Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
Roger Pihlaja
cen09402@centurytel.net
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:01:45 -0500
Wally,
You know, I've read a lot about the use of pressure cookers, especially
aboard boats. Lots of cooks seem to swear by them & they sure do speed
things up. My mother used to use a pressure cooker to make canned goods
when I was a kid, but I've not really seen one since then. I was always a
little concerned that the motion of the boat, even at anchor or at a dock,
might cause a piece of food to slosh up & clog the relief valve on the
pressure cooker. Overpressuring one of those things in the close confines
of an R-22 galley could really ruin your whole day...Just something to think
about. Or, maybe I'm just a crusty old chemical engineer who's spent too
much time around pressure vessels & relief valves for his own good.
The cast iron Dutch ovens are obviously too heavy for backpacking, but they
don't take up too much room in the lazarette compartment & you can fill them
with other stuff when you're not cooking in them. If you can't have a wood
campfire on shore, then you can also cook with a Dutch oven using charcoal.
Of course, building & using a cooking campfire is an art unto itself, which
also requires practice & constant attention.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey@hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
> Roger,
>
> Thanks for the details. My dutch oven is very heavy and I will save it for
> home use, but the BackPacker sounds interesting. I know what you mean
about
> cooking with these type devices. It does take some practice but like I
said
> I have had my Coleman Oven for almost 20 years, you just need to check
> often. The Coleman Oven doesn't distribute heat that evenly. If it is cold
> and windy outside it makes things even trickier. I think it takes up to
much
> room when when in use to be practical on the boat.
>
> Another thing I am considering is a small pressure cooker. I have a large
> one at home and we use often. I can make a Pot Roast in 45 minutes that
> will make my GrandMa jealous. It also makes BBQ Pork or ribs in under an
> hour total time. Not as good as when I smoke the Pork for 12 hours at home
> but it is quick and easy.
>
> I do at least half the cooking at home and all of the cooking when we camp
> or cruise. In another life I ran a restaurant for many years, I don't miss
> it but I learned a lot about cooking.
>
> Wally
>
> >From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
> >Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:13:51 -0500
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >The BakePacker is a special insert that fits inside of a pot with a tight
> >fitting lid. With the BakePacker Standard, the pot must be round with an
> >ID
> >of 7-1/2" min to 8" max. & 6" - 8" tall in order for the BakePacker to
work
> >properly. It's best to 1st order your BakePacker, read the instruction
> >manual, & then go shopping for the pot. Take the BakePacker insert along
> >when you shop for the pot in order to check fit.
> >
> >Whether it's baking in a Dutch oven over a campfire, using a Coleman
> >folding
> >camp oven, or a BakePacker, these things take a little time & practice to
> >learn to use effectively. None of them are as idiotproof as your
microwave
> >oven or even your convection oven at home. Temperature regulation is el
> >manual controlo & you're timing things with your wristwatch. Sometimes,
> >you're not really timing the meal at all, just checking frequently,
> >adjusting the heat, & turning things for even cooking until it just looks
> >"done". When cooking with these devices, you have to pay strict
attention
> >to what you're doing & not let yourself get distracted. It's best to
> >practice a few times at home before you depend upon any of these devices
> >for
> >a meal you really have to eat out in the middle of nowhere!
> >
> >But, on the other hand, you should see the look in people's eyes when you
> >pop a full size pineapple upside down cake out of a Dutch oven that they
> >just watched you bake over a campfire! Personally, I prefer fresh baked
> >fudge brownies with a glass of a good stout burgundy to go with a pretty
> >sunset & good friends with maybe the few loons calling to each other in
the
> >background.
> >
> >Roger Pihlaja
> >S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey@hotmail.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:42 PM
> >Subject: Re: Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
> >
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I may have to check out the Back Packer Standard you describe, is this
a
> >lid
> > > that fits on pots that buyer supplies or is this pot with lid? It
sounds
> > > like just the lid from description.
> > >
> > > I have one of the Coleman Folding Oven you mention as well as an old
> >Coleman
> > > two burner stove. These things last for ever, mine are about 20 years
> >old.
> >I
> > > bought spare parts for my stove about ten years ago thinking they
would
> >soon
> > > wear out. I still have the spare pieces.
> > >
> > > The folding stove can be a little tricky. If you don't overload and
> >rotate
> > > stuff as needed they work well. You can bake bisuits if you keep your
> >eye
> >on
> > > them. I have also baked brownies, other campers get very jealous. I
even
> >ran
> > > over mine (it was flat) many years ago, the hinges are a little bent
so
> >it
> > > doesn't fold as well as it used to, it still works fine.
> > >
> > > I have the original stove in my galley and like others have mentioned
> >you
> > > can't get fuel. I haven't decided what to do for long term replacement
> >but
> > > right now I use my Coleman Stove, it works fine, we have very
sheltered
> > > coves.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > > >From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
> > > >Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:49:34 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Anne,
> > > >
> > > >My favorite boating cookbook is:
> > > >
> > > >Terry L. Searfoss, "The Two Burner Gourmet - The Cookbook For
Cruising
> > > >Yachtsman", Published by The Two Burner Gourmet, 1800 Wilson Ave.,
> >Saginaw,
> > > >MI 48603, 1991
> > > >
> > > >This cookbook is spiral bound so it will lie open flat & the paper
> >seems
> >to
> > > >be pretty water resistant. Terry also devotes some space to galley
> >setup,
> > > >cookware, storage, clean-up, garbage & trash, & meal planning.
> > > >
> > > >For beach camping, you can make some amazing meals & desserts in a
cast
> > > >iron
> > > >Dutch oven over a camp fire. My favorite Dutch oven cookbook is:
> > > >
> > > >Sheila Mills, "The Outdoors Dutch Oven Cookbook", Ragged Mountain
Press
> > > >Div.
> > > >of McGraw Hill Publishing, Camden, Maine, 1997, ISBN 0-07-043023-3
> > > >
> > > >Extended cruising in our R-22's bears more than a passing similarity
to
> > > >camping. Many camping cooking techniques & recipes lend themselves
> >very
> > > >well to life aboard an R-22, especially if you wish to do without
> > > >refrigeration. My favorite camping cookbook is:
> > > >
> > > >John G. Ragsdale, "Camper's Guide To Outdoor Cooking - Tips,
> >Techniques,
> > > >and
> > > >Delicious Eats", Gulf Publishing Co, Houston, TX, 1989, Revised &
> >Reprinted
> > > >in 1995, ISBN 0-87201-626-9
> > > >
> > > >The Boy Scouts of America publishes numerous books & pamphlets re
camp
> > > >cooking. Those of you wishing a Cooking 101 course will find these
> > > >publications very helpful because they were intended to teach young
> >Scouts.
> > > >Any of these publications would be available at your local Boy Scout
> > > >Council
> > > >Service Center:
> > > >
> > > >"Camp Cookery For Small Groups - Recipes For Groups Of Eight", 1997,
> >ISBN
> > > >0-8395-3592-9
> > > >
> > > >"Fieldbook - Boy Scouts of America", 3rd Edition, 1984, ISBN
> >0-8395-3200-8
> > > >Note: The Fieldbook makes especially interesting reading. It has
> >chapters
> > > >explaining how to do almost anything! This is the real life version
of
> >the
> > > >"Jr. Woodchuck Handbook" from the Disney cartoon, "Ducktales"!
> > > >
> > > >Boy Scouts of America Merit Badge Pamphlets:
> > > >
> > > >"Backpacking", 2002 Edition, ISBN 0-8395-3232-6
> > > >"Camping", 2001 Printing of the 1999 Edition, ISBN 0-8395-3256-3
> > > >"Cooking", 2001 Edition, ISBN 0-8395-3349-7
> > > >
> > > >Other than the cast iron Dutch oven mentioned above, here are a
couple
> >of
> > > >other pieces of cooking equipment you might want to consider:
> > > >
> > > >Coleman Folding Camp Oven - If you have a good stove for a source of
> >heat.
> > > >Once you learn to use one these folding sheet metal ovens on top of
> >your
> > > >galley stove or on shore with a backpacking stove, you will be able
to
> >bake
> > > >or roast almost anything. The folding oven knocks down flat for
> >storage.
> > > >It only weighs a couple of pounds & doesn't take up much room folded
> >flat.
> > > >Any good sporting goods store or camping outfitter should be able to
> >sell
> > > >you one of these ovens.
> > > >
> > > >BakePacker Standard (tm) to fit a 7-1/2" to 8" ID round cook pot with
a
> > > >tight fitting lid. Manufactured by:
> > > > Strike 2 Industries Inc.
> > > > E. 508 Augusta Ave.
> > > > Spokane, WA 99207
> > > > 509-484-3701
> > > >Note: there is also a smaller version called the BakePacker
Ultralight
> > > >(tm),
> > > >which is intended for use with single serving backpacking cookware &
is
> >too
> > > >small for most uses aboard the R-22. The BakePacker is shipped with
a
> > > >supply of cooking bags & a small instruction/recipe book.
> > > >
> > > >This remarkable little accessory will allow you to bake or roast
inside
> >a
> > > >food storage bag or Reynolds Oven Roasting bag over your galley stove
> >or
> > > >backpacking stove. I have used my BakePacker to prepare roast
chicken,
> > > >beef
> > > >& pork roasts with tiny carrots, onions, potatoes, & gravy, muffins,
> > > >biscuits, cinnamon sticky buns, corn bread, fudge brownies, chocolate
> >chip
> > > >cookies, etc. Because all the cooking is done inside of a bag, the
> >meal
> > > >prep can be done at home ahead of time, & there is no clean-up. Once
> >you
> > > >learn how to use your BakePacker, you will be able to prepare gourmet
> >meals
> > > >in the middle of nowhere that will just absolutely amaze your crew!
My
> > > >wife
> > > >& kids also like it when I try out a new BakePacker recipe on them by
> > > >preparing the dish at home on top of our kitchen stove. Note: The
> > > >BakePacker works best with a gas-fired stove.
> > > >
> > > >Roger Pihlaja
> > > >S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy@netreach.net>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:15 AM
> > > >Subject: Cookbooks (was Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like one. Not sure how much I have to contribute. We've gotten
> > > >lazier
> > > > > and lazier about cooking but I could probably find a few recipes
> >that
> > > >we've
> > > > > tested. When we first started out cruising, the two cookbooks I
> >found
> >to
> > > >be
> > > > > most helpful were "The One Pan Gourmet: Fresh Food on the Trail"
by
> >Don
> > > > > Jacobson and "The Two Burner Gourmet: The Cookbook for Cooking Far
> >From
> > > > > Home" by Terry L. Searfoss. Both of them were more helpful for the
> > > >mindset
> > > > > rather than the actual recipes, though I'll probably reread both
of
> >them
> > > > > this winter looking for ideas. I think a Rhodes 22 cookbook would
be
> >fun
> > > >-
> > > > > especially the idea of testing recipes at gatherings. The only
> >problem
> > > > > might be that most of these recipes are hard to make in quantity -
> >of
> > > > > course everyone could make something different and we could all
> >sample.
> > > > > What I'm really looking for is a "no refrigeration" cookbook. One
of
> >our
> > > > > library patrons was talking about one some church group had put
> > > >together.
> > > > > She was going to get me more information but didn't do it and I
> >haven't
> > > >see
> > > > > her in a long time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mary Lou
> > > > > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > > > > Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:12 AM 11/5/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > > >Anne, Thanks for the cooking notes, I am more hungry now and
> >anxious
> > > >for
> > > > > >summer time to come back. I bought a "Tailgaters" cookbook for
my
> > > >brother
> > > > > >(big rams fan) which limited all recipies to that which could be
> > > >prepared
> > > > > >on a small bbq and a coleman stove in the middle of no-where - ie
> > > > > >tailgating parkinglot. It is a great concept since the "authors"
> >are
> > > > > >forced to tell all the logistics involved in preparing a meal
under
> > > >these
> > > > > >restrictions.
> > > > > >The recipeis read just like yours. MY IDEA is to make a Cruisers
> > > >Cookbook
> > > > > >- It has been done ( almost to death ) but not with the
> > > > > >Pre-Preparation and all the logisticical comments necessary to
cook
> > > > > >multiple Items with only a burner and a BBQ. Some of these even
> >refer
> > > >to
> > > > > >Oven settings - the closest thing I got to an oven is the laz
right
> > > >before
> > > > > >the gas tank exploses. Is there any Interest in putting together
a
> > > >RHODES
> > > > > >22 Cookbook - I would take care of compiling and printing - We
> >could
> > > > > >"Test" recipies at gatherings. Heck the ideas are flowing. Stan
> >could
> > > > > >give one with the sale of the boat. ANY INTEREST. Bob Weber
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: "anima" <anima@apex.net>
> > > > > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cooking
> > > > > >>Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:40:25 -0600
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Ok fellas, ya got me on one of my favorite subjects.
> > > > > >>I really think you're on the engineer overkill for this
> > > > > >>power thing.
> > > > > >>I only have charcoal and wished I had purchased the
> > > > > >>propane magma but several years ago this list went through
> > > > > >>such a thing about Ka-Boom that I chickened out. I have
> > > > > >>since cooked on many a boat and have learned the safety
> > > > > >>steps and feel quite comfortable (though always on the alert).
> > > > > >>For a weekend on Pickwick (have sailed and overnighted on that
> > > > > >>great water also) or KY Lake, I believe you just have to plan
> >well.
> > > > > >>As Brad had leaked, I have the one-burner stock GB stove and
> > > > > >>a charcoal magma.
> > > > > >>I do the chicken (or hamburger) on Friday night. This I have in
> > > >marinade
> > > > > >>and nearly frozen, since these are more susceptible.Next is
> >completely
> > > > > >>frozen Pork tenderloin in marinade in ziplock bag for 2nd night.
I
> > > >will
> > > > > >>put potatoes in oil and lemon and rosemary in a aluminum foil
> >packet
> > > >and
> > > > > >>ziplock. These I place on the coals as they are started so the
> > > >potatoes
> > > >can
> > > > > >>cook. (If I am really organized, I sometimes precook 'em a ways
at
> > > >home.)
> > > > > >>My job hours are long, so rarely get that good!
> > > > > >>I make a mean rice and bean and corn dish (some of you had this
at
> >KY)
> > > > > >>and this goes in a foil packet and warms up on the coals prior
to
> >meat
> > > > > >>grilling also...you can always leave it on the grill when you
put
> >on
> > > >the
> > > > > >>grate.
> > > > > >> I usually save thick pieces of steak for the third day. I have
> >one
> > > >of
> > > >those
> > > > > >>soft sided coolers that fits ontop of the "beer bin" in the
> >refridge.
> > > > > >>I have the side opening door on fridge rather than the 'dig in
> >from
> > > >the
> > > >top"
> > > > > >>that I saw at our gathering on some boats. (I like my side
opener
> > > >better,
> > > > > >>but this may be a familiarity issue) Seems easier to get a beer.
> > > > > >>I put one of those pre-frozen packs in the soft sider next to
the
> >meat
> > > > > >>along with ice that I replenish through the weekend.
> > > > > >>Many times even in the 90+ weather, I have to remember to get
the
> > > > > >>frozen meat out so it will thaw and marinate or we eat very
late!
> > > > > >>Often when I come home from store I will marinate the meat
before
> >I
> > > > > >>freeze it...Walla! Super organization! I like those days!
> > > > > >>The remainder of side dishes I store in cooler in the ever
> >wonderful
> > > > > >>ziplocks and generally plan for non refridgerated treats. I have
> > > >planty
> > > > > >>of beer storage as Brad already told you and... experienced
first
> > > >hand!
> > > > > >>Plenty of room for dinner wine in the V berth shelves.
> > > > > >>Plus, 5 fenders for rafting up with the big boys!
> > > > > >>I always tell 'em.....7.5 foot cockpit...just perfect for a
single
> > > >gal.
> > > > > >>Meanwhile they are pretty packed in on their 30+ footer
cockpits!
> > > > > >>In the a.m. I use the burner inside with pop-top up for boiling
> >coffee
> > > > > >>water which is my reverse osmosis water from home. I stock
gallons
> > > > > >>of these in the lazerette. I use the old Melitta drip. they have
a
> >new
> > > >pot
> > > > > >>that is thermal and holds over 8 cups of coffee! $20 on their
> >site.
> > > > > >>(Actually, I gave it to Steve because he liked it so much and it
> >is
> > > >now
> > > > > >>on the "Bright Star" at Marco Island this eve, sailing on its
way
> >to
> > > > > >>Guatemala.)
> > > > > >>Guess i'll have to get a new one for my boat.
> > > > > >>Cooking 101,
> > > > > >>Anne
> > > > > >>
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