[ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea

[Rik Sandberg]

Slim,

I would bet that I know just exactly what Brad is talking about. Years back,
(mid '70s) I lived in the Hibbing, Minnesota area. The only jobs around
there that really paid well, at that time, were in the mines. I had
applications in at several of them. As a reasonably healthy, reasonably
intelligent, fairly ambitious young man, I couldn't get a job in these
places. I even had relatives in a couple of them to put in a good word for
me. Why??? After beating my head against the wall for several months, I was
finally told by one of the hiring people. I was not; Black, or Indian, or a
woman. They needed to increase the percentages of people in minority groups
in their employ. Had I been a Black, or Indian (or some other minority)
woman, I'd have been a shoe in. Oh well, just had to keep plugging away at
the ice cream plant. Guess I've see a little reverse discrimination.

As it turned out, it wasn't all bad. It forced me to try to find something
better. I ended up self employed and now I don't have time to worry about
it. 'Course, I barely have time to sail my boat either, so maybe it ain't so
great. :-) :-) Hoping for an early retirement though. :-) :-)

Rik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea


> Brad,
>
> Exactly how was it that you were "victimized" by reverse discrimination?
> Aren't you now a successful pilot and gainfully employed?  2nd home in
> China?  Sailing vacations in Florida?
>
> It doesn't sound like you're a victim.  I sure don't feel sorry for you.
>
> Slim
>
> On 2/24/03 7:08 AM, "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > To everyone's relief (especially my family) I'm
> > leaving today for Florida to go sailing for a few
> > days.  It will be up to you to solve the worlds
> > problems.  With that in mind, let me leave you with a
> > few thoughts.
> >
> > As was previously said on this list (Rummy I think)
> > you would have been successful with or with out
> > whatever help you recieved with your education.  You
> > would have succeeded without an education.  Talent and
> > ability combined with ambition is nearly always
> > rewarded.  It may have taken longer but you would
> > still have achieved your goals.
> >
> > As a victim of blatant reverse discrimination I have
> > some pretty strong feelings about affirmative action.
> > Frankly, I think its served whatever good purpose, if
> > any, it can and is overdue to eliminated.
> >
> > The following are all quoted from a Wall Street
> > Journal letter titled "Wonder Land" by Daniel
> > Henninger last January (sorry, I clipped the article
> > but cut off the date, it was a Friday).
> > "Three years ago in New York, the percentage of black
> > students who did NOT graduate from high school was
> > 54%.  In California, 41%. In Tennessee, 54% didn't
> > graduate.  And in Wisconsin, which is thought of as a
> > fairly normal place, the percentage of black kids who
> > didn't make it out of high school in the class of 2000
> > was a mind-boggling 59%....This data appears in
> > Education Week's annual report, "Quality
> > Counts"....What we know and have known for a very long
> > time is that nearly half of America's black teenagers
> > haven't a hope of attending even the least-known
> > two-year community college anywhere.  What is the Rev.
> > Jesse L. Jackson doing about this scandal?  He is
> > calling Geooge W. Bush "the most anti-civil rights
> > president in 50 years."  Given those shameful
> > graduation rates, one wonders what the "pro-civil
> > rights presidents were doing the past 50
> > years.......It is remarkable how often the combatants
> > in the debate over college affirmative-action default
> > to the notion that nothing proves one's commitment to
> > "diversity" more than one's willingness to adjust the
> > entry requirements to a Harvard, Yale or Michigan.
> > For instance, New Jersey Rep. Robert Menendez ripped
> > into Mr. Bush last week over his legacy admission
> > "into the Ivy League."  Yale?  The average black child
> > attending high school in Newark, Camden, Paterson or
> > Jersey City can barely hope of getting into, say,
> > Rutgers......
> >
> > The author's point, and mine, is that we have bigger
> > problems to deal with in education than worry about a
> > handful of super-achieving minorities who will make it
> > just fine with or without affirmative action.  Just
> > like you Stan.  Discrimination is wrong.  Changing it
> > from one color to a different color doesn't make it
> > any less wrong.
> >
> > Brad Haslett
> > --- General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >> Glad to see we are back to political bashing - I
> >> agree with Brad, it
> >> perks up the list.   I also agree with Brad that
> >> Billy boy is smart.  IQ
> >> is over 200.  Georgy boy's is under 100 .  I have
> >> mixed feelings about
> >> the affirmative action program since I would have
> >> probably missed out if
> >> this were in place in my day - but don't know why
> >> George would be
> >> against it since he got into Yale because of
> >> Affirmative Action.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >> brad haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve,
> >>>
> >>> The whole Lewensky thing was good for
> >> entertainment
> >>> value if nothing else.  If the press had done
> >> their
> >>> job in the late 80's and early 90's voters would
> >> have
> >>> known what a sleazeball Billy Boy was with his
> >> pants
> >>> up, much less down.  At least the congressional
> >>> elections of 1994 kept his big spending social
> >>> programs in check.  Billy Boy IS a smart guy.  I
> >> would
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________
> >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help?
> > www.rhodes22.org/list
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> > _________________________________________________
> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>
>
> Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.
>
> _________________________________________________
> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list