[Rhodes22-list] Todd's No Tell Policy
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Todd,
My '84 Rhodes is at Holiday Marina in Mayo on the South River. I would =
be glad to meet you there anytime to help you measure anything you want =
that doesn't involve dismantling my boat which is in the water. I know =
that '84 and '74 may be ages apart but if you don't get a better offer =
let me know and I will send you directions to the marina.
I have never met the owner of the older Rhodes in my marina but Holiday =
Point's number is 410/956-2208. They may be willing to put you in touch =
with the owner. Seems like that may be the one you need to study.
Lloyd
s/v Uhuru II
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Todd's No Tell Policy
Lloyd,
Thanks for writing. Let me start by saying that I do appreciate =
the hoop jumpers... and teenage son hoisters :-) who have helped me out.
To answer the two question you forwarded. =20
1. I "complain"ed that I could only find two Rhodes near where I keep =
my boat which south of Annapolis mid-Chesapeake Bay. I live in the =
southern part of Maryland. =20
2. I would have to get back to you on the entire hull number. Going =
only from memory, the number is something like GBX_____M74J__. If you =
know someone that has had a blue trimmed 1974? Rhodes 22 stolen, let me =
know and I will forward the entire number to the proper authorities.
So having a handful of questions answered by the same few =
knowledgeable people is more attention than anyone else has gotten in =
years????? And I wasn't asking where someone had mounted the compass in =
their camel. :-) I try to shoot straight and not hit below the belt but =
sometimes joke too much.
I expressed frustration because I had spent some hours at two =
finger typing speed to re-type the only tangible literature, made =
available through the kindness of Mark, MJMeltzer and others, I had seen =
and about feeling I was getting the brush off by GB and everybody here =
on the list jumped on my head. Some people acted as if I was making =
personal attacks on Stan Spitzer himself. One writer implied that if I =
wanted literature and information--I should drop the 20 grand and buy a =
new Rhodes 22 and shut up. =20
I understand that Mr. Spitzer has a business to run, and maybe =
selling parts or giving advice "for free" isn't how he pays his =
overhead. But saying "request denied" to letting individuals post =
copies of literature for individuals on the internet at no charge?? =
Excuse me for thinking and saying here that it doesn't make sense. Is =
charging $25 a pop for material.. ..uncopyrighted material yet.......the =
make or break for General Boats? If I had the $20,000 (or whatever a =
new Rhodes 22 is going for) to buy a new boat just to get a free copy of =
the uncopyrighted owners manual ...which is a glorified sales =
brochure...maybe I would have been at the last boat show check in hand. =
Forgive me if anyone one is sensitive and that hurts their feelings. If =
no one answers another single question for me because I speak my mind =
and call 'em as I see "em, then so be it.
There are more than a few people on this list that have done =
what I am doing...got an older R22 and are trying to or have fixed it =
up....and have gotten little support from GB. I have gotten dozens of =
private e-mails to tell me this. They are glad I am not easily =
insulted or embarrased and ask stupid questions because they are =
learning too. Seeing how some have scolded me.....and.......trashed =
Roger for his concise technical answers, would make most gun-shy to ask =
anyone anything. I guess I am also a little bit "too engineer anal" =
because I was overly concerned with getting my boat back into the =
standard configuration as far an rigging and rudder, etc. when no such =
animal exists. Luckily there are some fine people out there that =
actually know more about boats and the R22 than how to unfurl the main =
an d pop open a Budweiser and aren't afraid to share or straighten me. =
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Todd,=20
I have been following your correspondence on this list as have all the =
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Two direct questions were asked of you that I don't recall you =
answered.=20
The first was where do you live. You complain that you have found a =
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Rhodes22s in marina/s near you but would not go on another persons =
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without their permission. In my marina there are two Rhodes22s. One =
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made in the seventies, mine is a mid-eighties version. I have shown my =
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to a couple of people who indicated an interest in looking. Maybe mine =
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one of the ones you found but how would I know.=20
The second direct question I missed the answer to was your boat serial =
number. I see that you have finally seen fit to share the first three=20
letters of that number. Assuming the boat isn't hot, the full number=20
includes the year of manufacture. This number will encourage people =
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boats built in that time frame to try to help you, i.e., I know my =
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doesn't have a new style centerboard because it was built before they =
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the daily special. While I find these options interesting, if I wanted =
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I am amazed at the hoops the members of this list have jumped through =
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you. You have received more attention that anyone in the three years I =
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been following this list. Not that I would expect any less from the =
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of the list, but I have gotten use to people here who share rather =
than play=20
poker with such a knowledgeable group.=20
That being said, I wish you the best of luck in your boat rebuilding=20
efforts.=20
Lloyd=20
s/v Uhuru II=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Todd,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">My '84 Rhodes is at Holiday Marina =
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the South River. I would be glad to meet you there anytime to help =
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measure anything you want that doesn't involve dismantling my boat which =
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the water. I know that '84 and '74 may be ages apart but if you =
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a better offer let me know and I will send you directions to the=20
marina.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I have never met the owner of the =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Lloyd</FONT></DIV>
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mounted the compass in their camel. :-) I try to shoot straight =
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expressed frustration because I had spent some hours at two =
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speed to re-type the only tangible literature, made available through =
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kindness of Mark, MJMeltzer and others, I had seen and about feeling I =
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getting the brush off by GB and everybody here on the list jumped =
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head. Some people acted as if I was making personal attacks on =
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Spitzer himself. One writer implied that if I wanted =
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information--I should drop the 20 grand and buy a new Rhodes 22 and =
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<P> I understand that Mr. Spitzer has a =
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individuals post copies of literature for individuals on the internet =
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Boats? If I had the $20,000 (or whatever a new =
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going for) to buy a new boat just to get a free copy of the =
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owners manual ...which is a glorified sales brochure...maybe I would =
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at the last boat show check in hand. Forgive me if anyone =
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sensitive and that hurts their feelings. If no one =
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another single question for me because I speak my mind and call 'em as =
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straighten me. </P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "lcrowther" <LCROWTHER@COX.NET>
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<DIV></DIV>To: "New Rhodes22 List" <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
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<DIV></DIV>I have been following your correspondence on this list as =
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<DIV></DIV>Two direct questions were asked of you that I don't recall =
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<DIV></DIV>The first was where do you live. You complain that you have =
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<DIV></DIV>one of the ones you found but how would I know.=20
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