[Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22
Mark Kaynor
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:24:27 -0400
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John,
Seems like it'd be cheaper and a lot easier to just buy the boom room =
and pop-top enclosure. Pretty much the only times I sit below is in foul =
weather or when I'm using the head. If it's not blowing much, there's =
usually a dry spot under the bimini, and, if you had the boom room, the =
entire cockpit could be kept dry. Seems a shame to chop up a Rhodes.
Mark Kaynor
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roland.John=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22
Bob and Kathy,
Thanks, more grist for the mill is good. The Rhodes just keeps =
looking better and better. Maybe I'll have to learn to slouch. Or =
maybe I COULD raise the roof...
Hmmm... Hey Group.
Has anyone ever thought of this. Take your trusty sawzall and cut =
through the sidewalls just above and below the ports. Leave a nice tab =
at the deck and the edge of the cabin roof. Raise the roof about 4" and =
build new sidewalls from epoxy coated marine plywood. through bolt and =
epoxy/glass the walls to the deck and roof tabs. Cut the same 4" off =
the bottom of the mast. This keeps the sails, fore- and back stays, =
upper shrouds, their chainplates and the pop-top mast mountings =
un-modified. Rear pop-top frame mounts don't change as they are below =
the cut-off line. Lower shrouds will be shortened and their =
chainplates remounted. Interior bulkheads will be replaced with taller =
ones and a bit of care with the rear cabin wall to maintain a flat =
mating surface for the new cabin door. Wouldn't want to do this to a =
good boat but if I decide to get a fixer-upper it looks do-able. =20
Questions: What have I missed here? Has anyone ever cut through the =
cabin walls? What is their construction, solid FRP or cored? If cored, =
with what? Since the mast is roof stepped and there appears to be no =
compression post, is there any reinforcement in the cabin walls to =
stabilize/support the roof? What else am I going to be cutting through, =
I know there will be some wiring and I'll have to work around the =
chainplates, anything else? =20
Stan; I know you lurk on this list, would you care to comment? If =
you, or anyone else has concerns about liability, I'll be glad to sign a =
release, I'm trying to modify a boat to my own design, not create a =
lawsuit. =20
Any advice or comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks John =
Roland
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Quinn [mailto:rjquinn@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:58 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22
John: A couple of years ago a couple next to us in the marina =
purchased a Seaward '23. We often found ourselves heading out to sail a =
few times. After a year of watching us jump on the boat, store our =
goodies, ready for cast off, away we went with sails up just as we =
cleared the docks, they came over one evening totally disgusted and =
dejected that they didn't go the Rhodes route. They felt our boat =
looked better, the cockpit was so much larger, and the ease of operation =
- furled Genoa and IMF - were what they should have gone for. They were =
going to try to sell their boat and look to GB for a Rhodes 22. Don't =
know whether they did or not, but their comments pretty well told the =
story. =20
Oh, on performance, the boats were pretty evenly matched but we =
generally managed to pull ahead and leave them behind over time.=20
Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seems like it'd be cheaper and a lot =
easier to just=20
buy the boom room and pop-top enclosure. Pretty much the only times I =
sit below=20
is in foul weather or when I'm using the head. If it's not blowing much, =
there's=20
usually a dry spot under the bimini, and, if you had the boom room, the =
entire=20
cockpit could be kept dry. Seems a shame to chop up a =
Rhodes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Kaynor</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Droland.john@ensco.com=20
href=3D"mailto:roland.john@ensco.com">Roland.John</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 =
11:09=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Rhodes22-list] =
Sailing on a=20
Catalina 22</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Bob=20
and Kathy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Thanks, more grist for the mill is good. The =
Rhodes just=20
keeps looking better and better. Maybe I'll have to learn to=20
slouch. Or maybe I COULD raise the =
roof...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Hmmm... Hey Group.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Has=20
anyone ever thought of this. Take your trusty sawzall and cut =
through=20
the sidewalls just above and below the ports. Leave a nice tab =
at the=20
deck and the edge of the cabin roof. Raise the roof about 4" and =
build=20
new sidewalls from epoxy coated marine plywood. through bolt and =
epoxy/glass the walls to the deck and roof tabs. Cut the same 4" =
off the=20
bottom of the mast. This keeps the sails, fore- and back stays, =
upper=20
shrouds, their chainplates and the pop-top mast mountings=20
un-modified. Rear pop-top frame mounts don't change as they are =
below=20
the cut-off line. Lower shrouds will be shortened and =
their=20
chainplates remounted. Interior bulkheads will be replaced with =
taller=20
ones and a bit of care with the rear cabin wall to maintain a flat =
mating=20
surface for the new cabin door. Wouldn't want to do this to a =
good boat=20
but if I decide to get a fixer-upper it looks do-able. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Questions: What have I missed here? Has anyone =
ever cut=20
through the cabin walls? What is their construction, solid FRP =
or=20
cored? If cored, with what? Since the mast is roof stepped =
and=20
there appears to be no compression post, is there any reinforcement in =
the=20
cabin walls to stabilize/support the roof? What else am I going =
to be=20
cutting through, I know there will be some wiring and I'll have =
to work=20
around the chainplates, anything else? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Stan; I know you lurk on this list, would you =
care to=20
comment? If you, or anyone else has concerns about liability, =
I'll be=20
glad to sign a release, I'm trying to modify a boat to my own =
design,=20
not create a lawsuit. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D606310814-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Any=20
advice or comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks =
John=20
Roland</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Quinn=20
[mailto:rjquinn@bellsouth.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, =
2002=20
8:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Rhodes22-list] Sailing on a Catalina 22<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John: A couple of years ago a =
couple next=20
to us in the marina purchased a Seaward '23. We often found =
ourselves=20
heading out to sail a few times. After a year of watching us =
jump on=20
the boat, store our goodies, ready for cast off, away we went with =
sails up=20
just as we cleared the docks, they came over one evening totally =
disgusted=20
and dejected that they didn't go the Rhodes route. They felt =
our boat=20
looked better, the cockpit was so much larger, and the ease of =
operation -=20
furled Genoa and IMF - were what they should have gone for. =
They were=20
going to try to sell their boat and look to GB for a Rhodes =
22. Don't=20
know whether they did or not, but their comments pretty well told =
the=20
story. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh, on performance, the boats were =
pretty=20
evenly matched but we generally managed to pull ahead and leave them =
behind=20
over time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob and Kathy on the=20
"NoKaOi"</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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