or
> > > > if anyone would be interested, but I will try to include the link.
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/icVqfJ6meEE?si=UHXXyu7ScyiTSvA6
> > > >
> > > > Todd T.
> > >
> >
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 06:19:07 2023
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone out there?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 06:30:42 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMO-Tt=JFPinPeeQ=bJS4S7_VyLQrA5STSs0WO6eG16E-A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone out there?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 07:08:00 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:08:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMO-Tt=JFPinPeeQ=bJS4S7_VyLQrA5STSs0WO6eG16E-A@mail.gmail.com>
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Radio check, loud and clear. Over.

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Yes

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone out there?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net<http://www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net>
> 732-236-1368
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 08:47:56 2023
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBAUkNop=Wm=g7WneFi=oWCR+mbt1kgzsCQf3rjtPJLUg@mail.gmail.com>

No
I didn?t get this email I?m responding to
Bob
Sail la Vie


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone out there?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Sep 29 08:49:15 2023
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:49:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBBAUkNop=Wm=g7WneFi=oWCR+mbt1kgzsCQf3rjtPJLUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBAUkNop=Wm=g7WneFi=oWCR+mbt1kgzsCQf3rjtPJLUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <860687763.4201234.1695991755952@mail.yahoo.com>

 yes were here.
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 08:48:12 AM EDT, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 No
I didn?t get this email I?m responding to
Bob
Sail la Vie


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone out there?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>
  

From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Sep 29 09:11:01 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:11:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <860687763.4201234.1695991755952@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmKRvzin-DLye5=qYx=79ZTbAYiw2iz6w49DaxD5ThyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBAUkNop=Wm=g7WneFi=oWCR+mbt1kgzsCQf3rjtPJLUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <860687763.4201234.1695991755952@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+1xMBqvcHSn=xFsPjn6poT_ZNKZWTdtG6C3Ojm6wVbBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 8:49?AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  yes were here.
>     On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 08:48:12 AM EDT, Bob Garrant <
> bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  No
> I didn?t get this email I?m responding to
> Bob
> Sail la Vie
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone out there?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Sep 29 09:44:18 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+1xMBqvcHSn=xFsPjn6poT_ZNKZWTdtG6C3Ojm6wVbBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+1xMBqvcHSn=xFsPjn6poT_ZNKZWTdtG6C3Ojm6wVbBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95F68D3A-2856-4F5C-A6F1-4EC531129103@verizon.net>

Received 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 8:49?AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> yes were here.
>>    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 08:48:12 AM EDT, Bob Garrant <
>> bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No
>> I didn?t get this email I?m responding to
>> Bob
>> Sail la Vie
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 6:20 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone out there?
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Jeff Smith
>>> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>>> 732-236-1368
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 10:03:23 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:03:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
References: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,? ?Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast approaching :-(.? As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).? My question for all you experienced Rhodies is:? can I safely hang a mast crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?? Are they robust enough for this load?? I assume they are ( but you know what happens when you assume).? What says the collective wisdom?? Note:? I only plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
Thanks all,? ? ?Peter

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Sep 29 10:32:52 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
In-Reply-To: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>

The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s simple , direct and easy. 
Ric
Dadventure 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> Thanks all,     Peter

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 12:03:07 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:03:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
In-Reply-To: <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <1934677633.559148.1696003387200@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks Ric,? ?I was planning to use packing -type straps to the stern rail to provide some lateral reinforcement.? I'm hoping to come up with a design that will fold into a relatively small package when not in use.? I will ponder your council and perhaps consider a different design.??
Peter
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:33:05 AM EDT, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:  
 
 The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s simple , direct and easy. 
Ric
Dadventure 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,? Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast approaching :-(.? As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).? My question for all you experienced Rhodies is:? can I safely hang a mast crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?? Are they robust enough for this load?? I assume they are ( but you know what happens when you assume).? What says the collective wisdom?? Note:? I only plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> Thanks all,? ? Peter
  

From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Sep 29 12:10:45 2023
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
In-Reply-To: <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+bBa+fq0tB5wjoG0_1ifpNNBvdJEOBpuR_3d0-KwSHSw@mail.gmail.com>

I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)

Tom Hyatt

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
> simple , direct and easy.
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> > Thanks all,     Peter
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Sep 29 15:42:53 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:42:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+bBa+fq0tB5wjoG0_1ifpNNBvdJEOBpuR_3d0-KwSHSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1732911717.519629.1695996203508@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0680A3E8-6E98-40B1-94CE-16120C682FB8@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CAEhtY2+bBa+fq0tB5wjoG0_1ifpNNBvdJEOBpuR_3d0-KwSHSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Peter,

Attached are 2 pictures of the Factory GBI mast crutch:

[cid:image002.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
Close-Up Of GBI Stern Mast Crutch

Note how the majority of the load is borne by the transom and not the rudder pintles.  I would not recommend using the rudder pintles in the way you are proposing.

I like the nice wide funneling scoop on the top of the GBI mast crutch.  It must be really nice when unstepping the mast.  I also like the starting height of the mast crutch when you begin the lift to step the mast.

[cid:image006.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
Rhodes 22 almost rigged for trailering with GBI stern mast crutch

About the only thing I don?t like about the GBI stern mast crutch is how much vertical clearance is required when going down the road.  Otherwise, it?s a great design!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 9:11 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?

I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)

Tom Hyatt

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
> simple , direct and easy.
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> > Thanks all,     Peter
>

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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 21:10:36 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
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Absolutely don't put that weight on the rudder pointless. When I first read the post I didn't conceive that it was the actual rudder pointless being referred to. The GBI system is ingenious taking advantage of the vertical compression strength
 of the transom. The guide lines provide the lateral security. You could probably visit Stan's yard and get one quite reasonably.


By the way, I have a set of "forks" for the GBI mast cradle if anyone is interested. $26.00 plus shipping.

Joe Dempsey?Trojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA






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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 3:42:53 PM
To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
?


Hi Peter,

Attached are 2 pictures of the Factory GBI mast crutch:

[cid:image002.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
Close-Up Of GBI Stern Mast Crutch

Note how the majority of the load is borne by the transom and not the rudder pintles.? I would not recommend using the rudder pintles in the way you are proposing.

I like the nice wide funneling scoop on the top of the GBI mast crutch.? It must be really nice when unstepping the mast.? I also like the starting height of the mast crutch when you begin the lift to step the mast.

[cid:image006.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
Rhodes 22 almost rigged for trailering with GBI stern mast crutch

About the only thing I don?t like about the GBI stern mast crutch is how much vertical clearance is required when going down the road.? Otherwise, it?s a great design!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 9:11 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?

I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)

Tom Hyatt

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
> simple , direct and easy.
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,?? Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
> approaching :-(.? As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).? My
> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:? can I safely hang a mast
> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?? Are
> they robust enough for this load?? I assume they are ( but you know what
> happens when you assume).? What says the collective wisdom?? Note:? I only
> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> > Thanks all,???? Peter
>

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From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 06:45:16 2023
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:45:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
Message-ID: <0E153956-7054-441D-9798-8D2D4D502858@gmail.com>

?Peter -
I agree with Roger and Joe.  You might want to consider Joe?s offer. Or contact Charles Gabriel and see if a mast-raising system or at least the crutch is available at GB.
Bob Cohen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 9:10 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?
> Absolutely don't put that weight on the rudder pointless. When I first read the post I didn't conceive that it was the actual rudder pointless being referred to. The GBI system is ingenious taking advantage of the vertical compression strength
> of the transom. The guide lines provide the lateral security. You could probably visit Stan's yard and get one quite reasonably.
> 
> 
> By the way, I have a set of "forks" for the GBI mast cradle if anyone is interested. $26.00 plus shipping.
> 
> Joe Dempsey Trojan 42 MYM/V VoyagerFormer Rhodes 22S/V RespiteDeltaville, VA
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> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 3:42:53 PM
> To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
>  
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Attached are 2 pictures of the Factory GBI mast crutch:
> 
> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
> Close-Up Of GBI Stern Mast Crutch
> 
> Note how the majority of the load is borne by the transom and not the rudder pintles.  I would not recommend using the rudder pintles in the way you are proposing.
> 
> I like the nice wide funneling scoop on the top of the GBI mast crutch.  It must be really nice when unstepping the mast.  I also like the starting height of the mast crutch when you begin the lift to step the mast.
> 
> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D9F2EC.43D9A140]
> Rhodes 22 almost rigged for trailering with GBI stern mast crutch
> 
> About the only thing I don?t like about the GBI stern mast crutch is how much vertical clearance is required when going down the road.  Otherwise, it?s a great design!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> From: Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 9:11 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
> 
> I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
> stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
> one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
> resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
> raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> 
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
>> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
>> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
>> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
>> simple , direct and easy.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
>> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
>> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
>> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
>> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
>> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
>> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
>> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
>> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
>> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
>>> Thanks all,     Peter
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 10:41:05 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:41:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
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Peter,

I am curious. How much does GB want for a mast raising system these days?

Todd T


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 10:03 AM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
> Thanks all,     Peter
>

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 11:31:45 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
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For both of my Rhodes I made x-shaped crutches from 2 2x3?s with a single bolt in the center and ground out in a U shape at the bottom so they slide into both sides of the stern rail where it attaches to the transom. U-bolts fasten it to the top of the stern rail.  U bolts near the top hold a 1 1/2? pvc pipe piece horizontally, and a bigger pvc piece slides over it to make a roller. I alwYs raise & lower my mast in the water - works fine. I?ll send pics if interested.  I should have bought Stan?s crutch but didn?t realize I needed it. 

Larry
2014 R22 Language of Love
Lake George NY


> On Sep 29, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
> stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
> one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
> resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
> raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
>> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
>> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
>> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
>> simple , direct and easy.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
>> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
>> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
>> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
>> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
>> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
>> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
>> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
>> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
>> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
>>> Thanks all,     Peter
>> 


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 17:13:38 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:13:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
In-Reply-To: <7933BDA7-5F4D-4AD1-A40C-168F9EEF8846@yahoo.com>
References: <7933BDA7-5F4D-4AD1-A40C-168F9EEF8846@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BBD7FFE1-660A-43EF-925E-0B5B93C0096C@yahoo.com>

Here?s a pic.  Note that I only use this for raising & lowering the mast, not for trailering.  
Also, my 1986 Rhodes in Tampa doesn?t have a gin pole so I wrap a line around the bow and tie it to form a loop, and use a chainfall hooked to the loop at the lower end and to the 2 usual forwardmost sidestays at the upper end, to raise and lower the mast. 

When raising, I first lift the mast to the crutch from the gunwale by myself standing on the after seat. Note that the 2x3s extend slightly above the roller to hold the mast in place before raising & after lowering. 

Larry
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> On Sep 30, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For both of my Rhodes I made x-shaped crutches from 2 2x3?s with a single bolt in the center and ground out in a U shape at the bottom so they slide into both sides of the stern rail where it attaches to the transom. U-bolts fasten it to the top of the stern rail.  U bolts near the top hold a 1 1/2? pvc pipe piece horizontally, and a bigger pvc piece slides over it to make a roller. I alwYs raise & lower my mast in the water - works fine. I?ll send pics if interested.  I should have bought Stan?s crutch but didn?t realize I needed it. 
> 
> Larry
> 2014 R22 Language of Love
> Lake George NY
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
>> stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
>> one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
>> resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
>> raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)
>> 
>> Tom Hyatt
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
>>> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
>>> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
>>> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
>>> simple , direct and easy.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
>>> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
>>> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
>>> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
>>> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
>>> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
>>> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
>>> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
>>> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
>>> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
>>>> Thanks all,     Peter
>>> 

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 18:30:09 2023
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
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A few specs & instructions - this for my 2014):

2x3s (2 needed): 84? length but cut to suit

U-bolts (4 needed): 

     1/4? u-bolt x 2? (outside width) 1 1/2? (inside width)  x 3 1/2? outside length 

PVC Pipe for roller:

- inner pipe 1? nominal schedule 40 (1 1/2? outside diameter fits inside width of u-bolt) - mine is 33? length but cut to suit

- outer roller pipe 2? nominal sched 40 - mine is 9.5? length but cut to suit

Build instructions:

- notch the 2x3 bottoms (for 2014.  My ?86 requires no notch as the 2x3s sit inside the transom, after end of seat)

- position 2x 3s and drill hole for bolt at center of X. This bolt stays fastened. 
- drill 5/16?  holes for u-bolts to clamp to stern rail. 

- mark location of u-bolts for roller. Don?t make too high as mast must be lifted up onto it.  Take down and drill 5/16? holes for u-bolts and install. These bolts stay fastened. 
  
Each time you use it:

-  slide 2x3s into place, bolt to stern rail and slide inner and outer pvc pipe pieces on. 

Larry

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Here?s a pic.  Note that I only use this for raising & lowering the mast, not for trailering.  
> Also, my 1986 Rhodes in Tampa doesn?t have a gin pole so I wrap a line around the bow and tie it to form a loop, and use a chainfall hooked to the loop at the lower end and to the 2 usual forwardmost sidestays at the upper end, to raise and lower the mast. 
> 
> When raising, I first lift the mast to the crutch from the gunwale by myself standing on the after seat. Note that the 2x3s extend slightly above the roller to hold the mast in place before raising & after lowering. 
> 
> Larry
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For both of my Rhodes I made x-shaped crutches from 2 2x3?s with a single bolt in the center and ground out in a U shape at the bottom so they slide into both sides of the stern rail where it attaches to the transom. U-bolts fasten it to the top of the stern rail.  U bolts near the top hold a 1 1/2? pvc pipe piece horizontally, and a bigger pvc piece slides over it to make a roller. I alwYs raise & lower my mast in the water - works fine. I?ll send pics if interested.  I should have bought Stan?s crutch but didn?t realize I needed it. 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 2014 R22 Language of Love
>> Lake George NY
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I made a crutch from 2x4s that I actually sit on the ground behind the
>>> stern and tie to the stern rail. It works well but does not sit as high as
>>> one sitting inside the cockpit. However, it is plenty sturdy and especially
>>> resists lateral movement. Of course, it's useless if you are lowering or
>>> raising your mast while your boat is in the water. :-)
>>> 
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 10:33?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The lintels can probably handle the compressive loads but without added
>>>> connections to the stern rail would most likely fail to handle the lateral
>>>> loads of the mast and sliding it forward and or aft. I would mount it on
>>>> the stern and lash it to the stern rail, the way GB designed it. It?s
>>>> simple , direct and easy.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:03 AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Hi All,   Sad to say that summer is over and winter haul-out is fast
>>>> approaching :-(.  As I contemplate lowering my mast for the first time, and
>>>> wishing to avoid a repeat of the experience in raising the mast (another
>>>> story) I am planning on building a mast crutch to simplify the process (my
>>>> boat did not come with the GB mast raising system or a crutch).  My
>>>> question for all you experienced Rhodies is:  can I safely hang a mast
>>>> crutch and the weight of mast/boom/furler assembly on the pintles?  Are
>>>> they robust enough for this load?  I assume they are ( but you know what
>>>> happens when you assume).  What says the collective wisdom?  Note:  I only
>>>> plan to use this for raising/lowering, not for trailering/storage.
>>>>> Thanks all,     Peter
>>>> 


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 22:35:16 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 02:35:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How robust are the pintles?
References: <1749200177.570237.1696127716746.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1749200177.570237.1696127716746@mail.yahoo.com>

Many thanks for the collective wisdom and to everyone who chimed in.? I will not be mounting the mast crutch on the pintles and will instead rig something to the transom or bench top.??? ?Thanks again
Peter