[Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] New list
Rik Sandberg
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:12:45 -0500
Fired up the old decoder ring. Here's the translated version.
Rik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] New list
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
> Cc: "Sam Boyle" <sboyle@sailnet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list
>
>
> > Sam when you are right you are right. I am sorry for any action that you
> > took offense with or generated any ill will. That was not my intention
> here.
> > We have been here for many years(6+-) with only respect for you
providing
> > this service. I was under the impression that this was a public service
of
> > sailnet, an expense that you have born most graciously. You have given
us a
> > place to meet, talk and share time and boating knowledge together. I
(we)
> > Thank You.
> >
> > What happened was born from "Frustration". The list has become very
> > importnat for out lives and the lost mail, delays, outages have been a
> > problem. I think also it came from not being able to reach anyone when
> their
> > is a problem, to control bad behavior on the list and the policies that
kept
> > cutting down attachments.
> >
> > For what it is worth, I do believe in you, I am the one who put in and
> > maintains the link on the rhodes22.com site that has sent traffic here
for the
> > last 6 years. I have bought equipment from sailnet over the years. I
think in
> > fairness, I added a footer to the new list "http://www.sailnet.com/ --
> > Where Sailors Get It!", thought it was the right thing to do. Also I
would
> > be happy to add any user id that you wish so people could get your
weekly
> > store mailer, again it is the right thing to do. (have your sysadmin
> email,
> > takes a few miniutes to do).
> >
> >
> > You never know we might all be back, never know when I go down :-)
> >
> > MJM
> > PS. The computer guy in me wants to suggest you show your systems guy
this
> > letter.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sam Boyle" <sboyle@sailnet.com>
> > To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
> >
> >
> > Been following this thread with a growing sense of disappointment.
> >
> > People are certainly free to spend time on any list they choose. That
> said,
> > I have to question the "manners" of using our resources to promote
> something
> > else... seems a tad bit like biting the hand that's fed this list for
> > years...
> >
> > If folks want to leave then we wish you well. We are asking that you
take
> > that discussion elsewhere and that we have no more of this "guiding
people
> > to the new list" stuff. It just feels bad.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- Sam
> >
> > **************************************************************
> > http://www.sailnet.com/ -- Where Sailors Get It!
> > **************************************************************
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> > Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:13:00 -0400
> > From: Paul Grandholm <PAUL@mi.chtechnology.com>
> > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > Please forgive a dumb question from a relatively computer
> > challenged guy. I'm already overloaded with emails so I'm not inclined
> > to stay on both lists, but I don't want to miss anything either. What I
> > think you're advising us to do is to unsubscribe from the sailnet list
> > and subscribe to your new list. Is that correct? Is the correct timing
> > to do that right now? Please let me know & I'll make the switch. Also,
> > thanks for all the behind-the-scenes work you must have put into to
this.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > >I suspect that most of the new members come from the rhodes22.com link
> > page,
> > > frankly is hard to spot sailnets lists their site is focused more on
the
> > > store. If you are a "old-timer" you know, but a new person would be
hard
> > > pressed.
> > >
> > >The link idea is a good one :-) I should have thought of it :-) the
> problem
> > > is mime is a pain-in-the-ass, the day job is eating cycles right now,
I
> > get
> > > to it soon(weekend maybe). For now the max size is 128k after that it
> > needs
> > > approval, should be ok to dailup at that size. I also need to "demine"
> and
> > > "dehtml" the stuff for the archive and dijest, got a script for that
but
> > > need to drop it in :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >BTW rhodes22.org could use a home page. :-)
> > >
> > >MJM
> > >
> > >PS. ps people I will not cross post for long and you are missing stuff
> > > already :-)
> > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)
> > > To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
> > >
> > >
> > > I have worked closely with MJM in the past (setting up the photo
site),
> > > and have complete confidence that this will be a superior list.
> > >
> > > I do have 2 concerns, though.
> > > 1) The sailnet list probably gets more traffic from 'casual'
browsers.
> > > How will new members find the new list? One possibility... I'll
> probably
> > > stay subscribed to both. If a few others do the same, we can point
> people
> > > in the right direction.
> > > 2) I like the ability to send attachments, but there should be a size
> > > limit. Some of us are still on a dial-up connection. 60k or so
should
> be
> > > more than sufficient for a photo, and exceptions can be made on a
> > > case-by-ca se basis, based on expressed desire from list members. A
> > future
> > > enhancement would be for MJM to dump all attachments into a directory
> and
> > > substitute with an URL pointing to it. That way we could put just
about
> > > anything up there and not bog down e-mail downloads. (how do you like
> > that
> > > Michael? We're already writing requirements for release 2.0! ;^)
> > >
> > > Just a couple of thoughts.
> > >
> > > --Doug
> > >
> > > ps: OK, Michael. Maybe its time we work on the photo site again?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill@effros.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:11 AM
> > > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list
> > >
> > >
> > > YES!
> > >
> > > Michael's new system works better than any system we have used
> before.
> > >
> > > It is very very fast.
> > >
> > > We can send attachments.
> > >
> > > No ads. No spam.
> > >
> > > We can direct people to Rummy's list, Tom's FAQ, and various
picture
> > > sites maintained by others.
> > >
> > > We can write our own rules for what is appropriate for our list.
> > >
> > > We can maintain our list so we don't have to rebuild it if the
> service
> > > provider loses or changes its service.
> > >
> > > Michael has done an incredible job in a short period of time.
(This
> is
> > > standard procedure for MJM.) Someone has helped him proofread his
work.
> > > Thanks to that person or persons.
> > >
> > > Click on the link & sign up:
> > >
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > Make suggestions about how Michael can improve the way it works,
the
> > > wording, etc.
> > >
> > > This is truly our list.
> > >
> > > I'm sure most of us will stay on the Sailnet list as well, but once
> > > you've seen the speed of a list working the way it should, you will
find
> > it
> > > difficult to go back to snail email.
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Michael Meltzer
> > > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > Subject: [rhodes-list] New list
> > >
> > >
> > > Some people might have noticed some Strange messages on the list
> here
> > > what is happening.
> > >
> > > Well everyone, we know what happen last weekend, the sailnet list
> > took
> > > a hit. Not liking the list being down I set up a new listserver under
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list .
> > >
> > > 1)It is a commercial grade server controlled by us
> > > 2)It is fast, message turnaround is under 1 minute, I make sure
it
> > > stays that way(sailnet seems to be 2 hours)
> > > 3)attachment are ok(we control it)
> > > 4)The footer lines are for the list benefit, not to sell ad space
> > > 5)when people sign up they get the rhodes22 charter
> > > 6)The archive system is useable, bet even that will be improved
> > > 7)The control screen are simple and understandable
> > > 8)We control it to make it fit your needs
> > >
> > > Well at this point I built it, it is open to all comers, are we
> ready
> > > for it?
> > >
> > > MJM
> >
> > ========================
> > Paul Grandholm
> > C&H Technology
> > GrandPower Components Div.
> > ========================
> >
> >
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