[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4546, Issue 1
Betty Friedman
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> 1. A Web Interface for ‘Da List’ (Peter Nyberg)
> 2. A Web Interface for ‘Da List’ (Peter Nyberg)
> 3. Re: A Web Interface for ‘Da List’ (Reuben Mezrich)
> 4. Re: A Web Interface for 'Da List' (Peter Nyberg)
> 5. Re: Some questions (Scott Andrews)
> 6. Re: A Web Interface for 'Da List' (Michael D. Weisner)
> 7. Re: Some questions (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 8. Re: Some questions (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 9. tap, tap, tap (Peter Nyberg)
> 10. Re: tap, tap, tap (Shawn Boles)
> 11. Re: tap, tap, tap (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 12. Re: tap, tap, tap (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
> 13. Re: Hatch to Cabin (PBR)
> 14. Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb (PBR)
> 15. Re: Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb (Michael D. Weisner)
> 16. Re: Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb (PBR)
> 17. Re: Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 18. Web Interface: How it works (Peter Nyberg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 15:20:49 -0400
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: A Web Interface for ‘Da List’
> Message-ID: <E1rrND7-00AoEr-2G at mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Back in 2021, I rewrote the website for rhodes22.org. No-one asked me to do this, but the 20 year old website was showing its age, and I enjoyed the challenge. There was little in the way of new technology involved, both the old and new websites were mostly static HTML web pages. When I was done, Mike Weisner, the rhodes22.org webmaster, was gracious enough to install the new web pages, and little has changed since.
>
> Not being willing to let well enough alone though, I kept working. I wrote web pages and programs that created a web interface for the Rhodes 22 email list (a.k.a. ?da list?). This work definitely did involve new technology. Implementing these changes on rhodes22.org would have required adding support for several new programming languages, and a database management system (DBMS).
>
> Mike said he would look into doing this, but it never happened. I don?t blame Mike for hesitating. It would be a lot of work to set up initially, and then the more complicated environment would have to be maintained going forward.
>
> So, for the last three years, I?ve been using this new functionality in my test workspace, and sometimes I?d forget that I?m the only person using this web interface to read and send messages. Then I got a new bee in my bonnet.
>
> I started a thread a few weeks ago regarding my concern about declining activity on the email list. The thread didn?t get a lot of traction, but that?s not enough to deter me. My hypothesis was that being only an email based discussion group may be limiting our appeal. No one seemed to agree, but then the only people who saw my message were people comfortable using an email list discussion group.
>
> But then it occurred to me that the web interface I?d developed could be deployed anywhere, it didn?t need to be on rhodes22.org.
>
> I found that the domain ?rhodes22.net' was available, so I bought that I then found a web hosting plan that had the technologies I needed, and installed the email list web interface there.
>
> My hope is that it will attract people who would not have participated in a community only available via email. Failing that, perhaps some members will find the web interface to be a useful alternative.
>
> Of course, there?s always the possibility that the whole thing will crash and burn the first time two people try to use it at the same time. We?ll see.
>
> Anyone who is a member of Rhodes 22 Email List can sign on to rhodes22.net using the same email address as a user id.
>
> Those interested can check out the new web interface at https://www.rhodes22.net
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 15:34:11 -0400
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: A Web Interface for ‘Da List’
> Message-ID: <E1rrNQ3-00Aw0E-0C at mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Back in 2021, I rewrote the website for rhodes22.org. No-one asked me to do this, but the 20 year old website was showing its age, and I enjoyed the challenge. There was little in the way of new technology involved, both the old and new websites were mostly static HTML web pages. When I was done. Mike Weisner, the rhodes22.org webmaster, was gracious enough to install the new web pages, and little has changed since.
>
> Not being willing to let well enough alone though, I kept working. I wrote web pages and programs that created a web interface for the Rhodes 22 email list (a.k.a. ?da list?). This work definitely did involve new technology. Implementing these changes on rhodes22.org would have required adding support for several new programming languages, and a database management system (DBMS).
>
> Mike said he would look into doing this, but it never happened. I don?t blame Mike for hesitating. It would be a lot of work to set up initially, and then the more complicated environment would have to be maintained going forward.
>
> So, for the last three years, I?ve been using this new functionality in my test workspace, and sometimes I?d forget that I?m the only person using this web interface to read and send messages. Then I got a new bee in my bonnet.
>
> I started a thread a few weeks ago regarding my concern about declining activity on the email list. The thread didn?t get a lot of traction, but that?s not enough to deter me. My hypothesis was that being only an email based discussion group may be limiting our appeal. No one seemed to agree, but then the only people who saw my message were people comfortable using an email list discussion group.
>
> But then it occurred to me that the web interface I?d developed could be deployed anywhere, it didn?t need to be on rhodes22.org.
>
> I found that the domain ?rhodes22.net' was available, so I bought that I then found a web hosting plan that had the technologies I needed, and installed the email list web interface there.
>
> My hope is that it will attract people who would not have participated in a community only available via email. Failing that, perhaps some members will find the web interface to be a useful alternative.
>
> Of course, there?s always the possibility that the whole thing will crash and burn the first time two people try to use it at the same time. We?ll see.
>
> Anyone who is a member of Rhodes 22 Email List can sign on to rhodes22.net using the same email address as a user id.
>
> Those interested can check out the new web interface at https://www.rhodes22.net
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 15:46:24 -0400
> From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: A Web Interface for ‘Da List’
> Message-ID: <E1rrNbs-00B2gw-0t at mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Peter
> This is excellent!
> I imagine there are costs related to hosting the website...can I contribute?
> --Reuben
>
> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:05:13 -0400
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Web Interface for 'Da List'
> Message-ID: <E1rrNu5-00BIvB-21 at mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Reuben,
>
> I'm glad you like it. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The costs are not large, and this thing has a way to go to prove itself useful.
>
> There seems to be an issue with special characters in the subject line, for instance.
>
> The double sending of the first message was due to me being nervous about kicking this off, not a technical glitch.
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2024-04-01, at 15:46:24 EDT, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>
>> Peter
>> This is excellent!
>> I imagine there are costs related to hosting the website...can I contribute?
>> --Reuben
>>
>> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>>
>
>
> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 16:06:32 -0400
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
> Message-ID: <530FB96A-AE61-4D92-8EBC-99BEA19446B1 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Greetings all, I have a 5 hp Mercury with the same issues as you Bob. I intend to upgrade to an electric start at some point. Also a Rhodie friend of mine paid 1,200$ to have cockpit shifter and throttle. He said it was the best money he ever spent on the boat. I may get that as well some day.
> Scott 86? Rhodes
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:02?PM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?My Mercury 8 hp with electric start and the throttle on the tiller works great. While in 2014 Stan was not wanting to tell me what to get, he did suggest this as an option and it was plenty powerful and easy to shift with the tiller handle sticking up.
>>
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of bobfcohen at gmail.com <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 1:57 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>
>> I have been reading the various recent postings about outboard motors with
>> great interest. I have a 2007 Rhodes with a hand-start 4-stroke Honda 5 HP
>> motor probably of the same age. It works reasonably well, although the gear
>> box had to be replaced a couple of years ago. We also have a GB motor lift
>> trolley system, which continues to work very well.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two chronic problems with the motor. One is that shifting gears
>> is awkward. The shift mechanism is not on the handle with the throttle. It
>> is located on the side of the motor and is very hard to reach, especially if
>> I am facing forward. Our jury-rig solution is to have a piece of PVC pipe
>> which I can put onto the shift mechanism when I am backing out of the slip
>> and need to change gears. It is very clumsy (and can be lost overboard).
>> The other problem is that my wife and I are in our 70's. She would be
>> unable to start the motor by pulling on the cord if something were to happen
>> to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> With these problems we need to make some changes, especially with regard to
>> the hand-start aspect of the motor. Is it possible to retrofit some kind of
>> electric starter on a motor like ours? Assuming not, we would be looking at
>> buying another motor. It would need to be electric start and have the shift
>> control on the handle with the throttle. Our 5 HP Honda is also a little
>> underpowered for our location on Portage Lake in northern Michigan, which
>> connects to Lake Michigan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for what we should look for in a
>> replacement motor? I don't think we want to get an electric motor as some on
>> the List have suggested, given the need to use it (or at least have it
>> available for use) on Lake Michigan. I have seen suggestions on the List
>> for an 8 HP Mercury with the shift on the handle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, our hand-held anemometer broke. Does anyone have suggestions about a
>> good hand-held anemometer to replace it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Cohen
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:06:15 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Web Interface for 'Da List'
> Message-ID: <003c01da8478$6faa1390$4efe3ab0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Peter,
>
> Thank you for creating the current Rhodes22.org website and setting up the next generation version for testing at Rhodes22.net. I have been fairly busy taking care of elder family members (and estates), my retirement, family weddings and, most importantly, getting ready for the sailing season. There was little time to devote to testing the new site.
>
> We do have some money left in the Rhodes22.org donations account that can probably cover your costs. Please email me a reconciliation and I will pay it. If anyone on the list has an issue with this, please let me know.
>
> As we have discussed previously, I had placed rhodes22.org on the AWS platform (Amazon servers) to avoid succession issues as new folks take over management of the website and email list. Unfortunately, I have taken no actions to provide a method of handing off the management tasks. I would welcome anyone who wants to share or take over the responsibilities. The position of webmaster is always available to Rhodies who have the time and abilities. While I do not discriminate against age, youth is a plus.
>
> Thanks again, Peter, for all that you do for the Rhodies.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 4:05 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Web Interface for 'Da List'
>
> Reuben,
>
> I'm glad you like it. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The costs are not large, and this thing has a way to go to prove itself useful.
>
> There seems to be an issue with special characters in the subject line, for instance.
>
> The double sending of the first message was due to me being nervous about kicking this off, not a technical glitch.
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2024-04-01, at 15:46:24 EDT, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>
>> Peter
>> This is excellent!
>> I imagine there are costs related to hosting the website...can I contribute?
>> --Reuben
>>
>> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>>
>
>
> << Sent From rhodes22.net >>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 21:58:49 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
> Message-ID:
> <MN2PR10MB428810823059A9B15673017A803F2 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob and Scott,
> I have the cockpit remote engine controls for my Honda 8 hp extra long shaft outboard. The cockpit remote control unit is the same as the Honda 9.9 hp. It?s a single lever shift/throttle design. It makes close quarters maneuvering much less dramatic. You stand in the cockpit with the tiller in your right hand and the engine controls in your left. Total control - it?s wonderful! I teach my Boy Scouts with this setup and they all catch on very quickly. It also makes single handed docking much easier. I highly recommend remote cockpit engine controls.!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978 Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 4:06?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Greetings all, I have a 5 hp Mercury with the same issues as you Bob. I intend to upgrade to an electric start at some point. Also a Rhodie friend of mine paid 1,200$ to have cockpit shifter and throttle. He said it was the best money he ever spent on the boat. I may get that as well some day.
>> Scott 86? Rhodes
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:02?PM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?My Mercury 8 hp with electric start and the throttle on the tiller works great. While in 2014 Stan was not wanting to tell me what to get, he did suggest this as an option and it was plenty powerful and easy to shift with the tiller handle sticking up.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> Beach Spring
>>>
>>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>>> Director of Music
>>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of bobfcohen at gmail.com <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 1:57 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
>>>
>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>>
>>> I have been reading the various recent postings about outboard motors with
>>> great interest. I have a 2007 Rhodes with a hand-start 4-stroke Honda 5 HP
>>> motor probably of the same age. It works reasonably well, although the gear
>>> box had to be replaced a couple of years ago. We also have a GB motor lift
>>> trolley system, which continues to work very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are two chronic problems with the motor. One is that shifting gears
>>> is awkward. The shift mechanism is not on the handle with the throttle. It
>>> is located on the side of the motor and is very hard to reach, especially if
>>> I am facing forward. Our jury-rig solution is to have a piece of PVC pipe
>>> which I can put onto the shift mechanism when I am backing out of the slip
>>> and need to change gears. It is very clumsy (and can be lost overboard).
>>> The other problem is that my wife and I are in our 70's. She would be
>>> unable to start the motor by pulling on the cord if something were to happen
>>> to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With these problems we need to make some changes, especially with regard to
>>> the hand-start aspect of the motor. Is it possible to retrofit some kind of
>>> electric starter on a motor like ours? Assuming not, we would be looking at
>>> buying another motor. It would need to be electric start and have the shift
>>> control on the handle with the throttle. Our 5 HP Honda is also a little
>>> underpowered for our location on Portage Lake in northern Michigan, which
>>> connects to Lake Michigan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions for what we should look for in a
>>> replacement motor? I don't think we want to get an electric motor as some on
>>> the List have suggested, given the need to use it (or at least have it
>>> available for use) on Lake Michigan. I have seen suggestions on the List
>>> for an 8 HP Mercury with the shift on the handle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, our hand-held anemometer broke. Does anyone have suggestions about a
>>> good hand-held anemometer to replace it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bob Cohen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> http://www.avast.com/<http://www.avast.com/>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:17:01 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
> Message-ID:
> <MN2PR10MB4288E657DAC1954C3FC7DB37803F2 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob,
> We?ve had good luck with our WeatherHawk WindMate 350. Besides wind speed/direction, it reads dew point, air temperature, humidity, wind chill, heat index, and barometric pressure. Our unit is >10 years old and is still working just fine. It?s expensive; but, it?s a quality, well-made piece of gear. West Marine sells these C/N: 9599340, SPEED#:27019 $249.99 + S&H
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:02?PM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?My Mercury 8 hp with electric start and the throttle on the tiller works great. While in 2014 Stan was not wanting to tell me what to get, he did suggest this as an option and it was plenty powerful and easy to shift with the tiller handle sticking up.
>>
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of bobfcohen at gmail.com <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 1:57 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Some questions
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>
>> I have been reading the various recent postings about outboard motors with
>> great interest. I have a 2007 Rhodes with a hand-start 4-stroke Honda 5 HP
>> motor probably of the same age. It works reasonably well, although the gear
>> box had to be replaced a couple of years ago. We also have a GB motor lift
>> trolley system, which continues to work very well.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two chronic problems with the motor. One is that shifting gears
>> is awkward. The shift mechanism is not on the handle with the throttle. It
>> is located on the side of the motor and is very hard to reach, especially if
>> I am facing forward. Our jury-rig solution is to have a piece of PVC pipe
>> which I can put onto the shift mechanism when I am backing out of the slip
>> and need to change gears. It is very clumsy (and can be lost overboard).
>> The other problem is that my wife and I are in our 70's. She would be
>> unable to start the motor by pulling on the cord if something were to happen
>> to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> With these problems we need to make some changes, especially with regard to
>> the hand-start aspect of the motor. Is it possible to retrofit some kind of
>> electric starter on a motor like ours? Assuming not, we would be looking at
>> buying another motor. It would need to be electric start and have the shift
>> control on the handle with the throttle. Our 5 HP Honda is also a little
>> underpowered for our location on Portage Lake in northern Michigan, which
>> connects to Lake Michigan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for what we should look for in a
>> replacement motor? I don't think we want to get an electric motor as some on
>> the List have suggested, given the need to use it (or at least have it
>> available for use) on Lake Michigan. I have seen suggestions on the List
>> for an 8 HP Mercury with the shift on the handle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, our hand-held anemometer broke. Does anyone have suggestions about a
>> good hand-held anemometer to replace it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Cohen
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> http://www.avast.com/<http://www.avast.com/>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 21:18:36 -0400
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tap, tap, tap
> Message-ID: <E1rrSnM-00EIwO-17 at mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Just checking to make sure I haven't broken the email list with all my new-fangled stuff...
>
> --Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 18:43:47 -0700
> From: Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] tap, tap, tap
> Message-ID:
> <CAMzGxuOJewKaTj8t4wWH74kBK4RpZ5Nk2zBN7YZvXtz5dAQi-g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> All good here - thanks for all your work- cheers
>
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:18?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just checking to make sure I haven't broken the email list with all my
>> new-fangled stuff...
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 04:48:19 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] tap, tap, tap
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> Seems to be working?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 9:44?PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?All good here - thanks for all your work- cheers
>>
>> Shawn
>> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 6:18?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just checking to make sure I haven't broken the email list with all my
>>> new-fangled stuff...
>>>
>>> --Peter
>>>
>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 10:13:35 -0400
> From: <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] tap, tap, tap
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> OK here
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 9:19 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tap, tap, tap
>
> Just checking to make sure I haven't broken the email list with all my new-fangled stuff...
>
> --Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 12:08:34 -0400
> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch to Cabin
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> My old plywood hatch cover was in rough shape. It had been painted white
> but not soon enough or often enough. I recently replaced using PVC plywood
> from home depot and the original piano hinge. Use the old and a pattern,
> just a skill saw and a router bit for the edges. Seems OK. Light weight.
> I painted it white over white but probably OK without paint. It has wood
> grain texture on one side. I assume it will be fine and not warp or
> anything in the hot sun but time will tell.
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 12:19?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cary,
>>
>> My 1978 Rhodes 22 has a luan teak plywood companionway hatch cover. The
>> hinge is a SS piano hinge. I have to take the hatch cover apart, sand it
>> down, and revarnish every couple of years. But, given that minimal
>> maintenance, it's still the original hatch cover. Of course, it doesn't
>> allow any light into the cabin when closed; but, it also doesn't get hot in
>> direct sunshine. Freshly varnished, I think it looks good, very
>> traditional. Even when UV stabilized, polycarbonate will take UV damage
>> from the sun. Polycarbonate is a crystaline polymer, which means it
>> inherantly tends to fail by brittle fracture, even when new. UV exposure
>> only renders it more brittle. Is your hinge thru bolted or are the screws
>> threaded into the Lexan? If it is threaded; then, you could make it
>> somewhat more resistant to cracking by drilling out the threads. Then,
>> thru bolt it using the biggest OD fender washers that will fit. Thru
>> bolting with fender washers to spread the load will make the hinge assembly
>> much less likely to crack.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978 Sanford, MI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 6:31 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch to Cabin
>>
>> My hatch is made of 3/8 in. thick black polycarbonate (lexan). It has a
>> crack at the bend. Like me it has been patched up and is still serviceable.
>> I am thinking more about when the time comes to sell the boat. What
>> material is General Boats currently using? The previous owner said the boat
>> went through recycling in the early 2000s. So the polycarbonate has held up
>> to abuse and the sun for 20 years.
>> It does let some light into the cabin but the black color absorbs a lot of
>> heat.
>> Looking for suggestions and ideas of what may be the current or fashionable
>> update for the market. I know tastes change but I still wear penny loafers
>> style shoes from the 60s.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Cary Tolbert
>> S/V Whisper 86
>> Claytor Lake , VA
>>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:51:30 -0400
> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
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> Hello all.
>
> I have a Honda 9.9 2 cyl. that has been mostly sitting for a few years.
> It sat on the boat in Kitty Hawk (humid environment) for one winter
> untouched (2018). Since then I have not used it on the water but always
> expecting that I might anytime soon I did not winterize but dutifully
> started it every couple of months throughout the winters and ran it a bit
> with the water hose. Always started easy and ran good. Some smoke at
> first but not enough to concern me. This time as I was about to put the
> thing in to use I put a bucket (trash can ) around it and ran it again.
> Started easy , runs good, again some smoking, enough to get me curious but
> not constant at all speeds.
>
> Looking under the cowling I see oil dripping from the carb intake (clean
> golden oil). Still running fine.I am hoping there may be a *vent clog* or
> something rather than just frozen rings. Any thoughts? *Stuck valve?* (
> but runs pretty good)
>
> This 1999 motor has VERY VERY low miles and looks brand new so I hate to
> scrap it but given the date of manufacture the value is probably less than
> a marine repair will charge me to take a look. Hoping for a miracle
> solution. Twice I have removed mud dauber bee nests from under the cowling
> so maybe I can find something suspicous.
>
> The trash can I ran it in did have some residual oil clinging to the sides
> but I don't know how much might be normal.
>
> My plan next trip in a couple of weeks is to look for clogs and try running
> again maybe with a high dose of sea foam or something. Not sure of any
> miracle sauce that might help stuck rings.
>
> Patrick
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:12:13 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
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> Patrick,
>
> I think that if you have a problem with "stuck" piston rings, you would know it. I would suspect that there would be a loud noise and the engine probably would not run at low speeds as it seized up.
>
> My guess is more a problem with the crankcase ventilation system. Usually there is a PCV style one-way valve that sucks oil fumes out of the crankcase, burning them by introducing into the air intake. Check the air filter which is usually part of the recirculation circuit as it can become saturated with oil.
>
> Is the engine consuming oil? Have you checked the oil level using the dipstick? The smoke and excess oil can be the result of worn (not stuck) piston rings or valves that are allowing the oil to pass into the combustion path.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
> Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:52 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
>
> Hello all.
>
> I have a Honda 9.9 2 cyl. that has been mostly sitting for a few years.
> It sat on the boat in Kitty Hawk (humid environment) for one winter untouched (2018). Since then I have not used it on the water but always expecting that I might anytime soon I did not winterize but dutifully started it every couple of months throughout the winters and ran it a bit with the water hose. Always started easy and ran good. Some smoke at first but not enough to concern me. This time as I was about to put the thing in to use I put a bucket (trash can ) around it and ran it again.
> Started easy , runs good, again some smoking, enough to get me curious but not constant at all speeds.
>
> Looking under the cowling I see oil dripping from the carb intake (clean golden oil). Still running fine.I am hoping there may be a *vent clog* or something rather than just frozen rings. Any thoughts? *Stuck valve?* ( but runs pretty good)
>
> This 1999 motor has VERY VERY low miles and looks brand new so I hate to scrap it but given the date of manufacture the value is probably less than a marine repair will charge me to take a look. Hoping for a miracle solution. Twice I have removed mud dauber bee nests from under the cowling so maybe I can find something suspicous.
>
> The trash can I ran it in did have some residual oil clinging to the sides but I don't know how much might be normal.
>
> My plan next trip in a couple of weeks is to look for clogs and try running again maybe with a high dose of sea foam or something. Not sure of any miracle sauce that might help stuck rings.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:41:29 -0400
> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
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> Mike,
> Unable to get a read on oil consumption as it has not been run since I
> changed it other than these short starts for a few minutes. Still full and
> golden. It does not appear to have an air filter. Oil was dripping from
> carb. intake side. Some smoke would have to come from oil being sucked
> through the card so I am very hopeful it is PVC. I can't find much useful
> info. in the manual so I'll just have to troubleshoot by hunting for
> clogged tubes.
> Thanks for giving me some hope.
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 2:12?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I think that if you have a problem with "stuck" piston rings, you would
>> know it. I would suspect that there would be a loud noise and the engine
>> probably would not run at low speeds as it seized up.
>>
>> My guess is more a problem with the crankcase ventilation system. Usually
>> there is a PCV style one-way valve that sucks oil fumes out of the
>> crankcase, burning them by introducing into the air intake. Check the air
>> filter which is usually part of the recirculation circuit as it can become
>> saturated with oil.
>>
>> Is the engine consuming oil? Have you checked the oil level using the
>> dipstick? The smoke and excess oil can be the result of worn (not stuck)
>> piston rings or valves that are allowing the oil to pass into the
>> combustion path.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:52 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I have a Honda 9.9 2 cyl. that has been mostly sitting for a few years.
>> It sat on the boat in Kitty Hawk (humid environment) for one winter
>> untouched (2018). Since then I have not used it on the water but always
>> expecting that I might anytime soon I did not winterize but dutifully
>> started it every couple of months throughout the winters and ran it a bit
>> with the water hose. Always started easy and ran good. Some smoke at
>> first but not enough to concern me. This time as I was about to put the
>> thing in to use I put a bucket (trash can ) around it and ran it again.
>> Started easy , runs good, again some smoking, enough to get me curious but
>> not constant at all speeds.
>>
>> Looking under the cowling I see oil dripping from the carb intake (clean
>> golden oil). Still running fine.I am hoping there may be a *vent clog* or
>> something rather than just frozen rings. Any thoughts? *Stuck valve?* (
>> but runs pretty good)
>>
>> This 1999 motor has VERY VERY low miles and looks brand new so I hate to
>> scrap it but given the date of manufacture the value is probably less than
>> a marine repair will charge me to take a look. Hoping for a miracle
>> solution. Twice I have removed mud dauber bee nests from under the cowling
>> so maybe I can find something suspicous.
>>
>> The trash can I ran it in did have some residual oil clinging to the sides
>> but I don't know how much might be normal.
>>
>> My plan next trip in a couple of weeks is to look for clogs and try
>> running again maybe with a high dose of sea foam or something. Not sure of
>> any miracle sauce that might help stuck rings.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 20:02:27 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
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> Hi Patrick,
>
> I have a Honda BF9.9AXSA outboard motor, model year 2000. I use it on my Walker Bay RIB. If you have a compression tester, you can quickly determine the status of your piston rings and valves. The factory compression spec is 156 +/- 14 psi when the engine is cold. If your compression meets spec in both cylinders; then, your piston rings and valves are OK. If the compression values are low; then, squirt some engine oil into the spark plug hole on each cylinder and retest the compression. If the compression improves; then, you have worn/stuck piston rings. If the compression does not improve; then, you have valve leakage issues. The only way to fix valve leakage is with a cylinder head rebuild. However, since your engine still runs, if your problem is stuck piston rings; then, you may be able to free them up. Drain out about ? the crankcase oil and refill with a product like Slick 50 Synthetic Oil Treatment. Squirt some Slick 50 into each spark plug hole, gently cra
> nk it over a few revs, and then let it sit overnight. The next day, start the engine, and let it run at idle for 15-20 minutes. Then, shut it down and change the oil. Hopefully, this will free up the piston rings. I don't have much faith in any fuel additive's ability to free up stuck piston rings.
>
> My M/Y 2000 engine has a crankcase vent that dumps directly to the atmosphere via a rubber hose on the port side. The crankcase breather cover sits just in front of the timing belt sprocket on the top of the engine. I've never had my breather cover off because I've never needed to get in there. However, given that it vents to the atmosphere, I doubt there is any sort of PCV valve that might get stuck or clogged. However, I suppose it's possible the vent port itself &/or the hose might be clogged. So, it might be worth a look underneath the breather cover just to verify that the plumbing is free and clear.
>
> Try these suggestions and let's see what happens. Good Luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978 Sanford, MI
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 2:12 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
>
> Patrick,
>
> I think that if you have a problem with "stuck" piston rings, you would know it. I would suspect that there would be a loud noise and the engine probably would not run at low speeds as it seized up.
>
> My guess is more a problem with the crankcase ventilation system. Usually there is a PCV style one-way valve that sucks oil fumes out of the crankcase, burning them by introducing into the air intake. Check the air filter which is usually part of the recirculation circuit as it can become saturated with oil.
>
> Is the engine consuming oil? Have you checked the oil level using the dipstick? The smoke and excess oil can be the result of worn (not stuck) piston rings or valves that are allowing the oil to pass into the combustion path.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
> Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 1:52 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Honda BF9.9 Oil from carb
>
> Hello all.
>
> I have a Honda 9.9 2 cyl. that has been mostly sitting for a few years.
> It sat on the boat in Kitty Hawk (humid environment) for one winter untouched (2018). Since then I have not used it on the water but always expecting that I might anytime soon I did not winterize but dutifully started it every couple of months throughout the winters and ran it a bit with the water hose. Always started easy and ran good. Some smoke at first but not enough to concern me. This time as I was about to put the thing in to use I put a bucket (trash can ) around it and ran it again.
> Started easy , runs good, again some smoking, enough to get me curious but not constant at all speeds.
>
> Looking under the cowling I see oil dripping from the carb intake (clean golden oil). Still running fine.I am hoping there may be a *vent clog* or something rather than just frozen rings. Any thoughts? *Stuck valve?* ( but runs pretty good)
>
> This 1999 motor has VERY VERY low miles and looks brand new so I hate to scrap it but given the date of manufacture the value is probably less than a marine repair will charge me to take a look. Hoping for a miracle solution. Twice I have removed mud dauber bee nests from under the cowling so maybe I can find something suspicous.
>
> The trash can I ran it in did have some residual oil clinging to the sides but I don't know how much might be normal.
>
> My plan next trip in a couple of weeks is to look for clogs and try running again maybe with a high dose of sea foam or something. Not sure of any miracle sauce that might help stuck rings.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2024 17:17:03 -0400
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Web Interface: How it works
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> This post is about some of the inner workings of the web interface for the Rhodes 22 email list on rhodes22.net.
>
> The Rhodes 22 email list is run by a program called 'Mailman'. Most of the data displayed by the email list web interface comes from Mailman archives. But, to make the data easier and more efficient to retrieve and display, it is taken from the archives and placed into a relational database.
>
> Initially, a bulk form of this process was run to convert many years of historical data. After that, the process was run periodically to get recent updates. Currently, the process is set to run every 5 minutes.
>
> When the process finds a new message, it attempts to break it down into its component parts (e.g. sender, date, subject, main body, and quoted text from prior messages). The parsing of the message can be tricky because message formats are not entirely consistent.
>
> Every message viewed in the web interface will have a line at the bottom that reads ?See the original archive post?. Clicking on this should open up a new browser tab that will display the message in the Mailman archives. This was useful to me during development as a way to check to see if a message had been garbled by the conversion process. I?ve decided to leave it in the interface for now.
>
> It seems to universal behavior of mail client programs that when you reply to an email, a new window is opened that contains the content of the message that?s being replied to. Usually, this is set off, or indented in some way to enhance readability. The message parsing process attempts to differentiate new text vs old text, and if it succeeds (which it generally does), it will store them separately in the database. This is done mostly so that searches can be better targeted (more on that in a later post), but it also affects how messages are displayed in the web interface.
>
> When a message is initially displayed, only new text will be shown. If the full message also contains text from earlier messages, a ?show more >>>? link will appear at the bottom. Clicking on this will, naturally, display the older text.
>
> One final bit of behavior of the web interface that might seem odd has to do with sending new messages to the list. When a message is sent, a dialog box will appear stating that the message should appear in the web interface in 5 to 10 minutes. The delay is because even though in theory the web interface could put the message directly into the database and display it immediately, it doesn?t do that. Instead, it waits for the Mailman archive retrieval process to find it and add it to the database.
>
> So again, the new web interface can be found at https://www.rhodes22.net. Don't be shy about letting me know if you find problems, issues or bugs.
>
> ?Peter
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
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