From ruehbl at msn.com  Wed Jan  3 09:14:10 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 14:14:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf questions
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Thanks for the input from all. I got very quick response from Charles Gabrial by the way. He will get us the new top donut. All else is actually in very good shape. The pop-top car is going to be fine but Charles says he will be getting some in stock soon, just in case. (I sent him pictures of ours). Can anyone tell me what Charles does, or what his arraignment with Rhodes is? He seems like a great guy and one you should know.
 Today's question is how long is the imf furling supposed to be, and how many wraps are required? Ours has been cut, it appears. I know I have seen the information on other correspondences, but I could not find answers in the archives.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
s/v Perserverance (1986)
Pine Island Fl

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 10:39 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Imf questions

Barry,

Good to hear that your mast is basically in good shape.

I haven't studied the pop-top car closely, but I would guess that it could be duplicated with a hunk of starboard and a tablesaw.  If Charles doesn't come through for you, I'd be willing to try, though I won't be able to get to mine until the tarp comes off in the spring.

Assuming the light at the top of your mast shines 360 degrees, it is your anchor light.  The light on the forward edge of your mast should be your steaming light, which should cover 225 degrees (22.5 degrees abaft the beam on both sides).  These should not both be on at the same time.

Apparently, in least in theory, it is possible to use one pair of wires to power both the steaming light and the anchor light, and only have one illuminated at a time.  This is based on the fact that LED lights are sensitive to polarity.  There's a thread discussing this starting here: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-April/029988.html

I've had my mast top plate off the mast several times over the years.  I can't recall what type of fasteners hold it in place on my boat, but it's not pop-rivets.  I can't see any harm in drilling yours out.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-12-31, at 08:03:56 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> After a full shake out of our mast system, we have found that we are in pretty
> fair shape. Everything appears to be there. The mast and rigging had been stored
> sense we bought the boat a year and a half ago. We had gone through it
> originally but our efforts turned to the boat problems and hurricane damage.
>  We had a bent spreader bolt, and a tortured top tang which are easy fixes. The
> furling donut issue is being addressed with help from the group. Thank you all.
> I have reached out to Charles about a replacement for the "pop top" attachment
> car for the mast. If anyone knows of another means to find or make one, let us
> know. Additionally, we found that we have in-mast wiring issues. Of the two low
> voltage wires that plug into the top deck, only one actually goes all the way to
> the top. The prior owner jumped the one hot wire to service both the masthead
> and deck light. I'm assuming the deck light is the steaming light. If that's the
> case they can't be on at the same time in my belief?? There is not a deck light
> currently in place so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. The two
> questions would be, what is that light just down from the masthead supposed to
> be and has anyone drilled out the two pop-rivets that hold the mast top plate
> on? I would like to remove that top plate to have access to pull all new wire
> including a radio coax. Using the existing wire as a messenger won't really help
> much.
> Best
> Barry Ruehlen
> sv Perserverance '87
> Pine Island Fl
>


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 09:55:21 2024
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 09:55:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Imf questions
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From mputnam at putnampartners.net  Sun Jan  7 18:24:51 2024
From: mputnam at putnampartners.net (Mark Putnam)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 18:24:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
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Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.

Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
to the postage.

You can email me directly at:

MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net

Thanks and all the best,

Mark Putnam
Arlington, VA

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  7 18:41:59 2024
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
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Mark, long time my friend. Do you hear of any extra rudders in the fleet?Best to you and yours in 2024 !
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:25 PM, Mark Putnam<mputnam at putnampartners.net> wrote:   Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.

Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
to the postage.

You can email me directly at:

MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net

Thanks and all the best,

Mark Putnam
Arlington, VA
  

From mputnam at putnampartners.net  Sun Jan  7 19:00:07 2024
From: mputnam at putnampartners.net (Mark Putnam)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:00:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
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Wow, ten minutes after I posted this, I already have a taker. I?m glad
they?re going to a new home. I miss my Rhodes, but I hope one day to return
to the fleet or at least some other sailboat. My best to all of you.
Everyone on this email list and Stan were among the very best parts about
owning an R-22.

Take care, safe sailing, and all the best,

Mark

Mark Putnam
Arlington, VA


On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:24?PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net>
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
> that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
>
> Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
> of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
> brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
> distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
> to the postage.
>
> You can email me directly at:
>
> MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Mark Putnam
> Arlington, VA
>

From mputnam at putnampartners.net  Sun Jan  7 19:06:29 2024
From: mputnam at putnampartners.net (Mark Putnam)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:06:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
In-Reply-To: <2111136155.9863757.1704670919728@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAG0epPNvq=afJ+Eum+zuH4BBMKo-7inAbC4odAQZsA4qpL2MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Art! It?s so great to hear from you! Unfortunately, no, I don?t know of any
rudders ? although my wife certainly keeps me heading in the right
direction!

All the best,

Mark

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:42?PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Mark, long time my friend. Do you hear of any extra rudders in the
> fleet?Best to you and yours in 2024 !
> Art
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:25 PM, Mark Putnam<mputnam at putnampartners.net>
> wrote:   Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought
> recycled
> from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
> that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
>
> Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
> of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
> brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
> distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
> to the postage.
>
> You can email me directly at:
>
> MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Mark Putnam
> Arlington, VA
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 20:42:59 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:42:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAG0epPOmEaDHXsiQFrqnMWHuqVZ=JnAZV=mPu0XJwHaobHOGOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0epPNvq=afJ+Eum+zuH4BBMKo-7inAbC4odAQZsA4qpL2MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMNAZU+D=3vQhcc6_+Y16UR4J5M4ADaEibnt=OfZY-n41Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, of no one else has asked, I could come get them.

Todd T

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 6:25 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net> wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
> that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
>
> Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
> of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
> brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
> distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
> to the postage.
>
> You can email me directly at:
>
> MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Mark Putnam
> Arlington, VA
>

From mputnam at putnampartners.net  Sun Jan  7 20:59:32 2024
From: mputnam at putnampartners.net (Mark Putnam)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNAZU+D=3vQhcc6_+Y16UR4J5M4ADaEibnt=OfZY-n41Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0epPNvq=afJ+Eum+zuH4BBMKo-7inAbC4odAQZsA4qpL2MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Todd, thank you for the offer. I already had someone else offer to come
get the seats, but if that doesn?t happen for some reason, I?ll get right
back to you. Thanks again,

Mark


On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:43?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark, of no one else has asked, I could come get them.
>
> Todd T
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 6:25 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> > from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> > pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective
> bags)
> > that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
> >
> > Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
> > of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them
> in
> > brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad
> or
> > distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you
> commit
> > to the postage.
> >
> > You can email me directly at:
> >
> > MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
> >
> > Thanks and all the best,
> >
> > Mark Putnam
> > Arlington, VA
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 22:09:14 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 22:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAG0epPOmEaDHXsiQFrqnMWHuqVZ=JnAZV=mPu0XJwHaobHOGOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0epPNvq=afJ+Eum+zuH4BBMKo-7inAbC4odAQZsA4qpL2MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Mark,
That is a very kind offer. I would love to have them. Can you let me know
what the shipping charges would be to zip 66502 ( Manhattan KS)

Chris Geankoplis

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:31?PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net>
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective bags)
> that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
>
> Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the cost
> of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them in
> brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad or
> distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you commit
> to the postage.
>
> You can email me directly at:
>
> MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Mark Putnam
> Arlington, VA
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 22:46:44 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 22:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAG0epPPXMyfWOzgbhS=GXGXV22m5nzsnnZAq7=wC_3HdQhWFeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0epPNvq=afJ+Eum+zuH4BBMKo-7inAbC4odAQZsA4qpL2MBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMO5SQc8sce+P3N5EqufS=yTcQJ-KRsjLm7PMfYK_JbMoA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark.

Sorry, the email thread was compressed, and I did see that after I replied.

Thanks for keeping me in mind.

Todd T

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 8:59 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net> wrote:

> Hi Todd, thank you for the offer. I already had someone else offer to come
> get the seats, but if that doesn?t happen for some reason, I?ll get right
> back to you. Thanks again,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:43?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark, of no one else has asked, I could come get them.
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 6:25 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> > > from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> > > pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective
> > bags)
> > > that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
> > >
> > > Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the
> cost
> > > of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them
> > in
> > > brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad
> > or
> > > distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you
> > commit
> > > to the postage.
> > >
> > > You can email me directly at:
> > >
> > > MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
> > >
> > > Thanks and all the best,
> > >
> > > Mark Putnam
> > > Arlington, VA
> > >
> >
>

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 00:24:05 2024
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 21:24:05 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Two captains seats for just the cost of shipping
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 5:59 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net> wrote:

> Hi Todd, thank you for the offer. I already had someone else offer to come
> get the seats, but if that doesn?t happen for some reason, I?ll get right
> back to you. Thanks again,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:43?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark, of no one else has asked, I could come get them.
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 6:25 PM Mark Putnam <mputnam at putnampartners.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone, I am a former owner of a 1990s R-22 that I bought recycled
> > > from Stan in the mid 2000s. I sold my boat back to Stan just before the
> > > pandemic. I recently came across two captains seats (plus protective
> > bags)
> > > that I couldn?t find at the time I sent the boat back to Stan.
> > >
> > > Would anyone like them? All I would ask is to be compensated for the
> cost
> > > of the postage. I never used them and I don?t remember if I bought them
> > in
> > > brand new condition or not. They have a few scuff marks but nothing bad
> > or
> > > distracting. I am happy to send photos if you would like before you
> > commit
> > > to the postage.
> > >
> > > You can email me directly at:
> > >
> > > MPutnam at PutnamPartners.net
> > >
> > > Thanks and all the best,
> > >
> > > Mark Putnam
> > > Arlington, VA
> > >
> >
>

From oehecht at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 12:53:15 2024
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
In-Reply-To: <F7D3D21A-92A3-4B02-BC19-70103EB6EDE2@verizon.net>
References: <F2E6CB99-FAF9-44A3-BA33-B285FF806400@tds.net>
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Message-ID: <CAGUHJmQoYFCLb28sauhqHmbgXnJZSkPhztNpxuFKtfZJj-+3Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for letting us all know - we're thinking about Stan a lot these
days and wishing him the best!

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 11:15?PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thank you Mike, Rebecca and I are smiling at the thought of him and his
> tales.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:53?PM, Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Mike,
> > Thanks so much for keeping us all updated.
> > Please say Happy New Year to Stan and tell him we are sending healing
> vibes from Vermont.
> > Bring on 2024 for a return to peace and love and a great sailing season
> with a lot less rain ( at least up north here around Lake Champlain!)
> > Cheers
> > Graham Parker
> > Sv 00Sailin
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 31, 2023, at 2:24?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room
> 411.
> >> He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
> >> sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
> >> received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they
> really
> >> lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you
> .  .
> >> .  the stories he is telling!
> >> Happy New Year to all.
> >>
> >> -Mike Corley
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
> >>> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general
> health
> >>> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there
> for
> >>> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a
> card
> >>> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
> >>>
> >>> Stan Spitzer
> >>> c/o Mike Corley
> >>> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
> >>> Smithfield, VA  23430
> >>>
> >>> Mike Corley
> >>> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
> >>> Hampton Roads, VA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Jan 19 19:07:39 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:07:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>

Happy New Year to all.

I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
"Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to find
stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .

Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?

Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
Baltimore, MD.

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 20:25:26 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX53NACt9HMdUzsSvUFFG5e4mDxd=j3SdydgTZDmru9-w@mail.gmail.com>

My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
the bottom I hope.

Chris G
Kansas Xenos
(But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Happy New Year to all.
>
> I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to find
> stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
> can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
> deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
>
> Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Baltimore, MD.
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 20:48:06 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:48:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
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On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 8:25?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
> lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
> safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
> hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
> welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
> Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
> robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
> the bottom I hope.
>
> Chris G
> Kansas Xenos
> (But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year to all.
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
>> "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
>> might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to
>> find
>> stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
>> Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
>> can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
>> deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
>>
>> Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
>>
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>> Baltimore, MD.
>>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jan 19 21:15:29 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:15:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
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Hi Tom,

In 1987, I fabricated a set of SS railings.  At the time, I was living in Russellville, AR.  There were 2 nuclear power plants in town.  These 2 nuke plants always seemed to be in the middle of some construction project or another.  The result of all this construction was a tremendous amount of 316L SS pipe and bar stock available at the local scrap yard at very attractive prices.  My railings are made from 3/4?, schedule 40 pipe and the stanchion mounts were milled from solid 316L SS bar stock.  The backing plates are ?? thick 316L SS bar stock, drilled and tapped for ?-20UNC threads, 4 per backing plate.  I had access to a powerful hydraulic pipe bender and a MIG welder.  The picture shows the finished project:

[cid:image002.png at 01DA4B1D.6771D8A0]
Note the little black plastic triangular wedges under each of the stanchions.  These are made of black UHMWPE and screwed into the rub rail.  The purpose of these plastic wedges is to prevent lines from getting caught under the stanchion mounts during a tack of a gibe.  Perhaps the most labor intensive operation of the project was finishing the railings.  Schedule 40 pipe has a 2B mill finish, which is a dull gray.  I ended up being satisfied with a satin bright finish that was produced with a wire brush on a drill.  Polishing all this pipe to a mirror finish would have required 4-5X more labor hours.

I recommend you NOT use the stanchions from the catalog.  As the picture shows, the stanchion extends over the top of the bump in the side rail.  Unless you fill it in somehow, mounting this stanchion as illustrated in the picture will leave an uncleanable dead space between the back of the stanchion mount and the toe rail.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 5:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Tom Hyatt<mailto:thyatt at mica.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails

My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
the bottom I hope.

Chris G
Kansas Xenos
(But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Happy New Year to all.
>
> I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to find
> stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
> can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
> deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
>
> Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Baltimore, MD.
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 22:15:49 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX53NACt9HMdUzsSvUFFG5e4mDxd=j3SdydgTZDmru9-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMMmweWtvrCeKg3ia_agAkwbzkovMeK+veevY0qJg9FEhA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, where did you get those fittings? Did you get them from GB or
fabricate them yourself?

Todd T

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 8:25 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
> lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
> safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
> hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
> welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
> Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
> robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
> the bottom I hope.
>
> Chris G
> Kansas Xenos
> (But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Happy New Year to all.
> >
> > I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> > "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> > might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to
> find
> > stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> > Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
> > can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
> > deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
> >
> > Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> > Baltimore, MD.
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 07:32:25 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
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References: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Todd,
Yes I got them when I visited Edenton a few years ago.
Chris G
Xenos

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 10:16?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, where did you get those fittings? Did you get them from GB or
> fabricate them yourself?
>
> Todd T
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 8:25 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
> > lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
> > safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might
> be
> > hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a
> local
> > welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
> > Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each
> had
> > robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
> > the bottom I hope.
> >
> > Chris G
> > Kansas Xenos
> > (But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Happy New Year to all.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> > > "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> > > might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to
> > find
> > > stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> > > Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I
> know I
> > > can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up
> the
> > > deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
> > >
> > > Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
> > >
> > > Tom Hyatt
> > > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> > > Baltimore, MD.
> > >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 07:42:48 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
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Out, Roger,
Very interesting about your nuclear powered rails!  The photo of the red
boat is not a catalog photo but mine. However you were right about the dead
space. We eventually filled it with an epoxy or silicone, can?t remember
which. 3 years in they are working fine. Your solution, however will be
around when U235 decays and is harmless. Any big plans for summer?
Chris G
XENOS

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 9:22?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> In 1987, I fabricated a set of SS railings.  At the time, I was living in
> Russellville, AR.  There were 2 nuclear power plants in town.  These 2 nuke
> plants always seemed to be in the middle of some construction project or
> another.  The result of all this construction was a tremendous amount of
> 316L SS pipe and bar stock available at the local scrap yard at very
> attractive prices.  My railings are made from 3/4?, schedule 40 pipe and
> the stanchion mounts were milled from solid 316L SS bar stock.  The backing
> plates are ?? thick 316L SS bar stock, drilled and tapped for ?-20UNC
> threads, 4 per backing plate.  I had access to a powerful hydraulic pipe
> bender and a MIG welder.  The picture shows the finished project:
>
> [cid:image002.png at 01DA4B1D.6771D8A0]
> Note the little black plastic triangular wedges under each of the
> stanchions.  These are made of black UHMWPE and screwed into the rub rail.
> The purpose of these plastic wedges is to prevent lines from getting caught
> under the stanchion mounts during a tack of a gibe.  Perhaps the most labor
> intensive operation of the project was finishing the railings.  Schedule 40
> pipe has a 2B mill finish, which is a dull gray.  I ended up being
> satisfied with a satin bright finish that was produced with a wire brush on
> a drill.  Polishing all this pipe to a mirror finish would have required
> 4-5X more labor hours.
>
> I recommend you NOT use the stanchions from the catalog.  As the picture
> shows, the stanchion extends over the top of the bump in the side rail.
> Unless you fill it in somehow, mounting this stanchion as illustrated in
> the picture will leave an uncleanable dead space between the back of the
> stanchion mount and the toe rail.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 5:25 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Tom
> Hyatt<mailto:thyatt at mica.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
>
> My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
> lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
> safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
> hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
> welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
> Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
> robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
> the bottom I hope.
>
> Chris G
> Kansas Xenos
> (But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Happy New Year to all.
> >
> > I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> > "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> > might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to
> find
> > stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> > Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
> > can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
> > deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
> >
> > Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> > Baltimore, MD.
> >
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 10:34:46 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMmweWtvrCeKg3ia_agAkwbzkovMeK+veevY0qJg9FEhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>
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For what it is worth, I remember reading one of Stan's pithy comments 
from years ago in which? he didn't recommend installing lifelines on the 
Rhodes 22. His observation was that for the stanchion height to be 
proportional to the length of the boat they would be at the proper 
height to catch you behind the knees as you were heading overboard 
ensuring only that you would hit the water head first. Made me think 
twice about it.

Graham Stewart

Agile 1976

On 1/19/2024 10:15 PM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> Chris, where did you get those fittings? Did you get them from GB or
> fabricate them yourself?
>
> Todd T
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 8:25 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
>> lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
>> safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
>> hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
>> welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
>> Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
>> robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
>> the bottom I hope.
>>
>> Chris G
>> Kansas Xenos
>> (But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Happy New Year to all.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
>>> "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
>>> might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to
>> find
>>> stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
>>> Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
>>> can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
>>> deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
>>>
>>> Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
>>>
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
>>> Baltimore, MD.
>>>
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 20:32:18 2024
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 19:32:18 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale: New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
Message-ID: <419F1A60-BDD5-4DC1-B12B-DCE38B2625BD@gmail.com>

New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
Brand new Furling Neil Pryde Radial Cut Main 5.3 oz Challenge Fabric with Sunbrella Navy trim. I ordered it throuhg Potomac Sailmakers and received it in Feb 2023. It has never been out of the sail bag. $800 (UPS gorung S&I included to lower 48).
Brand New Doyle OEM Furling 130 Geona, purcahsed from Genral Boats in August 2022. Sail has OEM Navy Sunbrella trim, and has never left the bag. $950 (UPS gorung S&I included to lower 48)

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 10:50:59 2024
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 07:50:59 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale: New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <419F1A60-BDD5-4DC1-B12B-DCE38B2625BD@gmail.com>
References: <419F1A60-BDD5-4DC1-B12B-DCE38B2625BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK_z4DryLUW4kJFg+hVnF2Rva1Ud2+KdkP1+J2uzxP3fMmDkMA@mail.gmail.com>

I would like the Main Sail.

Ken


On January 21, 2024 at 8:42:58?PM, Rodney Brown (rnelson204 at gmail.com)
wrote:

New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
Brand new Furling Neil Pryde Radial Cut Main 5.3 oz Challenge Fabric with
Sunbrella Navy trim. I ordered it throuhg Potomac Sailmakers and received
it in Feb 2023. It has never been out of the sail bag. $800 (UPS gorung S&I
included to lower 48).
Brand New Doyle OEM Furling 130 Geona, purcahsed from Genral Boats in
August 2022. Sail has OEM Navy Sunbrella trim, and has never left the bag.
$950 (UPS gorung S&I included to lower 48)

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 11:25:07 2024
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:25:07 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale: New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <CAK_z4DryLUW4kJFg+hVnF2Rva1Ud2+KdkP1+J2uzxP3fMmDkMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK_z4DryLUW4kJFg+hVnF2Rva1Ud2+KdkP1+J2uzxP3fMmDkMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDD989D8-AA88-49F4-9E74-18CE0BC7E6C0@gmail.com>


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 11:35:11 2024
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:35:11 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale: New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <CDD989D8-AA88-49F4-9E74-18CE0BC7E6C0@gmail.com>
References: <CDD989D8-AA88-49F4-9E74-18CE0BC7E6C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BEF120B-08C3-49AB-B65B-E4ABD9411769@gmail.com>


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 11:55:12 2024
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:55:12 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale: New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <419F1A60-BDD5-4DC1-B12B-DCE38B2625BD@gmail.com>
References: <419F1A60-BDD5-4DC1-B12B-DCE38B2625BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B477676A-B3F7-400D-AE3E-A8E70633903E@gmail.com>

The Main has been sold, the Doyle Geona is still for sale.


> On Jan 21, 2024, at 7:32?PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> New in the bag Main and OEM 130 Genoa
> Brand new Furling Neil Pryde Radial Cut Main 5.3 oz Challenge Fabric with Sunbrella Navy trim. I ordered it throuhg Potomac Sailmakers and received it in Feb 2023. It has never been out of the sail bag. $800 (UPS gorung S&I included to lower 48).
> Brand New Doyle OEM Furling 130 Geona, purcahsed from Genral Boats in August 2022. Sail has OEM Navy Sunbrella trim, and has never left the bag. $950 (UPS gorung S&I included to lower 48)


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jan 22 18:00:12 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:00:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails
In-Reply-To: <CY8PR10MB6683D0731E3755D6734BF56D80772@CY8PR10MB6683.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEhtY2L+Lv92NKgnn-tdtPnvx6H783r=2rV6-YMfWjhUKpB6SA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tom,

If you are a member of the Rhodes Owner?s Cooperative (ROC), you can order all the pieces/parts you would need to have SS railings.  The attached table is a current price list.  I Know I paid more than $1095 for just the raw SS pipe, bar stock, and MIG welding wire for my life rails back in 1987 and I did all the fabrication work myself + the installation.  If you?ve looked at the price of SS lately, you will quickly realize Stan?s price is a screaming good deal!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI


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________________________________
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 6:15:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails


Hi Tom,



In 1987, I fabricated a set of SS railings.  At the time, I was living in Russellville, AR.  There were 2 nuclear power plants in town.  These 2 nuke plants always seemed to be in the middle of some construction project or another.  The result of all this construction was a tremendous amount of 316L SS pipe and bar stock available at the local scrap yard at very attractive prices.  My railings are made from 3/4?, schedule 40 pipe and the stanchion mounts were milled from solid 316L SS bar stock.  The backing plates are ?? thick 316L SS bar stock, drilled and tapped for ?-20UNC threads, 4 per backing plate.  I had access to a powerful hydraulic pipe bender and a MIG welder.  The picture shows the finished project:



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Note the little black plastic triangular wedges under each of the stanchions.  These are made of black UHMWPE and screwed into the rub rail.  The purpose of these plastic wedges is to prevent lines from getting caught under the stanchion mounts during a tack of a gibe.  Perhaps the most labor intensive operation of the project was finishing the railings.  Schedule 40 pipe has a 2B mill finish, which is a dull gray.  I ended up being satisfied with a satin bright finish that was produced with a wire brush on a drill.  Polishing all this pipe to a mirror finish would have required 4-5X more labor hours.



I recommend you NOT use the stanchions from the catalog.  As the picture shows, the stanchion extends over the top of the bump in the side rail.  Unless you fill it in somehow, mounting this stanchion as illustrated in the picture will leave an uncleanable dead space between the back of the stanchion mount and the toe rail.



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

1978  Sanford, MI



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From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 5:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Tom Hyatt<mailto:thyatt at mica.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rails



My son and I installed 6-8 of these fittings on our boat to create
lifelines and netting and to extend the tubular railing to provide more
safety around the cockpit. The brackets I picked up at Stan?s. It might be
hard to get though you might ask Charlie. Worst case you could have a local
welder who works with 316 stainless to make you up a 1/2 dozen or so.
Mounting them on the outside kept the decks open. Of course, they each had
robust backing plates. The project worked out fine. The photo will be at
the bottom I hope.

Chris G
Kansas Xenos
(But on board Enosis II in, warm for now, Florida)

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:07?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Happy New Year to all.
>
> I'm looking for a set of rails (described on the Rhode parts website as
> "Life Rails'') for my R22.. Does anyone have any information on where I
> might be able to find them? Alternatively, it might be just as good to find
> stanchions that would fit on the raised ridges at the gunwales of the
> Rhodes. From those I could add my own lines or horizontal rails. I know I
> can find deck-mounted stanchions but I'm not interested in giving up the
> deck space for walking from the cockpit forward. .
>
> Has anyone DIY'd side rails or lines? Any tips or suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane, 1978
> Baltimore, MD.
>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 13:35:09 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able to
see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
[image: image.png]
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mike
> Great point but....
> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not sure,
> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the water
> in the bilge
> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
> bilge.
> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
> bilge.
> Its a puzzle
> --Reuben
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Reuben,
>>
>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter sounded
>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>
>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after
>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge, the
>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come from
>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was greater
>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The salinity
>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>
>> Ric
>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last
>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>> Cell:410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>
>> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much -
>> and then not leak at all.
>> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
>> the centerboard cap.
>> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above
>> the pivot pin.
>> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
>> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it
>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as
>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
>> realized what happened.
>> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the
>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The photos explains what happed.
>> > It took me all winter to fix it.
>> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
>> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> > O -631-283-1777
>> > C- 516-965-3164
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Reuben,
>> >>
>> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>> >>
>> >> Peter Nyberg
>> >> Coventry, CT
>> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> >>
>> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
>> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about
>> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
>> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part
>> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
>> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
>> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
>> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
>> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
>> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk).
>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>> >>> --Reuben
>> >>> Reuben Mezrich
>> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jan 27 15:08:36 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:08:36 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
Message-ID: <E1rToyi-002zOw-11@s152.servername.online>

Reuben,

In my experience, this is normal.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2024-01-27, at 13:35:09 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>
> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able to see 
> the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang down below 
> the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal 
> [image: image.png]
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 
> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png" 
> target="_blank">image.png</a> 
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Jan 27 15:22:32 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 15:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <E1rToyi-002zOw-11@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rToyi-002zOw-11@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <A66047E3-8672-4511-BCF8-F7A3F064EB69@stottarchitecture.com>

Mine does that too. If I pull even harder on the pendant, I can get it all the way up in the trunk.  I think it ?two-blocks? the pendant turning blocks in the pendant rig. 
See attached. 
It?s a pic of the top of the CB (Blade Style) and the UK purchased turning blocks that make up the pendant rigging. 
Ric
Dadventure
Hamptin Bays NY 

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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2024, at 3:08?PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Reuben,
> 
> In my experience, this is normal.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2024-01-27, at 13:35:09 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>> 
>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able to see
>> the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang down below
>> the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
>> [image: image.png]
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <a
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png"
>> target="_blank">image.png</a>
>> 
> 

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 15:51:43 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 15:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Yes, that is how mine looks.

Graham

Agile 1976

On 1/27/2024 1:35 PM, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able to
> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> [image: image.png]
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike
>> Great point but....
>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not sure,
>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the water
>> in the bilge
>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
>> bilge.
>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
>> bilge.
>> Its a puzzle
>> --Reuben
>>
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner<mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Reuben,
>>>
>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter sounded
>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>>
>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after
>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge, the
>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come from
>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was greater
>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The salinity
>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf Of
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>>
>>> Ric
>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last
>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>>> Cell:410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott<ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much -
>>> and then not leak at all.
>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
>>> the centerboard cap.
>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above
>>> the pivot pin.
>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it
>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as
>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
>>> realized what happened.
>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the
>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
>>>> The photos explains what happed.
>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Reuben,
>>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about
>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part
>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk).
>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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-- 
Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 27 18:11:29 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 23:11:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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 Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that the weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
    On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able to
see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
[image: image.png]
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mike
> Great point but....
> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not sure,
> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the water
> in the bilge
> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
> bilge.
> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
> bilge.
> Its a puzzle
> --Reuben
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Reuben,
>>
>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter sounded
>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>
>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after
>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge, the
>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come from
>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was greater
>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The salinity
>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>
>> Ric
>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last
>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>> Cell:410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>
>> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that much -
>> and then not leak at all.
>> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
>> the centerboard cap.
>> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right above
>> the pivot pin.
>> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
>> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it
>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>> > Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position before
>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound as
>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
>> realized what happened.
>> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the
>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The photos explains what happed.
>> > It took me all winter to fix it.
>> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
>> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> > O -631-283-1777
>> > C- 516-965-3164
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Reuben,
>> >>
>> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>> >>
>> >> Peter Nyberg
>> >> Coventry, CT
>> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> >>
>> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
>> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about
>> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
>> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part
>> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
>> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
>> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
>> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
>> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
>> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk).
>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>> >>> --Reuben
>> >>> Reuben Mezrich
>> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 06:07:22 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 06:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Don
I was taught just the opposite...and
From Practical Sailor
"Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be at
least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that the
> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able
> to
> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> [image: image.png]
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike
> > Great point but....
> > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not sure,
> > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the water
> > in the bilge
> > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
> > bilge.
> > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
> > bilge.
> > Its a puzzle
> > --Reuben
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Reuben,
> >>
> >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> sounded
> >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>
> >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left after
> >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge,
> the
> >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come
> from
> >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> greater
> >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> salinity
> >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>
> >> Ric
> >> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races last
> >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
> >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >> Cell:410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>
> >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much -
> >> and then not leak at all.
> >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
> >> the centerboard cap.
> >> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right above
> >> the pivot pin.
> >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
> >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
> >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so it
> >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
> >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound
> as
> >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
> >> realized what happened.
> >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from the
> >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart attack.
> >> >
> >> > The photos explains what happed.
> >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
> >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> > O -631-283-1777
> >> > C- 516-965-3164
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Reuben,
> >> >>
> >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >> >>
> >> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> >> Coventry, CT
> >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >> >>
> >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
> >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering about
> >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
> >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in part
> >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
> >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
> >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
> >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
> >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard trunk).
> >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >> >>> --Reuben
> >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 06:51:43 2024
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 06:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Don
> I was taught just the opposite...and
> From Practical Sailor
> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be at
> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >  Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that the
> > weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able
> > to
> > see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
> > down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > [image: image.png]
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mike
> > > Great point but....
> > > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> sure,
> > > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> water
> > > in the bilge
> > > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
> > > bilge.
> > > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
> > > bilge.
> > > Its a puzzle
> > > --Reuben
> > >
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Reuben,
> > >>
> > >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > sounded
> > >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>
> > >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> after
> > >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge,
> > the
> > >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come
> > from
> > >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> > greater
> > >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > salinity
> > >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>
> > >> Ric
> > >> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> last
> > >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
> > >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much
> -
> > >> and then not leak at all.
> > >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
> > >> the centerboard cap.
> > >> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> above
> > >> the pivot pin.
> > >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
> > >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
> > >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so
> it
> > >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
> > >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound
> > as
> > >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
> > >> realized what happened.
> > >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> the
> > >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> attack.
> > >> >
> > >> > The photos explains what happed.
> > >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> > >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
> > >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >> > O -631-283-1777
> > >> > C- 516-965-3164
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reuben,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Peter Nyberg
> > >> >> Coventry, CT
> > >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
> > >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> about
> > >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
> > >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> part
> > >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> > >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
> > >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
> > >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
> > >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
> > >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> trunk).
> > >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >> >>> --Reuben
> > >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
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> > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > >> > Size: 106876 bytes
> > >> > Desc: not available
> > >> > URL:
> > >> > <
> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > >> > dca0/attachment.jpeg>
> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > >> > scrubbed...
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> > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > >> > Size: 144731 bytes
> > >> > Desc: not available
> > >> > URL: <
> > >>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
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> > >
> >
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 09:37:58 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:37:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I suspect
they won't believe it
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don
> > I was taught just the opposite...and
> > From Practical Sailor
> > "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> > only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> > shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> at
> > least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
> > rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that
> the
> > > weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > > Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> able
> > > to
> > > see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> hang
> > > down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > > [image: image.png]
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Great point but....
> > > > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > sure,
> > > > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > water
> > > > in the bilge
> > > > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > Its a puzzle
> > > > --Reuben
> > > >
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Reuben,
> > > >>
> > > >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > > sounded
> > > >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > > >>
> > > >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > after
> > > >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> bilge,
> > > the
> > > >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> come
> > > from
> > > >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> > > greater
> > > >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > > salinity
> > > >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > > >>
> > > >> Ric
> > > >> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> > last
> > > >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > > >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > > >> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> more
> > > >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Cell:410-499-8922
> > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > > >> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > > >> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> much
> > -
> > > >> and then not leak at all.
> > > >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> on
> > > >> the centerboard cap.
> > > >> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> > above
> > > >> the pivot pin.
> > > >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > > >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > > >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> of
> > > >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> too
> > > >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > > >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> so
> > it
> > > >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > > >> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> before
> > > >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > > >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> sound
> > > as
> > > >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > > >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> before I
> > > >> realized what happened.
> > > >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > the
> > > >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > attack.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The photos explains what happed.
> > > >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > > >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> 22.
> > > >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> when
> > > >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >> > O -631-283-1777
> > > >> > C- 516-965-3164
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Reuben,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Peter Nyberg
> > > >> >> Coventry, CT
> > > >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> to
> > > >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > about
> > > >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> on
> > > >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > part
> > > >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> > > >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> I'm
> > > >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top
> > > >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> leak.
> > > >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> unlikely
> > > >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > > >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > trunk).
> > > >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > > >> >>> --Reuben
> > > >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > > >> > scrubbed...
> > > >> > Name: IMG_2667.jpeg
> > > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > > >> > Size: 106876 bytes
> > > >> > Desc: not available
> > > >> > URL:
> > > >> > <
> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > > >> > dca0/attachment.jpeg>
> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > > >> > scrubbed...
> > > >> > Name: IMG_2665.jpeg
> > > >> > Type: image/jpeg
> > > >> > Size: 144731 bytes
> > > >> > Desc: not available
> > > >> > URL: <
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > Name: image.png
> > > Type: image/png
> > > Size: 305494 bytes
> > > Desc: not available
> > > URL: <
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 28 12:38:43 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 17:38:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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 I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the information you are interested in.? I believe there has been a previous discussion of this topic on the list.? Perhaps you can find what you are looking for there.
Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the bunks, not on the keel.
Don Simons,? ? Old Forge, NY
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I suspect
they won't believe it
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don
> > I was taught just the opposite...and
> > From Practical Sailor
> > "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> > only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> > shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> at
> > least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
> > rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > >? Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that
> the
> > > weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > > Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >? ? On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >? So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> able
> > > to
> > > see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> hang
> > > down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > > [image: image.png]
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Great point but....
> > > > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > sure,
> > > > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > water
> > > > in the bilge
> > > > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > Its a puzzle
> > > > --Reuben
> > > >
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Reuben,
> > > >>
> > > >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > > sounded
> > > >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > > >>
> > > >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > after
> > > >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> bilge,
> > > the
> > > >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> come
> > > from
> > > >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> > > greater
> > > >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > > salinity
> > > >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > > >>
> > > >> Ric
> > > >> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> > last
> > > >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > > >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > > >> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> more
> > > >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Cell:410-499-8922
> > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > > >> > I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > > >> > I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that
> much
> > -
> > > >> and then not leak at all.
> > > >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> on
> > > >> the centerboard cap.
> > > >> > When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right
> > above
> > > >> the pivot pin.
> > > >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > > >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > > >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> of
> > > >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> too
> > > >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > > >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> so
> > it
> > > >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > > >> > Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position
> before
> > > >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > > >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> sound
> > > as
> > > >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > > >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> before I
> > > >> realized what happened.
> > > >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > the
> > > >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > attack.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The photos explains what happed.
> > > >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > > >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> 22.
> > > >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> when
> > > >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >> > O -631-283-1777
> > > >> > C- 516-965-3164
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Reuben,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Peter Nyberg
> > > >> >> Coventry, CT
> > > >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> to
> > > >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > about
> > > >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> on
> > > >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > part
> > > >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> > > >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> I'm
> > > >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top
> > > >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> leak.
> > > >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> unlikely
> > > >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > > >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > trunk).
> > > >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > > >> >>> --Reuben
> > > >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 13:09:50 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:09:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
In-Reply-To: <2061738887.1049081.1706463523194@mail.yahoo.com>
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When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a 
plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as 
it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a 
massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the 
centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel 
without the plank in place.

Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so 
that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of 
the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material 
that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth 
thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. 
Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin 
into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through 
the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.

Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.


Graham Stewart

Agile 1976

On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the information you are interested in.? I believe there has been a previous discussion of this topic on the list.? Perhaps you can find what you are looking for there.
> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the bunks, not on the keel.
> Don Simons,? ? Old Forge, NY
>      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
>   
>   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I suspect
> they won't believe it
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don
>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
>>>  From Practical Sailor
>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
>> at
>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
>>>
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ? Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that
>> the
>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
>>>>  ? ? On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ? So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
>> able
>>>> to
>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
>> hang
>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> Great point but....
>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
>>> sure,
>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
>>> water
>>>>> in the bilge
>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
>> the
>>>>> bilge.
>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
>> the
>>>>> bilge.
>>>>> Its a puzzle
>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>
>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
>>>> sounded
>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
>>> after
>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
>> bilge,
>>>> the
>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
>> come
>>>> from
>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
>>>> greater
>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
>>>> salinity
>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
>>> last
>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
>> more
>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that
>> much
>>> -
>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
>> on
>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right
>>> above
>>>>>> the pivot pin.
>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
>> of
>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
>> too
>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
>> so
>>> it
>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position
>> before
>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
>> sound
>>>> as
>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
>> before I
>>>>>> realized what happened.
>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
>>> the
>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
>>> attack.
>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
>> 22.
>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
>> when
>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Reuben,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
>> to
>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
>> on
>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
>>> part
>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
>> top
>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
>> leak.
>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
>> unlikely
>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
>>> trunk).
>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <
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>    
-- 
Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 31 12:50:18 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (sea20 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
References: <494611696.1833045.1706723418741.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <494611696.1833045.1706723418741@mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all, I have been noticing the cockpit floor on our Rhodes22 getting softer each year. This year I kept the boat outside and during a hard freeze I knew it was time. I read roger's e-mail from 2001 and it made the job sound very doable. Has anyone else had experience with stringer and foam replacement in the cockpit?
Scott Andrews

From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 31 20:45:38 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
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