From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 09:29:49 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 09:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> without the plank in place.
>
> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>
> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976
>
> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
> looking for there.
> > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> bunks, not on the keel.
> > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> suspect
> > they won't believe it
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don
> >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>  From Practical Sailor
> >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> >> at
> >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> to
> >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> that
> >> the
> >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich
> <
> >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> >> able
> >>>> to
> >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> >> hang
> >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> >>> sure,
> >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> >>> water
> >>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>> sounded
> >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> >>> after
> >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >> bilge,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >> come
> >>>> from
> >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> >>>> greater
> >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>> salinity
> >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf
> >> Of
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> >>> last
> >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >> more
> >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >> much
> >>> -
> >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> >> on
> >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>> above
> >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >> of
> >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >> too
> >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >> so
> >>> it
> >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >> before
> >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >> sound
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >> before I
> >>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> >>> the
> >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>> attack.
> >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >> 22.
> >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >> when
> >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>> about
> >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> >>> part
> >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >> top
> >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >> leak.
> >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>> trunk).
> >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >
> --
> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 15:32:40 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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20?.

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > without the plank in place.
> >
> > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >
> > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> > Agile 1976
> >
> > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> > information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> > discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
> > looking for there.
> > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> > >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > suspect
> > > they won't believe it
> > > --Reuben
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> Stan.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Don
> > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>>  From Practical Sailor
> > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> serving
> > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> prevents
> > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> be
> > >> at
> > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> > to
> > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>
> > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > that
> > >> the
> > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> Mezrich
> > <
> > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> now
> > >> able
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> > >> hang
> > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > >>> sure,
> > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > >>> water
> > >>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > >>>> sounded
> > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > >>> after
> > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >> bilge,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > >> come
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> was
> > >>>> greater
> > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > >>>> salinity
> > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> races
> > >>> last
> > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > >> more
> > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> > >> much
> > >>> -
> > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> > >> on
> > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> > >>> above
> > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> > >> too
> > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> > >> so
> > >>> it
> > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> > >> before
> > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > >> sound
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > >> before I
> > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > >>> attack.
> > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > >> when
> > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > >>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> > >> on
> > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > >>> part
> > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> boat
> > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > >> I'm
> > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> > >> top
> > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > >> leak.
> > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > >> unlikely
> > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > >>> trunk).
> > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>> <
> > >>>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg>
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> > >>
> >
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> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png
> > >>>>
> > >
> > --
> > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
>

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Feb  2 17:28:39 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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HI Graham
It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in. 
If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra Long Shaft. 
That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly. 
Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat. 
Ric 
SV Dadventure 
4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared. 
?
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 20?.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
>> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
>> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
>> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
>> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
>> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
>> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>> 
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
>>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
>>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
>>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
>>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
>>> without the plank in place.
>>> 
>>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
>>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
>>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
>>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
>>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
>>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
>>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
>>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>>> 
>>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> 
>>> Agile 1976
>>> 
>>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
>>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
>>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
>>> looking for there.
>>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
>>> bunks, not on the keel.
>>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
>>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
>>> suspect
>>>> they won't believe it
>>>> --Reuben
>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
>>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
>> Stan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
>>>>>> From Practical Sailor
>>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
>> serving
>>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
>> prevents
>>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
>> be
>>>>> at
>>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
>>> to
>>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
>>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
>>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
>> Mezrich
>>> <
>>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
>> now
>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
>>>>> hang
>>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>> Great point but....
>>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>> in the bilge
>>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bilge.
>>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bilge.
>>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
>>>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
>>>>>>> sounded
>>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
>>>>> bilge,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
>>>>> come
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
>> was
>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
>>>>>>> salinity
>>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
>> races
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
>>>>> much
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
>>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
>>>>> so
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
>>>>> before I
>>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
>>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
>>>>>> attack.
>>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
>>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
>>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
>>>>> 22.
>>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
>>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
>> boat
>>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
>>>>> leak.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
>>>>> unlikely
>>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
>>>>>> trunk).
>>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>> 
>> 

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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 17:39:02 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Ric: My experience is the same as you describe. Even with the long shaft I
have had the prop come out of the water in rough seas - when thrust is most
important.
I suppose there might be a way to get by with a short shaft with a special
motor mount but I would say that you might regret having a short shaft but
I doubt that you would ever regret having the long shaft. If there is any
doubt about which to get, going with the long shaft is best.

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> HI Graham
> It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> Long Shaft.
> That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> ?
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 20?.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> of
> >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> >>> without the plank in place.
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>>
> >>> Agile 1976
> >>>
> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> >>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> >>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> >>> looking for there.
> >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> >>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> >>> suspect
> >>>> they won't believe it
> >>>> --Reuben
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> >> Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don
> >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> >> serving
> >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> >> prevents
> >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> >> be
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> >>> to
> >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> >> Mezrich
> >>> <
> >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> >> now
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> >>>>> hang
> >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> >>>>>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> >>>>>> water
> >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>>>>> sounded
> >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >>>>> bilge,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >>>>> come
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> >> was
> >>>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>>>>> salinity
> >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> >> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> >> races
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >>>>> sound
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >>>>> before I
> >>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>>>>> attack.
> >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >>>>> 22.
> >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> >>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> >> boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >>>>> leak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >>>>> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>>>>> trunk).
> >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >>>
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From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 06:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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I'm looking at a Tohatsu 8hp electric start....weighs about 85 lbs so its
not so bad, but only comes in 20" shaft
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> HI Graham
> It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> Long Shaft.
> That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> ?
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 20?.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> of
> >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> >>> without the plank in place.
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>>
> >>> Agile 1976
> >>>
> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> >>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> >>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> >>> looking for there.
> >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> >>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> >>> suspect
> >>>> they won't believe it
> >>>> --Reuben
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> >> Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don
> >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> >> serving
> >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> >> prevents
> >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> >> be
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> >>> to
> >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> >> Mezrich
> >>> <
> >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> >> now
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> >>>>> hang
> >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> >>>>>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> >>>>>> water
> >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>>>>> sounded
> >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >>>>> bilge,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >>>>> come
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> >> was
> >>>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>>>>> salinity
> >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> >> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> >> races
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >>>>> sound
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >>>>> before I
> >>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>>>>> attack.
> >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >>>>> 22.
> >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> >>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> >> boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >>>>> leak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >>>>> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>>>>> trunk).
> >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 07:40:42 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 123
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Got it Jeff

Shalom and Stay Well,
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Feb 15 08:27:50 2024
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:27:50 +0000
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 12:12:03 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 12:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- State of play for NOAA's Charting
	Tools and Processes
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Thought this lecture might be of interest to some of you.  It is free and
open to all and there is a zoom link in the message below.
The Old Point Comfort Yacht Club www.opcyc.org sponsors a series of classes
on Saturday mornings at 0930 during the winter.  It is referred to as
Pointer Maritime University (PMU).

-Mike
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

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This week's PMU lecture should be of interest to all sailors of every
description. As everyone should know, NOAA no longer produces hard copy
charts so now you must either depend on third party vendors for your charts
or buy chart books. But, there is a better way! Captain Steve Runals is
going to show us how to do it! Steve requires little introduction to the
PMU lectern; he has provided our students a number of lectures in the past.
He holds a USCG Near Coastal Captain's License and is an ASA Certified
Sailing Instructor through ASA 106. He has been racing and cruising for
over 40 years in boats of all sizes up to 45 feet and has over 39.000
offshore miles with experience in the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean,
Caribbean, and Gulf of Mexico including deliveries from Panama to Texas, St
Vincent to Annapolis, Norfolk to Caribbean and a Trans-Atlantic voyage from
Long Island to Lagos Portugal. His lecture is going to cover the processes
that NOAA has established to enable users to create and download and save a
tailored chart, and print or forward it to a third-party vendor for
printing. This is going to be an excellent lecture, As always, if you can't
be there in person, please log in to the Zoom meeting and participate from
the comfort of home- or whatever far flung location you are at. PMU
Lectures are free for everyone and the Dean appreciates your attendance,
whether an OPCYC member or not. The link to the Zoom meeting (for future
reference, it should be the same link for the remainder of the 2024 PMU
semester) is:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87070204454?pwd=UzUxQktURXlIekxpeEh1RjE5R0g2Zz09
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From talmorin at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 09:58:57 2024
From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:58:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- State of play for NOAA's
 Charting	Tools and Processes
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Very cool, thanks.

Is that 9:30 eastern?

Tom
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Thought this lecture might be of interest to some of you.  It is free and
open to all and there is a zoom link in the message below.
The Old Point Comfort Yacht Club www.opcyc.org<http://www.opcyc.org> sponsors a series of classes
on Saturday mornings at 0930 during the winter.  It is referred to as
Pointer Maritime University (PMU).

-Mike
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

? State of Play for NOAA's Charting Tools and Processes, by Steve Runals

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The State of Play of NOAA's Charting Tools and ProcessesLecture by Steve
Runals- 0930, 24 February 2024

This week's PMU lecture should be of interest to all sailors of every
description. As everyone should know, NOAA no longer produces hard copy
charts so now you must either depend on third party vendors for your charts
or buy chart books. But, there is a better way! Captain Steve Runals is
going to show us how to do it! Steve requires little introduction to the
PMU lectern; he has provided our students a number of lectures in the past.
He holds a USCG Near Coastal Captain's License and is an ASA Certified
Sailing Instructor through ASA 106. He has been racing and cruising for
over 40 years in boats of all sizes up to 45 feet and has over 39.000
offshore miles with experience in the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean,
Caribbean, and Gulf of Mexico including deliveries from Panama to Texas, St
Vincent to Annapolis, Norfolk to Caribbean and a Trans-Atlantic voyage from
Long Island to Lagos Portugal. His lecture is going to cover the processes
that NOAA has established to enable users to create and download and save a
tailored chart, and print or forward it to a third-party vendor for
printing. This is going to be an excellent lecture, As always, if you can't
be there in person, please log in to the Zoom meeting and participate from
the comfort of home- or whatever far flung location you are at. PMU
Lectures are free for everyone and the Dean appreciates your attendance,
whether an OPCYC member or not. The link to the Zoom meeting (for future
reference, it should be the same link for the remainder of the 2024 PMU
semester) is:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87070204454?pwd=UzUxQktURXlIekxpeEh1RjE5R0g2Zz09
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---One tap mobile+16465588656,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#

US (New York)+16469313860,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#

US---Dial by your location? +1 646 558 8656

US? +1 301 715 8592

US (Washington DC)? +1 305 224 1968

US? +1 309 205 3325


Look forward to seeing you there!

Keith Midgette

PMU Rear Commodore

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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 08:32:58 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 08:32:58 -0500
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Yes, it starts at 9:30 Eastern time.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 9:59?AM Thomas s <talmorin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Very cool, thanks.
>
> Is that 9:30 eastern?
>
> Tom
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> Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 11:12 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- State of play for NOAA's
> Charting Tools and Processes
>
> Thought this lecture might be of interest to some of you.  It is free and
> open to all and there is a zoom link in the message below.
> The Old Point Comfort Yacht Club www.opcyc.org<http://www.opcyc.org>
> sponsors a series of classes
> on Saturday mornings at 0930 during the winter.  It is referred to as
> Pointer Maritime University (PMU).
>
> -Mike
> s/v Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
>
> ? State of Play for NOAA's Charting Tools and Processes, by Steve Runals
>
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> [image:
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> The State of Play of NOAA's Charting Tools and ProcessesLecture by Steve
> Runals- 0930, 24 February 2024
>
> This week's PMU lecture should be of interest to all sailors of every
> description. As everyone should know, NOAA no longer produces hard copy
> charts so now you must either depend on third party vendors for your charts
> or buy chart books. But, there is a better way! Captain Steve Runals is
> going to show us how to do it! Steve requires little introduction to the
> PMU lectern; he has provided our students a number of lectures in the past.
> He holds a USCG Near Coastal Captain's License and is an ASA Certified
> Sailing Instructor through ASA 106. He has been racing and cruising for
> over 40 years in boats of all sizes up to 45 feet and has over 39.000
> offshore miles with experience in the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean,
> Caribbean, and Gulf of Mexico including deliveries from Panama to Texas, St
> Vincent to Annapolis, Norfolk to Caribbean and a Trans-Atlantic voyage from
> Long Island to Lagos Portugal. His lecture is going to cover the processes
> that NOAA has established to enable users to create and download and save a
> tailored chart, and print or forward it to a third-party vendor for
> printing. This is going to be an excellent lecture, As always, if you can't
> be there in person, please log in to the Zoom meeting and participate from
> the comfort of home- or whatever far flung location you are at. PMU
> Lectures are free for everyone and the Dean appreciates your attendance,
> whether an OPCYC member or not. The link to the Zoom meeting (for future
> reference, it should be the same link for the remainder of the 2024 PMU
> semester) is:
>
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87070204454?pwd=UzUxQktURXlIekxpeEh1RjE5R0g2Zz09
> <
> https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/click/17d17e07b7b3fbc4/17d17e07b7b3ee8f
> >
>
> Meeting ID: 870 7020 4454
>
> Passcode: 481200
>
> For those that want to dial in:
>
> ---One tap mobile+16465588656,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#
>
> US (New York)+16469313860,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#
>
> US---Dial by your location? +1 646 558 8656
>
> US? +1 301 715 8592
>
> US (Washington DC)? +1 305 224 1968
>
> US? +1 309 205 3325
>
>
> Look forward to seeing you there!
>
> Keith Midgette
>
> PMU Rear Commodore
>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 08:53:53 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:53:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mvF1+pkZvmgLjagwmZs-GHEO=SaO7KMyXAMVAVdHEOeRA@mail.gmail.com>

For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

From rweiss at siu.edu  Tue Feb 27 09:18:36 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:18:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
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My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014 and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the winch.

Bob
Beach Spring
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 10:54:27 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:54:27 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB83785339E380E1B734A3A7F9C6592@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <517AE0C7-C91A-405B-A11C-26AFD6D9EE22@gmail.com>

Mine has a small power distribution bock in back. A couple of things hooked up there (raise/lower winch and electric start button) then from block large gauge wire running up to main battery inside cabin. 

Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2024, at 8:18?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014 and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the winch.
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> 
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

From ruehbl at msn.com  Tue Feb 27 13:29:13 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:29:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats. The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I will be dealing with.
Barry Ruehlen
Sv Perseverance 1987
Saint James City, Fl

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring

My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014 and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the winch.

Bob
Beach Spring
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Feb 27 14:46:18 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:46:18 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
Message-ID: <E1rf3P8-008Nvf-15@s152.servername.online>

When General Boats wired my boat, they ran one pair of #8 AWG wires from the Lazarette to the battery under the settee.  These serviced both the outboard and the winch.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2024-02-27, at 08:53:53 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric connection at 
> the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the settee? If the 
> latter, what gauge wire did you use? 
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 15:06:55 2024
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
In-Reply-To: <E1rf3P8-008Nvf-15@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rf3P8-008Nvf-15@s152.servername.online>
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One thing to remember is that Stan built great boats, but the wiring was
always substandard and did not comply with ABYC standards.  I recommend
getting Don Casey's book, Sailboat Electrics Simplified to see how it
should be done.

Hank

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:46?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> When General Boats wired my boat, they ran one pair of #8 AWG wires from
> the Lazarette to the battery under the settee.  These serviced both the
> outboard and the winch.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2024-02-27, at 08:53:53 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >
> > For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at
> > the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the settee? If
> the
> > latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> > I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Feb 27 15:48:55 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:48:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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Barry,

Please be very careful of the weight applied to the Rhodes 22 keel area.

It was designed to be supported from the side (upper) bunks when trailered.

I found this discussion in the archives:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2015-January/076978.html

The images that were attached were:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20150108/5440c70
1/attachment.JPG
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20150108/5440c70
1/attachment-0001.JPG

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of BARRY
RUEHLEN
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 1:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are only
two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming that
the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe around 18"
or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm not sure
about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away without
the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will attempt to
attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I will be
dealing with.
Barry Ruehlen
Sv Perseverance 1987
Saint James City, Fl

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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Feb 27 15:51:25 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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Can someone sent Barry the trailer drawings please? 
I have hard copies in my file and thought I had E copies but can not dig them out now. 
If nobody can help, I can get to them tomorrow. 
LMK 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:29 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats. The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> 
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014 and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the winch.
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> 
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Feb 27 16:25:18 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:25:18 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
Message-ID: <E1rf4ww-008rNf-0d@s152.servername.online>

I assume you're referring to these...

> On 2024-02-27, at 15:51:25 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>
> Can someone sent Barry the trailer drawings please?
> I have hard copies in my file and thought I had E copies but can not dig them 
> out now. 
> If nobody can help, I can get to them tomorrow.
> LMK
> Ric
> Dadventure
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ric at 
> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Feb 27 16:27:46 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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These?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
Stott
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 3:51 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Can someone sent Barry the trailer drawings please? 
I have hard copies in my file and thought I had E copies but can not dig
them out now. 
If nobody can help, I can get to them tomorrow. 
LMK 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164


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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Feb 27 16:37:26 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:37:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <E1rf4ww-008rNf-0d@s152.servername.online>
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Yep 
Thanks 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I assume you're referring to these...
> 
>> On 2024-02-27, at 15:51:25 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone sent Barry the trailer drawings please?
>> I have hard copies in my file and thought I had E copies but can not dig them 
>> out now. 
>> If nobody can help, I can get to them tomorrow.
>> LMK
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ric at 
>> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 16:44:23 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <E29BAEA4-35E1-43A4-9B19-10C9A9634FE1@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CAHrO9mvF1+pkZvmgLjagwmZs-GHEO=SaO7KMyXAMVAVdHEOeRA@mail.gmail.com>
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Barry,

These are the original sketches I made over 20 years ago of a Triad trailer
made to fit the Rhodes 22.
These, along with pictures already posted of another boat lift should give
you a good idea how to modify your lift to approximate the trailer bunks
and bunk spacing to accommodate your Rhodes.

I hope this will hepl.

Todd T.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:51?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Can someone sent Barry the trailer drawings please?
> I have hard copies in my file and thought I had E copies but can not dig
> them out now.
> If nobody can help, I can get to them tomorrow.
> LMK
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:29 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
> will be dealing with.
> > Barry Ruehlen
> > Sv Perseverance 1987
> > Saint James City, Fl
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> >
> > My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
> >
> > Bob
> > Beach Spring
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> >
> > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >
> > For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> > connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under
> the
> > settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> > I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 16:50:04 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR19MB6498126D772C652D69D99C3CC1592@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Barry,

Here are a few pictures or a Triad trailer to give you a visual of the bunk
orientation.

Todd T.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 1:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
> will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 17:26:29 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:26:29 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR19MB6498126D772C652D69D99C3CC1592@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAHrO9mvF1+pkZvmgLjagwmZs-GHEO=SaO7KMyXAMVAVdHEOeRA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiVhHKzaocJz-P26hjOvscADD_cvdCKnXTC-tmb=8tActA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Barry,
              Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
Palmento Fl.  If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
Chris Geankoplis

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
> will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 22:02:01 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:02:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVhHKzaocJz-P26hjOvscADD_cvdCKnXTC-tmb=8tActA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHrO9mvF1+pkZvmgLjagwmZs-GHEO=SaO7KMyXAMVAVdHEOeRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB83785339E380E1B734A3A7F9C6592@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <IA1PR19MB6498126D772C652D69D99C3CC1592@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVhHKzaocJz-P26hjOvscADD_cvdCKnXTC-tmb=8tActA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <724165526.947623.1709089322553@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Barry,
Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes.? I closely mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer.? Our lift is used and came with the flat supports.? It had been used for a 22' powerboat.? I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning the boat.? If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the boat is not on the lift right now.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
    On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hey Barry,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
Palmento Fl.? If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
Chris Geankoplis

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.? We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
> will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Wed Feb 28 11:30:12 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
Don a picture would be very helpful.
 As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
 I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
 Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perserverance '87

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Hi Barry,
Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes.  I closely mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer.  Our lift is used and came with the flat supports.  It had been used for a 22' powerboat.  I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning the boat.  If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the boat is not on the lift right now.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
    On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:

 Hey Barry,
              Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
Palmento Fl.  If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
Chris Geankoplis

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
> will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb 28 12:42:39 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 09:42:39 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
Message-ID: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r@s152.servername.online>

Barry,

On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.

--Peter

> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>  As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read 
> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and 
> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came 
> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the 
> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've 
> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place 
> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and 
> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In 
> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can 
> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me 
> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures 
> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports. 
>  I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the 
> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and 
> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support. 
>  Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration, 
> and I don't want to screw this up. 
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
> 
> 
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 13:25:58 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:25:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beautiful 2009/2014 Rhodes 22 for Sale
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkX64+YNJ2O=JBcFxP0_oZDnFGagRqv=6qEjAqMo4cF2Q@mail.gmail.com>

It is with a heavy heart that I am offering up our lovingly cared for
RADIANT for Sale. The boat has allmost all of the Rhodes upgrades and a
Trident Trailer with new surge disk bakes last year.
She has been trailered and cruised from our home in New Jersey to the
Choptank River in the Chesapeake Bay, to Penobscot Bay in Maine and to the
North Channel above Lake Huron.
If you are in the market for a great Trailerable Cruising Boat, don't miss
this opportunity.
For equipment list and details contact me.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
Jeffphoto at duck.com
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 17:04:47 2024
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:04:47 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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We can certainly tell on our boat where the bunks hit the hull.  But it has
been resting on the bunks for 7 months out of the year for 36 years.

Ken


On February 28, 2024 at 11:37:26?AM, BARRY RUEHLEN (ruehbl at msn.com) wrote:

Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
Don a picture would be very helpful.
As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have
read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes
restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing
to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have
read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to
rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on
it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the
keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for
stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have
read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the
hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great
dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a
Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have
the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main
support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate
bearing support.
Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes
restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perserverance '87

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Hi Barry,
Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes. I closely
mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer. Our
lift is used and came with the flat supports. It had been used for a 22'
powerboat. I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning
the boat. If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the
boat is not on the lift right now.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Barry,
Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
Palmento Fl. If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
Chris Geankoplis

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that
I'm
> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm
assuming
> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but
I'm
> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat. We will try to get away
> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks
I
> will be dealing with.
> Barry Ruehlen
> Sv Perseverance 1987
> Saint James City, Fl
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> winch.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
attachments.
>
> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under
the
> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 17:18:17 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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What a well loved and cherished vessel. I have similar dents on my old
bottom after  73 years, and on my boat.
Chris Geankoplis
Sv XENOS

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 5:04?PM Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:

> We can certainly tell on our boat where the bunks hit the hull.  But it has
> been resting on the bunks for 7 months out of the year for 36 years.
>
> Ken
>
>
> On February 28, 2024 at 11:37:26?AM, BARRY RUEHLEN (ruehbl at msn.com) wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have
> read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes
> restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing
> to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have
> read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to
> rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on
> it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the
> keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for
> stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have
> read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the
> hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great
> dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a
> Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have
> the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main
> support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate
> bearing support.
> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes
> restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
>
> Hi Barry,
> Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes. I closely
> mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer. Our
> lift is used and came with the flat supports. It had been used for a 22'
> powerboat. I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning
> the boat. If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the
> boat is not on the lift right now.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Barry,
> Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
> Palmento Fl. If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
> > next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
> > The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that
> I'm
> > having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
> > only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm
> assuming
> > that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
> > around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but
> I'm
> > not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat. We will try to get away
> > without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
> > attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks
> I
> > will be dealing with.
> > Barry Ruehlen
> > Sv Perseverance 1987
> > Saint James City, Fl
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> >
> > My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
> > and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
> > winch.
> >
> > Bob
> > Beach Spring
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
> >
> > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >
> > For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
> > connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under
> the
> > settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
> > I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Thu Feb 29 08:54:48 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:54:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB6498F87E49C33FFC94EB2F78C15F2@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,
 Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
Best,
Barry
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Barry,

On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.

--Peter

> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>  As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>  I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>  Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
> and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
>
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Thu Feb 29 08:56:14 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:56:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
In-Reply-To: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <IA1PR19MB6498F87E49C33FFC94EB2F78C15F2@IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,
 Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
Best,
Barry
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Barry,

On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.

--Peter

> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>  As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>  I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>  Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
> and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
>
>
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 29 18:14:39 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
Message-ID: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:

Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
3540 Victory Blvd.
Yorktown, VA  23693

-Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 29 20:47:36 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 01:47:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1010445239.1523702.1709257656397@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thank-you Mike.? I have fond memories of Stan's 88th Birthday party at the plant.? I'm not sure I can get to see him by 3/11, but will send him a card.? I recently mailed him a letter with photos.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 08:42:15 PM EST, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.? He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.? He
is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:

Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
3540 Victory Blvd.
Yorktown, VA? 23693

-Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA