[Rhodes22-list] Sails!

Fri Apr 18 12:12:12 EDT 2003

Wally,

I need to do some comparisons between the UPS and the 175% on various points
of sail and in various wind conditions to be able to tell you which works
better when. I can say, however, that the UPS definitely goes to wind better
than our asymmetric and definitely not as well as the 175%. We've got the
CDI furler and try to make the decision which headsail we're going to use
before we leave the dock.

BTW - we, too, are able to point higher with the 135% (new this year) than
with the 175%.

We were out for about 4 hours Wed. in winds of 8-12 mph gusting to 16. We
only used the UPS on the downwind parts of the sail and used the 135%
upwind. We tried running the UPS sheets through the Genoa leads on one run,
then we tried running them through blocks snap shackled to the aft cleats on
another run. Julie was trimming the sail and said it was shaped better using
the aft blocks. Seems like in heavier wind, it did better on the aft blocks,
and in lighter wind it did better in the genoa leads - less slatting
movement at the tack. In both cases we had much more success jibing down the
lake than running straight downwind. We tried wing-on-wing just to see if
the sail would be able to handle it - it did, but performance suffered.

We messed around a bit w/ trying to unfurl the UPS before furling the
headsail to see if we could. No luck so far, though. The UPS bellies out
considerably further than the 135% we were using and, when you maintain any
tension on the sheet to get a nice roll, the UPS wants to get rolled up with
the genoa.

We also tried deploying the genoa before we furled the UPS without too much
success. I think we may have to furl one sail before we can unfurl the
other. I'm waiting for a fixed bail snap shackle to arrive so I can resolve
the furling line wrap problem I mentioned in an earlier post. Once that's
installed, I expect we'll be able to knock the time required for furling and
deployment down to a reasonably acceptable minimum.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails!

> Mark,
>
> That doesn't surprise me considering the cut of the sails. I wouldn't get
> the UPS for pointing. When heading upwind I would use my exisitng 125 and
> furl the UPS.
>
> I guess what I am really considering is a 150 or 155 vs. the 175. I
> mentioned the UPS because Rummy said the 175 was great going down wind. If
> one wants a great downwind sail I think they would be better off with
> spinnaker or UPS.
>
> The subject only came up because I am going to start racing my R22. If I
> wasn't racing I would stick with what I have.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0400
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >I can tell you right now that the UPS won't point as high as the 175%.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:48 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> >
> >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > I am considering a new genny but I wasn't sure if I would be happy
with
> >the
> > > 175 except in really light winds. I am waiting for feedback on the UPS
> >sail
> > > to see how people compare it to the 175.  I know you love your 175. At
> >what
> > > wind speed (when solo) do you need to start furling the 175 to keep
the
> >boat
> > > from excessive heel and loss of speed?
> > >
> > > One nice thing about the 125 is it fits perfectly inside the upper
> >shroud
> > > and stops just short of the spreader. I can point much higher with
this
> >sail
> > > than my old 150 furled. I would think the difference would be even
more
> > > noticeable with the 175.
> > >
> > > My Harken Furler does allow much better sail shape than the GB furler.
> >Plus
> > > sail changes are pretty easy. I am not in a rush but at some point I
> >would
> > > like to add a second headsail. I just need to figure out which one
would
> >be
> > > the most versatile.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: johntonjes at earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:59:31 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >Really throw the ratings for a loop and get a 175 genoa. :)
> > > >
> > > >Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Date: 4/17/2003 2:32:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hear you on the vang. It will help a lot going upwind. With any
> >luck
> >I
> > > >can
> > > > > convert the one from my Bantam to the R22. I really don't need
> >anything
> > > > > fancy. If I can convince a friend to crew I will fly spinnaker
down
> > > >wind.
> > > >My
> > > > > boat is not rigged for racing. I have IMF and a 125 jib. I have an
> >older
> > > >150
> > > > > but the 125 is one year old and is much faster than the 18 year
old
> >150.
> > > >One
> > > > > thing that will help me is that river racing requires a lot of
> >tacking.
> > > >Most
> > > > > of the bigger boats race short handed so I am hoping I can use
that
> >to
> > > >my
> > > > > advantage.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes the fee includes a bunch of parties and dinners. In fact
> >they
> > > >spend
> > > > > everything on parties and cheap trophies. They have a Christmas
> >light
> > > >parade
> > > > > and dinner party that is supposed to be a bunch of fun. The Club
> >house
> > > >is
> > > >a
> > > > > house right next to the marina. There is usually people in hanging
> >out
> > > > > watching the game or enjoying a drink (BYOB) on the weekend. I
> >really
> > > >wasn't
> > > > > interested in joining but they seemed like such a nice group of
> >folks
> > > >that I
> > > > > am now looking forward to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the 325 PHRF, I am not sure if I can sell them on that.
> >There
> > > >are
> > > > > about four or five boats in the 22 - 25 range that race. There are
> >two
> > > > > Compaq 23s and an Oday 222 that race. In spite of my non racing
rig
> >pass
> > > > > them all of the time. It will be hard to get anything slower than
> >they
> > > >get.
> > > > > I have passed the Catalina 25 heading upwind a couple of times. I
> >will
> > > >let
> > > > > you know what they stick me with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wally
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:33:15 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Wally, You do need a boom vang for sail shape for anything from a
> >beam
> > > > > >reach on down.  I have a standard main and it gets a lot of twist
> >on
> > > > > >anything more than a close reach.  Congrats on the
Yaaaaaaaaaaaacht
> > > >Club
> > > >!
> > > > > >Hopefully the fee includes a few parties.   My entry fee was 30$
> >and
> > > > > >includes about 8 parties.  We are not as exclusive in MO.  Also
you
> > > >will
> > > > > >want a wisker pole for the downwind leg.  Good luck - Make us
proud
> >-
> > > >don't
> > > > > >lower our PHRF though.  Got a 325 this year.  I can run the
course
> >the
> > > >next
> > > > > >day and still have a shot at winning :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Weber
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > >>Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:58:50 -0400
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>It has been a little more than a year since I slipped my R22 at
> >Blue
> > > > > >>Springs Marina. Several of the Yacht Club members have asked me
to
> > > >join
> > > > > >>the yacht club but I never got around to it. Well last weekend
> >they
> > > >had
> > > >a
> > > > > >>party that I attended. I finally decided to join Horizon Yacht
> >Club.
> > > >It
> > > >is
> > > > > >>very swanky, expensive, and quite exclusive (not really it is in
> >TN!)
> > > >and
> > > > > >>I needed to find a sponsor. After much controversy I was voted
in.
> >I
> > > >only
> > > > > >>need to come up with the steep yearly dues. After writing  the
> >Purser
> > > >a
> > > > > >>check for $150 it was official.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Link to Blue Springs -
> > > > > >>http://www.bluespringsmarina.com/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I was quite proud to learn that my boat is considered to be one
of
> >the
> > > > > >>most sailed boats in the marina. They race the first Saturday of
> >every
> > > > > >>month and have regattas with other clubs in the area. There are
> > > >several
> > > > > >>that are serious (J24 & J80) but most are just looking for fun.
> >Most
> > > >of
> > > > > >>the boats are in the 27 to 35 foot range and usually don't have
a
> >full
> > > > > >>crew. It is usally about 10 boats total, not a big group.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>So I need to get a boom vang to improve sail shape. I am
thinking
> >of
> > > >using
> > > > > >>the same bail that was provided by GB for mast hoist. I can
attach
> >the
> > > > > >>bail at the bottom of the mast. I am going to experiment using
the
> > > >vang
> > > >I
> > > > > >>made for my Bantam.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Wally
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
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