[Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
Michael Meltzer
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:30:02 -0400
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, It is appreciated, I try my best but =
far from perfect :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Effros=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
Michael,
There has been a subtle change in the list over the years with regard =
to who can say what.
Initially it was kind of a free for all with the understanding that =
blatant advertising from people with no connection to the list was =
prohibited.
Subsequently, SailNet made a rule that no one with a commercial =
interest could offer anything for sale. Suddenly list members with boats =
to sell, and even Stan, were furtively posting advice and information, =
not knowing if they had violated someone else's rule.
Next thing we knew, SailNet purchased a small mail order supply house, =
and was using every name it had collected in the guise of providing an =
email-hosting service, as its mailing list.
Then SailNet started to monitor the lists, filtering out attachments, =
and objecting to any text that potentially threatened their exclusive =
license to market to people on the list.
Next SailNet sent email to everyone on the list suggesting we had an =
obligation to buy from them because they were hosting our list or else =
they might have to shut us down.
The new list gets us back to where we were.
Of course, Elton can send us information about what he's doing. =
That's what this list is about, and knowing Elton, I'm sure he will find =
things that we all will want. (He gave me some folding seats that fit =
perfectly in an R-22 that are, to this day, called "Elton's Seats" on my =
boat and are used virtually every time we go out.)=20
Elton is right to ask permission, and we are right to grant or deny =
permission on an individual basis. I have full faith in the ability of =
the system administrator to handle the situation, just as I have full =
faith in list members to advise the system administrator if they feel he =
has handled a request badly.
As you suggest, we all consider Stan, & Elton, and others, personal =
friends who have gone out of their way in the past to help everyone on =
the list. I welcome anything they want to post, and would gladly go out =
of my way to buy from them, and return the favors they have extended to =
me, in any way I can.
Bill Effros
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
I think that reasonable, I use a definition of "Know to the list and =
has been helpful in other ways" , Kind of the claicic defination for =
internet. That way is covers Stan, Elton, someone selling a boat, =
Recommending Rik for some graphic's, Rummy's rum supply, someome =
offering me a great paying job :-) etc.. Where I think I would draw the =
line is a user out of nowhere "I just brought a powerboat from this =
dealer X " crap and the stuff not resonablity retaled to us(MLM's, =
changed my life-send 5$, get rich quick, and Blatant SPAM)=20
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mark Kaynor=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
I have no problem with this. Just so long as it's limited to GB and =
GB-affiliates, and we're not being deluged w/ ads.
I'm definitely not into receiving any more unsolicited advertising =
than I already get. Heck, it's gotten so bad I can't even look at the =
floor of the grocery store or the handle of a gas pump anymore w/o =
seeing an ad. Sheesh!
Mark Kaynor
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff
First off I talked to Elton, he just got back from the boat show, =
His rainman legend lives :-) Days he was at the show it rained and days =
he took of from the show were sunny, Now people we are having a drought =
an all over, The odds of this being only chance are starting to sound =
like winning powerball :-)=20
It seems he is gathering specially parts for sale at boat(he there =
anyhow :-), Like the seat cushions, LED trailer lights(like a kit for a =
triad trailer), hook on boat bumpers(the work nicely with curved hull), =
dog life vest(great for Rooney), etc. It the cute stuff that might make =
it into west next year or two. He ask if the could mention them on the =
list. He evened offend at LIST member discount :-). I think most of us =
know him, he a good guy and I have no problem with it. He also mentioned =
Stan might have some stuff he might want to post to the list. I think he =
called to make sure he would not upset the "Morals" of the list. I =
figured we are not that pure around here and told him to go for it, He =
GB family :-) I hope did not put "my foot in the mouth" and there are no =
serious objections.
MJM
PS. I get nothing out of it, the list of items from above is what =
I am intrested in, which I pay for, In fact most likly I think I picked =
up a headach, he will need a web site :-)=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the vote of confidence, It =
is=20
appreciated, I try my best but far from perfect :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbill@effros.com href=3D"mailto:bill@effros.com">Bill =
Effros</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, =
2002 1:08=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Boat=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">
<P>Michael,</P>
<P>There has been a subtle change in the list over the years with =
regard to=20
who can say what.</P>
<P>Initially it was kind of a free for all with the understanding that =
blatant=20
advertising from people with no connection to the list was =
prohibited.</P>
<P>Subsequently, SailNet made a rule that no one with a commercial =
interest=20
could offer anything for sale. Suddenly list members with boats to =
sell, and=20
even Stan, were furtively posting advice and information, not knowing =
if they=20
had violated someone else's rule.</P>
<P>Next thing we knew, SailNet purchased a small mail order supply =
house, and=20
was using every name it had collected in the guise of providing an=20
email-hosting service, as its mailing list.</P>
<P>Then SailNet started to monitor the lists, filtering out =
attachments, and=20
objecting to any text that potentially threatened their exclusive =
license to=20
market to people on the list.</P>
<P>Next SailNet sent email to everyone on the list suggesting we had =
an=20
obligation to buy from them because they were hosting our list or else =
they=20
might have to shut us down.</P>
<P>The new list gets us back to where we were.</P>
<P>Of course, Elton can send us information about what he's =
doing. =20
That's what this list is about, and knowing Elton, I'm sure he =
will find=20
things that we all will want. (He gave me some folding seats=20
that fit perfectly in an R-22 that are, to this day, called =
"Elton's=20
Seats" on my boat and are used virtually every time we go =
out.) </P>
<P>Elton is right to ask permission, and we are right to grant or deny =
permission on an individual basis. I have full faith in the ability of =
the=20
system administrator to handle the situation, just as I have full =
faith in=20
list members to advise the system administrator if they feel he has =
handled a=20
request badly.</P>
<P>As you suggest, we all consider Stan, & Elton, and others, =
personal=20
friends who have gone out of their way in the past to help everyone on =
the=20
list. I welcome anything they want to post, and would gladly go out of =
my way=20
to buy from them, and return the favors they have extended to me, in =
any way I=20
can.</P>
<P>Bill Effros</P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmjm@michaelmeltzer.com =
href=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">Michael=20
Meltzer</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat stuff</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that reasonable, I use a =
definition of=20
"Know to the list and has been helpful in other ways" , Kind of =
the=20
claicic defination for internet. That way is covers Stan, Elton, =
someone=20
selling a boat, Recommending Rik for some graphic's, Rummy's rum =
supply,=20
someome offering me a great paying job :-) etc.. Where I think I would =
draw=20
the line is a user out of nowhere "I just brought a powerboat =
from this=20
dealer X " crap and the stuff not resonablity retaled to us(MLM's, =
changed my=20
life-send 5$, get rich quick, and Blatant =
SPAM) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmark@kaynor.org href=3D"mailto:mark@kaynor.org">Mark =
Kaynor</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, =
2002 10:06=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Boat=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have no problem with this. Just =
so long as=20
it's limited to GB and GB-affiliates, and we're not being deluged w/ =
ads.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm definitely not into receiving =
any more=20
unsolicited advertising than I already get. Heck, it's gotten so bad =
I can't=20
even look at </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the floor of the =
grocery store=20
or the handle of a gas pump anymore w/o seeing an ad. =
Sheesh!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Kaynor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmjm@michaelmeltzer.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">Michael Meltzer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, =
2002=20
12:08 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Rhodes22-list] =
Boat=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off I talked to Elton, he =
just got back=20
from the boat show, His rainman legend lives :-) Days he was at =
the show=20
it rained and days he took of from the show were sunny, Now people =
we are=20
having a drought an all over, The odds of this being only chance =
are=20
starting to sound like winning powerball :-) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems he is gathering =
specially parts for=20
sale at boat(he there anyhow :-), Like the seat cushions, LED =
trailer=20
lights(like a kit for a triad trailer), hook on boat bumpers(the =
work=20
nicely with curved hull), dog life vest(great for Rooney), etc. It =
the=20
cute stuff that might make it into west next year or two. He ask =
if the=20
could mention them on the list. He evened offend at LIST =
member=20
discount :-). I think most of us know him, he a good guy and I =
have no=20
problem with it. He also mentioned Stan might have some stuff he =
might=20
want to post to the list. I think he called to make sure he would =
not=20
upset the "Morals" of the list. I figured we are not that pure =
around here=20
and told him to go for it, He GB family :-) I hope did not put "my =
foot in=20
the mouth" and there are no serious objections.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PS. I get nothing out of it, the =
list of=20
items from above is what I am intrested in, which I pay for, In =
fact most=20
likly I think I picked up a headach, he will need a web site=20
=
:-)</FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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