[Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Sun Oct 13 12:16:27 EDT 2024

Roger,

I have finally gotten around to this project.  I cut a hole in the inside cabin wall sized for the deckplate that will eventually cover it (see attached photo.)  Unfortunately, this does hole not give me any access to remove the old chainplate. Was your configuration different than mine, or am I missing something?  

I plan to epoxy a ¼” G10 (fiberglass/epoxy) backing plate inside the outer wall of the cabin and though-bolt the new chainplate to the outer wall.  Cosmetically, I’d rather have the new chainplate inserted through the slot where the old chainplate is, but that requires removing that part of the old chainplate first.

Unless you have another option to suggest, I am going to try cutting off the protruding portion of the old chainplates with a multitool inserted through the slot on top of the cabin.  It that isn’t doable, I’ll trim it flush and just bolt the new chainplate to the outside of the cabin.

I am documenting the steps and materials I am using and will post that to the list.  I found a Ronstan chainplate that is virtually identical to the Rhodes OEM part except for being 2” longer (https://atlanticriggingsupply.com/products/roch16ga208l?variant=17547140333614 <https://atlanticriggingsupply.com/products/roch16ga208l?variant=17547140333614&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3624BhBAEiwAkxgTOokHnONhod708mwSxS7JQDkABFLyrLt1Lg5eVFrqJT8XMNpL9oNZGBoCeBAQAvD_BwE> &currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3624BhBAEiwAkxgTOokHnONhod708mwSxS7JQDkABFLyrLt1Lg5eVFrqJT8XMNpL9oNZGBoCeBAQAvD_BwE)

Thanks once again for all your help,

Mike

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA

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On Aug 2, 2024, at 5:00 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
Mike,

If you do it my way; then, you only have to drill the hole for the Beckson inspection port in the inner cabin wall.  No holes in the cabin ceiling!   From the hole in the cabin wall, you will be able to remove the old chain plate.  The new chain plate will just be a straight piece of SS bar stock and will use the same hole thru the cabin roof as the OEM chainplate.  The new chainplate will be thru bolted thru the outer cabin side wall.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
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On Aug 2, 2024, at 4:46 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:

Roger and Todd,

Before I start cutting holes in my boat, I want to make sure I understand
the full process, so please let me know if I am misunderstanding anything.

The original chainplate is bent in an L-shape and screwed to plywood inside
the ceiling of the cabin with one or two wood screws.  To remove the old
chainplate, you need to open a hole in the ceiling liner.  In Todd's case,
he also needed to open some of adjacent sidewall of the cabin to gain
sufficient clearance to extract the old chainplate.  Roger, did you need to
do that also, or did you use a different approach?

In any event, the hole in the ceiling needs to be repaired afterwards.  Was
there much difficulty in achieving a clean repair of the ceiling liner?

A second hole of the correct size for the deckplate inspection port is
drilled in the inside sidewall liner below the chainplate opening.  A
backing plate (1/4" plywood?) is epoxied inside of the outer layer of the
cabin sidewall.  The new chainplate is through-bolted to the backing plate.
Finally, the deckplate is installed to the inside liner of the cabin as an
inspection port.

Is the above description correct?

Thanks,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2024 12:59 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

You use something like a hole saw to make a 4-1/2" ID hole in the cabin
liner.  This will expose the plywood core and the old chainplate.  Remove
the old chainplate and any plywood that's in the way, install a new
chainplate made of straight SS bar stock, (Note that this new chainplate
goes thru the original hole in the cabin roof)  and thru bolt it thru the
outer cabin wall.  Then, install the Beckson inspection plate.  Easy peasy,
it takes about 30 minutes to do each chainplate.  You can easily do all 4
inner chainplates in an afternoon.  Other than two round head machine screws
+ fender washers on the side of the cabin at each chain plate and 4 Beckson
inspection plates in the cabin, the  installation will look stock.  But, you
will be able to inspect/repair/replace the 4 inner chainplates whenever you
want.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

Roger Pihlaja

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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Roger, how did you remove the existing chainplates?  Did you have to open up
the cabin liner?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Hi All,

One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 were
the four lower chainplates.  There is no way to inspect the factory OEM
lower chainplates.  Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate into the
plywood core, causing it to rot.  This is easily fixed by installing 4
Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, Defender
Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner.  With these
inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates thru
the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish.  I do not
trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded component,
especially not when the fix is so easy.  Just bite the bullet and do this
upgrade.  You'll never have to worry about it again.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham
Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place with
a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached a
picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of
the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a
large hole.

Graham Stewart
Rhodes 22
Agile, 1976
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Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Hi Rhodies,

I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.

It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.

Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?

Thank you!

Mike McKay
S/V Liber 2006/2108
Allatoona Lake, GA

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

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