[Rhodes22-list] Mooring advice

Mon Jun 10 22:54:11 EDT 2024

Hi Roger 
I had both my hips replaced in 2007. 
Had a revision to the left one due to metalosis. I had a Birmingham hip because I was an athlete and wanted full range of motion with no chance of a dislocation. 
Anyway, they have been great since.All my best to you for a speedy recovery. Pain free is a whole new outlook. 
Enjoy it. 
Ric
Sv Dadventure. 

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> On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:27 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Art,
> 
> I’m in the hospital getting a hip replacement.  I’m supposed to be discharged tomorrow afternoon.  I will try to call you then.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:47 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger,
>> Would you give a call at 404 295-7777 when convenient. I am going to sell Mary Jane soon and would appreciate your advise.
>> Appreciate your posts.
>> Art Czerwonky
>> 
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>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
>> 
>> So attach the mooring line to the lower ring with an eye splice, thimble, and shackle.  Route the mooring line around the ball, thru the top ring, and to the boat.  With no knot or other attachment at the top ring, the load will be transferred to the lower ring.  But, the mooring line will still be easily grabbed with your boat hook.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2024, at 9:43 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is the one thing the  city specified is that they want the pennant
>>> attached to the bottom of the mooring though several of the boats use the
>>> top ring.  If I can get away with using the top, it is much simpler.  Is it
>>> strong enough?  Would two lines, one though both chocks be better?
>>> 
>>> If I were to use a “safety line” (second line) where would I attach it.
>>> Same place as the primary so it doesn’t twist when the boat swings?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 8:19 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Matt,
>>>> 
>>>> On mooring balls I’ve used, there is a steel rod running thru the center
>>>> of the ball from top to bottom.  The chain to the anchor attaches to a ring
>>>> at the bottom.  The mooring line to the boat attaches to a ring on the top
>>>> of the ball.  The steel rod connects everything together.  With the mooring
>>>> line attached to the top of the ball, it doesn’t need a float.  It is just
>>>> hanging off the top of the ball waiting to be snagged with a boat hook.  If
>>>> the mooring line is attached to the bottom of the mooring ball, you either
>>>> need to use floating line like polypropylene or a float.  Otherwise, the
>>>> line will be underwater and difficult to snag.  Polypropylene line is not
>>>> as strong as nylon and less UV resistant.  How was your mooring setup?
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 1978. Sanford MI
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2024, at 8:26 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would use 3/8” nylon double braid with an eye splice and a thimble and
>>>> shackle at the mooring ball.  Use of a thimble and shackle will greatly
>>>> reduce chafe.  But, keep an eye on it anyway.  A properly done eye splice
>>>> is nearly as strong as the line itself, much stronger than any knot.  Don’t
>>>> forget to safety wire your shackles.  I like to run the mooring line thru
>>>> the bow eye (the one you broke) and then up to the bow line chock and
>>>> cleat.  Using the bow eye lowers the point of attachment on the boat, thus
>>>> reducing the loads.  But, there are others on the Rhodes list that prefer
>>>> to just run the line up to the line chock and cleat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/C S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry for the confusion. How should I attach the nylon mooring line from
>>>>>> the boat? Currently my mooring line is a chain and is attached to a
>>>> shackle
>>>>>> directly underneath the mooring ball. Do I tie a knot to that shackle or
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The owners of the mooring is the City of White Bear Lake.    They have
>>>>>> loose guidelines but do not specify mooring pennant material.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 6:34 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>>> So the line from the bottom of the mooring ball is leading to the
>>>> anchor?
>>>>>>> I like to use all chain with a shackle and swivel at the mooring
>>>> ball.  It
>>>>>>> it somewhat controversial whether to use a swivel or not and where to
>>>> put
>>>>>>> it.  I like to put it at the mooring ball because I can inspect it and
>>>>>>> replace it relatively easily.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m surprised the owners of your mooring field don’t have their own
>>>>>>> rigging guidelines.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2024, at 11:21 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks guys,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What’s the best way to attach a line to the bottom of the mooring
>>>> ball. A
>>>>>>>> metal shackle and bowline? Anchor hitch?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The fiberglass appears to be totally intact.  I never found the U ring
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> one of the bolts was still in there broken cleanly some rust present
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> backing plate on my 1990 boat appears to be wood and there was no
>>>> metal
>>>>>>>> plate present either on the outside or inside. We had a sudden gust
>>>> about
>>>>>>>> 40mph maybe a bit more on a windy but sunny day. Thanks for the
>>>> warning
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the glass. I’ll look again more closely tomorrow but I didn’t see
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> as I was installing the new one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:56 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would go with a double line (3/8 or larger)  that goes through the
>>>>>>> chocks
>>>>>>>>> to the bow cleat. I would not use the bow ring.
>>>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>>>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 5:05 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Stewart,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I know these are general boating questions so thanks for the help.
>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>> size and type of line would you recommend?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake MN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 3:41 PM Graham Stewart <
>>>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you connecting the bow ring to the mooring with chain alone? If
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> run the risk of wearing right through the metal hardware or chain.
>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> connection to the boat should  always use lines. You can add a
>>>> snuber
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> shock reduction.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>>>>>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 1:04 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I spent a few hours putting in a new, heavier bow ring and then we
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks out for a stunning sunset sail.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes the ring that attaches the boat to the trailer. That ring was
>>>>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>>>>>> to my mooring and broke from fatigue during a 40 mph sustained
>>>> gust.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> a chain on a mooring on a fairly  large MN lake.  It’s mostly
>>>>>>>>> sheltered
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> when those SE breezes come up there is about 1.5 mi of open water
>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be a fair amount of wave action on top of sustained 20mph
>>>> winds
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should I be concerned that the boat fiberglass could be damaged?
>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on some kind of spring or a better set up?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>> HornblowerII
>>>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:13 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
>>>> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Larry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you referring to the ring on the bow which is used to winch
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> boat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the trailer?  Does the bow have a big hole where the ring
>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What sort of conditions did it take to do that?  What are you
>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do to repair ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does your boat have bow line chocks?  If yes, then just route the
>>>>>>>>>>> mooring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line from the bow cleat thru the line chock and down to the
>>>> mooring
>>>>>>>>>>> buoy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could rig a bridle thru each line chock.  But, the boat won’t
>>>>>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far off center with just one.  I wouldn’t bother with rigging the
>>>>>>>>> 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line.  I presume this will be temporary?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I've seen setups where a yoke is created by a line tied at
>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2 foredeck cleats and leading around the bow, connected to a
>>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line that goes to the mooring.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I am curious about that sheared bow ring.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 03:29:27 PM EDT, Matt Wilson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just had a bow ring shear off during a storm.  Any advice on
>>>>>>>>>>> mooring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buoy without one…just using the foredeck cleat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 