[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics on the list. my .01

Wed Dec 3 20:18:32 EST 2003

Or, you can do what some of us do; just lurk, read what you want, learn 
what you can, and delete what doesn't interest you.

On Dec 3, 2003, at 8:04 PM, Steve Alm wrote:

> Fred,
> I second what Rik and others have said and want to add one thing:  If 
> you
> don't like it here, leave.  If you leave but still need R22 info, feel 
> free
> to contact any of us "back channel."  But if you want to stay...and 
> bitch,
> that's fine too. There have been many heated discussions here and not 
> many
> of us are shy about that.  Ain't free speech great?
>
> Slim
>
> On 12/3/03 6:02 PM, "Rik Sanberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>>
>> This list was pretty much what it is now when I joined it a little 
>> over
>> four years ago. I have made some pretty good friends through this 
>> list.
>> Sometimes we chat when there's nothing else going on. I don't find the
>> topics we discuss boring, that's why I'm still here. I do though find 
>> a
>> lack of discussion boring and if you go over to the sailnet list you 
>> will
>> probably find there is not much good reason to be there. We got away 
>> from
>> sailnet because we got tired of being told what we could talk about 
>> and it
>> sure shows in the activity on that list. There basically is none. My
>> recommendation to you, being we are making recommendations, is to go 
>> join
>> the sailnet list if you like folks telling you what you have to talk 
>> about
>> and then, talking to no one.
>>
>> It was mostly MJM's doing with some help from a few others that made 
>> this
>> list. We made it the way we wanted it. I don't think we're likely to 
>> change
>> it just 'cause you showed up. If you don't like it here, like you say 
>> there
>> are certainly plenty of other lists for you to join and complain 
>> about.
>>
>> If you have a boat related question to ask, then why don't you ask 
>> it, if
>> it is truly your desire to discuss boat related topics. I find that 
>> what we
>> are talking about now has very little to do with boats and you seem 
>> to be
>> the driving force behind this thread. Perhaps you hadn't noticed the
>> gentleman that just asked the question about making his boat point 
>> better.
>> He got a dozen or better, very helpful replies in darn short order. 
>> That's
>> how it's done here, you ask for help and someone, perhaps many, 
>> provide it.
>> Want to talk boats?? Try talking about boats instead of topics.
>>
>> Rik Sandberg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:45:13 EST, <FredkLange at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> The point is, there would be more than 100 members if people were not
>>> turned away by having their politics, gender, race, religion, etc.,
>>> disparaged.
>>>
>>> Rik,
>>>
>>> I'm amazed you would join a list about something you find boring.  
>>> If you
>>> want to discuss other things, join other lists.
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> You offer hope that we can improve the charter democratically.  How
>>> should we go about it?
>>>
>>> Todd,
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to discredit MJM's contribution, just trying to 
>>> improve it-
>>> -no more bad jokes or misspelled words.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/2/03 11:46:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> rhodes2282 at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>>> Good one, Rik:-)  Hope you had a good Thanksgiving. Your right on 
>>>> the
>>>> money here.  Beside, I have gotten
>>>> use to hearing Roger scouting trip, Rummy-I talked to
>>>> him about everything &Michael &I have been toushing
>>>> cannon balls back &forth since the beginning of this
>>>> list.  I remember when the list first got started;
>>>> there were only a handful of us on the list.  It sure
>>>> was boring till it finally built up to around 100
>>>> members.  Now we have a little community.  The list is
>>>> good the way we have it.  And like you said, if
>>>> someone has a question; someone will come up with the
>>>> answer.  Believe me; we have talked about it all!!!!
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> To all on the list,
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing I find most interesting about these on/off
>>>>> topic discussions is: >Those that are constantly complaining about 
>>>>> the
>>>>> topic, very rarely post a >boating question. If we all sat around
>>>> waiting for
>>>>> most of these folks to say >something, there would be nothing here 
>>>>> but
>>>>> emptiness. AND no point in coming >here.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, all you "topic police", if you want someone to
>>>>> be here to answer your >questions when you finally come up with 
>>>>> one,
>>>> you
>>>>> might consider not asking >that all the veteran owner/sailors be 
>>>>> bored
>>>> to tears
>>>>> while they wait. If you >are going to insist on the boredom, soon 
>>>>> there
>>>> will
>>>>> be no one here to help >you.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a boating question, then post it.
>>>>> Everyone here is more than >happy to talk about boats and will help
>>>> however they
>>>>> can if someone will just >post the question. But, it seems you very
>>>> rarely
>>>>> hear from the "topic police" >except when they decide it's time to
>>>> bitch about the
>>>>> topics. Then it seems >they have lots to say. I wonder, are topic
>>>>> discussions considered "boat >related"???
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/01/2003 01:17 pm, you wrote:
>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While agreeing with much of what you had to say,
>>>>> you should be aware that
>>>>>> when the charter was adopted it was done extremely
>>>>> democratically.  There
>>>>>> were probably 100+ of us on the list at the time,
>>>>> and we worked quite hard
>>>>>> on the charter.  Michael did not impose it, and
>>>>> has accepted every
>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While agreeing with much of what you had to say,
>>>>> and having taken a similar
>>>>>> position in the past, I think it has become
>>>>> obvious over time that the only
>>>>>> way to hold the attention of the experienced list
>>>>> members who provide most
>>>>>> of the answers is to allow them to chat off-topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Todd Tavares
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics on
>>>>> the list. my .01
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I am probably way out of my place here, but
>>>>> being on the receiving end
>>>>>> of MJM's wrath, all the while ignorant of the
>>>>> content and make up of this
>>>>>> list here;  This is basically Michael's list (and
>>>>> others).  We exist here
>>>>>> because of the time, patience, energy, and money
>>>>> Micheal (and a few
>>>>>> others?)spend to administrate this list-serv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Michael has a life and a family, and probably
>>>>> much more imortant things
>>>>>> to do with his time.  He choses to run this list
>>>>> server for his and all of
>>>>>> our pleasure and enjoyment.  Michael has given me
>>>>> the "take you computer
>>>>>> and go down the road speech" before; and that's
>>>>> putting it mildly.  While
>>>>>> this list does have a charter, it is still the
>>>>> creation of MJM and not a
>>>>>> democracy.  If MJM has the stomach to put up with
>>>>> my nonsense, then he (and
>>>>>> all here) have the patience of saints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  So as far as the procedures for adopting,
>>>>> recalling and amending the
>>>>>> charter?  I don't thinks Robert's Rules apply
>>>>> here, but i may be wrong :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Todd
>>>>>>  Not a sermon.....just a thought.
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