From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Mar  1 10:36:01 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:36:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
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Thanks Mike!!
Scott A.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2024, at 8:47?PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ? Thank-you Mike.  I have fond memories of Stan's 88th Birthday party at the plant.  I'm not sure I can get to see him by 3/11, but will send him a card.  I recently mailed him a letter with photos.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 08:42:15 PM EST, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
> 
> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> Yorktown, VA  23693
> 
> -Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 


From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  3 13:16:07 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 18:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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 Barry, Attached are 2 photos of how I have our lift set up.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:12:15 AM EST, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter,
 Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
Best,
Barry
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Barry,

On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.? These serve to center the boat on the trailer.? As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.? No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.

--Peter

> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>? As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>? I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>? Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
> and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
>
>
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From ruehbl at msn.com  Sun Mar  3 16:46:15 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:46:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
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Great pictures Donald,
 That was a flurry of very useful knowledge by the group. Thank you all. I am now confident that I can fabricate a proper lift and trailer. I'll take a couple of progress pictures along the way for future reference for anyone else with this question.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perseverance  '87

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Barry, Attached are 2 photos of how I have our lift set up.
Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:12:15 AM EST, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

 Peter,
 Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
Best,
Barry
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift

Barry,

On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.

--Peter

> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>  As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>  I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>  Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
> and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
>
>
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From rodellner at mac.com  Sun Mar  3 18:08:48 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 16:08:48 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd:  Hospital - Stan
Message-ID: <60678F28-7B2C-4A11-9185-BABFCCA3AFC4@mac.com>

?Mike

Thanks for keeping us posted re: Stan.    Imagine that you still have Ranger??. That was how we knew we?d arrived at correct place in Edenton years ago.    Special people??glad that we also got to meet Elton and Rose?

THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES 

Rod and Mary

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>
> Date: January 2, 2024 at 11:13:17?AM MST
> To: Dorene Barrera <doreb at comcast.net>
> Subject: Fwd: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
> 
> ?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: December 31, 2023 at 9:05:18?PM MST
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hospital - Stan
>> Reply-To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> 
>> ?Thank you Mike, Rebecca and I are smiling at the thought of him and his tales.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 3:53?PM, Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> Thanks so much for keeping us all updated.
>>> Please say Happy New Year to Stan and tell him we are sending healing vibes from Vermont.
>>> Bring on 2024 for a return to peace and love and a great sailing season with a lot less rain ( at least up north here around Lake Champlain!)
>>> Cheers
>>> Graham Parker
>>> Sv 00Sailin
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 2:24?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Update.  Stan is still in the VA Hospital in Hampton, Virginia, room 411.
>>>> He will probably transfer to another facility in the Hampton Roads area
>>>> sometime late next week.  Thank you to those who sent cards.  All cards
>>>> received as of yesterday have been delivered and read by Stan; they really
>>>> lifted his spirits.  And, believe it or not, he remembers most of you .  .
>>>> .  the stories he is telling!
>>>> Happy New Year to all.
>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 3:28?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> My Fellow Rhodies,  Stan is currently in the VA Hospital in Hampton,
>>>>> Virginia.  Rm 411.    Nothing life threatening, just some general health
>>>>> issues that come with being 97 years old.  He will probably be there for
>>>>> another week.   He has no access to his email.  If you want to send a card
>>>>> you can mail it to me and I will see that he gets it.
>>>>> Stan Spitzer
>>>>> c/o Mike Corley
>>>>> 100 Water Pointe Ln.
>>>>> Smithfield, VA  23430
>>>>> Mike Corley
>>>>> s/v Ranger, 99 Rhodes
>>>>> Hampton Roads, VA

From mbersonod at aol.com  Mon Mar  4 11:42:48 2024
From: mbersonod at aol.com (Marc Berson)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 11:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4538, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2151.1709502378.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
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RE: Stan and List
Hi All, I am a Rhodes 22 owner since the mid 90?s and read every word of every posting on the list? I don?t remember the last time I posted, but want you all to know that I appreciate all of the support, information that you provide to our community. I have known Stan for many years, and sailed with him from his home in Edenton many years ago prior to purchasing my boat. Please send my regards to Stan for a happy meeting for birthday. Peter, I regularly view your YouTube videos, and it has been an enormous help with many projects on my 1985 boat.
Thanks 
Marc Berson
s/v Shpilkes
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:46?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Chris Geankoplis)
>   2. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Donald Simons)
>   3. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (BARRY RUEHLEN)
>   4. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Peter Nyberg)
>   5. Beautiful 2009/2014 Rhodes 22 for Sale (Jeff Smith Photo)
>   6. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Ken Simolo)
>   7. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Chris Geankoplis)
>   8. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (BARRY RUEHLEN)
>   9. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (BARRY RUEHLEN)
>  10. Stan's Birthday (Michael Corley)
>  11. Re: Stan's Birthday (Donald Simons)
>  12. Re: Stan's Birthday (Scott Andrews)
>  13. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (Donald Simons)
>  14. Re: Bunk spacing on a boat lift (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:26:29 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiVhHKzaocJz-P26hjOvscADD_cvdCKnXTC-tmb=8tActA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hey Barry,
>              Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
> Palmento Fl.  If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
> Chris Geankoplis
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
>> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
>> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
>> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
>> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
>> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
>> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
>> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
>> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
>> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
>> will be dealing with.
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> Sv Perseverance 1987
>> Saint James City, Fl
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
>> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
>> winch.
>> 
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>> 
>> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
>> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
>> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
>> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:02:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID: <724165526.947623.1709089322553 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Barry,
> Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes.? I closely mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer.? Our lift is used and came with the flat supports.? It had been used for a 22' powerboat.? I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning the boat.? If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the boat is not on the lift right now.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Hey Barry,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
> Palmento Fl.? If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
> Chris Geankoplis
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
>> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
>> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
>> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
>> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
>> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
>> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
>> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.? We will try to get away
>> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
>> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
>> will be dealing with.
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> Sv Perseverance 1987
>> Saint James City, Fl
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
>> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
>> winch.
>> 
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>> 
>> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
>> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
>> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
>> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:30:12 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Hi Barry,
> Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes.  I closely mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer.  Our lift is used and came with the flat supports.  It had been used for a 22' powerboat.  I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning the boat.  If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the boat is not on the lift right now.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Barry,
>              Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
> Palmento Fl.  If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
> Chris Geankoplis
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
>> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
>> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that I'm
>> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
>> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm assuming
>> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
>> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but I'm
>> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat.  We will try to get away
>> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
>> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks I
>> will be dealing with.
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> Sv Perseverance 1987
>> Saint James City, Fl
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
>> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
>> winch.
>> 
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>> 
>> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
>> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under the
>> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
>> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 09:42:39 -0800
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID: <E1rfNx1-0090FX-2r at s152.servername.online>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Barry,
> 
> On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
>> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
>> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
>> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
>> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
>> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
>> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
>> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
>> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
>> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
>> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
>> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
>> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
>> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
>> and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:25:58 -0500
> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beautiful 2009/2014 Rhodes 22 for Sale
> Message-ID:
>    <CAM0HAmkX64+YNJ2O=JBcFxP0_oZDnFGagRqv=6qEjAqMo4cF2Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> It is with a heavy heart that I am offering up our lovingly cared for
> RADIANT for Sale. The boat has allmost all of the Rhodes upgrades and a
> Trident Trailer with new surge disk bakes last year.
> She has been trailered and cruised from our home in New Jersey to the
> Choptank River in the Chesapeake Bay, to Penobscot Bay in Maine and to the
> North Channel above Lake Huron.
> If you are in the market for a great Trailerable Cruising Boat, don't miss
> this opportunity.
> For equipment list and details contact me.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> Jeffphoto at duck.com
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:04:47 -0800
> From: Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
>    <CAK_z4Dqv0y=n6Qeunmf1qq-PCAP+MEDd7dNJZdcySX=-=LhJmQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> We can certainly tell on our boat where the bunks hit the hull.  But it has
> been resting on the bunks for 7 months out of the year for 36 years.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> On February 28, 2024 at 11:37:26?AM, BARRY RUEHLEN (ruehbl at msn.com) wrote:
> 
> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
> Don a picture would be very helpful.
> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have
> read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes
> restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing
> to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have
> read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to
> rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on
> it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the
> keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for
> stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have
> read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the
> hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great
> dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a
> Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have
> the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main
> support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate
> bearing support.
> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes
> restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Hi Barry,
> Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes. I closely
> mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer. Our
> lift is used and came with the flat supports. It had been used for a 22'
> powerboat. I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning
> the boat. If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the
> boat is not on the lift right now.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Barry,
> Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
> Palmento Fl. If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
> Chris Geankoplis
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
>> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
>> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that
> I'm
>> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
>> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm
> assuming
>> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
>> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but
> I'm
>> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat. We will try to get away
>> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
>> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks
> I
>> will be dealing with.
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> Sv Perseverance 1987
>> Saint James City, Fl
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
>> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
>> winch.
>> 
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
>> 
>> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
>> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under
> the
>> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
>> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
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> What a well loved and cherished vessel. I have similar dents on my old
> bottom after  73 years, and on my boat.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sv XENOS
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 5:04?PM Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We can certainly tell on our boat where the bunks hit the hull.  But it has
>> been resting on the bunks for 7 months out of the year for 36 years.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> 
>> On February 28, 2024 at 11:37:26?AM, BARRY RUEHLEN (ruehbl at msn.com) wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have
>> read many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes
>> restoration, and bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing
>> to me. (our Rhodes came on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have
>> read that even though the centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to
>> rest the boat on it, and I've read that it is not ok to rest the boat on
>> it. I have read that the best place to support the boat is close to the
>> keel where the structure is thickest, and the side supports are just for
>> stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In fact I believe that I have
>> read that too much support on the side bunks can cause deformity in the
>> hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me show great
>> dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures of a
>> Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have
>> the bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main
>> support, and then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate
>> bearing support.
>> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes
>> restoration, and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:02 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
>> 
>> Hi Barry,
>> Last summer I set up an aluminum boat lift for our Rhodes. I closely
>> mimicked the bunk location that is on our Triad tandem axle trailer. Our
>> lift is used and came with the flat supports. It had been used for a 22'
>> powerboat. I added the vertical bunks to guide the keel when positioning
>> the boat. If helpful, I can take some photos and forward them to you as the
>> boat is not on the lift right now.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 09:41:59 PM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Barry,
>> Peter Klappert had an electric lift for his boat built in
>> Palmento Fl. If you reach out to him he may have have the spects.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:30?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have made significant progress on the rebuild of our Rhodes22. In the
>>> next few days we should be able to launch her and find out if she floats.
>>> The question for the group pertains to bunk spacing on a boatlift that
>> I'm
>>> having installed now. Typical boatlift bunks are straight, as there are
>>> only two support beams on a lift , and they are over 8' apart. I'm
>> assuming
>>> that the bunks would want to be fairly close to the shoal keel, maybe
>>> around 18" or so inbetween. I would like to have them a bit wider, but
>> I'm
>>> not sure about the bottom strength of a sailboat. We will try to get away
>>> without the second set of support bunks higher up on the bow. I will
>>> attempt to attach a picture of a typical lift showing the straight bunks
>> I
>>> will be dealing with.
>>> Barry Ruehlen
>>> Sv Perseverance 1987
>>> Saint James City, Fl
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:18 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>>> 
>>> My electric start outboard was installed by Stan at the factory in 2014
>>> and he just connected the outboard to a block in the lazarette with the
>>> winch.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> Beach Spring
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:53 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric start outboard wiring
>>> 
>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
>> attachments.
>>> 
>>> For those with electric start outboards, did you make the electric
>>> connection at the winch or did you run wires back to the battery under
>> the
>>> settee? If the latter, what gauge wire did you use?
>>> I'm installing a Tohatsu 8hp electric start outboard
>>> --Reuben
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:54:48 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
>    <IA1PR19MB6498F87E49C33FFC94EB2F78C15F2 at IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Peter,
> Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
> Best,
> Barry
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Barry,
> 
> On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
>> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
>> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
>> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
>> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
>> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
>> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
>> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
>> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
>> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
>> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
>> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
>> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
>> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
>> and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:56:14 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
>    <IA1PR19MB6498F87E49C33FFC94EB2F78C15F2 at IA1PR19MB6498.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Peter,
> Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
> Best,
> Barry
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Barry,
> 
> On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
>> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
>> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
>> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
>> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
>> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
>> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
>> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
>> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
>> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
>> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
>> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
>> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
>> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
>> and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
>> 
>> <a
>> href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20240228%2F038091b2%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca60335ba1bba4ad836c608dc3884ac29%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638447389687578368%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0DtlMBqb%2FsYr6lNPxpCpJF3O5tYcghdsZSlZE%2Bfty2Y%3D&reserved=0<http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240228/038091b2/attachment.jpg>"
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:14:39 -0500
> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> Message-ID:
>    <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
> 
> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> Yorktown, VA  23693
> 
> -Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 01:47:36 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> Message-ID: <1010445239.1523702.1709257656397 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thank-you Mike.? I have fond memories of Stan's 88th Birthday party at the plant.? I'm not sure I can get to see him by 3/11, but will send him a card.? I recently mailed him a letter with photos.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 08:42:15 PM EST, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.? He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.? He
> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
> 
> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> Yorktown, VA? 23693
> 
> -Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:36:01 -0500
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> Message-ID: <2B7CDDCF-9284-435C-B342-73924CD15DF5 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Mike!!
> Scott A.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2024, at 8:47?PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Thank-you Mike.  I have fond memories of Stan's 88th Birthday party at the plant.  I'm not sure I can get to see him by 3/11, but will send him a card.  I recently mailed him a letter with photos.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>   On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 08:42:15 PM EST, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
>> 
>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 18:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID: <1012472070.1991862.1709489768601 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Barry, Attached are 2 photos of how I have our lift set up.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:12:15 AM EST, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:  
> 
> Peter,
> Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
> Best,
> Barry
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Barry,
> 
> On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.? These serve to center the boat on the trailer.? As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.? No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> ? As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
>> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
>> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
>> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
>> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
>> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
>> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
>> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
>> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
>> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
>> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
>> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> ? I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
>> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
>> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>> ? Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
>> and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
>> 
>> <a
>> href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20240228%2F038091b2%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca60335ba1bba4ad836c608dc3884ac29%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638447389687578368%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0DtlMBqb%2FsYr6lNPxpCpJF3O5tYcghdsZSlZE%2Bfty2Y%3D&reserved=0<http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240228/038091b2/attachment.jpg>"
>> target="_blank">20231005_102129 (1).jpg</a>
>> 
>> <a
>> href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20240228%2Fea264ab9%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca60335ba1bba4ad836c608dc3884ac29%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638447389687587396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EmoyaCqwP%2BcSPXR%2Fd1YZ5egZhbPmhyvDOjzDVzm4KD4%3D&reserved=0<http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240228/ea264ab9/attachment.jpg>"
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:46:15 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> Message-ID:
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>    
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> 
> Great pictures Donald,
> That was a flurry of very useful knowledge by the group. Thank you all. I am now confident that I can fabricate a proper lift and trailer. I'll take a couple of progress pictures along the way for future reference for anyone else with this question.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perseverance  '87
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 1:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Barry, Attached are 2 photos of how I have our lift set up.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>    On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:12:15 AM EST, BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> Thanks so much for that clarification on loading and bearing points. I had assumed the opposite. Main bearing on the bottom and minor support on the sides. With your knowledge, the drawing dimensions, and the picture of a Rhodes on a lift, I will proceed to configure the supports on my new lift to come as close as I can to that information. I will try to rebuild the trailer for a better fit as well.
> Best,
> Barry
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:42 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bunk spacing on a boat lift
> 
> Barry,
> 
> On the 'official' Rhodes 22 trailer, the lower 'supports' close to the keel are actually guides.  These serve to center the boat on the trailer.  As the boat and trailer are pulled from the water, the boat settles onto the upper supports.  No weight is actually carried by the guide rails.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2024-02-28, at 11:30:12 EST, BARRY RUEHLEN wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you .Don, Rick, Peter,Mike,Todd, Chris, Everyone
>> Don a picture would be very helpful.
>> As always, the group comes forth with much information and help. I have read
>> many postings over the past two and a half years of our Rhodes restoration, and
>> bunk placement and bearing areas is still very confusing to me. (our Rhodes came
>> on some half baked old sailboat trailer). I have read that even though the
>> centerboard hangs proud of the keel, it is ok to rest the boat on it, and I've
>> read that it is not ok to rest the boat on it. I have read that the best place
>> to support the boat is close to the keel where the structure is thickest, and
>> the side supports are just for stabilization, and I have read the opposite. In
>> fact I believe that I have read that too much support on the side bunks can
>> cause deformity in the hull. The trailer diagrams that the group just sent me
>> show great dimensions for a side support system, but the actual trailer pictures
>> of a Triad show bottom support close to the keel. and additional side supports.
>> I suspect that the best supporting system for a boatlift might be to have the
>> bottom straight bunks close to the keel as in the picture for main support, and
>> then side supports per the CAD drawing with firm to moderate bearing support.
>> Sorry for my confusion. We've put a lot of love into this Rhodes restoration,
>> and I don't want to screw this up.
>> Best,
>> Barry Ruehlen
>> S/V Perserverance '87
>> 
>> 
>> <a
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar  6 08:04:23 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R 22 RADIANT for Sale
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmsFHxA8O57_MdDLX5-FEMuWL1upozGHtnc115vVWbyRw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the Sailboatlistings ad:

https://m.sailboatlistings.com/cgi-bin/saildata/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&sb=33&so=descend&websearch=1&manufacturer=General+Boats&model=Rhodes+22&length-gt=&length-lt=&year-lt=---&year-gt=---&price-lt=&type=---&material=---&hull=---&state=&view_records=+Show+Matching+Boats+



Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Mar  6 16:52:15 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2024 13:52:15 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R 22 RADIANT for Sale
Message-ID: <E1rhzBP-005U7b-07@s152.servername.online>

Jeff,

Wow, my boat hasn't looked that good since the day I towed it out of Edenton.

I was quite surprised by the number of Rhodes 22's listed for sale.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2024-03-06, at 08:04:23 EST, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> Here is the Sailboatlistings ad:
> 
> <a 
> href="https://m.sailboatlistings.com/cgi-bin/saildata/db.cgi?db=default&amp;uid=default&amp;sb=33&amp;so=descend&amp;websearch=1&amp;manufacturer=General+Boats&amp;model=Rhodes+22&amp;length-gt=&amp;length-lt=&amp;year-lt=---&amp;year-gt=---&amp;price-lt=&amp;type=---&amp;material=---&amp;hull=---&amp;state=&amp;view_records=+Show+Matching+Boats+">https://m.sailboatlistings.com/cgi-bin/saildata/db.cgi?db=default&amp;uid=default&amp;sb=33&amp;so=descend&amp;websearch=1&amp;manufacturer=General+Boats&amp;model=Rhodes+22&amp;length-gt=&amp;length-lt=&amp;year-lt=---&amp;year-gt=---&amp;price-lt=&amp;type=---&amp;material=---&amp;hull=---&amp;state=&amp;view_records=+Show+Matching+Boats+</a> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Mar  6 17:15:28 2024
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 17:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R 22 RADIANT for Sale
In-Reply-To: <E1rhzBP-005U7b-07@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1rhzBP-005U7b-07@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5AQJff2uOr8FrRQwAidZAqVOKOcthR49LvwKp9muFbKpFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

I thought the same thing regarding the number of R22s for sale. There is
also another on Craigslist in Massachusetts:

https://capecod.craigslist.org/boa/d/hyannis-2007-rhodes-22-sailboat/7711958214.html

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *When and If*


On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:52?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Wow, my boat hasn't looked that good since the day I towed it out of
> Edenton.
>
> I was quite surprised by the number of Rhodes 22's listed for sale.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2024-03-06, at 08:04:23 EST, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
> >
> > Here is the Sailboatlistings ad:
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> https://m.sailboatlistings.com/cgi-bin/saildata/db.cgi?db=default&amp;uid=default&amp;sb=33&amp;so=descend&amp;websearch=1&amp;manufacturer=General+Boats&amp;model=Rhodes+22&amp;length-gt=&amp;length-lt=&amp;year-lt=---&amp;year-gt=---&amp;price-lt=&amp;type=---&amp;material=---&amp;hull=---&amp;state=&amp;view_records=+Show+Matching+Boats+
> ">
> https://m.sailboatlistings.com/cgi-bin/saildata/db.cgi?db=default&amp;uid=default&amp;sb=33&amp;so=descend&amp;websearch=1&amp;manufacturer=General+Boats&amp;model=Rhodes+22&amp;length-gt=&amp;length-lt=&amp;year-lt=---&amp;year-gt=---&amp;price-lt=&amp;type=---&amp;material=---&amp;hull=---&amp;state=&amp;view_records=+Show+Matching+Boats+</a>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> > www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Mar  8 17:17:49 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2024 14:17:49 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
Message-ID: <E1riiXF-005Kfr-2g@s152.servername.online>

If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a little on the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has been declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly posts for the last few calendar years:

2020 - 229 posts/month
2021 - 216
2022 - 126
2023 - 86

2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in January and 35 in February.

Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to only around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.

I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible remedies.  I have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the discussion in any particular direction.

So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we might be able to do about it?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (198/2016)

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  8 17:58:01 2024
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:58:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <E1riiXF-005Kfr-2g@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1riiXF-005Kfr-2g@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1592554081.2301073.1709938681765@mail.yahoo.com>

I would think that many Rhodes', including myself are getting older and have either sold their boats or they are just doing other things during the winter.? In addition, the number of boats that are coming out of Edenton is slowing to a trickle if that.? Older boats are going out of service and are not being replaced.? Just my thoughts on the slowdown of of traffic on the internet. By the way, your video on replacing the gooseneck was really valuable to me when I had to replace mine.
?
Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 

    On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 05:17:56 PM EST, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
 
 If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a little on the light side lately, you're not imagining things.? Message volume has been declining for some time.? Below are the figures for average monthly posts for the last few calendar years:

2020 - 229 posts/month
2021 - 216
2022 - 126
2023 - 86

2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in January and 35 in February.

Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to only around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.

I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible remedies.? I have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the discussion in any particular direction.

So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we might be able to do about it?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
  

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 18:30:28 2024
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:30:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <1592554081.2301073.1709938681765@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E1riiXF-005Kfr-2g@s152.servername.online>
 <1592554081.2301073.1709938681765@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLEg+Zp=yVifYjeJM-Tt5QprcY1NvdWOCuwjxGOKcHOZag@mail.gmail.com>

I think I already told my story about how I got my boat, but I never shared
that I almost put it up for sale twice since 2019. The posts by fellow
owners about how much they liked their boats convinced me to make my work a
labor of love. I met Stan and shook his hand, back in 2009, I believe. Kind
of like meeting Sinatra. Over the years priorities and life have gotten in
the way. Keep posting folks, your messages are still read and enjoyed.

Brian
NewIn76
Sumter, SC

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:08?PM Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I would think that many Rhodes', including myself are getting older and
> have either sold their boats or they are just doing other things during the
> winter.  In addition, the number of boats that are coming out of Edenton is
> slowing to a trickle if that.  Older boats are going out of service and are
> not being replaced.  Just my thoughts on the slowdown of of traffic on the
> internet. By the way, your video on replacing the gooseneck was really
> valuable to me when I had to replace mine.
>
> Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street
> Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993
> melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or
> documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s)
> confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally
> privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual
> or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this
> transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in
> error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to
> this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258.
>
>     On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 05:17:56 PM EST, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>  If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> little on the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message
> volume has been declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average
> monthly posts for the last few calendar years:
>
> 2020 - 229 posts/month
> 2021 - 216
> 2022 - 126
> 2023 - 86
>
> 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in January
> and 35 in February.
>
> Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> only around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
>
> I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> remedies.  I have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> discussion in any particular direction.
>
> So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> might be able to do about it?
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
>
>

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 18:32:19 2024
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:32:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental owners?
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLH9m17es8xqpEj1HLz0VkcX=TRaTnAZQFTKDX_ZWXQzjw@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

I?m going to try to bump up the post-count for 2024 by asking if there?s
any other early Rhodes Continental owners out there. I have a 1976 that
Stan already told me he did not build. Having taken it down to a bare hull
interior, (except for the forward and under-cockpit foam areas) I am
thoroughly convinced of that fact.  The early days definitely had some
quality control issues.

So any other owners out there with early boats and interesting ?quality?
discoveries? I have some questions for you.

Brian

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 18:39:30 2024
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental backstay question
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLHcC0UkCOh5XN9_NsoR4Mfhte0fC--e33fHK0ssuBKRsA@mail.gmail.com>

Per my earlier post, my ?76 Continental has been an adventure. I?m not
blaming the previous owners, but? there?s some pretty non-standard things
going on. Currently #1 on my list, there was a Harken traveler mounted to a
few pieces of angle-aluminum and some aluminum bar bolted right to the
fiberglass in the back of the cockpit. Yes, there was some backing, but not
sure if the cut-up pieces of former street signs were up to the job. There
are two backstay attachment points on the port and starboard stern corners,
well placed and reinforced. To my subject line, I am at the crossroads of
needing backstays and figuring out the mainsheet plan. I?m sure I?m going
to hear about contacting Edenton about the new rig, but I wanted hear from
the list before making my decision. Literally a blank slate for the
mainsheet. Having also owned a Catalina 18, ComPac 23, and Seaward 24, I?ve
had multiple variations for my mainsheet and backstays.

Oh and yeah, the standing rigging is of questionable vintage so I am
replacing that before sailing this summer.



Brian

NewIn76

Sumter, SC

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 19:08:28 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:08:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmvCujfi1M6N=WdM1mmzhBAifQhped=_FF87scR07DzdA@mail.gmail.com>

Could it be that the most common problems have been addressed (over and
over?)
I'm aging out of the fleet with RADIANT for sale because my wife and I want
more creature comforts while sailing in our 80s. We are looking at some
1970s 30 footers. I have been extremely grateful for all of the great
information that this group has provided. Especially from Peter Nyberg. Who
knew what one could do to a 22 ft boat to make it the envy of the fleet!
Thanks to all of you (when I sell my boat), I hope to still make the group
the first site I open in the morning.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Mar  8 19:36:36 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental backstay question
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLHcC0UkCOh5XN9_NsoR4Mfhte0fC--e33fHK0ssuBKRsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLHcC0UkCOh5XN9_NsoR4Mfhte0fC--e33fHK0ssuBKRsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+PFw4BOJL_XWpRmGQ9TzyU=bZ=-GG=y-S9NOfoA6LdPg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian:

The 1978 Rhodes I bought in July of last year had no traveler system so,
after looking at a number of R22s, I made my own. I got the round Bar
Traveler car from RigRite (
https://www.rigrite.com/Travellers/NF_Travellers/Round%20Bar%20Travellers.php).
I bought the other fittings from Sailrite. I had to drill into the 6 ft x 1
inch tube to fasten the fittings. I was fortunate in that the rear stays
already had a space to connect the ends of the traveler bar. I do need to
refit the line so that there is sufficient line to allow the car to move
port and starboard. It's not nearly as sophisticated as the one Stan and GB
designed but it will suffice for now.

Cheers,

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore, MD


On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:39?PM Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Per my earlier post, my ?76 Continental has been an adventure. I?m not
> blaming the previous owners, but? there?s some pretty non-standard things
> going on. Currently #1 on my list, there was a Harken traveler mounted to a
> few pieces of angle-aluminum and some aluminum bar bolted right to the
> fiberglass in the back of the cockpit. Yes, there was some backing, but not
> sure if the cut-up pieces of former street signs were up to the job. There
> are two backstay attachment points on the port and starboard stern corners,
> well placed and reinforced. To my subject line, I am at the crossroads of
> needing backstays and figuring out the mainsheet plan. I?m sure I?m going
> to hear about contacting Edenton about the new rig, but I wanted hear from
> the list before making my decision. Literally a blank slate for the
> mainsheet. Having also owned a Catalina 18, ComPac 23, and Seaward 24, I?ve
> had multiple variations for my mainsheet and backstays.
>
> Oh and yeah, the standing rigging is of questionable vintage so I am
> replacing that before sailing this summer.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> NewIn76
>
> Sumter, SC
>
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Mar  8 19:57:15 2024
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmvCujfi1M6N=WdM1mmzhBAifQhped=_FF87scR07DzdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmvCujfi1M6N=WdM1mmzhBAifQhped=_FF87scR07DzdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F506D09-8619-4031-B698-364A9DB9ABD8@aol.com>

I think we need more video content from Peter.  Peter is the reason I bought and completely renovated my boat.  I enjoyed the videos and they melted my fears about bringing a sawzall on my boat and completely remodeling it.  Thank you Peter!  

> On Mar 8, 2024, at 7:08?PM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Could it be that the most common problems have been addressed (over and
> over?)
> I'm aging out of the fleet with RADIANT for sale because my wife and I want
> more creature comforts while sailing in our 80s. We are looking at some
> 1970s 30 footers. I have been extremely grateful for all of the great
> information that this group has provided. Especially from Peter Nyberg. Who
> knew what one could do to a 22 ft boat to make it the envy of the fleet!
> Thanks to all of you (when I sell my boat), I hope to still make the group
> the first site I open in the morning.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368


From thyatt at mica.edu  Fri Mar  8 20:05:58 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:05:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental owners?
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLH9m17es8xqpEj1HLz0VkcX=TRaTnAZQFTKDX_ZWXQzjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLH9m17es8xqpEj1HLz0VkcX=TRaTnAZQFTKDX_ZWXQzjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+9EO1=TBaxP69mS_cW-uUVbhsphfgqkU6Yww8V5BScqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brian:

My Rhodes is a 1978 Continental. Here are the things I have seen that
definitely reflect on poor craftsmanship for whichever company Stan
contracted to build those boats.

1. Stern and bow rails were 7/8 aluminum. The stern rail was poorly
attached to the transom, so much so that I could wiggle it easily. I
replaced it over the fall with a SS 1" rail system that I bought, cut up
and refitted. It is super tight and seems to work well. The bow rail is not
quite as critical but if the opportunity arises, I will replace it as well.
2, The inside of the pop-top is not finished. On the newer R22s I see that
the inside is smooth and beautiful. Mine has a popcorn surface like you see
in ceilings of cheap motel rooms on Route 1. I have painted it white but I
still have pop-top envy when I see the newer boats.
3. The undersides of the cockpit benches seem like they were not well
thought-out. I removed all of the sliding panels that were (I guess)
supposed to protect and hide any kit that was stored there.
4. The wiring was a total afterthought, I think. I had to rewire the boat
from top to bottom.
5. The lazarette lid has no hinging system. Not a big deal but annoying
sometimes.
6. The jib roller furling system was problematic. It was a rudimentary
design that jammed such that I could not use it so I replaced it with a
Profurl system

Having said all that, everything else has been great (so far). I have seen
no places where the fiberglass is not in good shape, no soft spots on the
deck and the interior is dry as can be. The quality of the hull seems
wonderful - smooth and defect-free, the standing rigging made of good
materials, the cabin still lovely and comfortable.

Let me know if you have questions.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore. MD

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:32?PM Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I?m going to try to bump up the post-count for 2024 by asking if there?s
> any other early Rhodes Continental owners out there. I have a 1976 that
> Stan already told me he did not build. Having taken it down to a bare hull
> interior, (except for the forward and under-cockpit foam areas) I am
> thoroughly convinced of that fact.  The early days definitely had some
> quality control issues.
>
> So any other owners out there with early boats and interesting ?quality?
> discoveries? I have some questions for you.
>
> Brian
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 21:57:02 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:57:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental owners?
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLH9m17es8xqpEj1HLz0VkcX=TRaTnAZQFTKDX_ZWXQzjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLH9m17es8xqpEj1HLz0VkcX=TRaTnAZQFTKDX_ZWXQzjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT7-zsqA-_rvFOSxHn1c-pTVVqQbp+_zEom7HY=cZZ39EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian:

I too have a 1976 Rhodes Continental. I have had it since about 1995. I
have put her through an extensive rebuild that spanned about 7 years and
was completed about 4 years ago. The rebuild involved stripping out the
interior including the structural floor and bulkhead, re-coring the
foredeck, replacing the windows with single pieces of plexiglass, replacing
chainplates, painting the deck and cockpit, and dozens of other things. I
took lots of pictures along the way that I would be happy to share if they
benefit you.
I am a complete amateur and made many mistakes along the way, most of which
resulted in doing things the hard way rather than harming the boat. Just
about everything can be fixed.
There is no doubt that boats of this vintage were built to a lesser
standard than those built by Stan in his factory. The contractors who built
these boats took a lot of shortcuts. Still, it is a beautiful boat that I
take great pride in.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:32?PM Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I?m going to try to bump up the post-count for 2024 by asking if there?s
> any other early Rhodes Continental owners out there. I have a 1976 that
> Stan already told me he did not build. Having taken it down to a bare hull
> interior, (except for the forward and under-cockpit foam areas) I am
> thoroughly convinced of that fact.  The early days definitely had some
> quality control issues.
>
> So any other owners out there with early boats and interesting ?quality?
> discoveries? I have some questions for you.
>
> Brian
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 22:04:00 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental backstay question
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+PFw4BOJL_XWpRmGQ9TzyU=bZ=-GG=y-S9NOfoA6LdPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLHcC0UkCOh5XN9_NsoR4Mfhte0fC--e33fHK0ssuBKRsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEhtY2+PFw4BOJL_XWpRmGQ9TzyU=bZ=-GG=y-S9NOfoA6LdPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT7P9N5=OMP5RZfgD0Fp0VTRG99De3OdQYOjJRR7L-98wg@mail.gmail.com>

Brian:
I also replaced the traveller with my own arrangement except that I
attached the traveller to the stern rail rather than the back stays. It
seems to work pretty well and is easily removed with a couple of spring
pins. The stern rail had to be strengthened by bolting the joints as
otherwise the stress would pull the joints apart.


Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 7:43?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi Brian:
>
> The 1978 Rhodes I bought in July of last year had no traveler system so,
> after looking at a number of R22s, I made my own. I got the round Bar
> Traveler car from RigRite (
>
> https://www.rigrite.com/Travellers/NF_Travellers/Round%20Bar%20Travellers.php
> ).
> I bought the other fittings from Sailrite. I had to drill into the 6 ft x 1
> inch tube to fasten the fittings. I was fortunate in that the rear stays
> already had a space to connect the ends of the traveler bar. I do need to
> refit the line so that there is sufficient line to allow the car to move
> port and starboard. It's not nearly as sophisticated as the one Stan and GB
> designed but it will suffice for now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:39?PM Brian Ferguson <
> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Per my earlier post, my ?76 Continental has been an adventure. I?m not
> > blaming the previous owners, but? there?s some pretty non-standard things
> > going on. Currently #1 on my list, there was a Harken traveler mounted
> to a
> > few pieces of angle-aluminum and some aluminum bar bolted right to the
> > fiberglass in the back of the cockpit. Yes, there was some backing, but
> not
> > sure if the cut-up pieces of former street signs were up to the job.
> There
> > are two backstay attachment points on the port and starboard stern
> corners,
> > well placed and reinforced. To my subject line, I am at the crossroads of
> > needing backstays and figuring out the mainsheet plan. I?m sure I?m going
> > to hear about contacting Edenton about the new rig, but I wanted hear
> from
> > the list before making my decision. Literally a blank slate for the
> > mainsheet. Having also owned a Catalina 18, ComPac 23, and Seaward 24,
> I?ve
> > had multiple variations for my mainsheet and backstays.
> >
> > Oh and yeah, the standing rigging is of questionable vintage so I am
> > replacing that before sailing this summer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > NewIn76
> >
> > Sumter, SC
> >
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From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 00:12:41 2024
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <1592554081.2301073.1709938681765@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1592554081.2301073.1709938681765@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7205A4F-7050-4FDC-BC8F-94FC8A719C92@gmail.com>

Melvyn, I think your post is right.  I have a 2011 R22 that we bought new from Stan to replace our 2001 R22 that we also bought new.  The only reason we switched was because we knew Stan was getting older and replacement boats would not likely be around if and when our 2001 really did need replacement.  But now I am 84 and my wife will soon be 81.  Our Lake Travis near Austin, Texas has had very low water levels for the past two years.  Our boat stays in the water year-round, and we pay to have it washed every two weeks.  But we haven?t sailed it in a year?we used to sail the 2001 R22 weekly and the 2011 bi-weekly (our having bought a motorboat for our waterfront property on Lake Austin in 2009).  So even though we love it when we are out on the sailboat, it?s time to sell it.  If General Boats were still refurbishing boats, I?d work out a deal with them. 

During all of the above, we live in Houston three hours away and so can only do Austin area boating on weekends. 

So we will soon be another family leaving the R22 owner group, sad to say. 

David Keyes
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2024, at 5:08?PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I would think that many Rhodes', including myself are getting older and have either sold their boats or they are just doing other things during the winter.  In addition, the number of boats that are coming out of Edenton is slowing to a trickle if that.  Older boats are going out of service and are not being replaced.  Just my thoughts on the slowdown of of traffic on the internet. By the way, your video on replacing the gooseneck was really valuable to me when I had to replace mine.
>  
> Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258.
> 
>    On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 05:17:56 PM EST, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
> 
> If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a little on the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has been declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly posts for the last few calendar years:
> 
> 2020 - 229 posts/month
> 2021 - 216
> 2022 - 126
> 2023 - 86
> 
> 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in January and 35 in February.
> 
> Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to only around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> 
> I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible remedies.  I have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the discussion in any particular direction.
> 
> So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we might be able to do about it?
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> 

From thyatt at mica.edu  Sat Mar  9 10:09:41 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:09:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2Lo2J3iyvASW1KGfhH=XOuViY17trUr665ud2D+U+zZ1w@mail.gmail.com>

I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
there again.

How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold
onto when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
you feel more secure than just hanging onto the stays?

I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be
more of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.

I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the
later rebuilds that Stan did.

I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Mar  9 11:02:10 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2024 08:02:10 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
Message-ID: <E1riz9G-004ArL-1K@s152.servername.online>

I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too low, like knee level.  

There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery: http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html


--Peter

> On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out there 
> again. 
> 
> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold onto 
> when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made you feel 
> more secure than just hanging onto the stays? 
> 
> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be more 
> of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said. 
> 
> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the 
> later rebuilds that Stan did. 
> 
> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore
> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Sat Mar  9 11:16:38 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
In-Reply-To: <E1riz9G-004ArL-1K@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1riz9G-004ArL-1K@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2KAVcZr2pU5++xoGi9sgcLTbX9OdHZx1Yq_wnBBRQxp_w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter. Does anyone know if General Boats still sells these? I'd love
to put them on my 78.

Tom

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:08?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too
> low, like knee level.
>
> There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html
>
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
> >
> > I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
> there
> > again.
> >
> > How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to
> hold onto
> > when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
> you feel
> > more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
> >
> > I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would
> be more
> > of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
> >
> > I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto
> the
> > later rebuilds that Stan did.
> >
> > I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> > Baltimore
> >
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Mar  9 11:24:39 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:24:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2Lo2J3iyvASW1KGfhH=XOuViY17trUr665ud2D+U+zZ1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhtY2Lo2J3iyvASW1KGfhH=XOuViY17trUr665ud2D+U+zZ1w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tom,

The attached photo shows my homemade railings.  I built these myself back in 1988.  At the time, my 2 sons Daniel & Gary were 5 and 2 years old.  The optional lifelines available at the time were only 24 inches high, which I felt was too low.  They were more of a trip hazard than a safety feature.  My railings are 30 inches high.  In addition, in heavy weather
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 10:09 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails

I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
there again.

How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold
onto when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
you feel more secure than just hanging onto the stays?

I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be
more of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.

I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the
later rebuilds that Stan did.

I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Mar  9 11:41:02 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:41:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
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Hi Tom,

The attached photo shows my homemade railings.  I built these myself back in 1988.  At the time, my 2 sons Daniel & Gary were 5 and 2 years old.  The optional lifelines available at the time were only 24 inches high, which I felt was too low.  They were more of a trip hazard than a safety feature.  My railings are 30 inches high.  In addition, in heavy weather, I rig 1/2" OD X 15' long double braid nylon jack lines down the port and starboard side decks.  The crew can clip the tether of the safety harness onto the jack line before leaving the cockpit and not have to reclip all the way to the bow or to the mast.  I used to sail a lot with my sons when they were little and the railings gave me peace of mind.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI
[cid:13675c1a-348e-4146-95c2-bd8f6cdf4527]
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 10:09 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails

I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
there again.

How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold
onto when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
you feel more secure than just hanging onto the stays?

I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be
more of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.

I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the
later rebuilds that Stan did.

I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Mar  9 11:45:51 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:45:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
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Stan always wanted me to buy those 1" rails so I suspect he has some in the yard. 
Personally I think they look like ADA approved grab rails for the handicapped. 
Some of us, including me, are getting to the age we might want those, but my SS stations and 1/8? wire Life Lines do the trick for me both visually and for safety. 
Ric 
Dadventure 
?
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Mar 9, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Peter. Does anyone know if General Boats still sells these? I'd love
> to put them on my 78.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:08?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too
>> low, like knee level.
>> 
>> There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery:
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html
>> 
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
>> there
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to
>> hold onto
>>> when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
>> you feel
>>> more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>>> 
>>> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would
>> be more
>>> of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>>> 
>>> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto
>> the
>>> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>>> 
>>> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>>> 
>>> Tom Hyatt
>>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>>> Baltimore
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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From thyatt at mica.edu  Sat Mar  9 12:36:56 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 12:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
In-Reply-To: <39B68E71-0FB2-424B-8D29-D3EC45239DA1@stottarchitecture.com>
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Hi Ric:

How did you mount your stanchions to the deck? Did you mount them inside
the protruding lip that runs along the edge of the topside of the boat? It
appears that Roger used mounting hardware that he's attached to
vertical part of the hull edge. The stanchions hardware I've seen on the GB
boats with side rails (like the one Peter points out in his email) use a
nifty fitting that fits right over the protruding lip. I'd love to get a
set of those but have not been able to find anything like that in all of my
searches.

Tom

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:46?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Stan always wanted me to buy those 1" rails so I suspect he has some in
> the yard.
> Personally I think they look like ADA approved grab rails for the
> handicapped.
> Some of us, including me, are getting to the age we might want those, but
> my SS stations and 1/8? wire Life Lines do the trick for me both visually
> and for safety.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> [image: IMG_2885.jpeg]
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Peter. Does anyone know if General Boats still sells these? I'd love
> to put them on my 78.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:08?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too
> low, like knee level.
>
> There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html
>
>
> --Peter
>
> On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
>
> there
>
> again.
>
> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to
>
> hold onto
>
> when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
>
> you feel
>
> more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>
> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would
>
> be more
>
> of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>
> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto
>
> the
>
> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>
> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore
>
>
>
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Mar  9 13:01:56 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 18:01:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
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Hi Tom,
My stanchion mounts are also home made.  They were machined from 316 L SS bar stock.  The stanchion mounts thru bolt though the gunnel with four 1/4-20UNC X 1-1/4? 18/8 flat head machine screws per stanchion mount.  There are backing plates made from 1/4 ? thick 316 L SS plate with four tapped holes that match the holes in the stanchion mounts.  Mounting the stanchions on the outside of the gunnels frees up the maximum amount of walking space on the side decks.  The design is a little heavy, but also very stout.  It?s never given me any problems and it always kept my crew on board.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:37?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Ric:
>
> How did you mount your stanchions to the deck? Did you mount them inside
> the protruding lip that runs along the edge of the topside of the boat? It
> appears that Roger used mounting hardware that he's attached to
> vertical part of the hull edge. The stanchions hardware I've seen on the GB
> boats with side rails (like the one Peter points out in his email) use a
> nifty fitting that fits right over the protruding lip. I'd love to get a
> set of those but have not been able to find anything like that in all of my
> searches.
>
> Tom
>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:46?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stan always wanted me to buy those 1" rails so I suspect he has some in
>> the yard.
>> Personally I think they look like ADA approved grab rails for the
>> handicapped.
>> Some of us, including me, are getting to the age we might want those, but
>> my SS stations and 1/8? wire Life Lines do the trick for me both visually
>> and for safety.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> [image: IMG_2885.jpeg]
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Peter. Does anyone know if General Boats still sells these? I'd love
>> to put them on my 78.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:08?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too
>> low, like knee level.
>>
>> There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery:
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html
>>
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>> On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>>
>> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
>>
>> there
>>
>> again.
>>
>> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to
>>
>> hold onto
>>
>> when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
>>
>> you feel
>>
>> more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>>
>> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would
>>
>> be more
>>
>> of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>>
>> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto
>>
>> the
>>
>> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>>
>> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>>
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Mar  9 13:02:43 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 18:02:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Side rails
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Hi Tom,
My stanchion mounts are also home made.  They were machined from 316 L SS bar stock.  The stanchion mounts thru bolt though the gunnel with four 1/4-20UNC X 1-1/4? 18/8 flat head machine screws per stanchion mount.  There are backing plates made from 1/4 ? thick 316 L SS plate with four tapped holes that match the holes in the stanchion mounts.  Mounting the stanchions on the outside of the gunnels frees up the maximum amount of walking space on the side decks.  The design is a little heavy, but also very stout.  It?s never given me any problems and it always kept my crew on board.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:37?PM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Ric:
>
> How did you mount your stanchions to the deck? Did you mount them inside
> the protruding lip that runs along the edge of the topside of the boat? It
> appears that Roger used mounting hardware that he's attached to
> vertical part of the hull edge. The stanchions hardware I've seen on the GB
> boats with side rails (like the one Peter points out in his email) use a
> nifty fitting that fits right over the protruding lip. I'd love to get a
> set of those but have not been able to find anything like that in all of my
> searches.
>
> Tom
>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:46?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> Stan always wanted me to buy those 1" rails so I suspect he has some in
>> the yard.
>> Personally I think they look like ADA approved grab rails for the
>> handicapped.
>> Some of us, including me, are getting to the age we might want those, but
>> my SS stations and 1/8? wire Life Lines do the trick for me both visually
>> and for safety.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> [image: IMG_2885.jpeg]
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Thanks Peter. Does anyone know if General Boats still sells these? I'd love
>> to put them on my 78.
>> Tom
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 11:08?AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> I think the 'tripping hazard' comment referred to restraints that were too
>> low, like knee level.
>> There's a good picture of a boat with rails in the Picture Gallery:
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pictures-exterior.html
>> --Peter
>> On 2024-03-09, at 10:09:41 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
>> there
>> again.
>> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to
>> hold onto
>> when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
>> you feel
>> more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would
>> be more
>> of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto
>> the
>> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 15:04:34 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:04:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
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Tom:
If you are talking about lifelines, I don't have them and, frankly, I think
they would be more trouble than useful. To look proportionate to the length
of the boat they would need to be low and as Stan put it, that is the
perfect height to catch behind your knees and ensure that if you go into
the water you will do so head first. I also think that there are already
enough bits of gear to catch the jib sheets. I put a series of handrails
through-bolted to the cabin top that gives me a solid hold - which is what
I think one needs.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:18?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
> there again.
>
> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold
> onto when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
> you feel more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>
> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be
> more of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>
> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the
> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>
> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore
>

From jbctrader at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  9 19:14:06 2024
From: jbctrader at yahoo.com (Joseph Cook)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing. 
Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?

Thanks for any input!
Joseph

From jbctrader at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  9 19:14:06 2024
From: jbctrader at yahoo.com (Joseph Cook)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
References: <C706A682-8D22-4247-AAEB-4442CE7F805F.ref@yahoo.com>
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Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing. 
Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?

Thanks for any input!
Joseph

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sat Mar  9 19:46:46 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 00:46:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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I love my 8 hp Mercury because shift is on the handle so you don?t have to lean over the back. Recommended by Stan for that reason.

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC

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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard

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Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?

Thanks for any input!
Joseph

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 20:03:00 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 20:03:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
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On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:12?AM David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Melvyn, I think your post is right.  I have a 2011 R22 that we bought new
> from Stan to replace our 2001 R22 that we also bought new.  The only reason
> we switched was because we knew Stan was getting older and replacement
> boats would not likely be around if and when our 2001 really did need
> replacement.  But now I am 84 and my wife will soon be 81.  Our Lake Travis
> near Austin, Texas has had very low water levels for the past two years.
> Our boat stays in the water year-round, and we pay to have it washed every
> two weeks.  But we haven?t sailed it in a year?we used to sail the 2001 R22
> weekly and the 2011 bi-weekly (our having bought a motorboat for our
> waterfront property on Lake Austin in 2009).  So even though we love it
> when we are out on the sailboat, it?s time to sell it.  If General Boats
> were still refurbishing boats, I?d work out a deal with them.
>
> During all of the above, we live in Houston three hours away and so can
> only do Austin area boating on weekends.
>
> So we will soon be another family leaving the R22 owner group, sad to say.
>
> David Keyes
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 8, 2024, at 5:08?PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I would think that many Rhodes', including myself are getting older and
> have either sold their boats or they are just doing other things during the
> winter.  In addition, the number of boats that are coming out of Edenton is
> slowing to a trickle if that.  Older boats are going out of service and are
> not being replaced.  Just my thoughts on the slowdown of of traffic on the
> internet. By the way, your video on replacing the gooseneck was really
> valuable to me when I had to replace mine.
> >
> > Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street
> Philadelphi
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> >    On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 05:17:56 PM EST, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> little on the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message
> volume has been declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average
> monthly posts for the last few calendar years:
> >
> > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > 2021 - 216
> > 2022 - 126
> > 2023 - 86
> >
> > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> January and 35 in February.
> >
> > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> only around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> >
> > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> remedies.  I have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> discussion in any particular direction.
> >
> > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> might be able to do about it?
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 20:17:12 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 20:17:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental owners?
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Having bought my 1976 Continental from Stan new at the boat show, it was
the perfect boat.  We had it for 20 years and went everywhere on the
Chesapeake and spent several months in the Bahamas. There may have been
some build issues but we just upgraded it. So I can say that the ?76-?78
vintage was more than a presumptuous and amusing wine.   Enjoy your classic
Rhodes, guys.  Still have a 87-2014 Rhodes here in Kansas and the previous
?83 was adopted by a classic guitar and bouzouki maker on a small island in
Greece. So my lifelong live  affair with the Rhodes continues.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V Xenos

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:57?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian:
>
> I too have a 1976 Rhodes Continental. I have had it since about 1995. I
> have put her through an extensive rebuild that spanned about 7 years and
> was completed about 4 years ago. The rebuild involved stripping out the
> interior including the structural floor and bulkhead, re-coring the
> foredeck, replacing the windows with single pieces of plexiglass, replacing
> chainplates, painting the deck and cockpit, and dozens of other things. I
> took lots of pictures along the way that I would be happy to share if they
> benefit you.
> I am a complete amateur and made many mistakes along the way, most of which
> resulted in doing things the hard way rather than harming the boat. Just
> about everything can be fixed.
> There is no doubt that boats of this vintage were built to a lesser
> standard than those built by Stan in his factory. The contractors who built
> these boats took a lot of shortcuts. Still, it is a beautiful boat that I
> take great pride in.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 76
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:32?PM Brian Ferguson <
> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > I?m going to try to bump up the post-count for 2024 by asking if there?s
> > any other early Rhodes Continental owners out there. I have a 1976 that
> > Stan already told me he did not build. Having taken it down to a bare
> hull
> > interior, (except for the forward and under-cockpit foam areas) I am
> > thoroughly convinced of that fact.  The early days definitely had some
> > quality control issues.
> >
> > So any other owners out there with early boats and interesting ?quality?
> > discoveries? I have some questions for you.
> >
> > Brian
> >
>

From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 22:49:41 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 21:49:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others). Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery. Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what you need. 

Ted 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?
> 
> Thanks for any input!
> Joseph

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 23:25:38 2024
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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I have an 8hp Mercury (Tohatsu).  I like it particularly for the combination shift/throttle on the tiller.  Clockwise for reverse, counterclockwise for forward and neutral in the middle. That makes it easy to manage while maneuvering. It has been extremely reliable. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:49?PM, tedlesiecki at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> ?I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others). Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery. Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what you need.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
>> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?
>> 
>> Thanks for any input!
>> Joseph

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 08:20:15 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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Another vote for electric.  Tired of the weight and occasional fickleness of the old Tohatsu, we splurged on a Torqeedo and like it very much.  I keep the battery at home and make sure it?s charged before heading to the sailing club (it?s about an hour and a half drive).  Granted, we just use it to get us out of the marina and back, so the range is not an issue for us, but I?m happy with it.  Our slip neighbor also has one.

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:49?PM, tedlesiecki at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others). Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery. Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what you need. 
> 
> Ted 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
>> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?
>> 
>> Thanks for any input!
>> Joseph


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 10 09:55:06 2024
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:55:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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Another electric guy - EPropulsion Spirit 1.0 +  with extra battery which I?ll probably never need. Use it on both Rhodes: in upstate NY in summer & Tampa in winter, both on lakes so not going far - easy to take in the car. Twist speed control for fwd or reverse.  Replaced Merc 3.5 hp & Suzuki 6hp - no more winterizing & oil changing. Removable battery means you?re only installing 23lb motor and 20lb battery separately - easy to move to my 12? rowboat. 
  
Larry
?
2014 R22 Language of Love 
Lake George NY
1986 R22 LOL II
Odessa/Keystone Lake, FL

> On Mar 10, 2024, at 8:20?AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another vote for electric.  Tired of the weight and occasional fickleness of the old Tohatsu, we splurged on a Torqeedo and like it very much.  I keep the battery at home and make sure it?s charged before heading to the sailing club (it?s about an hour and a half drive).  Granted, we just use it to get us out of the marina and back, so the range is not an issue for us, but I?m happy with it.  Our slip neighbor also has one.
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:49?PM, tedlesiecki at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others). Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery. Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what you need.
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
>>> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all might suggest?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any input!
>>> Joseph
> 


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 15:16:10 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:16:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
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Maybe I am crazy, but I just spent $552 repairing my 1998, 26 yr old 9.9
two cycle Mercury.  Annual service, new thermostat, and rebuild
carburetor.  Runs like a champ except when it does not run, which happened
once last year when the electrical box went out on me.  Was going to buy a
new four cycle Merc, but my mechanic talked me out of it.  Said cylinders
are in excellent shape as is the pressure.  20 yrs of actual use and it has
maybe 500 total hours.  My experience with two cycle motors is they do run
forever if maintained.  I love the throttle on the handle and not having to
run any extra controls into the cockpit as well as the motor-rudder linkage
Stan developed.  If I sailed on an inland lake, I'd go electric, but with
tidal currents and cruising, I need the power and range.

Mike
s/v Ranger
99 Rhodes
Hampton Roads, VA

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:55?AM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Another electric guy - EPropulsion Spirit 1.0 +  with extra battery which
> I?ll probably never need. Use it on both Rhodes: in upstate NY in summer &
> Tampa in winter, both on lakes so not going far - easy to take in the car.
> Twist speed control for fwd or reverse.  Replaced Merc 3.5 hp & Suzuki 6hp
> - no more winterizing & oil changing. Removable battery means you?re only
> installing 23lb motor and 20lb battery separately - easy to move to my 12?
> rowboat.
>
> Larry
> ?
> 2014 R22 Language of Love
> Lake George NY
> 1986 R22 LOL II
> Odessa/Keystone Lake, FL
>
> > On Mar 10, 2024, at 8:20?AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Another vote for electric.  Tired of the weight and occasional
> fickleness of the old Tohatsu, we splurged on a Torqeedo and like it very
> much.  I keep the battery at home and make sure it?s charged before heading
> to the sailing club (it?s about an hour and a half drive).  Granted, we
> just use it to get us out of the marina and back, so the range is not an
> issue for us, but I?m happy with it.  Our slip neighbor also has one.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > Fairview, NC
> > Lake Keowee, SC
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:49?PM, tedlesiecki at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others).
> Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward
> while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with
> the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like
> sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is
> probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low
> throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with
> lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back
> it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said
> if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery.
> Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what
> you need.
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
> >>> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all
> might suggest?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any input!
> >>> Joseph
> >
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Mar 10 16:51:54 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:51:54 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
Message-ID: <E1rjQ9C-005t7A-1d@s152.servername.online>

Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.

Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our community.

Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell their boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.

So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email) whose popularity is also declining?

I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to the Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email client app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had any control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it just went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.  As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our average posts per month was 86.

Thoughts?

On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?

Thanks,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>
> If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a little on 
> the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has been 
> declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly posts for 
> the last few calendar years: 
> 
> 2020 - 229 posts/month
> 2021 - 216
> 2022 - 126
> 2023 - 86
> 
> 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in January and 35 
> in February. 
> 
> Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to only 
> around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged. 
> 
> I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible remedies.  I 
> have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the discussion in any 
> particular direction. 
> 
> So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we might be 
> able to do about it? 
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Sun Mar 10 17:32:09 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 17:32:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
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The R22 Facebook account sees sporadic use. Kind of like the email list. In
February, there were no posts at all. In January there were 4
original posts with a number of comments. In December there were 3 posts
with follow-up comments. In November 1 post with comments.

As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I can't speak on why there are fewer posts. My
observation however is that the R22 community is an aging one. Looking at
where the most action is on Youtube, it is not with daysailing or
trailer-sailers but with young couples giving up their day-to-day lives to
travel around the world on blue-water cruisers. So perhaps there are not as
many new sailors drawn to the kind of weekend sailing on small boats that
we all do.

The majority of R22 owners that I have met so far tilt more toward the
retired crowd or toward people who once were owners and now have either
moved to power boats or larger sailing vessels or have given up sailing
altogether. Maybe those that have stayed with their R22s, as I think
someone indicated already, have solved most of their issues and questions
and don't have as much need for the community as they once did.

Not having GB as an active and vital business certainly has dampened the
enthusiasm that would be generated toward new owners if Stan and the
business were as active as they were 25 years ago.

Just an observation from a new owner.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore, MD


On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
>
> Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> community.
>
> Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell their
> boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
>
> So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> whose popularity is also declining?
>
> I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to the
> Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email client
> app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had any
> control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it just
> went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our average
> posts per month was 86.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> >
> > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> little on
> > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> been
> > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> posts for
> > the last few calendar years:
> >
> > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > 2021 - 216
> > 2022 - 126
> > 2023 - 86
> >
> > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> January and 35
> > in February.
> >
> > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> only
> > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> >
> > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> remedies.  I
> > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> discussion in any
> > particular direction.
> >
> > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> might be
> > able to do about it?
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> >
>
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 18:12:42 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2J3TPVgNYhN_MsjmJXD1Kk8ZQj3+tCbscb0QnzNqhECag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1rjQ9C-005t7A-1d@s152.servername.online>
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Tom pretty much describes me to a tee. We are all ageing along with our
boats.

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:38 PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> The R22 Facebook account sees sporadic use. Kind of like the email list. In
> February, there were no posts at all. In January there were 4
> original posts with a number of comments. In December there were 3 posts
> with follow-up comments. In November 1 post with comments.
>
> As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I can't speak on why there are fewer posts. My
> observation however is that the R22 community is an aging one. Looking at
> where the most action is on Youtube, it is not with daysailing or
> trailer-sailers but with young couples giving up their day-to-day lives to
> travel around the world on blue-water cruisers. So perhaps there are not as
> many new sailors drawn to the kind of weekend sailing on small boats that
> we all do.
>
> The majority of R22 owners that I have met so far tilt more toward the
> retired crowd or toward people who once were owners and now have either
> moved to power boats or larger sailing vessels or have given up sailing
> altogether. Maybe those that have stayed with their R22s, as I think
> someone indicated already, have solved most of their issues and questions
> and don't have as much need for the community as they once did.
>
> Not having GB as an active and vital business certainly has dampened the
> enthusiasm that would be generated toward new owners if Stan and the
> business were as active as they were 25 years ago.
>
> Just an observation from a new owner.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
> >
> > Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> > the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> > boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> > member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> > community.
> >
> > Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell
> their
> > boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> > younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> > participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> > anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
> >
> > So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> > lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> > (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> > whose popularity is also declining?
> >
> > I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> > recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to
> the
> > Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> > people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email
> client
> > app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had
> any
> > control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it
> just
> > went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> > since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> > As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our
> average
> > posts per month was 86.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> > on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > >
> > > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> > little on
> > > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> > been
> > > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> > posts for
> > > the last few calendar years:
> > >
> > > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > > 2021 - 216
> > > 2022 - 126
> > > 2023 - 86
> > >
> > > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> > January and 35
> > > in February.
> > >
> > > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> > only
> > > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> > >
> > > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> > remedies.  I
> > > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> > discussion in any
> > > particular direction.
> > >
> > > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> > might be
> > > able to do about it?
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> > >
> >
> >
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 18:27:28 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 18:27:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2J3TPVgNYhN_MsjmJXD1Kk8ZQj3+tCbscb0QnzNqhECag@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree completely with Tom's comments.  They are on the mark.
Old sailors, like old soldiers, never die, they just fade away .  .  .

-Mike
s/v Ranger 1999
Hampton Roads, VA

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:38?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> The R22 Facebook account sees sporadic use. Kind of like the email list. In
> February, there were no posts at all. In January there were 4
> original posts with a number of comments. In December there were 3 posts
> with follow-up comments. In November 1 post with comments.
>
> As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I can't speak on why there are fewer posts. My
> observation however is that the R22 community is an aging one. Looking at
> where the most action is on Youtube, it is not with daysailing or
> trailer-sailers but with young couples giving up their day-to-day lives to
> travel around the world on blue-water cruisers. So perhaps there are not as
> many new sailors drawn to the kind of weekend sailing on small boats that
> we all do.
>
> The majority of R22 owners that I have met so far tilt more toward the
> retired crowd or toward people who once were owners and now have either
> moved to power boats or larger sailing vessels or have given up sailing
> altogether. Maybe those that have stayed with their R22s, as I think
> someone indicated already, have solved most of their issues and questions
> and don't have as much need for the community as they once did.
>
> Not having GB as an active and vital business certainly has dampened the
> enthusiasm that would be generated toward new owners if Stan and the
> business were as active as they were 25 years ago.
>
> Just an observation from a new owner.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
> >
> > Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> > the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> > boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> > member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> > community.
> >
> > Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell
> their
> > boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> > younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> > participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> > anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
> >
> > So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> > lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> > (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> > whose popularity is also declining?
> >
> > I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> > recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to
> the
> > Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> > people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email
> client
> > app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had
> any
> > control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it
> just
> > went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> > since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> > As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our
> average
> > posts per month was 86.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> > on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > >
> > > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> > little on
> > > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> > been
> > > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> > posts for
> > > the last few calendar years:
> > >
> > > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > > 2021 - 216
> > > 2022 - 126
> > > 2023 - 86
> > >
> > > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> > January and 35
> > > in February.
> > >
> > > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> > only
> > > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> > >
> > > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> > remedies.  I
> > > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> > discussion in any
> > > particular direction.
> > >
> > > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> > might be
> > > able to do about it?
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> > >
> >
> >
>

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 10 19:43:14 2024
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:43:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jLGhUaafFvfeGuNf7UNN8YCG+Z-sQJERfTjYg4A_SFfDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Not crazy at all - you need the power & range!  2-stroke-cycle limits where it can be used, but is way lighter than the 9.9 4-stroke I had years back. 

I still miss the 2hp Johnson 2-stroke I had in 1983 on a bracket for the 16? Hobie Cat I owned back then. Powered it perfectly at idle. 

Larry

> On Mar 10, 2024, at 3:16?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Maybe I am crazy, but I just spent $552 repairing my 1998, 26 yr old 9.9
> two cycle Mercury.  Annual service, new thermostat, and rebuild
> carburetor.  Runs like a champ except when it does not run, which happened
> once last year when the electrical box went out on me.  Was going to buy a
> new four cycle Merc, but my mechanic talked me out of it.  Said cylinders
> are in excellent shape as is the pressure.  20 yrs of actual use and it has
> maybe 500 total hours.  My experience with two cycle motors is they do run
> forever if maintained.  I love the throttle on the handle and not having to
> run any extra controls into the cockpit as well as the motor-rudder linkage
> Stan developed.  If I sailed on an inland lake, I'd go electric, but with
> tidal currents and cruising, I need the power and range.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Ranger
> 99 Rhodes
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 9:55?AM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Another electric guy - EPropulsion Spirit 1.0 +  with extra battery which
>> I?ll probably never need. Use it on both Rhodes: in upstate NY in summer &
>> Tampa in winter, both on lakes so not going far - easy to take in the car.
>> Twist speed control for fwd or reverse.  Replaced Merc 3.5 hp & Suzuki 6hp
>> - no more winterizing & oil changing. Removable battery means you?re only
>> installing 23lb motor and 20lb battery separately - easy to move to my 12?
>> rowboat.
>> 
>> Larry
>> ?
>> 2014 R22 Language of Love
>> Lake George NY
>> 1986 R22 LOL II
>> Odessa/Keystone Lake, FL
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 8:20?AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Another vote for electric.  Tired of the weight and occasional
>> fickleness of the old Tohatsu, we splurged on a Torqeedo and like it very
>> much.  I keep the battery at home and make sure it?s charged before heading
>> to the sailing club (it?s about an hour and a half drive).  Granted, we
>> just use it to get us out of the marina and back, so the range is not an
>> issue for us, but I?m happy with it.  Our slip neighbor also has one.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>> Fairview, NC
>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:49?PM, tedlesiecki at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I went electric and love it (I picked spirit but there are others).
>> Also got the remote throttle so you can be standing at helm facing forward
>> while docking. The dealer used to own a Rhodes so was very familiar with
>> the boat. Best part is even under motor it?s silent so it always feels like
>> sailing. Went from 9.8 gas to 3hp electric. The torque the 3hp puts out is
>> probably similar to 9.8 at higher rpm so you get a lot of thrust at low
>> throttle input. No question the 9.8 will push boat at max hull speed (with
>> lots of noise and vibration) while 3hp electric is maybe like 4 knots. Back
>> it down to 3.5 knots and you get 30% more range out of battery. Dealer said
>> if you?re really concerned with range just buy another removable battery.
>> Vs picking 1 bigger, less mobile, remote wired battery but depends on what
>> you need.
>>>> 
>>>> Ted
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 6:16?PM, Joseph Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> ?Hi all, my 20 year-old outboard seems to not be worth repairing.
>>>>> Looking for ideas on what choices of currently available OBs you all
>> might suggest?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any input!
>>>>> Joseph
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From jbctrader at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 10 19:43:35 2024
From: jbctrader at yahoo.com (Joseph Cook)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New outboard
In-Reply-To: <C706A682-8D22-4247-AAEB-4442CE7F805F@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <5E727411-EAF7-428C-9DDC-41940FC16917@yahoo.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.

What shaft lengths did you get? 

And do you feel a High Thrust model would have been better?

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 7:14 PM, Joseph Cook <jbctrader at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 


From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 05:44:16 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:44:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <E1rjQ9C-005t7A-1d@s152.servername.online>
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I am also a member of the Island Packet mail list and it has seen the same
- actually worse - decline in activity...In its heyday  there were as many
as 10 postings each day...now there aren't more than a few per month. There
is however  very active Facebook group  and many of those who used to post
on the mail list can now be found on Facebook...but the activity is
different...The mail list was devoted to solving problems and giving advice
on new parts or new techniques or where to get a part...the facebook page
has some of that but mostly has pictures of friends sitting in cockpit or
nice dinners being served in the galley...much less of what the "old salts"
used to talk about....seems that you can't go back again

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
>
> Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> community.
>
> Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell their
> boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
>
> So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> whose popularity is also declining?
>
> I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to the
> Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email client
> app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had any
> control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it just
> went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our average
> posts per month was 86.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> >
> > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> little on
> > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> been
> > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> posts for
> > the last few calendar years:
> >
> > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > 2021 - 216
> > 2022 - 126
> > 2023 - 86
> >
> > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> January and 35
> > in February.
> >
> > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> only
> > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> >
> > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> remedies.  I
> > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> discussion in any
> > particular direction.
> >
> > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> might be
> > able to do about it?
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> >
>
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 07:06:32 2024
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 07:06:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
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I sold my Rhodes about 10 years ago but I've remained on the list.  I did
manage to get a sail in with Chris a few years ago but haven't made it on
the water since then.

Hank
Montgomery Village, MD

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 6:27?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree completely with Tom's comments.  They are on the mark.
> Old sailors, like old soldiers, never die, they just fade away .  .  .
>
> -Mike
> s/v Ranger 1999
> Hampton Roads, VA
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:38?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > The R22 Facebook account sees sporadic use. Kind of like the email list.
> In
> > February, there were no posts at all. In January there were 4
> > original posts with a number of comments. In December there were 3 posts
> > with follow-up comments. In November 1 post with comments.
> >
> > As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I can't speak on why there are fewer posts. My
> > observation however is that the R22 community is an aging one. Looking at
> > where the most action is on Youtube, it is not with daysailing or
> > trailer-sailers but with young couples giving up their day-to-day lives
> to
> > travel around the world on blue-water cruisers. So perhaps there are not
> as
> > many new sailors drawn to the kind of weekend sailing on small boats that
> > we all do.
> >
> > The majority of R22 owners that I have met so far tilt more toward the
> > retired crowd or toward people who once were owners and now have either
> > moved to power boats or larger sailing vessels or have given up sailing
> > altogether. Maybe those that have stayed with their R22s, as I think
> > someone indicated already, have solved most of their issues and questions
> > and don't have as much need for the community as they once did.
> >
> > Not having GB as an active and vital business certainly has dampened the
> > enthusiasm that would be generated toward new owners if Stan and the
> > business were as active as they were 25 years ago.
> >
> > Just an observation from a new owner.
> >
> > Tom Hyatt
> > S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> > Baltimore, MD
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
> > >
> > > Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> > > the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if
> a
> > > boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> > > member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell
> > their
> > > boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> > > younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's
> declining
> > > participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably
> meaning
> > > anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
> > >
> > > So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> > > lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining
> due
> > > (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> > > whose popularity is also declining?
> > >
> > > I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> > > recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to
> > the
> > > Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> > > people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email
> > client
> > > app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had
> > any
> > > control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it
> > just
> > > went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> > > since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an
> outlier.
> > > As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our
> > average
> > > posts per month was 86.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone
> comment
> > > on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > > > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> > > little on
> > > > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume
> has
> > > been
> > > > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> > > posts for
> > > > the last few calendar years:
> > > >
> > > > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > > > 2021 - 216
> > > > 2022 - 126
> > > > 2023 - 86
> > > >
> > > > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> > > January and 35
> > > > in February.
> > > >
> > > > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off
> to
> > > only
> > > > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> > > >
> > > > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> > > remedies.  I
> > > > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> > > discussion in any
> > > > particular direction.
> > > >
> > > > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think
> we
> > > might be
> > > > able to do about it?
> > > >
> > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Mon Mar 11 07:48:02 2024
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:48:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
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Postings may be declining, but the group has been invaluable to me. Our purchase of Crimson Cloud almost three years ago was supposed to be a tlc project. After a little exploration we found termite infestation and rotted stringers under the cabin floor. All sole and cabin furnishings had to be replaced, and stringers repaired and re-glassed.
The cockpit deck had rotted core and had to be rebuilt. Then hurricane Ian floated her off the trailer and broke the centerboard and caused several fiberglass crunches. She is now mostly repaired and repainted. (currently repairing gelcoat dings, old holes, and spider cracks) The interior has been remade and ready to install as soon as I get her boatlift in order. We can't install the new centerboard until we put her on a lift because it hangs proud of the keel and the keel has a roller under it on the old trailer she came on. So, we hope to find out if she floats this week. We'll get her on my lift, pull the trunk cap (again), install the centerboard, and then put the cabin back together.
 That was a long-winded explanation but I wanted to reinforce how important the group has been to me. All of the work done was crosschecked by me exploring the archives, posting questions, and just lurking about the current postings. Thank you all. (and youtube) We were thinking about calling her the red onion because every time we peeled a layer off there was another waiting. Settled on Perserverance.
 On a side note to Reuben, Did you determine what caused your water infiltration a short while back? I have been chasing freshwater infiltration all this time as I want her to be tight when we do get her back in the water. It can be maddening. I BELIEVE we have everything in order now. The side cubbies in the cockpit have drain holes that let water into the area under the deck and foam flotation. That water then finds its way to the bilge under the cabin floor. I think that's my last leak and appears to be one that I'll have to put up with.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
S/V Perserverance '87
St. James City, Fl
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 5:44 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away

I am also a member of the Island Packet mail list and it has seen the same
- actually worse - decline in activity...In its heyday  there were as many
as 10 postings each day...now there aren't more than a few per month. There
is however  very active Facebook group  and many of those who used to post
on the mail list can now be found on Facebook...but the activity is
different...The mail list was devoted to solving problems and giving advice
on new parts or new techniques or where to get a part...the facebook page
has some of that but mostly has pictures of friends sitting in cockpit or
nice dinners being served in the galley...much less of what the "old salts"
used to talk about....seems that you can't go back again

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
>
> Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> community.
>
> Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell their
> boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
>
> So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> whose popularity is also declining?
>
> I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to the
> Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email client
> app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had any
> control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it just
> went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our average
> posts per month was 86.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> >
> > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> little on
> > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> been
> > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> posts for
> > the last few calendar years:
> >
> > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > 2021 - 216
> > 2022 - 126
> > 2023 - 86
> >
> > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> January and 35
> > in February.
> >
> > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> only
> > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> >
> > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> remedies.  I
> > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> discussion in any
> > particular direction.
> >
> > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> might be
> > able to do about it?
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> >
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 08:47:00 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:47:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
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Barry
While I've confirmed many things that didn't cause the seawater flooding
(thruhulls OK, centerboard trunk OK) I haven't actually found the cause of
the leak..My main culprit now is that during an extremely low tide the boat
rested on its keel which was driven up to the top of the centerboard trunk
which flexed and let the water in. but bolts seem tight and there are no
visible cracks...I did install a bilge pump plumbed to the sink drain in
the hope that if this happens again the pump can keep up till the tide goes
up
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 7:58?AM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> Postings may be declining, but the group has been invaluable to me. Our
> purchase of Crimson Cloud almost three years ago was supposed to be a tlc
> project. After a little exploration we found termite infestation and rotted
> stringers under the cabin floor. All sole and cabin furnishings had to be
> replaced, and stringers repaired and re-glassed.
> The cockpit deck had rotted core and had to be rebuilt. Then hurricane Ian
> floated her off the trailer and broke the centerboard and caused several
> fiberglass crunches. She is now mostly repaired and repainted. (currently
> repairing gelcoat dings, old holes, and spider cracks) The interior has
> been remade and ready to install as soon as I get her boatlift in order. We
> can't install the new centerboard until we put her on a lift because it
> hangs proud of the keel and the keel has a roller under it on the old
> trailer she came on. So, we hope to find out if she floats this week. We'll
> get her on my lift, pull the trunk cap (again), install the centerboard,
> and then put the cabin back together.
>  That was a long-winded explanation but I wanted to reinforce how
> important the group has been to me. All of the work done was crosschecked
> by me exploring the archives, posting questions, and just lurking about the
> current postings. Thank you all. (and youtube) We were thinking about
> calling her the red onion because every time we peeled a layer off there
> was another waiting. Settled on Perserverance.
>  On a side note to Reuben, Did you determine what caused your water
> infiltration a short while back? I have been chasing freshwater
> infiltration all this time as I want her to be tight when we do get her
> back in the water. It can be maddening. I BELIEVE we have everything in
> order now. The side cubbies in the cockpit have drain holes that let water
> into the area under the deck and foam flotation. That water then finds its
> way to the bilge under the cabin floor. I think that's my last leak and
> appears to be one that I'll have to put up with.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> S/V Perserverance '87
> St. James City, Fl
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 5:44 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
>
> I am also a member of the Island Packet mail list and it has seen the same
> - actually worse - decline in activity...In its heyday  there were as many
> as 10 postings each day...now there aren't more than a few per month. There
> is however  very active Facebook group  and many of those who used to post
> on the mail list can now be found on Facebook...but the activity is
> different...The mail list was devoted to solving problems and giving advice
> on new parts or new techniques or where to get a part...the facebook page
> has some of that but mostly has pictures of friends sitting in cockpit or
> nice dinners being served in the galley...much less of what the "old salts"
> used to talk about....seems that you can't go back again
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
> >
> > Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
> > the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
> > boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
> > member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
> > community.
> >
> > Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell
> their
> > boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
> > younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
> > participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
> > anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
> >
> > So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
> > lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
> > (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
> > whose popularity is also declining?
> >
> > I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
> > recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to
> the
> > Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
> > people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email
> client
> > app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had
> any
> > control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it
> just
> > went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
> > since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
> > As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our
> average
> > posts per month was 86.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
> > on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > >
> > > If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
> > little on
> > > the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
> > been
> > > declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
> > posts for
> > > the last few calendar years:
> > >
> > > 2020 - 229 posts/month
> > > 2021 - 216
> > > 2022 - 126
> > > 2023 - 86
> > >
> > > 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
> > January and 35
> > > in February.
> > >
> > > Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
> > only
> > > around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
> > >
> > > I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
> > remedies.  I
> > > have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
> > discussion in any
> > > particular direction.
> > >
> > > So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
> > might be
> > > able to do about it?
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
> > >
> >
> >
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 10:06:48 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1j+uZFOyL+wPPEeBhHTq75QiUqW75MmWA4jHvUJL156heg@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday Stan!!!   98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
Wishing you many more.

-Mike

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>
> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> Yorktown, VA  23693
>
> -Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Mon Mar 11 11:07:39 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+uZFOyL+wPPEeBhHTq75QiUqW75MmWA4jHvUJL156heg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+uZFOyL+wPPEeBhHTq75QiUqW75MmWA4jHvUJL156heg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6C881E0-CFC9-434A-BE57-BA060EBADB7B@mac.com>

Happy Birthday STAN!
   Have a wonderful day!

Rod and Mary
WI/now CO
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:07?AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Happy Birthday Stan!!!   98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
> Wishing you many more.
> 
> -Mike
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 11 11:16:52 2024
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:16:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <C6C881E0-CFC9-434A-BE57-BA060EBADB7B@mac.com>
References: <CACSd1j+uZFOyL+wPPEeBhHTq75QiUqW75MmWA4jHvUJL156heg@mail.gmail.com>
 <C6C881E0-CFC9-434A-BE57-BA060EBADB7B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1006532961.3088544.1710170212483@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes, Happy Birthday Stan!? ?You changed all of our lives by introducing us to a sailboat we all love!
Larry
    On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:07:54 AM EDT, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday STAN!
? Have a wonderful day!

Rod and Mary
WI/now CO
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:07?AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Happy Birthday Stan!!!? 98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
> Wishing you many more.
> 
> -Mike
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.? He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.? He
>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>> Yorktown, VA? 23693
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 
  

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 11:48:02 2024
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:48:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Michael.
Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many people
through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*

*(781) 704-1037*



On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>
> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> Yorktown, VA  23693
>
> -Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
>

From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 12:18:25 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <1006532961.3088544.1710170212483@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1006532961.3088544.1710170212483@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B972EE19-3E00-435E-A974-D78B36601FED@gmail.com>

I don?t know Stan but after owning a Rhodes for a year he absolutely nailed the experience of an ideal cruising boat in a 22ft package. I mean the 
cockpit is so big, has a table, furling main! and I can stand under an awning while sailing. Game over lol. The design truly took a visionary to create and I am always so happy with the boats thoughtful design details. 

Happy Birthday Stan, thank you for being awesome!

Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2024, at 10:16?AM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> ? Yes, Happy Birthday Stan!   You changed all of our lives by introducing us to a sailboat we all love!
> Larry
>    On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:07:54 AM EDT, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
> 
> Happy Birthday STAN!
>   Have a wonderful day!
> 
> Rod and Mary
> WI/now CO
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:07?AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Happy Birthday Stan!!!  98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
>> Wishing you many more.
>> 
>> -Mike
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
>>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
>>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
>>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>>> -Mike Corley
>>> S/V Ranger
>>> Hampton Roads, VA

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 11 13:08:18 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
References: <1361718665.3174485.1710176898712.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1361718665.3174485.1710176898712@mail.yahoo.com>

Happy birthday Stan!? I enjoyed speaking with you at the Annapolis Boat Show this year, I hope to see you next year.
Cheers,Peter Beckerman'86 Rhodes 22?

From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 14:03:14 2024
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <B972EE19-3E00-435E-A974-D78B36601FED@gmail.com>
References: <1006532961.3088544.1710170212483@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B972EE19-3E00-435E-A974-D78B36601FED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmQky41yes8=uafJ+8BTUr3fnvi5Ki9G549_pgAk12iwdA@mail.gmail.com>

Happy birthday Stan. My wife and I were lucky enough to meet you once and
still talk about all your great stories!

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 12:18?PM <tedlesiecki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don?t know Stan but after owning a Rhodes for a year he absolutely
> nailed the experience of an ideal cruising boat in a 22ft package. I mean
> the
> cockpit is so big, has a table, furling main! and I can stand under an
> awning while sailing. Game over lol. The design truly took a visionary to
> create and I am always so happy with the boats thoughtful design details.
>
> Happy Birthday Stan, thank you for being awesome!
>
> Ted
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 11, 2024, at 10:16?AM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > ? Yes, Happy Birthday Stan!   You changed all of our lives by
> introducing us to a sailboat we all love!
> > Larry
> >    On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:07:54 AM EDT, Rod Ellner via
> Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Happy Birthday STAN!
> >   Have a wonderful day!
> >
> > Rod and Mary
> > WI/now CO
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:07?AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Happy Birthday Stan!!!  98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
> >> Wishing you many more.
> >>
> >> -Mike
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they
> have
> >>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> >>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> >>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his
> friends.  He
> >>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to hi
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/p+on+email,+but+you+can+send+mail+to+hi?entry=gmail&source=g>m
> directly at:
> >>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> >>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> >>> Yorktown, VA  23693
> >>> -Mike Corley
> >>> S/V Ranger
> >>> Hampton Roads, VA
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 14:35:26 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>

A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)  

Happy birthday, Stan!

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Michael.
> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many people
> through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> 
> *(781) 704-1037*
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
>> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
>> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.  He
>> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 


From thyatt at mica.edu  Mon Mar 11 15:19:27 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2JApveN79Ni8O=9BPbTda2DO2Zci9mvaTouqNrwiTBsEw@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday Stan. Sorry I missed you at the Annapolis Boat Show. The
rain made it hard for everyone.

Tom Hyatt

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:35?PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we all
> know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a sailboat
> manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of phrase, and
> helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)
>
> Happy birthday, Stan!
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Michael.
> > Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
> > He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many people
> > through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> >
> > *(781) 704-1037*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> >> all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> >> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> >> people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.
> He
> >> is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
> >>
> >> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> >> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> >> Yorktown, VA  23693
> >>
> >> -Mike Corley
> >> S/V Ranger
> >> Hampton Roads, VA
> >>
>
>

From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 17:30:14 2024
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0dea01da73fb$4e6af970$eb40ec50$@gmail.com>

Happy Birthday, Stan.  The manual is great and perfect for a sweet sweet sailboat. Thanks for the creativity o make them both.

Bob Cohen 
S/V Silver Bay
Onekama, MI

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Frank Goldsmith
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday

A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)  

Happy birthday, Stan!

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Michael.
> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many 
> people through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> 
> *(781) 704-1037*
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley 
> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they 
>> have all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing 
>> from people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his 
>> friends.  He is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>> 
>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads, VA
>> 



-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 17:51:28 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:51:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+uZFOyL+wPPEeBhHTq75QiUqW75MmWA4jHvUJL156heg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiXZK9h9qFSpf-qSn5euMeSNpivHGhaaahr-5FLuswoXNA@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birth day Stan from one of your greatest fans.  Where hasn?t a Rhodes
sailed,?  I?ll go there and send you pictures. You have brought such joy
and memories into our lives. Thank you!  Sail on Stan, sail on.


Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Moon Spinner. 1976 Rhodes (new)
Enosis 1983
Xenos 1987-2016 (almost new)

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Happy Birthday Stan!!!   98 years . . . the stories you can tell.
> Wishing you many more.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they have
> > all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> > Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing from
> > people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his friends.
> He
> > is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
> >
> > Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> > 3540 Victory Blvd.
> > Yorktown, VA  23693
> >
> > -Mike Corley
> > S/V Ranger
> > Hampton Roads, VA
> >
>

From john_carlson at mac.com  Mon Mar 11 18:18:57 2024
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <0dea01da73fb$4e6af970$eb40ec50$@gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
 <0dea01da73fb$4e6af970$eb40ec50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C01CF7E9-E808-458A-9890-CD5505946329@mac.com>

Happy birthday Stan! My boat was delivered on March 11, 2012, and I talked to Stan briefly on the phone after his son mentioned it was his birthday. Of course, I said, "Happy Birthday," to which Stan replied, "Happy Boat Day!" And it was (the first of many). 

Thank you, Stan.

--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas

> On Mar 11, 2024, at 4:30?PM, <bobfcohen at gmail.com> <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy Birthday, Stan.  The manual is great and perfect for a sweet sweet sailboat. Thanks for the creativity o make them both.
> 
> Bob Cohen
> S/V Silver Bay
> Onekama, MI
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Frank Goldsmith
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:35 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> 
> A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)
> 
> Happy birthday, Stan!
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Michael.
>> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
>> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many
>> people through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> 
>> *(781) 704-1037*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley
>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they
>>> have all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing
>>> from people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his
>>> friends.  He is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly at:
>>> 
>>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>>> 
>>> -Mike Corley
>>> S/V Ranger
>>> Hampton Roads, VA
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com






From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Mar 11 18:48:09 2024
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 18:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan!
References: <120EC22D-B007-438F-90C5-BF1B31E45BF5.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <120EC22D-B007-438F-90C5-BF1B31E45BF5@aol.com>

Happy Birthday Stan!!!  I?ve met you a few times and have had a few email exchanges with you regarding my boat renovations.  You were very helpful and extremely interesting to speak with.  You?ve created the perfect single handed sailboat in my mind and I?ve spent hundred of hours solo sailing that have been hours well spent. 
Thank you for your vision. 

From retro53 at msn.com  Mon Mar 11 18:52:55 2024
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 22:52:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT4eMSDSKG_BefRbxJv-dhWGPC=a2tDTEj-eCVD+0FFJuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Tom and Everyone,

I installed stanchions with lifelines on my 80 Rhodes about four years ago. Made them up from items offered at Sailrite. Did not encounter any problems with their installation or afterward. I am very glad that I put them on, as they offer a handhold for my grandkids when they are moving around the boat, as well as provide a more comfortable and secure environment in the cockpit. No downside as far as I'm concerned.

Best Regards,
John Keyser

Attached is a picture of Deci-Belle




________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 3:04 PM
To: Tom Hyatt <thyatt at mica.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Side rails

Tom:
If you are talking about lifelines, I don't have them and, frankly, I think
they would be more trouble than useful. To look proportionate to the length
of the boat they would need to be low and as Stan put it, that is the
perfect height to catch behind your knees and ensure that if you go into
the water you will do so head first. I also think that there are already
enough bits of gear to catch the jib sheets. I put a series of handrails
through-bolted to the cabin top that gives me a solid hold - which is what
I think one needs.

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:18?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I know this question has come up before but I would like to throw it out
> there again.
>
> How many Rhodes owners have some sort of side rail or line system to hold
> onto when moving from the cockpit to the bow? Has that helped? Has it made
> you feel more secure than just hanging onto the stays?
>
> I've seen in some of Stan's writings where he has said that this would be
> more of a danger than a help. A tripping hazard, I think he said.
>
> I know that GB offers a rail system that they ( I think) installed onto the
> later rebuilds that Stan did.
>
> I'd be very interested to see what others have done on their own.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore
>
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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 11 19:16:12 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:16:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan!
In-Reply-To: <120EC22D-B007-438F-90C5-BF1B31E45BF5@aol.com>
References: <120EC22D-B007-438F-90C5-BF1B31E45BF5.ref@aol.com>
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 Hi Stan.? Kathy and I hope that you are having a great birthday today.? We talk about you often and look forward to visiting you sometime soon.
All the Best,Don and Kathy SimonsOld Forge, NY
    On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 06:48:26 PM EDT, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday Stan!!!? I?ve met you a few times and have had a few email exchanges with you regarding my boat renovations.? You were very helpful and extremely interesting to speak with.? You?ve created the perfect single handed sailboat in my mind and I?ve spent hundred of hours solo sailing that have been hours well spent. 
Thank you for your vision. 
  

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 19:59:07 2024
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 19:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <C01CF7E9-E808-458A-9890-CD5505946329@mac.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Happy Birthday Stan. I have always appreciated your candidness and
contribution to the sailing community. Best wishes,
Brian Ferguson
S/V NewIn76
Sumter, SC

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 6:19?PM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Happy birthday Stan! My boat was delivered on March 11, 2012, and I talked
> to Stan briefly on the phone after his son mentioned it was his birthday.
> Of course, I said, "Happy Birthday," to which Stan replied, "Happy Boat
> Day!" And it was (the first of many).
>
> Thank you, Stan.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
> > On Mar 11, 2024, at 4:30?PM, <bobfcohen at gmail.com> <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Happy Birthday, Stan.  The manual is great and perfect for a sweet sweet
> sailboat. Thanks for the creativity o make them both.
> >
> > Bob Cohen
> > S/V Silver Bay
> > Onekama, MI
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Frank Goldsmith
> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:35 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> >
> > A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we
> all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a
> sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of
> phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)
> >
> > Happy birthday, Stan!
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > Fairview, NC
> > Lake Keowee, SC
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Michael.
> >> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
> >> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many
> >> people through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
> >>
> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >>
> >> *Stephen Staum*
> >>
> >> *(781) 704-1037*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley
> >> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they
> >>> have all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> >>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing
> >>> from people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his
> >>> friends.  He is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly
> at:
> >>>
> >>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> >>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> >>> Yorktown, VA  23693
> >>>
> >>> -Mike Corley
> >>> S/V Ranger
> >>> Hampton Roads, VA
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > www.avast.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Mar 11 20:12:07 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 20:12:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLFXCuw+jgxooNVOcT3NGzTo1+FcV2F30V9zW8ckrWxy0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLFXCuw+jgxooNVOcT3NGzTo1+FcV2F30V9zW8ckrWxy0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A247C87B-0A9A-4BDD-8E05-C8B2E1C8ECDF@verizon.net>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY STAN! We are so proud to be part of the Rhodes FAMILY. ROSE MUST BE PROUD OF ALL THE JOY YOU HAVE BROUGHT INTO SO MANY LIVES.
SCOTT & REBECCA 
SV PANTALAIMON
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2024, at 7:59?PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Happy Birthday Stan. I have always appreciated your candidness and
> contribution to the sailing community. Best wishes,
> Brian Ferguson
> S/V NewIn76
> Sumter, SC
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 6:19?PM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy birthday Stan! My boat was delivered on March 11, 2012, and I talked
>> to Stan briefly on the phone after his son mentioned it was his birthday.
>> Of course, I said, "Happy Birthday," to which Stan replied, "Happy Boat
>> Day!" And it was (the first of many).
>> 
>> Thank you, Stan.
>> 
>> --
>> John Carlson
>> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>> Lake Waco, Texas
>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 4:30?PM, <bobfcohen at gmail.com> <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Happy Birthday, Stan.  The manual is great and perfect for a sweet sweet
>> sailboat. Thanks for the creativity o make them both.
>>> 
>>> Bob Cohen
>>> S/V Silver Bay
>>> Onekama, MI
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Frank Goldsmith
>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:35 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
>>> 
>>> A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we
>> all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a
>> sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of
>> phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)
>>> 
>>> Happy birthday, Stan!
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>> Fairview, NC
>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Michael.
>>>> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
>>>> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many
>>>> people through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
>>>> 
>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>> 
>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>> 
>>>> *(781) 704-1037*
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley
>>>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they
>>>>> have all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
>>>>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing
>>>>> from people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his
>>>>> friends.  He is not up on email, but you can send mail to him directly
>> at:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
>>>>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
>>>>> Yorktown, VA  23693
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>> S/V Ranger
>>>>> Hampton Roads, VA
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 


From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 11 20:13:09 2024
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLFXCuw+jgxooNVOcT3NGzTo1+FcV2F30V9zW8ckrWxy0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <390576302.3393245.1710202389964@mail.yahoo.com>


Happy Birthday,? Stan !Arr  

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 20:27:21 2024
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 19:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLFXCuw+jgxooNVOcT3NGzTo1+FcV2F30V9zW8ckrWxy0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKfm52Mr20T5xYwHDsAKeOAOM79EeHTN5YTuR8TPA6EoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjeJr6nJgDm2u89C_opW7oL0QPM1xzCK=bATMNj8PSEiFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF193525-230D-4B79-B985-F2432FB98B6A@gmail.com>
 <0dea01da73fb$4e6af970$eb40ec50$@gmail.com>
 <C01CF7E9-E808-458A-9890-CD5505946329@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <CANbEFCtmxSmp3cAQVMyWJ0cebqhfuwONMTQSkQPZ6zdrEDY6_A@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday, Stan!!

I have enjoyed my Rhodes every moment since I bought it just over 3 years
ago. We have spent many hours sailing our large MN Lake,  enjoyed many
evening dinner parties on the spacious cockpit, and quite a few moonlight
sails as well.  Such a great boat!

Thanks and best wishes,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 6:59?PM Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Happy Birthday Stan. I have always appreciated your candidness and
> contribution to the sailing community. Best wishes,
> Brian Ferguson
> S/V NewIn76
> Sumter, SC
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 6:19?PM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Happy birthday Stan! My boat was delivered on March 11, 2012, and I
> talked
> > to Stan briefly on the phone after his son mentioned it was his birthday.
> > Of course, I said, "Happy Birthday," to which Stan replied, "Happy Boat
> > Day!" And it was (the first of many).
> >
> > Thank you, Stan.
> >
> > --
> > John Carlson
> > S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> > Lake Waco, Texas
> >
> > > On Mar 11, 2024, at 4:30?PM, <bobfcohen at gmail.com> <
> bobfcohen at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Happy Birthday, Stan.  The manual is great and perfect for a sweet
> sweet
> > sailboat. Thanks for the creativity o make them both.
> > >
> > > Bob Cohen
> > > S/V Silver Bay
> > > Onekama, MI
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 2:35 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday
> > >
> > > A very happy birthday to the man behind the wonderful sailboat that we
> > all know and love!  (And in addition, I dare anyone to point me to a
> > sailboat manual that is filled with as much wit, humor, clever turns of
> > phrase, and helpful detail as is Stan?s for the Rhodes 22.)
> > >
> > > Happy birthday, Stan!
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > Frank Goldsmith
> > > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > > Fairview, NC
> > > Lake Keowee, SC
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mar 11, 2024, at 11:48?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Michael.
> > >> Please pass on my birthday wishes to Stan for a happy 98th birthday!
> > >> He certainly has had a great life and improved the lives of many
> > >> people through our enjoyment of our Rhodes 22's!
> > >>
> > >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> > >>
> > >> *Stephen Staum*
> > >>
> > >> *(781) 704-1037*
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:14?PM Michael Corley
> > >> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> For those of you who have sent cards and notes thru me to Stan they
> > >>> have all been delivered and he really appreciated hearing from you.
> > >>> Stan will turn 98 on Mar 11th.  He is doing OK, and loves hearing
> > >>> from people on the list, almost all of whom he considers to be his
> > >>> friends.  He is not up on email, but you can send mail to him
> directly
> > at:
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan Spitzer, Apt 252
> > >>> 3540 Victory Blvd.
> > >>> Yorktown, VA  23693
> > >>>
> > >>> -Mike Corley
> > >>> S/V Ranger
> > >>> Hampton Roads, VA
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From gramille at tds.net  Mon Mar 11 21:51:48 2024
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 21:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan
Message-ID: <443BB695-BB9B-4D92-8533-01A43D96E9E1@tds.net>

Love from Vermont.
Loving our Rhodes 22.
What a great bloke you are!
Graham
sv Sailing007 

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 22:49:39 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 22:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan
In-Reply-To: <443BB695-BB9B-4D92-8533-01A43D96E9E1@tds.net>
References: <443BB695-BB9B-4D92-8533-01A43D96E9E1@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CACdaeT718+mor=w0dG3r105MGsJKFhey2OSWq+62BzEShAf0rw@mail.gmail.com>

Happy birthday Stan:
Whenever I start thinking that I am getting too old to be sailing and
contemplate selling my boat I just think of you and that inspires me to go
on for another year. After having Agile for 30 years, not having Agile
would leave a huge hole in my life and I thank you for the wonderful gift
she has been.

Best wishes,

Graham Stewart
Agile 76


On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:28?PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Love from Vermont.
> Loving our Rhodes 22.
> What a great bloke you are!
> Graham
> sv Sailing007
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Mar 11 23:59:39 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan
In-Reply-To: <CACdaeT718+mor=w0dG3r105MGsJKFhey2OSWq+62BzEShAf0rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <443BB695-BB9B-4D92-8533-01A43D96E9E1@tds.net>
 <CACdaeT718+mor=w0dG3r105MGsJKFhey2OSWq+62BzEShAf0rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016401da7431$b57e3e20$207aba60$@ebsmed.com>

Happy 98th Birthday, Stan.

I find it hard to believe that we met just a few years ago, aboard a Rhodes 22 at the 1980 Stamford in the Water. A month or so later, in October 1980, I went for a test sail and ended up in the kitchen at Amityville where we inked the contract to purchase our first Rhodes 22, a 1981, to be delivered in March. Who knew that purchasing a sailboat would change our lives so much.

We are now sailing our second Rhodes 22 and will continue to do so as long as we are able. People still watch us prepare for launch and tell us that they have never seen such a fantastic sailboat cabin and cockpit layout. A Purdue engineer and a Philip Rhodes design, how could you go wrong?

Thanks for producing such a versatile sailboat. Our children grew up on the boat as we went wherever the wind blew. Life changing, for sure.

I have attached one of my favorite images of The Man, taken at Annapolis in 2013. We must have talked for 2-3 hours while we showed the Rhodes 22 to show attendees who were about to have their lives changed.

Thank you for creating such a great craft and supporting the community of Rhodes 22 owners.

Your Brooklyn Poly friend,
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


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From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 12 11:27:00 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabinet doors
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Sent from my iPhone

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Mar 12 12:40:06 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:40:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabinet doors
In-Reply-To: <C77F59F4-262F-4BA7-8FDB-160923864A58@verizon.net>
References: <C77F59F4-262F-4BA7-8FDB-160923864A58@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB4288BBA02AE44CB2D4ADED6E802B2@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Boy Scott,

I just purchased a pair of cabinet doors last fall.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978, Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2024, at 11:27?AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Mar 12 14:01:30 2024
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The List Seems to be Fading Away
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKajGkS4mU+_pw+NTyZPBxknUBeuN8ryjkLhYyYKmreQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jKajGkS4mU+_pw+NTyZPBxknUBeuN8ryjkLhYyYKmreQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC0CC1BE-D345-4F18-8FA7-30DEFA7D3C58@aol.com>

Sorry to say after 2 knee surgeries and 2 back fusions that my Rhodes is aging better than me.  

> On Mar 10, 2024, at 6:27?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I agree completely with Tom's comments.  They are on the mark.
> Old sailors, like old soldiers, never die, they just fade away .  .  .
> 
> -Mike
> s/v Ranger 1999
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:38?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The R22 Facebook account sees sporadic use. Kind of like the email list. In
>> February, there were no posts at all. In January there were 4
>> original posts with a number of comments. In December there were 3 posts
>> with follow-up comments. In November 1 post with comments.
>> 
>> As a new Rhodes 22 owner, I can't speak on why there are fewer posts. My
>> observation however is that the R22 community is an aging one. Looking at
>> where the most action is on Youtube, it is not with daysailing or
>> trailer-sailers but with young couples giving up their day-to-day lives to
>> travel around the world on blue-water cruisers. So perhaps there are not as
>> many new sailors drawn to the kind of weekend sailing on small boats that
>> we all do.
>> 
>> The majority of R22 owners that I have met so far tilt more toward the
>> retired crowd or toward people who once were owners and now have either
>> moved to power boats or larger sailing vessels or have given up sailing
>> altogether. Maybe those that have stayed with their R22s, as I think
>> someone indicated already, have solved most of their issues and questions
>> and don't have as much need for the community as they once did.
>> 
>> Not having GB as an active and vital business certainly has dampened the
>> enthusiasm that would be generated toward new owners if Stan and the
>> business were as active as they were 25 years ago.
>> 
>> Just an observation from a new owner.
>> 
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore, MD
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:51?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on this topic.
>>> 
>>> Clearly it's true that people sell their boats for whatever reason, and
>>> the former owners generally no longer participate in the list.  But if a
>>> boat has been sold, there's now a new owner, and a new potential list
>>> member.  It seems though that fewer new owners are choosing to join our
>>> community.
>>> 
>>> Several people mentioned their age as part of their decision to sell
>> their
>>> boat, which underscores the point that boat buyers will generally be
>>> younger than boat sellers.  This may be a factor in the list's declining
>>> participation numbers.  I've read that kids these days (probably meaning
>>> anyone younger that around 60) don't like to use email much.
>>> 
>>> So, that's really the questing that's been rattling around in my brain
>>> lately: is the size or level of engagement in our community declining due
>>> (at least in part) to the fact that it is based on a technology (email)
>>> whose popularity is also declining?
>>> 
>>> I offer one point of evidence for this proposition: Nabble.  As you may
>>> recall, Nabble was a 3rd party website that provided a web interface to
>> the
>>> Rhodes 22 email list.  There were never any hard numbers about how many
>>> people were using Nabble to participate, rather than using an email
>> client
>>> app, but it was clearly pretty popular.  On the downside, we never had
>> any
>>> control over what Nabble did, and towards the end of June of 2021, it
>> just
>>> went away.  That month had a total of 384 posts.  The most active month
>>> since (October 2021) had 230 posts, and that was something of an outlier.
>>> As I pointed out in the post that started this thread, in 2023 our
>> average
>>> posts per month was 86.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> On a related point, I don't have a Facebook account.  Can someone comment
>>> on how active the Rhodes 22 Facebook group has been lately?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On 2024-03-08, at 17:17:49 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you've thought that traffic on the Rhodes 22 email list has been a
>>> little on
>>>> the light side lately, you're not imagining things.  Message volume has
>>> been
>>>> declining for some time.  Below are the figures for average monthly
>>> posts for
>>>> the last few calendar years:
>>>> 
>>>> 2020 - 229 posts/month
>>>> 2021 - 216
>>>> 2022 - 126
>>>> 2023 - 86
>>>> 
>>>> 2024 has not exactly been off to a roaring start with 38 posts in
>>> January and 35
>>>> in February.
>>>> 
>>>> Back in 2008, there were over 1,000 posts/month, but things fell off to
>>> only
>>>> around 400 in 2009 after political posts were discouraged.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm hoping to start a discussion about possible causes and possible
>>> remedies.  I
>>>> have a few thoughts, but I don't want to start by steering the
>>> discussion in any
>>>> particular direction.
>>>> 
>>>> So, what do you think is causing the decline, and what do you think we
>>> might be
>>>> able to do about it?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (198/2016)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 07:53:15 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:53:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The list doesn't seem to be fading away - today
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnR6YvOeXA6fjRmvtBpg8voKrjBoA1iGC_qMuQW7uHNJw@mail.gmail.com>

Here we are in the middle of March and the list is Jam full! Last month I
was emailing "testing 1 2 3" because the list was empty. Maybe people are
just starting to work on their boats?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 13:09:23 2024
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (Talbot Pratt)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:09:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] my rhodes is for sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2147.1706958758.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.2147.1706958758.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CAFhmpdGnxW_doyfsd9Qj2GRRtC3aSbCyCamaMmqcvPcCYXHBiw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the listing

https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2008-rhodes-rhodes-22-9299413/

Talbot Pratt
978 994 0704
Long Branch NJ

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>    3. Re: cockpit sole (Scott Andrews)
>    4. Re: Water in the Cabin (Reuben Mezrich)
>    5. Re: Water in the Cabin (Graham Stewart)
>    6. Re: Water in the Cabin (Ric Stott)
>    7. Re: Water in the Cabin (Graham Stewart)
>    8. Re: Water in the Cabin (Reuben Mezrich)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:09:50 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID: <a3d9eada-4ed9-433e-a684-4cdcb134d0e4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> without the plank in place.
>
> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>
> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976
>
> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> information you are interested in.? I believe there has been a previous
> discussion of this topic on the list.? Perhaps you can find what you are
> looking for there.
> > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> bunks, not on the keel.
> > Don Simons,? ? Old Forge, NY
> >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> suspect
> > they won't believe it
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don
> >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>  From Practical Sailor
> >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> >> at
> >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> to
> >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  ? Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> that
> >> the
> >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>  ? ? On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich
> <
> >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  ? So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> >> able
> >>>> to
> >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> >> hang
> >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> >>> sure,
> >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> >>> water
> >>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>> sounded
> >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> >>> after
> >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >> bilge,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >> come
> >>>> from
> >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> >>>> greater
> >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>> salinity
> >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf
> >> Of
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> >>> last
> >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >> more
> >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that
> >> much
> >>> -
> >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> >> on
> >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right
> >>> above
> >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >> of
> >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >> too
> >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >> so
> >>> it
> >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position
> >> before
> >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >> sound
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >> before I
> >>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> >>> the
> >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>> attack.
> >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >> 22.
> >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >> when
> >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>> about
> >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> >>> part
> >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >> top
> >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >> leak.
> >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>> trunk).
> >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> <
> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
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> >>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>
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> >>>>
> >
> --
> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "sea20 at verizon.net" <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
> Message-ID: <494611696.1833045.1706723418741 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Greetings all, I have been noticing the cockpit floor on our Rhodes22
> getting softer each year. This year I kept the boat outside and during a
> hard freeze I knew it was time. I read roger's e-mail from 2001 and it made
> the job sound very doable. Has anyone else had experience with stringer and
> foam replacement in the cockpit?
> Scott Andrews
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:45:38 -0500
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: Key West shop email <lockshop at keywestlockandsafe.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
> Message-ID: <7BAAE32C-B0D7-44FD-B9EF-16FA8A213BFC at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 09:29:49 -0500
> From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
>         <CAHrO9mtnhH8F8HFqHBPPRAV023g30M9K9BnKmOUjf=
> rPmczAhg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > without the plank in place.
> >
> > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >
> > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> > Agile 1976
> >
> > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> > information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> > discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
> > looking for there.
> > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> > >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > suspect
> > > they won't believe it
> > > --Reuben
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> Stan.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Don
> > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>>  From Practical Sailor
> > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> serving
> > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> prevents
> > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> be
> > >> at
> > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> > to
> > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>
> > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > that
> > >> the
> > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> Mezrich
> > <
> > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> now
> > >> able
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> > >> hang
> > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > >>> sure,
> > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > >>> water
> > >>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > >>>> sounded
> > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > >>> after
> > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >> bilge,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > >> come
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> was
> > >>>> greater
> > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > >>>> salinity
> > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> races
> > >>> last
> > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > >> more
> > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> > >> much
> > >>> -
> > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> > >> on
> > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> > >>> above
> > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> > >> too
> > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> > >> so
> > >>> it
> > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> > >> before
> > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > >> sound
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > >> before I
> > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > >>> attack.
> > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > >> when
> > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > >>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> > >> on
> > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > >>> part
> > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> boat
> > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > >> I'm
> > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> > >> top
> > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > >> leak.
> > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > >> unlikely
> > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > >>> trunk).
> > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>> <
> > >>>>
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> > >>
> >
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> >
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> > >>>>
> > >
> > --
> > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:32:40 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
>         <CACdaeT7imR=
> fu0Hg7sPN0Qu3V3iyQb5CJckVx1M72jYf_-JwCg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> 20?.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> > aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> > has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> > that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> > outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> > up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> > My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> > > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > > without the plank in place.
> > >
> > > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> > > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> > >
> > > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > >
> > > Agile 1976
> > >
> > > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > > >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find
> the
> > > information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> > > discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> > > looking for there.
> > > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> > > >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > > suspect
> > > > they won't believe it
> > > > --Reuben
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not
> strong
> > > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> > Stan.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Don
> > > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > > >>>  From Practical Sailor
> > > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> > serving
> > > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> > prevents
> > > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there
> should
> > be
> > > >> at
> > > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> > > to
> > > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > > that
> > > >> the
> > > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > > >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> > Mezrich
> > > <
> > > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> > now
> > > >> able
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> > > >> hang
> > > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>> Great point but....
> > > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> > > >>> sure,
> > > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> > > >>> water
> > > >>>>> in the bilge
> > > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> bilge.
> > > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> bilge.
> > > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > > >>>>> --Reuben
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity
> meter
> > > >>>> sounded
> > > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> > > >>> after
> > > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > > >> bilge,
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > > >> come
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> > was
> > > >>>> greater
> > > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > > >>>> salinity
> > > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> > Behalf
> > > >> Of
> > > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Ric
> > > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> > races
> > > >>> last
> > > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> > > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > > >> more
> > > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> > > >> much
> > > >>> -
> > > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> > > >> on
> > > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap
> right
> > > >>> above
> > > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the
> fall
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was
> initially
> > > >> too
> > > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant
> line
> > > >> so
> > > >>> it
> > > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> > > >> before
> > > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > > >> sound
> > > >>>> as
> > > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > > >> before I
> > > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > > >>> attack.
> > > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > > >> 22.
> > > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > > >> when
> > > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > > >>> about
> > > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> > > >> on
> > > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> > > >>> part
> > > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> > boat
> > > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > > >> I'm
> > > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into
> the
> > > >> top
> > > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > > >> leak.
> > > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > > >> unlikely
> > > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> > > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > > >>> trunk).
> > > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
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> was
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> > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available
> > > >>>>>>> URL:
> > > >>>>>>> <
> > > >>>>
> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg>
> > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment
> was
> > > >>>>>>> scrubbed...
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> > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
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> > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available
> > > >>>>>>> URL: <
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg
> > > >>>>>>
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> > > >>>> URL: <
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png
> > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:28:39 -0500
> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
>         <5549D2B4-D271-491D-8B75-441BE52FB59D at stottarchitecture.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> HI Graham
> It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> Long Shaft.
> That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> ?
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 20?.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> of
> >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> >>> without the plank in place.
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>>
> >>> Agile 1976
> >>>
> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> >>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> >>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> >>> looking for there.
> >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> >>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> >>> suspect
> >>>> they won't believe it
> >>>> --Reuben
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> >> Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don
> >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> >> serving
> >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> >> prevents
> >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> >> be
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> >>> to
> >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> >> Mezrich
> >>> <
> >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> >> now
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> >>>>> hang
> >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> >>>>>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> >>>>>> water
> >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>>>>> sounded
> >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >>>>> bilge,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >>>>> come
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> >> was
> >>>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>>>>> salinity
> >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> >> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> >> races
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >>>>> sound
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >>>>> before I
> >>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>>>>> attack.
> >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >>>>> 22.
> >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> >>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> >> boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >>>>> leak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >>>>> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>>>>> trunk).
> >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:39:02 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
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>
> Ric: My experience is the same as you describe. Even with the long shaft I
> have had the prop come out of the water in rough seas - when thrust is most
> important.
> I suppose there might be a way to get by with a short shaft with a special
> motor mount but I would say that you might regret having a short shaft but
> I doubt that you would ever regret having the long shaft. If there is any
> doubt about which to get, going with the long shaft is best.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > HI Graham
> > It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> > If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> > Long Shaft.
> > That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> > prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> > Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> > Ric
> > SV Dadventure
> > 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> > ?
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 20?.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located
> under
> > the
> > >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> > (Mastry)
> > >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> > of
> > >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> > >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> > give
> > >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> > >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> > >>
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had
> added
> > a
> > >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that,
> as
> > >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had
> a
> > >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > >>> without the plank in place.
> > >>>
> > >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift
> so
> > >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because
> of
> > >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the
> material
> > >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> > cabin
> > >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> > >>>
> > >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham Stewart
> > >>>
> > >>> Agile 1976
> > >>>
> > >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > >>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find
> the
> > >>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a
> previous
> > >>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> > are
> > >>> looking for there.
> > >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> > >>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> > >>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > >>> suspect
> > >>>> they won't believe it
> > >>>> --Reuben
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not
> strong
> > >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> > >> Stan.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Don
> > >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> > >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> > >> serving
> > >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> > >> prevents
> > >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there
> should
> > >> be
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> > boat
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > >>> that
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> > >> Mezrich
> > >>> <
> > >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> > >> now
> > >>>>> able
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> > portion
> > >>>>> hang
> > >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> > not
> > >>>>>> sure,
> > >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> > the
> > >>>>>> water
> > >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> > in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected
> in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity
> meter
> > >>>>>>> sounded
> > >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> > left
> > >>>>>> after
> > >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >>>>> bilge,
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to
> have
> > >>>>> come
> > >>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> > >> was
> > >>>>>>> greater
> > >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats.
> The
> > >>>>>>> salinity
> > >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >

From liznray15 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 03:04:14 2024
From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 03:04:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale
Message-ID: <CAOQT4E9X7xwR+N5gdAYbq884gCG78-qev65O8XyQUx253H=jxA@mail.gmail.com>

1995 Rhodes 22, trailer, and a great number of extras.

This boat is set up for weekend and extended cruising.

If interested, send me your email and cell phone number to receive an
inventory list, price, and pictures of the boat.

I can no longer sail due to physical restrictions.

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 11:35:44 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power Systems
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Thought this might be of interest to some.  David Diquinzio Used to be a
Rhodes 22 owner years back.   If you join by Zoom please make sure you mute
your microphones unless you are asking a question.

-Mike
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 16 10:11:05 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:11:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fading Away
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Thomas,    Your boat is A LOT easier and cheaper to fix than you are (sorry to say)
Peter.
>Sorry to say after 2 knee surgeries and 2 back fusions that my Rhodes is aging better than me.  


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Mar 16 13:27:21 2024
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:27:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fading Away
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I am learning that. 

> On Mar 16, 2024, at 10:11?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thomas,    Your boat is A LOT easier and cheaper to fix than you are (sorry to say)
> Peter.
>> Sorry to say after 2 knee surgeries and 2 back fusions that my Rhodes is aging better than me.  
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Mar 16 14:34:53 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:34:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fading Away
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Thomas - it looks to me like we and our boats are not so different.
We?re unsinkable.
Many of us are recycled.  
We?re more active in the summer months 
We?re always worried about our weight.
Designed to be versatile.
Very lively in a puff.
We can change direction when faced with obstacles 
Will spin out of control if over-powered.
But Steady when it blows.  
Built to last if well maintained. 
Our connections tend to wear out as we age.
But easy to fix when broken. 
Parts are accessible but sometimes hard to find or too expensive to purchase. 
But 3rd party parts sometimes do the trick. 
Rarely needs return to factory.
Easily customized
Stands up tall when things are calm.
Hunkers down and steady when properly balanced. 
Pointy up front and wider in the middle.
Deep keeled and steady  when its deep,  nimble and pulled up and tight in the shallows.
We?re amphibious.
We run against the wind but prefer to head down.
Love to get dirty but shine up with ease.
We all look similar, but come in many colors
We all hove distinct characters. 
We can go almost anywhere but avoid heavy seas. 
The only way to keep us in one place is to tie us down.
We  can handle the family for a weekend, but know our limits. 
We?ve been all over the world but kinda like to stay home. 
 
Ric 

Dadventure 
HBNY 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
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> On Mar 16, 2024, at 1:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I am learning that. 
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2024, at 10:11?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Thomas,    Your boat is A LOT easier and cheaper to fix than you are (sorry to say)
>> Peter.
>>> Sorry to say after 2 knee surgeries and 2 back fusions that my Rhodes is aging better than me.  
>> 
> 


From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 18:31:45 2024
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch to Cabin
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRrgFhz29YGZjMrUeuSm=LLVF5ak71B4uGNsfQtxP5Rurg@mail.gmail.com>

My hatch is made of 3/8 in. thick black polycarbonate (lexan). It has a
crack at the bend. Like me it has been patched up and is still serviceable.
I am thinking more about when the time comes to sell the boat. What
material is General Boats currently using? The previous owner said the boat
went through recycling in the early 2000s. So the polycarbonate has held up
to abuse and the sun for 20 years.
It does let some light into the cabin but the black color absorbs a lot of
heat.
Looking for suggestions and ideas of what may be the current or fashionable
update for the market. I know tastes change but I still wear penny loafers
style shoes from the 60s.

Thanks for your help.

Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper   86
Claytor Lake , VA

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Mar 17 09:06:56 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power
 Systems
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Are these presentations recorded?Mikes/v Wind Lass?Nissequogue River, NY?
-------- Original message --------From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> Date: 3/15/24  11:36 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power Systems Thought this might be of interest to some.? David Diquinzio Used to be aRhodes 22 owner years back.?? If you join by Zoom please make sure you muteyour microphones unless you are asking a question.-Mikes/v RangerHampton Roads, VA? PME Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power Systems, by David DiquinzioCan't read or see images? View this email in a browser<https://oldp-cmpzourl.campaign-view.com/ua/viewinbrowser?od=3z2fe555509953d848649317391f0220e4c82a9f88fa41e3a3c4df91b868898272&rd=17d17e07b7b5a1e4&sd=17d17e07b7b5a013&n=11699e4c1810b0f&mrd=17d17e07b7b59ffd&m=1>[image:https://campaign-image.com/zohocampaigns/563370000000830057_zc_v3_pmu.png]Electric and Hybrid Power Systems Lectureby David Diquinzio- 0930, 16 March 2024With all of the discussion of alternative power sources going on today, itis no wonder that there is keen interest in cleaner, more environmentallysafe power sources that are being experimented with and have been developedfor our power boats and sailboats. If you have ever thought aboutconverting your diesel or gasoline powered power boat or sailboat tosomething else, then this is a lecture that is sure to open your eyes tothe possibilities that are already out there and in use today. We havebrought down from Annapolis an expert in the field for converting your boatto all electric or hydrid power. David Diquinzio of Annapolis Hybrid Marinewill be in the clubhouse with a lecture to discuss the theory of electricpower and hybrid systems, the pros and cons of converting your boat andwill show some recent examples that they have completed. It should be avery informative and interesting lecture.??? As always, the Joe will be hot as will the Krispy Kremes, so pleasejoin us at the clubhouse or if you can't make it, join our Zoom channel andwatch it from home or wherever you happen to be. For those that can't makeit to the clubhouse, the lecture will be broadcast on our PMU ZOOM Channeland you can also listen in from the audio dial-in numbers below. The linkto the Zoom meeting (for future reference, it should be the same link forthe remainder of the 2024 PMU semester) is:https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87070204454?pwd=UzUxQktURXlIekxpeEh1RjE5R0g2Zz09<https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/click/17d17e07b7b5a1e4/17d17e07b7b59cd1>Meeting ID: 870 7020 4454Passcode: 481200For those that want to dial in:---One tap mobile+16465588656,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#US (New York)+16469313860,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#US---Dial by your location? +1 646 558 8656US? +1 301 715 8592US (Washington DC)? +1 305 224 1968US? +1 309 205 3325Look forward to seeing you there!Keith MidgetteOPCYC Commodore and Training Rear Commodore[image:https://stratus.campaign-image.com/images/563370000010026006_4_1710268788081_zc-noimage.png]This email was sent by commodore at opcyc.org to corleymichaelsix at aol.comNot interested? Unsubscribe<https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/ua/optout?od=3z2fe555509953d848649317391f0220e4c82a9f88fa41e3a3c4df91b868898272&rd=17d17e07b7b5a1e4&sd=17d17e07b7b5a013&n=11699e4c1810b0f>| Manage Preference<https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/ua/commpref?od=3z2fe555509953d848649317391f0220e4c82a9f88fa41e3a3c4df91b868898272&rd=17d17e07b7b5a1e4&sd=17d17e07b7b5a013&n=11699e4c1810b0f>| Update profile<https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/ua/upc?upd=17d17e07b71d3a39&r=17d17e07b7b5a1e4&n=11699e4c1810b0f&od=3z2fe555509953d848649317391f0220e4c82a9f88fa41e3a3c4df91b868898272>Old Point Comfort Yacht Club | P.O. Box 3369 Hampton, VA 23663-0369<https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/click/17d17e07b7b5a1e4/17d17e07b7b59c16>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Mar 17 12:19:08 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:19:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch to Cabin
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Hi Cary,

My 1978 Rhodes 22 has a luan teak plywood companionway hatch cover.  The hinge is a SS piano hinge.  I have to take the hatch cover apart, sand it down, and revarnish every couple of years.  But, given that minimal maintenance, it's still the original hatch cover.  Of course, it doesn't allow any light into the cabin when closed; but, it also doesn't get hot in direct sunshine.  Freshly varnished, I think it looks good, very traditional.  Even when UV stabilized, polycarbonate will take UV damage from the sun.  Polycarbonate is a crystaline polymer, which means it inherantly tends to fail by brittle fracture, even when new.  UV exposure only renders it more brittle.  Is your hinge thru bolted or are the screws threaded into the Lexan?  If it is threaded; then, you  could make it somewhat more resistant to cracking by drilling out the threads.  Then, thru bolt it using the biggest OD fender washers that will fit.  Thru bolting with fender washers to spread the load will make the hinge assembly much less likely to crack.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 6:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hatch to Cabin

My hatch is made of 3/8 in. thick black polycarbonate (lexan). It has a
crack at the bend. Like me it has been patched up and is still serviceable.
I am thinking more about when the time comes to sell the boat. What
material is General Boats currently using? The previous owner said the boat
went through recycling in the early 2000s. So the polycarbonate has held up
to abuse and the sun for 20 years.
It does let some light into the cabin but the black color absorbs a lot of
heat.
Looking for suggestions and ideas of what may be the current or fashionable
update for the market. I know tastes change but I still wear penny loafers
style shoes from the 60s.

Thanks for your help.

Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper   86
Claytor Lake , VA

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 16:39:42 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power
	Systems
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A few are recorded, most are not.  David Diquinzio's presentation on
electric propulsion was not.  It was a very good presentation and he
convinced me that electric is the way of the future, and the future is here
now.  Just need to convince more boat manufacturers of it.  "The future is
electric." - Stan Spitzer
His company sells an electric outboard,  6 and 9.9hp equivalent, that would
easily power the Rhodes.  David and his wife used to own a Rhodes 22 before
trading up to a larger boat.  He is very interesting to talk with and very
passionate about electric propulsion.  His contact info is below.
David DiQuinzio, PE. 443-924-4484
DDiQuinzio at annapolishybridmarine.com
www.annapolishybridmarine.com

-Mike
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 9:14?AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Are these presentations recorded?Mikes/v Wind Lass Nissequogue River, NY
> -------- Original message --------From: Michael Corley <
> michael.4591 at gmail.com> Date: 3/15/24  11:36 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject:
> [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: PMU Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power Systems Thought
> this might be of interest to some.  David Diquinzio Used to be aRhodes 22
> owner years back.   If you join by Zoom please make sure you muteyour
> microphones unless you are asking a question.-Mikes/v RangerHampton Roads,
> VA? PME Lecture- Electric and Hybrid Power Systems, by David DiquinzioCan't
> read or see images? View this email in a browser<
> https://oldp-cmpzourl.campaign-view.com/ua/viewinbrowser?od=3z2fe555509953d848649317391f0220e4c82a9f88fa41e3a3c4df91b868898272&rd=17d17e07b7b5a1e4&sd=17d17e07b7b5a013&n=11699e4c1810b0f&mrd=17d17e07b7b59ffd&m=1
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> and Hybrid Power Systems Lectureby David Diquinzio- 0930, 16 March 2024With
> all of the discussion of alternative power sources going on today, itis no
> wonder that there is keen interest in cleaner, more environmentallysafe
> power sources that are being experimented with and have been developedfor
> our power boats and sailboats. If you have ever thought aboutconverting
> your diesel or gasoline powered power boat or sailboat tosomething else,
> then this is a lecture that is sure to open your eyes tothe possibilities
> that are already out there and in use today. We havebrought down from
> Annapolis an expert in the field for converting your boatto all electric or
> hydrid power. David Diquinzio of Annapolis Hybrid Marinewill be in the
> clubhouse with a lecture to discuss the theory of electricpower and hybrid
> systems, the pros and cons of converting your boat andwill show some recent
> examples that they have completed. It should be avery informative and
> interesting lecture.    As always, the Joe will be hot as will the Krispy
> Kremes, so pleasejoin us at the clubhouse or if you can't make it, join our
> Zoom channel andwatch it from home or wherever you happen to be. For those
> that can't makeit to the clubhouse, the lecture will be broadcast on our
> PMU ZOOM Channeland you can also listen in from the audio dial-in numbers
> below. The linkto the Zoom meeting (for future reference, it should be the
> same link forthe remainder of the 2024 PMU semester) is:
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87070204454?pwd=UzUxQktURXlIekxpeEh1RjE5R0g2Zz09
> <
> https://oldp-cmpzourl.maillist-manage.com/click/17d17e07b7b5a1e4/17d17e07b7b59cd1>Meeting
> ID: 870 7020 4454Passcode: 481200For those that want to dial in:---One tap
> mobile+16465588656,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#US (New
> York)+16469313860,,87070204454#,,,,*481200#US---Dial by your location? +1
> 646 558 8656US? +1 301 715 8592US (Washington DC)? +1 305 224 1968US? +1
> 309 205 3325Look forward to seeing you there!Keith MidgetteOPCYC Commodore
> and Training Rear Commodore[image:
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 16:46:53 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
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I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!

-Mike
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From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 19 16:49:31 2024
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:49:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
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For those of us who could not be there, THANK YOU.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 4:47 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:

I am a little late in getting these pictures out.? It was an honor to help
celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.? In case you are wondering, that is a
delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!

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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 16:50:58 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:50:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
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Thanks so much for those pictures!  It?s great to see Stan looking so happy as he?s being feted.  

Best,

Frank


> On Mar 19, 2024, at 4:46?PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Mar 19 16:52:06 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
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STAN - I LOVE CARROT CAKE - IT'S MY FAVORITE. 
ALL THE BEST TO YOU. 
RIC 
SV DADAVENTURE. 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Mar 19, 2024, at 4:49 PM, elle via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> For those of us who could not be there, THANK YOU.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 4:47 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
> 
> -Mike
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 16:53:33 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:53:33 -0400
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Fabulous pictures. Thanks so much.

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
>
> -Mike
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Mar 19 16:53:49 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
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Thank you to all who helped make Stan great on his 98th birthday!

Nice pictures, Mike.

Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
Stott
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 4:52 PM
To: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday

STAN - I LOVE CARROT CAKE - IT'S MY FAVORITE. 
ALL THE BEST TO YOU. 
RIC 
SV DADAVENTURE. 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Mar 19, 2024, at 4:49 PM, elle via Rhodes22-list
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> For those of us who could not be there, THANK YOU.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 4:47 PM, Michael Corley
<michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
> 
> -Mike
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From thyatt at mica.edu  Tue Mar 19 20:10:10 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore, MD.

From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 19 20:16:58 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:16:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
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Wonderful!! Thank you for sharing ??
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 4:54?PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you to all who helped make Stan great on his 98th birthday!
> 
> Nice pictures, Mike.
> 
> Mike Weisner
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
> Stott
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 4:52 PM
> To: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
> 
> STAN - I LOVE CARROT CAKE - IT'S MY FAVORITE.
> ALL THE BEST TO YOU.
> RIC
> SV DADAVENTURE.
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2024, at 4:49 PM, elle via Rhodes22-list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> For those of us who could not be there, THANK YOU.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 4:47 PM, Michael Corley
>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
>> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
>> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
>> 
>> -Mike
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From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Mar 19 23:51:14 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 21:51:14 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
Message-ID: <24631FC7-6134-4BC6-B753-0DD7769E8876@mac.com>

Mike:

Thank you for posting the pictures of Stan?s 98th??I sent some on to former Rhodes also??.thank you?..rod and Mary/Wisconsin now Colorado

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 05:45:45 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:45:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Top
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmn+k2ri+kNa4Guwr7-ucKfqBkfkcwWHWQU3O1y4i40Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Of the six sailboats I have on owned, the Rhodes is the first one I had
with a Bimini top. I didn't know what I was missing. It really makes
sailing on a hot summer day much more comfortable. The Bimini came with my
Rhodes but looks a lot like the type you can buy at West Marine or Defender
Industries. The aluminum frame is a little on the flimsy side, but so far
has caused no trouble at all. The only downside is that it can get in the
way when boarding, if it is up. It also can get in the way if you like to
steer from the weather rail.
 Go get one!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 09:51:01 2024
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:51:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
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A bimini adds comfort and enjoyment.  It is the difference between being
stuck on an open lifeboat and cruising in the shade with a cold drink in
your hand . . .
Definitely get one!

Mike
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
> know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
> in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
> specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore, MD.
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 09:56:05 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jJ7Ud=qUXXqTvuKYUohAQZzj5Yi0RoA7agUOConGA0HYw@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree.  True, it gets in the way sometimes, but overall it?s definitely worth it.  My boat came with the frame already on it and an old, very worn bimini.  We had a local canvas sewer at our sailing club make a new cover, and it?s been great to have. 

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Mar 20, 2024, at 9:51?AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A bimini adds comfort and enjoyment.  It is the difference between being
> stuck on an open lifeboat and cruising in the shade with a cold drink in
> your hand . . .
> Definitely get one!
> 
> Mike
> s/v Ranger
> Hampton Roads, VA
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10?PM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
>> know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
>> in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
>> specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> 
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore, MD.
>> 


From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 20 11:14:05 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKL8idufP1MScSfeaOf1JF_SH4etu_1cSikunJbsagM3g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <358577932.3838932.1710947645533@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mike,? Thank-you for sending these photos.? I'm glad that you and the Gabriel's were there to celebrate with him.
Don Simons,Old Forge, NY
    On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 04:47:13 PM EDT, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I am a little late in getting these pictures out.? It was an honor to help
celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.? In case you are wondering, that is a
delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!

-Mike
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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 20 11:21:12 2024
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>

 Tom,? I too highly recommend a bimini.? I sewed mine from a Sailrite kit and we're very happy with it.? Like others have said, I wish I had one on our previous sailboats.? After installing this on our Rhodes, I bought a TaylorMade one from Overton's for our bowrider.
Don Simons,Old Forge, NY
    On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 08:10:26 PM EDT, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
 
 I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore, MD.
  

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Mar 20 11:43:52 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Bimini top for Rhodes
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Hi Tom,

When I built my bimini top, I started with the following assumptions:


  1.
Standing headroom under the bimini top when it is erected
  2.
Covers the full width of the cockpit
  3.
Can sail with the bimini top up, at least in light air
     *
Therefore, minimal interference with sail trimming controls, primarily genoa sheets & mainsheet

Assuming you are going to use a ready made kit from a vender like Taylor Made Products, you would want a width of 91"-96", 42" height,  6' long, 3-bow, (West Marine M/N: 598160S, TAYLR#: 62060, Cost: $599.99 + S&H).  I choose white for my bimini canvas color because darker colors will be significantly warmer in the sun vs. light colors.  I choose Pacific Blue for the color of the bimini boot to match the color of other canvas I already had on the boat.  In addition, you will need to order two Taylor Made SS Horizontal Deck Hinges (M/N: 592677, TAYLR#: 11734, Cost: $18.49 + S&H Each) and four eye straps for anchoring the corners of the bimini.

6 feet of length is about the maximum for your bimini without interfering with the backstays, traveller, and mainsheet.  Assuming you mount the deck hinges on the gunnel, 42" of height will give you standing headroom under the bimini.  The top of my bimini just clears the bottom of my mainsail boom when the boom is in the upper position.  Remember, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a standard mainsail, so I don't know about boom clearance with an IMF mainsail.  The attached photo shows the erected bimini:

[cid:7bbfaeda-63a3-48e5-ae31-3f3d4d970794]

The fore/aft location f the bimini deck hinges is critical.  Too far aft and the bimini will interfere with the backstays, traveller, and main sheet.  Too far forward and the bimini will interfere with access to the bow and getting on/off the boat.  Note that the front of the erected bimini extends forward almost to the companionway.  In fact, I can raise the pop top W/O interfering with the bimini.  You don't want the bimini to extend any further forward or you will make access to the bow and getting on/off the boat from the side decks unnecessarily difficult.  You can see in the picture; that, my bimini is not too bad in these respects.

The bimini top adds a lot of "sail area" aft of the center of effort.  It's a real drag parachute on any point of sail forward of the beam; both slowing the boat down, increasing angle of heel, and increasing weather helm.  On points of sail aft of the beam, the bimini increases lee helm.  My RayMarine autopilot has a difficult time steering with the bimini up on a broad reach or dead down wind.  Even a human helmsman needs to pay attention lest the bimini top cause the boat to spin out and broach.  The downwind sail plan is much more balanced if you strike the mainsail and just put out lots of genoa &/or a cruising spinnaker.

The bimini top is not a good solution for keeping you out of foul weather when sailing.  In heavy air, I need to be able to lower the boom and then there isn't enough vertical clearance under the boom.  So, we're talking about an accessory that can only be used when the conditions permit the boom to be in the upper position.  However, in light air, on a hot sunny day, at anchor, or at the dock; the bimini top is WONDERFUL!  It makes the boat seem much more civilized to be able to get out of the sun or the rain and sit in the cockpit with a drink in your hand.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 8:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes

I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore, MD.
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From Tejas.Hill at outlook.com  Wed Mar 20 14:11:31 2024
From: Tejas.Hill at outlook.com (Tex Hill)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:11:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Stan=E2=80=99s_98th_Birthday?=
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Stan looks great! We sold our boat since I am 90 + and getting difficult to get on and off. 
Is anyone building new ?
Tex and Gloria Hill
Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:14?AM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ? Mike,  Thank-you for sending these photos.  I'm glad that you and the Gabriel's were there to celebrate with him.
> Don Simons,Old Forge, NY
>    On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 04:47:13 PM EDT, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> I am a little late in getting these pictures out.  It was an honor to help
> celebrate Stan's 98th birthday.  In case you are wondering, that is a
> delicious organic carrot cake Cecilia Gabriel made from scratch!
> 
> -Mike
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 18:38:27 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
In-Reply-To: <24631FC7-6134-4BC6-B753-0DD7769E8876@mac.com>
References: <24631FC7-6134-4BC6-B753-0DD7769E8876@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVysQmXxWxgK12U8wBrM3YnvUtM=dKBMazxnNAmcwKwng@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for including us in Stan?s 98th. What a great human being!

Chris & Alice Geankoplis.
S/V Xenos

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:59?PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Mike:
>
> Thank you for posting the pictures of Stan?s 98th??I sent some on to
> former Rhodes also??.thank you?..rod and Mary/Wisconsin now Colorado
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 19, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Thu Mar 21 11:03:44 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 09:03:44 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 98th Birthday
Message-ID: <117FE9D7-814A-40F5-BB06-5E9C5FAB4081@mac.com>

Thanks for  letting us all share in Stan?s birthday     He?s been a part of a lot of peoples lives ?.   Rod and Mary Ellner

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

From rweiss at siu.edu  Thu Mar 21 12:32:53 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:32:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.

I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 14:39:06 2024
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 11:39:06 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuM1sXqBYKzQ1o5WegYO1sa=u-ndocOFW4kJKDO9rvo_8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:
If you're only going in and out from the dock, I recommend a Torqeedo long
shaft three horsepower equivalent.   I have had mine for 10 years. Easy to
charge, either by taking the battery home or on the boat via  GB solar
panel.

Hope this helps,

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 9:33?AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion
> electric motors.
>
> I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found
> something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9
> equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the
> batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I
> can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller
> Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and
> use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a
> lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis
> Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs.
> But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 14:44:12 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuM1sXqBYKzQ1o5WegYO1sa=u-ndocOFW4kJKDO9rvo_8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAMzGxuM1sXqBYKzQ1o5WegYO1sa=u-ndocOFW4kJKDO9rvo_8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <779960AF-F97A-4B35-900E-E4264D5CA942@gmail.com>

Same here ? that?s exactly what I have.  Works great, and if the wind dies, it has enough juice to get me back to the dock from about anywhere I?d normally sail on our lake.  The Torqeedo is German-made and seems pretty reliable.  

Frank
  
Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Mar 21, 2024, at 2:39?PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> If you're only going in and out from the dock, I recommend a Torqeedo long
> shaft three horsepower equivalent.   I have had mine for 10 years. Easy to
> charge, either by taking the battery home or on the boat via  GB solar
> panel.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 9:33?AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion
>> electric motors.
>> 
>> I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found
>> something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9
>> equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the
>> batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I
>> can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller
>> Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and
>> use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a
>> lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis
>> Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs.
>> But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
>> 
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> 
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> 


From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 15:40:16 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7D47D73F-B6D9-490B-AC55-91EC2A2DE10F@gmail.com>

Yes Sally sold me the spirit. It?s great. It has plenty of power. Electric has full torque at low throttle input so don?t let the lower hp rating influence you too much. I charge the battery at home bring it out to boat. The remote Bluetooth throttle is very cool. I didn?t need a tiller throttle because the steering link to the boats rudder. 



Ted


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:33?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.
> 
> I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC

From rweiss at siu.edu  Thu Mar 21 15:46:29 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:46:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <7D47D73F-B6D9-490B-AC55-91EC2A2DE10F@gmail.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB837884A9400F2779B911E87AC6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <7D47D73F-B6D9-490B-AC55-91EC2A2DE10F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB8378FB56BDC7E50194A997A8C6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Ted,

I have Stan?s tiller connection to my Mercury OB but didn?t know how that could connect to the electric without a pin on top. Did you make your own connection?

Bob.

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC

________________________________
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:40:16 PM
To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Yes Sally sold me the spirit. It?s great. It has plenty of power. Electric has full torque at low throttle input so don?t let the lower hp rating influence you too much. I charge the battery at home bring it out to boat. The remote Bluetooth throttle is very cool. I didn?t need a tiller throttle because the steering link to the boats rudder.



Ted


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:33?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.
>
> I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC

From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 19:55:25 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 18:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB8378FB56BDC7E50194A997A8C6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB8378FB56BDC7E50194A997A8C6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B7B55B66-E0BA-46F0-8C93-07AB4F06FFDC@gmail.com>

I took pin mount off my old motor. Then drilled 2 holes in the spirts battery handle in the bolt spacing. It?s just a plastic handle. Not sure how it could have lined up right but the connection piece lined up perfectly. Like when the electrical motor is dropped into water the pin still sits in roughly same location as when it was on the gas motor. But the battery handle seems strong enough to support the pin connection loads from steering. Not pretty but functional lol



Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 2:46?PM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> ?
> Ted, 
> 
> I have Stan?s tiller connection to my Mercury OB but didn?t know how that could connect to the electric without a pin on top. Did you make your own connection?  
> 
> Bob. 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL 
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> 
> From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:40:16 PM
> To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
>  
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> 
> Yes Sally sold me the spirit. It?s great. It has plenty of power. Electric has full torque at low throttle input so don?t let the lower hp rating influence you too much. I charge the battery at home bring it out to boat. The remote Bluetooth throttle is very cool. I didn?t need a tiller throttle because the steering link to the boats rudder.
> 
> 
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:33?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.
> >
> > I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
> >
> > Bob
> > Beach Spring
> >
> > Robert L Weiss Jr.
> > Director of Music
> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Fri Mar 22 09:48:48 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:48:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <B7B55B66-E0BA-46F0-8C93-07AB4F06FFDC@gmail.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB8378FB56BDC7E50194A997A8C6322@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks for the great photo,  Ted. This really helps. Nice to know my current rudder/motor setup could still work.

Where and how did you mount the remote throttle?

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 6:55 PM
To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors


[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

I took pin mount off my old motor. Then drilled 2 holes in the spirts battery handle in the bolt spacing. It?s just a plastic handle. Not sure how it could have lined up right but the connection piece lined up perfectly. Like when the electrical motor is dropped into water the pin still sits in roughly same location as when it was on the gas motor. But the battery handle seems strong enough to support the pin connection loads from steering. Not pretty but functional lol

[image0.jpeg]

Ted

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2024, at 2:46?PM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:

?
Ted,

I have Stan?s tiller connection to my Mercury OB but didn?t know how that could connect to the electric without a pin on top. Did you make your own connection?

Bob.

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC

________________________________
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:40:16 PM
To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Yes Sally sold me the spirit. It?s great. It has plenty of power. Electric has full torque at low throttle input so don?t let the lower hp rating influence you too much. I charge the battery at home bring it out to boat. The remote Bluetooth throttle is very cool. I didn?t need a tiller throttle because the steering link to the boats rudder.



Ted


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:33?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.
>
> I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 10:09:17 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB8378D5A82354B76A407DAF06C6312@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH0PR07MB8378D5A82354B76A407DAF06C6312@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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I was going to mount it but just been holding it in my hand or having it around cockpit. It makes docking so controlled. I do have to check if it floats or I might put a little foam with it. Or could tie it on to the boat. Losing it overboard would let you practice docking under sail 

Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2024, at 8:48?AM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for the great photo,  Ted. This really helps. Nice to know my current rudder/motor setup could still work. 
> 
> Where and how did you mount the remote throttle? 
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 6:55 PM
> To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
>  
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> 
> I took pin mount off my old motor. Then drilled 2 holes in the spirts battery handle in the bolt spacing. It?s just a plastic handle. Not sure how it could have lined up right but the connection piece lined up perfectly. Like when the electrical motor is dropped into water the pin still sits in roughly same location as when it was on the gas motor. But the battery handle seems strong enough to support the pin connection loads from steering. Not pretty but functional lol
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2024, at 2:46?PM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Ted, 
>> 
>> I have Stan?s tiller connection to my Mercury OB but didn?t know how that could connect to the electric without a pin on top. Did you make your own connection?  
>> 
>> Bob. 
>> 
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL 
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> 
>> From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com <tedlesiecki at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:40:16 PM
>> To: Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric motors
>>  
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>> 
>> Yes Sally sold me the spirit. It?s great. It has plenty of power. Electric has full torque at low throttle input so don?t let the lower hp rating influence you too much. I charge the battery at home bring it out to boat. The remote Bluetooth throttle is very cool. I didn?t need a tiller throttle because the steering link to the boats rudder.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 21, 2024, at 11:33?AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?Thank you to Mike Corley for posting the link and info on the Epropulsion electric motors.
>> >
>> > I've been drooling over electric motors for years, but never found something that would work satisfactorily on the Rhodes. I know the 6 or 9.9 equivalent of the Epropulsion motors would be strong enough, but the batteries are too big and heavy for me to take off the boat to charge. I can't charge at the dock. Has anyone here on the list used the smaller Spirit 1.0 Evo or Plus on the Rhodes 22? I only sail on Kentucky Lake and use the motor to go in and out of the marina, so my needs are less than a lot of you on larger bodies of water. I have contacted Sally at Annapolis Hybrid Marine, and she thinks the Spirit would be sufficient for my needs. But I would love to have this confirmed by someone who has used one.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> > Beach Spring
>> >
>> > Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> > Director of Music
>> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Fri Mar 22 11:47:43 2024
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:47:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61614.24.140.113.219.1711122463.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>


I highly recommend the bikini. Mine came with the boat. Mine mounts on the
T- rail for the jib sheets, behind the block. It slides back and forth, so
it is very adjustable. I just clip the straps to the rear lower fore stays
and the back stays and adjust the straps for desired position. Riding out
a rain at anchor,i adjust the front down on the pop-top, and leave the
hatch out and stay dry and ventilated .

Jerry Lowe
S/V Country Rhodes '86


Tom,?? I too highly recommend a bimini.?? I sewed mine from a Sailrite
> kit and we're very happy with it.?? Like others have said, I wish I had
> one on our previous sailboats.?? After installing this on our Rhodes, I
> bought a TaylorMade one from Overton's for our bowrider.
> Don Simons,Old Forge, NY
>     On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 08:10:26 PM EDT, Tom Hyatt via
> Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>  I'm mulling over whether I want to install a bimini top on my Rhodes. I
> know from pictures that some of you have done this already. I'm interested
> in the pros and cons and, for those of you who have bimini tops, are there
> specs of sizes and brands that you could share with me.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore, MD.
>
>



From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Mar 22 15:23:51 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <61614.24.140.113.219.1711122463.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>
 <61614.24.140.113.219.1711122463.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <002901da7c8e$79d23330$6d769990$@ebsmed.com>

Jerry,

I too recommend the bikini. Mine did not come with the previously owned
Rhodes 22. I'm sure that my wife would not have approved anyway.

In recent years I have added (or considered) many creature comforts to my
Rhodes that had been on my wish list when I was younger, like autopilot,
pump out head, electric propulsion, real solar, bimini top, etc. As an
example,I absolutely love the Ray Marine autopilot. It is so much more
useful than a tiller tamer! 

I am contemplating adding a bimini top to this year's pre-launch projects.
Jerry, do you have pictures and the brand of your bimini top? I like that it
is mounted to the T-rails.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
cjlowe at sssnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 11:48 AM
To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes


I highly recommend the bikini. Mine came with the boat. Mine mounts on the
T- rail for the jib sheets, behind the block. It slides back and forth, so
it is very adjustable. I just clip the straps to the rear lower fore stays
and the back stays and adjust the straps for desired position. Riding out a
rain at anchor,i adjust the front down on the pop-top, and leave the hatch
out and stay dry and ventilated .

Jerry Lowe
S/V Country Rhodes '86




From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Mar 22 15:47:28 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric propulsion vs. electric start
Message-ID: <002a01da7c91$c6737b10$535a7130$@ebsmed.com>

After I read about Reuben's loss of his ePropulsion system and batteries, I
reevaluated adding electric propulsion to my R22. Considering the cost, it
is just not ready for all that can easily happen on a sailboat. I wish that
the electric systems were more robust or cost less so that I wouldn't cry if
they were lost or damaged. I even looked at the specs on some low cost
Hangkai electric outboards from China. Maybe I could mount twin 1200W/5HP
engines ($266 each w/free shipping from eBay) and see if I could steer by
varying the engine speeds. The products are poorly documented and I am not
sure how to mount two engines without obstructing the stern boarding ladder
on the starboard side. As a result I decided to put off electric propulsion,
for now.

 

I had wanted electric propulsion for many reasons such using the high torque
at low speeds of the electric engines when maneuvering in close quarters.
Also they have remotes that permit you to dock much more easily while moving
about the boat. One additional reason is that has become more of an issue in
the past few years to start my Yamaha outboard due to the disproportionate
aging of my shoulder and rotator cuff, even if it only requires 1 or 2
pulls.

 

Since I was not ready to take the ePropulsion plunge, I decided to add
electric start to my 6 HP Yamaha. In addition to the kit of electric start
components, I had to scrounge up an "electric flywheel / rotor" (with teeth)
and a bracket for the starter motor. eBay is great for such parts in gently
used condition. Total cost is projected to be about $525 including a new
battery. It seemed worthwhile to spend on a low hours 19 year old 6 HP
4-stroke that still runs great. I'll post a report when it is done.

 

I may yet purchase the 48V Hangkai 1200W to see how it works. I can do sea
trials on my dinghy if I can find space for the four 12V batteries!

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

I'd rather be sailing :~)

 

 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Mar 22 18:14:09 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 22:14:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <002901da7c8e$79d23330$6d769990$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>
 <61614.24.140.113.219.1711122463.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <002901da7c8e$79d23330$6d769990$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR10MB4283B9F81880A563A5DFC0EA80312@DM6PR10MB4283.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mike,

For awhile, I had my bimini top pivots mounted to Schaefer track slides on the genoa T-Tracks.  From West Marine, the equivalent parts are: M/N: 129346, SCHAE#: 17-59, Cost: $77.99 + S&H Each.  Plus, you will to get some shoulder bolts, washers, fender washers, and Nylok nuts from your local hardware store.  This setup worked, after a fashion.  I eventually permanently thru-bolted the bimini top pivots to the gunnel.  The T-Track mount wasn't as rigid as I would have liked plus there was ~3" between the pin stop holes, which yielded pretty coarse resolution on the fore/aft placement.  But, my main issue with the T-Track mounting was that the bimini top mounts blocked fore/aft adjustment of the genoa sheet lead position.  But, this T-Track setup did allow me to determine exactly where I wanted to mount the bimini top pivots.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 3:23 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes

Jerry,

I too recommend the bikini. Mine did not come with the previously owned
Rhodes 22. I'm sure that my wife would not have approved anyway.

In recent years I have added (or considered) many creature comforts to my
Rhodes that had been on my wish list when I was younger, like autopilot,
pump out head, electric propulsion, real solar, bimini top, etc. As an
example,I absolutely love the Ray Marine autopilot. It is so much more
useful than a tiller tamer!

I am contemplating adding a bimini top to this year's pre-launch projects.
Jerry, do you have pictures and the brand of your bimini top? I like that it
is mounted to the T-rails.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
cjlowe at sssnet.com
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 11:48 AM
To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes


I highly recommend the bikini. Mine came with the boat. Mine mounts on the
T- rail for the jib sheets, behind the block. It slides back and forth, so
it is very adjustable. I just clip the straps to the rear lower fore stays
and the back stays and adjust the straps for desired position. Riding out a
rain at anchor,i adjust the front down on the pop-top, and leave the hatch
out and stay dry and ventilated .

Jerry Lowe
S/V Country Rhodes '86




From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 20:34:50 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:34:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric propulsion vs. electric start
In-Reply-To: <002a01da7c91$c6737b10$535a7130$@ebsmed.com>
References: <002a01da7c91$c6737b10$535a7130$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVgwg=atiWsjo_Akhj173hHoXUreORj4JOqaD+bYahzyw@mail.gmail.com>

Do keep us posted!  I had a 6 hp Electric start Yamaha and it took us
everywhere but was a bit underpowered for the currents in BC and Mexico. It
was a real joy to use
Chris Geankoplis
Sv XENOS


On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:47?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> After I read about Reuben's loss of his ePropulsion system and batteries, I
> reevaluated adding electric propulsion to my R22. Considering the cost, it
> is just not ready for all that can easily happen on a sailboat. I wish that
> the electric systems were more robust or cost less so that I wouldn't cry
> if
> they were lost or damaged. I even looked at the specs on some low cost
> Hangkai electric outboards from China. Maybe I could mount twin 1200W/5HP
> engines ($266 each w/free shipping from eBay) and see if I could steer by
> varying the engine speeds. The products are poorly documented and I am not
> sure how to mount two engines without obstructing the stern boarding ladder
> on the starboard side. As a result I decided to put off electric
> propulsion,
> for now.
>
>
>
> I had wanted electric propulsion for many reasons such using the high
> torque
> at low speeds of the electric engines when maneuvering in close quarters.
> Also they have remotes that permit you to dock much more easily while
> moving
> about the boat. One additional reason is that has become more of an issue
> in
> the past few years to start my Yamaha outboard due to the disproportionate
> aging of my shoulder and rotator cuff, even if it only requires 1 or 2
> pulls.
>
>
>
> Since I was not ready to take the ePropulsion plunge, I decided to add
> electric start to my 6 HP Yamaha. In addition to the kit of electric start
> components, I had to scrounge up an "electric flywheel / rotor" (with
> teeth)
> and a bracket for the starter motor. eBay is great for such parts in gently
> used condition. Total cost is projected to be about $525 including a new
> battery. It seemed worthwhile to spend on a low hours 19 year old 6 HP
> 4-stroke that still runs great. I'll post a report when it is done.
>
>
>
> I may yet purchase the 48V Hangkai 1200W to see how it works. I can do sea
> trials on my dinghy if I can find space for the four 12V batteries!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
>
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 10:14:49 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:14:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric propulsion vs. electric start
In-Reply-To: <002a01da7c91$c6737b10$535a7130$@ebsmed.com>
References: <002a01da7c91$c6737b10$535a7130$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mvVB4Z4D058W5quRTekZkBJ7Y4-2Ksm42fQz5yUrRKi3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just to add to Mike's comments...I took the ePropulsion battery and
charger, which had been mounted under the aft portion of the V-berth, next
to the holding tank, to Mastry, the local Distributor for ePropulsion.
After a few days they told me that both the battery and charger were
totally ruined (the battery had been less than half submerged) and the cost
to replace it would be $3,000. I decided to give up on electric motors and
purchased a Tohatsu 8hp, long shart, electric start engine from Defender
for $2,100 plus $245 shipping. It comes with a 3 gallon external gas tank.
Besides being cheaper, I eliminated my range anxiety.
 I put the electric engine on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace but so
far no interest (except for a few scammers).
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:47?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> After I read about Reuben's loss of his ePropulsion system and batteries, I
> reevaluated adding electric propulsion to my R22. Considering the cost, it
> is just not ready for all that can easily happen on a sailboat. I wish that
> the electric systems were more robust or cost less so that I wouldn't cry
> if
> they were lost or damaged. I even looked at the specs on some low cost
> Hangkai electric outboards from China. Maybe I could mount twin 1200W/5HP
> engines ($266 each w/free shipping from eBay) and see if I could steer by
> varying the engine speeds. The products are poorly documented and I am not
> sure how to mount two engines without obstructing the stern boarding ladder
> on the starboard side. As a result I decided to put off electric
> propulsion,
> for now.
>
>
>
> I had wanted electric propulsion for many reasons such using the high
> torque
> at low speeds of the electric engines when maneuvering in close quarters.
> Also they have remotes that permit you to dock much more easily while
> moving
> about the boat. One additional reason is that has become more of an issue
> in
> the past few years to start my Yamaha outboard due to the disproportionate
> aging of my shoulder and rotator cuff, even if it only requires 1 or 2
> pulls.
>
>
>
> Since I was not ready to take the ePropulsion plunge, I decided to add
> electric start to my 6 HP Yamaha. In addition to the kit of electric start
> components, I had to scrounge up an "electric flywheel / rotor" (with
> teeth)
> and a bracket for the starter motor. eBay is great for such parts in gently
> used condition. Total cost is projected to be about $525 including a new
> battery. It seemed worthwhile to spend on a low hours 19 year old 6 HP
> 4-stroke that still runs great. I'll post a report when it is done.
>
>
>
> I may yet purchase the 48V Hangkai 1200W to see how it works. I can do sea
> trials on my dinghy if I can find space for the four 12V batteries!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
>
>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 08:22:23 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 08:22:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller motor linkage
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkdqLHGy_AQeprVGHsVV+=W+d6gDW57TAKsGU5oXzchqQ@mail.gmail.com>

When my Yamaha 8 horsepower electric start motor was lost overboard, I lost
the part of the tiller motor linkage that attached to the motor. I have
recently sold the boat and would like to include that part on  the new
motor to the new owner. I have sent two emails to Charles.gabriel@ gmail.com
with no result. Is the email address correct? Does anyone have the motor
part of the linkage? Or at least a picture of it so the new owner could
have one fabricated.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 09:05:52 2024
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 09:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller motor linkage
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmkdqLHGy_AQeprVGHsVV+=W+d6gDW57TAKsGU5oXzchqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkdqLHGy_AQeprVGHsVV+=W+d6gDW57TAKsGU5oXzchqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRpH6O_M0U9gT39h4mSDWaJGFBQqVWCebxmGtPvp+QEKmA@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff, I too lost my 8 HP Yamaha when parts broke. I did save the motor
because I had it chained to the boat.
Now back to the story. Stan told me that he no longer made the parts I
needed and I must have them fabricated.
So it was lucky that I still had the parts and a local shop fabricated them
for me.
Now that Stan has the policy that if you did not buy the boat from Stan or
pay the 10% resale fee you can't buy critical
Parts for your boat .
Charles doesn't answer emails and leaves it up to Stan to refuse to sell
you parts. But first you must email Stan and wait for months
for him to reply, just to say NO!

Wishing the best to your buyer,
Cary
S/V Whisper '86
Claytor Lake, VA
.






On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 8:22?AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When my Yamaha 8 horsepower electric start motor was lost overboard, I lost
> the part of the tiller motor linkage that attached to the motor. I have
> recently sold the boat and would like to include that part on  the new
> motor to the new owner. I have sent two emails to Charles.gabriel@
> gmail.com
> with no result. Is the email address correct? Does anyone have the motor
> part of the linkage? Or at least a picture of it so the new owner could
> have one fabricated.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 15:36:10 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
 <003701da32b9$c1397e00$43ac7a00$@gmail.com>
 <005001da32bb$f01bfc50$d053f4f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9msLrqzWk9JxktcEwqsQPcjdCwZKr7box3FeO+9X7D_nKg@mail.gmail.com>

Joe
My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet on
my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in board
"A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
final veneered floor?
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


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> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>
>
>
> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>
>
>
>
>
> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>
> M/V Voyager
>
> Ex-Rhodes 22
>
> S/V Respite
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Mar 25 16:26:45 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 20:26:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9msLrqzWk9JxktcEwqsQPcjdCwZKr7box3FeO+9X7D_nKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201da32af$51f88cc0$f5e9a640$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB4288A5137A7FB723E9CD9DAA80362@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Reuben,
I think that slot is to provide access to the centerboard cap without removing the cabin sole subfloor.  Theoretically, you should be able to use the slot to remove the numerous screws securing the cap to the flange on the centerboard trunk.  Removing the cap will give access to the centerboard from inside the boat.  In reality, it?s probably easier/faster to just pull up your subfloor board labeled ?A?.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Joe
> My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
> switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
> replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet on
> my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
> One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in board
> "A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
> final veneered floor?
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:44?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Dempsey
>>
>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>>
>> M/V Voyager
>>
>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>>
>> S/V Respite
>>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Mar 25 17:26:57 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:26:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
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> On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:26?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Reuben,
> I think that slot is to provide access to the centerboard cap without removing the cabin sole subfloor.  Theoretically, you should be able to use the slot to remove the numerous screws securing the cap to the flange on the centerboard trunk.  Removing the cap will give access to the centerboard from inside the boat.  In reality, it?s probably easier/faster to just pull up your subfloor board labeled ?A?.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Joe
>> My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
>> switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
>> replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet on
>> my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
>> One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in board
>> "A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
>> final veneered floor?
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>
>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:44?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
>>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe Dempsey
>>>
>>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>>>
>>> M/V Voyager
>>>
>>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>>>
>>> S/V Respite
>>>
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 18:13:07 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
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Yes, I also was thinking it?s easy to pull up that panel and so was wondering why go to the trouble of putting in the slot. And besides, you still have to cover that slot with something to make the floor look nice
Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:26?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Reuben,
> I think that slot is to provide access to the centerboard cap without removing the cabin sole subfloor.  Theoretically, you should be able to use the slot to remove the numerous screws securing the cap to the flange on the centerboard trunk.  Removing the cap will give access to the centerboard from inside the boat.  In reality, it?s probably easier/faster to just pull up your subfloor board labeled ?A?.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Joe
>> My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
>> switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
>> replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet on
>> my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
>> One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in board
>> "A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
>> final veneered floor?
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:44?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
>>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Dempsey
>>> 
>>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>>> 
>>> M/V Voyager
>>> 
>>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>>> 
>>> S/V Respite
>>> 
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Mar 25 19:17:29 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 23:17:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
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Hi Reuben,

My subfloor does not have that slot.  The companionway step covers quite a bit of the centerboard cap.  To get at my centerboard cap, I have to remove the companionway step.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2024, at 6:13?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Yes, I also was thinking it?s easy to pull up that panel and so was wondering why go to the trouble of putting in the slot. And besides, you still have to cover that slot with something to make the floor look nice
> Reuben Mezrich
> Cell:410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>
>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:26?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Reuben,
>> I think that slot is to provide access to the centerboard cap without removing the cabin sole subfloor.  Theoretically, you should be able to use the slot to remove the numerous screws securing the cap to the flange on the centerboard trunk.  Removing the cap will give access to the centerboard from inside the boat.  In reality, it?s probably easier/faster to just pull up your subfloor board labeled ?A?.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Joe
>>> My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
>>> switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
>>> replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet on
>>> my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
>>> One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in board
>>> "A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
>>> final veneered floor?
>>> --Reuben
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:44?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole Project.
>>>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe Dempsey
>>>>
>>>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
>>>>
>>>> M/V Voyager
>>>>
>>>> Ex-Rhodes 22
>>>>
>>>> S/V Respite
>>>>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 06:36:17 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 06:36:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
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That slot is necessary, because the centerboard cap extends higher than the
floor boards and stringers for most of its length. The first forward most
several inches are flat, but the cap then angles upward as it's goes
rearward. This board A goes down either side of the raised portion of the
cap.
As Roger said, by pulling the slotted board "A", you can access the entire
length of the centerboard and its mounting bolts for repair. But you have
to pull the companionway step. On my boat, the entire step and port settee
is a single board and a bit PITA to pull out.

And trust me, servicing the centerboard is a lot easier when you have the
floor/sole to kneel on, and you aren't trying to kneel between the
stringers, etc.
My only suggestion is to add some sort of tab on the aft edges of board A
to keep it level with the boards 3S and 3P in the drawing.

Todd T.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, 7:25 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Reuben,
>
> My subfloor does not have that slot.  The companionway step covers quite a
> bit of the centerboard cap.  To get at my centerboard cap, I have to remove
> the companionway step.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 25, 2024, at 6:13?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Yes, I also was thinking it?s easy to pull up that panel and so was
> wondering why go to the trouble of putting in the slot. And besides, you
> still have to cover that slot with something to make the floor look nice
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Cell:410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:26?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi Reuben,
> >> I think that slot is to provide access to the centerboard cap without
> removing the cabin sole subfloor.  Theoretically, you should be able to use
> the slot to remove the numerous screws securing the cap to the flange on
> the centerboard trunk.  Removing the cap will give access to the
> centerboard from inside the boat.  In reality, it?s probably easier/faster
> to just pull up your subfloor board labeled ?A?.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Mar 25, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Joe
> >>> My cabin is dry, a bilge pump is now installed and wiring, batteries,
> >>> switches and battery charger have all been replaced. I'm now ready to
> >>> replace the floor (Stan had used cement board covered with thin carpet
> on
> >>> my boat). I intend to copy what you did.
> >>> One question (I expect there will be more), is why is there a slot in
> board
> >>> "A" (the one over the centerboard trunk). What covers that slot in the
> >>> final veneered floor?
> >>> --Reuben
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:44?PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Photos did not attach the first time. Here they are again!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: jpd9668 at gmail.com <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:27 PM
> >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: RE: Cabin Sole PHOTOS and DRAWINGS
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These drawings and photos accompany previous post of Cabin Sole
> Project.
> >>>> Sub-floor and Sole drawings in both .pdf and .jpg formats.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Dempsey
> >>>>
> >>>> Trojan 42 Motor Yacht
> >>>>
> >>>> M/V Voyager
> >>>>
> >>>> Ex-Rhodes 22
> >>>>
> >>>> S/V Respite
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 27 10:10:52 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:10:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller motor linkage
References: <1897401381.1830353.1711548652634.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1897401381.1830353.1711548652634@mail.yahoo.com>

Make sure you check your spam folder.  I had a tough timegetting in touch with Charles and it turned out email was going to spam.  I've heard others say the same thing.
Peter
 >I have sent two emails to Charles.gabriel@ gmail.com
>with no result.

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Fri Mar 29 13:56:34 2024
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <002901da7c8e$79d23330$6d769990$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAEhtY2+ZuckJ0Ge8prR+pmtOQONOd6eAePZW3gfBxzdYzy9pVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1952246818.191355.1710948072685@mail.yahoo.com>
 <61614.24.140.113.219.1711122463.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <002901da7c8e$79d23330$6d769990$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <65368.24.140.113.219.1711734994.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>


Mike,

  My bikini came with the boat, so I have no info of manufacturers. The
sliding brackets to hold the bimini
 to the rails I think was made by Stan and company.
Folded up the bikini is 56 inches tall and 7 feet wide at the bottom where
it mounts to the rail. I haven't uncovered my boat yet so I can't take
pictures for you.

Good luck ,
Jerry Lowe. S/V country Rhodes,'86


Jerry,
>
> I too recommend the bikini. Mine did not come with the previously owned
> Rhodes 22. I'm sure that my wife would not have approved anyway.
>
> In recent years I have added (or considered) many creature comforts to my
> Rhodes that had been on my wish list when I was younger, like autopilot,
> pump out head, electric propulsion, real solar, bimini top, etc. As an
> example,I absolutely love the Ray Marine autopilot. It is so much more
> useful than a tiller tamer!
>
> I am contemplating adding a bimini top to this year's pre-launch projects.
> Jerry, do you have pictures and the brand of your bimini top? I like that
> it
> is mounted to the T-rails.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> cjlowe at sssnet.com
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 11:48 AM
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini top for Rhodes
>
>
> I highly recommend the bikini. Mine came with the boat. Mine mounts on the
> T- rail for the jib sheets, behind the block. It slides back and forth, so
> it is very adjustable. I just clip the straps to the rear lower fore stays
> and the back stays and adjust the straps for desired position. Riding out
> a
> rain at anchor,i adjust the front down on the pop-top, and leave the hatch
> out and stay dry and ventilated .
>
> Jerry Lowe
> S/V Country Rhodes '86
>
>
>
>



From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 07:32:57 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 07:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller motor linkage
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmfbcGUBTbefDwA-28EY+pkb4OY6XN=P8z3OjTKX1ei-A@mail.gmail.com>

Charles did get back to me with a helpful photo of what he had available. I
passed it on to the new owner.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 13:37:18 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard engine Tiller arm position
Message-ID: <CAHrO9muD+d1ZW9WuyC=P+PSJPPnWdSZRv264YWzUWHkAoGRYOA@mail.gmail.com>

I installed a new Tohatsu 8hp long shaft electric start outboard on my
Rhodes 22 and it works great, pushing the boat at over 6 knots which is
around hull speed. Its mounted with the electric winch which runs it up and
down nicely, but the problem is that with the motor down so the propeller
is under water, the tiller arm points straight up..the engine is too close
to the transom and the engine head too low to have the tiller arm in a more
horizontal position. There is no problem adjusting the throttle, but it is
difficult to use the tiller arm to steer the boat
What do you guys do?
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Mar 30 15:17:48 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:17:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard engine Tiller arm position
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9muD+d1ZW9WuyC=P+PSJPPnWdSZRv264YWzUWHkAoGRYOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHrO9muD+d1ZW9WuyC=P+PSJPPnWdSZRv264YWzUWHkAoGRYOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71C6CDA3-2E1C-468D-877C-6EF7EAD9B311@sunnybeeches.com>

I steer the boat with the rudder.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I installed a new Tohatsu 8hp long shaft electric start outboard on my
> Rhodes 22 and it works great, pushing the boat at over 6 knots which is
> around hull speed. Its mounted with the electric winch which runs it up and
> down nicely, but the problem is that with the motor down so the propeller
> is under water, the tiller arm points straight up..the engine is too close
> to the transom and the engine head too low to have the tiller arm in a more
> horizontal position. There is no problem adjusting the throttle, but it is
> difficult to use the tiller arm to steer the boat
> What do you guys do?
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Mar 30 15:35:40 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard engine Tiller arm position
In-Reply-To: <71C6CDA3-2E1C-468D-877C-6EF7EAD9B311@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CAHrO9muD+d1ZW9WuyC=P+PSJPPnWdSZRv264YWzUWHkAoGRYOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <71C6CDA3-2E1C-468D-877C-6EF7EAD9B311@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <34D58A87-C147-4C9B-9444-7189BCB702ED@stottarchitecture.com>

I agree  with Peter, but sometimes you might want to use the motor?s tiller, like when backing up (especially in the shallows) 
I usually pull the rudder up and lock it there, then raise the motor lift until the prop and water cooling intake is just below water. 
That allows the tiller to  be in a better position, more horizontal,  and able to be used for throttle and steering. 
You will have great control in reverse with this configuration.  Pretty good control in forward too - without the rudder. 
Ric 
SV Dadventure 
HBNY 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Mar 30, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I steer the boat with the rudder.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I installed a new Tohatsu 8hp long shaft electric start outboard on my
>> Rhodes 22 and it works great, pushing the boat at over 6 knots which is
>> around hull speed. Its mounted with the electric winch which runs it up and
>> down nicely, but the problem is that with the motor down so the propeller
>> is under water, the tiller arm points straight up..the engine is too close
>> to the transom and the engine head too low to have the tiller arm in a more
>> horizontal position. There is no problem adjusting the throttle, but it is
>> difficult to use the tiller arm to steer the boat
>> What do you guys do?
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 


From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 18:22:57 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:22:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard engine Tiller arm position
In-Reply-To: <71C6CDA3-2E1C-468D-877C-6EF7EAD9B311@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <71C6CDA3-2E1C-468D-877C-6EF7EAD9B311@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <537E351E-7C8F-4E26-B045-56C44C7E81E1@gmail.com>

Ric
Backing up out of my slip and turning into the fairway is exactly when I need the tiller 
Thanks

Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I steer the boat with the rudder.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I installed a new Tohatsu 8hp long shaft electric start outboard on my
>> Rhodes 22 and it works great, pushing the boat at over 6 knots which is
>> around hull speed. Its mounted with the electric winch which runs it up and
>> down nicely, but the problem is that with the motor down so the propeller
>> is under water, the tiller arm points straight up..the engine is too close
>> to the transom and the engine head too low to have the tiller arm in a more
>> horizontal position. There is no problem adjusting the throttle, but it is
>> difficult to use the tiller arm to steer the boat
>> What do you guys do?
>> --Reuben
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 18:31:23 2024
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard engine Tiller arm position
In-Reply-To: <537E351E-7C8F-4E26-B045-56C44C7E81E1@gmail.com>
References: <537E351E-7C8F-4E26-B045-56C44C7E81E1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08E1C57-1701-439E-AA5F-1DD9EF2AD349@gmail.com>

The problem I always have is when I start to go forward in the fairway there is little flow over the rudder and so no steerage as I drift into the propellers of the nearby boats. Turning the outboard solves that
Reuben Mezrich
Cell:410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston 

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 6:23?PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Ric
> Backing up out of my slip and turning into the fairway is exactly when I need the tiller
> Thanks
> 
> Reuben Mezrich
> Cell:410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 3:36?PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I steer the boat with the rudder.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I installed a new Tohatsu 8hp long shaft electric start outboard on my
>>> Rhodes 22 and it works great, pushing the boat at over 6 knots which is
>>> around hull speed. Its mounted with the electric winch which runs it up and
>>> down nicely, but the problem is that with the motor down so the propeller
>>> is under water, the tiller arm points straight up..the engine is too close
>>> to the transom and the engine head too low to have the tiller arm in a more
>>> horizontal position. There is no problem adjusting the throttle, but it is
>>> difficult to use the tiller arm to steer the boat
>>> What do you guys do?
>>> --Reuben
>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>> 

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 07:58:37 2024
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 07:58:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Engine tiller arm position
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnJyB=zyzhYw1nanC1RA_d20716dT92_bGou3=sBjAQOA@mail.gmail.com>

After using the tiller arm extension for a season I put it in the garage. I
found locking the motor and steering with the rudder was a much simpler
solution. Since my boat is on a mooring I generally had no need for very
tight quarters maneuvering.
Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368