From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jan  1 11:03:52 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:03:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Hi Peter & Todd,

I've looked at the 2 drawings supplied by Todd.  Even with the "new" design, I think you would still need the 2 circular teflon spacers in between the rudder head and rudder blade.  Without them, you will have to tighten the pivot bolt so tight to eliminate the side-to-side play; that, the rudder blade won't kick-up with any reasonable force.  This will be especially true if the rudder head is made of wood.  In a wet environment, wood is not rigid enough or dimensionally stable enough to be a successful material in this application.  With repeated sanding and varnishing, the thickness of the shims may have to adjusted each time to get the right clearance.

I forgot to mention, every time I disassemble my rudder blade for bottom painting, I apply a coat of lithium waterproof grease to the pivot bolt.  I also drilled out the pivot bolt hole in the rudder blade to 1" ID.  I filled the hole with West System epoxy thickened to a putty-like consistency with a mixture of West System 423 Graphite Powder and 404 High-Density Filler.  You mix the resin and slow hardener.  Then, paint a thin coat of the unthickened epoxy onto the ID of the hole.  With the rest of the epoxy, add 5%wt of the graphite powder, and mix well.  Then, add about 20%wt of the high density filler, and mix well.  The exact amount of high density filler required will depend on the ambient temperature.  The warmer it is, the more filler will be required.  Just keep adding filler until a putty-like consistency is achieved.  Then, press the epoxy mixture into the hole and make sure all the void spaces are filled.  The unthickened epoxy will have soaked into the ID walls of the hole; but, it will not have cured.  Intimate contact with the uncured epoxy on the ID walls will cause the thickened epoxy putty to become securely bonded in the hole.  Let the epoxy cure overnight and then sand the two rudder blade surfaces smooth.  Using a WC tipped bit, drill a hole thru the epoxy where the old hole used to be.  You want the hole to be a snug clearance fit with the pivot bolt.  I actually had a selection of SS pivot bolts and hand selected the best fit.  You will need to use WC tipped tools because the filled epoxy is so hard it will quickly wear out normal tool steel.  With a coat of waterproof grease on the bolt, the rudder pivot is now a precision bearing.

This design really needs a sealed roller bearing press fit into the rudder blade and with the teflon spacers to handle the side-to-side loads.  But, it's not a high speed machine with rapid cyclic loads and it's water cooled.  So, the thermal loads can be handled by a simple greased bushing.  My rudder blade pivots as smooth as butter with no side-to-side play!  Other than the occasional greasing, this upgrade has been working perfectly with no issues since 1990.

Yes, I know I'm out of control!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2024 8:52 AM
To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance

Peter,

The rudder head has changed since Rogers boat was built. I think it was
either late 1970s or early 1980s.
Attached is a drawing I made some years ago of the two styles.
The aluminum plates are in gray. The shape of the rudderheads was from
memory and not true shape.
I have two of the older style head blanks CNC cut from 1?" KingStarboard
and the aluminum plates, if anyone is interested

Todd T.

On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 10:02 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>    Sounds like you hit on an ideal solution (no surprise there).  At some
> point I may follow suit, although I kinda like a little bit of varnished
> wood here and there in the cockpit, so long as I can maintain it without
> too much effort.  I'm curious though, you mentioned two aluminum plates for
> the rudder blade pivot.  I don't have any such plate...and I do have a bit
> of wobble in the tiller that I'm hoping to correct.  I wonder if you could
> describe these plates in a bit more detail.  I know that General Boat
> designs evolved over time so maybe I'm not supposed to have these.  Is
> anybody else familiar with these plates?
>
> Thanks,
>     Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  6 13:39:53 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 13:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
Message-ID: <E1tUs13-00000001Bps-2Bsi@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi All,
   I recently acquired a chart plotter/fish-finder and while I'm not much of a fisherman, I'd like to mount the transducer so I can use the depth sounder.  I'd prefer not to drill any holes in the boat, especially below the waterline (if possible).  I'm hoping to mount it in the hull below the "v" berth near the water tank.  Does anyone know if the hull is cored in this location.  In hull transducers require a solid core to work.

Thanks,
     Peter 


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 14:00:04 2025
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 14:00:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
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Peter,
My R22 is a ?97 with solid core (as I believe all others are).  I?ve had an Airmar in hull transducer to a Garmin for 26+ years with good results. I mounted it next to the compression post in the head with an inspection port for access.

Jay Friedland
S/V Wanderlust ?97

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2025, at 1:39?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
>   I recently acquired a chart plotter/fish-finder and while I'm not much of a fisherman, I'd like to mount the transducer so I can use the depth sounder.  I'd prefer not to drill any holes in the boat, especially below the waterline (if possible).  I'm hoping to mount it in the hull below the "v" berth near the water tank.  Does anyone know if the hull is cored in this location.  In hull transducers require a solid core to work.
> 
> Thanks,
>     Peter
> 
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jan  6 14:24:18 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:24:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
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Hi Peter,

I mounted my thru hull paddlewheel knotmeter transducer in that location, just aft of the water tank on the port side.  The hull is not cored.  However, it is also shaped like a deep V.  This means the sonar transducer will be mostly looking off to the side, thus making it a poor location for this kind of transducer. On port tack, the transducer will have no view of the bottom and you will probably lose your depth measurement.

I mounted my depth transducer on the starboard side back by the icebox, about halfway between the galley counter and the companionway step.  The hull is much more flat in this area, not cored, and the depth sounder works well.  I had to install a 3" screw-in deck inspection plate in the cabin sole to have access to the transducer without pulling up the floor boards.  Another place to mount a depth sounder transducer would be in the lazarette compartment, as far forward as possible and as close to the centerline as possible.  The hull is not cored here either and very flat.

I've never had any issues with leakage at either of these thru hulls.  The knotmeter transducer is ahead of and inboard of the trailer bunks and the depth sounder transducer is inboard of the trailer bunks.  Maybe it's possible to screw up a launch or recovery bad enough to hit one of the transducers on the trailer; but, I never have.  The self-centering funneling guides and the keel guides make the trailer pretty idiot proof.  The shoal draft keel would have to be outside of the keel guides in order for one the transducers to hit the bunks.  If you're that bad at launch/recovery; then, you should go take some lessons.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2025 1:39 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer

Hi All,
   I recently acquired a chart plotter/fish-finder and while I'm not much of a fisherman, I'd like to mount the transducer so I can use the depth sounder.  I'd prefer not to drill any holes in the boat, especially below the waterline (if possible).  I'm hoping to mount it in the hull below the "v" berth near the water tank.  Does anyone know if the hull is cored in this location.  In hull transducers require a solid core to work.

Thanks,
     Peter


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 14:58:45 2025
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 14:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
In-Reply-To: <E1tUs13-00000001Bps-2Bsi@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tUs13-00000001Bps-2Bsi@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT2+xQC6v3HHnFXRqoKazHP3mfajyao4-sM8-z3EwYePmw@mail.gmail.com>

I mounted my transducer in the same spot the
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/x4aM6PReXknm6jm>
(original? i think?) was mounted. Under the head. Since the transducer also
does depth i didn't need the original speed/depth transducer anymore. New
one serves all roles.



On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 1:39?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>    I recently acquired a chart plotter/fish-finder and while I'm not much
> of a fisherman, I'd like to mount the transducer so I can use the depth
> sounder.  I'd prefer not to drill any holes in the boat, especially below
> the waterline (if possible).  I'm hoping to mount it in the hull below the
> "v" berth near the water tank.  Does anyone know if the hull is cored in
> this location.  In hull transducers require a solid core to work.
>
> Thanks,
>      Peter
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  6 15:53:04 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
Message-ID: <E1tUu5w-00000003mTr-0I5u@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Thanks everyone.  What a quick response!  Lots to consider, the upshot is no coring in the hull, so all options are open.

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From eestijaht at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 12:08:19 2025
From: eestijaht at aol.com (eestijaht at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 17:08:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
References: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,I have a customer with a 1996 Rhodes 22 whose centerboard broke and was lost in the bay.Does anyone know if there a replacements available?Thanks,
Rudy Ratsep 
 Owner 
 Eesti Jaht Service 
 (631)329-1088

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jan 17 12:24:01 2025
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1185801683.700720.1737133699159@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65A113CA-74D2-468F-8D86-73411E66CA4C@stottarchitecture.com>

HI Rudy - Its Ric Stott
We used to Frostbite Lasers and Southampotn YC. 
If I recall - you were not easy to beat. 
I don?t have a spare CB,  I now    an ?84 Rhodes 22 that I keep moored on Shinnecock Bay. 
I??ve rebuilt the trunk - twice -  and know a bit about them. 
You might find one at the Rhodes Factory site in Edington NC .
The contact there is: 
Charles Gabriel 
Email 
charles.gabriel at gmail.com


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jan 17, 2025, at 12:08 PM, eestijaht--- via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,I have a customer with a 1996 Rhodes 22 whose centerboard broke and was lost in the bay.Does anyone know if there a replacements available?Thanks,
> Rudy Ratsep 
> Owner 
> Eesti Jaht Service 
> (631)329-1088


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 17 12:25:32 2025
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <65A113CA-74D2-468F-8D86-73411E66CA4C@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1185801683.700720.1737133699159@mail.yahoo.com>
 <65A113CA-74D2-468F-8D86-73411E66CA4C@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT27aoLW2Qz9X1wzCX144KWfN4-UD5KLz9mHcNGS908R3A@mail.gmail.com>

Are they just steel plate? Does anybody have a drawing of what one looks
like? I changed the seal on my drop keel a while back but never really got
a great look at the board, id be worried about loosing it!

On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 12:24?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> HI Rudy - Its Ric Stott
> We used to Frostbite Lasers and Southampotn YC.
> If I recall - you were not easy to beat.
> I don?t have a spare CB,  I now    an ?84 Rhodes 22 that I keep moored on
> Shinnecock Bay.
> I??ve rebuilt the trunk - twice -  and know a bit about them.
> You might find one at the Rhodes Factory site in Edington NC .
> The contact there is:
> Charles Gabriel
> Email
> charles.gabriel at gmail.com
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 2025, at 12:08 PM, eestijaht--- via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,I have a customer with a 1996 Rhodes 22 whose centerboard broke and
> was lost in the bay.Does anyone know if there a replacements
> available?Thanks,
> > Rudy Ratsep
> > Owner
> > Eesti Jaht Service
> > (631)329-1088
>
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 17 15:34:45 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 15:34:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <E1tYt3F-000000068kI-1lNt@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Look at your rudder and you will see what the center board looks like, unless you have the newer "diamond" board, then all bets are off.

Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From eestijaht at aol.com  Sat Jan 18 07:02:20 2025
From: eestijaht at aol.com (eestijaht at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 12:02:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT27aoLW2Qz9X1wzCX144KWfN4-UD5KLz9mHcNGS908R3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1185801683.700720.1737133699159.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1185801683.700720.1737133699159@mail.yahoo.com>
 <65A113CA-74D2-468F-8D86-73411E66CA4C@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CABvjUT27aoLW2Qz9X1wzCX144KWfN4-UD5KLz9mHcNGS908R3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1645111031.843611.1737201740472@mail.yahoo.com>

Kenwood,99% of the centerboard is on the bottom of Gardiners Bay. What remains in the trunk is the top forward corner which appears to be fiberglass. The boat is a 1996 so I am pretty sure it is a "diamond" board.The pivot pin is approximately 1 1/4"-1 3/8" in diameter.I do have the option of removing the centerboard from a 2004 Rhodes 22 which is next to my customers boat to use it as a template and materials guide to fabricate a custom centerboard. But that is going to be pretty pricey so I am trying to avoid that.Thanks,
Rudy Ratsep 
 Owner 
 Eesti Jaht Service 
 (631)329-1088 

    On Friday, January 17, 2025 at 09:53:13 PM EST, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:   

 Are they just steel plate? Does anybody have a drawing of what one looks
like? I changed the seal on my drop keel a while back but never really got
a great look at the board, id be worried about loosing it!

On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 12:24?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> HI Rudy - Its Ric Stott
> We used to Frostbite Lasers and Southampotn YC.
> If I recall - you were not easy to beat.
> I don?t have a spare CB,? I now? ? an ?84 Rhodes 22 that I keep moored on
> Shinnecock Bay.
> I??ve rebuilt the trunk - twice -? and know a bit about them.
> You might find one at the Rhodes Factory site in Edington NC .
> The contact there is:
> Charles Gabriel
> Email
> charles.gabriel at gmail.com
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 2025, at 12:08 PM, eestijaht--- via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,I have a customer with a 1996 Rhodes 22 whose centerboard broke and
> was lost in the bay.Does anyone know if there a replacements
> available?Thanks,
> > Rudy Ratsep
> > Owner
> > Eesti Jaht Service
> > (631)329-1088
>
>
  

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 18 09:19:35 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 09:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <E1tZ9fj-00000009kvb-2iwJ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

What in the world caused a centerboard to so completely break?  Was there an accident (trailering perhaps)?
Has anyone heard of this happening before?

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From rlowe at vt.edu  Sat Jan 18 11:00:11 2025
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:00:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <E1tZ9fj-00000009kvb-2iwJ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tZ9fj-00000009kvb-2iwJ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698544B28177E3461E7446ACC1E52@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I had a centerboard on my 2006 pretty much fall out when I was trailering back to the factory for my boat to be worked on.  I had stopped for gas, and coming out of the gas station hit a bump.  I stopped at a light and the guy next to me signaled to row down my window.  He said, did I know my centerboard was dragging.  Ah, no.  I pulled off and sure enough the board was dragging on the forward edge.  If I had not of stopped, the whole thing would have probably worn away.  I tried to stuff the centerboard back up in the slot and the whole thing came out!  I don't know if the pivot pin broke and/or if the line broke but the whole centerboard was free.  Threw in the back of my tow vehicle and continued on to Stan's where they somehow repaired it.  So, yes, it can happen.  Don't' think it had anything to do with trailering itself.  Who knows.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2025 9:19 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22

What in the world caused a centerboard to so completely break?  Was there an accident (trailering perhaps)?
Has anyone heard of this happening before?

Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jan 18 11:05:31 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:05:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <E1tZ9fj-00000009kvb-2iwJ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tZ9fj-00000009kvb-2iwJ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <BY5PR10MB382556CAFBB6E3202D0577B980E52@BY5PR10MB3825.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

That was my question as well.  I?ve never heard of this kind of centerboard failure.  Is there any way we can get some photos and an inspection of the remaining stub of the centerboard?  One potential mechanism to break it like that would be a spiral fracture.  Somehow, the tip of the lowered centerboard would have to be held rigidly.  Like say, the centerboard got wedged in a crack in a submerged rock.  While the centerboard was thus held, the boat was forced to yaw thru many degrees of rotation, say by wave action or tidal currents.  The centerboard would store potential energy like a torsion spring, eventually failing in a spiral fracture.  The story behind that scenario would make an interesting tale I?m sure!

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2025, at 9:19?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?What in the world caused a centerboard to so completely break?  Was there an accident (trailering perhaps)?
> Has anyone heard of this happening before?
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 18 11:16:58 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 11:16:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <E1tZBVK-0000000C4dZ-3zko@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

I was wondering if a lateral impact, perhaps while loading the boat onto the trailer in a cross current, might have stressed the board.  Interesting that the two examples of centerboard failure are both diamond boards.  Anyone have an issue with the original centerboard?

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jan 20 09:40:10 2025
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:40:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22
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Sorry I don't have any photos or an inspection.  The centerboard did not suffer any damage to my knowledge. but what happened under PO is unknown.  The centerboard would rock from side to side when extended and effected by anothers boat wake, but I believe that's fairly normal.

Rob
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Centerboard for 1996 Rhodes 22

Hi All,

That was my question as well.  I?ve never heard of this kind of centerboard failure.  Is there any way we can get some photos and an inspection of the remaining stub of the centerboard?  One potential mechanism to break it like that would be a spiral fracture.  Somehow, the tip of the lowered centerboard would have to be held rigidly.  Like say, the centerboard got wedged in a crack in a submerged rock.  While the centerboard was thus held, the boat was forced to yaw thru many degrees of rotation, say by wave action or tidal currents.  The centerboard would store potential energy like a torsion spring, eventually failing in a spiral fracture.  The story behind that scenario would make an interesting tale I?m sure!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

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> On Jan 18, 2025, at 9:19?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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> ?What in the world caused a centerboard to so completely break?  Was there an accident (trailering perhaps)?
> Has anyone heard of this happening before?
>
> Peter
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting an in-hull transducer
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 Hi Peter,
I'm the 2nd owner of a 2003 Rhodes.? I'm pretty sure that Stan installed the knot and depth meters on this boat.? Like Roger mentioned, both of these are mounted in lazarette, close to the cockpit drain thru hull.? Both work very well there, and access is very good.
On the other hand, when I had an '81 Rhodes, I mounted a knotmeter thru hull on the starboard side of midline, aft of the water tank.? I remember that on port tacks the paddle wheel would sometimes not function well.
Don Simons,? Old Forge, NY
    On Monday, January 6, 2025 at 03:53:09 PM EST, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
 
 Thanks everyone.? What a quick response!? Lots to consider, the upshot is no coring in the hull, so all options are open.

Peter 

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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 26 23:35:51 2025
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 04:35:51 +0000
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> On Jan 21, 2025, at 6:57?PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ? Hi Peter,
> I'm the 2nd owner of a 2003 Rhodes.  I'm pretty sure that Stan installed the knot and depth meters on this boat.  Like Roger mentioned, both of these are mounted in lazarette, close to the cockpit drain thru hull.  Both work very well there, and access is very good.
> On the other hand, when I had an '81 Rhodes, I mounted a knotmeter thru hull on the starboard side of midline, aft of the water tank.  I remember that on port tacks the paddle wheel would sometimes not function well.
> Don Simons,  Old Forge, NY
>    On Monday, January 6, 2025 at 03:53:09 PM EST, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
> 
> Thanks everyone.  What a quick response!  Lots to consider, the upshot is no coring in the hull, so all options are open.
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 
>