[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
Michael Meltzer
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Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:56:59 -0400
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1)Do you mean that the block that in the sail track is sliding up and =
down with no pin to stop it travel?
2) Stright amswer please, how good are your boat building skill, =
replacing a rudder without the old one for a templet is at the adavanved =
to expert level, i.e call stan for new one or see if he can make a deal =
on a used one.
MJM
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From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
David, or Anyone,
Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after =
reading your letter.
1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free =
floating....and has no "position". What method of positioning the boom =
do newer boats have?
2. This question is more important because I was going to be making =
a new rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The =
rudder actually pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical =
and starts to angle foreward. Is this by design?
Todd
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
From: "David Walker"=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To:=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400=20
Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the=20
heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes =
inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig =
gets=20
overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the =
sails.=20
On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full =
main=20
of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well =
balanced.=20
The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable=20
balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the =
main.=20
Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower =
position as a=20
first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x =
the=20
size of the main, its benefit is small.=20
Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down =
(leading=20
edge actually ahead of the pivot line).=20
Dave Walker=20
SV Windswept=20
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From: "Ware, Joseph W."=20
To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)"=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM=20
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is =
balanced.=20
> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a =
good=20
> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her =
going=20
> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?=20
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> Joe=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1)Do you mean that the block that in =
the sail track=20
is sliding up and down with no pin to stop it travel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) Stright amswer please, how good are =
your boat=20
building skill, replacing a rudder without the old one for a templet is =
at the=20
adavanved to expert level, i.e call stan for new one or see if he can =
make a=20
deal on a used one.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Balanced=20
Helm</DIV>
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<P>David, or Anyone,</P>
<P> Again, the newbie has questions. Two =
questions arose after reading your letter.</P>
<P>1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free =
floating....and has no "position". What method of positioning =
the boom=20
do newer boats have?</P>
<P>2. This question is more important because I was =
going to=20
be making a new rudder. The previous owner had made =
the=20
one on there now. The rudder actually pivots down so =
far that=20
it goes slightly past vertical and starts to angle foreward. Is =
this by=20
design?<BR><BR>Todd<BR><BR>Please respond to <A=20
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "David Walker" <DAVID.WALKER5@ATTBI.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To: <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely =
due to=20
the=20
<DIV></DIV>heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the =
water=20
changes=20
<DIV></DIV>inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as =
when the=20
rig gets=20
<DIV></DIV>overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and =
luff=20
the sails.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the =
way out=20
(full main=20
<DIV></DIV>of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she =
is well=20
balanced.=20
<DIV></DIV>The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your =
"movable=20
<DIV></DIV>balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with =
reelfing the=20
main.=20
<DIV></DIV>Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the =
lower=20
position as a=20
<DIV></DIV>first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the =
jib is=20
2x the=20
<DIV></DIV>size of the main, its benefit is small.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the =
way down=20
(leading=20
<DIV></DIV>edge actually ahead of the pivot line).=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Dave Walker=20
<DIV></DIV>SV Windswept=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>From: "Ware, Joseph W." <JOSEPH_WARE@MERCK.COM>
<DIV></DIV>To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)" <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny =
the helm=20
is balanced.=20
<DIV></DIV>> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, =
there=20
is a good=20
<DIV></DIV>> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard =
to keep=20
her going=20
<DIV></DIV>> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Joe=20
<DIV></DIV>> S/V Whisper=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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