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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
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>   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
>   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
>   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
>   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
>   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
>   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
>   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
>   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
>   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
>  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
>  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
>  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
>  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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> Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
> Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> SV Perseverance
> '86 Rhodes 22
> St James City, Fl.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
> Here is my email.
> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>> 
>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>> 
>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed in
>> how this turned out.
>> 
>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>> 
>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>> 
>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>> 
>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer and we
>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped them
>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me to my
>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>>> honest.
>>> 
>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>> 612-770-4531
>>> 
>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the budget at
>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Barry,?
> You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> Art?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
>> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
>> and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
>> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
>> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
>> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
>> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
>> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
>> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
>> remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
>>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
>>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
>>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
>>>> bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
>>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
>>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Art,
> Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers. The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> Best,
> BARRY
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Barry,
> You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> Art
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> 
> The rebate link is:
> https://pettitpaint.com/rebates
> 
> The rebate form is available at:
> https://pettitpaint.com/media/5921/pp-25066-protect-and-propser-rebate-flyer.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
>> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
>> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
>> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
>> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
>> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
>> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
>> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
>> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
>> cabin to remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
>>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
>>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
>>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
>>>> gallon bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
>>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
>>>>> walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
>>>>> have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
>>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
>>>>> insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> 
> Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Roger,
>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> 
> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> somewhere?
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>> sails.
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>> remains my next project.
>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>> check
>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>> you
>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>> Here is my email.
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> HBNY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>> 
>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>> unkept,
>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>> patient
>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
>> in
>>>> how this turned out.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>> floated
>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>> short
>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>> price,
>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
>>> This
>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
>>> in
>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>> grateful
>>> for
>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>> supplies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>> out
>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>> and we
>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>> them
>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
>>> Sails
>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>> that
>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>> to
>>> my
>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>> would
>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>> those
>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>> for
>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
>>> with
>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>> and
>>>>> honest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>> know,
>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>> situation.
>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
>>> would
>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>> budget at
>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.? Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:43:31 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>> 
>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>> large
>>> and small.
>>> 
>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>> Stan's
>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>> 
>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>> 
>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>> somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>> sails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>> in
>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>> out
>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>> 1984
>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>> check
>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>> might
>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>> patient
>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>> disappointed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>> 2.".
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>> Lees
>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>> to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>> dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>> they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:11:18 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things settle down for us.
> 
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>> large
>>>> and small.
>>>> 
>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>> 
>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>> Stan's
>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>> 
>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>> 
>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>> in
>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>> 1984
>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>> might
>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:30:25 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
> 
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
>> settle down for us.
>> 
>> Chris G.
>> Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis
>> <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>>> large
>>>>> and small.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
>> options,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>>> Stan's
>>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
>> is
>>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
>> and
>>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
>> it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
>> feel
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
>> it's
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
>> on a
>>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
>> you
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>> behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
>> parting
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
>> offer
>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
>> shipped
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
>> believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
>> it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
>> responsible
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
>> helpful
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
>> me
>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
>> mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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From dgworth3 at icloud.com  Tue May  6 14:58:31 2025
From: dgworth3 at icloud.com (David Worth)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1993 RHODES 22 FOR SALE
Message-ID: <33ECC650-9B5C-47BD-A79D-791DCBD097D8@icloud.com>

Friends,

It is time to retire from sailing. So it goes!

Pictures and specs available, email me at the address below. 

The boat is rigged, the motor is tuned and it is sitting on the trailer at Havre de Grace Maryland at the head of the Chesapeake Bay.  Asking $7,500. Sail it away!  Or maybe I can deliver it to you?

It has been fun! Now it is your turn!

Dave


David Gaston Worth
120 W Lemon St
Lititz, PA 17543
717-715-7879
dgworth3 at icloud.com

From dgworth3 at icloud.com  Tue May  6 14:49:18 2025
From: dgworth3 at icloud.com (David Worth)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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> Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
> Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> SV Perseverance
> '86 Rhodes 22
> St James City, Fl.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
> Here is my email.
> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>> 
>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>> 
>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed in
>> how this turned out.
>> 
>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7C42b03d80d4b34b5801c708dd4dfea591%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638752478296137504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cA1MssHqtjFxkxPauAGtU%2FoodZ08NHlNj0B9VigLBu8%3D&reserved=0<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>> 
>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>> 
>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>> 
>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer and we
>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped them
>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me to my
>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>>> honest.
>>> 
>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>> 612-770-4531
>>> 
>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the budget at
>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Barry,?
> You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> Art?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
>> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
>> and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
>> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
>> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
>> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
>> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
>> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
>> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
>> remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
>>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
>>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
>>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
>>>> bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
>>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
>>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Art,
> Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers. The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> Best,
> BARRY
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Barry,
> You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> Art
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> 
> The rebate link is:
> https://pettitpaint.com/rebates
> 
> The rebate form is available at:
> https://pettitpaint.com/media/5921/pp-25066-protect-and-propser-rebate-flyer.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
>> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
>> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
>> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
>> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
>> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
>> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
>> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
>> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
>> cabin to remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
>>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
>>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
>>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
>>>> gallon bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
>>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
>>>>> walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
>>>>> have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
>>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
>>>>> insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> 
> Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Roger,
>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> 
> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> somewhere?
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>> sails.
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>> remains my next project.
>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>> check
>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>> you
>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>> Here is my email.
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> HBNY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>> 
>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>> unkept,
>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>> patient
>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
>> in
>>>> how this turned out.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>> floated
>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>> short
>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>> price,
>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
>>> This
>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
>>> in
>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>> grateful
>>> for
>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>> supplies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>> out
>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>> and we
>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>> them
>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
>>> Sails
>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>> that
>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>> to
>>> my
>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>> would
>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>> those
>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>> for
>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
>>> with
>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>> and
>>>>> honest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>> know,
>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>> situation.
>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
>>> would
>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>> budget at
>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.? Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:43:31 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>> 
>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>> large
>>> and small.
>>> 
>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>> Stan's
>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>> 
>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>> 
>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>> somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>> sails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>> in
>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>> out
>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>> 1984
>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>> check
>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>> might
>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>> patient
>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>> disappointed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>> 2.".
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>> Lees
>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>> to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>> dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>> they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:11:18 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things settle down for us.
> 
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>> large
>>>> and small.
>>>> 
>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>> 
>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>> Stan's
>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>> 
>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>> 
>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>> in
>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>> 1984
>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>> might
>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:30:25 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
> 
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
>> settle down for us.
>> 
>> Chris G.
>> Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis
>> <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>>> large
>>>>> and small.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
>> options,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>>> Stan's
>>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
>> is
>>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
>> and
>>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
>> it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
>> feel
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
>> it's
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
>> on a
>>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
>> you
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>> behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
>> parting
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
>> offer
>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
>> shipped
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
>> believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
>> it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
>> responsible
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
>> helpful
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
>> me
>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
>> mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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From lsr3 at nyu.edu  Wed May  7 11:35:24 2025
From: lsr3 at nyu.edu (Lou Rosenberg)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 11:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4599, Issue 1
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John Farmer,
Does this R22 have a faded orange paint on hull?
Any name?
I sold my R22 "Miracles " in 2017
It's been in Mill Basin @ BayEnd marina.
Contact me if this is same boat.
Lou

Troy, NY

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> I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog cut
> on the manual lift?
>
> > On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello all,
> >
> > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> > entirely.
> >
> > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up
> a
> > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> > throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> > either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >
> > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull.
> It
> > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> > way!
> >
> > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> > you!
> >
> > Happy Spring!
> > Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:07:11 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
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> Hi Thomas,
>
> I bought the manual lift back in 2011 direct from GBI.  You would have to
> check with Cindy Spitzer to see if they have any more stock or if they have
> conversion kits.  If they don?t have any stock; then, it?s just takes a
> couple of Harken side-by-side 3 sheave blocks, a cam cleat, and some 5/16?
> line to build your own, assuming you already have an electric GBI motor
> mount to convert.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> As Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2025, at 1:06?PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > ?I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> cut on the manual lift?
> >
> >> On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hello all,
> >>
> >> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> and
> >> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> >> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> >> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> Motor
> >> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> >> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> >> entirely.
> >>
> >> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> >> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> >> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> >> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> >> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> up a
> >> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> go,
> >> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> >> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> >> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> >> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> >> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> >> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> >> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> >> considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> >> throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> >> ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> >> either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >>
> >> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> >> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> hull. It
> >> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> >> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> >> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> >> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> >> way!
> >>
> >> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> >> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> to
> >> you!
> >>
> >> Happy Spring!
> >> Rosie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:16:00 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> Message-ID: <002001dbb61e$dd953960$98bfac20$@ebsmed.com>
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>
> Rosie,
>
> Are you willing to sell the electric winch "package"? I am interested in
> it.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rosie Krueger
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2025 11:10 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
>
> Hello all,
>
> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed with
> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve changing
> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing them
> entirely.
>
> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the top
> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller handle
> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up a
> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that the
> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the back
> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the epropulsion
> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of the
> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> considering buying this outboard for an
>  R22, definitely just go with the throttle controller from the start).
> With the light weight of the ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need
> any of the assistance from either the electric lift or a manual pulley
> conversion.
>
> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull. It
> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any adhesive
> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them my
> way!
>
> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> you!
>
> Happy Spring!
> Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:33:33 -0400
> From: John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
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>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:05:40 -0400
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID:
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> The General Boats Parts Department has a variety of Rhodes 22 items and
> replacement parts available, including new and used sails.
>
> You can contact me directly at cindy at cindyspitzer.com or leave me a
> voicemail at phone number below, and I'll see if we have what you need.
>
> Congratulations on what sounds like a nice find at the perfect time.
>
> Happy sailing!
>
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 5:33?PM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:04:39 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID: <001601dbb9fa$583718d0$08a54a70$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi John,
>
> Where in NY? Long Island? Do you need help?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> John Farmer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 5:34 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
> From: David Worth <dgworth3 at icloud.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <6E2A61F2-1239-4B94-AAE4-DD299A3A8043 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> David Gaston Worth
> 120 W Lemon St
> Lititz, PA 17543
> 717-715-7879
> dgworth3 at icloud.com
>
> > On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:30?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
> >   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> >   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
> >   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
> >  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>  Matt,
> > Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the
> strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a
> couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him
> to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following
> day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> > Best,
> > Barry Ruehlen
> > SV Perseverance
> > '86 Rhodes 22
> > St James City, Fl.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > Get Outlook for Android<
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> remains my next project.
> > Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check
> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you
> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > Here is my email.
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > HBNY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>
> >> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>
> >> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
> >> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> >> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed
> in
> >> how this turned out.
> >>
> >> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> floated
> >>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> short
> >>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> price,
> >>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
> This
> >>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
> in
> >>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>> Get Outlook for Android<
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> >>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
> >>>
> >>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> grateful for
> >>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> supplies.
> >>>
> >>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>
> >>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> out
> >>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
> and we
> >>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
> them
> >>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> Sails
> >>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
> >>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> that
> >>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
> to my
> >>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> would
> >>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> those
> >>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
> >>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
> with
> >>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> and
> >>> honest.
> >>>
> >>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> know,
> >>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> situation.
> >>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> >>> 612-770-4531
> >>>
> >>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> would
> >>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
> budget at
> >>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower II
> >>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Barry,?
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> > Art?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> > From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> only
> >> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> washers
> >> and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
> >> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
> >> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
> >> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
> >> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked
> the
> >> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> the
> >> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
> >> remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> >>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> and
> >>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> hull
> >>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> >>>> bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> >>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> to
> >>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> > From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <
> BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Art,
> > Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago
> knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into
> a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers.
> The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about
> had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the
> centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we
> encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we
> would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint
> job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on
> the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are
> just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor
> gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild
> and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> > She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> > Best,
> > BARRY
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Barry,
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> > Art
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use
> Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> >
> > The rebate link is:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_rebates&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=M1ql3Q9PChf19Esa-lOfqQgrCFufg7Sv36Z_DUAygOc&e=
> >
> > The rebate form is available at:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_media_5921_pp-2D25066-2Dprotect-2Dand-2Dpropser-2Drebate-2Dflyer.pdf&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=2dcXNex9ruDDIuuCS32Dk-3TDZbJBWarUhKmGjx21E4&e=
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> >> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> >> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> >> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
> >> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
> >> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
> >> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
> >> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk
> as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> >> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
> >> cabin to remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> >>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
> >>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> >>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> >>>> gallon bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> >>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> >>>>> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> >>>>> have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> >>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> >>>>> insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several
> Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If
> you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a
> large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair
> of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make
> sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the
> nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> > To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless
> you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to
> prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands
> should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the
> top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat,
> you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to
> support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> >
> > Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are
> sanding and painting.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi Roger,
> >>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> > From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> >
> > Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> > facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >
> > Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > somewhere?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >> sails.
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> >>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>> remains my next project.
> >>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> out
> >>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> >>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >> check
> >>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >> you
> >>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> might
> >>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>> Here is my email.
> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>> Ric
> >>> Dadventure
> >>> HBNY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>
> >>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >> unkept,
> >>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >> patient
> >>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
> >> in
> >>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>> floated
> >>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>> short
> >>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>> price,
> >>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> >>> This
> >>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> >>> in
> >>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >> grateful
> >>> for
> >>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>> supplies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >> out
> >>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>> and we
> >>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >> them
> >>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> >>> Sails
> >>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>> that
> >>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >> to
> >>> my
> >>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>> would
> >>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >> those
> >>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >> for
> >>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> >>> with
> >>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >> and
> >>>>> honest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>> know,
> >>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>> situation.
> >>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> >>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> >>> would
> >>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>> budget at
> >>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >
> > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> > and small.
> >
> > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> > etc.
> >
> > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >
> > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >
> > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > otherwise busy lives.
> >
> > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone!
> >>
> >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>
> >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >> somewhere?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>> sails.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>> 443-980-7367
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>> remains my next project.
> >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >> out
> >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>> check
> >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >>> you
> >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >> might
> >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>> Here is my email.
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>> Dadventure
> >>>> HBNY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>> unkept,
> >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>> patient
> >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >> disappointed
> >>> in
> >>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>> floated
> >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>>> short
> >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>>> price,
> >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >> of
> >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >> a
> >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >> 2.".
> >>>> This
> >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >> is
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >> of
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>> grateful
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >>> out
> >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>>> and we
> >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>> them
> >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >> Lees
> >>>> Sails
> >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >>> to
> >>>> my
> >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>> those
> >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>> for
> >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >> dealing
> >>>> with
> >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >>> and
> >>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>>> know,
> >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>> situation.
> >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >> or
> >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >> they
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>> budget at
> >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> > From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> short
> >>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on
> a
> >>>>> price,
> >>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >>> 2.".
> >>>>> This
> >>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >>> is
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>>> grateful
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> >>>> out
> >>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> >>>>> and we
> >>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>>> them
> >>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >>> Lees
> >>>>> Sails
> >>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> >>>> to
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>>> those
> >>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >>> dealing
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> >>>>> know,
> >>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>>> situation.
> >>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >>> or
> >>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >>> they
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>>> budget at
> >>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.?
> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
> >    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> shor

From johnfarmer87 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 11:53:56 2025
From: johnfarmer87 at gmail.com (John Farmer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 11:53:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4599, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CA+XkGs7ySEbFmrg=Nc-Ev9n11r+76_B0gWF-YsDH-s1xC6Bd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2361.1746590025.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <CA+XkGs7ySEbFmrg=Nc-Ev9n11r+76_B0gWF-YsDH-s1xC6Bd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE70t68Zm-WF1c+xuLhQzj9VyTJfxZ10wn4ug+X6+U1yGQkhZA@mail.gmail.com>

Lou,

It seems to be a different boat. It is named Argo, and has a navy blue hull.

Thanks,
John

On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 11:44?AM Lou Rosenberg <lsr3 at nyu.edu> wrote:

> John Farmer,
> Does this R22 have a faded orange paint on hull?
> Any name?
> I sold my R22 "Miracles " in 2017
> It's been in Mill Basin @ BayEnd marina.
> Contact me if this is same boat.
> Lou
>
> Troy, NY
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2025, 11:54?PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> >         rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
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> >
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> > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (THOMAS POLISE)
> >    2. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> >    3. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (Michael D. Weisner)
> >    4. Where to source parts for a project R22? (John Farmer)
> >    5. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Cindy Spitzer)
> >    6. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Michael D. Weisner)
> >    7. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
> >    8. 1993 RHODES 22 FOR SALE (David Worth)
> >    9. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 13:05:58 -0400
> > From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID: <0C1004AE-5FE0-443B-A469-671C590828E8 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> cut
> > on the manual lift?
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hello all,
> > >
> > > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> and
> > > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> > with
> > > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> Motor
> > > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> > changing
> > > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> > them
> > > entirely.
> > >
> > > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the
> electrical
> > > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> > top
> > > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> > handle
> > > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> up
> > a
> > > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> go,
> > > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> > the
> > > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> > back
> > > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> > epropulsion
> > > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> > the
> > > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > > considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with
> the
> > > throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > > ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> > > either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> > >
> > > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> hull.
> > It
> > > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> > adhesive
> > > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken
> the
> > > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> > my
> > > way!
> > >
> > > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used
> electric
> > > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> to
> > > you!
> > >
> > > Happy Spring!
> > > Rosie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:07:11 +0000
> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes Email List
> >         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> >
> BY5PR10MB38252FE9A01AB6722479CAEC80BB2 at BY5PR10MB3825.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > I bought the manual lift back in 2011 direct from GBI.  You would have to
> > check with Cindy Spitzer to see if they have any more stock or if they
> have
> > conversion kits.  If they don?t have any stock; then, it?s just takes a
> > couple of Harken side-by-side 3 sheave blocks, a cam cleat, and some
> 5/16?
> > line to build your own, assuming you already have an electric GBI motor
> > mount to convert.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > As Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2025, at 1:06?PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > ?I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> > cut on the manual lift?
> > >
> > >> On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> > and
> > >> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> > with
> > >> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > >> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> > Motor
> > >> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> > changing
> > >> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> > them
> > >> entirely.
> > >>
> > >> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > >> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the
> electrical
> > >> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse,
> the
> > top
> > >> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> > handle
> > >> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> > up a
> > >> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> > go,
> > >> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> > the
> > >> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > >> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> > back
> > >> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> > epropulsion
> > >> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost
> of
> > the
> > >> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > >> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > >> considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with
> the
> > >> throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > >> ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance
> from
> > >> either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > >> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> > hull. It
> > >> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > >> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> > adhesive
> > >> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken
> the
> > >> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send
> them
> > my
> > >> way!
> > >>
> > >> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used
> electric
> > >> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> > to
> > >> you!
> > >>
> > >> Happy Spring!
> > >> Rosie
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:16:00 -0400
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID: <002001dbb61e$dd953960$98bfac20$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Rosie,
> >
> > Are you willing to sell the electric winch "package"? I am interested in
> > it.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Rosie Krueger
> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2025 11:10 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> > entirely.
> >
> > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up
> a
> > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > considering buying this outboard for an
> >  R22, definitely just go with the throttle controller from the start).
> > With the light weight of the ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need
> > any of the assistance from either the electric lift or a manual pulley
> > conversion.
> >
> > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull.
> It
> > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> > way!
> >
> > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> > you!
> >
> > Happy Spring!
> > Rosie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:33:33 -0400
> > From: John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <CAE70t6_mNQN49ifHW+Hae5T0YQ2Px1dOWoz_1s7=
> > Ro6etXMWcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:05:40 -0400
> > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> > CABbc6O6nAZBB-_EkdzG7xaBvoxk19wt4bH8+13SE7fPnMJZxXQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > The General Boats Parts Department has a variety of Rhodes 22 items and
> > replacement parts available, including new and used sails.
> >
> > You can contact me directly at cindy at cindyspitzer.com or leave me a
> > voicemail at phone number below, and I'll see if we have what you need.
> >
> > Congratulations on what sounds like a nice find at the perfect time.
> >
> > Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 5:33?PM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in
> New
> > > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a
> clean
> > > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay
> for
> > a
> > > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> > anticipate
> > > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my
> questions:
> > >
> > > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I
> should
> > > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help
> troubleshooting
> > > installation issues?
> > >
> > > Thanks very much,
> > > John
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:04:39 -0400
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID: <001601dbb9fa$583718d0$08a54a70$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Where in NY? Long Island? Do you need help?
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > John Farmer
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 5:34 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
> > From: David Worth <dgworth3 at icloud.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
> > Message-ID: <6E2A61F2-1239-4B94-AAE4-DD299A3A8043 at icloud.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> > David Gaston Worth
> > 120 W Lemon St
> > Lititz, PA 17543
> > 717-715-7879
> > dgworth3 at icloud.com
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:30?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> > >    rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> > > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> > >   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> > >   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
> > >   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> > >   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> > >   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> > >   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
> > >   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> > >  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
> > >  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> > >  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Fellow Skippers,?
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >  Matt,
> > > Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the
> > strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a
> > couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him
> > to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following
> > day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> > > Best,
> > > Barry Ruehlen
> > > SV Perseverance
> > > '86 Rhodes 22
> > > St James City, Fl.
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > > Get Outlook for Android<
> >
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> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >
> > > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > > We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> > ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > remains my next project.
> > > Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> > asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> > original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check
> > it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
> you
> > can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> > get distracted from your dilemma.
> > > Here is my email.
> > > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > > Ric
> > > Dadventure
> > > HBNY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>
> > >> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>
> > >> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> unkept,
> > >> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> patient
> > >> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed
> > in
> > >> how this turned out.
> > >>
> > >> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > floated
> > >>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> > short
> > >>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> > price,
> > >>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> > >>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> > >>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> > This
> > >>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> > in
> > >>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
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> > <
> >
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> > >>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > >>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
> > >>>
> > >>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > grateful for
> > >>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > supplies.
> > >>>
> > >>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>
> > >>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> > out
> > >>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
> > and we
> > >>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
> > them
> > >>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> > Sails
> > >>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
> > >>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> > that
> > >>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
> > to my
> > >>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > would
> > >>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > those
> > >>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
> for
> > >>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> > with
> > >>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> > and
> > >>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> > know,
> > >>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > situation.
> > >>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> > >>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>
> > >>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> > would
> > >>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
> > budget at
> > >>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sincerely,
> > >>> Matt Wilson
> > >>> Hornblower II
> > >>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Barry,?
> > > You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed
> > from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> > > Art?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> > > From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > >
> > > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> > cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> > have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> > and cut it down to size.
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?PBR,
> > >>
> > >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> > only
> > >> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> > >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> > washers
> > >> and nuts holding the cover down.
> > >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> to
> > >> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce
> the
> > >> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b
> and
> > >> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once,
> by
> > >> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just
> blocked
> > the
> > >> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> > >>
> > >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> > the
> > >> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin
> to
> > >> remove.
> > >>
> > >> Todd T.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> > >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> the
> > >>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> > and
> > >>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> > hull
> > >>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> gallon
> > >>>> bucket.
> > >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> > >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> paint;
> > >>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Roger,
> > >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> > >>> boat
> > >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> > walk
> > >>> it
> > >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> have
> > >>> her
> > >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> > to
> > >>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> insights
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> > > From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > > To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <
> >
> BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Art,
> > > Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago
> > knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned
> into
> > a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers.
> > The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about
> > had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the
> > centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we
> > encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we
> > would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint
> > job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on
> > the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We
> are
> > just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor
> > gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley
> rebuild
> > and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our
> journey.
> > > She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> > > Best,
> > > BARRY
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >
> > > Barry,
> > > You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed
> > from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> > > Art
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use
> > Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> > >
> > > The rebate link is:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_rebates&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=M1ql3Q9PChf19Esa-lOfqQgrCFufg7Sv36Z_DUAygOc&e=
> > >
> > > The rebate form is available at:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_media_5921_pp-2D25066-2Dprotect-2Dand-2Dpropser-2Drebate-2Dflyer.pdf&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=2dcXNex9ruDDIuuCS32Dk-3TDZbJBWarUhKmGjx21E4&e=
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Michael McKay
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > >
> > > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> > cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> > have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> > and cut it down to size.
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?PBR,
> > >>
> > >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> > >> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> > >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> > >> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> > >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> > >> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
> > >> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
> > >> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
> > >> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
> > >> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk
> > as I could from below.
> > >>
> > >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> > >> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
> > >> cabin to remove.
> > >>
> > >> Todd T.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> > >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> > >>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
> > >>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> > >>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> > >>>> gallon bucket.
> > >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> > >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> > >>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Roger,
> > >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> > >>> boat
> > >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> > >>>>> walk
> > >>> it
> > >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> > >>>>> have
> > >>> her
> > >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> > >>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> > >>>>> insights
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several
> > Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If
> > you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a
> > large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a
> pair
> > of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make
> > sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that
> the
> > nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> > > To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email
> List <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless
> > you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to
> > prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat
> stands
> > should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure
> the
> > top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the
> boat,
> > you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to
> > support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> > >
> > > Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are
> > sanding and painting.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Hi Roger,
> > >>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> > stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> > up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> > about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> > sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> > > From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> > >
> > > Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> > > facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >
> > > Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > > somewhere?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> > >> sails.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> > >>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > >>> remains my next project.
> > >>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> > out
> > >>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> > >>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> > >> check
> > >>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> > >> you
> > >>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > might
> > >>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>> Here is my email.
> > >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>> Ric
> > >>> Dadventure
> > >>> HBNY
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >> unkept,
> > >>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >> patient
> > >>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> disappointed
> > >> in
> > >>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > >>> floated
> > >>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> > >>> short
> > >>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on
> a
> > >>> price,
> > >>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> of
> > >>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you a
> > >>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > 2.".
> > >>> This
> > >>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> > is
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> > of
> > >>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >> grateful
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>> supplies.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> > >> out
> > >>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> > >>> and we
> > >>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> > >> them
> > >>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> Lees
> > >>> Sails
> > >>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> > >>> that
> > >>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> > >> to
> > >>> my
> > >>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > >>> would
> > >>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > >> those
> > >>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> > >> for
> > >>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > dealing
> > >>> with
> > >>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> > >> and
> > >>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> > >>> know,
> > >>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>> situation.
> > >>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > or
> > >>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> they
> > >>> would
> > >>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>> budget at
> > >>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> > > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >
> > > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > > and small.
> > >
> > > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >
> > > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > > otherwise busy lives.
> > >
> > > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > Cindy Spitzer
> > > 443-980-7367
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks everyone!
> > >>
> > >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> > >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > >> somewhere?
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> > >>> sails.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> > in
> > >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >> out
> > >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> > >>> check
> > >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> > >>> you
> > >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >> might
> > >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>> Ric
> > >>>> Dadventure
> > >>>> HBNY
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>> unkept,
> > >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>> patient
> > >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >> disappointed
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > >>>> floated
> > >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> > >>>> short
> > >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> on a
> > >>>> price,
> > >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you
> > >> a
> > >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > >> 2.".
> > >>>> This
> > >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> that
> > >> is
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> behalf
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>> grateful
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> > >>> out
> > >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> > >>>> and we
> > >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> shipped
> > >>> them
> > >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >> Lees
> > >>>> Sails
> > >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> > >>> to
> > >>>> my
> > >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> it
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > >>> those
> > >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> responsible
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >> dealing
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> > >>>> know,
> > >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>> situation.
> > >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >> or
> > >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >> they
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>>> budget at
> > >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> > > From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > >
> > > Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> > need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>
> > >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > >> and small.
> > >>
> > >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>
> > >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>
> > >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>
> > >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>
> > >> Cindy
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>
> > >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> > is
> > >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>> somewhere?
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>> sails.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > in
> > >>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >>> out
> > >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other
>  and
> > >>>> check
> > >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>> you
> > >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>> might
> > >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>> Ric
> > >>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>> patient
> > >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >>> disappointed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>> short
> > >>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> on
> > a
> > >>>>> price,
> > >>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple
> layers
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you
> > >>> a
> > >>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > >>> 2.".
> > >>>>> This
> > >>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> that
> > >>> is
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> behalf
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>>> grateful
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> > parting
> > >>>> out
> > >>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> > offer
> > >>>>> and we
> > >>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> shipped
> > >>>> them
> > >>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >>> Lees
> > >>>>> Sails
> > >>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> > believe
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> > me
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> my
> > >>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> it
> > >>>>> would
> > >>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and
> received
> > >>>> those
> > >>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> responsible
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >>> dealing
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> > helpful
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> > me
> > >>>>> know,
> > >>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>>> situation.
> > >>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >>> or
> > >>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >>> they
> > >>>>> would
> > >>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>>>> budget at
> > >>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.?
> > Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > > Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
> > >    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris
> Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> > need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>
> > >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > >> and small.
> > >>
> > >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>
> > >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>
> > >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>
> > >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>
> > >> Cindy
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>
> > >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> > is
> > >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>> somewhere?
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>> sails.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > in
> > >>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >>> out
> > >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
> > >>>> check
> > >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>> you
> > >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>> might
> > >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>> Ric
> > >>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> > >>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>> patient
> > >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
> > >>> disappointed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>> shor
>


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