[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
Steve Alm
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Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:24:08 -0500
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Toad. Define REAL job. Does it really require a kollij ejakashun?
Slim Chance and the Gamblers
On 8/27/02 2:36 PM, "Toad the Wet Sprocket" <sprocket80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> MM,
>
> Yes. Just so we are on the same page...... where my gooseneck connects
> the boom to the mast, it slides down into the groove in the mast where the
> sails luff bolt rope goes. The boom is not secured in the groove and slides
> up and down freely limited only at the bottom by a large cotter pin that I
> think is for the pop-top. I assume (don't say it!) (Roger) that I will have
> to use a boom downhaul line when I sail, but someone mentioned putting their
> boom down to the lowest setting and I was confused.
>
> Second, I have a complete rudder assembly to use the head as a template.
> It matches in shape and style with two other similar vintage RC 22s I have
> examined, but was obviously remade by an individual that was not very good
> with tools...and never varnished or epoxy coated. Using the hinge plane of
> the pintles and parallel forward face of the rudder head as a reference of
> vertical, the blade pivots approximately 7-10 degrees forward of this
> vertical. This is apparently because of the lousy fabrication job. After
> reading one of Roger's posts, I see how critical this travel is.
>
> Straight answer?? Yesterday I couldn't spell sailor, today I are one. LOL
>
>
>
> Semi-seriously, I am a licensed Elevator mechanic. If it wasn't for that
> incident with marijuana, the Mayor's daughter, and the team mascot...I would
> have finished college and got a REAL job. I am a certified auto mechanic, I
> have repaired just about anything that can be repaired, (except electronics).
> Appliances, planes trains and automobiles, furniture (I am a decent woodworker
> too). I am an experienced and licensed aircraft Airframe and Powerplant
> mechanic. I have done some work with epoxy and composites. Basically if it
> floats or flies, drives, fries, washes or dries.....I bet I can fix it!! Or
> f**k it up trying to get it perfect LOL Am I hired? LOL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
>
> From: "Michael Meltzer"
> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:56:59 -0400
> 1)Do you mean that the block that in the sail track is sliding up and down
> with no pin to stop it travel?
> 2) Stright amswer please, how good are your boat building skill, replacing a
> rudder without the old one for a templet is at the adavanved to expert level,
> i.e call stan for new one or see if he can make a deal on a used one.
> MJM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
> David, or Anyone,
> Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after reading your
> letter.
> 1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free floating....and has no
> "position". What method of positioning the boom do newer boats have?
> 2. This question is more important because I was going to be making a new
> rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The rudder actually
> pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and starts to angle
> foreward. Is this by design?
> Todd
> Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
> From: "David Walker"
> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400
> Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the
> heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes
> inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig gets
> overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the sails.
> On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full main
> of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well balanced.
> The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable
> balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the main.
> Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower position as a
> first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x the
> size of the main, its benefit is small.
> Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down (leading
> edge actually ahead of the pivot line).
> Dave Walker
> SV Windswept
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ware, Joseph W."
> To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)"
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
>> > I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is balanced.
>> > When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a good
>> > amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her going
>> > straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> > S/V Whisper
>> >
>> >
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">Toad. Define REAL job. Does it really requ=
ire a kollij ejakashun?<BR>
Slim Chance and the Gamblers<BR>
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On 8/27/02 2:36 PM, "Toad the Wet Sprocket" <sprocket80@hotmai=
l.com> wrote:<BR>
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MM,<BR>
<BR>
Yes. Just so we are on the same p=
age...... where my gooseneck connects the boom to the mast, it slides down i=
nto the groove in the mast where the sails luff bolt rope goes. The bo=
om is not secured in the groove and slides up and down freely limited =
only at the bottom by a large cotter pin that I think is for the pop-top. &n=
bsp;I assume (don't say it!) (Roger) that I will have to use a boom do=
wnhaul line when I sail, but someone mentioned putting their boom down=
to the lowest setting and I was confused. <BR>
<BR>
Second, I have a complete rudder assemb=
ly to use the head as a template. It matches in shape and style =
with two other similar vintage RC 22s I have examined, but was o=
bviously remade by an individual that was not very good with tools...and nev=
er varnished or epoxy coated. Using the hinge plane of the pintles and=
parallel forward face of the rudder head as a reference of vertical, the bl=
ade pivots approximately 7-10 degrees forward of this vertical. =
This is apparently because of the lousy fabrication job. After reading=
one of Roger's posts, I see how critical this travel is. <BR>
<BR>
Straight answer?? Yesterday I couldn't spell sailor, today I ar=
e one. LOL<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Semi-seriously, I am a licensed Elevator mech=
anic. If it wasn't for that incident with marijuana, the Mayor's daugh=
ter, and the team mascot...I would have finished college and got a REAL job.=
I am a certified auto mechanic, I have repaired just about anything t=
hat can be repaired, (except electronics). Appliances, planes tr=
ains and automobiles, furniture (I am a decent woodworker too). I am an expe=
rienced and licensed aircraft Airframe and Powerplant mechanic. I have=
done some work with epoxy and composites. Basically if it float=
s or flies, drives, fries, washes or dries.....I bet I can fix it!! Or=
f**k it up trying to get it perfect LOL Am I hired? LOL<B=
R>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com<BR>
<BR>
From: "Michael Meltzer" <BR>
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>
To: <BR>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm <BR>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:56:59 -0400 <BR>
1)Do you mean that the block that in the sail track is sliding up and down =
with no pin to stop it travel? <BR>
2) Stright amswer please, how good are your boat building skill, replacing =
a rudder without the old one for a templet is at the adavanved to expert lev=
el, i.e call stan for new one or see if he can make a deal on a used one. <B=
R>
MJM <BR>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket <BR>
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM <BR>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm <BR>
David, or Anyone, <BR>
Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after reading your let=
ter. <BR>
1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free floating....and has=
no "position". What method of positioning the boom do newer boats=
have? <BR>
2. This question is more important because I was going to be making a new r=
udder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The rudder actually=
pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and starts to angle =
foreward. Is this by design? <BR>
Todd <BR>
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com <BR>
From: "David Walker" <BR>
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>
To: <BR>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm <BR>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400 <BR>
Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the <BR>
heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes <BR>
inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig gets <=
BR>
overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the sails.=
<BR>
On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full main=
<BR>
of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well balanced=
. <BR>
The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable <BR=
>
balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the mai=
n. <BR>
Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower position as =
a <BR>
first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x the <=
BR>
size of the main, its benefit is small. <BR>
Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down (leadin=
g <BR>
edge actually ahead of the pivot line). <BR>
Dave Walker <BR>
SV Windswept <BR>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Ware, Joseph W." <BR>
To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)" <BR>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM <BR>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm <BR>
> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is balanc=
ed. <BR>
> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a good=
<BR>
> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her goi=
ng <BR>
> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong? <BR>
> <BR>
> Joe <BR>
> S/V Whisper <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
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