[Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
Bill Effros
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:23 -0400
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Michael,
There has been a subtle change in the list over the years with regard to =
who can say what.
Initially it was kind of a free for all with the understanding that =
blatant advertising from people with no connection to the list was =
prohibited.
Subsequently, SailNet made a rule that no one with a commercial interest =
could offer anything for sale. Suddenly list members with boats to sell, =
and even Stan, were furtively posting advice and information, not =
knowing if they had violated someone else's rule.
Next thing we knew, SailNet purchased a small mail order supply house, =
and was using every name it had collected in the guise of providing an =
email-hosting service, as its mailing list.
Then SailNet started to monitor the lists, filtering out attachments, =
and objecting to any text that potentially threatened their exclusive =
license to market to people on the list.
Next SailNet sent email to everyone on the list suggesting we had an =
obligation to buy from them because they were hosting our list or else =
they might have to shut us down.
The new list gets us back to where we were.
Of course, Elton can send us information about what he's doing. That's =
what this list is about, and knowing Elton, I'm sure he will find things =
that we all will want. (He gave me some folding seats that fit =
perfectly in an R-22 that are, to this day, called "Elton's Seats" on my =
boat and are used virtually every time we go out.)=20
Elton is right to ask permission, and we are right to grant or deny =
permission on an individual basis. I have full faith in the ability of =
the system administrator to handle the situation, just as I have full =
faith in list members to advise the system administrator if they feel he =
has handled a request badly.
As you suggest, we all consider Stan, & Elton, and others, personal =
friends who have gone out of their way in the past to help everyone on =
the list. I welcome anything they want to post, and would gladly go out =
of my way to buy from them, and return the favors they have extended to =
me, in any way I can.
Bill Effros
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
I think that reasonable, I use a definition of "Know to the list and has =
been helpful in other ways" , Kind of the claicic defination for =
internet. That way is covers Stan, Elton, someone selling a boat, =
Recommending Rik for some graphic's, Rummy's rum supply, someome =
offering me a great paying job :-) etc.. Where I think I would draw the =
line is a user out of nowhere "I just brought a powerboat from this =
dealer X " crap and the stuff not resonablity retaled to us(MLM's, =
changed my life-send 5$, get rich quick, and Blatant SPAM)=20
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mark Kaynor=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
I have no problem with this. Just so long as it's limited to GB and =
GB-affiliates, and we're not being deluged w/ ads.
I'm definitely not into receiving any more unsolicited advertising =
than I already get. Heck, it's gotten so bad I can't even look at the =
floor of the grocery store or the handle of a gas pump anymore w/o =
seeing an ad. Sheesh!
Mark Kaynor
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
First off I talked to Elton, he just got back from the boat show, =
His rainman legend lives :-) Days he was at the show it rained and days =
he took of from the show were sunny, Now people we are having a drought =
an all over, The odds of this being only chance are starting to sound =
like winning powerball :-)=20
It seems he is gathering specially parts for sale at boat(he there =
anyhow :-), Like the seat cushions, LED trailer lights(like a kit for a =
triad trailer), hook on boat bumpers(the work nicely with curved hull), =
dog life vest(great for Rooney), etc. It the cute stuff that might make =
it into west next year or two. He ask if the could mention them on the =
list. He evened offend at LIST member discount :-). I think most of us =
know him, he a good guy and I have no problem with it. He also mentioned =
Stan might have some stuff he might want to post to the list. I think he =
called to make sure he would not upset the "Morals" of the list. I =
figured we are not that pure around here and told him to go for it, He =
GB family :-) I hope did not put "my foot in the mouth" and there are no =
serious objections.
MJM
PS. I get nothing out of it, the list of items from above is what I =
am intrested in, which I pay for, In fact most likly I think I picked up =
a headach, he will need a web site :-)=20
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<P>Michael,</P>
<P>There has been a subtle change in the list over the years with regard =
to who=20
can say what.</P>
<P>Initially it was kind of a free for all with the understanding that =
blatant=20
advertising from people with no connection to the list was =
prohibited.</P>
<P>Subsequently, SailNet made a rule that no one with a commercial =
interest=20
could offer anything for sale. Suddenly list members with boats to sell, =
and=20
even Stan, were furtively posting advice and information, not knowing if =
they=20
had violated someone else's rule.</P>
<P>Next thing we knew, SailNet purchased a small mail order supply =
house, and=20
was using every name it had collected in the guise of providing an =
email-hosting=20
service, as its mailing list.</P>
<P>Then SailNet started to monitor the lists, filtering out attachments, =
and=20
objecting to any text that potentially threatened their exclusive =
license to=20
market to people on the list.</P>
<P>Next SailNet sent email to everyone on the list suggesting we had an=20
obligation to buy from them because they were hosting our list or else =
they=20
might have to shut us down.</P>
<P>The new list gets us back to where we were.</P>
<P>Of course, Elton can send us information about what he's doing. =
That's=20
what this list is about, and knowing Elton, I'm sure he will find =
things=20
that we all will want. (He gave me some folding seats =
that fit=20
perfectly in an R-22 that are, to this day, called "Elton's Seats" on my =
boat=20
and are used virtually every time we go out.) </P>
<P>Elton is right to ask permission, and we are right to grant or deny=20
permission on an individual basis. I have full faith in the ability of =
the=20
system administrator to handle the situation, just as I have full faith =
in list=20
members to advise the system administrator if they feel he has handled a =
request=20
badly.</P>
<P>As you suggest, we all consider Stan, & Elton, and others, =
personal=20
friends who have gone out of their way in the past to help everyone on =
the list.=20
I welcome anything they want to post, and would gladly go out of my way =
to buy=20
from them, and return the favors they have extended to me, in any way I =
can.</P>
<P>Bill Effros</P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmjm@michaelmeltzer.com =
href=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">Michael=20
Meltzer</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that reasonable, I use a =
definition of=20
"Know to the list and has been helpful in other ways" , Kind of the =
claicic=20
defination for internet. That way is covers Stan, Elton, someone selling =
a boat,=20
Recommending Rik for some graphic's, Rummy's rum supply, someome =
offering me a=20
great paying job :-) etc.. Where I think I would draw the line is a=20
user out of nowhere "I just brought a powerboat from this dealer X =
" crap=20
and the stuff not resonablity retaled to us(MLM's, changed my life-send =
5$, get=20
rich quick, and Blatant SPAM) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmark@kaynor.org href=3D"mailto:mark@kaynor.org">Mark =
Kaynor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, =
2002 10:06=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Boat=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no problem with this. Just so =
long as it's=20
limited to GB and GB-affiliates, and we're not being deluged w/=20
ads.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm definitely not into receiving any =
more=20
unsolicited advertising than I already get. Heck, it's gotten so bad I =
can't=20
even look at </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the floor of the =
grocery store or=20
the handle of a gas pump anymore w/o seeing an ad. =
Sheesh!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Kaynor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmjm@michaelmeltzer.com =
href=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">Michael=20
Meltzer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, =
2002 12:08=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Rhodes22-list] Boat =
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off I talked to Elton, he =
just got back=20
from the boat show, His rainman legend lives :-) Days he was at the =
show it=20
rained and days he took of from the show were sunny, Now people we =
are=20
having a drought an all over, The odds of this being only chance are =
starting to sound like winning powerball :-) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems he is gathering specially =
parts for=20
sale at boat(he there anyhow :-), Like the seat cushions, LED =
trailer=20
lights(like a kit for a triad trailer), hook on boat bumpers(the =
work nicely=20
with curved hull), dog life vest(great for Rooney), etc. It the cute =
stuff=20
that might make it into west next year or two. He ask if the could =
mention=20
them on the list. He evened offend at LIST member discount :-). =
I think=20
most of us know him, he a good guy and I have no problem with it. He =
also=20
mentioned Stan might have some stuff he might want to post to the =
list. I=20
think he called to make sure he would not upset the "Morals" of the =
list. I=20
figured we are not that pure around here and told him to go for it, =
He GB=20
family :-) I hope did not put "my foot in the mouth" and there =
are no=20
serious objections.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PS. I get nothing out of it, the =
list of items=20
from above is what I am intrested in, which I pay for, In fact most =
likly I=20
think I picked up a headach, he will need a web site=20
:-)</FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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