[ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea

[Steve Alm]

Right Rik!  I won't feel sorry for you either.  You're doin' great!  I guess
the point I'm making is that you can't keep a good man down!  :-)  :-)
Slim

On 2/24/03 4:58 PM, "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> I would bet that I know just exactly what Brad is talking about. Years back,
> (mid '70s) I lived in the Hibbing, Minnesota area. The only jobs around
> there that really paid well, at that time, were in the mines. I had
> applications in at several of them. As a reasonably healthy, reasonably
> intelligent, fairly ambitious young man, I couldn't get a job in these
> places. I even had relatives in a couple of them to put in a good word for
> me. Why??? After beating my head against the wall for several months, I was
> finally told by one of the hiring people. I was not; Black, or Indian, or a
> woman. They needed to increase the percentages of people in minority groups
> in their employ. Had I been a Black, or Indian (or some other minority)
> woman, I'd have been a shoe in. Oh well, just had to keep plugging away at
> the ice cream plant. Guess I've see a little reverse discrimination.
> 
> As it turned out, it wasn't all bad. It forced me to try to find something
> better. I ended up self employed and now I don't have time to worry about
> it. 'Course, I barely have time to sail my boat either, so maybe it ain't so
> great. :-) :-) Hoping for an early retirement though. :-) :-)
> 
> Rik
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
> To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea
> 
> 
>> Brad,
>> 
>> Exactly how was it that you were "victimized" by reverse discrimination?
>> Aren't you now a successful pilot and gainfully employed?  2nd home in
>> China?  Sailing vacations in Florida?
>> 
>> It doesn't sound like you're a victim.  I sure don't feel sorry for you.
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> On 2/24/03 7:08 AM, "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Stan,
>>> 
>>> To everyone's relief (especially my family) I'm
>>> leaving today for Florida to go sailing for a few
>>> days.  It will be up to you to solve the worlds
>>> problems.  With that in mind, let me leave you with a
>>> few thoughts.
>>> 
>>> As was previously said on this list (Rummy I think)
>>> you would have been successful with or with out
>>> whatever help you recieved with your education.  You
>>> would have succeeded without an education.  Talent and
>>> ability combined with ambition is nearly always
>>> rewarded.  It may have taken longer but you would
>>> still have achieved your goals.
>>> 
>>> As a victim of blatant reverse discrimination I have
>>> some pretty strong feelings about affirmative action.
>>> Frankly, I think its served whatever good purpose, if
>>> any, it can and is overdue to eliminated.
>>> 
>>> The following are all quoted from a Wall Street
>>> Journal letter titled "Wonder Land" by Daniel
>>> Henninger last January (sorry, I clipped the article
>>> but cut off the date, it was a Friday).
>>> "Three years ago in New York, the percentage of black
>>> students who did NOT graduate from high school was
>>> 54%.  In California, 41%. In Tennessee, 54% didn't
>>> graduate.  And in Wisconsin, which is thought of as a
>>> fairly normal place, the percentage of black kids who
>>> didn't make it out of high school in the class of 2000
>>> was a mind-boggling 59%....This data appears in
>>> Education Week's annual report, "Quality
>>> Counts"....What we know and have known for a very long
>>> time is that nearly half of America's black teenagers
>>> haven't a hope of attending even the least-known
>>> two-year community college anywhere.  What is the Rev.
>>> Jesse L. Jackson doing about this scandal?  He is
>>> calling Geooge W. Bush "the most anti-civil rights
>>> president in 50 years."  Given those shameful
>>> graduation rates, one wonders what the "pro-civil
>>> rights presidents were doing the past 50
>>> years.......It is remarkable how often the combatants
>>> in the debate over college affirmative-action default
>>> to the notion that nothing proves one's commitment to
>>> "diversity" more than one's willingness to adjust the
>>> entry requirements to a Harvard, Yale or Michigan.
>>> For instance, New Jersey Rep. Robert Menendez ripped
>>> into Mr. Bush last week over his legacy admission
>>> "into the Ivy League."  Yale?  The average black child
>>> attending high school in Newark, Camden, Paterson or
>>> Jersey City can barely hope of getting into, say,
>>> Rutgers......
>>> 
>>> The author's point, and mine, is that we have bigger
>>> problems to deal with in education than worry about a
>>> handful of super-achieving minorities who will make it
>>> just fine with or without affirmative action.  Just
>>> like you Stan.  Discrimination is wrong.  Changing it
>>> from one color to a different color doesn't make it
>>> any less wrong.
>>> 
>>> Brad Haslett
>>> --- General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>> Glad to see we are back to political bashing - I
>>>> agree with Brad, it
>>>> perks up the list.   I also agree with Brad that
>>>> Billy boy is smart.  IQ
>>>> is over 200.  Georgy boy's is under 100 .  I have
>>>> mixed feelings about
>>>> the affirmative action program since I would have
>>>> probably missed out if
>>>> this were in place in my day - but don't know why
>>>> George would be
>>>> against it since he got into Yale because of
>>>> Affirmative Action.
>>>> 
>>>> stan/gbi
>>>> 
>>>> brad haslett wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The whole Lewensky thing was good for
>>>> entertainment
>>>>> value if nothing else.  If the press had done
>>>> their
>>>>> job in the late 80's and early 90's voters would
>>>> have
>>>>> known what a sleazeball Billy Boy was with his
>>>> pants
>>>>> up, much less down.  At least the congressional
>>>>> elections of 1994 kept his big spending social
>>>>> programs in check.  Billy Boy IS a smart guy.  I
>>>> would
>>>> 
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