[Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22

Mark Kaynor rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:24:27 -0400


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John,

Seems like it'd be cheaper and a lot easier to just buy the boom room =
and pop-top enclosure. Pretty much the only times I sit below is in foul =
weather or when I'm using the head. If it's not blowing much, there's =
usually a dry spot under the bimini, and, if you had the boom room, the =
entire cockpit could be kept dry. Seems a shame to chop up a Rhodes.

Mark Kaynor

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roland.John=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:09 AM
  Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22


  Bob and Kathy,
  Thanks,  more grist for the mill is good.  The Rhodes just keeps =
looking better and better.  Maybe I'll have to learn to slouch.  Or =
maybe I COULD raise the roof...

  Hmmm...   Hey Group.
  Has anyone ever thought of this.  Take your trusty sawzall and cut =
through the sidewalls just above and below the ports.  Leave a nice tab =
at the deck and the edge of the cabin roof.  Raise the roof about 4" and =
build new sidewalls from epoxy coated marine plywood.  through bolt and =
epoxy/glass the walls to the deck and roof tabs.  Cut the same 4" off =
the bottom of the mast.  This keeps the sails, fore- and back stays, =
upper shrouds, their chainplates and the pop-top mast mountings =
un-modified.  Rear pop-top frame mounts don't change as they are below =
the cut-off line.   Lower shrouds will be shortened and their =
chainplates remounted.  Interior bulkheads will be replaced with taller =
ones and a bit of care with the rear cabin wall to maintain a flat =
mating surface for the new cabin door.  Wouldn't want to do this to a =
good boat but if I decide to get a fixer-upper it looks do-able. =20

  Questions:  What have I missed here?  Has anyone ever cut through the =
cabin walls?  What is their construction, solid FRP or cored?  If cored, =
with what?  Since the mast is roof stepped and there appears to be no =
compression post, is there any reinforcement in the cabin walls to =
stabilize/support the roof?  What else am I going to be cutting through, =
 I know there will be some wiring and I'll have to work around the =
chainplates, anything else? =20

  Stan;  I know you lurk on this list,  would you care to comment?  If =
you, or anyone else has concerns about liability, I'll be glad to sign a =
release,  I'm trying to modify a boat to my own design, not create a =
lawsuit. =20

  Any advice or comments will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  John =
Roland
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Robert Quinn [mailto:rjquinn@bellsouth.net]
    Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:58 PM
    To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
    Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22


    John:  A couple of years ago a couple next to us in the marina =
purchased a Seaward '23.  We often found ourselves heading out to sail a =
few times.  After a year of watching us jump on the boat, store our =
goodies, ready for cast off, away we went with sails up just as we =
cleared the docks, they came over one evening totally disgusted and =
dejected that they didn't go the Rhodes route.  They felt our boat =
looked better, the cockpit was so much larger, and the ease of operation =
- furled Genoa and IMF - were what they should have gone for.  They were =
going to try to sell their boat and look to GB for a Rhodes 22.  Don't =
know whether they did or not, but their comments pretty well told the =
story. =20

    Oh, on performance, the boats were pretty evenly matched but we =
generally managed to pull ahead and leave them behind over time.=20

    Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seems like it'd be cheaper and a lot =
easier to just=20
buy the boom room and pop-top enclosure. Pretty much the only times I =
sit below=20
is in foul weather or when I'm using the head. If it's not blowing much, =
there's=20
usually a dry spot under the bimini, and, if you had the boom room, the =
entire=20
cockpit could be kept dry. Seems a shame to chop up a =
Rhodes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Kaynor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Droland.john@ensco.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:roland.john@ensco.com">Roland.John</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 =
11:09=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Rhodes22-list] =
Sailing on a=20
  Catalina 22</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Bob=20
  and Kathy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Thanks,&nbsp; more grist for the mill is good.&nbsp; The =
Rhodes just=20
  keeps looking better and better.&nbsp; Maybe I'll have to learn to=20
  slouch.&nbsp; Or maybe&nbsp;I COULD raise the =
roof...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Hmmm...&nbsp;&nbsp; Hey Group.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Has=20
  anyone ever thought of this.&nbsp; Take your trusty sawzall and cut =
through=20
  the sidewalls just above and below the ports.&nbsp; Leave a nice tab =
at the=20
  deck and the edge of the cabin roof.&nbsp; Raise the roof about 4" and =
build=20
  new sidewalls from epoxy coated marine plywood.&nbsp; through bolt and =

  epoxy/glass the walls to the deck and roof tabs.&nbsp; Cut the same 4" =
off the=20
  bottom of the mast.&nbsp; This keeps the sails, fore- and back stays, =
upper=20
  shrouds, their chainplates&nbsp;and the pop-top mast mountings=20
  un-modified.&nbsp; Rear pop-top frame mounts don't change as they are =
below=20
  the cut-off line.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lower shrouds will be shortened and =
their=20
  chainplates remounted.&nbsp; Interior bulkheads will be replaced with =
taller=20
  ones and a bit of care with the rear cabin wall to maintain a flat =
mating=20
  surface for the new cabin door.&nbsp; Wouldn't want to do this to a =
good boat=20
  but if I decide to get a fixer-upper it looks do-able.&nbsp;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Questions:&nbsp; What have I missed here?&nbsp; Has anyone =
ever cut=20
  through the cabin walls?&nbsp; What is their construction, solid FRP =
or=20
  cored?&nbsp; If cored, with what?&nbsp; Since the mast is roof stepped =
and=20
  there appears to be no compression post, is there any reinforcement in =
the=20
  cabin walls to stabilize/support the roof?&nbsp; What else am I going =
to be=20
  cutting through,&nbsp; I know there will be some wiring and I'll have =
to work=20
  around the chainplates, anything else?&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Stan;&nbsp; I know you lurk on this list,&nbsp; would you =
care to=20
  comment?&nbsp; If you, or anyone else has concerns about liability, =
I'll be=20
  glad to sign a release,&nbsp; I'm trying to modify a boat to my own =
design,=20
  not create a lawsuit.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Any=20
  advice or comments will be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; Thanks&nbsp; =
John=20
  Roland</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Quinn=20
    [mailto:rjquinn@bellsouth.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, =
2002=20
    8:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
    [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John:&nbsp; A couple of years ago a =
couple next=20
    to us in the marina purchased a Seaward '23.&nbsp; We often found =
ourselves=20
    heading out to sail a few times.&nbsp; After a year of watching us =
jump on=20
    the boat, store our goodies, ready for cast off, away we went with =
sails up=20
    just as we cleared the docks, they came over one evening totally =
disgusted=20
    and dejected that they didn't go the Rhodes route.&nbsp; They felt =
our boat=20
    looked better, the cockpit was so much larger, and the ease of =
operation -=20
    furled Genoa and IMF - were what they should have gone for.&nbsp; =
They were=20
    going to try to sell their boat and look to GB for a Rhodes =
22.&nbsp; Don't=20
    know whether they did or not, but their comments pretty well told =
the=20
    story.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh, on performance, the boats were =
pretty=20
    evenly matched but we generally managed to pull ahead and leave them =
behind=20
    over time.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob and Kathy on the=20
  "NoKaOi"</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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