[Rhodes22-list] my rhodes is for sale
Talbot Pratt
talbotpratt at gmail.com
Thu Mar 14 13:09:23 EDT 2024
Here is the listing
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2008-rhodes-rhodes-22-9299413/
Talbot Pratt
978 994 0704
Long Branch NJ
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> 1. Re: Water in the Cabin (Graham Stewart)
> 2. cockpit sole (sea20 at verizon.net)
> 3. Re: cockpit sole (Scott Andrews)
> 4. Re: Water in the Cabin (Reuben Mezrich)
> 5. Re: Water in the Cabin (Graham Stewart)
> 6. Re: Water in the Cabin (Ric Stott)
> 7. Re: Water in the Cabin (Graham Stewart)
> 8. Re: Water in the Cabin (Reuben Mezrich)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:09:50 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID: <a3d9eada-4ed9-433e-a684-4cdcb134d0e4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> without the plank in place.
>
> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>
> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976
>
> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> information you are interested in.? I believe there has been a previous
> discussion of this topic on the list.? Perhaps you can find what you are
> looking for there.
> > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> bunks, not on the keel.
> > Don Simons,? ? Old Forge, NY
> > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> suspect
> > they won't believe it
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don
> >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>> From Practical Sailor
> >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> >> at
> >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> to
> >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ? Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> that
> >> the
> >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>> ? ? On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich
> <
> >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ? So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> >> able
> >>>> to
> >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> >> hang
> >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> >>> sure,
> >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> >>> water
> >>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>> sounded
> >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> >>> after
> >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >> bilge,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >> come
> >>>> from
> >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> >>>> greater
> >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>> salinity
> >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> >> Of
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> >>> last
> >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >> more
> >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that
> >> much
> >>> -
> >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> >> on
> >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right
> >>> above
> >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >> of
> >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >> too
> >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >> so
> >>> it
> >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position
> >> before
> >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >> sound
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >> before I
> >>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> >>> the
> >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>> attack.
> >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >> 22.
> >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >> when
> >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>> about
> >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> >>> part
> >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >> top
> >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >> leak.
> >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>> trunk).
> >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >
> --
> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "sea20 at verizon.net" <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
> Message-ID: <494611696.1833045.1706723418741 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Greetings all, I have been noticing the cockpit floor on our Rhodes22
> getting softer each year. This year I kept the boat outside and during a
> hard freeze I knew it was time. I read roger's e-mail from 2001 and it made
> the job sound very doable. Has anyone else had experience with stringer and
> foam replacement in the cockpit?
> Scott Andrews
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:45:38 -0500
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: Key West shop email <lockshop at keywestlockandsafe.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole
> Message-ID: <7BAAE32C-B0D7-44FD-B9EF-16FA8A213BFC at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 09:29:49 -0500
> From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > without the plank in place.
> >
> > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >
> > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> > Agile 1976
> >
> > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> > information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous
> > discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you are
> > looking for there.
> > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> > > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > suspect
> > > they won't believe it
> > > --Reuben
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> Stan.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Don
> > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>> From Practical Sailor
> > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> serving
> > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> prevents
> > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> be
> > >> at
> > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> > to
> > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>
> > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > that
> > >> the
> > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> Mezrich
> > <
> > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> now
> > >> able
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> > >> hang
> > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > >>> sure,
> > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > >>> water
> > >>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > >>>> sounded
> > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > >>> after
> > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >> bilge,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > >> come
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> was
> > >>>> greater
> > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > >>>> salinity
> > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> races
> > >>> last
> > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > >> more
> > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that
> > >> much
> > >>> -
> > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> > >> on
> > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right
> > >>> above
> > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> > >> too
> > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> > >> so
> > >>> it
> > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position
> > >> before
> > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > >> sound
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > >> before I
> > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > >>> attack.
> > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > >> when
> > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > >>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> > >> on
> > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > >>> part
> > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> boat
> > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > >> I'm
> > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> > >> top
> > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > >> leak.
> > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > >> unlikely
> > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > >>> trunk).
> > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
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> > >>>>>>> Desc: not available
> > >>>>>>> URL:
> > >>>>>>> <
> > >>>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg>
> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > >>>>>>> scrubbed...
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> > >>>>>>> URL: <
> > >>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png
> > >>>>
> > >
> > --
> > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:32:40 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
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> fu0Hg7sPN0Qu3V3iyQb5CJckVx1M72jYf_-JwCg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> 20?.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> > aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> > has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> > that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> > outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> > up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> > My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> > > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > > without the plank in place.
> > >
> > > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> > > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> > >
> > > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > >
> > > Agile 1976
> > >
> > > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > > > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find
> the
> > > information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous
> > > discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> > > looking for there.
> > > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > > Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> > > > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > > suspect
> > > > they won't believe it
> > > > --Reuben
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not
> strong
> > > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> > Stan.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Don
> > > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > > >>> From Practical Sailor
> > > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> > serving
> > > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> > prevents
> > > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there
> should
> > be
> > > >> at
> > > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> > > to
> > > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > > that
> > > >> the
> > > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > > >>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> > Mezrich
> > > <
> > > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> > now
> > > >> able
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> > > >> hang
> > > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>> Great point but....
> > > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> > > >>> sure,
> > > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> > > >>> water
> > > >>>>> in the bilge
> > > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> bilge.
> > > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> bilge.
> > > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > > >>>>> --Reuben
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity
> meter
> > > >>>> sounded
> > > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> > > >>> after
> > > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > > >> bilge,
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > > >> come
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> > was
> > > >>>> greater
> > > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > > >>>> salinity
> > > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mike
> > > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
> > Behalf
> > > >> Of
> > > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Ric
> > > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> > races
> > > >>> last
> > > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> > > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > > >> more
> > > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that
> > > >> much
> > > >>> -
> > > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> > > >> on
> > > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap
> right
> > > >>> above
> > > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the
> fall
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was
> initially
> > > >> too
> > > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant
> line
> > > >> so
> > > >>> it
> > > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position
> > > >> before
> > > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > > >> sound
> > > >>>> as
> > > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > > >> before I
> > > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > > >>> attack.
> > > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > > >> 22.
> > > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > > >> when
> > > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > > >>> about
> > > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> > > >> on
> > > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> > > >>> part
> > > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> > boat
> > > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > > >> I'm
> > > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into
> the
> > > >> top
> > > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > > >> leak.
> > > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > > >> unlikely
> > > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> > > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > > >>> trunk).
> > > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment
> was
> > > >>>>>>> scrubbed...
> > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg
> > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
> > > >>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes
> > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available
> > > >>>>>>> URL:
> > > >>>>>>> <
> > > >>>>
> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230
> > > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg>
> > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment
> was
> > > >>>>>>> scrubbed...
> > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg
> > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
> > > >>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes
> > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available
> > > >>>>>>> URL: <
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> -------------- next part --------------
> > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > >>>> Name: image.png
> > > >>>> Type: image/png
> > > >>>> Size: 305494 bytes
> > > >>>> Desc: not available
> > > >>>> URL: <
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png
> > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:28:39 -0500
> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> Message-ID:
> <5549D2B4-D271-491D-8B75-441BE52FB59D at stottarchitecture.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> HI Graham
> It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> Long Shaft.
> That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> ?
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 20?.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> of
> >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> >>> without the plank in place.
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>>
> >>> Agile 1976
> >>>
> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> >>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous
> >>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> >>> looking for there.
> >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> >>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> >>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> >>> suspect
> >>>> they won't believe it
> >>>> --Reuben
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> >> Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don
> >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> >> serving
> >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> >> prevents
> >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> >> be
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> >>> to
> >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> >> Mezrich
> >>> <
> >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> >> now
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> >>>>> hang
> >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> >>>>>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> >>>>>> water
> >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>>>>> sounded
> >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >>>>> bilge,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >>>>> come
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> >> was
> >>>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>>>>> salinity
> >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
> >> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> >> races
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right
> >>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >>>>> sound
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >>>>> before I
> >>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>>>>> attack.
> >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >>>>> 22.
> >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> >>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> >> boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >>>>> leak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >>>>> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>>>>> trunk).
> >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>> --
> >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:39:02 -0500
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
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> Ric: My experience is the same as you describe. Even with the long shaft I
> have had the prop come out of the water in rough seas - when thrust is most
> important.
> I suppose there might be a way to get by with a short shaft with a special
> motor mount but I would say that you might regret having a short shaft but
> I doubt that you would ever regret having the long shaft. If there is any
> doubt about which to get, going with the long shaft is best.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > HI Graham
> > It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> > If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra
> > Long Shaft.
> > That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> > prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> > Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> > Ric
> > SV Dadventure
> > 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> > ?
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 20?.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located
> under
> > the
> > >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> > (Mastry)
> > >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> > of
> > >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> > >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> > give
> > >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> > >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> > >>
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had
> added
> > a
> > >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that,
> as
> > >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had
> a
> > >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > >>> without the plank in place.
> > >>>
> > >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift
> so
> > >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because
> of
> > >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the
> material
> > >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> > cabin
> > >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> > >>>
> > >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham Stewart
> > >>>
> > >>> Agile 1976
> > >>>
> > >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > >>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find
> the
> > >>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a
> previous
> > >>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you
> > are
> > >>> looking for there.
> > >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> > >>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> > >>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > >>> suspect
> > >>>> they won't believe it
> > >>>> --Reuben
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not
> strong
> > >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> > >> Stan.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Don
> > >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> > >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> > >> serving
> > >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> > >> prevents
> > >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there
> should
> > >> be
> > >>>>> at
> > >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> > boat
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > >>> that
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> > >> Mezrich
> > >>> <
> > >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> > >> now
> > >>>>> able
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> > portion
> > >>>>> hang
> > >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> > not
> > >>>>>> sure,
> > >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> > the
> > >>>>>> water
> > >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> > in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected
> in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity
> meter
> > >>>>>>> sounded
> > >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> > left
> > >>>>>> after
> > >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >>>>> bilge,
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to
> have
> > >>>>> come
> > >>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> > >> was
> > >>>>>>> greater
> > >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats.
> The
> > >>>>>>> salinity
> > >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >
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