[Rhodes22-list] Cooking

Mary Lou Troy mltroy@netreach.net
Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:09:56 -0500


Well someone has to talk about cooking on the boat. Fretless came with one 
of the older Bluet Camping Gaz stoves, a backpacking stove.  Instead of the 
windscreen it had an 8 or 9" stainless tray set into the countertop. As the 
gas canister screwed onto the stove, the valve pierced the can. Once the 
can was on the stove you could not remove it until the gas was used up. 
While I was initially skeptical, I never had one leak. I cooked for 4 years 
on that stove quite successfully - tea in the morning, pancakes, french 
toast, eggs, toasted bagels, pastas, chicken, rice dishes etc., etc. All of 
the cooking was done at anchor or at the dock in mostly flat water where 
the only waves were from occasional PWCs or waterskiers. While I treated 
the flame with caution - I cook on a gas stove at home - I never felt the 
arrangement was unsafe. I do cook in pots with higher sides that I would at 
home. We recently had difficulty finding the canisters so I started looking 
for a new stove. After looking at many different types I found a newer 
Camping Gaz stove that uses the canisters with valves that are more readily 
available. It fit into the old stainless pan with only minor adjustments. 
We changed the mount of the stainless pan from underneath the counter to 
the top of the counter so the burner was a little higher. I'm very pleased 
with it  - it cooks even better than the old one. We also have a rail 
mounted grill. Our favorite meals this summer were where we marinated the 
meat and cooked it on the grill, boiled the marinade and then used to cook 
some rice on the stove. Add a salad and there's the meal.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA



At 01:31 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Brad,
>
>We have long skirted over the cooking issue, I'm glad you brought it up.
>
>Like you, I'm uncomfortable with the fire down below.  Roger has faced all
>adjacent surfaces with stainless steel.  Have you seen those pictures?
>
>The Magma BarBQue grill can be hung over the stern rail so that it and the
>fuel and anything on fire will simply fall semi-harmlessly into the water.
>The new propane magmas can be used as a grill, as an oven, or as a burner.
>I store my grill in the lazarette and can quickly set it up as needed.
>However it's a little awkward leaning out to cook, and many a good meal has
>fallen overboard.
>
>Roger pre-plans everything, packs food in dry ice, and prefers to cook it on
>shore.  Since a Rhodes can be pulled right up to the beach this is a viable
>option.
>
>Cooking on board is dicey even in much larger boats.  Scalding is always a
>danger, in addition to carbon monoxide, stuff catching on fire below deck,
>and fuel exploding.
>
>I doubt that cooking electrically is viable.  The current draw is enormous
>and will suck the life out of as many batteries as you would ever consider
>carrying.  The small generator cannot provide enough power for cook as you
>generate, and would have to stay on 24 hours a day to recharge the batteries
>for 15 minutes of use.  You'll wind up carrying and playing with a whole lot
>of gasoline high on a potentially rocking boat (not supposed to refill while
>hot--just one more problem.)
>
>Bill Berner has done a lot of cruising, and I'd love to hear how he has
>handled this problem.
>
>I'd also love to hear how others handle both overnight cooking and cruising
>cooking.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical KISS
>
>
>Bill, for some reason about half the photos from the
>R-22 server come up as text files on my computer.
>Haven't figured that one out yet.  I looked for the
>Thermos solution on the Rhodes22.org site but didn't
>find it.  We currently use a thermos for our day auto
>trips and it works fine and would suffice for
>daysailing.  One of the nice things about being on the
>Tennessee River is the ability to travel and yet stay
>in protected waters.  My older sons and I plan to make
>a trip to Knoxville in one direction and KY Lake in
>the other, each trip 3-5 days or more if we don't
>trailer home and possibly to Mobile as well.  I've
>already done the wiring for shore power, and the DC
>stuff is a piece of cake (I worked as an aircraft
>mechanic decades ago and have an A&P license).  The
>only issue for me is weight and storage space.  We
>don't plan on having any six course meals on board
>just some soup, some coffee, and some hot butter for
>Rummy if we cross paths.  I've owned three VW campers
>and an Airstream and I'm just not a big fan of fire in
>confined spaces especially when it rocks.  Obviously I
>could buy bigger boat that had all the bells and
>whistles but I bet their owner list would be dull.
>
>Brad Haslett
>"CoraShen"
>--- Bill Effros <bill@effros.com> wrote:
> > Brad,
> >
> > Have you seen Roger's Hot Water Thermos solution to
> > the problem?  Seems a
> > lot simpler to me.  I've attached the pictures.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical KISS
> >
> >
> > Actually there is one high power draw application
> > that
> > I'm condidering but because I haven't done the math
> > yet I haven't thrown it out to the list for
> > discussion.  My boat doesn't have a stove and there
> > really isn't a single one I've seen yet that fills
> > all
> > the squares for me.  I'm not paranoid but I have
> > seen
> > all the pictures from the early days of the DC-10
> > where one of our Middle Eastern friends set the
> > airplane on fire cooking goat on the way to Mecca.
> > Starting an open flame in an R-22 galley doesn't
> > apeal
> > to me so here's the idea:  I need hot water about
> > 2-3
> > times a day, once for coffee, maybe soup, and my
> > daughter's needs.  A 12v DC coffee maker would do
> > the
> > trick without the need for a stove.  If I keep the
> > use
> > down to 15 minutes at a time for less than 2-3 times
> > a
> > day I think an extra battery would suffice.  If
> > someone has already done this or wants to "run the
> > numbers" let me know (I never pass up free math
> > tutoring or electrical engineering).  Brad.
> >
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